Western Standard - November 07, 2023


Improving food security for Albertans


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00:00:00.000 people. Indigenous people share a sacred relationship with the land and this land
00:00:06.720 acknowledgement is our first jump in learning about and respecting history as well as action
00:00:13.520 towards reconciliation. This morning when I came down to reception as you know how the rumor mill
00:00:20.680 happens when my volunteers said oh what time is the prime minister arriving this morning?
00:00:27.200 So I have some very wonderful guests that are going to join us today, not the Prime Minister,
00:00:32.800 but equally important people in our community. We're honored to have the Minister of
00:00:39.120 Seniors, Community and Social Services, Jason Nixon joining us, as well as I'm also pleased to
00:00:46.080 have my good friend Shauna Bissell from Foodbanks Alberta and the CEO of Calgary Foodbank, Melissa
00:00:53.920 from. We do our work in our community because the support of donors and
00:00:58.520 volunteers. We do our work can by can and dollar by dollar. We appreciate the
00:01:04.300 support from the Alberta government as we provide our important services in the
00:01:08.500 community. Edmonton's Food Bank is a central warehouse that collects and
00:01:12.880 redistributes food to over 300 schools, soup kitchens, shelters, food depots and
00:01:18.600 community groups. In August we serve 37,400 people through our hamper programs
00:01:25.260 alone, which is a record high for our organization. We have 67 depots located
00:01:31.640 throughout Edmonton where people access hamper programs. While we're
00:01:37.200 best known about our work with hamper programs or hamper recipients, we
00:01:42.420 We offer a number of services in our community.
00:01:46.660 We offer food to shelters like Hope Mission and Hope Mission comes into our organization
00:01:52.720 up to three times a day picking up food for their programs.
00:01:57.680 We also have a Beyond Food program which helps people with everything from resume writing
00:02:02.980 to free safety tickets as well as other helping services in the community.
00:02:09.840 food bank clients because all of this is really about helping people in our
00:02:13.620 community. Elena is a mother of two who has arrived from the Ukraine ten months
00:02:19.100 ago. Her husband remains in the Ukraine. People have been very kind to her and
00:02:24.540 she appreciates everyone's help and support. She works full-time and pays
00:02:29.460 full market rent. From time to time she has difficulty paying her expenses and
00:02:35.520 and will turn to the food bank.
00:02:38.320 Another client is Peter and his wife who've gone through some difficult times.
00:02:43.120 They have separated and he has custody of their three children.
00:02:46.920 Two are in school and one is preschool.
00:02:49.420 He's challenged with paying credit card bills and child care.
00:02:52.920 From time to time, he turns to the food bank to help with those transitions.
00:02:59.520 As you all know, I could talk forever about the work of Edmonton's food bank,
00:03:03.220 but that's not why we're here today.
00:03:05.320 i'm so pleased to welcome the minister of seniors and community social services jason nixon to share
00:03:11.640 some important news today thank you thank you
00:03:20.040 well thank you for that marjorie are we okay on the microphone awesome i'm excited to be here
00:03:25.560 today at the edmonton food bank for an important announcement i think it's no surprise to anybody
00:03:31.000 that we continue to see strong affordability challenges all across the country and frankly
00:03:35.640 all across the world driven by an inflation crisis that has been compounded by government
00:03:41.800 policies that should be changed and global issues that are out of control of all of our governments
00:03:46.600 and what that has led to is really the price of living the cost of living continuing to increase
00:03:52.320 all across canada and here in alberta making it harder for albertans to make ends meet it's why
00:03:59.200 Alberta's government has been proud to invest so much in being able to help with the affordability challenge.
00:04:05.520 We're proud to say that we are the most significant investor of any province
00:04:09.360 when it comes directly towards dealing with affordability,
00:04:12.660 with $5.1 billion going towards measures to be able to help Albertans pay their bills by the end of this year.
00:04:19.600 Everything from removing the fuel tax to credits on electricity bills to indexing our social services payments
00:04:27.240 are all measures that Alberta has taken to be able to attempt to address
00:04:30.940 and to help Albertans deal with this affordability challenge.
00:04:34.320 One of those challenges is food.
