Western Standard - Is this the End-DP？

00:00:00.000 half of young Canadian women say they're putting off kids because they can't afford them but

00:00:08.880 Mark Carney wants 100 million people not for families for the machine no homes no hope and

00:00:17.880 no future just growth at any cost not to build Canada but to change it

00:00:30.000 Good day.

00:00:57.340 Today is April 23rd,

00:00:59.160 2025. I am Derek Fultebrandt,

00:01:01.240 publisher of the Western Standard, and you're

00:01:03.280 watching The Pipeline.

00:01:05.260 I'm joined, as always, by

00:01:07.140 Western Standard senior, not senior

00:01:09.220 goals, opinion editor,

00:01:11.100 Nigel Hannaford. I am

00:01:13.000 the opinion editor. There is no juniors.

00:01:15.780 I am here.

00:01:17.020 And I would not deign to call you a senior.

00:01:18.680 And I am...

00:01:20.380 Well, I don't know.

00:01:23.840 But we do have an official senior

00:01:27.060 here, Senior Alberta Colmas, 0.54

00:01:29.160 Cory Morgan.

00:01:30.320 Hello, senor.

00:01:31.520 All right.

00:01:32.860 Now, we've also got, she's been on with us a few times now, and we've just said, screw it.

00:01:37.800 We're going to make her a regular member of, or co-host of the Pipeline here, Erica Baroutes, 1.00

00:01:46.320 Department Head of the Applied Politics and Public Affairs Program at McAmey College in Edmonton, Alberta.

00:01:54.160 Well, officially welcome as our newest co-host.

00:01:57.640 Yeah, I'm excited to be here and that you didn't call me a senior, so we're off to a good start.

00:02:02.080 You're the only one who did not get called a senior.

00:02:03.880 I know.

00:02:04.620 All right, senior.

00:02:07.400 So we're going to talk about the debate that took place last week.

00:02:12.500 Much of you have already seen it or you've seen the clips of it and heard some things,

00:02:15.380 but now that we got a little distance from the debate, we want to kind of zoom out,

00:02:20.340 talk about what happened and also the complete breakdown of order and any ability to reasonably

00:02:29.760 inform the public uh that came from the debates commission uh the controversy of some independent

00:02:36.420 media versus some of the legacy media we're going to talk about that now that we've had some time

00:02:40.660 to breathe and digest it all we're gonna talk about um the liberal platform talk a bit about

00:02:46.500 the conservative platform, but primarily the liberal one, which Mark Carney is running on.

00:02:51.280 As it turns out, it was written by the Liberal Party before he was the leader. In fact, it was

00:02:57.920 written while Justin Trudeau was the leader. They've just taken it and cranked, taken Trudeau's

00:03:02.760 platform and cranked it up to 10 on a few things and made a couple of nips and tucks for some of

00:03:06.400 the less popular parts like the carbon tax. And is this the end DP? That's my dad attempt at joking

00:03:15.680 about the potential complete collapse and destruction of the NDP as an electoral force

00:03:21.540 in this election. Projections have them on track for the worst showing in that party's history,

00:03:27.440 potentially, next week. All right, let's get into it. We're going to begin with Erica.

00:03:35.960 Erica, the debate sucked. I put it to you. Yeah, I mean, I think we're done. I think that

00:03:42.560 captures it perfectly. So if people didn't watch us do our debate pre and post, which I was,

00:03:49.840 you know, sitting with you gents from afar in Edmonton, or if Derek, what you said at the

00:03:56.080 start of the show made no sense to anyone, which is me half the time, I will give a quick synopsis

00:04:00.640 of kind of what happened. So there was obviously the debate. I think Steve Pagan is the winner of

00:04:06.720 the debate he ended up being a very fair moderator unfortunately as you alluded to the

00:04:14.080 debate commission i think kind of went rogue and screwed up a lot of opportunity for media what you

00:04:20.960 were talking about before is that on the first night last wednesday we had the french debate

00:04:26.320 and rebel news managed to get the the spots at the beginning of the podium which was totally fair

00:04:32.400 However, they, you know, was argued by some of the mainstream and other individuals there that, you know, let's let's kind of play nice and and have more order and more discrepancy about like who who can be at those podiums.

00:04:44.680 So long and short, it did kind of cause a frouhaha that we focused on last week because of like, why can the commission just all of a sudden deem a security breach at the end of the English debate and not have media outlets ask questions of the candidates like they did the night before?

00:05:04.820 So last minute, they kind of pulled the rug out from all the media individuals that had been there, including Jen, who had been there all day to stand in line to get their fair question and to do what the media is supposed to do, which is report.

00:05:18.380 And so I think that that actually, you know, maybe gave the most color besides Francois Blanchet to the debate.

00:05:24.500 Otherwise, I think that the popcorn that we were all eating while watching was the most entertaining part of that overall debate.

00:05:31.280 I would challenge Erica

00:05:35.280 on the fair part of that

00:05:37.100 for Rebel News

00:05:38.520 you know I'm a fan of

00:05:41.380 a lot of what Ezra and the Rebel do

00:05:43.380 but they were able to take

00:05:45.400 I think four to five of the

00:05:47.240 very limited number of question

00:05:49.160 slots after the French debate

00:05:51.200 I

00:05:52.980 haven't actually asked Ezra this

00:05:55.280 particular question but what I've read

00:05:57.040 and I'm taking that skeptically but from what I've read

00:05:59.360 they were able to get that because they declared

00:06:01.200 themselves to be like four or five different divisions so different technically different

00:06:04.740 media companies uh i don't think that should have been allowed i think whatever your parent

00:06:10.760 company it's just one like the western standard shouldn't be allowed to send western standard

00:06:15.260 alberta report saskatchewan standard west coast standard no just western standard all together

00:06:19.500 post media can't send national post uh calgary herald you know and i guess i guess my question

00:06:26.980 dark phoenix and i agree with all that except i don't know how the rules were clearly just

00:06:34.980 they were just stupid yeah they were stupid rules and they played by it and i get how that irks some

00:06:39.940 people i was irked because we had jen hodgson there she didn't get to ask a question uh you 1.00

00:06:45.220 know uh it was just rebel there was uh some of the other independent uh conservative leaning ones as

00:06:49.460 well. They were stupid rules. And the rebel played by the stupid rules had won.

00:06:56.660 They leveraged the rules to their benefit.

00:06:58.900 Yeah. So I don't blame the rebel. I don't think it was fair, but I don't blame the rebel because

00:07:03.540 they just won under those stupid rules. But then it was the second night, the legacy media,

00:07:11.700 I should say the media, the legacy media guys in the media room were outraged, Corey. And they

00:07:19.460 I mean, we already talked about it, played some of the footage,

00:07:22.620 but they ended up in a, there was a screaming match 0.90

00:07:24.980 from one of these, a Hill Times reporter.

