Western Standard - LIVE - Triggered： Breaking down the by-election.

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Good morning. It's March 16th, 2022, and welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan. We got a good

00:00:38.960 packed show today, especially for political wonks. Boy, I mean, last night's by-election

00:00:43.600 results were something else, and then I got some great guests coming up. Just that reminder,

00:00:48.480 this is the Western Standards Live Daily Show. We come to you at 11.30 a.m. Mountain Standard Time,

00:00:54.560 Monday to Friday. And comments, of course, I want that interaction. Let's get back and forth

00:00:59.520 comment to me comment towards the guests uh discuss things with each other we just always

00:01:04.700 want to keep it somewhat civil you know we can get a little heated we can get on each other's

00:01:09.260 cases boy i mean people with some of their comments on my poor fashion sense are cutting

00:01:14.000 you know i cry myself to sleep occasionally but i'll get over it uh constructive critique is

00:01:19.560 welcome as well uh so yes on today's guests i've got a actually a respiratory specialist

00:01:25.580 chris schaefer coming on he's going to talk about impacts for masking uh you know there really are

00:01:30.220 impacts we never talked much about it most of the mandates are dropping now but now we just want to

00:01:34.940 make sure they stay behind us and he did some testing on things uh and and we're going to go

00:01:39.660 into that and see how that goes now after that i have conservative party of canada leadership

00:01:44.620 candidate pierre polyev everybody knows who mr polyev is and uh we had a you know a great talk

00:01:50.940 about his campaign and what his plans are and it uh he uh speaks to a few direct things it's

00:01:57.420 quite revealing on where he wants to go where you know that race is just getting off the ground it

00:02:02.220 won't be finished until september 10th and it sounds like we'll be talking to mr paul you have

00:02:06.300 a number of times so he's kicking things off now and he had a great talk with me so i'm gonna get

00:02:12.300 into last night's uh by election results in fort mcmurray lacklabish it's hard to read too much

00:02:19.740 into by-election results so we try you know it's a big uh some very difficult tea leaves to deal

00:02:25.420 with they give us snapshots though the electoral mood between elections last night's biology in

00:02:29.740 fort mcmurray lacklabish was the only one we've seen actually since the general election in 2019

00:02:34.780 it's unusual to go so long without a seat opening up now let's break down what we saw in the results

00:02:40.380 the turnout was about 24 percent to the eligible voters this isn't unusual unfortunately people

00:02:45.660 who are they're rarely strongly engaged when it comes to by-elections even though the parties are

00:02:49.580 tossing everything they have at them. Now I'm going to start in breaking down the winners

00:02:54.460 and work down to the losers last night in descending order here. Brian Jean was clearly

00:02:59.980 the winner in electoral numbers and in general, really. We have 64% in the election. Jean

00:03:05.580 comfortably won the seat. His campaign was odd in that it was against the leader of his own party.

00:03:10.780 Jean rarely went into policy details, remained focused on the need to displace Jason Kenney

00:03:15.180 as the UCP leader as soon as possible. Of course, Gene's been unapologetic that he has ambitions to

00:03:20.380 run for leader if and when that job becomes open. So Gene's campaign was almost independent of the

00:03:26.060 party itself, as the party really didn't direct a lot of resources or attention to that race up

00:03:32.060 there in Fort McMurray-Lacklebish, understandably. Premier Kenney didn't want to see any more

00:03:37.580 attention drawn to it than he had to. So Gene now has the seat, and the by-election's giving

00:03:41.900 them a springboard into a possible leadership race for the ucp that's going to all depend on

00:03:46.220 the leadership review results in a few weeks from now gene's going to be using that seat as a

00:03:51.100 platform to organize disgruntled mlas and party members to get out and vote against premier

00:03:55.660 kenny on april 9th in red deer the ndp now in the last night's by-election we're the clear loser

00:04:01.900 they've been hoping to position themselves as a government in waiting the by-election presented

00:04:05.740 an opportunity to demonstrate that they've been gaining ground in the last three years

00:04:09.820 They threw everything but the kitchen sink at the race and finished with a weak 18.5% finish.

00:04:16.100 They ran an experienced and well-known candidate with Arianna Mancini.

00:04:20.380 She won 31% support in the 2015 election, but that's dropped down now to 18.5.

00:04:26.480 And that 18.5 is still 6% down from where they landed in the 2019 election as well.

00:04:32.460 So while that riding isn't strong NDP country, they should have at least made some gains and inroads in the by-election.

00:04:38.280 The drop in this support in this election does not bode well for Notley's NDP.

00:04:42.080 They need to be making gains if they really actually do hope in the general election to be able to displace the party in power.

00:04:48.380 Now, one that gets a little more difficult to read is Wildrose Independence Party leader Paul Hinman.

00:04:52.900 He sort of won and he sort of lost, in my view.

00:04:55.220 The 11% showing was surely disappointing to Hinman, but it was a solid third.

00:05:00.860 I mean, there were a number of other parties running, and they were, for the most part, they were struggling to garner 1% of the vote individually.

00:05:07.800 It does establish the Wildrose Independence Party as the next conservative alternative for the UCP, but it does remain a distant one.

00:05:15.800 As the leader of the party, it's a blow for Hinman.

00:05:19.200 He tirelessly door-knocked for months, which is much of why the Wildrose Independence Party wasn't down in the single digits like the other parties.

00:05:25.300 His showing did show momentum and growth, but it wasn't a breakthrough result, and it's going to be hard to say that that was a great victory for the party at this point.

00:05:34.240 And it was hard for the Wildrose Independence Party to capitalize on the Andy Kenney sentiment, as Gene had already wrapped that up.

00:05:41.700 Going farther down, and we'll be talking more about that later on in the pipeline today, by the way,

00:05:46.300 and it sounds like there may be some challenges for Paul's leadership coming from this.

00:05:50.780 We'll see as the days wind up.

00:05:52.620 The Alberta Party, for those who remember them, they've always been around.

00:05:56.120 They lost terribly.

00:05:57.440 They came in with 1.7% support.

00:05:59.780 And while the media likes to give them a surprising amount of oxygen, they never really managed to get electoral results.

00:06:05.340 They campaign on being everything to everybody by claiming ground on this mythical middle.

00:06:11.400 It leads to them being nothing for nobody.

00:06:14.120 And the Alberta Party, as you see, all these Alberta Party, Independence Party, this and that, it's hard to keep track these days.

00:06:20.640 They're experiencing some growth under the leadership of Greg Clark a few years ago when he won their lone seat in 2015.

00:06:26.840 The party then took the sage guidance of good old Stephen Carter.

00:06:30.460 Yes, that name that keeps surfacing.

00:06:32.260 And they torpedoed their leader, Clark, out of the leadership, even though he'd won their only seat.

00:06:36.380 They installed Stephen Mandel as their leader and managed to get totally obliterated in the 2019 general election.

00:06:42.380 Carter, of course, scurried off to the hills and later ended up working for Mayor Gondek for a few months until he got fired from there.

00:06:49.960 They keep hiring him and they keep firing him.

00:06:52.260 So under the new leadership of former Brooks Mayor Barry Morishida, the Alberta party was hoping to make a splash in the by-election, but it was a flop. They can't claim a victory here. And they threw everything they had at that by-election.

00:07:06.260 Now getting down to those other, also rands, I guess is the term, the Independence Party of Alberta.

00:07:13.100 And yes, one of the representatives contacted us, very upset that we weren't paying nearly

00:07:16.920 enough attention to them. We didn't even actually quite know they were there. We didn't know they

00:07:19.580 changed the name of their party. They didn't even have a campaign website for Fort Mac,

00:07:23.780 you know, that would take 20 minutes to set up really with some of the templates out there.

