In this episode of The Pipeline, Senior Columnist Corey Morgan Morgan is joined by James Finkbiner and Editor-in-Chief of the Western Standard, Jen Hudson, to discuss all things Canadian politics. Topics covered include: - The Liberal Party's Leadership Retreat - Trudeau's leadership challenge - Why the Liberals need a new leader - Should the Prime Minister resign? - Where does the party go from here?
00:03:07.060So you're just, all of your constituents, you're just going to slap them in the face,
00:03:11.040and they want him gone, and you're just going to say, oh, no, I still support him.
00:03:15.660I don't know. The Liberal Party operates like a mafia. And the lower you are on the food chain,
00:03:23.040the less likely you are to speak out because you will have no chance of promotion. You will lose
00:03:27.260your committee assignments and your career is basically over. You're just decoration at that
00:03:32.200point. You're not getting anything done. And I just don't see any of them actually making the move
00:03:37.360to address it. You know, the Leger poll that came out, I think it came out yesterday.
00:03:44.120and it is like massive like the conservatives are at 45 percent like i i think the seat percent
00:03:50.800projection and i'm don't quote me on this please i i think it was 263 that is a massive super
00:03:58.360majority like i i think brian mulrooney was the last one that had a majority that big
00:04:02.980and there's two big by-elections on monday and i think we will find out monday because that is
00:04:09.340when parliament returns how much longer trudeau is going to last because if they lose those two
00:04:14.180by-elections especially the one in montreal that has been a liberal seat i think since confederation
00:04:19.500how can he remain the leader and it's a three-way race right now between the bloc the ndp and the
00:04:24.820liberals in that in that riding so i don't know i i can't see anyone especially in his cabinet
00:04:31.840standing up to him and making a move and i don't have faith that any of the other mps will either
00:04:36.120But the self-serving, I mean, I'm cynical with liberals.
00:04:39.960You know, a lot of them, when the push finally comes to shove, you think they want to protect their own skin.
00:04:45.120I mean, if this party is facing certain obliteration in the next election, eventually some of these MPs would have to say, I've got nothing to lose.
00:04:54.340You know, I mean, oh, kick me off the committee for the next six months.
00:04:59.540I mean, maybe I've got a 10% chance of salvaging my seat if I can show myself as having a backbone and calling out that this weak, directionless prime minister, but they don't do it.
00:05:10.880You would think. And so it would seem like if someone did stand up and have a kind of backbone
00:05:17.760in the Liberal caucus to say, hey, we still as Liberals, and again, I'm playing devil's advocate
00:05:24.320from the other side. We're still Liberals. We have these kinds of values. Well, maybe we can
00:05:29.520implement them if we didn't have this weak leader who is just riddled with scandal. However, we
00:05:34.880don't see this. We see almost uniformly the Liberal MPs doubling down, especially the top-tier ones,
00:05:41.840like Gilboa, Freeland, they are lockstep with Trudeau, and you don't see any kind of derision
00:05:50.960from there, even though it would be warranted. So we just see the propping up of the Prime Minister,
00:05:56.720and with the Bloc Québécois leader stepping into Jagmeet Singh's empty bed, so to speak,
00:06:03.600with the coalition government, or attempting to anyways, he'll come right out and say,
00:06:09.860well, we don't support the Prime Minister, and we don't want to elongate his reign any more than
00:06:16.220possible. However, if it's in Quebec interest, then we'll make these certain concessions and
00:06:21.140prop him up just like Jagmeet Singh did. Well, yeah, going further to that, then,
00:06:25.000you know, James, like the politics that are going on now, I mean, part of Singh was, he's smart
00:06:29.660enough to know this is the closest he's ever going to get to power, holding the balance of
00:06:32.840power in a minority government is the NDP dream. They're never going to win government. But if you
00:06:36.700can really pull the levers with these guys, and he got a lot out of them. He got the dental plan.
00:06:41.040He got the pharma care and lunches for kids and just a giant NDP style intrusive government.
