In defense of 15-minute cities
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In this episode, Cory talks about the dangers of the World Economic Forum's "15 minute cities" plan, and why the WF doesn't want you to have more than 15 minutes to live in your current home.
Transcript
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Good day. Welcome to the Cory Morgan Show. It's the last day of summer, or at least last show
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of summer for me. We got a little more summer coming on this. I hate winter. I can't stand it.
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I know I've been in Canada my whole life. I just suffered too much working as a surveyor,
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freezing way too many times. I can take the heat. So I'm going to mourn the end of summer. I guess
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on the bright side, we can look forward to our political clowns getting back in session at every
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level of government, though, so we have a lot more stuff to go on and piss and moan about, which is,
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you know, what I specialize in. Never a shortage of material, of course, and then there's none
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of a shortage of it today. Later on, I'm going to have guest David Clement on. He's been on before.
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It's been quite a while, though, and he's with the Consumer Choice Center. We're going to talk
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about that big liberal move where they've now banned nicotine pouches. They're saving the youth of the
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world from nicotine pouches, apparently. That was the biggest threat to them. We can get a crack pipe,
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you know, from a vending machine in Nanaimo, but heaven help us if somebody got a hold of a
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nicotine pouch. So we'll discuss that. And yes, be sure, guys, for those who are watching live,
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anyways, use the comment scroll. I appreciate it. I like seeing the comments. Keep them civil. I see
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what the title of this show today, and I'll get into that in a moment. I knew it was going to work
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some folks out, and somebody, Corey Starkiller, a commenter, came in an hour ago, actually. I hope he's
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still here. He says, so the Western Standard openly admits to being controlled opposition. I wonder who's
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paying for this. No, we're in controlled opposition. Not everything is a conspiracy. If we were getting
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big bucks from the WEF, do you think I'd be wearing this cheap sport coat? Come on, guys.
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I only get my hair cut once every couple of months. Either way, I'll go further as we discuss these
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things. Good to see you there, Ron, Mr. Stanley, and Paradoxy, some of the regulars in the comments
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scroll. This can be an interactive show. We can have some fun. So, okay, let's see what this guy's
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commenting about, why he's worked up. I'm talking about 15-minute cities. Now, bear with me.
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I know they trigger many people, and I'm talking about defending them in a way. The issue we have
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isn't 15-minute communities in themselves. It's that we're dealing with urban density-obsessed
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authoritarian zealots who plan cities. The issue isn't the concept. It's with the motivation of
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those promoting it and how they want to go about it. The World Economic Forum Density Zealots,
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they want to see densely packed urban centers with high-rise buildings and strictly controlled
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living standards. Their motivations are based on building a rigid socialist society with the
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movement and actions of people strongly regulated. They claim their motivations are based on
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environmentalism, of course, and egalitarianism, but that's what the Soviet Union claimed as well.
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And actually, I did have the pleasure of seeing those giant ugly row houses in Moscow back in the
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80s. Not a pretty thing. Now, the 15-minute city proponents inspired by the WF, they have no interest
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in allowing people to exercise their individual choice. That's why they're obsessed with public
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transit, making individual automobile ownership impractical, if not impossible. They want to
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squash people into enclaves, and they feel the only way to do it is to regulate movement. This was evident
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in the UK, where a city tried to force auto owners to stay within certain districts, and they were offering
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fines if they didn't do so. The WF vision of the 15-minute cities, it's one of virtual imprisonment.
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Like most authoritarian states, the elites, of course, would travel and enjoy lavish lifestyle,
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lifestyles, but the commoners would be left to dull, drudging existences. We're kind of almost
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there. I mean, look at Canada, where we send our folks overseas to environmental conferences,
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and they treat themselves on the taxpayers' dime to nice lavish affairs there, these shindigs.
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We aren't that far from the two-tiered world the WF types want us to enjoy.
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So, people don't trust the government to manage their lives, and for very good reasons. I mean,
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the COVID days aren't that far in the rearview mirror, and we can remember just how eager the
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political class and their bureaucrats are to control us whenever possible. Unfortunately,
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this mistrust has led me to instinctively oppose all forms of community planning, even if the planning
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is good. Now, think of a 15-minute city concept that's not based on authoritarianism, but it's
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instead based on free market capitalism, free movement, and minor zoning controls. Think of a
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community where stores, schools, medical centers, other services are all mostly within a 15-minute walk,
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or at least a short drive. Savings could be had as people don't find themselves commuting as far for
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worker services, and we get a tighter community bonding as people get to know each other and
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socialize in the community hubs. Now, what I'm describing isn't nefarious at all if living within
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these communities is voluntary. In fact, we have thousands of them already. We call them small towns.
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Dense urban downtown hubs are obsolete. It used to be essential that large businesses had to set up
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administrative centers nearby each other so meetings could be held, communications and documents could be
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sent, and so the workers could all commute to one spot in reasonable time. With modern vehicles and
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communication methods, businesses can and are moving away from urban centers, and they're setting
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up suburban campuses or heading to smaller cities and towns. With the ability to work from home
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increasing, many people are choosing. That's the key part here, guys, choice. They're choosing to escape
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the cities and enjoying smaller town life, or at least moving to the fringes of the cities rather than
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being stuck in the core. New and growing communities are enjoying an influx of new residents, and they're
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creating local services to make the areas more appealing. They aren't doing it because city planners are
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making them doing it. They're doing it because that's what citizens want. The irony of the whole 15-minute
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city issue is that 15-minute cities will form organically if only the authoritarians would just leave
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citizens alone. Smaller business hubs will form on the outskirts of cities, and residential communities will
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surround them. The density zealots will decry this trend. Of course, it's urban sprawl. They claim it's
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environmentally harmful to let people spread out. In reality, smaller suburban communities and small
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towns, they foster more green space than any densely packed urban downtown, and there tend to be fewer
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discarded syringes and less scent of piss as well. The world's changing, and we need to plan for it.