00:07:28.040 But I guess it's our fault because we didn't add them in our reader survey. Either way,

00:07:31.840 they were nearly tied with the Alberta Advantage Party. Marilyn Burns runs that with 24 votes for

00:07:38.860 the Independence Party of Alberta and 25 votes for the Alberta Advantage Party. And I didn't

00:07:43.020 misspeak. It's tough percentages. That's the total votes they each had. These parties are non-entities

00:07:48.520 run by people with chips on their shoulders over past political slights. Literally, they aren't

00:07:52.880 going anywhere soon. Now, a registered party is an asset as it's difficult to get a party

00:07:57.180 registered in Alberta. For a registered party to fail to even garner more than 25 votes in an

00:08:02.440 election is sad, to say the least. And hey, I can sympathize with alternative parties running

00:08:08.280 on principle rather than an expectation to win. I've done it myself. With even a minor effort,

00:08:13.560 though, a candidate should be able to at least garner a few hundred votes. Clearly, they didn't

00:08:17.920 even try. Of course, still, the biggest loser of all today remains Jason Kenney. He had no way to 0.96

00:08:24.040 win in the first place. It's just a matter of the degree or way he lost. If Hinman had won,

00:08:28.520 it would have shaken the entire UCP and their confidence in Kenny's leadership.

00:08:32.260 If the NDP had won, it would have shaken the entire province and their confidence in Kenny's

00:08:36.720 leadership. Brian Jean won, and he will now be dedicating his time to shaking the UCP caucus's

00:08:42.420 confidence in Kenny's leadership. But what can Kenny do? Kick Jean out of the party before he

00:08:47.920 even assumes his seat? Jean won't even be officially sworn in until early April, but he's

00:08:51.840 surely going to be coming to the legislature before then.

00:08:55.040 Kenny had already been experiencing caucus discord and has tossed out members for it.

00:08:59.920 With Gene, it's going to be right in the open and he's going to be lighting fires

00:09:03.440 in caucus. The by-election was a singular event, but the outcome was somewhat predictable. The big

00:09:09.680 campaign now is in leading up to the April 9th leadership review of Jason Kenney's leadership

00:09:15.040 at the UCP. The gloves are going to be coming off in the weeks to come, and we're going to see some

00:09:18.560 some of the most lively political maneuvering witnessed in generations. This is Kenny's last

00:09:22.600 chance to hang on to the party leadership, and to be frank, it isn't looking very good for him.

00:09:27.980 So that's where things are landing on that. Now let's bring in Dave Naylor to talk about more

00:09:33.020 what's making the headlines in the news today, because it's another busy one.

00:09:37.580 Hey Dave, how's it going out there? Good, Corey. Stephen Carter, that's a name from the past,

00:09:42.660 eh? I wish it would be from the past, but it keeps popping up and popping up.

00:09:46.920 Exactly. Hey, as viewers may or may not know, Western Standard has moved their world headquarters into a new facility. We've dropped down one floor. And you and I, while we have a nice kind of window to look out at, we're sort of cubicle buddies now. So I'm thinking we may need to set some ground rules because, to be honest, some of your crap is getting pretty close to my desk.

00:10:08.620 Well, we'll work on putting up some barriers and maybe some mousetraps and things to make sure we stay on each other's end of things.

00:10:16.920 I'm certain we'll iron that out over the course of the next few months.

00:10:20.480 All right.

00:10:21.560 So I don't want to spoil your entire show, but you were kind enough to give us a quick look at the Polyev interview.

00:10:30.320 So we've got a couple of stories from that up there at the moment on the website.

00:10:34.840 So I encourage everybody to go and look at that.

00:10:37.900 but I won't steal Corey's thunder by telling you what they are.

00:10:41.300 But there is a lot of fallout this morning, Corey,

00:10:43.740 from that by-election that you've talked about.

00:10:47.820 The Wild Rose Independence Party president, Rick Northey,

00:10:51.860 released a statement saying he is launching an investigation

00:10:54.880 into his own leader, Paul Hinman, and his efforts,

00:10:59.700 not very good efforts, are not very, they didn't pay off.

00:11:04.060 He worked very hard, but they didn't pay off in votes.

00:11:06.540 And Rick Northey is basically saying we would have done better with a local candidate.

00:11:13.960 And perhaps it wasn't up to Paul Hinman to try and insert himself into the race.

00:11:19.480 So they've launched an investigation into that.

00:11:23.280 And speaking of Jason Kenney's leadership, we've got a good story on some of the behind-the-scenes background

00:11:31.600 that the UCP government is doing to try and keep him in power.

00:11:35.600 They have ordered Kenny's staff and ministerial staff for every minister to give up three days of work, go unpaid leave this week, and make phone calls on behalf of Kenny.

00:11:50.780 You know, they say they're going to supply the pizza for them to do it, but three days unpaid seems a fairly steep price to pay for me.

00:11:59.980 What else we got on there?

00:12:01.320 We got a good column from yourself, Corey, on the defunding police movement and all the good times that come along with that.

00:12:11.380 More bad news for Canadian consumers this morning.

00:12:13.960 Corey, inflation is at a 30-year high, 5.7% for the month of February, led by increases in gasoline and meat.

00:12:26.840 and anybody who has tried to buy those things lately know that it's becoming more of a drain

00:12:33.540 on your wallet. Got a story on our favorite corporation, the CBC. A judge has slammed them

00:12:41.660 in a defamation salute against a Manitoba businessman, ordering him to pay almost a

00:12:47.980 quarter million dollars in legal fees for the case. This is after the judge had already awarded

00:12:53.840 the plaintiff 1.6 million for a completely wrong and biased cbc report so two million dollars of

00:13:01.680 taxpayers money gone down the drain there cory uh so that's what we've got on there at the moment

00:13:07.680 our amber brown is working working on a touching story about uh children suffering uh cancer in

00:13:14.640 in the ukraine just a terrible terrible situation over there and efforts to get them out of there

00:13:21.120 and into Canadian hospitals so they can get treatment.

00:13:25.180 So that'll be coming up shortly on the site

00:13:27.880 along with the rest of the day's news.

00:13:29.940 Great, and not to jump in and correct you, you know, without need,

00:13:32.220 but I believe you probably meant Amanda Brown, right, as opposed to Amber?

00:13:35.900 Yes, yes, thank you.

00:13:37.520 I'm losing my mind, as you know.

00:13:39.420 Oh, I understand.

00:13:40.100 I'm so worried about your encroachment on my desk

00:13:43.240 that I've completely lost the plot.

00:13:46.340 Well, I've been worried about catching COVID

00:13:48.380 with your exposure to high-level COVID carriers,

00:13:50.720 such as Jean Charest in the recent weeks.

00:13:52.580 I know, he announced the other day he had COVID.

00:13:56.460 I talked to him like 18 inches away on Thursday night.

00:14:01.080 No masks on anybody, of course, that's fine.

00:14:04.540 But yeah, we had a chat and I was a bit worried

00:14:07.560 I was going to get it.

00:14:08.480 But so far, knock on wood, symptom free.

00:14:11.920 All right, well, I'm going to have to start thinking

00:14:13.780 about more creative things to throw on that shared desk.

00:14:16.220 And thanks for checking in with us today, Dave,

00:14:18.380 and we'll talk to you later.

00:14:20.120 We'll see you later on Trigger, or on, I told you I was losing my mind.

00:14:23.880 See you later on the pipeline.

00:14:26.400 That's right.

00:14:27.260 All right, Dave.

00:14:28.900 But yeah, lots on the go and lots to watch.

00:14:30.760 I mean, boy, you know, of course, the horrific scene in Ukraine with the Russian invasion

00:14:35.800 and the stories just keep coming out of there.

00:14:38.220 Federally, we've got that leadership race going.

00:14:40.300 And as we said, now provincially, we've got this political hornet's nest on the go.

00:14:45.340 And Brian Jean is going to be on the show tomorrow, actually.

00:14:48.540 I will talk to him and we'll see what his plans are going forward.

00:14:52.080 I mean, it's like levels and levels of campaigning.

00:14:55.120 Now he's campaigned and won the by-election.

00:14:58.300 He's going to be, if he can, running for the leadership of the UCP.

00:15:02.520 But first, he has to ensure that there's an opening.

00:15:04.920 So he's going to be campaigning hard to have Kenny, of course, kicked out of office.

00:15:10.020 And that's interesting to hear from Dave.

00:15:11.560 That's what I was talking about, some of the crazy political play and machinations we're going to see.

00:15:15.100 So these staffers apparently all will go and they'll have to be really careful with this on unpaid leave.