00:07:27.480 Anyone remember his name?

00:07:28.840 No, he's not that.

00:07:30.080 Very important.

00:07:31.100 But anyway, he was screaming, losing his mind first

00:07:34.140 at Kian Bextian from Juno and Counter Signal,

00:07:37.900 and then at Ezra LeVant.

00:07:41.760 And then I guess they just decided, like, I told Jen Auterson,

00:07:46.040 you're literally going to stand at the front of that line

00:07:47.800 and camp there all day like it's you're getting tickets to kiss in 1978 or something and she did 0.91

00:07:54.040 she wasn't born yet not it was i but it's kids come on uh me neither but i'm not a senior so

00:08:04.220 i don't need to disclose that yeah but um you know i i guess the debate commission saw that

00:08:11.120 the independent media were lining up again again i we were only there for one question i think that's

00:08:15.820 fair. We should have been allowed. One question. I think the

00:08:17.780 rebel should have absolutely been allowed

00:08:19.780 inquiry, but

00:08:21.080 the rebel, I mean,

00:08:23.780 I guess played by the rules

00:08:25.640 a little too clever by half, and

00:08:27.380 the debate commission lost its mind

00:08:29.640 over it. It just cancelled it the second day.

00:08:32.640 Yeah, it showed them

00:08:33.480 incapable, I guess, of trying to come up with a new set of rules

00:08:35.620 on the fly. I mean, I think

00:08:37.340 quickly enough, somebody should have realized the errors

00:08:39.520 made during the French debate

00:08:41.020 and just said, look, we've got to get this sorted

00:08:43.580 out. One question per outlet.

00:08:45.820 And then we can rotate and perhaps you'll get through to a second one or run with a draw.

00:08:49.820 It's not that hard if you've got the will, but when you get bureaucratic type groups,

00:08:53.120 they can't make decisions on the fly or change something when they've already written it up.

00:08:57.300 Corey, all they needed was a deck of cards.

00:08:59.420 Yes.

00:08:59.820 Everybody took top spades starts.

00:09:02.200 There you go.

00:09:02.680 Because otherwise, if you did do a lineup, I could see the fights getting worse.

00:09:06.380 I could see it if they see that it's stacked again with a bunch of one particular outlet over another in the front.

00:09:11.520 And people who, in good faith, legacy or not, came to get a question in and realizing they're not going to make it to the front of this lineup.

00:09:19.720 Plus the fact that they allowed the questioners to put in lecturing preambles.

00:09:24.740 Yeah, there were some of them, some of them, not all of them, but some of them had a bit of a monologue.

00:09:29.040 And again, as a viewer, I was frustrated with that.

00:09:32.120 Look, I'm viewing, I understand a slant that an outlet's going to come from and that you want to give a bit of a preamble.

00:09:38.300 But if you're going to spend, you know, four minutes getting to the point on a question, I want to hear from the answer, not the questioner.

00:09:45.480 But again, these things should have been able to change on the fly.

00:09:48.080 Instead, they just thought the easier thing to avoid conflict there is just to pull the plug on the whole works.

00:09:52.380 And maybe four years from now, we'll try something again.

00:09:54.600 It was a terrible failure on their part.

00:09:56.480 Nigel, I, you know, I kind of parted away from a lot of, you know, conservative leaning types with the establishment of the Debates Commission,

00:10:06.120 because i i think uh leaving it to just the legacy media big networks has got its own set

00:10:13.540 of perils it tends to be more arbitrary the rules about who's in and who's out change every time

00:10:18.520 so you wouldn't want to leave it to the whole times to decide no certainly not uh those are

00:10:23.040 not the people who should be deciding but uh you know we have uh you know so like the rules about

00:10:30.560 who's in and who's not is so arbitrary uh and sometimes they make sense sometimes they don't

00:10:35.780 makes sense i thought well okay the the debates commission uh will be imperfect but at least we

00:10:43.640 can establish some consistency at least between elections so like here's the benchmark to make

00:10:47.740 it in do you have to elect someone first you have to have a certain number of mps first i'd be

00:10:52.500 polling above a certain amount whatever it is now they they seemed to tweak those rules from time

00:10:57.400 to time to ensure that the green party is in and the ppc is out uh but at least it was it was more

00:11:04.220 consistent, at least for inclusion

00:11:05.940 or exclusion,

00:11:07.620 than having the old networks do it.

00:11:10.420 But it came with its own set of problems.

00:11:12.220 It's become more bureaucratic now,

00:11:14.580 which obviously happens when you put it

00:11:16.240 in the hands of government.

00:11:17.940 Is there a preferable... Which is better?

00:11:20.220 Just taking it back to the networks?

00:11:22.420 The McLean's debate, by itself

00:11:24.280 in 2015,

00:11:27.440 Paul Wells,

00:11:28.540 I think, hosted that one.

00:11:29.920 That was a good, informative debate.

00:11:32.560 That was just one outlet, so you didn't have

00:11:34.040 bunch of cooks in the kitchen every every network trying to get their airtime so to speak um i don't

00:11:40.120 know is it time to abolish the debates commission reform it uh or continue on all right i just i

00:11:46.760 just think it's time for them to do a better job i had a look at their website to see exactly what

00:11:51.720 we were dealing with here and there are a number of retired politicians who are the sort of the

00:11:58.440 governing board as it were and then you they have a staff of three that's quite a lot of people

00:12:04.840 to actually sit around the table and say how are we going to do this in a way that is fair

00:12:11.160 to the candidates and also to the media and perhaps consult with some of the media

00:12:19.320 including the independent media and say well what would work i mean i was making a facetious

00:12:25.800 comment about a pack of cards well actually it's not that bad that would have done better than what

00:12:31.560 they did it's perfect but it'd be better yeah so uh it's uh there's a there's eight

00:12:39.560 clever people some of whom are well paid for being there they should be able to fix this and

00:12:46.440 it just takes a good look at that footage from the other night they'll see why i also think if

00:12:53.080 If we're going to keep the Debates Commission, and I know a lot of people are saying get rid of it, probably get rid of the people on the commission.

00:13:01.660 At the very least, we've got a clean house from it.

00:13:04.140 And I'm sure not everybody there is bad, but I think this is such an epic gargant.

00:13:09.000 Everybody on all sides of the political spectrum agreed this was a total, complete failure.

00:13:13.660 Not even talking about the debate itself.

00:13:15.320 Its format was, I mean, it was for tiny, little soundbites.

00:13:21.020 Well, we already get that on social media.

