00:00:29.700and welcome to the cory morgan show as you can see i'm still wandering in the desert actually
00:00:34.740this is the last of the shows i'll be doing from down here in the south i'm with mixed feelings
00:00:40.740starting to make my way back north uh to get to my regular life up there the news certainly hasn't
00:00:46.580stopped while i was gone lots going on good bad and some terrible terrible tragic uh items going
00:00:53.220on we'll talk a little bit more about that in the show of course you can't avoid talking about the
00:00:56.900the horrors of what's happened in Tumblr Ridge. And yeah, lots on the independence front and many
00:01:03.040other things on the go. In a little bit, I'll be talking with political theorist and columnist
00:01:08.000William Barclay. He wrote a long column with the Western Standard. He's written a number of them
00:01:12.620with us, of course, and it's on the independence movement. I'd like to get an Eastern perspective
00:01:17.080on that. William's certainly not heavily opposed to the independence concept, and he's giving his
00:01:21.720views on what's got guys behind it what's powering it so let's start uh with my opening monologue
00:01:30.820something you know uh just that we got to keep on this so along with being incapable of understanding
00:01:36.100the basic principles of supply and demand progressives have a blind spot when it comes
00:01:40.560to race-based policies i mean they consider themselves champions of the downtrodden minorities
00:01:45.840yet they support the divisive policies that cause minorities to become downtrodden in the first
00:01:50.480place. They recognized that race-based policies caused injustice and wrongs for centuries,
00:01:56.200yet they feel the way to reconcile those wrongs is to implement more race-based policies. Look,
00:02:00.280guys, two wrongs do not make a right. And things move in waves and cycles. So diversity, equity,
00:02:06.480and inclusion, DEI, those policies were trendy for a couple of decades. The policies finally
00:02:12.540overshot the target. They went too far, and as it became more extreme, the public finally
00:02:17.040recognized the absurdity of DEI. The pushback began in the private sector with things like
00:02:21.280Robbie Starbuck and others pushing large corporations and those corporations realized
00:02:25.420these policies were hurting their bottom line. Now the outrage of progressives was worth enduring
00:02:30.440as they stripped away entire DEI departments from their corporate headquarters. But now we're seeing
00:02:35.200something even better. Public institutions departing from DEI policies. The University of
00:02:40.360Alberta dumping its DEI policies and boy some people are outraged of course. And it must be
00:02:45.320so the u of a must be supported in this not only that this movement should be fostered and spread
00:02:50.920among all institutions both private and public we're going to take advantage of the backlash
00:02:55.400against race-based policies and strip them from government legislation uh from uh rest assured
00:03:02.040social justice warriors they're going to immediately begin lobbying and trying to
00:03:05.240enshrine new race-based policies as fast as we can get rid of them if we can go scorched earth
00:03:09.400now with them though it's going to be a slow insidious creep for them to bring their woke
00:03:13.160policies back. It could take decades. DEI policies are insulting and detrimental to minorities.
00:03:18.840The principle of racial equality has been embraced by Western democracies for generations. Having
00:03:24.120passed the equality hurdle though, progressives have moved on to the more loosely defined goal
00:03:28.280of equity. And this is where they assume that even if all rights are equal, some minorities
00:03:33.720are incapable of succeeding without an extra hand up. That is true racism. And it's ironic
00:03:39.960how progressives don't understand that they've embraced an ideology no less vile than those of
00:03:44.840historical segregationists. A slap in the face to people within minorities who've earned success
00:03:50.140through hard work and merit, only to have some people start assuming they only excelled due to
00:03:54.460the racially preferential hiring and lowered standards in education. In Toronto, a race-based
00:03:59.780black-only school was opened in 2009 to the celebration of progressives. Martin Luther King
00:04:05.080literally fought and died to end racial segregation in areas including education only to have fools
00:04:11.480today entrenching segregation under the vanity of banner of equity generations later separating
00:04:17.400black students from everybody else hasn't been a success considering black students drop out before
00:04:21.320graduation at a rate 23 higher percent higher than other races in toronto it didn't work but since
00:04:26.120when a progressive let success or failure stop them from pursuing race-based policies though right
00:04:31.480the granddaddy of racist policies of course is the indian act even the name of the act indicates how
00:04:36.120out of date it is in the modern world the act entrenches all sorts of race-based laws and has
00:04:40.360done so since 1876. canada's indigenous people have been lagging the rest of the country in