00:15:21.460 Because if they're paid, if it's government dollars going in to get those guys helping out on campaigning for the premier to win that partisan leadership review, there's going to be a bad explosion going on there.

00:15:36.400 Though, I mean, Jason Kenney and his team are smart political players.

00:15:39.800 I'm sure they're being careful enough to make sure that separation is in there.

00:15:44.280 I mean, even if they're not getting direct compensation in dollars, come on, let's get real.

00:15:48.620 You're a senior staffer for a cabinet minister, and you're voluntarily going to take a few days to help out for Premier Kenney.

00:15:58.440 But you know what would happen if you decide not to volunteer?

00:16:01.620 How long is your job trajectory after that?

00:16:04.620 You know, we understand the realities of political play and arm twisting.

00:16:08.540 Again, you can never see it on the front, but we're going to see a lot of this going on.

00:16:11.500 We've got a premier who's very desperate to keep his job, and we've got a whole lot of people very inspired to try and take him out of it, and it's just going to heat up more and more in coming days. 1.00

00:16:22.720 Something that Dave talked about as well, and I mentioned the protests going on in Calgary, and I talked about the Defund the Police crowd, because they are a bunch of wackos, and the behavior in City Hall yesterday was something else. 0.99

00:16:34.720 I'm going to have actually Councillor Dan McLean coming on the show this Friday. 1.00

00:16:38.480 He's one of the only ones who voted against sending that letter to the police commission to complain about their lack of beating down on peaceful protesters.

00:16:46.920 But things are getting heated up out there.

00:16:48.680 And Police Chief Neufeld was on the radio this morning, and he was referring to those protesters now as anti-democracy protesters.

00:16:56.180 I'm not talking about the counter protesters.

00:16:57.740 I'm talking about the large group that does their march every week.

00:17:00.160 So they're reframing the discussion.

00:17:02.140 I mean, that's a purposeful thing.

00:17:03.560 Those words mean something. The police, I think this weekend, they're going to start pushing back

00:17:09.580 on those protests. And I've seen that the freedom protests are really doubling down and trying to

00:17:14.820 get more people out than ever. The weather is going to be nice. I don't know what's going to

00:17:18.400 happen with the counter protesters, but I got a feeling it's not going to be a quiet weekend in

00:17:22.520 Calgary. Hopefully it's as peaceful as can be done in such an unusual and crazy situation,

00:17:30.980 but it is really ramping up to something that could be troublesome,

00:17:34.880 and I really hope it isn't so much in the news going on right now.

00:17:39.140 And I am going to be coming out this Saturday to cover it, at least.

00:17:41.860 I'm not taking part in these marches or anything,

00:17:44.060 but the important thing to get these things is get there firsthand.

00:17:47.600 There's counter-protesters, there's protesters, there's police.

00:17:50.860 There's almost three separate groups, and hopefully things don't go off the rails.

00:17:54.640 But if they do, it always is every group pointing at the other one,

00:17:57.980 saying that they started it.

00:17:58.960 And you can never tell when you only get a snapshot from this person or a snapshot from that person.

00:18:02.960 You don't know.

00:18:03.580 So I want to be there myself and see.

00:18:06.040 And, you know, I'm just going to report what I see.

00:18:07.960 I mean, I've been supportive of the freedom protests.

00:18:10.080 But if they're being a bunch of weenies and they start trouble with the police or they go after those counter protesters, I will call them out.

00:18:16.160 And likewise, the counter protesters or police.

00:18:19.080 And again, let's just hope it stays safe.

00:18:20.880 As I said the other day, I think it is time for these protesters to start moving into a different venue.

00:18:27.340 It's getting tiring for the citizens who live down there.

00:18:30.100 It's a residential area they march through.

00:18:32.200 It's been week after week.

00:18:33.240 The restrictions have been dropping.

00:18:34.980 I understand they want to keep protesting, but it's time, I think, to move it to the

00:18:39.280 federal building, to city hall, to other areas, because it's just putting too much pressure.

00:18:42.740 And now if this blows up and it turns into a bunch of arrests and possible injuries or

00:18:47.460 property damage, public support is really going to drop for them.

00:18:50.640 So I hope they're going to be proactive with it.

00:18:53.580 Time will tell.

00:18:54.840 Before I get to my guest there, Chris Schaefer,

00:18:56.620 I see one of the commenters was looking forward to seeing him coming on.

00:19:00.380 That's great.

00:19:00.800 It's going to be an interesting talk.

00:19:02.180 I should speak to, though, those folks who help pay our bills.

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00:20:18.240 okay so let's bring a specialist uh you know it's hard to describe i was looking at his videos and

00:20:24.440 such but he's a specialist in safety and respiration and breathing essentially in workplace

00:20:29.300 environments and other places chris schaefer and he's done a lot of work on this in the last couple

00:20:33.180 of years and uh it's really not been covered enough in some ways i think so let's bring chris

00:20:38.080 in here and start talking about masks hi chris how you doing hey good good cory thank you for uh

00:20:43.440 thank you for bringing me in. Oh, much appreciated. Glad to have you on today. So I did watch,

00:20:49.180 I believe you've done a number of things, but there was one video I looked up and it was where

00:20:52.820 we always get right into it with masking. You started measuring carbon dioxide levels

00:20:58.440 within masks when people wore masks and face shields and things such as that.

00:21:03.200 And they typically, I mean, it's not giving that free airflow that some people would imply when

00:21:08.220 comes to wearing masks well yeah because essentially if you just you know cover your

00:21:13.580 mouth and nose with a closed cover it's going to trap your carbon dioxide and it's going to force

00:21:18.540 you to re-inhale it and because there's no exhalation valve it's going to cause you to

00:21:23.900 re-inhale your carbon dioxide which can cause a whole host of problems to the person wearing it

00:21:30.060 yeah so actually i should have started with a bit of your background too so you specialize

00:21:33.740 in these sorts of things like if it was a workplace and they were concerned about the

00:21:36.940 breathing conditions for their employees and workers and things like that that you're the

00:21:40.060 type of person they would consult or speak to and then study those things to make sure workers are

00:21:44.540 safe absolutely so everything to do with uh with air monitoring um gas monitoring as well as uh

00:21:53.980 fit testing for respirators education for respirators that's been my career for the past

00:21:59.980 over 25 years now strictly with that and you know it's it's all different types of respirators

00:22:07.900 something from something very basic all the way up to and including emergency responders that would

00:22:13.340 go into biohazardous environments and everything in between yeah so um with what you're recovering

00:22:21.020 like is there there's so many questions when it comes to masking i mean there's questions

00:22:25.100 on whether they're even effective in reducing spread of transmission in the first place and

00:22:29.580 then the other part is so what kind of harm can be done though if a person's inhaling too much

00:22:33.500 carbon dioxide because a lot of people do still have been wearing masks for long periods of time

00:22:37.500 in their workplaces for different reasons whether it's a dusty environment or a medical environment

00:22:41.820 or things such as that and we don't hear a lot of reports of long-term damage with people from that

00:22:47.660 well it's because it hasn't been a long time yet it's still been a relatively short time

00:22:51.900 so uh just to give you an example uh this this is an example of a mask okay why is it a mask

00:22:59.100 because it has nostril holes and a mouthful not because it's on your face so anything you put on

00:23:04.460 your mouth and nose if it's going to make breathing harder then that's your first warning sign so in

00:23:09.500 order to design something that's going to provide respiratory protection and then also incorporate

00:23:15.180 easy effortless breathing takes a lot of money and a lot of engineering to do that that is why

00:23:19.900 we have what is called a respirator so this would be your basic type respirator now what makes it a

00:23:24.700 respirator is well first of all you get filtration protection right here from the filters right but

00:23:29.420 if you take the filter off the design of the device makes it a respirator so for instance

00:23:34.060 you have an inhalation opening here a big hole here through this hole air flows in easily and

00:23:38.940 effortlessly and air is pushed out and moisture and heat's pushed out through the exhalation valve

00:23:44.700 effortlessly so that something like this is actually designed and engineered for easy safe

00:23:49.180 breathing so the issues of trapping carbon dioxide and causing low oxygen environments

00:23:54.700 are not going to exist in a in a piece of equipment like this because it's actually

00:23:59.020 engineered for safe breathing yeah so with that um two-way thing i mean we've been seeing some