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Smaller communities with independent services within them are the future. There's nothing wrong with 15-minute
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cities. We just need to reimagine what they'll be and how we're going to achieve them. We've got to
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distinguish between good 15-minute cities and bad ones. It's not hard to tell which ones with a simple rule.
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If the proponent of a 15-minute city says we need more government to get there, they're proposing
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the wrong kind. So, I guess to use a cheesy statement, you know, let's not throw out the baby
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with the bathwater. 15-minute cities aren't all that bad. Just let us choose them. All right, enough
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about that. Let's get on to our news editor, Dave Naylor, and update on what else is going on out there
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in the world. Hey, Dave, how's it going? I knew it. Knew what? I knew you were a WF student. Yes, I know.
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I've just got a poster of Klaus Schwab in my bedroom. I mean, you live in a place that takes two minutes to
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walk across the entire town. Yeah. And you're lecturing us city folk on city life. I'm saying
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you should move out to areas like I live in, if possible. All right. Hey, I'm declaring the drought
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over. This alleged drought that we've been undergoing. Holy cow, was it raining heavy this
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morning? Yeah, the drought's really caused a lot of mushrooms to spring up my lawn this year. No kidding.
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No kidding. You know what? I haven't seen much, though, just thinking about it. Dandelions.
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Is it just me? I haven't seen any dandelions this year. Not in a while. I mean, the early part,
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they came up. But yeah, they kind of disappeared pretty fast. It wasn't wasps, though.
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You know, that's the news you're not going to believe. So you remember that ISIS terrorist who
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was granted citizenship in Toronto? Yeah. And then they arrested him for trying to do terrorist type
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things. Yeah, he dissected a guy on video. Yeah, he dissected him. Yeah, chopped him up. The Liberals,
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public safety minister today, testified that's how the system should work. Oh, for ISIS. You let the
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terrorists in. You give them citizenship. You're only tipped off by a foreign government that they're
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going to blow something up. And that's how the system should work? I mean, come on, man. It's
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ridiculous. The ridiculousness continues into wacky BC, where Fraser Health, as they did, they were
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offering a free crack pipe delivery service. You know, order up a crack pipe, another drug
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paraphernalia, they'll drop it off at your house. No problem. Well, Premier Eby didn't like that
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and ordered that stopped. Then the story on the crack vending machines in BC hospitals, Nanaimo and
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a couple of other places where you can just go up to a vending machine, press a button and get a
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cocaine snorting kid or a crack pipe. Well, Minister Eby, even though it was his government that approved
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them, sorry, Premier Eby, his government approved them, but he's now going to review it after it's
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being brought to light. Here's your head a shake. Got a call from yourself, defending Premier Smith and her
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decision to move around AHS and maybe get them out of the hospital running business. Yeah. And of course,
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the left has lost their mind and the head and then she is openly weeping in the streets. I must say, I'm not
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sucking up to you, but it's a good call. Perfect. It's a good call. Hammer time at Home Depot. They've become the
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latest company to come under fire for their woke policies and sponsoring all sorts of sexual
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minority stuff. So we'll see if they bow to the pressure like Harley Davidson and Jack Daniels and
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John Deere and Tractor World and all the companies that have wilted under the pressure. And under the
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category of no blank Sherlock, the Public Health Agency of Canada has admitted their pandemic COVID
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action plan was a failure. Holy cow. Who would have guessed it? Only a little late out of the gate with that,
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aren't they? A little late out of the gate. But you know what? They're just getting ready for the monkey pox.
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So hopefully they've now got a better game plan. Well, there's a new one I just saw today. It's called EEE. I forget what that all
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stands for. It's mosquito born and an 80 year old man in eastern states has been diagnosed. The first one with it.
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Sloth virus. Yeah, something like that. And the legacy media has made that a headline because one
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person out of the, you know, a few hundred million in North America has come down with something
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non-fatal. So as soon as I know where you can get your vaccine for that, I'll let you know.
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Okay. And our readers and viewers. Well, I'm sure our state learned from COVID though,
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so they can properly respond. Absolutely. We won't be able to get on airplanes without it.
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All right. Thanks, Dave. I'll let you get back to digging through the rest of those, again,
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absurd stories. Sometimes you just shake your head. The truth really is stranger than fiction.
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That's why I enjoyed it. It's so strange. It is. And we'll see you on the pipeline.
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You bet. All right. So that is our news editor, Dave Naylor. As you see,
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lots of stories coming out from the good, the bad, and the ridiculous, but we put them all out there.
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There's a lot of content and good stuff. Guys, this one I like to nag. Yeah, I have to.
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This is how we pay the bills. It's $9.99 a month. It's $100 a year. Get past that paywall.
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Keep us independent. Keep me flogging these 15 minute cities. All that good stuff. Get on there.
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Westernstandard.news slash subscription. We don't take government dollars. We won't take it. They're
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not really that eager to give it to us, but the reason we can do that is because you've been
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subscribing. So if you have already, thank you very much. And if you haven't, come on guys, get in there.
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It's less than a newspaper subscription used to be. So yeah, you know, I see a lot of the comments
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we're talking about with the monologue, like Mark Bass saying the same thing. I don't have a problem
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with 15 minute cities as long as I'm not forced to stay within them. That's the thing that you see,
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they've taken in this, the typical thing of governments, isn't it? You take a good thing
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and you add government and you turn it bad. That's the problem. A meritocrat also saying,
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yep, you can drive through a 10,000 population, small town within 15 minutes. Yeah. And a community of
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10,000 would typically have, you know, everything you'd need, a school, grocery store,
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some sort of medical center, things like that. Like we can spread out. We just, there is a
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difference. The loons, the civic planners, the mayors and councils, they want to squash us all
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in and up, which is horrible. We need them to go out, little communities outside. We can communicate.