00:04:37.060 It's becoming harder and harder to be able to buy groceries,
00:04:40.160 and often Albertans are having to choose between paying rent and or buying food,
00:04:44.760 and that challenge is continuing to become more significant,
00:04:47.400 which is why we have already invested millions of dollars
00:04:50.140 with our food bank partners all across the province.
00:04:53.680 And I'd like to take a moment and just actually recognize them first
00:04:56.520 before I get to my announcement today, this work would not be possible without food banks like we
00:05:01.520 have here today. Obviously Marjorie and her team here at the Edmonton Food Bank as well with us
00:05:06.140 today is Shauna from the Alberta Food Bank which you'll hear from shortly and Melissa from Calgary
00:05:11.120 but on top of those three food banks we have hundreds of food banks all across this province
00:05:16.160 that we're diligently each and every day to be able to help us accomplish our goals and to be
00:05:20.800 able to help Albertans facing food security challenges which is why today I'm proud to say
00:05:26.020 Alberta's government will be immediately providing another $10 million in support for food banks
00:05:30.420 to combat food insecurity all across the province. Specifically, $3.7 million is going to food banks
00:05:37.860 as well as our partners in FCSS who are helping us with grant support immediately. Some of it
00:05:43.520 is already left. The rest will immediately flow from my department. An additional $4.1 million
00:05:49.780 will be allocated through food security grants and applications throughout this month of November,
00:05:54.500 which will be open shortly on alberta.ca
00:05:58.400 and then 2.2 million will be provided to Foodbanks Alberta
00:06:02.620 to develop a program to coordinate the needs of food banks during emergencies.
00:06:07.100 We saw an unprecedented year of emergencies with the wildfire season
00:06:11.280 and we do see a need to continue to be able to work in a more formal way
00:06:15.000 to be able to help food banks be able to help us be able to meet the needs of Albertans
00:06:19.160 in emergency situations.
00:06:20.700 We continue as a government to be committed to, as my mandate letter says, provide adequate and long-term funding for our food bank partners, and we will continue to look for other ways that we can continue to partner with those important organizations to meet our objectives as a province and make Albertans' life a little bit easier.
00:06:38.220 I would be amiss if I did not talk briefly about the carbon tax and the desire of our province, and I think many other provinces, to see the federal government remove the carbon tax when it comes to, or at least recognize in some way, the impact of the carbon tax on fuel costs and other affordability circumstances all across the country.
00:06:57.640 Bank of Canada confirmed just last week that if the carbon tax was eliminated, we would see our inflation rate decrease by 16%.
00:07:05.860 The single biggest impact to food costs right now in our country is coming from the increase to fuel costs.
00:07:13.140 And that's because everywhere from the farm to transportation to grocery stores to grocery stores themselves are impacted by that carbon tax.
00:07:19.960 And we really will continue to call on the federal government to join our ambition in making things a little bit easier for Albertans as we face this unprecedented challenge.
00:07:28.660 In the meantime, we will continue to invest, as I said, $5.1 billion in affordability measures to do our part to make life better for Albertans.
00:07:37.040 But we cannot do that without our partners.
00:07:39.160 And so today I would also like to ask Shawna from the Alberta Food Bank to come up and say a few words about our announcement today and the important work that they're doing.
00:07:49.960 Thank you to Minister Nixon. It's hard to follow up someone that tall.