00:24:07.900 people talking about doubling even tripling masks on yourself i mean i i haven't even tried that

00:24:12.860 with myself i imagine you're gonna strain your lungs trying to breathe in and out effectively

00:24:17.820 uh when you've covered yourself in such a way well yeah and you know like um the standard here

00:24:24.060 the standard n95 uh this would be something that would have been something that uh was primarily

00:24:30.140 used as a shield for health care workers a shield for large uh drops and spray of mucus and bodily

00:24:37.420 fluids from people in hospital or health care environments it's never been used to filter

00:24:42.700 viruses it cannot be filter viruses it doesn't matter what you do if you um there's nothing that

00:24:48.860 you can use to filter viruses there's nothing i'll give you an example this is an actual respirator

00:24:54.860 designed for c safe breathing but even with the p100 protection on this it's not going to protect

00:25:00.620 you from viruses remember these are n95s n95 is the lowest level rating of respiratory protection

00:25:08.060 there is there's nothing lower than an n95 so it's impossible to think that any filter could

00:25:14.300 stop a virus it is it is not only impossible to think it's completely ridiculous so um the thing

00:25:21.660 to note that if you do cover your mouth and nose with a closed cover it's going to make breathing

00:25:25.500 more difficult that's a sign your body's trying to tell you that you know what maybe this shouldn't

00:25:29.820 be on your face because because a respirator is designed for easy engineered breathing and they

00:25:35.820 have visible openings in front of mouth and nose so if you have something on your face

00:25:40.460 and it doesn't have engineered visible openings in front of mouth and nose it's likely a breathing

00:25:46.780 barrier so you're breathing back and forth i see some of the irony with a lot of people who've been

00:25:50.700 trying to characterize carbon dioxide as being a terrible pollutant that we got to get under

00:25:55.180 control but then they understate how bad it is for us to bring up our own personal carbon dioxide

00:25:59.340 levels in breathing when we wear these masks yeah i mean the levels that i've measured are far in

00:26:04.860 access of what would be considered safe in fact they would be considered hazardous by every

00:26:10.060 regulatory body across the board whether it's alberta provincially whether it's canada nationally

00:26:15.340 whether it's uh whether it's north american uh regulations as well so it's not safe within any

00:26:21.580 regulation and that's been totally overlooked so people are so intent in thinking that by

00:26:27.020 covering their mouth and nose they're going to try and protect themselves against the virus

00:26:30.460 when in reality um the first requirement of any respirator is not to be filtration effective it's

00:26:38.540 to be safe to wear for breathing to make to make sure that it's properly going to vent your exhaled

00:26:44.380 carbon dioxide out of it so that you don't re-inhale it because re-inhaling it can cause

00:26:49.100 eglations it's no different than uh corey when you know you know we were taught by our parents

00:26:54.220 not to put a bag over our heads and we teach our children the same thing if you just take a closed

00:26:59.740 object put over your mouth and nose it's going to increase breathing resistance that's not going to

00:27:03.780 be safe for you to wear no and then the other aspect and part of what you covered in your video

00:27:10.420 i mean people talk about well medical personnel wear masks all the time and they do things but

00:27:14.240 that's when you get into that too a lot of people of course weren't trained in proper mass

00:27:19.460 mask utilization they aren't necessarily wearing it the right way or changing them out as frequently

00:27:23.760 as you would have to in order for them to be effective uh you know you put it out a person

00:27:27.480 has got it wearing the same one all day and hanging it off their chin half a day it's really not

00:27:30.840 having any effect for them in a good way whatsoever you know yeah and i mean um technically technically

00:27:38.920 like i said if it's a closed cover it doesn't it doesn't even meet the definition of a mask

00:27:43.400 like i said these things were introduced into healthcare primarily to act as a shield to protect

00:27:48.840 the healthcare practitioner and uh from um from a spray from a patient and uh you know the patient

00:27:57.960 from a spray from a healthcare practitioner in a mucus spray or bodily fluid spray but as far as

00:28:03.160 filtering viruses it's let me give you an example corey how ridiculous this is um a virus is so

00:28:10.280 small that you would need one of the world's most powerful electron microscopes to even see that it

00:28:15.320 exists period so that is why they don't make any respirators that can filter viruses because they're

00:28:21.560 too small they're so small they're there you can't even fathom how small they are so you think about

00:28:27.720 somebody wearing you know a piece of piece of cloth and you think about the poor openings on

00:28:31.880 a piece of cloth or the poor openings on an n95 or any one of these covers uh they're going to

00:28:37.240 be larger you can see light coming through and you don't need an electron microscope to see that

00:28:42.760 which tells you that it is impossible to stop any virus and and people say well you know what

00:28:48.760 viruses travel in droplets and it's going to uh uh that's going to stop all the droplets and

00:28:54.520 that's not true at all because you know viruses because they're so small the droplets are also

00:28:59.160 really small and the droplets the droplets are gonna are gonna be not much bigger than the

00:29:04.840 virus itself and as a result uh it's not gonna have any effect whatsoever except uh force you

00:29:12.280 to re-inhale your exhaled air cause hypoxia and even potentially cause thrombosis so thrombosis

00:29:18.840 is circulatory blood clots so basically how this works is this corey is that there's many documented

00:29:25.800 studies to prove and i have lots of references i'm actually building a very uh in the process

00:29:30.120 of starting to build a very uh comprehensive website on all things mask related called

00:29:36.200 maskexpert.ca and i'm going to be building that shortly here and it's going to have all the

00:29:43.880 resources for everybody that can see all of the scientific studies that show that these are not

00:29:49.320 safe to wear and really haven't been never really have been and it's not really a new thing it's

00:29:55.080 there's studies that go by decades scientific peer-reviewed studies that show that for filtering

00:30:00.760 apparatus, it's not an effective way to go. Yeah. Well, and I mean, some of the frustration,

00:30:07.520 I mean, even some of the authorities are kind of admitting that it might not be as effective

00:30:11.860 in stopping spread as they hope, but they kind of dismiss it and saying, well, but it's harmless.

00:30:16.320 It won't do anything to you. I mean, not even as you're pointing out, you know, there could be

00:30:19.220 definitely some potential harm from re-inhaling your own breath and such. But I mean, the social

00:30:24.360 harm, it really doesn't get stated enough. You know, people say it's just a minor inconvenience.

00:30:28.340 I don't consider spending my whole days covered with a mask, not able to smile to people, communicate to people and talk to people effectively to be a minor inconvenience, particularly when it comes to children and their social environments.

00:30:38.800 Yeah, like for me, I don't deal in the social aspects of it because I see so much hazard and then consequential.

00:30:46.720 If you don't, if you ignore a hazard, you're exposed to hazard long enough.

00:30:49.280 Harm is a natural consequence of that.

00:30:51.560 So that is where that's where my focus is.

00:30:54.780 right it's a multi-layer situation but uh the harm the actual harm and the hazard of it is uh

00:31:00.620 is uh proven and uh different people will experience different uh different consequences of it

00:31:06.620 and um all anybody has to do is look up online and find out you know what google search or internet

00:31:14.460 search uh what is the danger of re-inhaling your exhaled air what is the danger of a low oxygen

00:31:19.660 environment and both of these cause that in fact the the measurements that i've done and other

00:31:25.260 people have done but i've done myself to verify through my own uh reports is that um the oxygen

00:31:31.980 levels are lower and uh the carbon dioxide levels are higher than what would be permissible in any

00:31:37.340 workplace environment so imagine that we're forcing that on people people that have children

00:31:42.460 that require oxygen more frequently they're going to suffer a lot more uh people that are are maybe

00:31:48.140 have pre-existing medical conditions that are going to suffer a lot more from the reduced oxygen and

00:31:52.540 high carbon dioxide than ordinary average person so there are definite hazards and there are

00:31:58.140 definite harms and it's going to affect different people differently and time will tell for the

00:32:03.500 long-term consequences of that yeah and it shouldn't be dismissed i mean if you've got

00:32:07.900 oh and s regulations that say if your carbon dioxide levels in the workplace are this high

00:32:11.740 you have to get the workers out of there and you have to change the ventilation to address it