00:13:22.200 This was for something a little more long form, more interactive, where you're going to be testing under fire these leaders in a form, because none of the leaders do big, outside of French media, where it's still important, none of the major leaders have done a sit-down accountability interview where they're really tested.

00:13:41.220 at Adeklis Polyev, Carney.

00:13:43.620 I can't speak to Singh because no one pays attention to him anymore.

00:13:46.840 But the two big guys, they haven't really been tested in a long form sit-down interview

00:13:51.980 where they're really held to the fire.

00:13:54.640 This was the opportunity for that, and they missed it.

00:13:58.420 But at the very least, I think we need new commissioners.

00:14:00.500 And it can't just be appointed by the prime minister, for God's sakes.

00:14:04.360 It shouldn't even just be appointed by a simple majority of parliament.

00:14:06.540 This kind of thing should have a super majority of parliament 0.99

00:14:10.340 where you've got at least the government

00:14:11.640 and the official opposition both buying in,

00:14:14.920 agreeing together on who's going to be on this commission.

00:14:18.260 It's got to be so far above reproach.

00:14:20.440 Not that I'm accusing it of necessarily being partisan,

00:14:23.280 but there was not bipartisan or multi-partisan buy-in here.

00:14:28.840 What do you think, Erica?

00:14:29.840 Should we throw it out?

00:14:31.940 Just kick it back to the networks?

00:14:34.120 Keep it the commission or something else?

00:14:37.060 Yeah, I mean,

00:14:37.640 i don't know how many people actually paid attention and this is one where you're like

00:14:42.220 this is time to pay attention i agree that we're missing kind of those editorial board style

00:14:47.720 of interviews that give that long-form content and now that we have technology just air those

00:14:53.320 um a little bit different than these debates because you're right they were really catered

00:14:58.700 to the attention deficit disorder that our entire nation uh probably struggles with in like these

00:15:04.960 quick soundbites as opposed to letting them kind of go at it and what i was hoping to see was how

00:15:09.960 both pierre and mark would get under and respond under pressure because i think that that was also

00:15:17.880 to differentiate for them and these setups and how we've seen them over the last little while

00:15:23.860 for the front runners it's about just not losing support i don't think anyone is winning in in

00:15:29.560 debates in their their current structure and to be frank like i think a lot of people already voted

00:15:34.240 already knew how they were going to vote so you know i don't know i i'm i'm starting to lose the

00:15:40.380 sense of do people actually care do they actually listen in this one we would think but even the

00:15:45.860 the viewership or the influence of the undecided was maybe not going to be you know weighing as

00:15:52.800 much as we'd hope so if if it's about tax saving tax dollars i'll say get her out of there i you 1.00

00:16:00.240 know what when it comes to elections it's not really about tax dollars they're going to be

00:16:03.760 expensive no matter what, although

00:16:05.940 in the grand scheme of a federal budget, they cost

00:16:07.840 nothing. So, I think

00:16:09.720 it's about doing it right, regardless of what the

00:16:11.820 cost is. I'd also

00:16:13.920 note, if we're going to have

00:16:15.320 a debate, we should have more than one.

00:16:18.420 And because, or sorry, I guess

00:16:19.880 technically two, but, you know, as

00:16:21.820 we talked about previously,

00:16:23.740 the French debate

00:16:25.860 is a de facto Quebec

00:16:27.740 debate, where the bloc leader gets to play host

00:16:29.900 to the thing.

00:16:32.160 He's almost like a co-moderator in a sort of unofficial way.

00:16:36.980 We should have maybe some regional debates.

00:16:39.760 Let's have...

00:16:40.300 Let's have why shouldn't Alberta... 1.00

00:16:43.060 Yeah, do Western issues.

00:16:44.980 They know when everyone needs to cover those.

00:16:47.320 Well, you know, we could have a BC debate.

00:16:48.780 I mean, BC, interior BC is more like us, but it's different issues.

00:16:52.800 So let's have a BC debate.

00:16:54.300 Let's have a prairie debate.

00:16:56.600 I mean, I've tried one for all three of the prairies, but fine.

00:17:00.560 a prairie debate uh an ontario debate an atlantic debate because quebec already gets its own debate

00:17:05.920 unofficially here so let's just do that and then we can you know maybe then a truly national debate

00:17:11.280 after we're not into the minutiae but let's let's have some it's a the defining characteristic of

00:17:17.440 canada is regions and regionalism we've already got a debate for that for quebec let's do it for

00:17:24.160 everybody else cabal let's have a debate and not just a recitation of talking points that we've

00:17:29.200 already heard from the campaign trail well they're all going to try and do that all party leaders

00:17:33.560 because that's generally what works it's always worked and it's even more so in the era of

00:17:38.060 of social media you know everyone's interrupting each other traditionally that was so you could

00:17:42.420 interject uh a lot of people i think have wisely noted uh before i'm saying it here that the

00:17:49.660 interruptions primarily from jay meeting but also from others during the debate were not actually

00:17:54.840 to interject your point

00:17:57.060 or interrupt. It was to wreck each other's

00:17:59.260 social media clips. So if

00:18:00.840 one of the candidates is going on a rip,

00:18:03.080 about to give a good zinger,

00:18:04.940 Jamie goes,

00:18:05.520 it wrecks their social media clip.

00:18:08.900 And that's all it's about.

00:18:10.360 This is already, social media defines the election.

00:18:13.420 Let's make this debate about something else.

00:18:15.280 A little more time, a little more interaction,

00:18:16.980 rather than just more social media clips for this.

00:18:20.340 Okay.

00:18:22.720 Let's

00:18:23.160 turn to the platforms here.

00:18:27.080 If we have time, we can talk about the conservative platform.

00:18:30.620 But let's

00:18:31.420 I want to zero in on the

00:18:33.460 liberal platform here. The liberals

00:18:35.660 have admitted

00:18:36.480 that this platform was actually

00:18:39.300 written, at least in most part.

00:18:41.380 I'm not sure if it was down to the last

00:18:43.300 T and I crossed and dotted.

00:18:45.740 But it was, this platform

00:18:47.320 was essentially constructed

00:18:49.200 and approved before

00:18:51.340 Mark Carney actually became Liberal leader, so it was written

00:18:53.440 while Justin Trudeau was still Liberal leader

00:18:55.320 and Prime Minister.

00:18:58.420 My guess is there's

00:18:59.460 obviously been some nips and 1.00

00:19:01.600 tucks here because the carbon tax

00:19:03.560 is no longer in the Liberal

00:19:05.360 platform. It's now just going to be, well, something

00:19:07.460 else. I don't know. Alberta

00:19:09.400 is going to pay slash industry,

00:19:11.160 capital gains, etc. But for the most part,

00:19:13.300 it is still the Trudeau platform, Nigel.