00:06:49.100But now we could be handing off the partnership to somebody even more dangerous.
00:06:53.540Blanchett's smarter than saying. Oh, way smarter. Way smarter. He makes no bones of what he's about.
00:06:58.800No. Quebec first, Quebec only. And he says it all the time. But
00:07:02.180is that a bad thing is that a bad thing for alberta well first because no because well
00:07:08.660true that too but whatever he gives to the block for quebec alberta is going to be standing there
00:07:16.260going and and premier smith will be like me too we want the exact same thing and what leg will
00:07:22.260they have to stand on and and then that will give alberta different legal mechanisms to say look
00:07:27.320you're giving this to Quebec, you're going to give it to us the exact same way. And I think
00:07:32.320that there's going to be a big coalition of premiers who are also going to say, well,
00:07:37.160if Quebec's getting it, we're going to get it too. So, you know, it might give some of the
00:07:41.660provinces more leverage. You know, I don't have any sort of hope that Trudeau would do the right
00:07:46.700thing and give Quebec one thing and give Alberta something completely different. We've seen that
00:07:51.100with home heating oil and where his vote base is. But like the Leger poll has them completely wiped
00:07:56.600out on the east coast so the home eating oil did no favors for him in the end anyways
00:08:00.880and i don't know i i i it's going to be interesting but how long is the bloc going to be willing to
00:08:08.640do that but that's the other thing this poll is showing the bloc is going to be the official
00:08:13.260opposition well they aren't getting anything as the official opposition they are going to oppose
00:08:18.680everything that Prime Minister Pierre Polyev is going to do. So, you know, he's going to want to
00:08:27.080hang on with this minority government and try to get all he can out of Trudeau. So we may get all
00:08:31.540the way to the fall of 2025 now if the bloc decide to prop him up. Whereas I like to pedantically
00:08:36.920keep reminding people constitutionally, Justin could stretch it out until the fall of 2026.
00:08:42.420I know that gives chills to people, but the set election date is just legislation. They can
00:08:48.360always repeal that and stretch it another year. I doubt it's going to go to that. But there doesn't
00:08:54.520seem to be a sense of desperation on Trudeau's part. As I was mentioning on my own show earlier,
00:08:58.480I would have expected from one of these retreats, whether the cabinet or the caucus,
00:09:02.240some big announcements, some big changes, some indication they realize that they have to change
00:09:07.180course. There's nothing. Melanie Jolie, in the most insane thing I've heard out of her in a while,
00:09:14.120She says, what she's hearing at the doors is Canadians don't want an election.
00:09:21.020They just want the Liberals to do the job.
00:09:24.580Madame Jolie, it's been almost a decade.
00:09:27.500It's quite clear you guys are incapable of doing the job.
00:09:49.860Yeah, well, Jolie's talents, she's not an intellectual.0.61
00:09:54.400So, you know, whatever maintains her cabinet position is a lot of speculation,
00:09:57.600but it hasn't been her policy depth or ability to listen to what Canadians want in general.
00:10:02.400But she seems to be pretty secure in cabinet no matter what seems to happen outside.
00:10:06.480But, I mean, separately, besides me being a jerk today and employ things about Jolie,
00:10:10.440hey, we've got somebody coming into the mix, not in cabinet, not in caucus, but who is smart,
00:10:15.780who is frighteningly so, but is no less ideological. And that's Mark Carney. What
00:10:20.440happened there? How has he suddenly surfaced? Right. So he seems to have just waltzed right
00:10:25.520in. I remember about maybe winter of last year at the World Economic Forum events where he was
00:10:32.500waltzing around there. And I started reading up on him then and saw that he did have a lot of
00:10:37.760connection to globalists, and he has this global mindset. However, he has a long history with
00:10:43.800liberal political figures, and so he stepped in as a kind of advisor, financial advisor.
