Western Standard - November 02, 2022


IN FOCUS: Growing panic over interest rate hikes for homeowners


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In this episode, we take a look at how the Bank of Canada has been hiking interest rates to the tune of about 3.5% so far this year, and how those rate hikes, although designed to slow inflation, are directly affecting current homeowners and those who are looking to get into homeownership in the near future.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, I'm Melanie Rizdin with the Western Standard. Thanks for joining me for this edition
00:00:12.900 of In Focus. Homeowners, this one is for you. This evening, we're going to take a close look
00:00:18.120 at the several Bank of Canada interest rate hikes over 2022 to the tune of about 3.5% so far this
00:00:26.020 year and how those rate hikes, although designed to slow inflation, are directly affecting current
00:00:32.060 homeowners and those who are looking to get into homeownership in the near future. Joining me this
00:00:37.600 evening is Danielle DiMarco, a mortgage broker for 16 years and owner of Mortgage Line in Calgary.
00:00:43.900 Danielle, thanks for joining me. Thanks for having me. Now, according to a former Bank of Canada
00:00:49.920 governor, the current head of Canada's central bank, increasing key interest rates as quickly as
00:00:55.720 he did was the right decision. He said the rate hikes needed to keep inflation low came too slow
00:01:02.620 and according to an opinion piece in the Financial Post, the Bank of Canada should now pause rate
00:01:08.580 hikes and reflect. Just curious what your thoughts are on the idea behind these kinds of rate hikes
00:01:17.980 being how we're going to control inflation. Do you want to start there? Yeah, that's a good
00:01:25.140 place to start so essentially i mean the basic idea is that if we're charging more for interest
00:01:32.020 rates or the government is charging more and money is more expensive to borrow then typically we would
00:01:37.540 see people borrow less of it which then reduces and curbs spending which then brings down inflation
00:01:43.860 so that's kind of the the general idea behind it um obviously as mortgage brokers we would
00:01:50.260 love there to be some regulation on maybe outside spending credit cards things like that but of
00:01:55.860 course mortgages are much more easy to regulate for the government so that's where they tend to
00:02:01.540 do all of their regulations so when they are increasing the interest rates again idea is to
00:02:07.620 curb the spending which helps with inflation so it is the right idea um you know i was recently
00:02:12.340 listening to uh chief economist dr sherry cooper with dominion lending and she had the exact same
00:02:17.860 sentiment, which is these rate hikes needed to happen. The stress test needs to remain in place
00:02:23.700 in order to help curb that inflation. Now, looking at these rate hikes, just having a kind of
00:02:29.380 snapshot over the last kind of year and a half, those interest rates stayed the same for quite
00:02:36.900 some time. Looks like for a good chunk of last year, they didn't even move. But then we saw an
00:02:44.500 increase start to start to happen around march of 2022 and then it has been a steady increase
00:02:52.660 since then yeah so this year has been um one of the largest increases we've seen in a short term
00:02:59.780 obviously people are feeling it home buyers and homeowners are feeling it so about three and a
00:03:05.300 half percent increase kind of since the start of this year which translates as far as mortgage
00:03:10.100 rates go and we're talking about homeownership and payments between lenders and on average about
00:03:15.620 3.7 percent we've seen interest rates go up from the start of this year until now so as you can
00:03:22.100 imagine that has greatly affected home buyers and homeowners and i mean i think intuitively i think
00:03:30.660 most average people would look at it and say well how are we helping inflation by making the cost
00:03:36.740 of living even more by by you know ramming up the um the interest rates and then making you know
00:03:43.700 payments for for mortgages more expensive when everything else is more expensive the cost of gas
00:03:48.740 the cost of food you know how are people going to how are people going to survive this so let's kind
00:03:53.300 of map out how these rate hikes can and will affect current homeowners yeah for sure that's
00:03:59.860 a great question so um i always like to kind of divide it between home buyers and home owners
00:04:04.980 it's going to affect people differently as a home owner you will if you're on a variable rate
00:04:11.620 mortgage so keeping in mind a variable rate mortgage is the type of mortgage where as the
00:04:16.420 prime lending rate increases or decreases your interest rate that you're being charged by your
00:04:21.940 lender will increase or decrease and therefore your payment may depending on your product increase
00:04:26.740 or decrease so those people are the ones that are really feeling the the changes in the interest
00:04:31.940 rates here because we're seeing on average, and to give you a rough idea, the prime lending rate
00:04:38.620 changed October 26th. So the day before October 25th, as compared with October 26th, homeowners