00:04:46.040every single measure of standard of living and it's getting worse crime poverty health issues
00:04:51.400domestic violence low education rates and high suicide rates are a part of every reserve in
00:04:56.280canada and the indian act is woven into every part of it despite this progressives fight bitterly
00:05:01.480against any effort to scrap the act in fact they call people critical of the act racists
00:05:06.780yeah they're really that blind to their own thinking in bc the government's actually
00:05:09.960beginning to enshrine a new set of property rights based on race even got as far as to ban
00:05:14.420people non-indigenous people from public parks this only increases distrust between cultures
00:05:20.240and of course makes things worse for the already suffering indigenous population but again okian
00:05:25.900outcomes don't seem to matter to progressives they've blinded themselves of bizarre misplaced
00:05:30.040ideologies wrapped in virtue signaling and identity politics there's little sense trying to win over
00:05:34.520the people immersed in canada's identity politics they're beyond reason we can and must cater to the
00:05:38.920minority of canadians who are fatigued with watching race-based policies dividing people
00:05:43.080while offering no visible benefits to anybody aside from some bureaucrats and lawyers who
00:05:47.720profit from that division that is now educational institutions are the best place to begin and the
00:05:52.040university of alberta with them moving away from dei policies policies they can lead the
00:05:56.280the way for others to follow. Make it shameful for any institution, whether public or private,
00:06:01.020to hold any race-based policies. Let's ride the current wave of public distaste for institutionalized
00:06:06.220racism, real institutionalized racism, and wipe race-based policies from the map once and for all.
00:06:12.000Beyond shaming these institutions, governments must start defunding the ones that insist on
00:06:15.740maintaining racist policies. There's no better time than now to do it, and it is time to live
00:06:20.120in a world with true racial equality. Okay, that's the rant that's got me going. Let's get
00:06:25.500into our newsroom and check in with Dave. I know he is very, very busy today. Lots going on and
00:06:31.440see what's happening there. Hey Dave, how you doing? Hey, good, Corey. I'm expecting to see
00:06:35.280tumbleweed going behind you. Yeah, well, I think there'd be plenty if the wind was blown today.
00:06:40.800This has been a brilliantly calm day and not blazingly sunny for a change, so good for shooting
00:06:45.380live video. Nice. Seen any snakes? No, I keep looking. I want to bring you one back for a pet,
00:06:53.000but i've had no luck i do a lot of walking no snakes yet yeah well that's good that's good
00:06:57.240uh yeah extremely busy um uh dominated by tumblr ridge the horrible horrible shooting that uh last
00:07:05.740night uh done by a 18 year old trans person by the name of jesse strang uh right now we're leading
00:07:14.620off with a 12 year old girl that is fighting for her life in the vancouver hospital uh she was shot
00:07:21.100in the head and the families put out a statement and and go fund me our publisher derek fildebrand
00:07:29.580went on a bit of a rant this morning the inside story of the shooting and why the mainstream media
00:07:36.220will not report that the shooter is uh trans so that's uh that's worth a watch uh chris old corn
00:07:43.420our columnist uh uh takes a look at it these transgender shooting shootings whether you
00:07:50.540whether you want to admit it or not they're they're getting uh we're getting more and more
00:07:54.940often uh it was our jared uh yager our vancouver reporter who was the first one to be able to
00:08:01.980identify the shooter last night obviously as with anything uh these type of incidents core you get
00:08:08.460a lot of uh uh shall we say fake news out there uh this morning condolences came in from around
00:08:15.980the world uh king charles prince william princess kate uh the leaders of germany france uh you know
00:08:24.540you name it india uh pouring in their condolences uh the party leaders mark carney and uh pierre
00:08:31.740polyev due to give statements right now in the house of commons the question period has been
00:08:37.180cancelled for the day for these statements and carney has ordered flags to fly at half mast on
00:08:44.860all government buildings so other than tumblr ridge we've got a bonnieville minor league baseball
00:08:51.980coach charged with a litany of child sex abuse child porn bestiality stuff you name it he's
00:08:59.740being charged with it and the government incompetence story of the day cory public
00:09:05.420health agency of canada has had to admit 20 million dollars worth of specialty drugs was
00:09:12.140spoiled because someone left the door open on the refrigerator so there you go 20 million of our
00:09:18.300taxpayer funded money out the door because uh uh somebody forgot to close the door yeah yeah and i
00:09:28.140i don't doubt that that department still managed to get bonuses for their performance this year
00:09:32.140you know whereas in the real world you get fired for that sort of thing yes in the real world you
00:09:38.320do so the rcmp uh who last night described the shooter as a gun person a phrase i've never heard