00:10:50.600Pierre Polyev this morning said that he's the phantom finance minister that's come in to
00:10:55.140push Christian Friedland aside. Smart way to poke a little division into there,
00:10:59.240because she's got to feel a little threatened on her flank with him popping in there.
00:11:02.300Oh, but how about the insanity of the fact that they appointed someone who is involved on so many different businesses, not to a government position, but an advisor to the Liberal Party? And Western Standards Jared Jagger, he's at the convention in Nanaimo right now, and he actually talked to Stephen Gilboa and said, do you think there's a conflict of interest here?
00:11:25.760Well, of course there is. He is on the World Economic Forum. He's the chair of Brookfield Investments. He's on the board of Stripe. So how can he, like these businesses are actively lobbying the governments in different ways. They have huge financial interests in government policy.
00:11:46.640And then I believe it was the Globe and Mail is reporting now. It was the CPC's Michael Barrett last night that tweeted this out. The Globe and Mail is now reporting that Brookfield Investments is looking at moving their headquarters out of Toronto into New York.
00:12:02.460So is that to move it so that it's no longer a Canadian company and it's not a conflict of interest?
00:12:07.880But I mean, if he's the financial advisor to the Liberal Party and he's looking at moving one of his businesses out of the country,
00:12:13.720what does that signal about our country?
00:12:15.440What does that signal about his faith in the economy and the finances of the country?
00:12:21.580What is he seeing that he's decided to make that decision?
00:15:11.340Whisper into the prime minister's ear.
00:15:12.980Try to fix Freeland's disastrous budgets.
00:15:16.580And when it all implodes, say, well, I tried to fix it, but, you know, it was just way too far gone.
00:15:22.540It's going to be interesting to watch anyways.
00:15:24.900But we'll switch to some more insane politics in a moment.
00:15:27.100Actually, I've got to get a quick plug to the folks out there to remind them the reason we have these panels,
00:15:31.540the reason we've got all these stories breaking, the reason we've got the staff is because you guys have been subscribing.0.72
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00:16:21.900We'll get James to kind of frame what was your impression or what do you think you see coming out here?
00:16:27.000I actually had a conversation with actually a good friend of mine, Kristen Raworth, right?
00:16:32.460So she's generally considered a bit of a red Tory. And to her, Kamala Harris won that debate. And I said, maybe, but to normies, I said, you don't understand mega people. You don't understand Trump supporters.1.00
00:16:49.600And I said, I live in that world. I'm in that world. And I'm telling you right now, Trump won that debate. And the reason why Trump won that debate is because today, every single person on earth is talking about people eating cats and dogs and executing babies.
00:17:38.660We got to deal with China. There wouldn't be a war with Russia. He hit all of his greatest hits last night. And I think Kamala failed to land any big jabs at Trump. I don't think anything she threw at him actually stuck. She took nothing away from his supporters. He gave his supporters and his people everything they wanted. I don't think she was effective last night.0.73
00:18:03.040So to go further, kind of one of the things that's amazing in American politics, these hard fought elections, a two party system, yet it's almost always only within a point or two, a calm election time. It's amazing how close it is. There's rarely a blowout. And I imagine it's similar right now. Part of it too, though, is how many undecideds watched last night? 10? 11? You know, like either side.
00:18:24.920People already have their mind made up.
00:18:26.000Was there anybody who was really going to change a mind in that debate?
00:18:29.080Well, as James mentioned, the normies, right?
00:18:32.800So people that are just tuning into politics without looking at things like policy or thinking
00:18:38.760about what the implications of those policies might mean, they might go along with an emotion
00:22:40.260Well, and that's why Taylor Swift is a state out of politics, right?0.99
00:22:43.460Because her roots were in country music.