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We don't need to be all jammed in like that anymore. But yeah, some of the stuff is just not so
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speaking of healthcare, then let's get back to that. And that's funny, because I want to see more
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healthcare options growing out there. Premier Smith, you know, things have gone bananas on our
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own. And she says, as Dave says, weeping the blues. He's the Alberta NDP leader. And what has happened
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is Premier Smith said at a town hall meeting that we should consider having Covenant Health take over
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the administration of some hospitals in Alberta to add competition between the administrations, you know,
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from Alberta Health Services, which is a giant bureaucracy. And maybe with the competition,
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it would actually, you know, encourage them all to manage things a little better. That's all she
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said. That's what she said. Oh, the legacy media and then she and the unions and friends of Medicare,
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which is just a union group, are furious. Now listen, a lot of people don't look at the nuts
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and bolts of healthcare provision because it's boring. Most of what they're worried about is,
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hey, I'm dying waiting to see a specialist, literally, or I'm dying while waiting in an emergency
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room, literally. We've got people in hallways on gurneys, literally. You know, the word literally
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gets abused a heck of a lot. But in this case, it's properly applied. And when you look to BC,
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it's run by the NDP, the socialists. Guess what? They got the same problem. Because Canada's system
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is broken. We need to change some things. It's a monopoly. And you see, when there's a monopoly,
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the consumer always loses. Always. It doesn't matter if the consumer or if the monopoly is a
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government one or if it's a private business one. You're hooped either way. You need competition.
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You need more than one option. Well, we have a health provision monopoly and an administration
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monopoly. So AHS, you hear the term quite often. That's Alberta Health Services. That is the giant
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government bureaucracy that manages Alberta's health care system. It has over 100,000 employees
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under its umbrella. And 90% of them are unionized. They don't want to see anything change. They have
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nobody to compete with. And what they do, and the unions do and the rest, is lobby against any change.
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Now, in Alberta, we have some stuff going on. We have nurses who've been playing the part-time
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shift shuffling game. They stay on as part-timers. They still get big giant pensions and benefits,
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by the way, because people say, oh, the AHS won't give them jobs as full-timers because they
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wouldn't get benefits. That's not true. They get benefits even as part-timers.
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And then they shuffle around and play the overtime game. And what we have is hundreds of nurses in
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Alberta who make over 100,000 a year. There was a nurse, a nurse in Alberta a couple years ago made
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over $500,000 playing this game. How do they get away with this? Well, because you have a union-dominated
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administration all under one umbrella that has a monopoly that doesn't have the motivation
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to take on that battle, to change those things. So how can you change that, break the monopoly?
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And Smith talked about having Covenant Health break it. And in fact, Covenant Health already
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manages a number of hospitals. In fact, some big ones, big ones in Edmonton, big ones in smaller towns.
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But they are Catholic-based. I propose that Smith goes even further. It's not enough to just switch
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some management to Covenant Health. Let's get some private companies bidding on the management of
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these hospitals. Let's give them incentives. And again, you build them into it. There's got to be
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good patient outcomes and, of course, better efficiency in doing it. And we can all win.
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All right. I see my guest in the lobby, though. So I'm going to bring him in and we'll talk a little
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more. I want to get on a little more about healthcare after that. But first, we should
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talk to Mr. Clement from the Consumer Choice Center. So thanks for joining me today, David.
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Yeah, it's been a while since I've had you on. I've overdue. I'm sorry for the lapse.
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So, you know, what I've got, John, and I appreciate you, you know, you've been speaking
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on this issue a bit. I've read past columns. When we talk about, I guess, harm mitigation when
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it comes to tobacco use. I mean, you know, smoking is bad for you. We got that. Everybody kind of agrees
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with that. But now the war seems to have turned against alternative nicotine delivery systems.
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And the government is cracking down on nicotine pouches. Can you kind of expand on what's happening
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Yeah. So essentially what's happened is the federal health minister was upset that Health Canada had
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approved nicotine pouches to be used as a smoking cessation tool, basically a way to get people off of
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cigarettes, just like Nicorette, right? We've seen those products advertised for decades, it seems.
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And so he was particularly concerned that nicotine pouches would end up in the hands of kids and all
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sorts of, I mean, somewhat valid concerns. But the issue here is that rather than simply age-gate all
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nicotine products, which he certainly could have done, he's removed them from corner stores,
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and he's banned two of the three available flavors that exist. And that's a huge disservice to anybody
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who's trying to quit, because if we know, I'm sure you do, and I certainly do, people who've tried for
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years or even longer to quit, it's really important that when they go to buy cigarettes, they're prompted
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with the less risky alternative. It's why it's great that we sell vape products at corner stores,
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so that when someone goes in, maybe they'll consider buying something that isn't going to
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cause cancer, that would be great for public health, it's a win all around, it's something
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that should be celebrated. But for some reason, the health minister has had his sights set on
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nicotine pouches, despite the fact that Health Canada has deemed them equal to Nicorette.
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So some of the concern, I guess it's a bit of a valid one, we don't want to create
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new addicts. We don't want kids to come in, or anybody, even adults for that matter, if you never
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take a nicotine, don't start, whether it's a pouch or whatever you do. But is there any evidence that
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anybody really started an addiction through these pouches? I mean, most I would think just kind of
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usually you begin with cigarettes. Well, it's weird, because in the government's announcement
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about this, they didn't cite any Canadian data, they just cited some anecdotes from the United States,
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which is an entirely different market, because all of these things have been on the market for a lot
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longer. But ironically, what they missed in their figures about youth access is that if you wanted
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to use the United States, youth smoking is at an all time low. And that's a great thing. And it really,
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for me, just missed the whole point, because we don't want minors to access alcohol. And that's why
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we make it, we have an age restriction on it. That would be the easy way to ensure that
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kids don't have access to nicotine pouches would just be, okay, we're going to make it equal to
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the age of smoking. And that's it. And leave it with these retailers to sort out the rest. Because
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think about the cognitive dissonance here, where the government trusts convenience stores to sell
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cigarettes, which cause cancer, but not sell them to minors, but doesn't trust convenience stores,
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just to sell, excuse me, a product that doesn't cause cancer to minors. And to me, that did the
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limited or hypocritical application of harm reduction here from the federal government is just mind boggling.
