Western Standard - September 30, 2026


Happy Truth & Reconciliation Day! The Kamloops child burial issue is a hoax!

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Corey Morgan
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Justin Trudeau Dave Winnigan Donald Trump Reed Salmon Derek Fildebrandt Vivian Berkovich Thomas Lukasik Mark Carney Bylaw Bill Christy Oscar
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00:00:00.000 Good day, happy
00:00:30.000 truth and reconciliation day i'm sure you're all uh busy preparing for your annual tradition of a
00:00:36.980 truth and reconciliation day dinner with the family where you'll get together and bow your
00:00:42.380 heads in shame over the terrible things prior generations did to other prior generations
00:00:47.360 allegedly right or not i know for most of us it's just another bloody day those of us in the
00:00:52.940 private sector you know the real world we don't get this day off with pay but it was a nice paid
00:00:57.920 holiday created by our former prime minister justin trudeau who's prancing around with katie
00:01:04.020 perry these days whatever i'd rather he was there than in the house of commons any longer uh good
00:01:10.380 to see you guys checking in on the comments and uh i do appreciate that you know just reminds me
00:01:16.640 that there's really people on the other end of the camera i'm not just talking to myself like i often
00:01:20.120 do and uh be sure you know send comments or discuss things back and forth with each other
00:01:25.300 In a little while, I'm going to have a fellow on, a young man named Reed Salmon.
00:01:28.760 He's been doing great work, actually, going on to the reserves and rescuing animals in distress, which, you know, hey, I love it.
00:01:35.960 People who get off their butts and do something rather than just talk about it.
00:01:39.660 It's nice to see. It's refreshing. It should be a good conversation. 0.92
00:01:42.900 And, of course, his actions have upset the status quo people who just don't feel anything's changed and we should just leave dogs to suffer.
00:01:49.740 All right, let me talk a little more about this day.
00:01:53.440 The creation of National Day for Truth and Reconciliation is a federal statutory holiday.
00:01:58.820 As I said, it was one of Justin Trudeau's most cynical creations.
00:02:02.400 As the COVID-19 lockdowns wreaked social and economic havoc across the country,
00:02:06.780 Trudeau went on a virtue-signaling campaign in response to the false reports of children having been buried at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School site.
00:02:15.460 So Trudeau lowered the Canadian flags for an unprecedented six months,
00:02:18.460 and he put on an Oscar-worthy performance of contrition
00:02:21.240 while placing a teddy bear on the grave of a child at an established cemetery.
00:02:25.560 Then he capped it off with the creation of a new holiday.
00:02:28.240 Then Trudeau observed this newly created day by going out surfing.
00:02:32.980 You can't make this stuff up.
00:02:35.420 Reconciliation's an impossible goal, guys.
00:02:37.020 It's never going to come as lawyers, bureaucrats, and Indigenous chiefs 0.95
00:02:39.960 make far too much money maintaining this perpetual grievance industry. 0.63
00:02:43.800 While apologies and cash settlements continue to rise
00:02:47.260 The standard of living for Indigenous people living on reserves continues to decline 0.98
00:02:51.360 The disastrous reserve system is then used as an example
00:02:55.160 Why more reconciliation in the form of money and land given to the chiefs is required
00:02:58.900 And the governments continue to dole it out, rinse and repeat
00:03:02.180 The name of Trudeau's little holiday includes the word truth within it
00:03:06.540 But the day is about anything but
00:03:08.080 The holiday was created in response to the biggest hoax perpetuated in Canadian history
00:03:13.260 International news was made when the Kamloops First Nation issued a press release
00:03:17.920 falsely stating that a ground-penetrating radar survey had identified the remains of 215 children.
00:03:24.940 The world was horrified. Even I was horrified.
00:03:27.480 I never for a second thought somebody would falsely report the mass grave of murdered children at a school site.
00:03:32.940 But it didn't take long for it to become evident we'd been hoodwinked.
00:03:36.120 Most politicians and legacy media outlets were too cowardly to call it out, though.
00:03:39.720 Once it became evident, the graves were a hoax.
00:03:42.020 In fact, despite all the evidence pointing to a hoax, most of those aforementioned public figures and media outlets still won't acknowledge it.
00:03:49.220 The word truth is bandied about, but most of the efforts we see here are actually designed to cover it up.
00:03:53.960 The truth of the situation in Kamloops could literally be ascertained in a matter of hours.
00:03:58.100 They need only dig less than six feet.
00:04:00.400 The determinant of children are buried there.
00:04:02.640 In fact, the Indigenous band was given $12 million to do just that.
00:04:06.460 With millions of dollars and over five years to work on it, they still haven't moved a teaspoon of earth. 0.98
00:04:10.600 Why would they want to?
00:04:12.140 The myth has proven very lucrative to them.
00:04:14.140 I'm sure there are some very nice new cars for some selected members, though.
00:04:18.040 If indeed there was evidence of murdered children buried at the site,
00:04:20.540 the RCMP would conduct a forensic investigation and excavation.
00:04:24.480 Indian reserves aren't sovereign nations.
00:04:26.380 That's another mistruth about them. 1.00
00:04:27.940 And they can't hinder a murder investigation.
00:04:30.040 Otherwise, they could build quite a cottage industry for murderers
00:04:32.880 to bury victims within the reserve boundaries. 0.94
00:04:35.100 Considering the corruption around some of the Indigenous leadership, 0.55
00:04:38.480 I wouldn't put it beyond them.
00:04:39.480 the reason the rcmp won't move is because they know there's no bodies there's no historical
00:04:43.780 evidence of missing children at the school but the murders allegedly happening as recently as
00:04:48.560 the 60s why aren't any of the family members these murdered children speaking up when they want the
00:04:52.880 remains returned and properly interred the reason is there's no families because there's no bodies
00:04:58.660 did i mention this whole thing's a hoax indigenous activists and ndp members are trying to hide the
00:05:03.500 truth by criminalizing discussion of it they call it denialism as they try to compare the issue to
00:05:08.120 holocaust the thing is though the holocaust had elements that the kamloops incident doesn't those
00:05:13.320 elements are documentation witnesses and bodies millions of them as a matter of fact not a single
00:05:19.000 corpse has been found in kamloops not just because the band isn't looking for the bodies but because
00:05:23.400 there are none there i almost hope they pass a criminalizing discussion to this hoax and then
00:05:28.520 i'm charged under it in the process of discovery we could dig a hole or two in kamloops and if
00:05:33.480 If that's what it takes to find the truth, then let's get on with it.
