Western Standard - Let's face it, nobody knows how to deal with Trump

00:00:00.000 China's killing our canola.

00:00:05.360 $45 billion gone.

00:00:08.480 Western farmers bleed.

00:00:10.980 Mark Carney?

00:00:12.720 Silent.

00:00:14.260 Made millions off Beijing's dime.

00:00:17.300 He won't fight.

00:00:18.840 He's Beijing's banker, not our prime minister.

00:00:30.000 Good evening, Western Standard viewers, and welcome to Hannaford, a weekly politics show.

00:00:51.020 I am Nigel Hannaford, and it is Saturday, April 19th, for this special edition, and

00:00:58.940 my guest today is Peter Coleman, President of the National Citizens Coalition. Welcome to the show,

00:01:05.180 Peter. Thanks for having me on, Nigel. Well, you're very welcome. You've got Stephen Harper's

00:01:09.560 old job from 25 years ago. Are you contemplating making a switch into politics one of these days?

00:01:15.700 I'm not as capable as Harper is. It's been fun to be around him and get to know him as a person,

00:01:21.720 and I think the country would be much better served if we had Harper back around the country 0.99

00:01:25.980 now than what we have going on well i i think you sound here loud amens from across the country with

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00:02:03.520 Check them out at newworldpm.com. Peter, in a series of columns you have recently published

00:02:12.340 in the Western Standard, you have argued that the stakes in this election are very high. I think

00:02:18.980 you're speaking for everybody when you say that, but you've actually said the future of the country

00:02:23.840 as we know it, is at stake. And as far as Mr. Carney is concerned, there's more to him than

00:02:30.860 meets the ear. He's holding something back. But mercifully, you also think the polls are wrong.

00:02:38.660 I want to talk to you about all of that. But let's start first with Pierre Polyev.

00:02:43.280 You heard him at the French debate last night. How did he do?

00:02:48.240 I think he was pretty measured. I thought he did a pretty good job. I think the thing for

00:02:51.860 Pauliev is he has to appeal across

00:02:53.900 broad sectors.

00:02:55.880 The old days of the angry Pierre

00:02:57.980 isn't going to fly, especially amongst

00:02:59.860 women. I thought he was pretty

00:03:01.760 calm in the debate. What I found striking,

00:03:04.040 Nigel, was he looked directly

00:03:06.060 at Carney several times in the debate.

00:03:08.680 Carney wouldn't even look at Pauliev.

00:03:10.740 The dislike there

00:03:11.880 is palpable, and I don't

00:03:13.940 think Carney likes being challenged by anybody.

00:03:16.060 He's proven that with the media and questions he doesn't

00:03:18.040 like, and I thought Pierre was good.

00:03:19.920 I think he got the cost of the agenda that Canada deserves better.

00:03:23.400 We have all the resources in the world, Nigel, and we should be shipping them to world markets and being a lot more prosperous than they are.

00:03:29.720 But Carney's agenda is not to get the oil out of the ground or natural gas shift.

00:03:34.180 And if he says different, he tries to come across as different depending on where he's speaking.

00:03:39.900 He's not a guy that wants to develop our resources.

00:03:43.400 It's as simple as that.

00:03:44.960 Yes.

00:03:46.020 That's an interesting observation you make about body language.

00:03:49.920 And clearly, when somebody won't look at you, there's something going on there.

00:03:59.100 Would you interpret that as contempt or just not wanting to, you know, feeling a little uneasy and therefore not wanting to confront your accuser?

00:04:13.580 My dad used to say to me, Nigel, treat your enemies with respect because it drives them crazy.

00:04:17.700 I thought that Paulie was respectful towards Carney.

00:04:22.080 I don't think Carney's been used to in his jobs at the government of the Bank of England and Bank of Canada

00:04:26.280 of having people second-guess him.

00:04:28.380 He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room wherever he goes.

00:04:32.100 I think he has a personality of a doormat, to be honest.

00:04:35.700 And I don't think he is the smartest guy in the room.

00:04:38.420 When he was governor of the Bank of England, his reviews there when he left were not fantastic.