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Well, that's it when we're talking about harm reduction, of course, we hear a lot more about it
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when it comes to opioid addiction, areas of consumption, and so on, where they insist then,
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and okay, perhaps is a valid case, if we're going to get addicts to utilize harm reduction products,
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whether it's free syringes, or even pipes now that are being given out in vending machines,
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under the rationale that we need to make it easy for them to grab these things, we need to be
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visible and available. But at the same time, when it comes to smoking, we want to make the secession
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products as invisible and unavailable as humanly possible. It's a complete double standard.
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Well, it's a complete double standard, and it completely undermines the rest of their arguments
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on harm reduction. And what's even more irritating is like, if we look at safe supply, right, we're
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talking hydromorphone, which is equivalent to heroin, you have a government that's distributing
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hydromorphone, which may or may not be a good policy, there's a huge debate about that. But it's
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so confusing to me, to have a government go that route on harm reduction for opioids,
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and then go the prohibitionist mentality on tools that we know help smokers quit,
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and are so exponentially less risky. And when I say that, it's just to put it into perspective
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for anybody who's watching, if smoking is a risk level of 99, the vaping is about a five,
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Nicorette and nicotine pouches are a one. So we're talking about as low risk as you can get
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while still consuming nicotine. And so yeah, the cognitive dissonance here from the health minister
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is baffling. It just feels weirdly vindictive on his part, where he just has a grudge.
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And so he's asked, he's now through the budget, has these new powers to do what he calls precision
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regulating. And they can go after any product or any medical device or any drug that Health Canada
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has approved and basically veto that. And the precedent there, we're talking about nicotine
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pouches today, but the precedent for a politically motivated health minister to just willy-nilly
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ban something because he says so is a pretty dangerous precedent.
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There's a lot of authority packed into his chair. And I mean, part of it is when we've got,
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he's a bit of an activist in himself. I mean, he isn't a medical professional,
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though he did work as communications person for the Heart and Lung Association, I think,
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or something like that, Heart and Stroke Foundation. But I mean, I find with activists,
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especially if they've gotten their way, I mean, it's kind of a broader discussion, but
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you know, cigarette smoking, I mean, it's down to a minuscule amount of what it used to be.
00:21:58.520
Smokers have been chased out of every public spot, they kind of have to hide in the alley,
00:22:02.280
and then I was going to say in doorways, but they're not allowed in your doorways to smoke.
00:22:06.840
But you know, the anti-smoking lobby has almost succeeded, they've really knocked it down.
00:22:13.160
And now it's like they have to set their sights somewhere new, they've got to find a new target.
00:22:18.280
Like in Calgary, they were working on banning vaping from city parks, there was no indication
00:22:23.080
whatsoever that people were being harmed by people vaping in city parks, or that it was,
00:22:27.320
you know, some sort of problematic thing, but they just seem to have a chip on their shoulder for
00:22:31.720
any kind of product and they're going to come after them.
00:22:34.360
It's the fun police. It's the fun police. That's all it is. It's an anti-statism and mission creep.
00:22:41.560
And I mean, it's just really uncomfortable behavior. It's fine for the anti-organizations
00:22:48.920
to have their stance if they want to convince the public to essentially be teetotalers or
00:22:55.880
temperous or avoid all of these substances. That's their prerogative and I wish them the best of luck
00:23:02.360
in doing so. But when it crafts policies, that's when I get really uncomfortable because you get these
00:23:08.840
ridiculous things like allowing Nicorette to be flavored fresh fruit or berry, but not allowing
00:23:17.160
nicotine pouches to have those flavors, allowing Nicorette to be sold anywhere, not allowing nicotine
00:23:24.200
pouches to be sold anywhere except for pharmacies. And so it's, you see this kind of activist
00:23:30.600
policy push. And it's that mission creep where, I mean, ironically, Canada wants to get to a place
00:23:40.120
where we're deemed smoke-free, which is less than 5%. There's really only one OECD country who's gotten
00:23:46.520
to that mark and it's Sweden. And what does Sweden have to do with all of this? Well, where do nicotine
00:23:52.600
pouches come from? They come from Sweden. They're widely available in Sweden. Hardly anybody smokes.
00:23:59.480
Yes, some people use nicotine pouches, former smokers, etc. But they got to smoke-free by actually
00:24:05.560
having a somewhat principled approach to harm reduction. And so if they wanted to achieve
00:24:11.240
their grand goal of a, in quotes, smoke-free Canada, the best way to do that is to offer as many
00:24:17.880
less harmful alternatives as possible to people to get them away from smoking, not to
00:24:24.280
make it harder to quit, right? The point is to try and make it easier for people to quit smoking,
00:24:30.120
not to make it harder. And these, these pouches bans and flavor bans and all of the policies that
00:24:35.960
they've done in regards to vaping, just make it harder for smokers to quit. And nobody wins,
00:24:40.920
nobody wins in that scenario. Yeah. I see Mark Bass, I'm just responding to one of the commenters
00:24:46.440
wondering about flavored patches and wondering if it sticks to your tongue. No, it's pouches we're
00:24:49.960
speaking of, not patches. So that it'll go under your lip, kind of like chewing tobacco,
00:24:53.880
but it's not tobacco-based. It's a nicotine delivery system. I'll offer a bit of an anecdote.
00:24:58.280
Like I was a heavy, heavy smoker. I was in the oil field for 20 years. We would just chain smoke
00:25:02.200
when I'd stand at my survey transit and so on. When I quit, oh boy, it was a hard time for everybody
00:25:07.000
who had to live around me at the time too. I used patches to help wean me off it. And they helped.
00:25:12.600
They helped me a lot. And to be honest, if I was a three weeks into my quitting,
00:25:17.640
and for some reason I couldn't get ahold of patches, you know what I would have done?