00:19:15.420 Absolutely.

00:19:17.020 And it is foolish to think

00:19:19.300 it would have ever been anything else because

00:19:21.080 these things take a long time to put together.

00:19:24.140 The old famous liberal red book

00:19:25.920 that characterized the campaigns in earlier years,

00:19:30.220 they went into production on that

00:19:31.600 10 months before the next election was expected.

00:19:35.960 It's a big document.

00:19:37.340 You're not going to turn it out in an afternoon.

00:19:39.420 So it is very important, however,

00:19:42.460 for the Liberal Party to make you think

00:19:45.200 that this is something the best that Carney

00:19:48.720 has had his hands on, and it's new, therefore,

00:19:52.960 because everything about Mr. Carney...

00:19:56.700 Mr. Carney is the only new thing in the liberal campaign.

00:20:02.120 The same people are running for seats.

00:20:04.460 The same people, if elected, will end up in cabinet,

00:20:07.880 not necessarily in the same positions,

00:20:09.720 but it's the old gang.

00:20:11.680 The only one that's missing is Justin Trudeau.

00:20:14.220 so you know like you put a new operating system into your computer and the thing works

00:20:20.700 differently so they kind of slid mr trudor slid mr carney in but it's the same thing it's not

00:20:26.540 it's not even a different operating system it's a different screensaver

00:20:29.660 if you want to get to beat your analogy uh up a little further you know the viewers should

00:20:35.260 understand that when we have off times we sit around talking computers in the in the in the

00:20:39.420 western standards so no yeah absolutely and the ones who understand it because they were there

00:20:45.340 when it started so anyway look um of course the uh the announcement and what there's one aspect

00:20:54.940 in which it is different and this was brought out by the canadian taxpayers federation in saskatchewan

00:21:00.620 i hadn't noticed this until i saw it in theirs the the original trudeau document

00:21:07.900 called for about $100 billion less in borrowing than what Mr. Carney is now proposing. Mr. Carney

00:21:15.260 is proposing $225 billion in new borrowing over four years. It's $100 billion more than what

00:21:26.860 mr trudeau's plan would be but let's sink in first in 2015 they had they they inherited

00:21:36.620 a federal debt of 600 billion dollars fair enough then over the next 10 years they doubled that debt

00:21:44.780 they'll blame covet but of course there were other considerations including just reckless

00:21:49.980 of venturing with the public money so mr carney comes on the scene after this party has at doubled

00:21:58.380 the federal debt and now he wants his own borrowing tranche and he is proposing another 225 billion

00:22:09.580 these people don't know that's a big thing on budget well that would be that would be the

00:22:15.340 The Liberal Party has never once in 10 years stayed on budget, not once.

00:22:19.460 So just like this, it's a contrast, isn't it?

00:22:22.800 Mr. Trudeau, when he campaigned in 2015, said, well, we'll have three $10 billion deficits

00:22:28.980 in balance in the fourth year.

00:22:30.700 Small.

00:22:31.000 This is Stingwell.

00:22:32.640 Mr. Carney goes out there and promises $225 billion over four years, not $30 billion,

00:22:40.040 225 and bless my soul 130 billion dollars in the first year like where do all these zeros come

00:22:48.220 from this is a banker we're all being told this is a banker you can put him in charge he knows

00:22:53.740 what he's doing lord knows he tells us all the time that he knows what he's doing he understands

00:22:58.880 the world well his understanding of the world is when you want to do big things you don't

00:23:04.440 borrow big money. The bankers

00:23:06.540 will love this, Corey.

00:23:08.720 But I guess

00:23:10.360 Justin Trudeau

00:23:12.280 is wildly unpopular,

00:23:14.600 which is why the Liberals

00:23:15.960 at long last

00:23:17.740 finally got rid of the guy.

00:23:21.600 But do

00:23:22.460 people care that this is

00:23:24.420 Justin Trudeau's platform? A little bit

00:23:26.440 of tinkering around the edges, really. This is

00:23:28.400 at its core

00:23:29.600 written by and signed off by

00:23:32.180 Justin Trudeau. People don't like

00:23:34.420 him, but are they going to care?

00:23:36.420 Because you've got the same team, you've got the

00:23:38.400 same MLAs, the same cabinet, the same

00:23:40.460 advisors, and now the same platform.

00:23:43.060 None of it's stuck so far

00:23:44.200 to Carney.

00:23:46.100 Do people care? I don't know.

00:23:48.160 It's not indicated in the polls so far that

00:23:50.340 they care that much. I don't know if the

00:23:52.280 average citizen has made the

00:23:54.240 connection and realized that when you have

00:23:56.220 a grossly overspending and

00:23:58.360 borrowing government that's going to devalue

00:24:00.420 your currency, that that's what's

00:24:02.360 hitting your cost of living. That's what's making

00:24:04.240 it difficult for you to pay your bills. I don't know if the average citizen has made that connection.

00:24:09.260 So when they put that new coat of paint on that old horse, it seems to have worked. And it's

00:24:15.260 frustrating. They're taking it on faith. Well, he's a banker. He knows what he's doing. Well,

00:24:19.360 that budget says he doesn't. Or that he knows what he's doing, but he doesn't care what the

00:24:23.100 impact of it is, which is even worse. And I don't know what it takes anymore. I don't know what kind

00:24:29.780 of fiscal kick in the butt Canadians need to get. As you pointed out, if anybody's benefiting from

00:24:34.620 this, it's the bankers. Yes, they love lending money because that's how they make money. You

00:24:39.960 shuffle numbers, you take a percentage off of the top and you do really well out of it. That's how

00:24:44.960 bankers work. I'm thinking we need actually an economist, not a banker. And there is a big

00:24:50.740 difference between the two. And people are equating it as if a banker would have the same broad

00:24:55.600 macroeconomic look at what these policies do to everybody, maybe Mark Carney's just looking at

00:25:01.420 what it does for banks and lenders. And I mean, that's the thing that has always gotten me to

00:25:06.140 left when it comes to deficit financing. Do they not understand when they seem to love borrowing

00:25:11.760 and borrowing that the big fat cats, the mustache tweaking bankers are the only ones that benefit

00:25:17.720 from that? Interest payments are going straight to them. That's money out of your pocket into them.

00:25:22.400 I thought you were there for the little guy, but they seem to have a cognitive dissonance when it comes to that.

00:25:28.040 And I don't know.

00:25:29.260 It looks like the Liberals may have pulled the wool over Canadians' eyes again.

00:25:32.940 Yes.

00:25:34.480 Erica, the Conservatives are trying to make this stick.

00:25:38.040 They've, you know, they went after Carney for keeping, with very little changes, the same roster of the Trudeau cabinet.