00:32:15.580 why is it not reasonable to say well when we're causing people to breathe out those sorts of

00:32:19.340 levels through a mask that this could be problematic yet they dismiss any discussion

00:32:23.100 of that whatsoever well you know i think this is a really unique situation because in the last two

00:32:29.100 decades more than two decades anything i've worked with government for more than two decades

00:32:34.380 in all different departments and i would say that this is the first time in history that

00:32:39.180 there's been such a respiratory emergency where they're they need respiratory protection where

00:32:44.380 somebody like myself has been ignored and and has not uh been asked invited to the table for the

00:32:51.420 discussion and consultation it's the first time in history and it's not just me there's others

00:32:55.420 like me as well where we have uh just been uh it's it's been rolled out around the world especially

00:33:01.420 in canada alberta wherever else and it's been done without the consultation of actual respirator

00:33:07.820 experts yeah well and i think you know getting to the political end of things which is more my turf

00:33:13.420 uh what happens with a lot of governments is they what becomes more important is to look like you're

00:33:17.740 doing something even if it isn't necessarily effective and masks are good as far as they're

00:33:22.460 concerned quick easy way to have uh visible legislation where they you know you can see

00:33:27.420 what's happening with it and make some people feel that the government has been doing something to

00:33:31.420 protect them from themselves and each other thus they jump onto it even if the evidence isn't

00:33:35.740 really terribly strong to support using those masks in the first place yeah i mean like the

00:33:40.620 The call of masks is really not in actuality,

00:33:44.260 the correct terminology for it,

00:33:45.740 because it doesn't have engineered breathing openings

00:33:47.380 that are visible, very easily pass in and out.

00:33:49.860 So the actual more correct term that I've coined

00:33:53.480 for these devices that were mandated,

00:33:56.060 that are now repealed, thank God,

00:33:57.440 but that were mandated are breathing barriers.

00:34:00.400 And I think breathing barrier is a more accurate description

00:34:03.480 of what these closed covers actually do.

00:34:08.400 Well, that's it.

00:34:09.240 know some people have been saying oh why are we discussing this the mandates are dropping it's

00:34:12.520 going away but we can't forget then we got to learn from what's happened and we know that

00:34:17.040 if infections start to rise the governments will on a drop of a hat reimpose all of those mandates

00:34:23.180 unless we kind of establish that these aren't the way to go this isn't how to protect people or

00:34:28.200 perhaps they are I mean the discussion's open and it hasn't been a two-way discussion so far so

00:34:33.100 that's why I wanted to get you on to explain some of these things I mean we shouldn't just be you

00:34:37.980 know bringing those mandates back in unless we got some very solid evidence that that they for

00:34:42.320 one of course are not going to harm people and that they offer much benefit we haven't seen a

00:34:46.740 lot of either i'm afraid absolutely a lot of changes have to occur and uh and you know you're

00:34:52.220 right uh what can what can be taken away can be brought back and um it's important that uh that

00:34:59.100 the public is given the best information and the best protection but also you know uh not to do

00:35:05.320 something that's going to cause more harm than nothing. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you coming on

00:35:10.940 to explain a bit of that today. As I said, you know, we just haven't heard enough of that side

00:35:14.180 and people looking into it in the whole pandemic in general, there just has not been enough nuanced

00:35:18.140 cost benefit discussion when it came to mandates overall. I mean, on every level. So I do appreciate

00:35:24.280 you getting out there and offering, you know, evidence. I mean, you're not just giving a point

00:35:28.960 of view. You have a video demonstrating your tests and other such things to show how the masks

00:35:34.940 have been impacting people so where can people find more information on what you're doing chris

00:35:39.020 and see what you know you've done in the past well like i said i'm building a website right

00:35:43.900 now maskexpert.ca it's going to have all the resources not just mine but all resources from

00:35:48.300 around the world uh government resources on um everything you can imagine it's going to be uh

00:35:54.060 readable in multiple languages it's quite an intense project and i'll be uh doing a little

00:35:59.500 bit of uh raised a little bit of money to help me out on that with uh give send go right away

00:36:04.780 uh to see if we can build this really quick and make it comprehensive and complete for everybody

00:36:10.460 so um also i also have uh some videos like on on rumble and that you people put on youtube

00:36:17.820 is not a fan of mine and and that's okay because i'm not really a big fan of youtube either

00:36:22.460 so um but i would say for the most part all my resources will soon be on maskexpert.ca

00:36:29.500 Great. Well, thanks for coming on to talk to us today, Chris. A lot of people are still

00:36:33.140 very concerned about this and I appreciate just the common sense approach and the update

00:36:37.680 on things. So hopefully perhaps we'll talk again soon once you've got your site up and

00:36:40.920 running. Sounds good, Corey. Thank you very much.

00:36:43.540 Great. Thanks, Chris. So yeah, that was Chris Schaefer and you can look him up. You start

00:36:49.680 Googling. He's quite easy to track down. And as I said, there were some great demonstration

00:36:53.120 videos that are out there and things such as that. It's a discussion worth having. There's

00:36:58.380 so many discussions that just weren't happening in general. I mean, as I said, the cost benefit,

00:37:03.760 it's been out of whack since day one, particularly when it came to lockdowns as well. I mean,

00:37:08.440 they kept talking about this benefit of slowing this infection rates, yet ignoring the amount

00:37:13.700 of damage being done by crushing businesses, by putting people under stress, by deferring medical

00:37:19.060 treatment in hospitals because you've locked people out. All of those things, they undercut

00:37:23.280 that, but all they talk about is the potential benefits of the lockdowns in the first place.

00:37:27.260 We need to look at both sides, especially when we're going to impose possible things

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00:39:07.400 about with the protests, it being a right and it wasn't a problem until the counter protesters

00:39:12.380 showed up. Absolutely. You know, I said that in the column I posted on it as well, but whether

00:39:18.420 right or wrong, I just concern myself about how things escalate. And I understand the point of a

00:39:24.840 protest is to inconvenience people and catch their attention, but who do you want inconvenience? I

00:39:29.020 mean, these are citizens in the Beltline now at this point. They don't have much impact on

00:39:33.960 government policy. I know it's not exactly going to impact government much if you're in City Hall

00:39:37.440 steps or the Harry Hayes building either, but at least you'll be able to continue to express

00:39:41.620 if you're going out there. Remember, the government's always looking for an excuse to crack down,

00:39:46.360 always. And if they get a conflict, as I said, Chief Neufeld is already changing the language.

00:39:54.340 He's calling them now, calling you. I know a lot of these people on here are the protesters who go

00:39:58.920 out, the demonstrators. And I've been there and I've reported repeatedly, it's peaceful, it's

00:40:02.260 fantastic. But now they're calling it the anti-democracy protesters. They're trying to

00:40:07.460 cut public support away from the protesters. And if there is a conflict between the protesters and

00:40:13.740 the police or the protesters and the counter-protesters, if property starts getting

00:40:17.220 damaged, if people start getting hurt, the government is going to come in like a freight

00:40:21.520 train. I'm telling you right now. And sometimes it's better to show a little compromise, move to

00:40:27.140 a new location. That's all I'm saying. You're not gonna, I don't understand that. That's why I'm

00:40:31.280 going down there this Saturday and I'll watch. But I hope there's a vent for the pressure, guys.

00:40:37.760 I mean, protests are important, but you can overreach and you can overstep. And then it

00:40:43.080 can provoke those people who don't want you to have that right to protest, to have an excuse

00:40:46.240 to step in on it. So I'm really worried about that. That's part of why I'm talking about it.

00:40:50.080 It's not like I'm saying I have a problem with the protests, but I think it's evolved to a point

00:40:54.020 where they got to consider going somewhere else for these rallies because it's going to come to

00:40:59.600 perhaps a very bad ending. And I don't want to see that. Let's look at some of these things.