00:04:45.020 And I think it's just a disdain for people that challenge him because he's lived in a world where everybody's told him how great he is.

00:04:51.220 And I don't think he personally is.

00:04:54.140 Well, you may be right.

00:04:56.000 Certainly, Prime Minister Liz Truss of Great Britain wrote a sort of an open letter to Canadians saying,

00:05:02.860 what are you thinking, even considering making Mr. Carney prime minister?

00:05:07.560 He didn't do us any good here in Great Britain.

00:05:10.360 That, of course, is a partisan position.

00:05:12.700 and uh but um i'm beginning to wonder if she's right um well how about then mr carney at the

00:05:21.140 debate his french is supposed to be not very good this was a french language debate but he went into

00:05:28.080 it um how did he come out of it i think he got okay but you know when debates as well as i do

00:05:35.020 nagel is always using a sound bite that comes out of it you can think back to john turner and

00:05:39.660 And Brian Maroney saying, you had an option, sir.

00:05:42.360 And last night when he said, I just got here, I thought was telling.

00:05:47.200 He's been an economic advisor for Trudeau for, what, five years?

00:05:51.560 Yeah.

00:05:52.000 Trying to sort of whitewash everything the Liberals have done for the last 10 years.

00:05:55.220 And as if it's not his problem, his fault.

00:05:57.880 Well, as Paul Yev said, he has the same cabinet, the same people, the same ideas, the same agenda.

00:06:03.220 and i think he just thinks he can just run by i'm the greatest guy coming forward and vote for me

00:06:09.880 without his records no different his records no better not i didn't think you know of course when

00:06:14.960 you're prime minister you take the shots from everybody because that's their job and you've

00:06:19.120 got to defend the incoming fire but uh i didn't think carney was great i thought singh was the

00:06:24.660 worst by far of all the debaters though well he yes he was but then with all due respect to him

00:06:32.860 as an individual as a politician he no longer counts his chance was six months ago if he had

00:06:38.860 decided to drop the liberals at that point he might have been might have been looking here

00:06:43.740 at a chance of becoming the leader of the opposition but as it is i gather from the polls

00:06:49.740 that he'll be lucky to hold his own seat but then you actually are not a big believer in the polls

00:06:55.340 that show mr carney ahead of mr poilier why would that be peter i think what you're seeing now is

00:07:02.620 As the younger generation, I conclude that people sort of 45 and under, and the 35-year-old

00:07:09.460 group that don't see a future as far as being able to afford a house, cost of living so

00:07:14.300 high, I think the polls are undersampling those people and their desire to get out and

00:07:19.360 vote.

00:07:20.500 I think they're going to vote in droves and surprise people.

00:07:24.160 The conservatives are strongly ahead in that category.

00:07:27.300 They're behind with the boomers for some reason. 1.00

00:07:30.980 But you're seeing more and more ads now, Nigel, online saying young kids going to their parents and saying, and it's ads we've taken forward too, is you need to give your kids a better future.

00:07:41.300 And a better future is not 10 more years of the same.

00:07:43.800 Your kids deserve a responsible government like we had when Stephen Harper was prime minister.

00:07:49.080 And to be honest, John Cretan, for a matter of fact, he was a decent prime minister in a lot of regards compared to what the Liberal Party is now.

00:07:56.140 So I think the younger generation is going to go out and vote in numbers that haven't been seen before.

00:08:01.320 And I think the polls that show that are not being represented as properly in the polling and the percentage that are showing right now.

00:08:10.080 Well, that's an interesting proposition.

00:08:14.160 Now, I've also heard it suggested that conservatives are less likely to respond to a pollster.

00:08:22.960 Either they just resent the intrusion and don't even pick up the phone, or else they think my ideas are my own and you don't have a right to ask, and that there's a bias that would tend to present against conservatives in polls for those kinds of reasons.

00:08:45.820 Have you any reason to think that the polls are skewed like that?

00:08:51.320 I think there's a lot of quiet conservatives there.

00:08:53.760 I mean, if you look at what's going on here in Ontario, I mean, it's ironic.