00:25:46.860 he moved some, but not all

00:25:49.200 people around to different positions

00:25:50.560 for like the week or two he was Prime Minister

00:25:53.000 before the election, but he's still got

00:25:55.040 the same caucus, he's still got

00:25:56.560 mostly the same cabinet

00:25:58.400 now

00:26:00.800 the platform, you know, the caucus

00:26:02.860 and the cabinet and the whole set of

00:26:04.880 advisors in the PMO, none of that has changed

00:26:06.700 and the conservatives have tried to

00:26:08.880 tie Carney to Trudeau on that

00:26:11.100 and it does not seem to have

00:26:12.880 stuck

00:26:13.480 now we've got the platform

00:26:17.040 This is newer.

00:26:18.840 What could the Conservatives do to make this stick?

00:26:22.500 Because nothing else has stuck so far.

00:26:24.480 Yeah, and I agree nothing has really stuck, unfortunately, because I think they're right.

00:26:30.760 They're right that this man is ultimately, whether he's trying to or not, he's doing a masterful job, Mark Carney of catfishing Canadians.

00:26:39.780 And he is selling how great he is on resume and that he's going to be more conservative. He's not Justin Trudeau. And the conservatives have tried and said, no, it's the same, same. Like, it is not different. It's the same people. You know, it's not this knight in shining armor that's going to make the Liberal Party actually centrist or even close to right ascender.

00:27:00.800 Like Justin Trudeau moved it into socialist territory and that's where they're going to stay. And even with the platform, I think that the I'll give the liberals credit. They waited so long to do it to after the debate to release their full costed budget because they know how bad it is and they know what this is.

00:27:18.800 I mean, I know that the Privy Council released a report basically saying that we're going to like be in Hunger Games style under the way that we're currently going.

00:27:28.780 And that's even expedited by Mark Carney.

00:27:31.620 So what do the Conservatives need to do?

00:27:32.880 I think they need to keep talking about that.

00:27:34.540 And hopefully to those that haven't voted yet, that message is getting through.

00:27:38.840 But I do think that the Liberals are good at campaigning by like being shiny object.

00:27:44.100 I'm this saving grace, Mark Carney.

00:27:45.760 I'm, you know, in the first week looking to be a conservative and now I am pulling full socialist agenda and I'm going to catfish and everyone's going to wake up the next day after the election and realize we made a horrible decision.

00:27:59.420 Should the liberals win? And I don't really know what the conservatives can do or if the runway is just a little too short at this point to close that gap.

00:28:09.800 Wishful thinking. I'm just hoping that conservatives don't answer their phones and answer the polls and will be surprised.

00:28:15.420 But if we're going off of current statistics, it looks like the runway's getting a little shorter.

00:28:20.880 I do have to push back on one thing you said, though.

00:28:23.640 You know, you said that the Liberals did not release their platform until after the debate.

00:28:28.340 You know, so people would be kind of too late to change their minds for many who were voted.

00:28:33.160 But the Conservatives also did not release their debate.

00:28:36.220 They didn't do that.

00:28:36.300 They waited until after the debate as well.

00:28:39.100 There's, I mean, depending how charitable or not we're being, there's different reasons for that.

00:28:42.480 I get that maybe you want to make most of your announcements throughout the campaign and then release.

00:28:47.540 If I was the Conservatives, I would have. Yeah, I would have done it as the Conservatives before the debate.

00:28:53.580 And I think it would have added. Totally. The morning of was when the NDP did it and that helped the UCP year win because it was a horrible budget.

00:29:02.460 He was hiding the Conservatives. I think with their plan, that's actually quite good and quite in contrast to Carney should have released it early.

00:29:11.200 and even just saying we're not going to care what these guys say and they might funk some numbers up

00:29:16.320 to try and not make it look so bad but so what you asked me what they could do versus what i think

00:29:21.220 they should have done i would have gotten that budget out before the debate all right uh so

00:29:27.100 we'll talk about the guys now that nobody including us is really talking about very much

00:29:31.820 uh is this the end dp yeah i i really thought i was clever for that one today uh so give me a slow

00:29:40.480 clock from home if you're watching. That was actually a headline in 2019 after the NDP

00:29:46.260 loss. So I don't know if we can give you any credit there. So to me, at least, it's an

00:29:54.140 original headline for the Western Standard. I have not seen it. Okay. All right. Corey,

00:30:01.680 the NDP here are, I mean, it's just polls, but polls are a snapshot of where people are

00:30:08.600 at today does not mean it's what they're going to do tomorrow, but it's pretty good indication

00:30:12.880 of at least trend lines we're on. The trend line we're on is for an absolute train wreck for the

00:30:18.440 NDP. 338 polling aggregator, not perfect, but they have a pretty good reputation. They're

00:30:26.060 generally in the ballpark. They've got the NDP around six seats, maybe even less. I mean, how

00:30:30.920 things go uh you need 12 seats to be an official party in uh in parliament um six seats uh people

00:30:39.100 can check on wikipedia correct me if i'm wrong but i i think six seats might be the uh would make it

00:30:45.320 the worst result in the history of the ndp uh i think you might even have to go pre-ndp to one

00:30:52.280 of its predecessor parties the canadian commonwealth federation to go back into you know the early

00:30:58.040 60s and the 1950s to find

00:31:00.280 something around six seats. And remembering

00:31:01.980 that was a smaller parliament. So actually, as a

00:31:04.060 proportion, this would be

00:31:05.700 something closer to

00:31:07.920 three or four seats, if we're talking

00:31:09.620 historically.

00:31:13.120 How much

00:31:13.880 weight do you put in the projections that the NDP is

00:31:15.840 headed for doom?

00:31:19.000 And

00:31:19.400 what does it mean for the future of the NDP if they

00:31:21.880 were to get obliterated like this?

00:31:24.100 Yeah, well, it's the end of Singh. I mean,

00:31:25.860 he's just been a terrible leader.

00:31:27.660 And even, you know, the most hardcore of loyalists will have to admit that after this election, whatever the NDP has to do, they got to change their leaders out.

00:31:35.960 Will they be gone?

00:31:37.000 No, I don't think so.

00:31:37.860 I mean, the socialists are always there.

00:31:39.900 They're like a social disease.

00:31:41.240 They might go into remission, but they'll come blossoming back later on.

00:31:44.240 Or are they just more at home than the Liberals now?

00:31:45.840 Well, that's part of it.

00:31:47.140 So there's kind of a number of things that hit that worked very badly for Singh.

00:31:51.880 Part of it was he just found himself in lockstep and constantly supporting the Liberals.

00:31:56.280 So to the point of people saying, well, if he's just going to be with them all the time, what's the point of bothering with a separate party? Anyhow, he's the same thing. Trudeau took the liberals to the left. He was not a conservative liberal leader. So again, that started eating a lot of Singh's lunch, slowly but surely.

