Western Standard - Jay Hill on Tamara Lich's incarceration & federal issues

00:00:00.000 So, yeah, I'm glad to have you in. I want to talk about a few things. We always find it easy to talk about a number of things, but the whole Tamera Leach thing, you know.

00:00:08.940 Which is a nice segue from what you were just ranting about, about enforcing the law where it should be enforced.

00:00:16.100 Yeah, I mean, there's where some of the discussion could even start. You know, people talk about, well, she violated a bail condition, thus she's locked up.

00:00:24.400 Maybe, maybe I'll leave that open to interpretation. Maybe she did not fully, properly, you know, when she paused, she shouldn't have spent that three seconds with that person.

00:00:33.060 But that's why you have a judge, not a computer in a room. I mean, you work as what is realistic of enough violation that warrants full incarceration or maybe a warning or maybe just telling the police, come on, guys, get serious.

00:00:45.860 Like there's the spirit of the law and there's the letter of the law. Yeah. And she's getting beaten by every aspect of the law right now.

00:00:52.340 Well, I think it's just appalling. And just to your point, you know, I can't, I can't understand what the hell is wrong with Canadians right now that they let this go on.

00:01:03.780 And, you know, as I've been saying on social media the last little while, whether you were supportive or not of the Freedom Convoy and the demonstration and protest in Ottawa that resulted from that,

00:01:18.400 whether you supported their initiative, you know, to draw attention to the truckers' mandates, which was the original cause that they were protesting democratically, peacefully with that convoy across Canada,

00:01:30.260 you should still be appalled by what is happening to Tamara Leash. 0.95

00:01:35.780 I mean, here is a kind, generous, you know, grandmother, for goodness sake, with not much for, you know, financial means that helped to organize this protest, a peaceful protest, which she reinforced that message constantly.

00:01:56.280 In fact, I congratulated her at the end, when she was finally let out of jail the first time, I congratulated her as a novice for staying on message, something that politicians can't do, but she managed to stay on message.

00:02:10.100 She didn't get distracted when some of the more loony bin fellas were talking about overthrowing the government and staying there until Justin Trudeau resigned and some of that nonsense.

00:02:21.940 She stayed on message that this was a matter of rights, a matter of democracy, and that's why she was there, and she's being punished like this. 0.98

00:02:31.000 And, you know, today I posted on Twitter a sign, and it says, imagine how much better Canada would be if the justice system pursued child rapists with the same vigor they have with Tamara Leash and her mischief charges.

00:02:49.000 And, you know, what that solicited, I mean, there was a lot of support that came through, Corey, but there was people saying, well, she should be locked up.

00:02:56.120 She's a terrorist. 0.99

00:02:57.660 Well, I'm giggling a bit, but not over that, but just that image that's been going around, that's actually a direct quote from one of my tweets from about a week ago. 0.91

00:03:05.940 Somebody took it into an image.

00:03:08.100 I'm glad it made it full circle and it's going out there, but that's the point.

00:03:11.660 There's levels and levels and where our justice system should be prioritizing.

00:03:16.340 And, yeah, we don't go after child molesters with the vigor and expense that we have been going after.

00:03:22.460 And I'll say we, because we're Canadians, we're putting up with this, as you said at the start.

00:03:26.120 Are going after Tamara Leash. 0.99

00:03:27.820 And that's why I wanted to bring you in too, because you know her.

00:03:30.600 I mean, I'm looking, I'm talking about a character reference.

00:03:33.360 When we're talking about the spirit of the law, then that also means, does this person present a risk to society if she's let out?

00:03:40.320 Is she unstable? 0.95

00:03:41.320 Is she not a good person? 0.94

00:03:43.520 You know, I mean, if she was sort of a lunatic who'd come to some meetings and so on, you know, you'd probably just go, geez, you know, they're being persecuted.

00:03:51.620 But I'm not really going to stand up and say a lot on the person's character anyways, because it's just not something to speak to.

00:03:56.960 But Tamara's not crazy. 1.00

00:03:59.300 No, not in the least.

00:04:00.840 And, you know, this is what's so frustrating for those of us that know Tamara and know her well.

00:04:05.600 I mean, I had the pleasure and the privilege of working with Tamara for about two years now, ever since I came out of retirement and started a new political party that evolved into the Maverick Party, the West's only federal party.

00:04:21.480 And Tamara was on the original board of directors.