00:41:05.980 Speaking of money and your freedoms and the big government, this is an interesting story. Banks

00:41:12.040 are eligible for taxpayers' subsidies under a Freedom Convoy compensation fund for small

00:41:17.140 business. Oh, yeah. So they've made a little fund for small businesses, you know, that they said

00:41:21.740 were harmed by the Freedom Convoy. Some of the businesses were shut down in Ottawa. I don't know

00:41:26.220 if they needed to or not, but they were. It did cost the money. The government's going to shore

00:41:29.800 that up. Fine. Now the banks qualify for it too. Oh, yes, here we go. Our banks, with all that

00:41:34.560 money they're making, our banks that went right out there under government guidance and seized

00:41:39.860 people's bank accounts, seize their money, seize their property. Well, the banks are actually

00:41:44.860 going to get bailed out for their efforts in it. Isn't that cool? This is your tax dollars at work.

00:41:50.540 Again, this is why I'm talking about getting your money separate from the old ways. We can't trust

00:41:55.000 them. Look at that. So there was a $20 million downtown Ottawa business relief program and

00:42:00.320 they opened applications. And the treasury board in a statement said the program will pay

00:42:05.760 $10,000 in federal compensation for specific types of losses. Well, the banks qualify for it. So

00:42:12.480 they're actually going to get some extra bucks due to the Freedom Convoys. Good work, guys.

00:42:19.400 Again, this is where our tax dollars go. Speaking of which, as Dave mentioned to

00:42:24.000 the mother corp, the CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation,

00:42:29.160 Pravda. And they're breaking new records. They've set a new record. They've been ordered to pay more

00:42:34.560 and a quarter million dollars in legal costs in what's now the costliest defamation case in

00:42:40.320 Manitoba history. That judge, you know, noted over and over that the Crown broadcaster failed

00:42:45.840 in its duty, and I'll say the state broadcaster. They always chafe when I say that, but it's the

00:42:49.680 truth. Failed in his duty to be fair, balanced, and responsible, which is hardly new. You know,

00:42:55.580 the problem is they went after somebody who pushed back this time. They took their reprehensible

00:43:00.160 crap coverage, and they attacked somebody, and that guy didn't take it. And now they are paying 0.99

00:43:07.680 the bill. But the unfortunate thing is it's a mixed victory. So in the end, I mean, it's a $295,000

00:43:13.060 legal bill that the network has to pay, but they got to pay $1.66 million in damages awarded

00:43:19.960 earlier. And of course, that comes out of our pocket in the end because they are a tax-funded

00:43:24.800 institutions. So we get to foot that bill in the long run. And man, like this is an institution

00:43:31.540 that should know better. Look at the amount of money they get one and a half billion dollars a

00:43:35.000 year. You know, plus you, and I call it theft, you steal advertising from the private market.

00:43:40.520 Because if you're a company that's already getting one and a half billion dollars a year,

00:43:43.660 you can undercut private broadcasters by putting out advertising space, you know, at a fraction of

00:43:49.800 the cost. Even if it's a comparable cost, it doesn't matter. You shouldn't be doing any bloody

00:43:54.100 advertising at all if you're getting that many tax dollars in the first place. And it takes those

00:43:58.940 out of the market for the other private broadcasters, which I think the government

00:44:01.820 likes anyways. They want the private broadcasters to be reliant on government money, just like the

00:44:06.240 CBC. That's why they're always bailing them out. That's why they're always coming up with those

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00:46:43.520 So what else are we going to get here before we get to Mr. Polyev? Yeah, I'll expand a little more

00:46:49.280 on that case, I guess, with the CBC. There's some of our slow courts, unfortunately. So CBC, when

00:46:54.780 they managed to get into the soup, that was actually from 2012 with stories they did on an

00:46:59.520 investment advisor and he had won an award for the wealth management practice of the year. And

00:47:07.840 they started a whole thing with a picture of this gentleman with the headline saying,

00:47:11.840 is your money safe? Our top story tonight has to do with your hard-earned savings.

00:47:17.200 Can you imagine as an investment advisor having a headline like that come out? Of course that's

00:47:24.160 damaging. That's hugely damaging. Investment advisors, it's all about trust. It's important

00:47:28.480 because there have been some unfortunate, unscrupulous criminal investment advisors out

00:47:32.980 there. Yeah, we know about Madoff and some of the other things. But I mean, there's most of them

00:47:36.640 are honest. And when you get something like that happen from the state broadcaster, you're damn 0.99

00:47:40.400 right it hurt that guy. It's too bad it took 10 years to get it settled. That's another thing we

00:47:44.800 got to finish in that, you know, fixing this country is our ever agonizingly slow justice

00:47:51.560 system. It's painful. And it's, you know, the process is the punishment. That's the thing with

00:47:56.100 taking 10 years in this suit. I think, again, a lot of the government lines up. They just want

00:47:59.600 to tire these guys out and make them give up rather than stand up for themselves. But he pushed,

00:48:03.400 he stuck with it, and he got almost $2 million out of the CBC. But I mean, I'm certain he would

00:48:08.860 rather have just been left alone in the first place so he could carry on his business. But the

00:48:14.300 state broadcaster, unfortunately, didn't want to let him do that. Another news item that popped

00:48:20.440 up yesterday. Again, the political machinations going on in Alberta in the nomination races. Tim

00:48:27.000 Hoven, who was running for the nomination in Rocky Mountain House, just west of Red Deer,

00:48:31.600 where that leadership review is going to have. And he sold apparently well over a thousand

00:48:34.840 memberships. He got disqualified on very shaky grounds. He did appeal it. And unsurprisingly,

00:48:41.660 the United Conservative Party has completely rejected his appeal. And the UCP executive

00:48:48.860 director wrote, the rejection of your application is now final and binding. So, so much for that for

00:48:56.540 Mr. Hoven that's finished. I spoke to Jody Gateman the other day too, you know, and she unfortunately

00:49:01.800 had her character terribly assassinated by none other than the Premier and some others, again,

00:49:08.980 over just the weakest of links on social media. Whereas Jody was apparently qualified and

00:49:15.120 respectable enough to be able to sit on the board. She, you know, was elected as a counselor down 0.99

00:49:18.960 south, but now suddenly when running for a UCP nomination against an incumbent, suddenly we find

00:49:23.920 these old social media things which weren't even all that bad and say, no, we can't have you. Come

00:49:29.000 on, guys. We can see through that. The weeks are counting down. We're only a few weeks away from

00:49:34.580 that Red Deer event, and I tell you, we're going to see a lot more stuff rising and bubbling as

00:49:39.300 the establishment gets desperate. Of course, I do always love watching an establishment get

00:49:45.020 desperate they need to be. They need to be scared sometimes. Though a lot of people worry about the

00:49:49.720 disorder that's coming throughout the party in itself. You know, we're talking about now there's

00:49:55.000 challenges to Paul Heyman's leadership on a smaller level, it sounds like, on the Wildrose

00:49:59.720 Independence Party. It's coming from his own president. Conservatives, we do love to eat our

00:50:04.580 own. That's one of the areas where we have always had a hard time moving forward and getting things

00:50:10.140 done is we are infighting. We're on each other's necks. I think part of it's just our nature as

00:50:15.260 well, though. I mean, if you're a lefty, you're naturally a follower. You know, you will do as

00:50:20.620 you're told. And conservatives are all individuals. They're, you know, individualists, and they want

00:50:26.460 to be left alone. But that makes them a lot harder to lead. That makes central leadership more

00:50:30.380 difficult to keep going. The reason you don't see eruptions in Rachel Notley's party from within

00:50:35.360 right now, and you can bet there's ambitious people who want to move up in there, is because

00:50:39.000 it's a party full of followers, not leaders. So they won't push on her back. And she gets away

00:50:44.400 with that because you've got to be, some of them have got to be getting tired. Same with Jagmeet

00:50:47.060 Singh. The farther left they go, the more entrenched they are with believing they should

00:50:50.960 just be controlled by a singular individual or dictator. So let's get on to federal leadership

00:50:58.040 really quickly here then with somebody who's running. And he is the one who's kind of shaking

00:51:01.700 the establishment a bit. And that's Pierre Polyev. He's from Ontario. Most of us already know him.

00:51:07.620 He's been a member of parliament for a number of years out there in Carleton.

00:51:11.480 And he is the, at this point, I think we can safely say the front runner

00:51:15.240 for the Conservative Party of Canada, leadership.

00:51:18.120 So there's a lot of contenders all starting to line up and that can change.

00:51:21.180 It doesn't go until September 10th.