00:32:14.400 Another thing that happened was it's almost a boomerang effect with the polls, if we looked four months ago,

00:32:20.020 looked that there was going to be a super majority of conservatives,

00:32:23.020 that Pierre Polyev was going to be the prime minister with an unstoppable force coming in.

00:32:28.800 And center-left supporters of the NDP said, well, boy, I'm going to strategically vote.

00:32:33.940 I prefer the NDP, but you know what?

00:32:35.780 I would still rather have a liberal group in there rather than letting Polyev take off with this.

00:32:41.300 And they migrated to the Liberal Party.

00:32:43.280 So just everything came together for a terrible electoral outcome for the NDP in this particular election, on top of which Singh has just not been an effective leader.

00:32:53.760 He hasn't been inspiring people to come out and support him or vote for him.

00:32:57.100 And I don't even know if he's wanted to.

00:32:59.600 I mean, his performance has been so bad, whether it's the debates or campaigning in general, you'd almost think he's throwing the race.

00:33:06.700 Yeah, I mean, I do not think he is an agent of the Liberal Party.

00:33:10.580 but if he was an agent of the liberal party he would be doing exactly what he has been doing

00:33:17.120 for years now so i do i didn't know that's not true i think if he's an agent of the liberal

00:33:24.660 party he might be in not third place in his own writing he'd be doing better right now because

00:33:30.040 he'd be running under a different umbrella this guy's gonna lose his own seat well i mean like

00:33:34.540 If the liberals had...

00:33:36.520 A good agent, I guess I should say.

00:33:38.040 If the liberals had captured a Terminator and put a Jagmeet Singh human tissue over top and used it, sent him into the past.

00:33:51.980 The liberals were destroyed under Trudeau and they sent Jagmeet Singh into the past to kill the NDP.

00:33:58.340 I mean, he would be doing exactly what he is doing now.

00:34:01.760 My tidbit hat isn't on firmly enough to think that that's an actual thing, but it's what he would be doing.

00:34:10.160 Nigel, one of my theories has been that because of Jaymeet Singh and the NDP's close association with Justin Trudeau,

00:34:19.800 because Justin Trudeau is at least in person no longer there,

00:34:23.480 that jakebeet singh is actually wearing the stink from the trudeau liberal government more than

00:34:31.600 mark carney because mark carney yeah however credibly or not it is can claim he's new i wasn't

00:34:39.160 there yeah sure he actually oh i know i know but most people who aren't following politics that

00:34:44.900 closely never heard of the guy until he was prime minister uh so my my theory has been that the ndp

00:34:50.060 is wearing the stench from the liberal government more than the liberal government is uh what do you

00:34:56.220 think well i would certainly be the evidence of the polls if the polls are to be believed then

00:35:03.020 the liberals are considerably more popular today than they were three weeks ago

00:35:08.300 um the ndp has not recovered they were not popular three weeks ago if anything they're worse today

00:35:15.340 much worse so why it may not be the specific policies however because i'm not sure everybody

00:35:25.980 could articulate what they were what people are rejecting is just somebody who came along

00:35:34.380 and hitched a ride sold out cheap it wasn't like the dental plan that he got was a such a big thing

00:35:41.820 to justify, if you're an NDP member,

00:35:45.860 you're probably just as passionate about your NDP

00:35:48.900 as some conservatives are

00:35:52.440 about their particular stream of conservatism.

00:35:55.720 And to see somebody just put it all on the line

00:35:58.200 for nothing more than to stay in office

00:35:59.760 coincidentally long enough to pick up the federal pension

00:36:03.320 is just more than flesh and blood can take.

00:36:08.060 I think they're just sick of Jagmeet Singh.

00:36:09.780 Never mind the NDP.

00:36:11.820 Erica, let's fast forward to next week.

00:36:18.560 There could be a conservative government, a liberal government.

00:36:21.920 Polls are leading liberal, but could be conservative if conservatives have a better turnout among their supporters.

00:36:29.040 But one way or another, it's going to be annihilation for the NDP. 0.98

00:36:34.240 How bad is up for grabs?

00:36:35.760 But let's just take kind of the aggregate numbers from 338 right now.

00:36:40.880 let's just say six seats

00:36:42.760 they're half the number they need for even

00:36:44.940 official party status the long

00:36:46.940 climb of the NDP that began with

00:36:49.060 Jack Layton in 2004

00:36:50.400 has been now reversed

00:36:52.980 and then some it's been

00:36:54.680 it's just been completely put down to

00:36:56.960 1960 early 1960s

00:36:58.920 levels here

00:36:59.460 goes without saying Jake Bietzing's gone

00:37:02.540 even if he somehow wins his seat

00:37:04.560 which if there's only six good chance

00:37:06.800 very good chance he loses his

00:37:08.100 let's just take it as granted

00:37:10.720 sig would be gone um let's talk about you know what would the future hold for the ndp um

00:37:17.660 you know do you think we would then move it looked you know after 2011 when the ndp formed

00:37:23.700 official opposition with jack layton but maybe we're headed towards a two-party system at least

00:37:29.660 outside of quebec uh actually no even including quebec because the ndp uh had swept quebec that

00:37:35.080 time. Do you think this would pretend maybe a move back, and we haven't had this since the 1950s,

00:37:41.700 a really hardcore two-party system minus Quebec with the bloc? Or do you think there's a space

00:37:47.980 for the NDP to come back? Where do they go from here if they're cut down to like six seats?

00:37:55.200 Yeah, they're really going to have to rebrand themselves. They're going to need a strong leader

00:37:59.300 because I think that you're all right, that there was more of a distaste for Justin Trudeau than

00:38:04.480 the Liberal Party by Canadians, and in this case, definitely more of a distaste for Jagmeet Singh's

00:38:09.140 leadership than NDP. There's always going to be NDP supporters. The far left doesn't really have

00:38:17.080 anywhere to go. And I don't think that the Liberals are maybe going to stay where Justin Trudeau put

00:38:25.580 them. They're going to spend like drunken sailors, but they might, on some other policies, be a little

00:38:31.460 bit more open, or at least that's what Connie's catfishing us today to believe. So what happens?

00:38:37.640 They're going to have to figure out first, even in Alberta on May 1st, they're talking about their

00:38:42.200 relationship with the federal government, or sorry, with the federal party in Alberta NDP.