00:04:44.780 would have seen again on average about a $30 per month increase for every $100,000 of mortgage
00:04:50.960 balance. So someone with a $400,000 mortgage, you're potentially seeing $120 a month increase
00:04:57.020 on your mortgage, which is a lot for some people. And obviously it just goes from there, the higher
00:05:01.520 the mortgage typically the you know you're going to see a higher increase um as for an actual home
00:05:06.400 buyer so let's say you're out there and you're in the market for a new home and you're house hunting
00:05:11.440 um which october 25th again that same date to october 26th so we're talking overnight
00:05:18.080 when we're talking about people purchasing they could actually spend 25 000 less on a new home
00:05:24.320 than they could the day before and again that's because as interest rates increase that stress
00:05:29.920 test rate that the government has set that says hey anybody who's qualifying for a mortgage we
00:05:35.440 need you to qualify at a higher interest rate just to make sure if in the events rate go up you can
00:05:41.120 still make your payments so as that goes up obviously the amount you can spend goes down
00:05:45.280 so we're seeing home buyers affected in one way with their mortgage payments and we're seeing or
00:05:49.840 sorry homeowners affected in one way with their mortgage payments and home buyers affected with
00:05:53.520 how much they can actually spend while they're house hunting right of course and so this has
00:05:58.560 been um you know quite a large jump in the span of less than a year as far as interest rates go
00:06:06.720 uh so somebody that say we're not looking at variable rates somebody who's locked in i know
00:06:11.520 for for us you know we have a locked in rate when it comes to the renewal of that rate
00:06:18.320 uh or the renewals of renewal of that mortgage we're going to see um you know a big jump in
00:06:24.080 interest rates from what we i'm pretty sure i have a mortgage that's probably locked in um you know
00:06:29.680 under three percent right now and when that comes up for renewal that's gonna be quite a big jump
00:06:35.600 to the interest rates of today uh so you know what what what can you say to homeowners who are
00:06:43.280 potentially facing that is there any strategies is there anything they can do yeah for sure so i mean
00:06:49.200 actually something i've implemented myself personally and i'm in this every day is i made
00:06:54.640 sure as soon as these rates started going up um even before actually but as soon as you can
00:06:59.840 changing your payment frequency is a great example so people who are paying monthly if you can afford
00:07:04.480 to pay accelerated bi-weekly or if you can afford to increase your payments at all during this time
00:07:09.840 while your rates are still lower that's going to help bring that principal balance down so when you
00:07:15.600 do come up for renewal at the end of the day hopefully your mortgage balance or not hopefully
00:07:19.760 it will be lower than what you were expecting so hopefully that combined with the higher interest
00:07:24.640 rate will help offset a little bit of that increase for you so kind of getting that mortgage
00:07:29.600 paid down as low as you can before you're coming up for renewal is a great option we've been talking
00:07:34.560 to a lot of clients who are taking some of their lump sums that they've had to set aside in savings
00:07:38.800 or gic's things like that putting those down against the mortgage to also same thing reduce
00:07:43.920 that mortgage balance right because well and we'll just clarify to any of those excess payments that
00:07:49.760 you make or those loans and sums and stuff go straight to the principal rather than the interest
00:07:55.600 correct 100 yeah so that directly brings your mortgage balance owing down so not only does it
00:08:01.120 save you on interest over time but like i said because the balance is going to be lower when
00:08:06.720 you come up for renewal your mortgage payment should technically you know be lower because
00:08:12.800 that mortgage balance is lower obviously lower than what it would be if you hadn't paid it down
00:08:18.240 we're still going to see increases i mean we'd be dreaming if we didn't think we were going to see
00:08:22.800 increases on renewal we typically do anyways but now that combined with higher rates we're
00:08:27.760 definitely going to see increases but we can offset it a little bit by pre-paying and then
00:08:31.920 something else we can do as well as when you're coming up for renewal it's really important to
00:08:35.680 discuss options don't just sign on that dotted line so it's really critical that you're looking
00:08:40.560 at all of the options of which one is extending out that amortization so maybe to lengthening that
00:08:47.360 a time of your mortgage that amortization that might lower your payments by even a couple few
00:08:52.000 hundred dollars a month to help offset that increase in interest rate so there's always
00:08:56.800 options there so just make sure you're talking to an expert so that you can explore all of those
00:09:01.360 options the last thing we want people to do is you know sign on a dotted line go into a fixed rate