00:51:23.680 But this is the first of what sounds like there's going to be a few interviews

00:51:25.980 with leadership candidates and Mr. Poliev as well.

00:51:29.500 And yeah, tune in and let's see what he's got to say.

00:51:33.480 Well, thank you very much for joining us today, Mr. Poliev.

00:51:36.860 It's been a pretty lively campaign for you so far, I imagine, and we appreciate you speaking to our viewers out here in the West.

00:51:45.440 Good to be with you. Thanks for having me on the show.

00:51:48.360 So I'll get ready to it. You know, one of the themes I see in general right now from a lot of people when it comes to government or the party as well and things like that is trust.

00:51:59.520 People don't feel very trusting of government and politicians.

00:52:02.680 I mean, that's sort of always kind of been happening.

00:52:05.020 But in these tumultuous times, we've had a lot of that.

00:52:07.640 And I did ask some of our viewers to send questions.

00:52:09.880 And one from Dale Grabb was about accountability.

00:52:13.120 Like with the last leadership, we don't need to go into so much that.

00:52:16.180 But the candidate sort of proposed a lot of things one way and then didn't follow through later on, which I think kind of led to the change in leadership.

00:52:24.420 But what sort of measures could we put in to ensure accountability in matters of transparency or even potential recall?

00:52:30.340 are you talking about within the government itself or within the conservative party apparatus

00:52:37.120 there are two levels yeah i packed a lot into that i'm afraid um well in the leadership and

00:52:41.880 so on your accountability would be to the members and you're running kind of for two positions right

00:52:46.000 now so there's mechanisms within the party and we saw those exercised recently but i i would like to

00:52:52.560 talk about the potential uh pierre poly of prime minister what kind of measures could we bring in

00:52:57.700 then to feel that you would be following through on your word on the way up and following after

00:53:02.520 that, I guess. Well, I was the parliamentary secretary in the Harper government that ushered

00:53:07.560 the Accountability Act through Canada's parliament. That was the toughest anti-corruption law in

00:53:12.820 Canadian history, still is. In fact, the scandals that have ensnared Trudeau are all the result of

00:53:17.960 breaking that law. It expanded access to information, separated the prosecution arm from the political

00:53:24.640 arm of government. It banned politicians from taking gifts from people with whom they have

00:53:33.680 government business, something the Prime Minister Resolto found guilty of doing. And later on in

00:53:39.000 this campaign, I will be announcing new measures to get tough on corruption and expand accountability

00:53:45.700 to empower citizens to hold bureaucrats and politicians accountable when they may waste

00:53:52.220 money or defraud the public treasury. So I believe the government is a servant and the citizen

00:54:01.480 master. And that is what I will enact when I'm prime minister.

00:54:08.420 Okay. So when it comes to that transparency, I've noticed like Blacklock's reporter has been very

00:54:13.180 effective actually in some of those committee hearings and things like that. But sometimes

00:54:17.320 they still hit a wall of redacted stuff or the old, you know, toss a giant bill for an information

00:54:22.860 inquiry. So would there be an intention to make it a little easier to get in and check on our,

00:54:28.020 what is our government? Yes, absolutely. I want to give more power for access to information

00:54:34.400 and more proactive disclosure of government decisions and expenditures so that people

00:54:40.260 know where their money is going and can trace every penny. There's no reason why with the

00:54:46.480 modern technology, we can't have easily traceable government spending so that we can follow not just

00:54:53.620 the dollar, but right down to the penny, what is spent and where it went. And that's the kind of

00:55:00.140 transparency that I will enact as prime minister. Great. And then maybe I'll move a bit back towards

00:55:05.460 the partisan end of things. A problem we have as conservatives in general, and as we've seen a lot

00:55:10.620 of conservative leaders lately, it seems haven't resigned from their positions, you know, choosing

00:55:15.960 to retire. They've been pulled down by upset party members. And we're certainly in the midst

00:55:20.220 of quite a bit of turmoil in Alberta with our provincial leadership right now. So this leadership

00:55:26.040 race has already gotten off, you know, to a heated start. And that's fine to be lively, I guess. But

00:55:30.580 we do also worry that it might turn into something that could be fracturous. So how can you maintain

00:55:34.320 this race while differentiating yourself from other candidates, but not letting it get too

00:55:38.540 divisive? Well, everything my campaign has said about the other candidates is just factual and

00:55:44.820 the public record patrick brown supports a carbon tax he supports actually endorsed justin trudeau's

00:55:50.260 version of the carbon tax and said he would impose it ontario in ontario it is a public

00:55:55.540 fact that brown like trudeau has been twice convicted of breaking the ethics law in his

00:56:01.860 case the ontario ethics law and he's already attacking stephen harper something trudeau does

00:56:07.380 as well so i just disagree with him and that approach jean chariot was a liberal premier who

00:56:11.860 raised taxes, brought in a carbon tax, a taxed Stephen Harper, and endorsed a long gun registry.

00:56:19.700 So I disagree with those policies. And I think it's better to have those disagreements out in

00:56:23.200 the open rather than have these two who are in a coalition together sneak into the leadership

00:56:29.100 by hiding what they really believe and then thrusting a big surprise on party members after

00:56:34.740 the fact. Your second part of your question was how do we unite? Simple. We unite around

00:56:39.900 one core principle, freedom. All conservatives can endorse that principle. Social conservatives

00:56:45.260 want religious freedom and freedom to preach without censorship. Progressive conservatives

00:56:50.760 want the freedom for women, gays, minorities, and others to live their lives in equality and

00:56:59.160 without government interference. Fiscal conservatives want economic freedom to control

00:57:04.500 their own money, start businesses without government blocking them. Libertarians want

00:57:09.680 freedom online, freedom to own cryptographic assets and to express themselves. Rural and

00:57:17.580 firearms conservatives want the freedom to own their property lawfully and without undue

00:57:24.280 confiscation. So these freedoms bind all different conservatives back together. And so I will unite

00:57:32.780 conservatives around freedom. And that's how I will bring together the country to become Prime

00:57:38.360 Minister. Okay, so we've seen a time when our in exceptional circumstances, our civil liberties

00:57:44.720 have been challenged more than we've seen in our lifetimes, whether it was through pandemic

00:57:49.220 legislations, you know, ostensibly to control the pandemic, fair enough. And then with the short

00:57:54.820 invocation of the Emergencies Act, how can we be assured, though, that I mean, I understand the

00:58:00.400 reason for an emergency is sometimes you just get something that's beyond the pale. We want to make

00:58:04.460 sure it's absolutely the very possible last resort for a government to go to. And people's confidence

00:58:09.840 I think has been a bit shaken. It has indeed. Trudeau is on a pandemic power trip. He caused

00:58:16.780 this emergency by targeting truckers with a ridiculous new mandate that they had worked

00:58:25.040 safely without for two prior years, even though they are the very people least likely to spread

00:58:30.800 any kind of virus because they're all alone in a truck all day and all night sleeping and driving.

00:58:36.080 And he did it at a time when the rest of the world is lifting mandates and restrictions. So

00:58:39.760 he deliberately provoked that crisis. And then he used the crisis he provoked to invoke more,

00:58:46.640 to give himself yet more powers. I've been calling out Trudeau's pandemic power trip for two years,

00:58:51.920 Since March of 2020, I was probably the leading voice against his attempt to give himself the power to raise any tax to any level for any reason without parliamentary approval back when the pandemic first started.

00:59:05.960 I fought against his abuse of tax money in the We Scandal, and I fought against his attempt to regulate Internet speech and helped Rachel Thomas from Lethbridge stop that bill in its tracks before the last election.

00:59:21.980 So I've been fighting for freedom against Trudeau's pandemic power trip since the COVID crisis began.

00:59:31.100 And I continue to do that as now the leading voice to end all mandates and restrictions so Canadians can take back control of their lives.

00:59:40.580 So getting to that freedom and an important part of transparency, I mean, independent media like ours has been on the rise and it's been turning into an alternative.

00:59:48.420 You've already committed to defunding the CBC, which is appreciated, but we worry.

00:59:52.220 We're worried a lot.

00:59:52.980 We've got a bill C-11, I believe, that's coming forward now.