00:25:22.680
And we launched a campaign on this and we have, oh, I think 13, 1400 people who are in their
00:25:29.240
quitting journey or who have quit smoking, who have all said, like, don't ban the flavors.
00:25:35.560
Don't restrict these because they're helping me get away from smoking. One of the guys who gave us
00:25:40.520
the testimonial went from 16 cigarettes a day, which is pretty heavy, to one or two now in the
00:25:47.960
matter of months. That is great. And that should be encouraged, not discouraged. And for some reason,
00:25:55.160
our health minister doesn't really seem to be focused on health when we're talking about nicotine
00:25:59.720
pouches. No, and it's just counterintuitive. I mean, we aren't seeing the secondary grief that's
00:26:05.880
happening. Again, if we talk about harm mitigation, when you mentioned hydromorphone,
00:26:10.040
which is a very dangerous, very strong drug in itself. I mean, they feel that it's less dangerous
00:26:13.960
than the street fentanyl or other drugs somebody is getting, fine. But the problem that's been
00:26:18.680
happening is that, of course, people will get their hydromorphone, they're trading it to their
00:26:23.400
dealer for fentanyl. And then the dealer is selling the secondary hydromorphone, they call it diversion.
00:26:29.240
It's actually creating new addicts. But there's been no secret secondary market of nicotine pouches,
00:26:34.920
to my knowledge. You know, I haven't seen a guy in a trench coat in a street corner offering any
00:26:38.520
nicotine pouches or patches for that matter. Well, they're actually there in 2018,
00:26:43.880
Health Canada issued a recall notice on products that a brand called White Fox, which are not
00:26:50.120
regulated by Health Canada. The illegal pouches, which are legal in other jurisdictions, they just
00:26:57.480
end up in Canada to be sold. That industry is going to boom now. Because the legal nicotine pouches are
00:27:06.520
going to only be one flavor, and are going to be exponentially harder to get. And so I think that
00:27:13.160
problem will get worse. It's not a question of like, what you'll have is you'll either have people
00:27:19.640
who use nicotine pouches go back to smoking. And that is not great. Nobody wants that. Or you're going
00:27:24.840
to have a scenario where they're going to find out ways to either order through the gray market online,
00:27:30.280
which exists, it's very prominent, or find stores that sell them, which exist. Anyone who uses them
00:27:39.240
probably knows where to get them. And so you're going to have the unregulated products boom, which
00:27:45.320
from a government perspective is completely defeats the purpose here. The products that Health Canada
00:27:50.920
approves are obviously the better ones for consumers to consume. And yet we've just created a situation
00:27:59.800
where the alternatives for these folks is going to be either going back to smoking or finding gray
00:28:05.880
market slash black market alternatives, none of which is a good scenario from the perspective of public
00:28:14.040
health or the health ministry. Yeah. And flavoring these wasn't trying to draw in kids or new addicts.
00:28:19.800
I mean, uh, you know, uh, uh, some sort of flavored pouch to go under your lip. If a kid wants
00:28:25.080
something sweet, they can buy candy. They can buy all sorts of things. Why would they reach for that?
00:28:29.800
But I mean, if I'm trying to quit, I don't want to stick something under my lip all the time that
00:28:32.920
tastes like a cigarette butt. The point is to make it desirable for me to prefer it over cigarettes.
00:28:38.200
And that's the point is the flavors are enjoyable for people trying to quit because they don't remind them
00:28:47.480
of smoking. And that's the, that's the best part for people who are trying to quit is they can get
00:28:52.680
something that's mint or berry or, um, or fruit flavored that doesn't taste like cigarettes at
00:28:59.640
all. They still get to consume nicotine, um, and, and try to wean off possibly nicotine altogether that
00:29:06.120
way. Um, but it's, yeah, it's just, it's all under the guise of protecting children. And the easy answer
00:29:13.320
would have been just age gating all nicotine products so that minors can't access them.
00:29:17.720
But for some reason, the health minister didn't want to do that. He wanted to target
00:29:21.560
just nicotine pouches. Again, I think just because he has a grudge because of who made them. Um, and,
00:29:28.440
and that is it. And the, the power that he now has, which a future health minister will have,
00:29:34.280
I always say to everyone, every power you give the government, if you are, uh, a liberal, uh,
00:29:40.680
imagine Pierre Polyev's health minister with that, with that power. Uh, if you're a conservative,
00:29:45.160
imagine Jagmeet Singh's health minister with that power. Um, if that makes you uncomfortable,
00:29:50.920
it's probably a bad law or a bad, uh, piece of a bad policy tool for the health minister to have.
00:29:59.320
Absolutely. I mean, they, they have enough authority as it, as it stands. It's just, uh,
00:30:03.720
yet another, uh, overreach on the government. There's so many of them, but I guess we can discuss it.
00:30:08.520
It's going to be hard to reverse anything until a government changes. If, and if they change
00:30:12.440
anything, once they get in, that's the thing, they don't tend to turn things back. Uh, well,
00:30:16.680
thanks for coming to explain, you know, what's, what's going on and some of the aspects of this,
00:30:20.440
uh, before I let you go, where, where can people find your work and what you've been up to?
00:30:23.240
Because I know you, you, you cover a lot of great stuff with, uh, consumer choice center.org
00:30:29.240
and leave pouches alone.ca. Uh, those, those are the, our main website and our campaign website
00:30:36.120
where we're talking about this and why, why and how it works. Great. Well, thanks for coming on,
00:30:41.320
David and, uh, lending some common sense to yet another bizarre, uh, federal government policy.
00:30:45.800
Hopefully we can, uh, hammer some sense into them so we can get on the more important issues down
00:30:50.040
the road. Of course. Thank you, Corey. Appreciate it. Thanks. Well, as David Clement, as I said,
00:30:55.080
from the consumer choice center and, uh, yes, he covers a lot of things as well as that subject
00:31:00.040
in itself. It's just counterintuitive. And, and again, you see, when we get interests getting
00:31:04.760
into healthcare that have nothing to do with the outcomes in health, that's when we get a problem.