00:09:45.080used before they're set to hold a press conference uh at any moment now so we'll uh keep uh checking
00:09:51.640back with the westernstandard.news and we'll have all the updates as they come in all right thanks
00:09:56.860for the updates dave uh dark as they may be and i'll uh see you in person for the next show
00:10:01.380yeah safe travels back all right thanks dave that is our news editor dave naylor and yeah the
00:10:07.420standard has been putting those stories up as this this horrible tragedy has been unfolding
00:10:12.040uh the reason we're at that newsroom has got the people out there and jared working so hard out in
00:10:16.640the west and chris old corn out in the east of us it's when you got to remind you guys it's because
00:10:21.340you've subscribed so uh thank you if you've subscribed already and if you haven't get on
00:10:25.740their western standard dot news slash subscription because we will provide real unvarnished news
00:10:33.440guys we won't go into that woke bizarreness that uh the rcmp and other news outlets will do as
00:10:40.480dave mentioned this was one of the things with things as they were unfolding with the tumbler
00:10:46.320ridge mass shooting the horrible school shooting there but they reported as a gun person in a dress
00:10:52.180like they're so terrified of the woke so terrified of the this this weird transit fixation the
00:10:59.860world's had for the last few years that they just can't say a man in a dress because that's what it
00:11:05.020was a young man in a dress murdering people that's what it was and it doesn't you know if we'd be
00:11:14.340more honest it would defuse perhaps some of the hate and conspiracy theories that can come out of
00:11:21.420something like this look not every trans person is violent not by a long shot uh but if you try
00:11:29.420to hide when this happens or try to hide from the trend that Derek Fildebrand did talk about that
00:11:34.720that there is a higher number of trans people participating in these kinds of shootings than
00:11:40.340others it's still a minority of a minority literally so the vast majority of trans people
00:11:46.620aren't going to hurt anybody but the consequences when somebody flips their lid goes off and decides
00:11:52.660that for whatever reason they got to take a gun and start slaughtering people particularly in this
00:11:56.900school we got to study what's underneath that now we can take a few days to start digesting and
00:12:02.340studying that we got a a community that's just been traumatized it's horrible to think i i worked
00:12:09.480a lot up in tumblr ridge for people unfamiliar with it it's in northern bc it's a town that
00:12:14.900it was based on coal mines that kind of opened and closed it's an interesting town when you
00:12:18.980drive around it you tell it's a company town you know a real planned central downtown it's not
00:12:23.780terribly old uh there was a big gas exploration boom up there so i worked up there quite a bit
00:12:28.820for a few years back when i was a surveyor lots of grizzly bears too but it's a small tight
00:12:35.140isolated community so you just know i mean with with 20 what is it 27 people still injured and
00:12:42.180recovering hopefully and that 12 year old girl who's fighting for her life let's really hope she
00:12:45.880makes it uh plus you know nine others murdered and then one who killed himself himself uh everybody
00:12:54.180will know somebody who's been impacted this by this up there it's it's just unimaginable that
00:12:59.120what's going to be going on the grief and and and responding to it i i mean uh there's no quick way
00:13:05.700to respond to something like this in general i mean nobody expects it nobody sees it coming
00:13:09.800but at least in a city you have a lot of resources you have big hospitals you have helicopters you
00:13:15.180have a plethora of police officers tactical teams tumblr ridge has an rcmp detachment and i think a
00:13:21.540little health unit uh the victims of this would have had to have been i i guess evacuated to
00:13:27.720grand prairie might be one of the closest larger places or dawson city i'm sorry dawson creek
00:13:33.080but it just made it worse you know i perhaps there could have been more survivors if the
00:13:37.840resources had been there you can't plan for everything particularly something like this
00:13:43.440but let's evaluate this as we start to try and wonder what the heck happened how it happened
00:13:51.120carefully and not be afraid to start digging in to find out the roots of some of this i don't
00:13:58.160think we'll ever be able to prevent every sick lunatic from going out on murderous rampages
00:14:04.240unfortunately a screw goes loose in some people and they do the worst things but if we're afraid
00:14:09.500to dig into some of the underlying factors we want to pretend that the trans aspect has nothing to do
00:14:14.700with it then we aren't truly trying to seek a solution are we we're we're just following a
00:14:21.680politically correct move you know trans this transgender thing's been a fad i want to talk a
00:14:27.800little bit about that a little later there's real trans people there always have been there's people
00:14:32.120who really want to live out their life as a different gender than what they were born.
