Western Standard - Killing gun rights, ostriches, and the notwithstanding clause

00:00:00.000 G'day, today is September 24th, 2025.

00:00:29.060 I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the

00:00:31.020 Western Standard. You're watching The Pipeline.

00:00:33.600 I'm joined by my usual crew

00:00:35.340 of good friends here.

00:00:37.040 Former Western Standard opinion editor,

00:00:38.780 Nigel Hannaford. Here again.

00:00:41.260 On time. Yeah. Western Standard

00:00:42.900 senior Alberta columnist, Corey Morgan.

00:00:44.920 Always a pleasure. And

00:00:46.760 Western Standard BC columnist,

00:00:49.120 Elise Mills.

00:00:51.700 Hi, guys.

00:00:53.500 Coming to us from the left coast.

00:00:55.060 Okay. Well, we're...

00:00:57.140 There's a common theme today about

00:00:59.060 Killing good things.

00:01:01.560 Killing the notwithstanding

00:01:03.440 clause.

00:01:05.440 Moves by the

00:01:07.100 feds to fight

00:01:09.020 the use of the notwithstanding clause in Quebec

00:01:10.840 around some of the usual Quebec Frenchie issues.

00:01:15.200 Resistance to using it

00:01:16.620 in Alberta

00:01:17.540 for radical things like keeping boys

00:01:20.940 out of girls' sports.

00:01:24.360 Killing

00:01:25.040 the credibility

00:01:26.720 of the BC Conservative Party.

00:01:29.060 quickly descending into chaos as there are major questions arising about the validity of the

00:01:38.060 leadership review of BC Conservative leader John Rustat as that caucus continues to lose members.

00:01:44.320 It feels daily. It's not daily, but they're just continuing to shed MLAs. So killing the

00:01:50.460 BC Conservative Party slowly and killing ostriches. BC. BC's twice on the list today.

00:01:58.060 We have the continuing ostrich scenario as the government, there's been a stay of execution by the courts to stop ostrich Waco going down.

00:02:12.140 We're going to talk about that.

00:02:13.480 But we're going to start with killing gun rights.

00:02:17.820 We'll start with Corey here.

00:02:20.120 The Liberal Public Safety Minister's last name I will not even begin to try and pronounce.

00:02:25.320 um well i know as much about how to pronounce his name as he seems to know about gun rights he was

00:02:31.120 notoriously slaughtered in the house of commons in a debate with andrew lawton the guy has no idea

00:02:36.700 on even the most rudimentary of rudimentary of oh here's his last name ananasen gary

00:02:43.800 okay well they just call him gun grab gary was gun grab gary let's just let's just go with that

00:02:51.320 rather than massacred name.

00:02:54.020 The guy knows not even an entry level of information about guns.

00:02:59.460 Like, if this guy tried to write the possession and acquisition license test,

00:03:04.640 they'd laugh him out.

00:03:06.660 He'd get almost zero.

00:03:08.380 He'd get zero out of ten.

00:03:10.900 But then there was a recording,

00:03:13.980 a surreptitious recording of him with, I guess,

00:03:16.540 someone who rents a property from him who's a gun owner and not too happy

00:03:20.600 And in short, I think I'm getting this right, Corey.

00:03:24.420 He says, yes, I know it's stupid.

00:03:27.280 None of this is going to work.

00:03:28.520 It's going to be expensive.

00:03:29.700 And it's just going to possibly make crime worse.

00:03:32.660 But we're doing it anyway because Quebec.

00:03:36.300 Yeah, and you're pretty much paraphrasing it.

00:03:38.360 But that's what it comes down to.

00:03:40.180 I'm barely paraphrasing.

00:03:41.760 And just the inability to get people to turn these things in.

00:03:48.040 this buyback program i mean it's not a feasible buyer article buyback always in quotes because

00:03:53.400 the government never had them and they're not buying and and they you know if you want to go

00:03:57.160 back to that thought that this is all based on trying to to win votes in quebec uh unfortunately

00:04:04.280 it goes all the way back to the the terrible massacre of women at the the polytech and since

00:04:11.560 then with their failed efforts with the gun registry they've brought in they spent billions

00:04:15.080 of dollars when it was supposed to cost millions of dollars. They failed to register most of the

00:04:19.460 firearms in the country. And then it got scrapped by Stephen Harper. But it's like, they just will

00:04:24.300 not give up on this hang up. So now it's a case of, well, we're not going to register them.

00:04:27.760 We're just going to incrementally illegalize them. And because Canadians are all such law

00:04:32.940 abiding citizens, they will just happily come in and turn in their firearms. And it's just been a

00:04:39.220 failure right from the beginning. I mean, it's been five years since Trudeau illegalized all

00:04:43.740 those different firearms and they still haven't managed to get any brought in they've extended

00:04:48.400 the amnesty now to 2026 they just keep kicking that down the road and it's signaling to every

00:04:53.560 firearm owner you know to basically never admit that they're a firearm owner and just don't comply

00:04:59.200 the liberals will never get it together and come down but it was a rare moment of honesty from a

00:05:03.540 liberal minister is the reality he's up the creek for being honest Nigel uh I have to give credit

00:05:10.920 where it's new uh the minister gun grab gary was on uh cbc power politics and uh the host of the

00:05:19.360 show i can't recall his name uh he he actually did a fairly good interview i thought with him

00:05:24.340 um where he read some of his quotes to him and says do you agree with yourself and he would

00:05:32.340 he would read one piece and he'd say oh no uh you know no i don't really need it more or less

00:05:37.900 Oh, no, well, I just shouldn't have said that.

00:05:41.060 Why don't you give us maybe some of the greatest hits?

00:05:42.600 You've got Westrum Snitter, a reporter, Jeremy Borg's story here.

00:05:47.360 Why don't you give kind of some of the greatest hits of his candid moments on him admitting how terrible an idea this is?

00:05:54.560 Yeah, so here we go with a press conference on Tuesday.

00:05:59.300 Quebec has been impacted

00:06:06.920 by gun violence, by mass casualty

00:06:08.960 events over a number of decades.