00:22:45.080so you're not going to have a massive liberal leaning audience when you come from country music
00:22:50.880your base is going to be mostly republican mostly rural her first tours were like with brad paisley
00:22:58.040like she's not really built on a liberal platform she's built on more of a conservative platform
00:23:04.480until she went to hollywood and yeah but and then there was like a few years and just certain
00:23:08.700policies she's always kind of been clear that she has leaned towards the democrats because of lgbt
00:23:13.340issues and her personal stance on abortion and I mean fine most uh celebrities you know like I mean
00:23:19.920Kid Rock and Hulk Hogan were at the the RNC convention so I yeah why wouldn't Taylor Swift
00:23:26.180jump in on the other side at this point right sure but I mean you know Kid Rock just isn't
00:23:29.760gonna pull him like no no and the influence she's had like even myself as an NFL fan and now she
00:23:35.580you know she's dating Kelsey so there's a whole new audience the viewership has gone up
00:23:41.040For Kansas City games, just because these are new viewers, that's what I'm seeing, the factor with this voting, she didn't change anybody who already had team loyalties, but she brought in a whole new raft of people that never watched in the first place.
00:23:54.620And that's what I see with the election, she's going to bring a bunch of non-voters into the mix, and their votes count just as much as a registered Republican or Democrat.
00:24:02.840Well, I mean, me, if I'm in a press scrum and Kelsey's right in front of me, the first question I'm asking is, who are you voting for?
00:24:10.080so you know maybe we're going to see a familial split here where you know they don't agree but
00:24:16.200they agree to vote separately like that happens a lot that happens a lot in the states for sure too
00:24:21.380but what if he says he's going to back Harris what if a bunch of the NFL players especially
00:24:28.320with some of the BLM stuff and through some of their own movements a bunch of NFL players start
00:24:33.780coming out and they endorse Harris which it would be interesting to see athletes starting to endorse
00:24:39.020candidates but could that also mobilize you know the average person who sits at home who just
00:24:44.500watches football on the weekends and they decide they're going to vote what if he endorses trump
00:24:48.960like there's it's a fascinating whole new world well you have to wonder too if swift came out of
00:24:56.340her own volition and endorsed kamala that way or if there has been some kind of influence who knows0.93
00:25:03.240where the money is moving if how do you influence her yeah how big a bribe would you need to influence1.00
00:25:09.960swift right i mean she can buy countries you know yeah there's nobody has the money to influence her0.93
00:25:15.800that way i mean they can influence her but that's what's interesting too even if she gets a bit of0.58
00:25:20.520backlash loses a bit of following she's too big to fail as the old saying goes but i mean she's
00:25:25.880gonna lose uh those people maybe in the states but she still has the entire rest of the world
00:25:33.000so i actually seen uh it was a while ago someone actually broke down to the median family income
00:25:39.720comparing what her income is and basically to her the hundred thousand dollars each to all of the
00:25:47.240truck drivers and bonuses she gave amounts to a dollar 67 or something it was basically it was
00:25:53.240less than a cup of coffee is what it actually costs to her so for me making whatever I make
00:25:58.600what a cup of coffee costs to me her giving one point whatever million dollars worth of bonuses0.76
00:26:03.700to the truck drivers equates to her about the same as a much of much as a cup of coffee so I0.98
00:26:09.400like I honestly think the amount of like the entire spend of Kamala's campaign wouldn't be
00:26:15.760enough to influence her to endorse I think that's coming straight from her and it was funny that she
00:26:21.340signed it off as the childless cat lady because trump has been calling liberal women a bunch of
00:26:27.680childless cat ladies and uh you know and also kind of funny that she posted a picture of her and a
00:26:33.640cat after trump said the immigrants were eating cats the internet is absolutely on fire but that
00:26:39.420but that's the thing that's why trump won the internet is all full of memes about stuff trump
00:26:44.420said nobody remembers policy nobody remembers policy that's part of why i was a little rough
00:26:49.960on Trump on my show. And I still, I'll say it again. I don't like the guy. If I was in the
00:26:54.680States, I'd probably vote for him because I'd still want to see a conservatively government
00:26:57.580better than Kamala, but I do not like him, but I'm a policy guy. I want to see policies. And
00:27:02.720that's why I'm frustrated. That's, but I'm in the minority. As you said, sound bites,
00:27:06.880capturing news, dominating the memes is how you capture the vote now.