00:05:36.500 I was berated for my insensitivity on social media for bringing up the hoax during last year's Truth and Reconciliation Day. 0.99
00:05:42.400 To those who may be offended by me bringing it up again today, I extend my most heartfelt invitation to kiss my ass. 0.97
00:05:48.140 I intend to use Trudeau's Little Holiday as a platform to call out the hoax every single year until somebody gets out a shovel and proves me wrong. 0.99
00:05:55.380 I'm following in the spirit of the holiday and pursuing the truth. 1.00
00:05:58.820 And again, kiss my ass. 1.00
00:06:00.460 All right. 1.00
00:06:01.980 So that's what I got to kick things off today.
00:06:03.900 How's it going?
00:06:04.420 I got Dave Winnigan with a news update.
00:06:06.300 Not too bad, Christy.
00:06:07.300 This is your favorite holiday, huh?
00:06:08.640 Oh, absolutely.
00:06:10.440 Unlike Justin Trudeau, at least I won't try to dress up in traditional garb and really make a mockery of it.
00:06:15.040 Oh, God, no.
00:06:15.960 I was watching CBC this morning.
00:06:17.240 The propaganda has been in full force.
00:06:18.720 One of those CBC reporters, I think he was in Ottawa, had a bunch of kids,
00:06:22.260 and they were playing a board game to teach them about truth and reconciliation. 1.00
00:06:25.740 Surprise, surprise, all the kids were only just white kids.
00:06:27.740 But it's just been propaganda all day long.
00:06:29.800 so far, Corey? Well, you know, I mean, there's what drives me mad is there are real serious
00:06:34.020 issues. There is real suffering on the reserves. There is a failing of the system. But instead,
00:06:39.360 we wrap ourselves around these ridiculous observances and denial of what's really going 0.81
00:06:44.240 on out there. And go on another rant. I observe it differently than others. I'm sticking to the 0.92
00:06:51.200 truth part. Fair enough. This one's actually right up your alley, too. Apparently, you saw that video
00:06:54.760 of the city of Calgary worker removing those late Alberta decide signs. Well, the city's gotten back
00:06:59.780 to us and said that they removed them by mistake
00:07:01.840 and later returned them, but let Alberta
00:07:03.700 decide and a bunch of other independence groups have been
00:07:05.820 saying that their signs have been getting taken down
00:07:07.840 but those No to the Nine signs and Pro Canada signs
00:07:10.000 haven't been getting taken down. Strangely, the mistake
00:07:12.020 only applied to one colour. Well, I was just
00:07:13.940 wondering if you have any experience with this, with all the signs
00:07:15.800 you have all around the province. You know, I haven't
00:07:17.880 had any with that. I mean, the selective thing
00:07:19.820 with
00:07:20.080 Town of Tabor, you know, when they went after my billboards
00:07:23.960 they allowed no issues when
00:07:25.740 Thomas Lukasik put his up.
00:07:27.980 That was interesting. By the way,
00:07:29.480 I've booked more ads.
00:07:30.660 There's going to be billboards and taber all the way to the end of the campaign
00:07:33.500 just to let them know so they can look forward to those.
00:07:35.440 Oh, nice.
00:07:35.880 But I haven't seen so blatant as the city of Calgary worker pulling an 8x4 out of the ground,
00:07:39.780 loading it in a truck, and, oh, my bad.
00:07:41.720 I didn't realize it.
00:07:42.900 I mean, city workers never do anything more than they have to without being told.
00:07:47.280 I mean, come on.
00:07:48.060 I was going to say, I'm maybe going to assume they're apologizing now because they got caught,
00:07:50.820 but who knows?
00:07:51.420 That's just my reading into it, quite possibly.
00:07:53.660 Yeah, it's quite a story anyway.
00:07:56.040 I saw another one as well.
00:07:57.100 So there was a flight from Dubai to Tel Aviv that had to make an emergency landing in Saudi Arabia
00:08:01.060 because apparently one of the pilots stabbed the other pilot and then tried to crash the plane.
00:08:05.700 But luckily, he got subdued by the passengers.
00:08:08.280 So that's kind of the new sort of almost terrorist attack in the Middle East today. 0.95
00:08:12.040 Yeah, I know.
00:08:12.680 And everybody's fighting over what that motivation was. 0.90
00:08:14.720 Yeah, the Israelis don't know yet, apparently.
00:08:16.080 They don't know. 1.00
00:08:16.840 I mean, it could be just a lone crackpot.
00:08:19.080 It could have been a man trying to do it for Allah. 0.94
00:08:21.260 Well, apparently one of them, I think the pilot, I think, came out was Omani.
00:08:23.940 And I think another one might have been from India or something.
00:08:26.900 And so I don't know exactly what the hell is with that. 1.00
00:08:28.800 Who knows?
00:08:29.360 It's just bizarre, but it's nightmare fuel.
00:08:31.040 I mean, could you imagine being on that plane?
00:08:32.200 Oh, yeah, and suddenly it's just...
00:08:33.460 No, man.
00:08:34.840 Yeah, I don't like turbulence at all.
00:08:36.700 Lose a good pair of pants, I'm sure, at the very least.
00:08:39.580 Either way, I'm glad that it was resolved with a plane crash.
00:08:42.200 Oh, 100%.
00:08:42.660 I don't know if you heard this one, but apparently Mark Carney is one of the favorites to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:08:47.700 Oh, yes.
00:08:48.100 And the Time Person of the Year.
00:08:49.380 And apparently they're saying the main reason is because of his feud with Donald Trump and standing up to Donald Trump,
00:08:53.920 which I don't understand how this works, because I think Donald Trump won the Time Person of the Year twice.
00:08:58.480 And obviously everyone he knows, he's been trying to go for the Nobel Prize for years.
00:09:01.500 So it would be kind of hilarious if Carney was to win it, because then it'll just piss off Trump more.
00:09:05.720 And then you know that he'll just so petty that the trade war will just go, boop.
00:09:08.560 Oh, yeah. I mean, that's the whole point of it. We're watching politics in action.
00:09:12.080 I mean, Carney has not accomplished much of anything, really, a lot of talk in a year and a half.
00:09:16.920 He did accomplish quite a turnaround for the Liberals, given that.
00:09:19.200 But, no, they just want it as an international middle finger to the orange man who they despise so much.
00:09:24.900 Oh, yeah, 100%.
00:09:26.640 And also, tomorrow is the big day.
00:09:29.100 We're going to find out if the West Coast Pipeline is going to be designated a project of the national interest.