00:08:57.800 Every sign you see damaged, you know, in the GTA, the 905, they're always conservative signs.

00:09:04.340 They're always ones that are taken down.

00:09:05.820 I think a lot of people that are going to vote conservative are reluctant to put signs up and do that because they don't want to be harassed and bothered by that.

00:09:14.060 And I think that's the same with, to your point, Nigel, the polling is, how are they getting at these younger people under 45?

00:09:20.580 that really don't spend any time on a, they don't have a landline.

00:09:24.700 I know the pollsters try and get through online polling, which isn't very accurate,

00:09:29.260 landlines, cell phones, but I think that that generation that's voting for the Conservatives now, 0.99

00:09:34.560 which used to be liberal in 2015, to be honest, are much tougher to reach.

00:09:38.680 They're busy, they're working, and as you said, they have no interest in talking to pollsters.

00:09:42.820 Yes. They also tend to draw their information from different sources than the older generation, which, according to our discussion just now, does answer the polls.

00:09:58.240 They tend to take their information from social media, Twitter, Facebook, online newspapers such as the Western Standard here, whereas if I could compose a stereotype of the older voter, I'm thinking of a 75-year-old grandmother who watches the CBC, doesn't get a newspaper anymore, but really all she knows about what is going on is from the CBC.

00:10:28.240 as opposed to her granddaughter or her grandson

00:10:32.840 who is constantly on the phone scrolling through to see what there is,

00:10:38.160 they would tend to come to different conclusions.

00:10:41.360 And the one, the grandmother, is more likely to pick up the phone 0.79

00:10:44.440 and talk to the pollster, and the younger person wouldn't do that,

00:10:48.460 but they would get out and vote because they're mad

00:10:50.240 because they don't have a job or they do have a job

00:10:53.580 and they can't buy a house and all the rage that you were talking about there.

00:10:58.180 So when we're talking about the accuracy of the polls,

00:11:01.920 I think your position is we can't really trust them.

00:11:05.640 Well, look, I think your stereotype of the older voter is exactly right. 0.99

00:11:09.380 That's why people should listen like you and the Western Standard, Nigel,

00:11:13.360 because CBC has obviously a clear bias, as most of the legacy media does.

00:11:19.240 The online media tends to, as much as CBC people hate it,

00:11:23.420 the online media tends to present the facts.

00:11:25.480 if you research enough on all sides of the conversation,

00:11:29.880 CBC never does and never will.

00:11:31.700 So if your news comes from the Globe and Mail or CBC

00:11:35.600 and not great organizations like Western Standard,

00:11:40.020 you're going to get a biased view

00:11:41.220 and think you should be voting liberal.

00:11:42.600 I think that's as clearly the way it is.

00:11:43.960 But as you said, the grandkids, the 75-year-old,

00:11:49.180 they're getting the news from a different source.

00:11:51.160 There's a lot less bias.

00:11:52.680 They can see a lot more options is what's really gone.

00:11:54.760 And they're making informed decisions based on hard facts instead of propaganda from CBC, because that's all CBC TV is.

00:12:02.960 So, OK, well, I'm going to form my own opinions on the basis of the size of the rallies.

00:12:08.640 Let's move on, Peter. Let's talk about who is better to deal with Trump.

00:12:15.980 I mean, this phrase, dealing with Trump, I think is a bit presumptuous for Canadians because we don't really have an awfully strong hand.

00:12:22.040 and my own view is that the federal government of Canada

00:12:26.300 is basically going to accept whatever the United States says

00:12:31.320 as soon after the election is over as it can

00:12:35.920 because it doesn't really have any strong options.

00:12:40.260 But maybe you think something different.

00:12:43.160 How do you deal with President Trump?

00:12:47.320 And who is best to do it?

00:12:49.000 Pollyev?

00:12:49.400 Nigel, when you figure that out, it's like tacking Jell-O to a wall and see if you can stick.