00:04:24.300 She stayed there.

00:04:25.260 She worked hard, despite the challenges that she was facing in her personal life because of the financial upset of losing her employment.

00:04:33.180 And her and her husband had to relocate to Manitoba for a while.

00:04:36.860 Then they came back.

00:04:38.980 She's always been involved in causes, causes that are near and dear to her heart.

00:04:43.380 And as I said earlier, she's the type of grandma that cannot sit idly by when she sees an injustice, when she sees that our rights and our democratic institution, basically, our constitutional rights are under attack by our own government.

00:05:00.640 And so she got involved.

00:05:02.800 That was all.

00:05:03.520 She got involved with this effort to peacefully protest with this convoy and eventually in Ottawa.

00:05:10.980 And now she's being persecuted.

00:05:14.040 That's the word that my friend Preston Manning used in his newspaper column of a couple of days ago.

00:05:21.600 She's being persecuted by our own government. 0.96

00:05:24.620 And it's absolutely appalling.

00:05:27.620 As I've said repeatedly and as you've said, every single Canadian should be very, very concerned about this, that she is being kept in jail now,

00:05:38.300 but not by a judge, by a justice of the peace that made this ruling on Friday to keep her incarcerated.

00:05:45.680 What is this costing taxpayers to persecute this grandmother? 0.91

00:05:51.320 Oh, I mean, they spent hundreds of thousands just to fly homicide detectives across the country to arrest her. 1.00

00:05:57.360 I mean, the money being flushed because she paused next to somebody.

00:06:00.120 Remember, that's the crime she's in for right now. 1.00

00:06:02.900 She paused with somebody she's not supposed to be with for three seconds in a picture in a video, which, again, technically, maybe if you're really a hair splitter, you could say, wow, you crossed the line.

00:06:12.880 We had a legal breakdown of that, actually, from one of our columnists, Karen Selleck.

00:06:16.900 And she's a lawyer, and again, going into how unreasonable that offense, supposedly, in the bail is.

00:06:24.380 I mean, that's, again, why you have a judge.

00:06:26.340 And not a justice.

00:06:27.060 She really goes into this justice of the peace.

00:06:28.560 This wasn't even one who was a former lawyer.

00:06:30.400 No.

00:06:30.780 And people got to remember, so this was not a legal expert.

00:06:33.540 So what did he base his ruling on?

00:06:35.580 This is the part that puzzles people.

00:06:37.280 Yeah, and Karen questioned it quite interestingly, because she said, and he had to sit for four days and come up with this, and he didn't give a written version.

00:06:46.600 He just gave an oral, which she said, typically, they're going to give something written.

00:06:49.600 But, you know, speculation.

00:06:51.620 Was he dwelling on this, or was he asking certain people, what do you want me to do about this?

00:06:57.080 Certain people.

00:06:58.200 Yeah.

00:06:58.640 Yeah.

00:06:59.300 And it's...

00:07:00.680 Far be it for us, ladies and gentlemen, to suggest that there would be any political interference.

00:07:06.180 And these types of rulings are what's been going on in this courtroom, where a identified partisan prosecutor, right?

00:07:16.860 I mean, he's contributed thousands of dollars, as you've said, and others have said, to the Liberal Party of Canada.

00:07:23.760 And he's allowed to go on for hours ranting about Tamara as though she truly is a terrorist, rather than somebody that believed in democracy in Canada.

00:07:34.840 He's been almost obsessive with it.

00:07:37.580 And something I've speculated, too, though, in past columns I wrote, I think it was for the Carolina Standard.

00:07:42.900 But either way, I think part of the reason they're after her is because she doesn't present the visible example of what they would like to point out as a convoy leader.

00:07:54.660 She's not a crazed person running around screaming through a bullhorn or a long history of arrests or a long history of organization.

00:08:02.700 She doesn't have a swastika tattooed on her forehead.

00:08:05.180 She's not wearing camouflage.

00:08:06.840 No.

00:08:07.140 When people listen to her speak and they see her and they realize, even if they don't agree with her, whatever this person is, this isn't a threat to society.

00:08:15.400 Because it ruins that narrative this government's desperately trying to hang on to, that this was a borderline insurrection, that this was led by crazed people.

00:08:23.960 And she puts lie to that.

00:08:25.360 If she's out speaking, if she's allowed to go on social media, which she hasn't been, she's been following that bail condition.