00:07:59.080 Every food bank within this province is as unique and distinctive as the community in
00:08:03.340 which it serves. They all, however, share one commonality and that is a commitment to
00:08:08.860 ensure children, families, seniors and individuals do not leave their spaces hungry. This announcement
00:08:16.040 today is about food but just as importantly it is about ensuring access
00:08:20.300 to food regardless of where you live within our province this funding will
00:08:25.540 support community food banks as they support their own with compassion
00:08:29.900 consideration efficiency and effectiveness it will fuel the trucks
00:08:34.340 that deliver food in rural and remote areas where transportation is a barrier
00:08:39.200 it will purchase the refrigeration to ensure fresh milk and eggs to children
00:08:44.700 whose access to such things is limited it will heat and life the safe spaces
00:08:51.320 small-town Alberta food banks provide to people needing not only food but also
00:08:55.980 community connection resources and understanding food bank usage in Alberta
00:09:01.560 continues to rise year after year with food insecurity remaining a serious and
00:09:06.120 pervasive issue there is no one solution to addressing complex social problems
00:09:11.100 such as this, but all solutions require the kind of cooperation and collaboration we are seeing
00:09:17.380 today as government, organizations, and community come together to address the need. Regardless of
00:09:24.320 whether they occupy a church basement, a warehouse, or are tucked away in a donated corner of a town
00:09:30.920 hall, each and every food bank in this province is committed to making the most out of what they
00:09:36.320 been given as they safeguard and support the wellness of their communities and its members
00:09:42.240 through donations of food everyday albertans show their commitment to feed their neighbors
00:09:47.520 through provisions of funding such as this the government of alberta shows their commitment
00:09:52.880 to feed the organizations and communities that work tirelessly on behalf of those in need thank you
00:09:59.200 thanks Shauna this is um this is a welcome announcement and it's it's really wonderful
00:10:10.000 to be here um food banks like the Calgary food bank have been operating for the last
00:10:15.360 four decades in our province backed by our communities for our communities and well I'm
00:10:20.080 really grateful to be here today and to have an announcement like this that supports us in so
00:10:24.880 many ways i wish we didn't have to be here since 2019 the calgary food bank has seen a 140 increase
00:10:33.840 in client visits in just the last year we have seen an over 30 increase in client visits we are
00:10:42.000 seeing the impacts of our cost of living crisis every single day where access to nutritious food
00:10:49.840 is becoming increasingly unattainable for people who otherwise would never have imagined that they
00:10:56.480 would need this help. The financial commitment that our provincial government has spoken about
00:11:01.600 today is going to enable us to ensure that we support food insecure Albertans so that they
00:11:07.040 don't have to worry about where their next meal will come from, a basic fundamental need for
00:11:12.240 everyone. We know that things are especially challenging right now because when we look at
00:11:17.440 at where our clients are coming from,
00:11:18.940 it is more diverse than ever before.
00:11:21.400 In the last year, we've seen a 34% increase
00:11:24.820 in working Albertans coming to our food bank in Calgary.
00:11:27.960 That is folks who are working every day
00:11:30.040 and just can't make ends meet.
00:11:32.480 Families or parents are skipping meals
00:11:34.820 that their children can eat.
00:11:36.400 And we've seen more than a 30% of our clients
00:11:39.500 as newcomers to our country,
00:11:41.060 folks who have come from war-torn areas like the Ukraine,
00:11:44.000 looking for a better life,
00:11:45.660 and yet they can't put food on their tables.
00:11:48.360 Everyone who walks through our doors
00:11:50.260 relies on us to be there for their difficult times.
00:11:53.660 And as Albertans, I know that it is in our genome
00:11:57.360 that we simply do not leave others behind.
00:12:00.660 We can't be there for clients
00:12:02.260 if we're not working together with government,
00:12:05.040 with our sector colleagues, with our community,
00:12:07.160 with our donors and with our clients.
00:12:09.360 And as we respond to these increases in demand
00:12:11.940 and these complex needs during this time,
00:12:14.040 we are so grateful to have a provincial government
00:12:17.080 who is responsive to our needs.
00:12:19.320 This additional $10 million
00:12:21.040 will build upon previous provincial support
00:12:23.600 that will help us to respond swiftly
00:12:25.160 to these increases in demand that we are seeing.
00:12:27.600 And we hope to continue to work together
00:12:29.800 to meet these immediate and urgent needs
00:12:32.080 as we think innovatively of how we can ensure
00:12:34.840 sustainable ways to support our communities into the future
00:12:38.240 in keeping with our core values
00:12:40.600 of by community for community.
00:12:43.800 Thank you so much, Edmonton Food Bank and Marjorie
00:12:46.180 for hosting us today.
00:12:47.380 It's so wonderful to be in this environment
00:12:49.360 and see these volunteers working so diligently behind us
00:12:52.720 to help their community.
00:12:55.180 We'll now move to questions from the media.
00:12:57.160 We'll start with reporters here in the room.
00:12:59.400 If you could state your name and your outlet,
00:13:01.320 we'll do one question, one follow-up
00:13:03.200 and then we'll move to the phone lines.
00:13:06.380 First question.