00:12:56.060 I'm not convinced anybody can deal with Donald Trump necessarily, but the notion that Carney's the right guy, a global elitist who doesn't believe in developing resources, who doesn't believe in getting products to market, who doesn't believe in the military to any strength, doesn't believe in NATO, he believes in net zero, carbon zero, no gas running cars.

00:13:19.400 Does anybody seriously think that's the dynamic that Donald Trump would enjoy as far as having to deal with on a business level?

00:13:25.960 I think he'd have a much greater respect with Paulieff.

00:13:28.400 I mean, people call him the mini-Trump, and I just find that laughable.

00:13:33.140 There's only one Trump.

00:13:35.080 There never will be another Trump in politics.

00:13:37.420 And I think Paulieff is capable of dealing with Trump because he knows we have to get up off the mats and develop our resources and be energy independent.

00:13:46.800 And if we'd done what we should have done 10 years ago, starting 10 years ago, Nigel, we'd have a much stronger hand, to your point, than we have right now.

00:13:54.080 But we need to get going, and hopefully the people in Canada realize that we live in the greatest country in the world with all the resources that the world wants.

00:14:03.920 But our government refuses to let them get the marketplace.

00:14:07.240 And it's a crime how badly our finances have been dealt with, but it also can be turned around.

00:14:14.180 Yes, I know it takes time, but I think Collier is much better for that because it's a different look.

00:14:19.980 It's a different opportunity, and it's a much clearer set of eyes with what our real problems are than what Mark Carney's saying.

00:14:26.720 And I think Carney's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

00:14:28.840 I think he's saying stuff just to try and get himself elected.

00:14:31.260 And he has no intention, in my view, of developing resources to things that matter to Canadians.

00:14:35.960 Now, why do you say that?

00:14:37.040 He said that he's in favor of developing resources.

00:14:39.960 resources. He has said that he wants Canada to be an energy

00:14:44.220 superpower. He has said that he wants to see pipelines built

00:14:48.420 and developed. Are you suggesting

00:14:52.480 that he's being less than frank with us? Yeah, I think he is.

00:14:56.340 I think he says one thing when he's out in western Canada, one thing to Quebec. I don't think he's

00:15:00.040 unequivocally taken any kind of stance that would try

00:15:04.220 and force the province of Quebec to develop resources for energy

00:15:08.300 going up to the east coast and i really don't think i think he's trying to say what he thinks

00:15:14.240 he could say but i i think he's inconsistent in his view i think pauliev is very very clear

00:15:18.700 i think carney's trying to appear to be somebody that cares about developing resources but deep

00:15:25.840 down it's not in his dna and you tend to judge people nigel by what they've done not what they've 0.92

00:15:32.040 said and nothing made nothing from where i sit leads me to believe that carney really would do

00:15:39.440 a decent job of developing our resources i just don't well that's an interesting point what is

00:15:43.680 it that he's done that you're judging him on well nothing because if he's the economic advisor for

00:15:50.100 truda for the last five years why aren't we further along these conversations we had we've

00:15:54.740 had germany we've had japan we've the country's coming to us begging for a liquid natural gas

00:15:59.540 resource in developing that all he's done is overseen which he did with his bank of governor

00:16:04.900 bank of england is print money it's create inflation there's been zero fiscal responsibility

00:16:11.300 at all it hasn't hasn't got any better it's gotten worse the old you know budgets will balance himself

00:16:16.180 from trudeau but carney's been carney's been driving the getaway cartoon eyes so he hasn't

00:16:20.900 been doing anything about it in background scenes and he wants to say i just got here it's not me

00:16:25.940 well that's a bunch of crap he's been involved with this for years and it's just so i to count

00:16:32.900 me as a skeptic as far as believing carney will do what he's supposed to do as far as that

00:16:38.100 okay now you you're writing a series of articles for us during the election campaign

00:16:46.820 i mentioned three of them before you're working on another one right now where are you as you draw

00:16:55.140 your thoughts together from this election campaign i mean we're what uh 11 days away from

00:17:01.940 the vote as we speak nine days away from uh as we broadcast um peter you have uh you've got a

00:17:11.860 limited amount of time to get your message across what is in one sentence what is the message that

00:17:19.140 the National Citizens Coalition wants to drive home as we head for the boat.