00:06:10.480 It was a live real issue for Quebecers.

00:06:12.460 Well, there was that one, dreadful one

00:06:14.520 that

00:06:14.860 that

00:06:16.140 Corey

00:06:18.340 Yeah, it was a commentary in terms of the

00:06:22.400 ability of police.

00:06:23.600 He's responding there because in private, he says

00:06:26.460 the police are not going to do this.

00:06:28.480 that he's just saying,

00:06:30.240 well, he's flubbing it off.

00:06:33.720 So this may not be

00:06:35.280 the story you thought it was.

00:06:36.540 We've got a different one up with all his quotes.

00:06:40.040 But yeah,

00:06:40.760 he's just said,

00:06:42.680 I know this is not going to work.

00:06:44.740 The police aren't going to do it.

00:06:46.440 Firearms owners are not going to comply

00:06:48.580 at all.

00:06:50.860 We're not even providing full compensation.

00:06:53.780 I doubt even most gun owners

00:06:55.040 would end it in even if it was full compensation

00:06:56.700 because you want your guns.

00:06:58.480 Ah, here he is. Gun grab Gary in his own words.

00:07:02.720 Yeah, it's...

00:07:03.720 I don't think this is a CBC one, is it?

00:07:06.100 No, no, it's the transcript.

00:07:08.200 Okay, well, here we go.

00:07:09.320 Well, we can't read through the full transcript. It's fairly long.

00:07:12.100 But it's just, the guy is admitting, we are doing a stupid thing.

00:07:17.200 We know that we are doing a stupid thing.

00:07:19.660 And we're doing this stupid thing because we have too many votes at stake in Quebec.

00:07:25.180 That's it.

00:07:25.920 so he says i thought it was voluntary and gary says oh it is voluntary so let me ask you this

00:07:34.460 if it's a voluntary buyback some people call it confiscation yeah so i've got a couple of options

00:07:39.460 my option is to go have it deactivated at my cost you'll get compensation for that okay so i get

00:07:45.220 compensation for deactivation but so i basically have a firearm that would never be able to be

00:07:49.360 used again it's basically an ornament so give it to you well it's easy i mean who's collecting a

00:07:56.300 collection agency as well what you know so anyway get shot back yeah uh so at least this is i have

00:08:05.040 never seen anything quite like this i mean it is kind of a shame nowadays that you're never really

00:08:10.420 private someone might be recording you but his privacy is not my concern here i mean i wouldn't

00:08:16.660 like if someone did it to me, but if I was a minister of the crown in charge of a very important

00:08:21.800 section of public policy, and I was admitting in black and white language at length in several

00:08:28.720 different ways that I know I'm doing a stupid thing that will not work, it will probably have

00:08:34.400 negative outcomes, but I'm doing it purely for partisan political reasons, I feel like that might

00:08:42.060 be a moment for a mature grown-up government as this is supposed to be led by Mark Carney to say

00:08:47.200 you know what we're going to take a pause on this uh we'll get we're going to go back to the

00:08:52.500 drawing board we'll get back to you later I feel like that would be an excuse for Carney to back

00:08:56.600 out of this Trudeau era policy well there's a couple things so first of all the minister

00:09:01.680 I have I've had a problem with this minister from day dot this minister has attachments to

00:09:08.460 tamil tigers which is a terrorist organization there has been lots of questions about his uh

00:09:15.720 what should we say his previous cv why he's still there i don't know what he has on mark carney

00:09:22.500 because i can tell you right now there are several other better qualified people in that

00:09:29.120 caucus to be a minister of public safety and yet he hangs on to gary uh gary has i i would ask our

00:09:37.960 viewers to take a look at the trajectory of Gary's career. This is not somebody that I think the

00:09:43.880 Americans would be particularly impressed to be doing business with, considering he also has the

00:09:49.420 other hot potato file of what was the border plan under Trudeau, which is now the Kearney border

00:09:56.840 plan. But getting back to the origin story of this, so to speak, the minister wasn't there

00:10:03.860 to have this conversation. The minister started this conversation. The person that taped him or

00:10:11.420 recorded him without his permission, which I agree is an absolute violation, was doing so

00:10:18.580 in their mind because they believed they needed to capture what he was saying because they had

00:10:23.680 something to do with a housing issue. I'm not quite sure what that was all about. But then the

00:10:29.260 minister out of nowhere launches into with with no probing or prodding by the the other individual

00:10:35.360 in this conversation goes into the gun uh buyback program which tells me that this it further

00:10:43.200 encourages me to encourage everyone else to ask why gary is the minister of public safety it's

00:10:50.480 not like he's the minister of women's you know women's issues which we know is a fake fake

00:10:55.740 ministry or the minister more about women's issues than guns though well he well yeah i well

00:11:01.820 yeah depending on well we could i i speculate on that considering his relationship with tamil tigers

00:11:06.740 but um there who has a propensity for violence um but is he's definitely not the right person

00:11:13.720 there and everybody in the press gallery is scratching their head why is he still there

00:11:18.720 It's become a running joke.

00:11:19.960 But I would also say that the way that he speaks to the issue really demonstrates, I think, what he's hearing in caucus, what he's hearing from even the prime minister.

00:11:32.120 This is all political stagecraft to keep Quebec on side.

00:11:37.640 It's still bloody awful.

00:11:39.420 It's still absolutely wrong, as it was in its first incarnation in 1998 under what was then C-48, the long gun registry, which was an absolute nightmare.

00:11:50.620 But this is just another iteration of this. But I don't think the Liberal caucus or cabinet has their heart in this.

00:11:58.940 And I think his his sentiment or hit the statements he's making and the comments he's making and sort of the flagrant sort of informality of what he's of how he's talking about this, I think, really speaks to that as well.

00:12:13.340 But I it's definitely not sincere. And then you see, you know, Premier Smith come out and direct, you know, law enforcement, do not waste your time picking up people's guns or taking people's guns.