00:27:12.640Trump called that out last night too. He said, that's a lie. And that was,
00:27:16.160that was that was a soundbite and really made me angry there was four or five times I think Ben
00:27:23.960Shapiro actually pointed a few of them out too last night where Kamala flat out lied and they
00:27:29.520did not push back on her and that was frustrating too and but that also directly feeds into Trump's
00:27:35.520narrative about the fake news the fake media they're all against me they're saying I'm a danger
00:27:41.340to democracy, but look at how they behave. He has denounced Project 2025 repeatedly from the
00:27:49.360beginning. Yes, some of his team did write that. He has not endorsed it. He has said he will not
00:27:55.400put that policy in place. And she said he was going to do it. He had to push back on it. And
00:28:00.580neither of the hosts said a damn word. And that was frustrating. That's true. And it does only
00:28:05.020play into Trump when, you know, it's like the old saying, it's not a conspiracy when they really are
00:28:09.600all out to get you. And the bias in the moderation of that debate was terrible. And, you know, I
00:28:16.260tweeted that. I just said, geez, I hate it when moderators jump in on the debate. And I don't
00:28:19.240care what side. I didn't tune in to listen to the stinking moderators. I tuned in to listen to0.58
00:28:24.200the candidates. And the role of the person to counter Trump's lies, and he lied a lot.
00:28:29.600That's Kamala's role. That's your job. And Trump, likewise, the other way you correct her,
00:28:35.500You know, for example, with her denying that she was donating to, you know, get Black Lives Matter people on bail.
00:28:55.320Not gay new ones, but it certainly galvanizes the existing ones.0.60
00:28:58.460See, and I actually think it does push some of the more moderates in swing states.
00:29:05.700I'm thinking specifically of like Arizona, because they're not really extreme Republicans there.
00:29:11.400But when you hear the media and you hear this and everybody is against the person, you kind of start to gravitate towards that person if you're a center right person.
00:29:19.900Because you're like, what are they doing?
00:29:21.760Because I would say ABC is an extreme liberal network, and you have probably one of the most extreme liberal candidates in the history of the presidency of the United States.
00:29:33.140And if I'm sitting there as a center-right person and a moderate, and I'm seeing, okay, Kamala, the news, everyone else is all ganging up on Trump, maybe there's something here that I should push towards Trump on.
00:29:46.180I also like fighting for an underdog, too.
00:29:48.320Anybody with an anti-establishment attitude is going to feel more well.
00:29:51.640The establishment doesn't like this guy.
00:29:53.460I don't like the establishment, so he's getting my ex.
00:29:58.740Yeah, and another thing last night that really stood out for me that really made me angry
00:30:03.280was Kamala taking a victory lap on not having servicemen serving anywhere around the world right now.
00:30:10.960Everyone's at home. We're not in an active war zone, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:30:13.760It's especially embarrassing that today is September 11th.