00:14:37.600But let's face it, there's a whole heck of a lot who just embraced it because it's the thing to do
00:14:40.960lately. And then they'll just embrace something else later. But when somebody is willing to
00:14:46.280embrace something like that, that's an indication of some dissatisfaction with life that's not
00:14:50.000typical. All right, let's get on to Independence Talk. And I'll talk a little more about what's
00:14:54.240going on in Tumblr Ridge. We've got William Barclay. I've been looking forward to this.
00:14:57.300He's great to talk to. He's been on before. It's been a while. And he wrote a great column on the
00:15:01.900government independence movement and uh you know some of the underlying roots and what's going on
00:15:07.120with that and what's inspiring it so let's bring William in and discuss that a little hey uh good
00:15:13.060to see you Will how you doing? Hey thank you so much for having me it's a pleasure to be back with
00:15:17.020you uh in studio I guess eh? Well kind of I'm in the desert but it all runs through the studio
00:15:22.600John's working really hard to coordinate us and pull us together there and uh uh the conversation
00:15:27.440is what's important rather than the setting but it's a nice backdrop isn't it? I was gonna say
00:15:31.160looks like you're having fun at least. Yeah, yes, a little break from the weather and you're looking
00:15:35.240nice and bookish as anticipated. Thank you. I appreciate I got a little bit of a new setup,
00:15:40.720you know, and managed to migrate into a new room, so that's nice. Right on. So what kind of
00:15:46.380interests me, I mean, you know, independence has been a sort of a subject I've been pretty immersed
00:15:49.580in for quite a while, but you offer, I mean, you know, a well-educated political view and what you
00:15:55.340offered is from a person looking outside in. You're in the east, but you've obviously been
00:16:00.020looking at it closely. Maybe just kind of start with a, you know, offering a nutshell what your
00:16:05.940column was about. Yeah, absolutely. I think so. What we've all seen is that the Alberta
00:16:10.780independence movement is being condemned by various pundits and political actors like the
00:16:16.040premier BC, David Eby, as treasonous and little more than a byproduct of Alberta's lust for oil
00:16:21.820and its archaic conservative values and politics. However, the recent surge in popularity that
00:16:27.540secession has enjoyed throughout Canada and in Alberta was not a consequence of simple politics
00:16:31.900or treason. Rather, the modern advent and onset of the Alberta independence movement is very much
00:16:37.300Canada's right-wing response to the past decade of liberal oppression and a result of the fact
00:16:41.580that not just in Alberta, but everywhere across Canada, all right-wing ideology and politics have
00:16:46.840been openly persecuted and conservatives have already overwhelmingly been forced to seek out
00:16:51.700alternative means of political expression outside of mainstream society in order to achieve any
00:16:57.060political agency and it'll affect their future in a way you could say that albertans don't now seek
00:17:01.940to leave canada at all and in fact they were abandoned by the canadian nation long ago
00:17:08.180so some of you went into a lot more than i i don't as much which is fine but uh so more into
00:17:12.900it being a right versus left sort of thing we've had a progressive dominated government in ottawa
00:17:18.980with a conservative dominated ideology i guess you could say in alberta and saskatchewan
00:17:23.700And but you feel that I mean, there might not be a little more underpinning the movement than just political ideology.
00:17:30.240That's definitely the larger part. I mean, I go to these meetings, 90 percent of the people at the meeting,
00:17:34.060if you're going to tell where they are on the ideological spectrum, they're conservative.
00:17:38.780But, you know, is there perhaps something a little deeper as well?
00:17:42.180Yeah, absolutely. I think that you could you could say that, broadly speaking, the Canadian state,
00:17:46.740the Canadian nation is collapsing all around us and Albertans don't want to participate in it anymore.