00:13:13.800 we're seeing an unprecedented challenge across the province you're correct i i would not argue that
00:13:34.440 one investment inside food banks will deal with uh our overall challenge but i will say though
00:13:39.720 is that we are committed to investing in a significant way we as a government have to choose
00:13:44.520 the best way to be able to utilize resources to have the most significant impact again alberta
00:13:49.240 has spent more than any of any other province in the country on tackling affordability with a 5.1
00:13:55.000 billion dollar investment which is unprecedented anywhere as far as i know in north america and
00:13:59.800 we'll continue to do so this is building on some investments that have already been made
00:14:03.960 in the food bank sector we were the first government in alberta to actually invest
00:14:07.320 directly in food banks um we've got about 26 million dollars invested in food banks so far
00:14:12.280 over the last year and a half maybe just slightly longer than that uh and it's in my mandate letter
00:14:17.640 to be committed to making sure that we have long-term adequate funding uh for food banks
00:14:23.160 and so as we go on the next fiscal year we'll have a look at what needs to be adjusted to be
00:14:27.240 able to achieve that ambition that said we saw some great results last time that we invested
00:14:31.960 10 million dollars in food banks and we're anticipating that we will we'll see the same
00:14:35.480 going forward with this money just as a follow-up to that one i guess i meant more on the frame of
00:14:39.960 like not just money like you know we see grocery store prices and stuff like that i'm not if let
00:14:44.760 me know if you know it's it's why i uh um it's why i brought up the carbon tax again today that's
00:14:49.960 only one policy issue but when we know that there is one measure that could be removed whether
00:14:55.480 permanently and or temporarily by the federal government that could reduce our inflation rate
00:14:59.640 by 16 overnight we can't ignore that the reality is that the hardest thing for us to adapt to
00:15:06.440 is on when it comes to combating inflation the affordability crisis is food some of the other
00:15:11.800 areas that where we see particular fuel costs or heating costs or electricity costs the government
00:15:16.600 has some direct levers when it comes to food we don't and the number one way that we can make
00:15:21.000 things more affordable when it comes to food is to lower the cost of fuel the reality is that
00:15:25.320 everything comes in our society either by truck and or train and so if we can get our fuel costs
00:15:30.760 down we can be able to help uh every albert including food banks uh be able to have a little
00:15:35.160 better price at the grocery store it sounds like your team has crunched the numbers essentially
00:15:39.320 in terms of how much you have invested and plan to invest as far as how far that 10 million dollars
00:15:44.840 will go do you have any idea of how long that will last maybe the food bank could also speak
00:15:49.080 to this and yeah yeah well i'll i'll ask anybody from either of the food banks here if they would
00:15:54.520 I'd like to elaborate on the impact on their organization.
00:15:58.860 We do know that this is going to touch all of the permanent food banks
00:16:02.860 that we have across the province and have an impact on each of their operations
00:16:06.360 in a different way.
00:16:07.300 I mean, the cool part about food banks is you have everything from here,
00:16:10.520 a very large food bank here in Edmonton,
00:16:13.060 and you can go back into my hometown of Sundry,
00:16:15.560 and the food bank will look very, very different,
00:16:17.040 but it's still absolutely critical for our community.
00:16:19.240 And so different amounts will impact each of these organizations in different ways,
00:16:23.380 but it'll be it's a clear statement and a clear emphasis that that partnership
00:16:28.220 that we started about a year and a half ago food banks is going to continue
00:16:31.060 and that the Alberta government wants to continue to stand side by side with
00:16:34.320 food banks as they do their important work and I don't know if any of you guys
00:16:37.480 want to add about impact to your organizations because I mean at the end
00:16:41.060 of the day just like parents they all have grocery bills you know how much
00:16:44.200 money is so just like some real numbers would be great
00:16:46.660 why don't i uh so they're they're scared to speak specifically to real numbers without making sure
00:16:54.500 they double check it what i can do though is i can commit that we'll quickly follow up with
00:16:57.940 you right after this and make sure we're giving you an accurate number great okay next question
00:17:04.900 okay if we don't have any more questions in the room we'll move oh i'm amy from cbc french and
00:17:10.980 maybe more for the food banks but christmas is coming do you think it's gonna be enough for you
00:17:16.420 like this money i follow up a little bit on your question
00:17:25.540 so earlier in my comments i tried to demonstrate the
00:17:30.500 volume of people coming through edmonton's food bank and the enormous
00:17:34.660 need we're seeing as well as of course calgary is seeing
00:17:38.820 more and more people coming to them and rural food banks are seeing
00:17:42.580 that growing demand. I think that this beautiful gift from the province of Alberta will help bridge
00:17:49.780 us and provide some much needed support as we're going through these challenges but it doesn't take
00:17:55.620 away from the important work and contributions of our volunteers for example that are packing
00:18:01.860 hampers or food or money donors that are helping us each and every day do the work that we are doing.