00:12:23.680 And I would also say that Quebec has retorted or responded to this by saying, actually, this this gun law or this buyback program has nothing to do with what we actually asked for.

00:12:36.400 And there is one particular semi-automatic weapon on there.

00:12:40.280 And I can't remember. You gentlemen might know it.

00:12:42.840 Yeah, that wasn't even included.

00:12:44.740 So this is all stagecraft.

00:12:46.520 That's because the SKS is politically correct.

00:12:50.100 But screw it.

00:12:50.520 It's because it's commonly used by indigenous people for hunting.

00:12:54.660 Yes.

00:12:55.180 The SKS is a very, it's, I believe it's Czech made.

00:12:59.860 It's kind of a Soviet.

00:13:00.900 There's Chinese ones too.

00:13:02.100 Yeah, there is Chinese ones.

00:13:03.140 Yeah.

00:13:03.320 They're cheap.

00:13:03.760 But it was, I think it was originally a Chinese made, I mean, to the uninitiative you look at it, it looks kind of like an AK-47, but it's very much not.

00:13:11.340 It's semi-automatic.

00:13:12.360 It functions pretty much like any other hunting rifle, but it's cheap.

00:13:15.640 I mean, the communists couldn't make anything well and cheaply except for small arms.

00:13:21.540 At least 762-35 ammunition.

00:13:23.900 If I had one, that's what I would buy.

00:13:30.380 So can we just add that this is another example of two tiers of justice in this country, right?

00:13:40.700 Look at, I mean, we're going to get into this about the hostage situation.

00:13:44.680 but first nations are even down to sentencing that to that stagecraft that's going on that

00:13:52.520 political maneuvering is breaking this country right when canadians realize that this is all

00:13:57.320 a sham and it's all political theater for quebec especially for those in the west who have been

00:14:02.720 asked to uh to put a lot of water in their wine repeatedly this is just another brick on the pile

00:14:10.100 that's going to break the backs of especially Western Canadians

00:14:12.980 in their trust in their government.

00:14:15.800 Look, I don't begrudge a politician for doing politics.

00:14:21.640 I mean, it's one of the downsides of a democracy

00:14:26.240 is that the objective is to get votes to get in power

00:14:30.660 and keep votes to stay in power.

00:14:33.020 Politicians are going to do politics.

00:14:35.280 but the value proposition of mark carney was that he's above politics he's the he's a grown-up in

00:14:43.700 the room he's not going to be the pandering amateur hour justin trudeau he is mark freaking

00:14:50.260 carney and he's going to make decisions non-ideologically now if you believe that

00:14:55.080 uh i got a gun buyback program for you but uh now we've got them bloody admitting it i would

00:15:02.720 You know, and I, so okay, he wants to keep his votes in Quebec. But, you know, Nigel, wouldn't this, this would be an opportunity with, you know, with this, you know, the leak of the recording with the minister here, this would be an opportunity for him to say, you know what, I wasn't all that briefed on this when I became prime minister.

00:15:23.960 I was a prime minister for a couple days, like a week

00:15:26.040 or two, and we called an election, you know, I signed

00:15:28.080 some fake executive orders, like I was president

00:15:30.140 it's become apparent

00:15:32.220 this was a bad idea

00:15:33.140 but do we still believe in getting assault style

00:15:36.120 guns out of people's hands

00:15:38.120 we'll get back to you, and this is a way to let

00:15:40.220 it die

00:15:41.300 they have decided not to do that

00:15:44.280 they're still going forward here

00:15:45.880 I think this is

00:15:47.900 going to be, I don't think it's going to hurt

00:15:49.960 the liberals with liberal voters, liberal voters

00:15:51.940 can't tell the difference between a BB gun and a bazooka.

00:15:54.920 And so they see scary guns, and they want them gone.

00:15:58.380 I don't think it's going to hurt them with liberal voters,

00:16:00.180 but I think it will hurt them with some of the moderate conservative voters

00:16:03.600 who were hoping that he was that grown-up in the room,

00:16:07.460 the Mark Carney value proposition.

00:16:08.900 It would have been pretty easy to do for this what he did for the EV rule.

00:16:15.320 Just say, we've got to think this one through.

00:16:17.380 Give us a year, and just get it off the table for now.

00:16:20.560 So, I mean, I do find it surprising that there isn't a stronger hunting lobby in Quebec.

00:16:24.920 I do know that people in Quebec hunt and that they have firearms in the home for all the same reasons that people in Alberta have firearms in their own.

00:16:35.640 So, why this is such a priority for Quebec and for the Bloc Quebecois, well, I mean, they have their own reasons, I'm sure.

00:16:44.940 But it would have been an easy enough one for Mr. Carney to step back from and just give people more time.

00:16:51.900 Meanwhile, I'm very encouraged to see the response in Ontario of all the places I didn't expect.

00:16:59.340 They're not keen on going out and taking guns out of people's houses here in Alberta.

00:17:05.640 Best place to be in Canada if gun rights are important to you.

00:17:09.040 I can't see this thing flying nationally

00:17:12.880 because there are too many people

00:17:15.180 in the provinces who are against it

00:17:17.320 so

00:17:17.520 plus the price of back-to-back

00:17:20.260 Speaking of provinces, now let's shift

00:17:23.180 to Elise's

00:17:25.020 area of the woods here

00:17:26.740 The

00:17:28.800 BC Conservatives

00:17:30.400 you know, they had a meteoric rise

00:17:33.460 they came from nothing to something

00:17:35.160 they swallowed the BC United

00:17:37.240 Liberals whole

00:17:38.900 It was, you know, I've told friends in BC, you know, because they had a lot of chaos since the election.

00:17:45.180 I told them, you know what?

00:17:46.460 Don't be too worried about it.

00:17:48.880 You know, I'm a veteran.

00:17:50.060 Corey Morgan's a veteran of the Wild Rose PC Wars here in Alberta.

00:17:53.960 You would think of the reformed PC Wars federally.

00:17:56.340 You guys had by far the cleanest conservative civil war, and you settled it before you even get into an election, more or less.

00:18:05.160 So good on you guys.