00:17:52.900I mean like the Canadian state actually displays the two quintessential hallmarks of any failing
00:17:56.740or failed state that's unable to secure its borders or maintain sovereign control over them
00:18:01.140and it's lost a monopoly over the use of force inside its society right so these are the two
00:18:05.620quintessential hallmarks of a failed state or failing state we'd see over uh overseas let's
00:18:09.540say and we see them home at home in Canada um and I think maybe broadly speaking even more so you
00:18:14.820could say the Trudeau senior was almost the father of Alberta independence we could call it all maybe
00:18:19.300be a tale of two Trudeaus, but we can get into that a little bit more later. I think that very
00:18:23.660much Albertans don't want to participate in the continued failing and failure of the Canadian
00:18:28.280nation when the Albertan province simply could be doing so well and has been asked to almost
00:18:34.080prop up this failure and Albertans have it extracted from their own backs and from their
00:18:38.540own flesh. Yeah, and it's a good point. Like it's the state itself is sort of, I mean, my feelings
00:18:44.760honor is that it's fundamentally flawed in the constitution and it's just a matter of time as
00:18:49.340the cracks start to show and that's what this is it's indicative of saskatchewan alberta even bc a
00:18:54.100little bit quebec is starting to liven up again uh whether a person you know is on the right or
00:18:59.160the left they should start understanding that there's something to be addressed or this country
00:19:03.680could be split up and and i'm just wondering if maybe progressives will finally start to sit up
00:19:07.720and take notice like you know we got to do something about this or this province this country
00:19:13.600could be splitting apart. Oh, absolutely. I think it's food bank usage in Canada is up 100%
00:19:19.780with one third of all the people who are using the food banks being children. And 25% of all
00:19:25.680Canadians are currently suffering from food insecurity. It simply shouldn't be that way in
00:19:29.420a developed nation, so to speak, as Canada. I think the OECD itself actually confirmed that
00:19:34.160we're going to boast the single worst performing economy of all 38 OECD members until 2060.
00:19:39.540And I mean, like we were saying, it simply shouldn't be that way in Canada. For a long
00:19:42.780time we're a prosperous nation that could sit beside the u.s at the table right now we don't
00:19:47.480even have a seat no it's uh you know that's another factor that's kind of come into it
00:19:54.620is this this uh you know the the instability in general i mean people are kind of a you know
00:20:01.740feeling insecure they don't feel there's a good response as an independent state of canada when
00:20:06.920when basically we're being kind of being pushed around pretty heavily by our southern neighbor
00:20:10.960and our federal leadership hasn't been able to contain that or control that.
00:20:14.920So I think maybe it makes people start to, you know, lose faith in the Federation itself.
00:20:21.180Absolutely. I think you could say that Danielle Smith is probably the politician
00:20:24.140who has the most influence over in America, maybe any influence at all anymore, right?
00:20:28.580And I think she said it herself very recently, kind of no matter how the Eastern media seeks to twist,
00:20:33.920that Albertans don't really want anything outside of really standing as equal partners in Canada,
00:20:38.740not being treated as second-class citizens.
00:20:40.380There have been a ton of articles recently that talk about how anybody who has a conservative ideology is in favor of separatism is, to put it lightly, an idiot.
00:20:48.940And I think that, in a way, is this underlying problem in Canada.
00:20:52.580It's not that, let's say, conservatism is a competing ethos or ideology.
00:20:57.540It's something that's become necessary to eradicate and a threat to all democracy, according to progressives.