00:17:25.540 We can't afford 10 more years of the same.

00:17:29.540 I'm sorry, say that again?

00:17:30.980 We can't afford 10 more years of the same policies. We need a different look and a different vision.

00:17:36.420 Yeah. Well, that certainly is here at the Western Standard. That would be precisely what we would

00:17:44.180 say. I think it's one of the astonishing things, maybe you can comment on this, that people who

00:17:52.260 don't want change didn't want change 10 years ago either. Now they have got it and they have

00:18:00.980 accepted it. Is there something about the Canadian voter who just doesn't care to

00:18:09.700 take a strong position on anything some people do but enough don't let you can just drift through

00:18:17.460 constantly accepting the status quo i think there's a lot of progressive voters in this

00:18:24.660 country that don't understand if you want to take care of the poor you have to create wealth

00:18:30.660 i mean we all see in our cities people they're living on the street that are that have issues

00:18:36.060 with drugs. And it's really hard to watch that kind of thing, realizing we deserve so much better

00:18:42.660 than we have right now. But there is a large segment of the population, unfortunately, too

00:18:47.060 large in my view, that thinks the government can just take care of them and take care of their

00:18:52.300 well-being and take care of their ability to get along and go forward in life. And there's a lot

00:18:58.620 better options if we can get the economy growing and humming. Everybody can be clearly better off

00:19:04.140 than we are right now, and that's the concern.

00:19:06.680 Do people say, well, you know, Poliev scares me.

00:19:10.560 They can't tell you why he scares me.

00:19:13.120 I think Carney's far scarier than Poliev

00:19:15.680 on any measurable statistic.

00:19:19.140 And you can certainly explain why.

00:19:22.400 You know, in one of your columns recently,

00:19:24.300 you said that you actually feared for the country as we know it.

00:19:30.020 The future of the country as we know it is at stake.

00:19:34.140 can you show me the road to survival?

00:19:40.320 Can you show me what it is that you fear

00:19:42.740 that could break the country up?

00:19:46.660 I think the liberals for 10 years

00:19:48.600 have pitted people against people.

00:19:51.220 You living out West, Nigel, region against region,

00:19:53.740 I think they treated the West disgracefully.

00:19:56.880 When Alberta's an economic engine,

00:19:58.760 but this country, they can't develop their resources,

00:20:00.580 And all they do is get fought by a radical environmental minister who doesn't seem to care about anything other than, you know, climate change.

00:20:09.640 When Canada's 1.6% of the world's greenhouse gases, if we could sell off our liquefied natural gas, for example, to China and India, we would take care of all that.

00:20:18.780 And Canada's actually probably not contributing at all to greenhouse gases because we're carbon sink because of our trees.

00:20:23.940 And if we can't develop our resources and get product to market, I think the people out west are going to be incredibly restless if the liberals get brought back in, heaven forbid, with any kind of mandate, because I don't think many people that are intelligent really believe that Carney's going to develop the resources.

00:20:42.640 So if we can't develop the resources and we keep in an economic environment and an economic downturn, we have the lowest GDP growth, the G7 by far.

00:20:51.620 We're not creating jobs. If we're creating jobs or government jobs, that's no future for our kids. 0.52

00:20:57.340 That's no future for the next generation. Kids are going to leave. Businesses are going to leave. 0.99

00:21:02.060 No economic investment is going to come from foreign sources.

00:21:05.960 And that's not going to be a good recipe to try and keep this country whole as it is right now.

00:21:10.840 Well, those are sad and sobering words

00:21:15.040 Peter, we are out of time

00:21:17.680 We look forward to publishing you again next week

00:21:20.040 But for now, we've got to say goodbye

00:21:23.140 For the Western Standard, I'm Nigel Hannaford

00:21:27.500 And thank you to Peter Coleman of the National Citizens Coalition

00:21:31.880 For joining us today

00:21:33.060 Thank you, Nigel

00:21:34.640 You're welcome

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