00:09:34.140 I mean, nobody's really given anything away yet, but, I mean, obviously we all know the whole debacle around that.
00:09:39.500 What do you think is going to happen?
00:09:40.280 You think that it probably is going to be designated a project of national interest just because of what's happening in Alberta with the referendum coming up in that?
00:09:47.140 Yeah, they'll designate it as a project in the national interest.
00:09:50.400 Then they'll rag the puck and get court challenges and protesters and back off,
00:09:53.940 and the thing will never get built.
00:09:56.160 That's your perfect answer?
00:09:57.200 That's my prediction right now.
00:09:58.380 Yeah, I kind of think you might be right on that.
00:09:59.940 I'm hopeful because, you know, Carney keeps saying about,
00:10:01.800 oh, build Canada into an energy superpower, and the world wants our product.
00:10:04.740 They want our oil, want our gas.
00:10:06.440 Well, it gets back to, actually, it's good.
00:10:08.120 You know, you segue me into the theme for today.
00:10:10.480 Oh, did I?
00:10:10.920 Because Carney has kept saying he needs the consent of indigenous bands along the route.
00:10:15.120 Well, it's impossible.
00:10:15.620 Yeah, there's so many of them, too.
00:10:17.040 He's got to show courage and his constitutional authority to say,
00:10:21.880 look, we've consulted you, which is fair enough.
00:10:24.220 That's an obligation.
00:10:25.620 We're done with that.
00:10:26.660 This thing's going through.
00:10:28.340 Done deal.
00:10:29.580 But he won't say that.
00:10:30.440 As long as he won't say that, it's not getting done.
00:10:33.260 Yeah.
00:10:33.840 Trying to play both sides.
00:10:35.160 Maybe I'll be proven wrong.
00:10:36.060 It wouldn't be the first time, but I'm not holding a lot of optimism.
00:10:38.900 Yeah, no, exactly.
00:10:40.260 Well, that's all I had for the time being, Corey.
00:10:41.600 There's going to be a lot more coming up later because we still have all the
00:10:43.600 national truth and reconciliation ceremonies and whatnot.
00:10:46.140 There's going to be some good video coming out of this, I'm thinking.
00:10:48.820 Apparently, Wob Canoe is doing a speech, or maybe he is right now.
00:10:50.900 I don't know.
00:10:51.420 So I'm actually kind of interested to see what he has to say about a bunch of this.
00:10:55.080 He's a smart political player.
00:10:57.360 He seems to be from Manitoba.
00:10:59.100 Give him credit for that.
00:11:00.820 He's an NDP premier, and he's sinking them into bankruptcy.
00:11:04.540 But it's interesting to watch what he gets up to.
00:11:07.280 He knows how to play the retail politics.
00:11:08.660 Yeah.
00:11:09.300 He does a decent rap video occasionally back in the days.
00:11:11.520 That was something else.
00:11:13.240 Oh, thank God there are no videos of mine.
00:11:14.800 I didn't try rapping or anything, but there were a few, you know, efforts from my...
00:11:20.180 I was going to say, were you in a band or something back in the day?
00:11:21.860 No, I was just a promiscuous guy with a mullet who worked in the oil field.
00:11:25.720 Fair enough.
00:11:26.200 Yeah.
00:11:28.100 Whatever.
00:11:28.980 I'm waiting for the genetic testing to show a new child out there somewhere.
00:11:32.320 So far, so good.
00:11:33.620 That's hilarious.
00:11:34.560 Right on.
00:11:35.080 Okay, well, thank you.
00:11:35.960 I'll let you get back to the newsroom and appreciate the update.
00:11:39.160 I know you've got plenty to cover with...
00:11:40.780 We do.
00:11:41.200 The unfortunate primary day being under the weather today.
00:11:44.580 Yeah, yeah, food poisoning apparently, so that's three days in a row.
00:11:47.140 So he must be really sick if he misses three days.
00:11:48.860 Yeah, he hasn't been here since.
00:11:50.220 You think it was from the Flaming Pig that Derek had?
00:11:51.660 You know what?
00:11:52.180 It's funny that you mentioned that.
00:11:53.240 That was the first thing he said.
00:11:54.260 It wasn't.
00:11:54.640 He made a point of saying it wasn't from the pig in the text he sent me Monday morning.
00:11:58.020 Just for context, folks, our publisher, Derek Feldebrand, held an Oktoberfest pig roast.
00:12:03.020 Yeah, it was pretty good.
00:12:03.700 On Saturday we went.
00:12:04.340 It was pretty good.
00:12:04.740 It did catch fire, and there was a bunch of flames.
00:12:06.380 Yeah, yeah, I got some video of that.
00:12:07.420 It was the Flaming Pig, but I mean, the rest of us all ate it.
00:12:09.520 It was very good.
00:12:09.960 It was pretty good, yeah.
00:12:10.720 So it was a good event.
00:12:12.060 Yeah.
00:12:12.780 Well, good.
00:12:13.200 I'm glad that's not what laid out for Dave.
00:12:14.060 No, no.
00:12:14.400 It said something with his air fryer or something.
00:12:16.440 It was like chicken he took out and he forgot to clean out like the sauce or something.
00:12:19.260 He says maybe that caused it.
00:12:20.360 I don't know.
00:12:20.780 Yeah, you got to watch that poultry.
00:12:21.900 Well, I certainly hope he recovers soon.
00:12:23.860 Yeah, me too.
00:12:24.360 Nothing worse than something like that.
00:12:25.380 Oh, yeah.
00:12:26.060 All right.
00:12:26.500 Well, thanks again.
00:12:27.460 We will see you on the pipeline later.
00:12:29.200 Sounds like a plan.
00:12:29.940 Right on.
00:12:30.780 So, yes, as you can see from Dave sitting in for the other Dave.
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00:13:36.480 Quick update, I had some people asking too.
00:13:38.420 I'll talk a little more on that a little later.
00:13:40.200 But yes, I was in court on the Siksika Reserve all day yesterday.
00:13:43.180 We got lots of stuff for the First Nations themed stuff.
00:13:45.500 They charged me with trespassing for going out and shooting a video of the conditions in the housing situation out there.
00:13:52.540 They got $1.3 billion a few years ago and still apparently the houses are falling apart.
00:13:58.020 The garbage is all over the place.
00:13:59.580 They were pretty upset that I had exposed that and charged me with trespassing.
00:14:05.100 The case, the best way I could put it, went bizarrely.
00:14:08.680 It's not done.