00:30:16.840Yeah. I had friends that fought in Afghanistan for Canada. Both of them have PTSD. One of them
00:30:24.360has a service dog. They have gone through extreme mental anguish. And there are so many more
00:30:31.960American veterans that went through so much worse in Afghanistan and Iraq. And her withdrawal and
00:30:40.400the blood on her hands from that withdrawal from Afghanistan, the people we left behind,
00:30:45.220the weapons and ammunition and the machinery and the equipment that we left behind and the people
00:30:51.680that died she should have apologized for that and not taken a victory lap to me it was disgusting
00:30:59.800to me she pivoted off of it when Trump said you didn't even go see those families and I did
00:31:05.500and she pivoted off of it to a victory lap and I think that was disgusting yeah no the veterans I
00:34:24.640but that was the closest to dangerous or violent or anything that I ever heard that whole time that
00:34:33.180was down there um you know uh now the trial's over they were found not guilty of conspiracy
00:34:40.300to commit murder uh the people who keep continuing to say that they had a plot to kill the police
00:34:45.620you're wrong that did not happen a jury of their peers examined the evidence and they have decided
00:34:51.640that did not happen so people need to take that off the table and now we need to look at the
00:34:57.520weapons so they had guns they had a restricted weapon it was possession of a restricted weapon
00:35:02.860and from what I understand they just didn't have the license to have the weapon but this is Canada
00:35:07.620we have very serious charges for weapons offenses and I have been a long-time advocate of stiffer
00:35:14.320sentences no bail for criminals with dangerous history and they were charged with conspiracy
00:35:21.240to commit murder, I would expect them not to get bail. Now, there are a lot of people that are very
00:35:27.240upset, and understandably so, because it is very provable that people charge with more serious
00:35:33.600offenses. For example, there was a shooting in Medicine Hat where someone actually got shot
00:35:38.460a few weeks ago. The person who shot him is out on bail right now. So these guys just had a supposed
00:35:45.080a conspiracy, yet they were held in jail without bail for 900 days, and this guy actually shot
00:35:51.760someone and he's out. People are frustrated about that, the double standard in the system.
00:35:56.240I agree. It's even more insane, but I support stiffer sentences, so I'm okay with their sentence,
00:36:04.040but compared to other situations, I believe it was Andy Lee who pointed this out on Twitter,
00:36:10.440there was somebody who cracked open a police officer's head with a skateboard, got less time
00:36:16.900in jail. The two kids that ran over the cop here in Calgary and killed him, they got less time in
00:36:24.360jail. You can kill a cop in this country and get less time in jail than these guys got for weapons
00:36:29.520offenses. That is what people are so mad about. That is the part of the system that is broken,
00:36:34.960and I agree, but I also agree that we are a country of laws and order, and there are consequences for not following those laws.
00:36:44.420Yeah, well, the question, though, is the sentence, right?
00:36:46.740So, Jen, like, on these charges, I mean, the judge, okay, the jury made the decision, the judge chooses the sentencing, and he picked a very large one.
00:36:55.500Typically, in Canada, it's two to three times the amount you spent in remand gets credited towards your sentence.
00:37:20.160And he could have been a lot more forgiving in that sense.
00:37:24.640I myself went down to the courthouse in Lethbridge and witnessed the sentencing.
00:37:29.200The judge spent about almost three hours reading the decision. And in that decision, he cited several precedent cases, maybe 18 to 20 other cases in Canadian history, reaching back to the 80s, as recent as 23, where each of these cases had far less sentencing decisions than what he handed out to these coots boys.1.00
00:37:56.140So many of these prior cases had three years, four years, and then he turned1.00
00:38:01.600around and gave Tony and Chris this 6.5 year sentencing, and that is for the
00:38:08.260weapons offense. They also got sentenced to six months each for mischief, and this
00:38:15.060sentence can be served concurrently with their other ones, so it still
00:38:20.380sets a precedent for others facing mischief charges, especially from the
00:38:25.140time of the Freedom Convoy in Canada. So here in Alberta, the COOTS III you mentioned, Marco and
00:38:31.760Alex, the three of them, and also Tamara Leach in Ottawa. So I learned that in Alberta, if there's
00:38:39.540a mischief sentence or any sentence, then that is a required sentence for all other cases like it
00:38:46.920in the province. So that means that the other COOTS III are expecting to get that six months at least,
00:38:53.140And it sets a precedent for other provinces. So Leach in Ontario, for example, they'll look at this case, and that will at least set kind of a minimum. But the judge said outright that he was using this as an example. He said this is so that you two boys, but also the rest of Canada knows that you can't be getting up to this kind of behavior.
00:39:18.020I mean, you know, how much do you think it would impact anybody who really, I don't know what was going through their minds. I know one of them, personally. He's from out in my area in Pritis and so on. And at least from, you know, my anecdotal and knowledge of him, he's not a violent guy. He wasn't going to go kill people or start a revolution. He made, in my view, some stupid decisions. And those decisions have consequences. But they weren't going to start a revolution.