00:08:30.900 It must be hard for an outspoken person to go months and months and not even make a peep.

00:08:35.320 And she's stuck to that.

00:08:36.640 Yeah.

00:08:36.920 But that's why they're afraid of her.

00:08:38.860 She gives the wrong example.

00:08:40.240 If she was a screaming, raging lunatic, they'd say, get out and get on Facebook as hard as you can because you're making our work easier for us. 1.00

00:08:46.680 Yeah. 0.91

00:08:46.760 You're making our case.

00:08:48.220 But they don't have a case, really.

00:08:50.540 I mean, you know, if we reflect back to when she was arrested, okay, in Ottawa after this protest, I'll call it a protest.

00:09:00.580 I mean, the people that are so upset about this apparently call it a blockade or an occupation or they trump up all these kind of charges against, which was, I mean, they were bouncy castles.

00:09:14.780 They were protesters shoveling snow for the people.

00:09:18.540 They were supporting local businesses that had been in tough times.

00:09:22.660 You know, the local coffee shops and restaurants and hotels.

00:09:26.920 And in any event, you know, because they blew their horns a little bit too much and drew attention to themselves, they were, you know, into a situation of an occupation.

00:09:36.860 It's all been such nonsense.

00:09:38.940 And, you know, there was a real hue and cry from the government and from the mayor of Ottawa, Jim Watson, when it was shown that when the police started to move in to clear the protesters, she said, what did she say?

00:09:54.820 She said, hold the line.

00:09:56.980 That meant, according to the government and the courts, she was inciting mischief.

00:10:03.140 My God, what a terrible crime.

00:10:05.140 But reflect back, ladies and gentlemen, on our history of labor unrest in this country.

00:10:13.600 Okay.

00:10:13.800 Think of the World Bank riots.

00:10:15.140 How many times in our history, including fairly recently, have we witnessed strikes where, justifiably, you know, strikers are saying to their colleagues, when faced with the police trying to break up a, you know, the striker's line with their placards, right?

00:10:36.220 They're trying to break them up and they say, hold the line.

00:10:38.960 You hear about those guys being arrested, thrown in jail for 18 days, being denied bail and then re-arrested?

00:10:46.200 No.

00:10:47.200 It's recognized that labor has a right to strike and protest, you know, but she doesn't. 1.00

00:10:54.480 She doesn't.

00:10:55.620 And this convoy, this protest in Ottawa has, apparently, they don't have that right.

00:11:01.340 Well, and the government's, again, their case is falling apart.

00:11:04.120 And I think that's why they're afraid.

00:11:05.260 I mean, the Senate committees are ripping into them. 1.00

00:11:07.280 The parliamentary committees are ripping in.

00:11:09.120 I've got a feeling.

00:11:09.920 We'll see.

00:11:10.360 But this justice might be questionable who's leading the investigation.

00:11:13.940 We'll hope not.

00:11:14.580 They only takes it seriously.

00:11:16.580 They're not going to be able to make their case for invoking the Emergencies Act.

00:11:20.280 And even arguably, if people say that the protested out state, it's welcome.

00:11:24.560 Maybe they were there too long.

00:11:25.620 It was time to move them along.

00:11:27.180 Yep.

00:11:27.440 You know, we can debate that.

00:11:28.480 That's fair enough.

00:11:29.220 But there was no police.

00:11:31.060 That was the other thing, saying that we can't do this without the Emergencies Act.

00:11:35.580 They were saying, just let us do this.

00:11:36.680 We can do it.

00:11:37.280 They cleared the border down in Windsor.

00:11:39.600 They cleared the Alberta border where those other side blockades were.

00:11:42.480 That was before the Emergencies Act was imposed.

00:11:44.820 They were fully...

00:11:45.040 And not only that, but people buy into our mainstream media, bought and paid for liberal media.

00:11:52.060 They buy into their argument that those blockades at the Ambassador Bridge and here in Alberta at Coutts were somehow linked to what was going on in Ottawa.

00:12:00.900 I know that for a fact.

00:12:02.440 You know that that is not true.

00:12:04.620 That these were people, just common people that said, you know what?

00:12:08.860 We're going to rise up because of what's happening in Ottawa?

00:12:12.380 Sure.

00:12:13.040 But that did not have the approval, the support or the affiliation of the protesters in Ottawa.