00:31:11.880
And the activist background of our federal health minister seems to be more of what's motivating
00:31:16.200
his moves rather than trying to make things safer or better for people. So I'm kind of segueing that
00:31:20.680
into what I was talking about a bit before, which is the Alberta issue with, uh,
00:31:24.120
premier Smith trying to break up Alberta health services, that giant bloated bureaucracy and kind
00:31:30.120
of, as I was getting to before, uh, a hundred thousand employees under that bureaucracy,
00:31:34.520
90% of them are unionized. Look, that bureaucracy does not have patient interest in mind. And I'm not
00:31:41.560
saying that they're evil people who want patients to be harmed. No, that's not the case. But the thing is
00:31:47.080
their priorities start becoming themselves. It becomes how to, you know, keep the unions happy,
00:31:53.080
how to get more compensation, how to reduce your workload and the patient outcomes become secondary.
00:31:59.800
And it shouldn't be controversial. It shouldn't to consider having different management of
00:32:05.000
hospitals. I'm talking baby steps to getting into reforming our healthcare system. We need a heck
00:32:09.240
of a lot more. I tell you what, I think investors should be able to go down the street and build a
00:32:13.880
private hospital right in the middle of a residential area. If they can get the zoning permits for it and
00:32:17.720
go to town charging whatever they want for services. But I'm a libertarian. And that's the way I think.
00:32:21.800
I know a lot of other Canadians wouldn't accept that, but let's talk baby steps. Let's talk about
00:32:25.960
the current hospitals. Why can't we have private professionals administer them under regulation
00:32:33.880
and, uh, you know, try to bring these hospitals up to the best standard they can. Like I said,
00:32:39.160
make some of the compensation based on patient outcome and, uh, you know, getting that,
00:32:45.880
those outcomes in a reasonable cost because we're spending more on healthcare every year.
00:32:50.440
You'll listen to the NDP squawk and they squawk and you know, and then she squawks and oh boy,
00:32:56.200
we're underfunding it. No, we aren't. There is no province in Canada who has cut health spending,
00:33:02.120
none political suicide. No government will do it. They've never done it. They're spending more and more
00:33:08.440
and more and more. And guess what? The outcomes are getting worse in just about anything else in
00:33:13.960
the world. You would say, maybe we're going to try something different, but not here because again,
00:33:18.920
you get those bureaucracies like AHS, the only acceptable thing they support and the friends
00:33:23.960
of Medicare, again, I despise that. No, they're friends of unions guys. It's a union group.
00:33:27.640
Cut through the BS with these guys. All they will accept is pouring more money into it.
00:33:33.000
You don't fix it that way. You just add to the bloat. So Smith has actually had a bit of the
00:33:37.720
courage to start at least with baby steps. Something else is Dave mentioned. I wrote a
00:33:42.680
column on this and it went on to the Western standard today. And, uh, I like innovation.
00:33:47.880
Let's find other ways to fix stuff up. And, and something that's happened is supposed to open next
00:33:52.360
year. The Enoch reserve up by Edmonton has an orthopedic surgical center. They've been building
00:33:56.680
now for a year and a half. And you know what? A lot of people haven't heard of it. You want to know why?
00:33:59.480
Because the only thing that terrifies the left more than changing healthcare is conflict with
00:34:08.040
First Nations. They're chicken poop when it comes to them. So, I mean, they're not going to go up to
00:34:13.000
the Enoch reserve and tell the chief and the people, you aren't allowed to do that. You aren't allowed
00:34:17.080
to build this facility that's going to employ people on your reserve and bring funds into your reserve.
00:34:22.520
There's not a chance. They're way too cowardly to do that. So what have they done? They sat silently.
00:34:27.400
If that surgery clinic was being built, this is a big one. We're talking 3000 procedures a year.
00:34:32.280
If that was being built anywhere else, then she would be standing outside beating a
00:34:37.320
drum and screaming and howling about it's the selling of healthcare in the works. But guess
00:34:41.080
what? He's dead silent. And it's pretty rare when then she's silent on anything. I tell you
00:34:45.960
let's build more of them. Let's see it. Most of our major centers have a reserve nearby. Calgary has the
00:34:50.680
Sutina reserve nearby. They've been doing fantastic. They got a Costco with cheap gas because they get
00:34:54.520
exempted from the fuel taxes federally. They got car dealerships going in dollar stores,
00:34:59.320
you name it. And it's great for the reserve. It's great for consumers. You know what? I want
00:35:02.760
to see them build more. Let's build hospitals on reserves, private ones for profit. Yes. The P word.
00:35:09.960
And guess what? Maybe we'll get some people treated because let's quit BS and people are literally dying,
00:35:16.040
waiting for care, dying. That's been reported. Thousands are dying in Canada every year because we can't get
00:35:22.760
them in fast enough. Yet still stubbornly, some people are saying the system works. We just need
00:35:27.000
to give it more money. No, we don't. So if we can find cracks and ways to whittle and show that there's
00:35:32.680
better ways to do it, whether it's changing the management of some hospitals or even building new
00:35:36.040
facilities on reserves, let's do it. Ralph Klein, one of the regrets he said in the end, he always said
00:35:42.440
he backed off when it came to that third way health idea. He was looking to reform healthcare and
00:35:45.880
that's one of the areas he actually backed off and he said he regretted doing it. Smith has mentioned that
00:35:50.040
that before. I hope she remembers that. I hope she maintains the courage to take on those healthcare
00:35:54.360
zealots, those Puritans, those nut cases. And we can actually see some reforms and see some benefits
00:35:58.680
and maybe people will be finally inspired to change Canada's system. Because guess what, guys?
00:36:02.600
Our system sucks. And I don't care about the American system, by the way, before you bring it up.