00:18:06.980 You'll get through it.

00:18:07.820 It's growing.

00:18:08.260 your growing pains are a lot less than we've had.

00:18:11.080 But they're not stopping.

00:18:12.380 They seem to be getting worse.

00:18:14.140 They lost a couple of MLAs in a row months ago

00:18:16.580 for comments that John Rustad declared to be racist or something.

00:18:22.600 And they were not.

00:18:23.360 They were very much not.

00:18:24.280 I thought it was ridiculous putting out Dallas Brody there

00:18:27.640 and then some others followed her in solidarity.

00:18:31.180 And then they've had this leadership review.

00:18:34.680 And, you know, there was definitely some discontent.

00:18:36.980 coming through this, but it was a bizarre

00:18:39.780 leadership review. It was not held on a single day

00:18:41.740 the way every other leadership review that I'm

00:18:43.700 aware of in the history of Canada and every political

00:18:45.560 party has been done. It was held over, I think,

00:18:47.820 several months, kind of writing by

00:18:49.620 writing. I mean,

00:18:51.460 that doesn't make it necessarily bad, but it's

00:18:53.620 an odd thing to do.

00:18:55.460 I guess it allows the leader to go to the people voting

00:18:57.720 and be there face-to-face, make a good

00:18:59.620 impression. These things are always stacked

00:19:01.660 in favor of the leader. That's just the way it works,

00:19:03.600 so that's not too untoward, but

00:19:05.220 um he apparently passed it not that strong with about 70-ish percent or the high 60s

00:19:12.700 high 60s and then he immediately kicked someone else out of caucus now not because they were too

00:19:17.580 conservative but i guess just as we weren't getting long irreconcilable differences takes

00:19:21.860 them out of caucus no vote of the caucus again just unilaterally kicks them out not as a caucus

00:19:26.160 decision but as a leader's decision um so and then you know we've had some reporting i think uh i

00:19:34.440 I think it was just yesterday from the Western Standards, BC Bureau Chief Jared Yager was some really interesting information that casts doubts on even if and a fairly low leadership result.

00:19:45.500 He got already below 70 percent. I'll let you go, Elise, and set it up about there's some pretty serious questions that have now been raised about the validity of even that result.

00:19:57.520 It was the most strange leadership review I have ever seen. And I have been around politics starting in BC for 25 years. And to have a staggered leadership review without there being a convention at the end of it.

00:20:17.520 I mean, you can do the weekend leadership review if you want, but there always should be the convention at the end of it where the results are announced publicly.

00:20:28.020 So one of the I just want to preface this.

00:20:30.620 It has been a clown car of a ride for roughly four or five months, but it's been chaotic for, I would say, even since last year, even before the election last year.

00:20:43.740 And and I think one thing that people across the country need to understand is we didn't have a civil war because the B.C. liberals laid down arms.

00:20:53.060 They just walked away. There wasn't even either. Nobody even threw a through a little pebble that way.

00:21:00.020 Kevin Falcon saw the writing you know on the wall and basically just sort of once Eleanor Sturko the

00:21:08.060 the MLA that we're talking about today that was booted from caucus once she crossed the floor

00:21:13.320 the the die was cast for Kevin Falcon I will say let's and also let's just talk about Eleanor

00:21:19.500 Sturko why she was booted from caucus is from some of the very same tradecraft and trickery

00:21:28.020 that john rustad himself got up to when i was working with the bc liberals under gordon campbell

00:21:34.080 and he was an mla and he was a minister of i believe it was forest he joined a ragtag group

00:21:41.060 of 15 mlas and they quickly formed into an aggressive force that challenged my former boss

00:21:47.940 and my former party in a very aggressive way now when all was said and done and there was i would

00:21:54.660 say that Mr. Campbell and his staff around him managed that really well because Mr. Rustad was

00:22:02.460 folded back into caucus. And I want to remind everybody, if a premier or a leader managed the

00:22:09.340 way that John has every dissenting voice, you wouldn't have a caucus left. People on the outside

00:22:15.200 don't realize how rough and ready it gets in certain provinces and in certain political parties,

00:22:21.920 and ours was one of them this is the same situation that's happened in the bc conservative

00:22:27.680 party this also stems from mr rustad not actually taking strong leadership uh in in how he managed

00:22:35.440 his pockets these issues have been allowed to pile up and pile up and pile up and it really

00:22:40.800 started with the exodus of dallas brody which you mentioned garrett and you're right her the the

00:22:46.720 the comments, the headline was pretty egregious, but compared to what really happened, she was

00:22:52.880 questioning residential school unmarked graves, which I think we now know a lot of people have

00:22:58.980 questioned. I don't want to tumble into that bee's nest of a policy conversation. But with her,

00:23:06.300 she took three or she took, yeah, she took three MLAs with her and she took a chief of staff with

00:23:12.080 her and that has and then they created their own party one bc so now we have two conservative

00:23:19.560 parties on on the spectrum here and the bc united or bc liberals turned into bc united

00:23:26.180 they're still a technically a party then their party that didn't or their members that didn't

00:23:31.520 like that kevin falcon had sort of folded and allowed the not ran any candidates during the

00:23:37.120 October election from last year. They, the decision created the Liberal Party of British

00:23:44.120 Columbia, which we fought to get rid of when we changed their name to BC Liberal and then BC

00:23:49.180 United. So it's a real mess. And right now, what's really sad about this is that John Rustad

00:23:54.840 had the advantage. Right after that election, it was a razor edge election. Mr. Evie definitely

00:24:02.540 does not have a secure mandate and we could go into an election at any time. And quite frankly,

00:24:07.440 we should be going into an election at any time. But the reality is, is this BC Conservative

00:24:12.400 Caucus has not been ready for a very long time. It's incredibly disappointing. And when he kicked

00:24:17.680 Eleanor Sturko out, who, by the way, former RCMP officer in the battlefields of Surrey,

00:24:23.680 she was tough on crime. She was a force to be reckoned with. And when she crossed over from

00:24:28.840 BC United and endorsed, basically endorsing the BC Conservatives' platform on crime and justice.