00:12:19.020 And yet the media, the mainstream media, were just all over themselves buying into the Liberals' arguments that, oh my God, look what's happening.

00:12:27.880 This is growing all across the nation.

00:12:29.420 Well, yes, in a way it was growing, but it had nothing to do with Tamara Leach.

00:12:34.280 No, and the media embarrassed itself over the course of that whole affair.

00:12:38.240 I mean, they bought into all of the BS myths, that fake Twitter thread of a supposed arson.

00:12:44.060 I remember people getting on my case at that time because I called BS as soon as I saw it.

00:12:47.460 This stinks. 0.98

00:12:48.160 This is baloney. 1.00

00:12:49.300 This guy's making this crap up. 1.00

00:12:50.920 But the media jumped on. 1.00

00:12:51.880 They reported on it.

00:12:52.480 And guess what?

00:12:53.900 It was BS.

00:12:55.300 Justin Ling puts his thing out claiming that guns have been seized.

00:12:59.820 Total BS.

00:13:00.940 But the media seized on it, used it.

00:13:04.040 And there was supposedly some sort of a weird connection to, you know, the illegal importation of firearms and this big seizure that the police had made somewhere else in Ontario.

00:13:16.140 And they kind of linked it to what was going on in Ottawa.

00:13:19.420 And it was all BS.

00:13:21.060 And again, that's part of it, too, is we've got a legacy media that Leach embarrasses.

00:13:27.000 Again, as a symbol, because she's not everything they're trying to say this protest was.

00:13:31.700 And, you know, this Emergencies Act, they could have cleared that protest without invoking it.

00:13:38.320 Well, you know, it's starting to come out and perhaps we'll see this confirmed with the investigation.

00:13:44.440 As you say, the justice, the judge that is leading that investigation, hopefully he's going to do as thorough a job as Justice Gomery did with the infamous liberal sponsorship scandal of a few years ago.

00:13:58.420 And if he digs that deep and does that type of job, I think he'll do an enormous service to Canadians.

00:14:06.380 But, Corey, I mean, it is becoming quite clear that the Emergencies Act, at least partially, was brought in not because the police asked for it, not the Ottawa police, not the Ontario Provincial Police, not the RCMP.

00:14:20.900 Nobody, despite what the minister lied about in the House of Commons in question period, you know, what was the reason?

00:14:30.920 Well, now it's starting to be suggested it was because tow truck drivers, owners and companies refuse to tow these vehicles.

00:14:40.660 So how can our prime minister and the mayor of Ottawa tow these trucks if he doesn't have any tow trucks?

00:14:48.640 I mean, government doesn't own tow trucks, but if they had the Emergencies Act, if they had effectively martial law, the prime minister can do anything he wants, including ordering tow trucks to tow these vehicles or they themselves will be punished under law.

00:15:08.380 Well, that's it. And not enough citizens realize how serious the invocation of that act is.

00:15:13.660 I mean, it used to be called the War Measures Act, and they should have kept it that way because people would realize how serious it is when it's brought in.

00:15:18.360 Not just your run of the mill emergency, because what it is, is a form of martial law.

00:15:22.760 And what that means is you are going to suspend charter rights for people in the face of an emergency.

00:15:29.240 And of all of those, I don't think it was even used necessarily, but symbolically of being able to force a tow truck driver to labor for them, basically. 0.77

00:15:37.640 And I say with a gun to their head. And I mean, I know there wasn't a literal one, but hey, if you eventually push the police far enough when you've got an order against you, that's what you can end up with.

00:15:45.120 Yeah. And then they wanted to press gangs. I mean, you know, they could come on the street and grab you and force labor.

00:15:53.620 This is not a minor thing. This is what happens in third world countries. 1.00

00:15:57.760 People have to understand how serious that was and what was invoked there.

00:16:00.940 And I don't think enough Canadians get it.

00:16:02.580 Now, you know, I was, I was thinking about, where is it here?

00:16:08.480 I was thinking about this, of course, yesterday and the day before as I was tweeting and posting on Facebook about Tamara and this injustice.

00:16:18.140 And I came across this famous quote by a Lutheran pastor a number of years ago.

00:16:24.860 And we've often heard it, but I want to read it out.

00:16:28.220 And I wrote it down, Corey, to make sure I didn't misquote.

00:16:32.400 First, they came for the socialists and I did not speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

00:16:37.760 Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

00:16:43.140 Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. 0.93

00:16:49.700 Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.