00:38:47.160 So I think they're going to have to first work on all of their provincial partners, because I think

00:38:51.600 there's such a difference of a federal NDP versus each of the different jurisdictions and how they

00:38:58.280 go about it. So they have to do some kumbaya moments internally. And then they're going to

00:39:02.500 need to have a leader that actually understands what being NDP is, as opposed to being a TikTok

00:39:08.960 star, and focus on those things that actually matter. Now, are they going to come up and be

00:39:14.060 opposition in a meaningful way? No, but I don't see the NDP just because of how tied people are.

00:39:21.320 It'd be like removing a conservative party. There's always going to be that stronghold. I

00:39:26.120 think what they're going to do is just really pick their lane and have to rebrand both at the

00:39:31.220 provincial as well as the federal level. So maybe not next election, but I don't think that we won't

00:39:36.720 have a quote unquote socialist party in our country. All right. Well, let's turn to our

00:39:43.760 parting shots. Hopefully, Erica didn't steal your thunder too much, Nigel. Yeah, sorry.

00:39:49.340 No, I mean, actually, you threw me the line there. You drew attention to what you refer to

00:39:55.180 the Hunger Games. This is absolutely amazing. There is within the Privy Council Office, which

00:40:06.460 supports the Civil Service mirror of the Prime Minister's office, there is a place in there

00:40:13.340 which is just tasked to look ahead, try and review the big picture, what could happen, what

00:40:21.820 may not happen what would we suggest if it did blue skies big thinkers and periodically they

00:40:29.740 produce a report well they were they decided to look at what would happen if the existing policies

00:40:38.460 of the liberal government were continued unaltered how would canada look in 15 years time

00:40:45.340 He said it's going to stink. People are going to be leaving, like the high-performing,

00:40:54.540 anywhere people. You're going to be left with people who don't have options. They're usually

00:40:58.620 lower-wage earners. Things could get so bad that in this impoverished country, people would be out

00:41:06.780 foraging in the woods and the fields, poaching on public lands, just trying to find enough

00:41:13.020 food to get by on um what intrigued me about this is that it actually came to light during the

00:41:21.420 election campaign and i can't imagine that that is an accident because it was actually prepared

00:41:26.700 in january it is odd it is or is it wiped or something how did it come out no just they just

00:41:31.980 they just issued it so anyway someone in opposition like in the research i think just found it

00:41:38.140 because pierre talked about it in his platform like it wasn't really released or anything he

00:41:42.380 He just made reference to it like someone just published it and probably.

00:41:46.560 I think Blacklock's a little bit, actually.

00:41:48.500 Yeah.

00:41:49.860 Anyway, you know, I mean, this is kind of what we've been saying all along.

00:41:52.840 And by parting charges, I guess, during that, I'll try and get out before the rush.

00:41:59.000 Well, I'll just say this.

00:41:59.920 A Blacklock's reporter, a great news agency in Ottawa that we contract with as partners.

00:42:07.340 If I was Prime Minister, the very first thing I would do is hand a giant grant to those two.

00:42:16.260 It's literally a mom polish up.

00:42:18.120 It's a husband and a wife running it. 1.00

00:42:19.800 I would buy them off and send them to a warm island somewhere and get them the hell out of my hair.

00:42:24.800 Because even if you're a great Prime Minister, they're going to find something you screwed up at.

00:42:28.000 They're too damn good.

00:42:28.700 Those are old school data reporters, and they're dangerous.

00:42:32.940 That's why we hire them.

00:42:33.780 mm-hmm okay uh cory parting shot well i go on social media and lo and behold there's premier

00:42:41.000 smith riding a high-speed train laying the tracks uh as she has been hinting for a couple of years

00:42:47.500 yes in japan and a report's coming out soon that's going to paint a rosy picture on why

00:42:52.100 alberta needs a high-speed train even though nowhere in north america has managed to have

00:42:57.040 a successful high-speed train because we don't need one we don't want one they're boondoggles

00:43:01.440 they're a disaster every bloody time, and I'm tired of Smith's fixation on it, so I'm just

00:43:06.100 laying it out now. Balance the budget, get Alberta Head, then you can pursue pet projects like a 1.00

00:43:12.280 high-speed train, but until then, put the little train on the shelf, and we do not need this right

00:43:18.200 now. I don't understand why they're so hung up on this, and I'm not gonna let it go. Put it aside,

00:43:24.660 we've got more budgetary issues to deal with before you get onto something like that. Why

00:43:27.880 you know like choo-choo. I know like choo-choo 1.00

00:43:29.980 when I got to pay for it.

00:43:31.780 If I could buy the ticket on my own choice,

00:43:33.840 if these things are so darn

00:43:35.960 good, the private market will take care of it

00:43:38.000 and that's the way the old Premier Smith used to talk.

00:43:40.320 So, let's keep the train

00:43:41.900 on the same track with that as it used to.

00:43:44.420 I'm in general

00:43:45.620 agreement, and I'm highly skeptical of this kind of thing,

00:43:48.440 but some of the proposals that have been floated

00:43:50.000 around, or maybe,

00:43:51.960 that I think it was, you know,

00:43:53.080 if the province pays for a connection

00:43:55.940 to the main LRT line in Calgary

00:43:57.860 to the airport that they would then as as long as they're given kind of a right away and the

00:44:02.820 land to build it they'll build it out to vamp uh okay i mean like the lrt i i don't ride it anymore

00:44:11.860 it's not the greatest uh but it probably should connect to the airport but that's one thing i'd

00:44:18.880 probably get behind but uh i'd have to see the proposal but i i share your you just keep dipping

00:44:24.000 they're towing that water i haven't seen a whole lot of demand from people on the street screaming

00:44:28.800 i really really need that multi-billion dollar of high-speed rail between calgary and edmonton

00:44:33.280 because that's where it keeps leading there's the only reason this keeps coming up is because

00:44:37.360 the politicians you know as i've been one the politicians and so in the south driving up the

00:44:42.640 qe2 and then back every week it's a terrible miserable monotonous boring drive and you sit

00:44:50.000 they're thinking, oh, God.

00:44:52.260 Wouldn't it be nice if I could just lay back

00:44:54.320 and, you know, check my emails

00:44:55.940 and work along the way? Because taking the plane

00:44:58.200 only takes you three quarters.

00:45:00.000 Takes you to Leduc. Give them all

00:45:01.880 chauffeured limos. It'd still be cheaper than that bloody train.

00:45:04.060 It would be.

00:45:05.160 That is why this idea keeps coming back up.

00:45:07.920 It's because half the politicians

00:45:09.700 take that drive, and that drive doing every

00:45:11.960 week sucks. Bad.