00:09:06.720 when to be honest with you i'm sure you're going to ask me but we're we're kind of recommending
00:09:10.640 variable right now anyways um we don't want you to be stuck in a mortgage that has high penalties
00:09:15.040 high fees that you can't redo after you sign right yeah and you know what for a lot of um
00:09:21.600 new home buyers or people who are looking to buy a lot of this this terminology may not even make
00:09:27.040 sense for for amortization so amortization is for how long you've had your mortgage for
00:09:32.560 and so what you're saying is increasing that amortization when it comes to renewing your
00:09:37.520 mortgage means instead of you paying it down now maybe there's 10 years left owing on it but you
00:09:42.480 extend it to another 15 therefore kind of breaking up that that um that increase that would be kind
00:09:49.200 of hitting some people hard we're talking uh you know in in some cases you know six seven eight
00:09:54.960 hundred nine hundred thousand or sorry dollars more a month in a payment yeah
00:10:00.280 offset that by kind of relengthening how long you're going to pay that mortgage
00:10:06.120 down for exactly exactly extending out that length of your mortgage so we have
00:10:10.900 what's called a term typically you see like a three four five year term with
00:10:14.200 the mortgage but that amortization is what your payments based over and so
00:10:18.420 they standard amortization is 25 years but depending on your mortgage you may
00:10:22.640 able to extend it out to 30 so yeah your example is perfect someone who maybe has 10 years left
00:10:27.440 might want to consider extending out to 15 20 25 just to kind of combat the increase in interest
00:10:33.280 rates here for the next little bit and then wait when rates come down you can always again pre-pay
00:10:38.640 that mortgage to offset that longer amortization and pay it off quicker again well and i know again
00:10:44.640 for for sort of newbies coming to the to the table and trying to figure all of this out it's it's it
00:10:49.920 can be a lot to try and process so i know what was helpful for me early on was meeting with a
00:10:56.240 mortgage broker um you know even yourself danielle you're full of all sorts of options that can
00:11:03.760 really help um work out a a program or a mortgage or a you know a strategy that is best suited for
00:11:12.560 sort of each individual's situation yeah that's kind of what we pride ourselves on as mortgage
00:11:18.880 brokers is that we are listening to our clients we're asking you all of the right questions to
00:11:23.760 take into consideration what are your plans what are your goals you know do you want to pay your
00:11:28.720 mortgage down quickly is it a rental property so all of these questions are going to come into play
00:11:33.520 how long do you want to home own this home for that's going to help us decide okay do we take
00:11:38.080 a shorter term a longer term do we go fixed do we go variable you know are you comfortable with
00:11:43.360 payment changes are you a riskier investor are you more conservative investor so all of these factor
00:11:50.320 in and if you're not being asked those questions then that's kind of a red flag you want to make
00:11:54.000 sure you are being asked all of these questions so that that mortgage is being properly set up for
00:11:58.720 you and and again like you mentioned uh instead of signing on the dotted line so of course when
00:12:04.720 your mortgage with a bank it comes up for renewal you get sort of mortgage renewal documents and
00:12:09.520 it's sort of here's our standard rates and you know sign here and it's typically for a similar
00:12:14.800 term to what you've had or or you know you can select the terms but but without really understanding
00:12:19.840 the difference in in how quickly that's going to be paid down if you switch to to your bi-weekly
00:12:26.880 payments or even understanding like hey i can't afford this mortgage payment at this rate anymore
00:12:34.800 you know having that conversation about re-amortizing or extending that those conversations
00:12:41.760 are really um incredible and and uh you know speaking to somebody who knows what they're doing
00:12:47.840 is is obviously very helpful in a time like this where there's a lot of um you know homeowners and
00:12:55.040 new buyers that are really struggling to figure out they're almost panicking how are we going to
00:13:01.360 manage with interest rates this high yeah and we are definitely seeing some panic we're fielding
00:13:06.640 calls from people you know my rates going up to this my renewals this i can't afford my payment
00:13:11.120 so we are going through all of those strategies consistently on a daily basis with multiple people
00:13:16.400 right now so you know if you're thinking if anyone's out there thinking they're the only one
00:13:21.040 who's panicking you're not um you know and right now having that conversation with your broker
00:13:26.720 before you're coming up for renewal is a really great place to start so then we're getting ready
00:13:31.600 we can sometimes even renew a mortgage early and it's worth it because we can lower payments before
00:13:36.800 rates go up so there are tons of options out there nobody is expected to sift through them