00:16:55.120 You know, end of quote.

00:16:57.240 Corey, I know that some people will be appalled that I said that and that I'm overstating it.

00:17:04.440 But I don't believe I am.

00:17:05.880 If we as Canadians allow Tamara Leash to be persecuted in this way, to remain behind bars for mischief, for a peaceful democratic protest, I think this country is going down a very slippery slope.

00:17:23.760 That's it.

00:17:24.000 That's that principle of standing up for the rights of others, even if you don't necessarily agree with their cause.

00:17:28.160 So again, worldwide, you wanted to speak on some of those world issues while we still got you here.

00:17:32.040 We've got a crazy world on the go right now.

00:17:34.320 Exactly.

00:17:35.180 We've got the farmer protest about the dramatic increase in the price and cost of fertilizer and what the government's trying to impose upon them in Holland, in the Netherlands.

00:17:47.560 We've got what we saw on the news recently about the mass protests in Sri Lanka that forced the resignation of the president.

00:17:55.460 You know, it's really I think this whole business, this ridiculous worldwide addressing of supposed climate change is coming home to roost because there is a line there.

00:18:09.660 Yes, we all want to be environmentally conscious and do what we can to protect our environment.

00:18:15.580 Always have, always will.

00:18:17.080 But this business of where they're going to force people off the land, they're going to dramatically impact the production of food.

00:18:27.340 And we already know that the world because of our population, our growth in population, all we've got to do is have a bad famine.

00:18:35.760 And you're going to have a lot of people that aren't just suffering or struggling to pay the food that goes on the table like we are in Canada, but much more than that, Corey.

00:18:45.740 And so we're seeing this growth of worldwide protests.

00:18:49.960 Well, the world's tense.

00:18:51.420 We've had two unprecedented years of basically every developed nation contracting economically, stepping on the rights of individuals.

00:19:00.040 People can argue whether it was justified or not, but we were locked up.

00:19:03.860 We were I saw some clown on there saying there was never even a lockdown.

00:19:07.220 People shouldn't even use that term. 0.68

00:19:08.420 Come on.

00:19:09.260 When you're forced out of your business, when you're forced to shut down, when you're fined for going out in groups of more than a couple of people.

00:19:14.760 And this is a crazy thing.

00:19:17.540 And now the price is coming.

00:19:19.320 I mean, people are upset.

00:19:20.660 They're prickly.

00:19:21.480 I think they've lost a lot of trust in the states, you know, not just Canada, as you're saying, everywhere.

00:19:26.180 And these governments can't push the envelope the way they used to.

00:19:28.640 People are ready to push back.

00:19:29.960 And I ranted about that with the Dutch. 1.00

00:19:32.400 And again, the mainstream media, boy, they're silent on this.

00:19:34.720 Yeah.

00:19:35.660 But the Dutch, you don't think of them standing up that much. 0.98

00:19:38.200 Well, they're ticked off.

00:19:38.920 They've had it.

00:19:39.380 At least the farmers have.

00:19:40.240 Well, and you see those photographs so reminiscent of what started.

00:19:45.420 Last January in Canada with the truckers' protest.

00:19:48.900 Over there, it's the farmers.

00:19:50.300 Because they know with what the government of Holland has said, many of them will lose their farms.

00:19:57.280 And those that struggle to survive aren't going to be making sufficient because they can't grow enough without fertilizer.

00:20:03.740 And we've got a growing problem in Canada.

00:20:06.060 I was talking to my brother the other day who farms up in the peace country, and he was saying that the cost of fertilizer has gone up unbelievably in Canada.

00:20:15.080 And it was already high before last fall when he was out anhydrousing for this year's crop.

00:20:20.120 And so we're not far behind folks.

00:20:23.320 And when it affects the farmers and their ability to properly fertilize and feed their crop, it's going to affect how many bushels they get, what their long-time financial viability will be, and ultimately how many loaves of bread that can be produced.

00:20:41.280 Yeah, and we've got this ideologically blinded government.

00:20:44.240 So we saw that with Freeland the other day.

00:20:47.140 When we're talking about the energy prices, and she comes up and says, this is the reason we have to move even further towards electricity. 0.98

00:20:53.200 No, you fool. 0.99

00:20:54.560 You really are clueless. 1.00

00:20:55.840 And I tell you what, and I've said this for years, and we're seeing it now, the environment doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't fill your fridge and you can't pay your rent.