00:21:03.620so kind of turning that uh you know farther back to what you mentioned earlier that i like how you
00:21:09.200put it the tale of two trudeaus i mean canada's two largest eruptions of independence movements
00:21:14.660historically have been back when pierre was in both in alberta and quebec there were serious
00:21:19.280issues going on and justin trudeau has written off into the sunset with a pop star but it was
00:21:25.40010 years of his leadership that really has exacerbated the independence movement to where
00:21:30.520it is and something both did was really try to change the social structure of the country they
00:21:36.560really went after the identity uh particularly justin i think later where your land acknowledgements
00:21:43.200and and uh constant pandering to others saying we should look at our shoes we should be ashamed
00:21:47.340of ourselves as a country and there shouldn't be pride and we're a post-national state and then of
00:21:52.500course he takes off when the consequences of 10 years of that sort of attitude come about which
00:21:56.780is a country that no longer feels united. Yeah, no, absolutely. I think that the
00:22:01.420overmodeling majority of Canadians would be unable to even say what it is to be Canadian
00:22:05.300outside of non-American, and that's a problem. I think with regards to Trudeau Jr., what you saw
00:22:11.500really was this modern advent of identity politics where identities rather than actions became right
00:22:17.720and wrong. And you could say that that really has led to a plethora of really the outbreaks,
00:22:24.600the downgradings the the collapse of canadian society that we've seen um even let's say what
00:22:29.880happened in tumblr recently um it reeks to me of someone who had become hopeless thought perhaps
00:22:35.320the way like the last way to let's say change their lot in life was to change their identity
00:22:39.160because that's what they were fed for their entire life uh i think ostensibly even by their parents
00:22:44.440and when they did that they did change their identity and they still felt the same way they
00:22:48.840had nothing left but to do uh than to really abort themselves and everybody else and i do very much
00:22:54.200thinking it is an inevitable result and product of these hyper left-wing politics that have been
00:22:58.760forced and imposed upon canadian society well that's it i mean personal pride you can't do well
00:23:05.480for yourself if you're told your whole life you should be ashamed of something or or you know
00:23:09.560actions that were outside of your control uh but i mean getting back to the independence aspect of
00:23:14.600it so with this mess which has been created by the past two trudeaus uh you know by a number of
00:23:19.960events where do you think because i want to ask you from somebody outside of alberta
00:23:25.480you know mark carney's going to be the prime minister for some time presumably this is
00:23:29.400something he has to deal with somehow how and what should a prime minister try to do
00:23:35.240to quell discontent in alberta and or quebec um i i think to be honest it's too far gone to kind of
00:23:41.960quell it let's say i think that in a way he has to sit back at this point and and let the river
00:23:46.280see its course. I think that it's a little bit too much for Mark Carney to undo a decade of
00:23:53.320liberal oppression, like I was saying, in just such a short amount of time. And I don't really
00:23:57.300think he's really the man to do it. I don't think in a way he has any great desire to do it outside
00:24:02.320of perhaps the economic ramifications. I think that, in fact, perhaps Canada's own relationship
00:24:09.700with America is going to deteriorate on the back of it as well. Because, I mean, Carney himself
00:24:14.660has antagonized Trump. The liberals have antagonized Trump. I mean, they misappropriated
00:24:18.860Gordie Howe's phrase, elbows up, in order to do it. I think with Alberta leaving, the U.S. itself
00:24:23.900doesn't really have any great impetus to continue the relationship that it even currently has with
00:24:29.240Canada. Yeah, so I'll give a little credit to Kearney, and I don't give much to liberals often.
00:24:36.380I haven't seen him go out of his way to inflame Alberta, at least. He doesn't do anything to fix
00:24:41.200anything and as you said maybe there's nothing he can do but at least he hasn't been provocative
00:24:45.300he hasn't been insulting as we've seen with out of Trudeau or even Kretchen a bit in the past
00:24:50.320and we're certainly seeing out of Doug Ford and David Eby uh some some people I you know I would
00:24:57.020put out to others if they don't understand if you aren't in Alberta or when you've got a domestic
00:25:01.540issue going on you're only going to get more angry when somebody from outside wags their finger at
00:25:06.460you and calls you names and does things uh maybe as a role of leadership there's not much carny
00:25:11.360could do but you know maybe you could pull eb and forward aside and say hey guys you know you
00:25:15.320aren't helping things right now you'd hope so right i think that a lot of data is confirmed
00:25:20.260exactly what we're talking about and it's in a way unavoidable i mean the democracy index itself
00:25:24.760has confirmed that tensions between the liberal federal government and the conservative uh
00:25:28.560provinces are now one of the biggest risks to canada's political stability overall so you
00:25:32.700really would hope that you take these people aside and say hey maybe don't make it worse right