00:24:36.920 Many people came with her and it bridged the gap between the ardent social conservatives of the BC

00:24:42.920 Conservative Party that for the last eight years, nine years, haven't been able to get of their own

00:24:47.960 way and make any advances with the voters here in British Columbia. It bridged the gap between

00:24:55.600 the ardent social conservatives the sort of social conservatives and fiscal conservatives and then

00:25:00.600 just the fiscal conservatives and what i would call the blue liberals i wasn't necessarily totally

00:25:06.120 pleased by bringing more blue liberals over because i thought we got rid of them with the bc united

00:25:10.360 but i understood that this is british columbia and we need to we need to have a larger tent than

00:25:16.540 maybe what they wanted she brought all of that and she brought credibility she was the strongest

00:25:21.300 performer in the caucus there's two other uh strong performers in the caucus that i can immediately

00:25:26.440 name judy tor and oh i said i was going to immediately name them and i forgot the other

00:25:31.300 person's name but they are strangely quiet and what i understood from somebody that was uh close

00:25:38.220 to what happened in the caucus uh room on monday is it wasn't just one person that was descending

00:25:44.300 descending from john rustad's leadership or questioning it they there were many many many

00:25:49.800 MLAs that were yelling out about how we don't cancel our MLAs. We're not in the business of

00:25:55.140 cancel culture. They had put up with it with Dallas Brody, but they weren't going to put up

00:25:59.440 with it with Eleanor Sturko. And by the way, those were the socially ardent conservatives

00:26:05.320 or the ardently social conservatives that were defending the somewhat liberal Eleanor Sturko.

00:26:10.820 So right now, John Rustad is an anointed leader. He's not an elected leader. It is time for a

00:26:19.400 leadership race, the fraudulent, what is it, 2,100-ish votes that ended up being fraudulent

00:26:26.980 for this leadership race demonstrate that there's a significant problem. They all came from one area

00:26:34.360 and there were two IP addresses that were attached to those. There were three credit cards that were

00:26:39.720 used, but the problem is now, Derek, and the rest of you, that we don't know who, if votes

00:26:46.140 got through before we cancelled their

00:26:48.320 memberships, all of the above, the whole

00:26:50.360 thing's a mess, we look stupid,

00:26:52.640 we look like we can't get it together,

00:26:54.540 so now it's time for a leadership race, and if

00:26:56.260 Mr. Rustad wants to run again,

00:26:58.740 then he has that

00:27:00.080 opportunity, but we need a leadership

00:27:02.260 race. So,

00:27:04.520 Corey,

00:27:05.560 I mean, it's

00:27:06.700 the unofficial bar for staying

00:27:09.540 in the leadership is

00:27:11.360 pretty much barely what

00:27:13.380 John Rustad got. It was kind of unofficially

00:27:15.780 set at, what was it, 66 or 68 by Joe Clark in the late 70s, early, I think in the early 80s.

00:27:24.120 Yeah, early 80s. He didn't make it and Cass very honorably stepped down from the leadership and

00:27:31.240 then ran in that leadership again, which he lost to Brian Mulroney. And ever since then,

00:27:35.020 that's kind of been the bar at, you can't hit above two thirds of your, because this is your

00:27:40.500 own members this is not you know and and you're when you're a leader you have incredible powers

00:27:45.540 of incumbency it's a captive audience they vote right after you talk and everyone's there leader

00:27:50.160 leader leader it's extremely rare that leaders outright lose uh jason kenney would have got i

00:27:56.920 think he got 51 he would have gotten well below that if they hadn't have rigged that one repeatedly

00:28:01.000 uh thomas mulcair lost about below 50 percent uh and then john defenbeger for who was created

00:28:07.220 and that's the reason we have leadership with views now um it was already pretty razor thin

00:28:13.240 at the edge of what's considered an acceptable amount to stay on i i got i've got no bone to

00:28:18.280 pick with john rust that i i tend to like the guy but uh he is got a very tenuous grasp on

00:28:26.860 his caucus it seems right now it seems people are being kicked out for what do not appear to

00:28:31.940 be valid reasons um maybe i'm projecting a bit but um he's just pushing out anyone who

00:28:40.440 seems to be have a different opinion on issues um he barely passed an acceptable level of the race

00:28:50.960 even if those numbers were valid there is now quite sufficient evidence that this was not a

00:28:56.400 legitimate vote. There were a very significant number of eligible voters and therefore very

00:29:03.800 likely ballots cast in this leadership that were fraudulent. Derek, it's important to note that

00:29:11.200 elections BC is going to begin, it's very, very, I mean, we're all expecting it, it's going to begin

00:29:16.000 an investigation because they've broken section two of the Elections Act here. So this is not just

00:29:21.600 a political issue. This speaks to, this is what Eleanor Sturko as a former RCMP member who's

00:29:29.240 misjustice, law and order, which is why we wanted her in the BC Conservatives, or they wanted her

00:29:34.500 in the BC Conservatives. The reality is this breaks the law if proven true. And it's a death

00:29:40.740 nail for John Rustad's leadership. And it's not the only thing. No leader goes down on one issue.

00:29:47.080 They go down by 1,000 cuts, and there's been 1,001.

00:29:50.960 So I just wanted to point it out.

00:29:52.520 It's not just a political issue.

00:29:53.900 It now could be a legal issue.

00:29:56.060 Yeah, it could now be legal.

00:29:59.180 But, I mean, yeah, as Lee said, it's a piling up of issues.

00:30:04.240 There's been a lot of issues here.

00:30:07.900 Can he stay on without outing another race at this point?

00:30:11.420 Or at a minimum, do they have to do the leadership review again?

00:30:14.280 I don't know.

00:30:15.080 I mean, even let's just assume that it was valid.

00:30:17.920 That's a tepid endorsement for a man who hasn't been leading very long and long after an election.

00:30:23.180 I mean, we've seen cases where there was an attempt to take a run at Daniel Smith at the last AGM and she surpassed 90%.