00:21:03.380 It doesn't matter how ideological or how concerned a person was about the fluffy bunnies and the temperature 20 years from now.

00:21:09.820 If they can't feed their family or pay for the roof over their head, they're going to rebel.

00:21:14.920 This government doesn't get it yet.

00:21:16.720 But some governments are starting to get it pretty quickly now.

00:21:19.420 Yeah, and you know, one of the things that's so frustrating, and I think even more so for someone yourself that's on air, ranting day after day, trying to draw people's attention to this.

00:21:31.440 We get some great comments, but they're just a handful of people that are paying attention.

00:21:36.940 The masses are either tuned out or they're ambivalent or they apparently just don't care what is coming at us.

00:21:44.760 And it is so frustrating, and it's so annoying for those of us that are involved in trying to message this.

00:21:53.940 And for those people out there, Corey, that say, well, what can I do about it?

00:21:58.320 You know, I was, again, doing a bit of research, and I reflected back on the 1980s, and a fellow in Poland, his name was, well, he's still around, Lech Walesa.

00:22:11.060 And he led a movement called the Solidarity Movement.

00:22:15.620 It started out in the Gdansk shipyards as a strike against the communist government of Poland.

00:22:22.340 They wanted democracy.

00:22:24.840 And, you know, it just grew and grew and grew, and they finally forced that government's resignation.

00:22:30.140 And arguably, they played a key role in the Iron Curtain being destroyed and ultimately the breakup of the Soviet Union.

00:22:39.320 So when people think, well, you know, there's nothing that we can do, you know, I point to things like that in history where people have had the courage to stand up and be counted, and some amazing things happen.

00:22:51.940 And I think we're starting to see that similar with this farmer protest, even with our own arguably Freedom Convoy back in the winter.

00:23:00.460 People are reaching a breaking point, and they're saying government just doesn't listen.

00:23:06.620 These politicians are saying exactly what we want to hear, and then they get elected or re-elected, and the next thing you know, you know, it's the same old, same old.

00:23:15.920 It's the status quo.

00:23:17.440 Two leadership races now for conservatives that Albertans support conservatives, and both provincially and federally.

00:23:24.600 And what are those candidates saying, with the exception perhaps of Daniel and Pierre Paulieff at the federal level?

00:23:32.040 Will they walk the walk if they win?

00:23:36.800 Yeah, well, and it's always a hard one to believe.

00:23:40.400 We get frustrated a lot.

00:23:41.380 I believe that was a lot of Jason Kenney's downfall.

00:23:44.060 Again, he promised big, and he delivered low, and people wouldn't put up with that.

00:23:48.420 But I got a feeling at least in Alberta, they're going to know whoever wins is going to know better.

00:23:52.800 Like, they're not going to stay in that leadership if they don't follow through at least some of their platform, depending on, unless it's one of the liberals.

00:23:59.580 The frustrating thing for me, though, at the federal level, and why I've been saying for the last two years since I got involved in launching Maverick,

00:24:07.340 is that I'm a slow learner, is because, okay, everybody jumps Pierre Paulieff.

00:24:13.240 Okay, he's saying all the right things, especially for Western Canada, especially for Alberta.

00:24:16.860 Canada, and hopefully he'll do it if he becomes prime minister.

00:24:20.140 I'm not convinced, even if he wins the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada, that he can win the government.

00:24:25.300 And he has to have a majority.

00:24:26.800 Remember, I was there in two Harper minorities, and how hard it is to get anything done in a minority situation, a conservative minority.

00:24:36.680 If you're a liberal, of course, you just get the NDP to support you, and away you go, just the same as if you had a majority.

00:24:42.320 But for the Conservatives, will he, as I say, walk the walk?

00:24:47.900 Can he win a majority by sticking to this type of a platform?

00:24:52.940 Is it going to sell in central Canada?

00:24:54.820 And then most importantly, folks, what happens the next time?

00:24:58.540 We've been going through this cycle for 100 years now, or more than 100 years.

00:25:04.660 And sooner or later, central and eastern Canada will say, well, I don't really like what Pierre Paulyev, as our prime minister, just as they did with Stephen Harper.

00:25:13.540 I don't really like what he's doing.

00:25:15.400 We're going to vote liberal again.

00:25:17.360 And then what?

00:25:18.760 We're right back in the same thing.