00:45:14.540 Okay. My parting

00:45:15.980 shot. You all

00:45:18.020 remember Jessica Yenif, or

00:45:19.740 jessica yaniv i don't know what he calls himself anymore um actually i do know what he calls

00:45:25.500 himself so you uh you will you all recall this person this is a a trans individual uh i think

00:45:32.940 from vancouver if i get that right and uh he went around and tried to use the human rights commissions

00:45:38.980 to charge and obtain uh ransom money from uh in large uh many cases poor immigrant women and like 1.00

00:45:48.580 women's salons, you know, think of like the 0.97

00:45:51.440 Vietnamese women working in there

00:45:53.100 and he demanded

00:45:55.040 that they wax her balls 0.94

00:45:57.160 I mean, remember

00:45:59.360 this is the language of just a few years ago

00:46:01.000 this is, she was demanding that they wax 0.99

00:46:03.480 her balls 1.00

00:46:05.380 and things like that, anyway

00:46:07.000 she has a new name

00:46:09.460 I'm going to read what she has said

00:46:11.460 on Twitter, she, he

00:46:13.080 my

00:46:15.100 Métis name

00:46:16.300 first moment for the record

00:46:18.780 she is not Métis

00:46:20.300 as far as we could tell

00:46:21.480 she is white as the snow

00:46:23.620 but my Métis name is

00:46:26.160 Kaskit-O-Watis-G-Win 0.87

00:46:29.920 oh wow that's the closest I've gotten so far

00:46:31.920 which is probably not very close

00:46:33.500 Kaskit-O-Win

00:46:35.560 it means serenity in Cree

00:46:38.180 a word you'll choke on

00:46:40.140 as you watch a Métis woman 0.97

00:46:41.940 I mean the factual errors

00:46:43.520 are already incredible

00:46:45.160 A Métis woman, descended from buffalo hunters, La Chassigurie, and Red River Fire, dismantle the settler colonial rot you clutch like blood-soaked treaty. 0.99

00:46:58.380 Pope Francis is dead, but the church's genocidal legacy lives on in every stolen Métis child, every unmarked grave, every whisper of residential school. 0.99

00:47:07.100 I am a Métis woman. No, she says women. I am a Métis woman, so she's also now plural.

00:47:15.160 Okay. I do not forgive. I do not forget the Vatican falls in my name. I think it means Fitz.

00:47:22.760 Okay, so just from factual errors alone, woman, Métis, and women, plural.

00:47:30.100 I'm referring to herself in the plural.

00:47:31.660 I mean, at this point, I mean, referring to herself in the third person or in the plural is probably the least factual error in this.

00:47:40.280 but I do want to point out this

00:47:42.220 this is less outrageous than calling herself a woman

00:47:44.580 because Métis are people

00:47:46.520 of mixed heritage, they're people who are part

00:47:48.600 white, often French but not entirely

00:47:50.340 but part white and

00:47:52.760 part indigenous North

00:47:54.720 American

00:47:55.080 so, I mean, she's not Métis as far as

00:47:58.560 we can tell, correct, and some people in Caribbean if I'm wrong

00:48:00.720 she's not Métis, but she is

00:48:02.940 at least white, which is half

00:48:04.880 of Métis, but she is not

00:48:06.840 half a woman, so

00:48:08.140 claiming she is Métis 0.96

00:48:10.080 as factually

00:48:11.620 problematic as that is, is by far

00:48:14.540 the least problematic claim

00:48:16.440 that she has made. So anyway, I just

00:48:18.400 wanted to

00:48:19.000 make this a land acknowledgement

00:48:21.560 for

00:48:22.200 Jessica Yaniv

00:48:25.660 Kaskite-Watawiske

00:48:28.620 It's getting better. It's getting better

00:48:30.420 I think your pronunciation there.

00:48:32.180 There you go. I told you I could speak le Francais.

00:48:35.260 Alright.

00:48:37.020 My go?

00:48:38.140 Oh, is it my turn? No, you forgot about me, just as always.

00:48:42.460 Oh, I'm sorry. I never saved myself for last. No, I'm sorry.

00:48:45.420 Well, we'll just leave best for last instead. So a little bit different of a tangent. I

00:48:54.700 am throwing this at one person for props, another for just the legacy media's horrific fact checking

00:49:04.060 on these two budgets the fact that we don't have anyone but some columnists actually highlighting

00:49:11.100 how horrific uh one not covering the privy council stuff that uh corey talked about two not covering

00:49:17.500 the actual like contrast of liberal versus conservative platforms that were put out

00:49:24.380 so the fi the firing shot actually came from ian brody if you see him go on cbc

00:49:30.940 I believe it was this morning and just ripped the CBC fact checker a new one, basically criticizing everything of how they contrasted, compared and the facts that they were putting out about the liberal platform.

00:49:46.020 So I can't take the shots fired today. I'm giving it to Ian Brody, who, you know, really held the mainstream accountable.

00:49:52.620 again maybe too late to get it uh out to voters in the in the style in which we need as conservatives

00:50:00.540 but man he literally came on so professional the uh interviewer kind of jaw dropped didn't

00:50:08.280 know how to answer the questions and it was basically criticizing the people that we all

00:50:12.300 want to be defunded so you know our our final segment is called parting shots but you and you

00:50:18.400 called it Shots Fired, but yours actually makes sense.

00:50:20.420 No, I like mine better.

00:50:22.240 Shots Fired actually kind of makes sense.

00:50:24.420 I mean, it

00:50:25.920 works for yours at least.

00:50:28.140 Sorry that I screwed that up.

00:50:30.660 I won't. No, no.

00:50:32.100 It's it. Let's roll with it. We'll do

00:50:34.200 parted shots, you do Shots Fired. Perfect.

00:50:36.380 Alright. Erica, Corey,

00:50:38.260 Nigel, thank you. And our producer,

00:50:40.200 John, thank all of you for joining us.

00:50:42.500 I want to remind you that

00:50:44.040 on election night,

00:50:45.400 April 28th, starting at

00:50:48.060 6 p.m. Mountain Standard

00:50:50.060 Time. The Western Standard will be

00:50:51.900 live streaming. We've got a great

00:50:54.040 great lineup. We've got

00:50:56.140 pundits, campaign experts.

00:50:58.740 We've even got former

00:51:00.040 BC Premier Gordon Campbell in.

00:51:02.000 We've got former Saskatchewan Premier

00:51:03.520 Brad Wall in.

00:51:06.560 And of course, my

00:51:07.900 smile and face, Nigel,

00:51:09.960 Corey, Erica. We've just

00:51:11.880 got a great, great lineup.

00:51:14.440 I think you're going to find it informative

00:51:15.960 maybe more so than watching

00:51:17.960 the CBC on election night. Thank you all for joining us. We hope to see you Monday night

00:51:23.020 for the results as they come in from Canada's federal election. Thank you very much. God bless

00:51:28.360 the West.

00:51:47.960 You

Western Standard - April 24, 2025

Is this the End-DP？

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