00:14:10.280 My next court date on this thing is going to get into two or three years before it's ever finished.
00:14:16.300 The next court date's at the end of November.
00:14:18.300 But they did throw out my ability to make a charter challenge.
00:14:23.080 It was really strange.
00:14:24.040 Even the prosecution seemed to be taken aback.
00:14:26.020 But Justice Crowshoe, who is the judge assigned to this little judicial farce we're taking part in,
00:14:32.900 doesn't appear to be too receptive on hearing a defense.
00:14:36.220 But the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms
00:14:38.220 has certainly been helping me out,
00:14:39.360 and we will take this as far up the court ladder as we must.
00:14:43.040 So if we go to a justice beyond Madam Crowshoe,
00:14:46.720 I suspect some of the rulings might be different.
00:14:48.820 One of the things I documented on the reserve while I was out there,
00:14:51.480 I wanted to point out to people,
00:14:52.580 because people don't go on the reserves and they often don't see it,
00:14:54.900 are the feral and wild dogs.
00:14:57.040 I got a video of that and talked about that.
00:15:00.420 And my guest is going to talk much more about that.
00:15:02.640 his name is reed salmon and he's been getting on the ground as i said at the start and i really
00:15:05.920 appreciate that people who don't just talk about things they get up and do stuff and he's been
00:15:10.700 making effort to try and change things to help that situation on alberta reserves so let's bring
00:15:15.600 him in and have a conversation about that hello reed thank you very much for coming in to join
00:15:20.840 us today thanks for having me cory so i guess i'll leave it to you to kind of introduce it you
00:15:26.500 know in a nutshell what have you been up to what is it uh you know that you're trying to do to help
00:15:31.980 the feral dog populations? Well, number one, bringing awareness to it. That is the biggest
00:15:39.780 thing for me because in 2022 is when I actually became aware of how severe it was. And it didn't
00:15:46.620 take me long to find out why people don't know about it. And that's because, like I was just
00:15:51.220 listening to you say, everybody's afraid to expose it because of the backlash that they're going to
00:15:55.420 get right and um after doing a fundraiser in 2022 i uh i dropped the check off at a local animal
00:16:03.340 shelter here in central alberta and they were telling me stories they brought a dog out to me
00:16:09.000 to get a photo with and the dog was missing a leg it had a freshly amputated leg and had a
00:16:14.520 road rash and i said oh no like what happened to her and just kind of thinking you know like maybe
00:16:19.700 an accident or a dog fight or something and i had no idea where this dog came from and they told me
00:16:24.680 uh they said where do you think and i said i have no idea is this a true question i have no idea
00:16:30.120 it's all came from masco cheese which is a local reserve just north of the north and uh and i was
00:16:36.420 in shock i was i felt like this little kid who just kind of had his dreams crushed and they said
00:16:41.380 this this stuff happens all the time like you didn't know and i'm like no i didn't and i was
00:16:44.940 mad that i didn't know and i was wondering why i didn't know i grew up here like how did i not
00:16:48.860 know this and well it's because everybody's afraid to face the backlash that we get
00:16:53.700 yeah and and again part of why as we said with the video i did was just most people if they don't
00:17:00.440 have a reason to they don't go on to a first nations reserve uh it's you know if you don't
00:17:04.360 have a purpose to go there you typically don't go so you don't understand and see what's there
00:17:08.340 like this has been an issue i was talking to dave uh the former fella who was on here our new
00:17:13.080 one of our news guys uh about what he used to see in morley like these feral dogs are an issue on
00:17:20.800 every reserve and they have been for decades and decades uh but now the problem is kind of going
00:17:25.680 underground because they're they're kind of locking people out and it's unfortunate these
00:17:29.660 animals are suffering terribly so what have you been doing to kind of bring attention to that i
00:17:33.680 know you've stirred some folks up i have yes i um uh in 2024 so like you said people don't usually
00:17:40.360 you know they don't take vacations to the reserves and they don't usually take the the alternate route
00:17:45.040 to go through them and that's that's the thing right and that's why i i decided one day i was
00:17:50.720 going to make a decision to bring light to this no matter what backlash i face because i i just
00:17:55.220 know it's the right thing to do and you know i'm not looking to um shame people that grew up in
00:18:00.700 this environment and uh you know were dealt shitty cards it's it's more to shame the leadership for
00:18:06.140 allowing it to continue for shaming to shame the government for not intervening when they should
00:18:10.760 and because they know it's happening of course they do right and the problem is too on the on
00:18:16.360 the systemic issues that these communities face the dogs are at the very bottom of the totem pole
00:18:21.040 right like you say the housing conditions and and the people they're always going to come first so
00:18:25.940 the dogs they're just a pawn on the chest table and for what i've been doing it started in january
00:18:32.080 2024 i was laying on my couch in my condo when i was living in innisfil and it was minus 50 we had
00:18:39.020 that minus 50 cold snap in january there and uh my truck wouldn't start i was laying on the couch
00:18:45.540 watching tv and uh i couldn't stop thinking about those dogs i couldn't stop thinking about
00:18:50.280 how pain the pain they must be in right and and at this time um this was the this was the big
00:18:56.400 shift for me at this time i had this idea in my head that res dogs because i always heard the
00:19:01.180 term res dog and i just assumed that it meant stray dog i thought it meant you know a wild dog
00:19:05.900 which i hate that term now feral dog is what they are they're not wild because wild dogs can survive
00:19:10.360 in the wild these ones can't um but i i started a fundraiser on on my facebook platform before i
00:19:17.340 had any sort of following and uh i just said you know like i i'm a country kid i know that
00:19:23.380 straw bales is what we use to keep any animals warm um you know um horses sheep goats whatever
00:19:29.600 and i uh you know i'm like i'm gonna i'm gonna find a straw bale hookup and we're gonna
00:19:35.300 we're going to go buy some bales and i didn't know how many we were going to get i didn't know
00:19:38.380 how much money we were going to raise but we did end up doing um nine thousand dollars in three
00:19:42.320 days and i think we purchased around uh over two thousand bales that we dispersed between
00:19:46.820 uh four communities in central alberta that would be ochis sunchild masca cheese and morley as you
00:19:52.800 were talking about before that there was the first time that i actually stepped foot on the reserve
00:19:57.180 um without just driving through my vehicle i actually got to see it firsthand so i got brought
00:20:02.140 out by a person who reached out to me and said who who granted you access to these communities
00:20:07.160 i said nobody i'm going either way and uh she said well no worries we'll grant you access this
00:20:13.540 was a former rescue friend that i had that uh we're no longer associated and um she brought me
00:20:20.740 out and i i had this image in my head that we would be in the field building these straw huts
00:20:26.780 for these stray dogs that's just what i pictured and i i followed her to a house and she gets out
00:20:32.360 she goes up to knock on the door and i can see that there's a dog chained up outside with no
00:20:36.620 shelter no food no water freezing alternating paws because his paws are freezing off and i said what
00:20:42.700 the what the hell are we doing here and she said well we're just asking permission to see if we can
00:20:46.220 build a hut for their dog and i'm like this dog has a house this dog has a home and that's where
00:20:51.280 everything changed. I looked around, and what I thought was smoke and mirrors. It was not
00:20:55.900 just a stray crisis. That's only 30% of the problem. It is the treatment of the animals
00:21:01.820 that are owned by people in these communities, and that's what people need to understand. That's
00:21:05.700 what they need to see, and I don't see anybody else exposing that.