00:13:42.080 all by themselves so definitely uh reach out chat with someone ask the questions have them ask you
00:13:48.080 the right questions and provide you some guidance right now we had a rate increase uh they did start
00:13:54.080 in march so we had a rate increase in march then in april june july september october the next
00:14:00.720 expected announcement is december 7th and as i mentioned um you know some are calling for the
00:14:07.200 bank of canada just hold your horses let's let's just kind of keep it where it is right now what
00:14:13.040 are your thoughts on that yeah so there's mixed reviews you're going to some see some people who
00:14:18.320 want you know there to be that hiatus and some that are saying no we still need to go a little
00:14:22.560 bit further to kind of curb this inflation bottom line is we're probably going to see another
00:14:28.720 increase in december um likely though hopefully around a quarter point so not as much as people
00:14:35.600 were maybe anticipating we just saw that half point recently a quarter point december and then
00:14:41.200 the talk is potentially between zero percent and half a percent next year so nothing hopefully
00:14:48.000 major next year and we might even see them take that hiatus next year um but yeah i would say
00:14:53.600 it's safe to assume that come december we're probably going to see another quarter point
00:14:57.760 increase here so what kind of rates are we looking at now for say you know like a regular five-year
00:15:03.440 term or what give me some idea of where we're sitting um and let's talk historically where
00:15:08.640 we've been yeah so um you know if we were to say i picked a few numbers here here for you just to
00:15:16.160 kind of see so in 2000 let's say in january of 2000 so we're talking about 22 years ago
00:15:22.480 we're looking around you know over eight percent about eight point three four percent three point
00:15:27.440 eight point three four percent on average for a fixed rate and six and a half for a variable
00:15:32.560 right fast forward to you know january of 2022 this year we're at we were at 3.44 for a fixed
00:15:41.120 and under two percent for a variable right that is a drastic difference and and one thing i always
00:15:46.960 like to kind of clarify for people is anybody that's only really relatively new to the housing
00:15:52.400 environment within let's say the last five years let's say first-time home buyers for example
00:15:56.880 they've come into a time where over the last few years we've seen an abnormally low interest rate
00:16:02.880 and that's not normal um or normal quote unquote for what we've seen historical averages are kind
00:16:08.160 of that mid high four percent range so where we're at now might be a little bit higher than average
00:16:13.360 but not much and where we're anticipating that we're going is kind of in that end of 2023
00:16:20.640 to 2024 we're going to start to see those fixed rates come down but we're still thinking we're
00:16:26.080 going to end in that mid four percent range so just to be kind of up front with everybody you
00:16:31.760 know that mid four percent range is is quite reasonable but yeah today october 2022 we're
00:16:38.000 around 5.64 on average for a five-year fixed and we're around five and a half percent average for
00:16:45.200 a five-year variable gotcha so speaking then to like you said millennials uh new home buyers those
00:16:52.400 who have yet to get into home ownership what kind of strategies you want to um to to point out or
00:16:59.760 have them focus on as far as as making plans to get into home ownership yeah so i would say one
00:17:07.600 big thing is really this word stands out to me is don't procrastinate um getting into the market
00:17:15.440 is better than sitting and waiting and waiting and waiting we saw just to give you an example
00:17:20.640 home buyers who went out house hunting september of 2021 as compared with today they're able to
00:17:28.720 spend 120 000 less on a new home on average just because of where interest rates started and where
00:17:35.360 they've come with that stress test rate for people who are waiting for the market trying to time house
00:17:40.880 prices and interest rates they actually outpriced themselves out of that style of home or home that
00:17:46.880 they wanted just by waiting so i would encourage home buyers to you know just go for it uh you
00:17:54.400 can't time the market perfectly we are going to see rates come down likely in 2023 end of into 2024
00:18:01.920 so you know we kind of talk about this all the time but fixed or variable which is better and
00:18:07.200 and right now if you can ride out the variable rate and you're comfortable with it then you
00:18:11.680 could purchase a home get into the market get your equity build up right as house prices are
00:18:16.880 continuing to remain stable or possibly even increase but you're paying down your mortgage
00:18:21.280 and not somebody else's and then we do come up for renewal like we mentioned earlier you know
00:18:26.720 or when you're you're seeing these rates come down in 2023 and 2024 that's when you might call your
00:18:32.880 broker back and say okay should i lock in now to a fixed rate so at least you're not missing that
00:18:37.680 year and a half and two years of home ownership equity build up and debt pay down so i would say