00:18:07.940 I think, again, it speaks to that pooling and that commitment to try to address food security that we're all working together with.
00:18:18.180 And we're really pleased that the province of Alberta is working with us to make that a relationship as well as, you know, make an impact on the lives of people that we're serving each and every day.
00:18:30.660 Do you have a follow-up?
00:18:33.220 No more questions in the room?
00:18:35.300 I'll add one thing to that, actually, if I could.
00:18:37.260 But I think that that emphasis on the importance of non-government organizations like we're in today, as well as their volunteers, is something that our government wants to advertise and be very loud about.
00:18:50.500 It's something that Alberta should be proud about.
00:18:52.020 We have some of the largest volunteer numbers anywhere in the country.
00:18:54.880 And as we go into Christmas, we know we depend on these organizations and their volunteer base and their donor bases to be able to help us be able to meet our social obligations across the country.
00:19:03.640 I got to be the Executive Director of the Mustard Seed in Calgary for many years,
00:19:07.900 and I can tell you we depended on our 11,000 volunteers and the government
00:19:11.220 to work together to be able to accomplish our goals,
00:19:14.020 which is why you continue to see Alberta's government work with organizations like this
00:19:19.240 rather than to try to tackle these problems ourselves.
00:19:22.640 Next question.
00:19:24.280 Travis McEwen, CBC News, Edmonton.
00:19:26.660 You talked about federal policy being a big part of this
00:19:29.240 and basically preventing people from coming to the food banks.
00:19:32.000 And this morning, Jagmeet Singh ended up talking about giving, he proposed basically giving more power to the Competition Bureau so that there was more competitive prices at the big grocery chains.
00:19:42.720 Is that something you would like to see or why or why not?
00:19:45.460 I'm always happy to see the Competition Bureau making sure things that are fair are fair for consumers.
00:19:51.320 We encourage that to take place when we made the decision to remove the fuel tax in Alberta to make sure that consumers are being treated fair at the pump.
00:19:59.220 But I want to be clear, the single biggest thing that could be done tomorrow is not another committee, not another meeting.
00:20:05.800 Justin Trudeau could immediately go in the House of Commons and at least temporarily suspend things like the Carbon Tax to help Albertans pay for food, for heat, for their fuel.
00:20:15.860 This is impacting the cost of all of our lives.
00:20:18.740 Again, that number, 16 percent immediate reduction in our inflation rate is something that the government cannot ignore for much longer.
00:20:25.140 So I do hope all of our federal colleagues immediately look at that and let's come together and give Canadians the best Christmas present ever,
00:20:32.460 which is remove this tax because it's really impacting our bills right now.
00:20:35.700 Do you have a follow-up?
00:20:36.800 Yeah, for the food bank folks here, we heard it in the speeches a little bit,
00:20:39.560 but if you can kind of answer how you see this money being used to make an impact for your organizations.
00:20:48.820 Kind of the day-to-day or long-term.
00:20:51.000 There's a few different ways that food banks can access these funds.
00:20:53.480 So there's some funding that goes to the day to day and then there's some funding for emergent needs and also some funding that allows us to perhaps look at some innovative ways to look at our operations and do things differently.
00:21:02.920 So I think that's just such a great multifaceted approach that it's not just the bandaid of feed today, but that there's different mechanisms with which we can apply for this money so that we're looking at things differently on the day to day with with the immediate needs funding that we're receiving.