00:21:09.920 No, and it's horrifying to see. I worked in the field for 20 years, and I worked on a lot of
00:21:15.220 reserves in the past, and that's part of why I know how they are, and that's why I wanted it.
00:21:18.840 as you're doing this first step is to let people know because they just don't realize and there's
00:21:23.980 there's like a few levels of where the dogs are in difficulty one as you said is where they're
00:21:27.920 restrained and they're chained at some households and again i mean both we're both clear that some
00:21:32.380 households take great care of their animals like anybody else but it's much more on the reserve
00:21:37.540 where there's a problem than others then there's the ones that are associated with the home but
00:21:40.800 they're not chained or restrained in any sort of way and they run semi-feral they're unfixed that's
00:21:47.380 part of a large part of the problem and then more puppies come then often some of those puppies
00:21:52.100 might survive well they don't want to raise more dogs those ones end up going out being totally
00:21:57.280 feral and they can become dangerous it's a hamster wheel it's a hamster wheel we did have a girl uh
00:22:03.080 lose her life earlier this year a rescue girl in manitoba i didn't know her personally but a lot of
00:22:07.620 mutual friends between us and yeah she she got mauled so it's a real problem yeah these are
00:22:13.200 desperate dangerous dogs i wrote a piece recently on it with a number of issues just in the last
00:22:17.000 five years with often children killed by packs of feral dogs because they're on the reserves
00:22:21.660 they're out of control uh there's so many levels of how terrible this is i know there's been efforts
00:22:29.600 over the years though they quietly do it because nobody wants to assign responsibility there's
00:22:33.660 been rescue societies i know in the sutina reserve there's been free uh vet clinic that's mobile
00:22:39.020 that'll go out there and we'll fix the animals for them if people want to bring them in and they'll
00:22:43.400 have like a mobile problem it's if they want to yes accountability is gone and the participation
00:22:50.020 has been low so you have rescued some dogs now i've seen some of the backlash from some people
00:22:56.920 they're accusing you of stealing dogs uh when it's a dog that's suffering and being abused i
00:23:02.320 don't see that as theft i see that as a human intervention but uh you you're going to be in
00:23:08.900 getting in some some problems pretty soon you know it's funny i um i have police officers in
00:23:15.640 my back pocket who commend what i do and they would never say it publicly obviously for the
00:23:20.800 sole fact that they're going to get back up their backlash and you know potentially lose their job
00:23:25.240 and i also know police officers who work on reserves who have been um penalized for rescuing
00:23:32.160 animals on the job as well because uh apparently that's not what they're supposed to do but if you
00:23:36.840 if you look up the criminal code of canada the animal welfare laws laws the ones that
00:23:41.220 are um stated in the indian act section 88 it actually is their job and they are the only ones
00:23:46.500 with jurisdiction to do anything um so yeah i have uh i have said that i it's more of a joke
00:23:54.240 you know people say we steal his dog i say yep stole a dog today right save them without permission
00:23:58.860 because um in my eyes and i guess i don't know how you do it but um for me it's i'm looking at
00:24:05.720 a child that's suffering right they're as vulnerable as a child for me i'm not asking
00:24:10.980 permission to sleep and i will happily i will happily take the fine the the consequences if
00:24:17.960 there were any it would be ridiculous if there was i've never i have never taken an animal that has
00:24:24.380 been formally taken care of that and i wouldn't and i understand the difference between a free
00:24:29.720 roaming dog that is taken care of i totally i'm not running around taking dogs with collars that
00:24:34.780 in good shape and have good lives because you know what those dogs are going to end up hating
00:24:38.140 their lives because they just lost their freedom a lot of these dogs that we bring in they are feral
00:24:42.620 and they are the ones that can't be um they can't be changed no i mean that's another issue for
00:24:50.740 rehabilitation and trying to home dogs if they've been out too long sometimes they they just end up
00:24:56.220 destroyed unfortunately anyways because you can't bring them into a regular household but it's worth
00:25:00.500 a try uh the the ones that the other ones as you said i mean there's enough to deal with already
00:25:05.640 you're not going to go out picking up dogs that are living perfectly fine it's you can barely
00:25:10.280 keep up with the ones that are suffering right now exactly exactly and a good example of that
00:25:14.960 right now currently there's a dog on the saddle lake reserve um i'm sure you probably know where
00:25:19.480 that is just outside of edmonton there's a dog that was sent to us with a leg that um is missing
00:25:26.400 it wasn't amputated i don't know what happened a snare or a trap or another dog i really don't
00:25:31.420 know but you can see that it is festering and probably getting infected and we we reached out
00:25:39.180 a couple times people on my behalf to take the dog in and we've been to collect that is that is
00:25:45.360 an example of a dog that i would take if i was sitting there yeah and it extends beyond that and
00:25:51.620 i know there's only so much you can do but i know there's horse rescues too because there's a whole
00:25:55.780 lot of problems unfortunately with with horses and livestock on the reserves as well i mean the
00:26:01.000 issue is much larger i i see the dogs the horses the suffering the abuse as a symptom again of a
00:26:07.020 bigger broken system it's not saying you don't care about the people in the state that they're
00:26:11.760 in in fact the state that the people are in is what's leading to the dog suffering as well
00:26:15.640 it all ties together it does it absolutely does and it is a systemic crisis and there's no doubt
00:26:21.740 about that and it's it's weird i think it's kind of like a culture it is a culture shock when you
00:26:27.480 go see this especially when it's right there in your backyard you know morally uh mascot cheese
00:26:32.220 oh cheese these ones that are only a drop like a 45 minute drive from town or even less sometimes
00:26:37.820 and one of the biggest excuses that we hear is the lack of funding and resources well that only
00:26:44.980 that only works as an excuse for the ones that are you know in northern saskatchewan the fly-in
00:26:49.520 communities northern alberta the ones that literally don't have access to those things and
00:26:53.680 if you ask me i have a quick solution to that problem and it's let's get the animals out
00:26:57.680 if we can't take care of them and we can't feed them and we can't provide them with the necessities
00:27:02.780 that they require then let's get them out that's a pretty easy solution to me and then the ones
00:27:08.000 that are close to like my mother lives uh 35 minutes into the country from the nearest victim
00:27:12.580 but she has seven dogs.