00:36:06.120
Their system sucks too. There's dozens of systems around the world better than ours and it's about time
00:36:11.080
we utilize them. All right, I've been going on long enough. Let's go on about something else and turn to,
00:36:15.880
we got our business and energy specialist here. Sean Polzer in the room. How's it going, Sean?
00:36:21.160
Really well, Corey. How are you? I'm all right. I can tell. Yeah, the veins pulsing in my head.
00:36:25.800
I got lots to spew out. That is what makes me happy. It makes Jane happy at home too, because
00:36:31.080
good, the nut case is getting it out of the system. So he'll shut up when he gets here,
00:36:35.480
more at least a little bit. So we got some breaking news, Corey. Okay. Okay. So in the past few weeks,
00:36:40.920
we've had this warrior of anti-woke in Tennessee, Robbie Starbuck, and he's going up against the
00:36:48.920
corporate Titans and they've been crumbling at his feet, just the mere mention. So just less than 10
00:36:56.680
minutes ago, the latest, I don't know if you want to call it a victim. Do you want to take a guess?
00:37:04.280
Well, go for it. I think I might've heard, so I don't want to pop that balloon.
00:37:07.160
I was in the- Ford. Oh no, I'm wrong then. Okay, good. Ford Motor Company. They're going to drop
00:37:12.520
their human rights counts. That's the LGBTQ index. They're going to, you know, these 500 best places
00:37:21.000
to work. Apparently these companies, they just pay to get on those lists. So they're going to stop
00:37:25.080
doing that. Everything in the company is going to be merit. Employee resource groups are going to be
00:37:31.160
open to all employees regardless. And these are changes that are going to take place in all its
00:37:35.800
operations all around the world. Well, good. I mean, that trend, as you mentioned in Starbuck,
00:37:40.920
I mean, yeah, when you hear somebody raging against the corporations, people think, oh,
00:37:43.400
is this some leftist? Is this some, you know, person is going to, no, he's coming from just
00:37:49.320
pressuring these guys and exposing the ridiculous DEI trash that they've been consuming rather than
00:37:55.400
actually doing the business they're supposed to be in. Absolutely. And you know what? We've actually
00:37:59.240
been in contact. He was supposed to be here on the show like today. And unfortunately his wife
00:38:06.040
is having a baby and it's supposed to be a complicated pregnancy. So we're rescheduled for
00:38:10.680
September 11th, but we are going to get a live video feed with the man himself and get him to
00:38:18.840
provide his insights and maybe some things that we could do here in Canada. I'm sure we have a long
00:38:23.480
list of corporations. Absolutely. I'm sure the shareholders will be happy for it. I mean,
00:38:27.720
that's the bottom line. They're in business to make money and not to worry about pandering to
00:38:32.280
every little left wing cause and whatnot out there. Well, and this is what's happening is
00:38:37.160
these companies are doing it proactively because they're getting a bounce. You know what I mean?
00:38:43.480
Like their shares have been going down because of all this stuff. Then when they come out and they
00:38:47.320
proactively do this, like Jack Daniels, John Deere, Harley Davidson, you know, then they get kind of a,
00:38:55.720
you know, a residual out of it. It's almost like a positive news story for them and their shareholders.
00:39:00.600
Oh, good. It's going to see some positive stories for a change.
00:39:04.680
And in Alberta here, so German petrochemical giant Lind, they're one of the biggest petrochemical
00:39:11.400
companies in the world. They're going to be building a $2 billion hydrogen plant. I don't,
00:39:16.280
I don't know if you recall this Dow cracker. It's going to be the first net zero cracker in the
00:39:21.240
world. They announced it back in November, $6 and a half billion. So this is an adjunct onto that $2
00:39:27.800
billion to kind of feed that facility. And it's hydrogen and it's kind of a validation of Alberta
00:39:34.360
Premier Danielle Smith's, you know, hydrogen strategy. And it seems to be bearing fruit.
00:39:40.040
So along with that, are there subsidies going into this or is this just being drawn in for a good
00:39:45.240
It's not so much direct subsidy. So it's, it's not like these EV plants down east, but they are
00:39:51.480
getting some investment tax credits. So if you remember back in the old oil sands day, Ralph
00:39:58.040
had the, you know, as long as you kept on building things, then you could defer the royalties.
00:40:03.720
Yeah. And they had the brick program and a few other things too.
00:40:06.360
Yeah. So it's kind of similar to that. There's a petrochemical royalty
00:40:11.400
program. There's some direct investment credits from the federal government and then the Alberta
00:40:18.840
Okay. I just like to check, you know, cause I mean, I don't want to be too faced when I
00:40:23.640
rip into 50 billion going into a battery plant. Right.
00:40:26.840
If we were tossing 10 billion into this, you know, I'd say maybe it's not a good deal.
00:40:31.240
We're not going into the business of producing hydrogen. Cool.
00:40:33.800
We're not going into the business of being in business.
00:40:36.680
Yes. Exactly. Or the taxpayers shouldering that risk.
00:40:39.560
That's the important part. So yes, that is the important part. And going back to your little
00:40:43.880
take there on EVs, Trudeau finally put a hundred percent tariffs on Chinese made EVs.
00:40:52.120
So, and there's some dispute out there on whether or not it's actually a good thing because,
00:41:01.000
well, on his part, whether it's a coherent policy, because if your goal is to reduce emissions and you
00:41:07.800
want people to do the uptake on these so-called clean cars, then why wouldn't you want them buying
00:41:14.600
$20,000 Chinese? Does it really matter where they come from?
00:41:17.400
Well, that's it. And I've looked at that and I kind of laughed because I mean,
00:41:21.880
one of the biggest things that people mention on why they aren't going into EVs, they're expensive.
00:41:25.240
They cost more than a conventional vehicle. If you put this tariff on the Chinese ones,
00:41:30.120
it's going to raise the cost of EVs here. There's no getting around it. So what's your goal? Keeping
00:41:35.400
out foreign source cheaper vehicles or greening the world?