00:39:47.480even if they wanted to, they're four guys. Those four people could cause a lot of damage. Fair enough.
00:39:51.560Now, if somebody's really convinced themselves in a crazed world of cosplay that they're on the
00:39:57.400cusp of the revolution, they're on the brink of the world truly falling apart and becoming
00:40:02.200dystopian, do you think any of them would really think twice or care less what the last sentence
00:40:06.840was for somebody who did that? No, I don't think that that was something that was on their mind.
00:40:11.720however the judge he explicitly said okay so these men had were acquitted they were found
00:40:18.360not guilty for the conspiracy charges to murder a police officer and by the way he made it clear
00:40:24.440too that there was no terrorism related offenses here contrary to common allegations on social
00:40:30.680media yeah that that's just not a thing in this case however even though that was he they were
00:40:38.200acquitted of that charge, he continued to circle back to that theme, and he was trying
00:40:45.360to make this connection for using the weapons for a dangerous purpose, which brings up the
00:40:50.500explosive that Tony was sentenced to further charge an extra six months, and the judge
00:40:58.240came right out and said, well, I don't know that you were using this for a dangerous purpose
00:41:04.320or if it's for something else like work.
00:41:30.820And to me, it actually, I find it offensive.
00:41:34.320A jury trial is selected for a reason. And a jury of their peers has examined all of the evidence and decided their case did not meet the threshold. They were not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And it is a waste of government money. There are serious criminals out there. There are serious crimes going on.
00:41:56.180We have already spent so much on the prosecution of these protesters, and we have also seen that protesters who get charged in BC that are in alignment with the federal government and are supposed to be deported out of our country will be saved by a minister.
00:42:13.240At this point, I believe someone needs to stand up and say an appeal is not in the public interest. It is not in the fiscal interest. Enough. You failed.
00:43:08.000I don't want to compare it with these guys.
00:43:10.380But if the RCMP searched their house and found child porn, you would expect they also get charged with that.
00:43:19.260So that is just the way the system works.
00:43:21.380Now, I don't understand, but the jury, obviously, through listening through everything with the trial, decided that he was guilty of the possession of an explosive weapon.
00:43:32.940So I'm going to go with what the jury decided.
00:43:35.640Now, there is also the secret envelope.
00:44:17.940Maybe the defense appeal will see what's in it.
00:44:20.360but um i i just i don't know like i i think at this point it's done i realistically these guys
00:44:29.300have been model prisoners they will probably be released within six months on good behavior
00:44:33.980anyways um but i i just uh it it is it is uh it is a double standard they were held to a higher
00:44:43.660threshold. They were held more accountable than everyone else. But me personally, I want to see
00:44:50.500criminals punished more. And not them, but all of the other ones as well. Just to your point about
00:44:58.980the sealed envelope, I spoke with Carbert's attorney and she confirmed of the envelope. She
00:45:05.260said that she actually has seen it herself. And in closed door meetings, they had a decision to keep
00:45:12.500bit client attorney privilege. And so I have also heard speculations about what is contained
00:45:21.480in this envelope in terms of incriminating behavior of one of the Crown prosecutors and
00:45:29.100the RCMP, but we don't know for sure. We only have this speculation. However, she did confirm
00:45:35.260that in the appeals process, so she's going to be appealing the sentences handed down this week,
00:45:41.260And that is when the envelope is going to be addressed again.
00:45:44.920So I don't think that we've heard the last of the sealed envelope mystery.
00:45:49.860And if that's what's in that envelope, then I would expect that we actually have an investigation into the prosecutors then.
00:45:56.180Because I think there is a general mistrust of the judicial system in Canada right now.
00:46:01.920And if we have prosecutorial misconduct going on, then I think it's time for the government to stand up and do something and bring faith back into our judicial system.