00:27:14.560 That excuse doesn't pass.
00:27:17.400 No.
00:27:20.020 I'm not in a terribly isolated area, but I live in a rural area,
00:27:23.900 and I've gone through, well, we rescue a lot of dogs.
00:27:25.960 It's a pet subject for me.
00:27:27.360 I don't go on to the reserves to get them,
00:27:28.640 but we always get ours from animal rescues,
00:27:30.740 and they often did originate on reserves.
00:27:33.280 But we can't keep up.
00:27:34.780 And just kind of as we wrap up, moving towards the solution base,
00:27:39.120 You held a great event over on the legislature in Edmonton recently.
00:27:43.420 Again, there was an Indigenous group protesting you for whatever reason.
00:27:48.820 But where do you think we should go to try and find a solution? 1.00
00:27:52.080 Because, I mean, you know, they're animals.
00:27:54.180 They can breed.
00:27:54.980 And if we don't get to the root of it, it's still just going to be a perpetual thing.
00:27:58.540 At the end of the day, for me, a lot of people get kind of bottlenecked in the stay-neuter idea.
00:28:03.580 You know, like, let's end the strait crisis, stay-neuter, stay-neuter.
00:28:05.760 but that's only targeting one part of the problem not to mention i would never offer a free spay
00:28:12.220 neuter clinic without a contract from the band saying that they're going to follow up with laws
00:28:17.580 and enforcement of those laws that already exist right um i have a friend in northern saskatchewan
00:28:23.780 it took them six months to uh remove every stray from one community they came back in a year it
00:28:29.180 was back to the same and that is because everybody wants a puppy and then when the puppy uh starts
00:28:34.160 shitting and pissing in the house it gets kicked out the door and that's where it gets to fend
00:28:38.040 for itself that's just the truth oh yeah no it turns impractical and then uh the the thrill 0.70
00:28:44.500 wears off and the dog gets neglected or or totally abandoned it's awful and i mean it's part of a
00:28:50.060 larger social issue but i mean i'm glad you're working on it and you're bringing attention to
00:28:53.780 it and doing the things you can for the ones you can find where can people find what you're up to
00:28:58.220 and support your work facebook is probably the best place facebook and instagram those two pages
00:29:04.220 have been turned from a music platform into an animal advocacy platform and uh right now we are
00:29:10.240 in the midst of launching our second organization which will be tied into reed salmon foundation the
00:29:15.160 one that i originally started i originally started it just because i wanted to raise money
00:29:18.580 um for these initiatives i didn't know that i was going to become engulfed so now that i am i've
00:29:24.460 created a more sustainable model it's called the bleeding heart animal society and we'll be
00:29:29.620 releasing it here hopefully in the next week excellent i'm really looking forward to that
00:29:33.600 be sure to let me know when that's live and you know certainly uh share it out to folks it takes
00:29:38.340 a while to get things like that going i guess before i let you go one more thing yeah as you
00:29:41.940 mentioned you're also a musician uh you perform in alberta i do yes that's right i am i'm not sure
00:29:47.260 if you've heard uh sweet home alberta you've heard that song but it is uh it is i okay
00:29:52.700 i was uh i was a political commentator before yeah no i understand things cross over and such
00:30:01.700 well i really appreciate you taking some time to talk to us today and the work you're doing
00:30:06.700 on the ground as i said and hey there's there's room for people who just talk about issues or
00:30:10.480 write about issues but getting up and getting out there too just to to to do something about it is
00:30:16.260 is above and beyond what most people do and hopefully inspires more people to
00:30:19.920 get up and get moving on some things. So, uh, thank you again.
00:30:22.760 And I hope that, uh, next foundation takes right off for you.
00:30:25.540 Thanks, Corey. I appreciate it.
00:30:26.900 Great. Thank you. So one more time, guys, you can find him. Yeah.
00:30:30.160 And he's prolific very much. If you're on, you know, uh, Facebook and Instagram,
00:30:33.700 just look up Reed salmon, as you can see on the screen, R E E D, uh,
00:30:37.880 salmon as the, as you would hear with the fish, I've got a son named Reed,
00:30:40.960 but his is spelled a little differently. So just remember that R E E D and you
00:30:45.340 can find him and you know it surprised me i watched the video of the event he held up on
00:30:51.100 the legislature steps a lot of great people came out some good speakers and so on and he invited
00:30:55.400 other people to come up to the microphone and and uh speak who were were protesting against his work
00:31:00.500 and such and fair enough but it just keeps coming back to people ranting about colonialism ranting
00:31:07.500 about uh other odd things and it's just masking this the issue that was on hand at that day and
00:31:16.820 that's the suffering of the dogs uh you know we just don't want that to happen any longer
00:31:22.020 and we've got to look at it look as i said in my monologue and as i i said when we're talking
00:31:27.440 about the other things first nations reserves are not above the law they are not actually
00:31:33.860 sovereign nations no matter what they like to try and call themselves they are not in fact their
00:31:38.240 racially based dependencies is what they are and that's part of what's led to the 0.98
00:31:42.600 awful dysfunction and mess that's going on on on the majority of them
00:31:47.020 i've heard those debates when it comes to the kamloops thing where they say well they can't dig
00:31:52.600 because again it's the first nations it's their sovereign territory the rcmp has no jurisdiction
00:31:57.080 there that's absolutely untrue they are still within canada they're still under our laws and
00:32:04.500 that includes animal neglect and abuse laws but and there's the big but uh police officers and
00:32:13.100 agencies would rather chew off their own legs than go on to the reserves and deal with it
00:32:18.040 not that they're not sympathetic but the the repercussions of dealing with anything on the
00:32:24.200 reserves is brutal. You know, as we see with Reed's just trying to rescue animals, and he's got an
00:32:31.960 opposition group coming after him. And the excuses come hard and heavy. You know, they talk about
00:32:37.700 too, well, it's different. It's a culturally different thing. You know, res dogs, they're
00:32:41.580 part of our culture and the way things are supposed to be. Look, you know what? I'm tired
00:32:45.000 of cultural relativism. Not all cultural practices are equal. Not all cultural practices need to be
00:32:52.340 maintained. Not all cultural practices need to be respected. Some of them have to evolve to get in
00:32:58.840 touch with the modern times. And I don't even know if poor treatment of animals is a traditional
00:33:05.080 culture. I don't think it is. I think it's unfortunately something that's turned into
00:33:08.740 a contemporary culture for the people on the reserves because, again, they're in such terrible
00:33:13.280 condition due to the whole reserve system as it is. But there's somewhat of an irony to it.