00:25:36.600you would hope uh and being out east i mean what are some of the attitudes you're hearing out there
00:25:44.240like from the time i've spent out there which admittedly hasn't been a whole lot though i've
00:25:47.660gone occasionally wasn't so much that there's a anybody in the east has a beef with the west
00:25:51.760most often they just don't even really think about the west it's an indifference if anything
00:25:55.760uh but it's certainly many the independence move is making a lot of national news now and start
00:26:02.440spreading a lot of national discussion how do you feel that people on the ground out in ontario
00:26:06.680quebec are are reacting to this or are they starting to think about it more well so funny
00:26:10.940enough in quebec especially amongst the youth and this is kind of where i i definitely differentiate
00:26:15.100between different demographics right but in quebec uh the the youth overwhelmingly actually
00:26:20.160support uh uh separatism let's say they're they're leaning towards it something they want to produce
00:26:25.000they want to pursue over in quebec themselves right and so i think that in the media what you're
00:26:29.320going to be hearing out east and almost everywhere is that uh there's no support for the independence
00:26:33.980movement uh they think that albertans are treasonous etc um they're they're foolish and
00:26:37.980all these things um but i think that in reality it's not just the relationship between alberta
00:26:43.240and the federal government that's deteriorated over the past 10 years the relationship between
00:26:46.580countless provinces so many provinces deteriorated um over the past 10 years and so there there are
00:26:52.420huge sectors of each province that do understand exactly where alberta is coming from i think
00:26:57.460particularly amongst canada's youth and and amongst conservatives i think it goes without saying but i
00:27:01.620think that these people who have had their future robbed and almost eradicated out from under them
00:27:05.780again canada's youth um understand exactly where alberta's coming from i think it was at the outset
00:27:11.460of the last election actually almost half of canada's youth were uh in favor of annexation
00:27:16.980by the us of becoming some kind of territory of the us um because they saw no future here and i
00:27:21.700think that's concerning essentially half of canada's future saw no future in canada and
00:27:26.180And it's something that I think the Liberal government is going to have to contend with, regardless of what happens in Alberta.
00:27:31.440Well, most definitely. And that's a change from the independence movement I knew from 20 years ago when I was involved with it.
00:27:37.480It was particularly the older generation that was behind it.
00:27:40.540And there's still a strong segment of older people active and involved.
00:27:43.900But when we look at the polls and we drill down in Alberta as well, it's younger people driving this.
00:27:48.900And that's something I think, you know, I'm trying to play some devil's advocate for the guys who those who oppose the independence movement.
00:27:55.640they should be cognizant of. Find out what's got them discontent and address that then. As you said,
00:28:01.240they aren't seeing a good future. They aren't seeing a hope. They aren't seeing an ability to
00:28:04.280buy a home or get a good career. And if that doesn't change, they're going to pursue more
00:28:09.460radical means of change and independence offers them that. Oh, absolutely. And I think it's part
00:28:14.260of this broader thing that we're seeing right now that conservatives have to be a little bit
00:28:17.080cautious of and kind of seeding this discourse where we hear in a lot of ways, especially here
00:28:22.000in Canada that conservatism is dying out. There's very little support for it. Religious ideology
00:28:27.240along with it, all conservative religious ideologies being eradicated. It's simply not
00:28:33.040true, right? And I think that in a lot of ways, conservatives here in Canada need to be careful
00:28:36.860to not, let's say, let the tail wag the dog, so to speak, and to kind of cede this discourse and
00:28:41.080capitulate to it. Because especially if you speak to younger people in Canada, there's this huge
00:28:45.260desire for structure. And it is something that conservative ideology and conservative values
00:28:50.560do offer very uniquely to young people, right?
00:39:44.780The one against Angela Pitt, I think, came in at 16% of what they needed.
00:39:48.900So I just want to celebrate that loss.
00:39:50.200The direct democracy is working because enough Albertans, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Albertans, want an independence referendum.
00:39:59.140But there's not that many who want to ban funding to private schools.
00:40:04.780Because actually, when you look at the first funding per student, the private schools save the system money.
00:40:10.480The beef isn't equity, as they always like to put it.
00:40:14.120Their beef is that these schools are non-union.
00:40:17.340Their beef is that teachers are paid on merit at some of these private schools.
00:40:21.420In fact, some of them are probably making more than those already very well compensated teachers in public schools.
00:40:28.120Oh, well, too bad because they pay by the individual, not the other.
00:40:32.200So, guys, if that appetite was there, I guess you would have gotten your petition through, wouldn't you?