00:18:43.520 don't procrastinate is one of my biggest strategies for for millennials or anybody really that's just
00:18:48.320 trying to get into a home i'm sure it's probably um changed the focus for new buyers as well and
00:18:55.600 when we're talking about what they can qualify for i know for quite some time here with the very low
00:19:00.480 interest rates um apartments condos things like that were sort of just kind of crickets right
00:19:06.160 like people were were sort of skipping over those because the interest rates were allowing them to
00:19:11.680 be able to get into homes with yards and garages and things like that but are we are we likely
00:19:17.440 going to see a difference there then yeah absolutely and we already have so um you know
00:19:23.440 housing markets are showing that condo purchases and townhouse purchases are steadily increasing
00:19:29.520 they've even jumped a little bit some would say and that is exactly like you said it's because
00:19:35.040 that stress test rate has increased so much it's affected home buyers qualifying ability
00:19:40.480 so really that's the price point that they're able to get in at whereas before we were you know 100
00:19:46.160 120 000 more you could get into that single family home so yes the condo market the townhouse market
00:19:52.560 we're definitely going to continue to see a rise in that market and you know just for anybody that's
00:19:57.920 out there supply is still low i mean we've seen all across the board but as it pertains to the
00:20:02.560 housing market supply is low and there's still that demand and calgary is a phenomenal city
00:20:08.400 speaking you know specifically to calgary we are significantly lower priced than the vancouver and
00:20:13.440 the Toronto and we are much more affordable we've got tech companies setting up shop that are going
00:20:19.520 to create thousands of jobs over the next couple of years we've got the oil industry you know our
00:20:24.800 economy is going to remain strong so we don't really see house prices coming down that much
00:20:30.320 per se so what does that mean it means that if you're going to wait to time interest rates but
00:20:35.360 rates are going up over the next year year and a half and house prices are remaining stable you're
00:20:40.480 going to continue to outprice yourself and continue to lower the amount that you can spend as a house
00:20:45.840 hunter right well and speaking of you know supply versus demand and the fact that uh that condos and
00:20:53.040 apartments and and whatnot were sort of uh low demand before um would you say there's sort of
00:20:59.520 ample ample opportunity for the pickings there um at this stage yeah i mean i would say there's
00:21:05.440 definitely a decent supply of condos out there and townhouses out there and so that allows home buyers
00:21:11.520 to be a little bit picky and to make sure they're getting what they want in that price range but
00:21:16.240 again coming back to what you mentioned before as far as strategy goes i would say just get into the
00:21:20.880 market right if a condo is where you're going to start that's great it's a starting point and you
00:21:26.160 can move on from there down the road and move up as as interest rates maybe come down and as your
00:21:31.760 incomes increase and as time goes on but again at least you're building up that equity you own that
00:21:36.880 asset and you're paying down your own mortgage not someone else's absolutely yes i i would say
00:21:41.680 strategy wise getting out of the rental market getting into home ownership uh you you will
00:21:46.560 always be putting money in back into your own pocket uh at the end of the day yeah exactly
00:21:52.880 all right well my so my suggestion for for those of you that are looking to purchase something new
00:21:59.200 or even have questions, you're a little bit concerned about when your mortgage is coming
00:22:04.200 up for renewal. And hey, you can always talk to a mortgage broker about renewing early,
00:22:08.520 if that makes sense. I mean, there's times when it does, maybe times when it doesn't.
00:22:12.680 But I think the key for advice from me and, you know, from my experience with homeownership is
00:22:19.380 talk to a mortgage expert, talk to somebody who can walk you through all of these different
00:22:25.440 scenarios that may make sense for you absolutely relying on an expert is critical yeah all right
00:22:32.480 well danielle will include uh some contact information for you as well but if you you
00:22:37.520 know if you have been working with a mortgage broker i highly recommend make some phone calls
00:22:41.840 get some questions answered make sure that you're well advised before you you make any moves but
00:22:47.920 also you know in preparation if you are looking to purchase a home thanks danielle for joining
00:22:53.040 me and sharing some of your insights into this climate that we're moving through. Again,
00:23:00.320 millennials probably not used to seeing interest rates like this. Some of us were alive when
00:23:05.840 interest rates were much higher. So I guess we should be thankful that they're nowhere near
00:23:11.600 where they could be. Exactly. And thanks Mel for having me. I really appreciate it. All right. Thank
00:23:16.560 Thank you.