00:33:18.700 You know, people get more sometimes, I guess, upset or active when an animal is being abused than sometimes when a person is.
00:33:29.080 I think it's the fact that it's the helplessness.
00:33:31.960 When an animal's abused, they really, you know, are at a terrible disadvantage when they're being abused or neglected by a human being.
00:33:39.120 Because, you know, we have all the advantages.
00:33:40.760 We're larger, we're smarter, we're able to abuse.
00:33:43.740 Same thing when people get upset when a child is abused or a senior citizen.
00:33:46.980 You know, they don't like to see any abuse, but when it's something that really can't help itself, it's awful to see.
00:33:53.820 I put a video up a while back on my own page on just somebody who'd caught a clip of a gentleman who was screaming at people who were giving out signs for the independence movement.
00:34:05.780 Now, we get that regularly, and those clips take off a bit.
00:34:08.560 But in this case, the man with his temper and he had a dog with him jerked that poor thing right off its feet by its neck with the collar and stomped away.
00:34:17.100 Well, I put that clip up there.
00:34:18.260 That clip had hundreds of thousands of views.
00:34:20.120 Why?
00:34:20.980 Well, because yelling at people will get some people worked up, but somebody abusing a dog gets people worked up really fast.
00:34:28.880 And there's much more abuse and far worse than a man who lost his temper and jerked his dog by the neck,
00:34:33.580 which I really hope the man just had a moment of bad judgment and that he does care for and love that dog.
00:34:38.560 but we're talking thousands of dogs suffering on these reserves and they're suffering right now
00:34:45.340 as we're talking there's dogs in terrible shape and we got to look at how on earth to deal with
00:34:52.800 it reads starting the process and and more so than with other animal rescue societies that have been
00:34:58.360 doing a lot of work on it already which is great as i said the ones we rescued they're of crazed
00:35:02.840 mixed breeds we don't know where they came from or what the whole history of them was
00:35:06.760 but they predominantly came from reserves you know overpopulation of animals was an issue
00:35:14.560 outside of reserves a couple of generations ago as well cats were running stray in alleys that
00:35:21.500 was well known they'd be culled dogs running stray so on that's why we had so many dog catchers and
00:35:27.200 things like that for trying to get people to restrain them the north american culture changed
00:35:31.920 they took it on as a piece of personal responsibility if you're going to own animals
00:35:36.360 you have moral obligations to care for the animals and keep them well and there's legal obligations
00:35:43.360 so if you are not properly caring for your animal if you are not you know keeping it under control
00:35:51.080 you could have legal repercussions against you and hey to be fair there's been dogs have been
00:35:57.400 run loose outside there's people who abuse animals outside the reserve too but we're talking the whole
00:36:01.440 volume of it in comparison doesn't it pales with what's going on out there and we've got to expose
00:36:09.060 it because until we do there's going to be more suffering if you want to see it i don't know they
00:36:13.820 probably called them since but there'll be more coming back if you go to the casino halfway to
00:36:17.800 banff on the stony reserve and they've got the casino and the gas station the convenience store
00:36:22.960 all the stuff they open up there there's a whole bunch of dogs hanging around there scrap hounding
00:36:26.940 off of people it's a pure example right there because they've just they're desperate dogs
00:36:30.420 they found that they can get some food and hot dogs or whatever from tourists that come by
00:36:34.240 but it's dangerous these are dogs that are running loose it's going to get cold the tourist trade is
00:36:41.600 going to go down and those dogs are going to suffer badly and some people try to intervene
00:36:46.940 there and guess what the reserve got very worked up so don't you dare intervene that's our job well 0.98
00:36:50.580 then do it do your damn job you know the reserves have bylaws i know about it i've been charged 0.97
00:36:57.420 under a couple of them. But they don't want to charge their own people, I guess, when they're 0.99
00:37:02.280 doing such things. Like, let's get real with this. Let's address this. Again, I mean, I care for the
00:37:09.360 people on the reserves too. As I said, I think the suffering of the animals is a symptom of the
00:37:18.780 suffering of the people already in there. And, you know, we want to fix the whole thing. But if we
00:37:26.720 can start with some of those dogs, the horses, and other things on the reserves. Let's get on
00:37:31.660 with it. Part of it is a complete lack of personal responsibility. You know, it gets back to what I
00:37:37.140 talked about. This is endless society of grievance we've created. The sense of victimhood. Anything
00:37:42.740 and everything that ever goes wrong in your life is somebody else's fault. You know what? You'll
00:37:45.740 never live well when you got that kind of attitude among you. And that was put upon the people on
00:37:51.080 the reserves. And I've talked about that before too. This isn't a matter of the race. Any race
00:37:56.660 raised that way, raised on a separated enclave based on race and then put into a cycle of
00:38:05.060 dependency where you're surrounded by substance abuse, where you have limited employment
00:38:09.360 opportunities when you're in housing that you don't own. All of these factors that combine
00:38:14.480 is going to be messed up. It doesn't matter if it's an Indigenous person raised like that 1.00
00:38:20.540 or a white person or an Asian person, 0.95
00:38:23.340 they will come out of it dysfunctional in that system. 0.89
00:38:26.700 And now it's coming down to the animals as well.
00:38:29.040 And I don't care what a person's motivation is to change things.
00:38:31.900 If the suffering of the people wasn't enough,
00:38:34.200 then if the suffering of the dogs helps,
00:38:37.100 then sure, let's bring more attention to it,
00:38:39.920 to the whole thing.
00:38:42.040 I saw that example.
00:38:43.560 I wrote that in my column a little while ago.
00:38:44.920 It drove me mad.
00:38:45.700 It was years ago when on the Sutina Reserve
00:38:49.960 next to Calgary. Some feral dogs had been harassing people trying to fish on Fish Creek,
00:38:55.360 which bounds on the reserve. And the bylaw, the chief bylaw officer in Calgary, they called him
00:39:01.200 Bylaw Bill, outright said this was due to Calgarians dumping their unwanted dogs on the reserve.