00:30:29.980 She got like high 90.

00:30:31.760 Yeah.

00:30:32.260 And then Ralph Klein, before his decline, Ralph Klein used to win those with 80, 90% way up there.

00:30:39.960 A strong leader should be up there.

00:30:41.240 And the 70 is, that's your warning shot.

00:30:43.720 You're clinging for your life.

00:30:44.740 You've got to do something dramatic because that's going to fester.

00:30:48.260 That's going to get worse.

00:30:49.840 And I don't know, by firing a caucus member the day after is the dramatic move you want to be doing.

00:30:54.120 So he's got a hornet's nest on his hands and he has to make some sort of large pivot.

00:31:01.580 I don't know what that pivot is, but he's in dire, dire trouble.

00:31:06.180 I would say the pivot is that they have to, what he is lacking,

00:31:09.980 uh mean no offense to the incumbent of the president office where there isn't a chief of

00:31:15.540 staff running that the everything that happens behind the background uh behind the facade if

00:31:24.240 you don't have a strong party apparatus which manifestly he doesn't then these things will

00:31:29.460 happen and it's not surprising it's uh it all came together at the last minute well figuratively

00:31:35.400 speaking what are they 18 months old now that just as a sudden desperate uh rejection of the

00:31:42.500 ndp and all the ndp stood for uh well they are but they are a decade old decade plus old i mean

00:31:51.520 they've been around since i was uh yeah the ancient history but in terms of being an electoral

00:31:57.060 well and you should you should also i think the viewers would be interested to know one of the

00:32:04.600 greatest problems that I myself have had, but so many others that are more deeply involved have had

00:32:11.220 is how many NDPers and former NDP chiefs of staff and organizers this guy's hired

00:32:16.740 on his staff. That, that to me spoke volumes. And I mean, these are people that I literally

00:32:24.060 had very aggressive arguments with when I was, when I was a pundit and spokesperson with the

00:32:32.760 bc liberals uh these are people that attacked me during the 2011 and 2015 federal conservative

00:32:38.600 campaigns and he brought them on and then there was this mea copa they wrote these letters they

00:32:44.520 reached out to some of us we're so sorry for our sins that has left a terrible taste in the mouth

00:32:50.080 of many many conservatives uh so yeah there's that as well we gotta we gotta fit for a bit in

00:32:58.640 today so we have to wrap it there but i'll just leave with this uh if you're watching john rustat

00:33:05.140 you you gotta tighten your shit up you gotta bring back all the mlas who who have been kicked out

00:33:13.860 or have followed others in solidarity for getting kicked out uh you've got to rebuild the party

00:33:20.940 apparatus and at a minimum you got to redo this leadership review i like you want you to succeed

00:33:27.580 but this is not going to succeed

00:33:29.740 you gotta tighten this shit up

00:33:31.180 alright

00:33:32.620 speaking of madness in BC

00:33:35.660 let's turn to something I can't call it later

00:33:38.100 somehow in a very

00:33:41.840 dark and twisted way

00:33:43.300 funnier-ish I don't know

00:33:45.480 it's bizarre

00:33:46.520 the ostrich farm owners probably don't consider it

00:33:49.840 funny but it's just kind of funny in that it's become an

00:33:51.700 international story

00:33:52.840 the ostrich crisis

00:33:55.240 Yes, I've got many more puns and attempts at being funny about this coming your way.

00:34:01.040 I've also called it Ostrich Waco.

00:34:03.460 Someone in our newsroom called it Ostrich Ridge, alluding to Ruby Ridge.

00:34:09.020 So, you know, very long story short, concerns about avian flu and whatnot, but none of the existing birds have any traces of it that we know of.

00:34:17.780 And the government is hell-bent on murdering, massacring these poor noble birds.

00:34:25.240 But the owners are not putting their head in the sand.

00:34:28.640 They're fighting on.

00:34:29.520 See, I can keep going.

00:34:30.800 I see that.

00:34:31.640 I got more.

00:34:33.140 I'm here on it.

00:34:35.460 They're fighting on.

00:34:38.060 The cops showed up yesterday with a warrant to take the birds away.

00:34:45.740 The owners of the birds and the farm did not comply.

00:34:49.160 They were arrested, taken away from their beautiful birds.

00:34:53.600 and

00:34:54.460 I guess the RC

00:34:56.700 I think it was the RCs

00:34:59.240 but there was cops there with

00:35:00.800 the wildlife guys

00:35:02.740 set up barriers so that

00:35:05.600 news cameras couldn't

00:35:07.960 get any footage of them murdering

00:35:10.040 the birds and then I gotta

00:35:11.840 give hats off to a friendly competitor here

00:35:14.040 Rebel News

00:35:15.900 rented a friggin' helicopter

00:35:17.520 circling above

00:35:20.920 let's make sure we got some footage playing on the side here

00:35:23.300 Rebel News ran a freaking

00:35:25.360 helicopter.

00:35:27.200 I think it would have been cheaper to get a drone, but

00:35:29.060 anyway, they got a helicopter. Made it more funny.

00:35:32.000 And going overhead, and

00:35:33.540 just before the axe comes down

00:35:35.460 to murder these

00:35:37.160 birds, they get a court injunction

00:35:39.580 putting a stay on

00:35:41.400 a stay of execution, maybe you'd call it.

00:35:43.980 So the birds are

00:35:45.280 alive right now,

00:35:47.740 but they're still slotted to be killed.