00:21:19.620 honestly we're just at a point where every bit helps and so I think that this
00:21:24.240 funding will just be put to good use in terms of food purchase and supplies to
00:21:27.900 feed Albertans at the end of the day. Just on that note sorry just on that note
00:21:33.660 has anything changed in the last year or six months when that you guys have
00:21:37.380 changed I mean you've never seen a demand like this in your life ever in
00:21:40.920 any of the food banks even stuff like how you pack boxes or how much food you
00:21:45.780 give for family like has anything changed to I guess evolve or accommodate this crazy amount of
00:21:51.420 people I'm six months on the job so I'm gonna let Marjorie answer that so people have been very kind
00:22:03.480 to us as an organization both with their kind donations of food or money or time the challenge
00:22:10.740 we've had as an organization is the number of agencies approaching us for
00:22:15.600 food as well as the number of people coming to us for food so at the
00:22:20.940 beginning of last year and we were very transparent with the broader community
00:22:25.620 we did make some programming changes so we changed the the size of the hampers
00:22:31.320 slightly to and modified them so that we could keep up with this growing demand
00:22:37.140 And we also were a little bit clearer about expectations about the agencies that were coming to us and accessing food from us so we would have more transparency and accountability for food that was going back out in the community.
00:22:53.280 So we had to make some changes and, you know, increase hours of operation.
00:22:59.640 Those kind of things have been slowly increasing over time.
00:23:03.640 And we've doubled the staff to outstanding number of four in our Beyond Food program to accommodate, for example, Ukrainians and other people that are coming looking for free safety tickets and resume support and stuff like that.
00:23:19.340 so we have been making changes to hopefully try to address this growing need in our community
00:23:27.420 we'll move to the phones now operator could i get the first caller please
00:23:34.300 jonathan bradley what's your standard
00:23:38.380 hello mr nixon thank you for taking my question my first question is you said you want to have the
00:23:45.100 tax to reduce the demand on food banks but you said there's other policies you want to change
00:23:51.500 here what are those other policies i i broke up half that question so am i going to get you one
00:23:58.460 more chance for you to do it because it broke up i couldn't hear it jonathan could you um
00:24:06.140 Maybe we swing right back to him if you guys got somewhere else.
00:24:16.140 Jonathan, I can follow up.
00:24:18.140 There you are, Jonathan.
00:24:19.140 We can hear you now.
00:24:21.140 Okay.
00:24:22.140 Perfect.
00:24:23.140 So my question for you is you said that there is policies the K government has proposed
00:24:34.140 that are affecting food prices.
00:24:38.220 Aside from the carbon tax,
00:24:41.500 what other policies do you want changed?
00:24:43.700 Well, we'll start with a couple other areas,
00:24:46.580 I think, on food, just head back to the agriculture
00:24:48.700 end of our food chain.
00:24:52.420 Speaking as a large rural Riding MLA
00:24:55.380 who represents a lot of farmers,
00:24:56.620 we continue to see a lot of red tape aspects
00:24:59.020 taking place on the farm that I think could ultimately
00:25:01.380 impact the cost at grocers. But the reality is, I just want to emphasize, the number one thing is
00:25:07.920 the carbon tax. This is what is costing us so much to be able to create food compared to other
00:25:13.200 jurisdictions. That does not mean inflation will go away. It will still remain a challenge. And the
00:25:17.800 demands that we're seeing in our food banks will continue to remain a challenge. But we have a tool
00:25:21.620 right now that could reduce inflation by 16% overnight if the federal government took action,
00:25:27.060 including on food you know if we didn't have to pay so much to dry grain already this year
00:25:31.340 because of the carbon tax we would be seeing bread go down already
00:25:35.120 jonathan do you have a follow-up yes so right now the king is kind of uncertain it's uncertain
00:25:44.980 about the future with the carbon tax do you believe the carbon tax will be repealed by this
00:25:50.100 by the end of this year why or why not well i don't uh uh it's hard for me to speak for the
00:25:56.040 federal liberals they obviously don't call me up for advice though i've been giving them advice in
00:25:59.460 the carbon tax for a long time particularly in my previous role as minister of environment
00:26:02.740 uh so i don't know what they're going to do i do think though that what you've seen is them cave
00:26:07.140 on this issue in places like the maritimes when it comes to heating of hill homes that is a
00:26:12.960 recognition by the federal government the carbon tax is impacting people paying their bills and so
00:26:19.140 what i do know is that the federal government should apply the carbon tax fairly across the
00:26:24.240 country. So that means they should at the very least immediately remove the carbon tax on heating
00:26:28.840 fuels in any province in this country or territory. And I do know that if the federal government was
00:26:33.540 truly trying to help Canadians deal with affordability payments, that they remove the
00:26:37.380 carbon tax altogether. And I think that's all the questions that we have over the phones. Thank
00:26:43.660 you, everyone. Thanks, guys.
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