00:25:20.680 That's why the West has to do something different.

00:25:24.640 Oh, absolutely.

00:25:25.420 I mean, the system has to change.

00:25:27.400 But I mean, there's something I say a lot, too, which is a depressing one, but it's true.

00:25:30.260 Things have to get worse before they get better, and they've been getting progressively worse.

00:25:34.440 They always will bottom out, though.

00:25:36.080 I think people will realize, to a degree, the futility of playing within a system that's stacked against you.

00:25:43.600 Exactly.

00:25:44.400 But we just have to keep going.

00:25:45.960 It's as I said, too, we get people are cynical.

00:25:47.460 They say, I'll give up, or I won't.

00:25:49.800 Or I'll move.

00:25:51.440 But where are you going to move in the world that's any damn better?

00:25:54.600 That's the problem, folks.

00:25:56.240 We've got to change it here to make it better, so people want to move here.

00:25:59.660 Well, that's it.

00:26:00.320 So trying and losing is still better than throwing up your hands and guaranteeing a loss.

00:26:04.520 Yeah.

00:26:05.500 We've just got to keep at it.

00:26:06.840 It's as frustrating as it is.

00:26:08.080 It's a term we use a lot right now.

00:26:09.860 Well, what I would like to see, I think, and you yourself, Corey, is that people in both leadership races for the Conservatives,

00:26:17.620 for Alberta's information, that they would be asked and commit to a timeline.

00:26:23.880 Like, Danielle Smith says that one of our first things will be to bring forward this Sovereignty Act, I think it's called.

00:26:31.400 And great.

00:26:32.980 Okay.

00:26:33.380 What follows that?

00:26:34.940 What specific laws, federal laws, have you identified, Danielle, that you will commit to not adhering to?

00:26:43.260 You don't need to repeal them.

00:26:44.360 You can't do that.

00:26:45.220 They're federal laws.

00:26:46.160 But you can commit to not implementing them here in Alberta.

00:26:50.220 How quickly will you move on an Alberta pension plan?

00:26:54.500 I mean, people want to know that.

00:26:56.420 And as you say, that was the problem with Jason.

00:26:59.020 He talked all these lines about the Fair Deal panel recommendations, right?

00:27:03.140 And then he got in there.

00:27:05.700 Nothing's happened.

00:27:06.780 Nothing has happened in that regard, other than that referendum that really didn't prove anything.

00:27:11.900 We already knew what the result was going to be, that Albertans are saying no to equalization, as it's formulated currently.

00:27:21.460 And yeah.

00:27:22.280 Didn't tell us anything.

00:27:23.120 And he gave us a chief firearms officer.

00:27:24.700 Okay, good.

00:27:25.440 Yeah.

00:27:25.700 But the pension plan, the RCP, come on, enough.

00:27:28.260 How many times have you got to get yes on the ground before you say, okay, we're going to do it?

00:27:32.140 Good meddling around, kicking the can down the road.

00:27:34.840 So I hope in those two leadership races that, especially the front runners, are forced to commit to a timeline so that people, as they did with Jason, can hold them accountable, ultimately.

00:27:47.780 Yeah.

00:27:48.300 Well, we'll see.

00:27:49.620 It's going to be a long summer of politics.

00:27:51.540 And well, thank you for coming in to talk to us today.

00:27:53.620 I'll kind of wrap up the show here, guys.

00:27:56.100 Always lost the cover.

00:27:57.320 We've solved a couple of the world's problems, I think, today.

00:27:59.540 Well, hopefully we've at least, again, reinforced in your viewers' minds the need to take some action.

00:28:08.080 A good friend of mine, Preston Manning, always says, well, okay, that's fine to talk about it, Corey, but people need to do something.

00:28:16.280 Yeah.

00:28:16.360 Well, and I think in the wise words of a guy who's not typically called wise, I think it was Mike Tyson, who he said, everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the face.

00:28:24.140 So all the fluffy plans and environmentalism, that's fine, but you're about to get punched in the face.

00:28:28.700 So you're going to have to reevaluate your plan in a hurry.

00:28:31.140 And I think that'll mean a lot of people, though, perhaps standing up, even if late, it's better late than never.

00:28:34.780 Yep.

00:28:35.220 And we'll get some changes yet.

Western Standard - July 13, 2022

Jay Hill on Tamara Lich's incarceration & federal issues

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