00:35:51.000 I don't know

00:35:51.680 who wants to pick up this one this is well you know as a sort of an animal lover and a sentimentalist

00:35:57.020 of course i'm delighted that's uh that the birds are gonna make it this has got all the makings of

00:36:03.260 a disney movie one day uh or at least it would have been days when disney wasn't so crazy but

00:36:08.240 at any rate this is a happy story because people are are rallying to the defense of the defenseless

00:36:14.860 birds um i feel a little sorry for the police i don't think this is a job that makes them look

00:36:20.880 good and they're probably a very you know they don't appear they don't want to be doing this

00:36:25.620 um but you know the one there's one small thing that takes the thrill out of it for me and that

00:36:34.660 is that the state of execution was based on an argument that this farm is on native land

00:36:43.180 therefore they

00:36:45.180 they don't find

00:36:46.860 basically we're not in favor

00:36:49.820 that's the grounds for not

00:36:51.720 murdering the birds

00:36:52.700 as if Indians wouldn't eat ostriches

00:36:57.960 if they ever had them

00:36:58.840 wasn't there a long-standing ostrich hunting tribe

00:37:01.800 out there in interior BC

00:37:03.180 I don't know

00:37:04.040 I think that's fake news

00:37:08.240 Corey

00:37:08.540 you know what I think it was

00:37:11.440 i think what it is is up in northeastern bc uh there's a it's a you'll recognize it it's got a

00:37:18.960 real albertan feel to it you know freedom and liberty and all the above and um and out there

00:37:25.500 there are many first nations that like the gun uh buyback program will oppose um the the what

00:37:34.140 was happening with the ostriches and i think what they did was they rightfully so laid down their

00:37:40.120 ancestral rights as a way of just blocking it i don't think this was meant to be so i understand

00:37:46.200 your concern nigel a lot of people have remarked upon that but this i think was friendly fire

00:37:52.020 in the sense of okay well then we're going to use our our title right and uh because it had

00:37:58.320 turned into a nutcase situation well i i have to say if our canadian border services operated like

00:38:06.280 you know the canadian food inspection agency we would know where those 178 very dangerous

00:38:12.800 illegal aliens are residing in this country they i i and i commend the our competitor rebel because

00:38:19.980 what began to happen was um there was these clandestine movements by the food inspection

00:38:26.340 agency um and it had nothing to do with the rcmp they were acting like they were on the hunt for

00:38:32.260 bin laden and they actually cut the power to the ranch right so you're watching this in real time

00:38:39.620 i think our reporters covered it many others who covered it too and it reminded me of that bin

00:38:45.260 laden video that you saw where it's dark and the seals come out that was what was happening so it

00:38:51.500 it's a total embarrassment i i'm embarrassed i'm really embarrassed as a canadian my my i you know

00:38:58.260 I was just kind of, you know, shitposting last night when I said it was Ostrich Waco.

00:39:03.300 And then video play.

00:39:04.400 Let's put the video up of someone alleged it was fire, that there was fire going on in the Ostrich farm.

00:39:12.060 And I thought, oh, my God, the FBI and ATF are using CS gas.

00:39:15.480 They're going to cover it up by murdering everybody.

00:39:19.360 Now, I did comment on that video because I couldn't verify it was the farm.

00:39:23.280 It has since been verified.

00:39:24.460 Yeah, there was, I guess, a fire at the farm.

00:39:27.020 Yeah.

00:39:27.200 I don't know how the hell that happened, but as far as I know, no, they did not use CS gas and murder all of the...

00:39:35.560 They had to bring some barbecue sauce and make the most of it.

00:39:37.940 Oh, and just fact-checking you, I think ostriches are indigenous to Australia?

00:39:43.540 Yes.

00:39:44.240 No, but just a side note for where I was going with that.

00:39:46.840 There was a case in interior B.C. where First Nations band won by claiming that this valley is an area where they had been hunting and managing wild horses for hundreds and hundreds of horses.

00:39:58.540 But the horses aren't indigenous either.

00:40:01.160 Because indigenous science is to be considered unquestioning, the judge still ruled in their favor and said, well, if they said so, then I guess screw the lack of...

00:40:10.800 Well, me and my ancestors have been hunting ostriches at Rocky View County for five years.

00:40:15.440 So they could claim to be ostrich hunters and might have a case handmaid.

00:40:19.360 But the end of the story is that the taxpayers are now footing the bill for the health and the food and the care of these ostriches.

00:40:26.300 As our former agriculture minister, Jerry Ritz, pointed out on Twitter today.

00:40:32.940 Now it's all up to the state to take care of them because they're literally in a holding pattern or a holding pen right now.

00:40:40.420 nobody has it's my understanding or jerry's understanding no the original owners or the

00:40:46.540 the true owners don't that they have no interaction with these ostriches so it's back to the taxpayers

00:40:51.620 it goes as per usual in canada but i will say this if my suspicion is correct and the first nations

00:40:58.160 there did this just to push back i this is where we can come together i i like that it's kind of a

00:41:05.980 nice a nice part for the story the big lab heel search was the reconciliation looks like so yeah

00:41:12.900 you know yeah we're using it for good uh and i'll just say this uh we've been harping on the

00:41:18.780 government for murdering these poor burns but uh there is a place for culling avian flu is very

00:41:24.860 serious it can sweep through a flock and get beyond that flock and damage other flocks at

00:41:30.320 other farms there is a place for state intervention in culling animals sometimes it would appear

00:41:38.200 though that this is overzealous that they have gone to significant lengths to prove that there

00:41:43.700 is no avian flu in the remaining birds some did die from it some died and they're not sure what

00:41:48.340 from uh but i mean so what i'm not saying that there is never a time to kill the ostriches

00:41:54.900 i'm just saying this was probably not it and the government's making an ass of itself

00:41:59.080 And I also think we're missing a huge opportunity to test how they got such a strong herd immunity.

00:42:07.220 But I think that the government is hell bent on this.

00:42:10.160 I think they're probably going to try and test them for COVID next.

00:42:12.780 I'm not so sure.

00:42:14.040 They'll come up with some sort of animal COVID.

00:42:17.060 But I agree with you, Derek.

00:42:19.180 The one thing we need to remember is look what happened in the UK with the cows.

00:42:22.720 Look what you have to take this very seriously.

00:42:25.720 But I think they've proven time and time again in this case that there is a strong herd immunity.

00:42:31.600 And the problem is, is the Canadian Food Inspection Agency is using the comparables of the analysis from chickens on on avian flu.

00:42:39.040 This is a completely different species. And and they have been able to demonstrate that.