00:41:40.280
Well, no, what he's trying to do is protect all these $50 billion of subsidies that they've
00:41:45.000
already tossed out all these things that they're losing money at. So the goal isn't really to reduce
00:41:50.360
the emissions. The goal is to protect, you know, his little pet project there that he's already sunk
00:41:57.800
like tens of billions, like the indirect costs on this thing are probably closer to a hundred billion
00:42:04.360
Yeah. Well, it'll be interesting to watch where this goes. We're going to pay for it one way or
00:42:11.080
All right. Anything else breaking out there while I got you?
00:42:18.440
Oh yes. She's going to help us all detransition or some bloody thing.
00:42:22.520
Right. On the, on the day that the Norwegian state oil company announces like
00:42:27.800
six and a half billion dollars a year into its oil fields.
00:42:30.840
Yeah. They're expanding in the North Sea, but you know, you know, and the president says like,
00:42:35.960
do you think that the oil age is over here? Forget it. You know, nobody's going to stop us.
00:42:41.000
The environmentalists, nobody. And to put it in perspective, six and a half billion dollars is
00:42:45.480
probably a decent sized thermal oil sands plant in Alberta every year for the next 10 years.
00:42:51.000
Oh, Gondek. Well, she's just trying to figure out her exit strategy. I think
00:42:55.240
No, I think we've figured out the exit strategy.
00:42:57.480
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks. I'll let you get back to digging into those energy stories
00:43:04.200
All righty. And look forward to that Robbie Starbuck, man.
00:43:07.800
Cool. All right. That is Sean Pulser in energy. So yeah, lots of stuff going on. You know,
00:43:12.680
we're going to talk business. I'm going to talk a little more on the health. And I see
00:43:14.680
Wildrose popped in and you always do when we talk health. The American system sucks worse than ours.
00:43:19.480
No, it doesn't actually. People don't die waiting for it. But you know what? I don't care. I don't
00:43:23.320
care. It's intellectually lazy. And I expect better of you, Wildrose. It's lazy to pretend
00:43:28.520
there's only two systems. There's hundreds of systems. There's dozens of systems that are better
00:43:35.080
than ours. Quit the stupid discussion. And it is stupid to shut down discussions of changing our care
00:43:42.200
for fear of being the Americans. It's stupid. European and Asian systems are blowing us out of the
00:43:48.520
water. And yes, they allow profit, but it's regulated. You know, think of French hospitals,
00:43:55.560
for example. The way that sets up, you can set up a private hospital in France. You can build it.
00:44:00.360
You can get investors and you can do procedures and charge people for them. But a part of the
00:44:05.400
procedures have to be in the public system. You see, there's still universal coverage.
00:44:08.680
Nobody dies waiting for care. But yes, some people pay to get in faster. Guess what? You all get
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through faster. You all get better doctors. You all get better treatment. Suck up the envy. As I
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noticed you pointed out the other thing, but the rich people will just pay to jump the line. Guess
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what they already do? They already do. They fly to Vietnam. They drive to the United States. It happens.
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And they get treated by Canadian trained people sometimes. So let's look at the best systems.
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Which systems are working best? And there's lots of them. And let's emulate them. Let's look at them.
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But if you immediately dismiss any sort of change because profits are bad,
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then you're being dumb. You're dismissing solutions. And when you do that, we all suffer.
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Canada has that system. Guess which other countries share Canada's system? North Korea and Cuba. That's it.
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That's it. There's nowhere else in the world where it's actually illegal to give somebody healthcare
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for a price. It's ridiculous. Is it my body or not? Is it my wallet or not? Why should I not have the
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right to spend my money to get something done? Guess what? I do have the right. I just have to leave the
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country to do it. And it's not just rich people. It's desperate people. I mean, I'm not rich. But
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if I was told by a doctor, yeah, you're going to need this heart procedure in the next four months,
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or you're going to die. We'll schedule you in for seven months from now. And that's really kind of
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what's happening right now in Canada. What am I going to do? Sit here and say, oh, well, it's a
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bummer. I'm not allowed to buy it. I'll just die. No, I will remortgage my house. I will borrow from
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friends and family. I'll do everything I can. And I will cross the border and get it done anyways.
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So why don't we accept this reality and get the better care here? Let's quit closing our minds and
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snapping them shut every time when somebody talks about changing our system. Our system stinks.
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It stinks. Look online. Search it yourself. There's all sorts of ratings in different countries and
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healthcare systems. And Canada's is way, way far from the top, guys. Way from the top. And I don't care
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about the American system. I couldn't care less. As others mentioned on here, I saw the Swiss.
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We talk about Swedes. Let's talk about Taiwan. Let's talk about Singapore. They're all outperforming us,
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guys. And they all have universal care. That's the aspect everybody's talking about. Universal.
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That's the important part. You never get turned away for lack of money. We can have that. But we got to
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quit this idiocy of illegalizing private provision. It's dumb. And it's costing us. And it's time to get
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better. All right. That's enough out of me for today. I appreciate you tuning in. I do appreciate
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you, Wildrose. You're great. I just, we always differ on that healthcare one. So be sure to tune
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If the name Ted Byfield brings back fond memories, well, we got a party coming up for you guys.
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On September 25th, Toasting Ted is what it's called. It's going to honor a great conservative
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who published Alberta Report news magazine. It's going to be bagpipes, singing, live auction stakes,
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speeches by Premier Smith, Preston Manning, Stephen Harper, quite a lineup. The Western Standard is the
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the final incarnation or the latest incarnation of Alberta Report that Ted Byfield founded. And I
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mean, he was a great Albertan. He really made his mark on this province. And this, this evening of
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celebration for him is really going to be outstanding. You get there, toastingted.ca. That's the website.
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You can get your tickets. This one's going to sell out. I mean, again, if you want to see Smith,
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Manning, Harper, all in one spot, one night, be sure to get there.