00:39:07.800 That was 100% of a lie. That was a shift of where the responsibility lands that was damaging,
00:39:13.600 disingenuous and completely irresponsible and it really pissed me off i mean it's not saying you
00:39:20.680 got to get up there and yell at the people living on the reserve and such but let's be real about
00:39:24.980 what happened why are there not feral dog populations around the north east and south
00:39:29.840 parts of the city then why is it only on the reserve why was it that i got chased by a group
00:39:34.860 of feral dogs in onion lake up north of lloydminster when i was a surveyor 15 years ago
00:39:40.400 The people weren't driving six hours to get up there and abandon their dogs, guys.
00:39:45.740 These were a domestic local issue.
00:39:49.040 And if you don't even attribute, as a person who was in a senior position in sort of a form of almost bureaucratic law enforcement,
00:39:55.880 to try and lay the blame on the neighboring city rather than point to where the real problem is,
00:40:01.680 how the hell are we ever going to get to the solution of it?
00:40:04.040 What cowardice on his part?
00:40:05.580 and again drives home to the people saying it's never the fault of the people living on the
00:40:10.700 reserve that adds to that dysfunction it adds to that that life outlook that leads them into a
00:40:19.480 cycle of defeat and misery it's it's it's just not good either way yeah that gets on to other
00:40:28.800 things as i said you know with my own trial that's going on with uh uh them disallowing the
00:40:34.180 the charter defense. It's just strange. And it'll be going on. As I said, my next trial date's
00:40:40.300 November 27th. We pretty much anticipate I'm going to be convicted. And we'll take it up to
00:40:45.900 another level of court. And because it's absurd, and it's ridiculous, and with a proper judge, 0.87
00:40:49.500 that'll be chucked out. But it's going to take a long time. It's been a year and a half since I 0.71
00:40:54.080 shot that video. And let's not beat around the bush. Why is the band so bound and determined
00:41:01.060 to come after me. What harm did I do right in this alleged trespass by driving on a public highway
00:41:08.440 on the reserve? I didn't do any harm with that. What they don't like is the video I shot.
00:41:16.100 They don't like that I exposed the conditions there and including dogs in that video. So they
00:41:23.880 want to make an example of me. They want to make sure that nobody else goes out to see what's going
00:41:28.340 on in there. Totally a responsibility. They should be prioritizing things on their own reserve
00:41:35.460 instead of trying to cover it up and hide it. But again, this is the attitude we've created.
00:41:40.620 There's also a lot of corruption on a number of reserves. I don't know. I ask questions they don't
00:41:46.780 want to hear about. A reserve that got $1.3 billion, yet looks like a chunk of Mexico when
00:41:51.760 you drive on it. Where'd the money go? Why does it look so rough? Why are they living in squalor?
00:41:57.220 why can't you pick up the garbage why can't you contain your dogs when you have all that money
00:42:02.260 all that shows is money obviously isn't the solution is it something much bigger but if we
00:42:09.200 can't enter those reserves if everybody who goes on there gets trespassing charges for even daring
00:42:15.320 to expose these issues how the hell are we ever going to fix them for the people or the animals
00:42:21.320 this is scary it really is they're building walls around these places
00:42:26.640 how bad is the misery going to get within the reserves if we aren't even allowed to see what's
00:42:34.140 happening on them one of the other issues yesterday i'm not allowed to talk about the
00:42:37.660 details there was a publication ban because it involved minors but i was in the courthouse
00:42:41.100 and i tell you what some of the stuff that goes through the courts the crime things unimaginable
00:42:49.120 stuff that happens on those reserves because of that dysfunction and the way people are living
00:42:54.460 it's it's just brutal so either way again i i'm thankful for some of the people who'll get up
00:42:59.720 i fear that uh mr salmon's probably going to be facing some time in the courts if he's not
00:43:04.780 careful soon with trespassing and other crap like that that's part of why i'm pushing on this too
00:43:09.240 it's not just for me but we can't let that precedent set that nobody else can get on there
00:43:16.020 and witness or report on what's happening out there
00:43:19.580 because it's only going to make things so much worse, so much worse.
00:43:24.860 All right, I want to go on to something a little light
00:43:26.680 as we get in the last couple of minutes of the show.
00:43:28.060 We might as well light and dark at the same time.
00:43:30.020 As people saw with that airline issue, we don't know the motivation.
00:43:33.160 It was bizarre.
00:43:33.820 A couple of pilots fighting, one stabbing the other on an airline
00:43:37.900 heading to Israel from Qatar.
00:43:41.260 I don't know if it was terrorist motivated or just a nutcase or whatever and so on.
00:43:45.180 Lots of people are speculating.
00:43:46.740 But the craziness of the fact that passengers got in, intervened, took both of the pilots out of there.
00:43:52.820 And it turned out there were pilots on board who were able to land that plane.
00:43:57.860 And then Vivian Bercovici, who is a fantastic woman, she actually hosted Dave, myself.
00:44:05.580 She was a former ambassador to Israel.
00:44:08.120 When I was over in Israel, we dropped by her place.
00:44:09.960 She's just a great gal to chat with and everything and has a brilliant sense of humor.
00:44:14.100 but she did point out something playing into uh stereotypes i'm allowed to play into those ones
00:44:19.120 either way she says overall the probability that a plane full of israelis will contain
00:44:22.900 a trained assault team two additional pilots and statistically at least one cardiac surgeon
00:44:27.480 psychologist lawyer and diamond dealer is substantially higher than 50 i mean yes pretty
00:44:34.040 much when you have the magic combination if you're going to have a plane where everything
00:44:37.360 is going to go nuts and you're going to need uh an assault team intervention on somebody you're
00:44:42.380 going to need doctors to fix somebody, and you're going to need pilots to land that thing, you're 1.00
00:44:47.520 probably best off on a plane full of Israelis. If you're a plane taking off from northern Pakistan, 1.00
00:44:54.820 you probably just want to make your peace with God as you make your way towards the ground. 0.90
00:44:59.080 Maybe you'll get some good food on the way down. But it just was a funny way to phrase it and so
00:45:03.900 on with, you know, playing with demographic realities of where some of the Jewish population
00:45:09.300 lands and with some of the others all right guys thank you all for tuning in today uh happy
00:45:15.760 truth and reconciliation day i think we exposed a great number of truths and hopefully one day it
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