00:42:44.960 So it'll be interesting to see what their legal appeal or their court case looks like.

00:42:50.400 And I'm sure they're going to have lots of lawyers volunteering to join to support them.

00:42:55.720 Her enmity is just a myth invented by anti-vaxxers

00:42:59.540 to not do their duty for society.

00:43:03.000 It's so interesting.

00:43:04.960 We don't have time for our last segment

00:43:08.360 because we've had to fit the hostage crisis in.

00:43:11.700 So we're just going to go with a parting shot.

00:43:14.760 But what I'm going to do is I'm just going to make

00:43:16.000 that last fourth segment my parting shot

00:43:18.060 on the notwithstanding clause.

00:43:20.900 You've got the NDP here in Alberta

00:43:23.100 fighting against using the Not Withstanding Clause,

00:43:27.480 which appears to be the Alberta government's intention here,

00:43:30.480 to pass what they call anti-trans legislation,

00:43:33.780 which is things like keeping boys out of girls' sports

00:43:36.900 and, you know, making sure schools don't change

00:43:44.760 the pronouns of young children without parental knowledge

00:43:48.720 or consent, that kind of thing.

00:43:50.820 against the right to use the notwithstanding clause

00:43:53.540 there, and then

00:43:54.480 in Quebec, Quebec government, I don't know

00:43:57.200 all the details of their bill, but it's another one of these

00:43:59.120 Quebec identity bills

00:44:00.500 Quebec being Quebec

00:44:03.500 doing Quebec stuff

00:44:04.720 and in it they're using the notwithstanding

00:44:07.580 clause, which they've done many times

00:44:09.440 in the past

00:44:10.060 and the federal government is fighting

00:44:13.380 them in court for their ability to use it

00:44:15.260 the notwithstanding

00:44:17.420 clause could be used for illegitimate

00:44:19.440 purposes. If I was an Anglophone living in Quebec, I would not like its use. But that is not how the

00:44:26.980 notwithstanding clause is written. It doesn't say if you agree with using it or not with using it.

00:44:31.040 It is a part of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It was put forward by Albertus Peter Lougheed.

00:44:37.020 The Charter of Rights and Freedoms would not have been passed to come into existence without

00:44:41.700 the notwithstanding clause in it, because it was meant to prevent the hyper-presidentialization

00:44:47.360 and written constitutionalization

00:44:49.580 or Americanization, if you will,

00:44:51.580 of our Constitution,

00:44:52.900 intruding on our Westminster traditions.

00:44:56.840 It's a perfectly legitimate tool to be used,

00:45:00.280 sometimes for good reasons,

00:45:01.520 sometimes for bad.

00:45:02.220 That'll depend on your reasons.

00:45:04.140 But the liberals are trying to get the courts here

00:45:06.860 to unilaterally rewrite the Constitution itself.

00:45:11.260 It's one thing, and probably not good,

00:45:13.940 But it's one thing when the courts rewrite legislation.

00:45:18.740 It's something else entirely when they rewrite the Constitution itself.

00:45:22.940 That invalidates the Constitution if the judges get to write it.

00:45:27.040 Couldn't agree more.

00:45:28.840 Excellent.

00:45:29.540 Nope.

00:45:30.560 So I'm just doing the headline scan for this program today.

00:45:36.380 So I see two things.

00:45:38.160 On the one hand, Carney recognizes Palestine.

00:45:41.300 that is going to make it harder to deal with the United States

00:45:44.340 because the United States is not recognizing Palestine,

00:45:48.620 nor should they, nor should we,

00:45:51.960 but it is going to make the trade,

00:45:53.460 it's like poking your finger in Trump's eye.

00:45:57.560 And it's just, why would you do that?

00:45:59.960 He did it, even though neither of the two conditions

00:46:04.320 that he announced a month ago have been met.

00:46:06.780 Hamas is not disarming,

00:46:08.060 and there's no commitment to a two-state solution

00:46:10.720 on the other side so anyway there's your one headline then on the other this is the national

00:46:16.960 post i'm sorry but uh carney touts trade possibilities with china aims to meet with g

00:46:23.660 you get it screw the us we're going to work with china and this is what canada's future

00:46:33.540 looks like with Mr. Carney.

00:46:35.920 Not a good thing.

00:46:38.300 Corey.

00:46:39.660 Well, BC NDP

00:46:41.740 Finance Minister Brenda Blair

00:46:43.700 went to Boston and blew

00:46:45.060 over $6,000 riding around in a limousine.

00:46:48.500 This is a pure socialist

00:46:49.700 and socialist action telling everyone to

00:46:51.760 tighten their belts for the sake of the collective

00:46:53.840 whilst riding in luxury.

00:46:56.040 These are the gems that Rustad's

00:46:58.020 missing out on while he's busy

00:46:59.960 fighting with his own party.

00:47:02.200 Limousine liberals.

00:47:03.540 i hope that wasn't it was a bc one so i hope uh cory can steal that from you

00:47:12.980 no i i i saw that well done on you cory because that was uh well i'm from bc i know this ndp it

00:47:20.100 was not a surprise to me um has anyone heard of uber black i mean 6 000 on a limo um champagne

00:47:27.220 socialists uh so my oh one show we'll have to talk about how my gender seems to be uh scandal

00:47:40.040 ridden the moment they get into the governor general's residence we haven't had one three in

00:47:44.500 a row my parting shot like my parting shot it bleeds out from uh what cory just said it's time

00:47:51.440 for john rustad to call a leadership race bc is in serious financial economic and social trouble

00:47:58.160 and we are not going to be able to get to where we need to get to with the ndp eb's leadership

00:48:04.540 is very shaky his own caucus is looking at him questioning whether they want to go with him

00:48:09.400 um any they want to go any further we need a conservative leadership race in british columbia

00:48:14.660 all right there we go elise gory angiel thank you very much joe thank you gentlemen

00:48:22.200 elise and uh thank you for joining us today on the pipeline remember if you're not a member of

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Western Standard - September 25, 2025

Killing gun rights, ostriches, and the notwithstanding clause

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