00:59:55.680 There seems to be quite a move on to strangle the growth and development of alternative media sources out there.

01:00:01.220 Would you act to protect those?

01:00:03.440 Yes. 1.00

01:00:04.020 I led the charge against C-10, which was the forerunner to what is now C-11.

01:00:09.360 I should give more credit to Rachel Thomas because she was the one who pushed.

01:00:14.320 She was the critic. I worked with her to stop that horrible bill. And it's a it's really unfortunate that the government backed media and the corporate media want this bill to go ahead because it will further entrench their oligopoly on speech. 0.97

01:00:32.560 They are acting as gatekeepers. They want to keep out the competition so that they can control what's reported and basically guarantee that it's government talking points that Canadians hear without an alternative voice is getting a hearing.

01:00:49.700 That's why the media in the press gallery is so hard on me, because I'm fighting against their gatekeeping and in favor of freedom of expression and freedom of competition in the media.

01:01:02.460 So, yes, I will repeal C-11 and I will repeal other bills if they pass that Trudeau is proposing to curtail what you see and say online.

01:01:10.860 Well, that's comforting to know. I mean, it's so important that we have these means to communicate.

01:01:14.780 I mean, I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there, but we can leave it to citizens to determine what's...

01:01:19.500 Well, frankly, there's a lot of misinformation in the corporate and government media as well.

01:01:24.680 Absolutely.

01:01:25.320 There's a tremendous amount of disinformation that the press gallery publishes.

01:01:31.520 And so we want to get rid of disinformation.

01:01:34.280 Let's start with ending that.

01:01:37.080 Great.

01:01:37.400 So, I mean, we're coming from the West, of course, we're the Western Standard.

01:01:40.200 that we got a lot of Central Canadian listeners, but regional challenges in equity have long been

01:01:44.680 an issue for us out here, of course. And I'm of the old bent of the Reform Party way back when,

01:01:50.740 and Senate reform was a very large issue for us. I mean, the Senate right now is supposed to

01:01:55.960 address regional inequity, but realistically, it's terribly imbalanced. Would you consider

01:02:02.100 looking into reforming the Senate? I mean, seriously reforming it, not just perhaps tweaking

01:02:07.160 it here and there? Well, the truth is I don't think it will happen. I'm just being blunt with

01:02:13.180 you. I don't want to be one of those politicians that comes on air and tells you a bunch of stuff

01:02:17.120 just to get your vote and then goes back on it. The Supreme Court ruled that abolishing the Senate

01:02:23.000 requires 10 of 10 provinces. Even reforming it would require seven provinces representing 50%

01:02:29.700 of the population. We'd have to open the Constitution, which would begin a whole new

01:02:33.720 can of worms about every other grievance that people have with the constitutional structure

01:02:38.900 of the nation. And I don't think we would get to a consensus. I don't like the fact that our

01:02:43.780 Senate is unelected. I fought for an elected Senate. In fact, when I was a teenager, I worked

01:02:48.420 on the Senate election campaign of Ted Morton when the Alberta government was promoting Senate

01:02:54.840 elections. And I helped him as a volunteer at McMahon Stadium in Calgary collecting signatures

01:03:01.520 for him to run. So that's how far back my arguments for Senate democratization goes.

01:03:08.540 What I would support is appointing the winners of elections that provincial governments hold

01:03:15.060 in their provinces. So I would appoint the candidates that Albertans elect in their

01:03:20.780 locally held vote. If any other province held similar elections, I would appoint the winner

01:03:26.240 in those cases as well. So that's something doable, doesn't require a constitutional change.

01:03:31.520 And I want to promise only things I can actually do.

01:03:34.440 Good. That was the next question I was going to ask if you would commit to appointing the ones we elect, because we do have some senators elect right now.

01:03:40.380 Yes, they should be appointed. They should be appointed. Sorry, the elected ones should get an appointment.

01:03:46.860 Yes, it's the best we can do without reforming the entire system. I know constitutional change is very difficult.

01:03:52.460 I'll get to some familiar territory. Inflation, of course, is going wild. It's running rampant.

01:03:57.260 there's a number of factors i mean government spending is a huge part of it and borrowing

01:04:01.420 the energy costs as well so in addressing inflation though i mean how can we get that

01:04:05.900 under control reasonably well three things i let's start with what i call just in inflation

01:04:13.100 when trudeau started printing money to finance the half

01:04:20.700 has had in the last uh two years i predicted we have inflation why because throughout thousands

01:04:25.660 of years of history, dictators, emperors, prime ministers, presidents, print money to pay their

01:04:30.160 bills, create coins out of cheap copper, as they used to do, to pay for their opulent spending,

01:04:36.420 they end up causing inflation. Why? Because more dollars chase fewer goods, which leads to higher

01:04:41.740 prices. It's not rocket science. So I said this would happen. Now, so the first, that's what I

01:04:48.840 call just inflation. So how would I stop that? Well, I'll phase out the deficit, cancel the

01:04:53.720 $100 billion slush fund of spending. Trudeau is promising defund the CBC, cancel the infrastructure

01:04:59.580 bank, which is a colossal boondoggle, and also root out other waste and mismanagement to get

01:05:04.960 rid of our deficits. So there is no need for money printing. Secondly, I would ax the carbon tax.

01:05:12.120 John Sture, Patrick Brown passionately support the carbon tax. They want higher gas prices as

01:05:17.420 a stated policy objective. And of course, the Bank of Canada governor admitted this week that

01:05:22.680 the carbon tax is adding to inflation. I would ask that tax to bring inflation down. The third

01:05:27.900 thing is instead of creating cash, my free enterprise economy will create more of what

01:05:33.880 cash buys. I'll remove the regulatory gatekeepers to produce more Canadian energy, to

01:05:42.060 reduce taxes and regulation on our farmers so they can produce more affordable food.

01:05:48.880 And I'll incentivize municipalities and sell off as well as selling off 15 percent of federal buildings to turn into more housing, to get the regulatory gatekeepers who block housing construction out of the way and increase the supply by millions of housing units so that there's more housing to have.

01:06:10.140 So in other words, stop printing cash and start creating more of what cash buys.

01:06:16.180 That's my common sense solution to just inflation.

01:06:22.020 Would deregulating some of the agricultural controls that do lead to inflation involve supply management?

01:06:27.840 I mean, that's been proven to raise the cost of a lot of consumer staples with dairy goods and poultry products and such.

01:06:34.080 And it was a large part of the past conservative leadership discussions.

01:06:38.280 I'm not proposing a change in that area and the reason is that the farmers who own the quota

01:06:45.000 have had to pay millions of dollars for it and furthermore if we bought them out then it would

01:06:51.540 cost more to do that than it would to keep the system that is in place right now. Overall I do

01:06:58.520 support more choice and freedom in the agricultural sector that's why I was a part of the Harper

01:07:03.600 government that got rid of the wheat board and unleashed the productivity of our grains in our

01:07:10.960 western prairie provinces. And I'll also be reducing other taxes and simplifying regulations

01:07:20.000 so that our farmers and ranchers can spend more time producing nutritious food and less time

01:07:26.460 filling out paperwork and being hounded by government bureaucrats. Great. So in your

01:07:31.420 campaign. Do you plan on coming out West Alberta pretty soon? I do. I should point out I was already

01:07:36.940 in Saskatchewan, the province of my parents' birth. My folks are from Saskatoon and Leoville

01:07:43.840 in Saskatchewan. So I visited there. And of course, I'm from Calgary, as you know. I'm born and raised

01:07:48.700 there. My folks still live there. So I'm going to be back to visit them and connect with my many

01:07:55.200 western family and friends uh in the great province of alberta and i'll make sure you you

01:08:01.760 know about it uh when that when i have a date nailed down great thanks well i hope we'll get

01:08:06.240 the opportunity to talk when you do come out here is there anything else you'd add before uh

01:08:10.080 i let you go well whenever i someone comes to my office for a job i always ask them

01:08:16.400 why do you want the job so i have to answer that question myself i want to be prime minister to put

01:08:21.200 you and every Canadian back in control of their own lives by making Canada the freest nation on

01:08:29.980 earth. That's my purpose. That's what I've always believed. And that's why I'm in this.

01:08:34.740 Well, thank you very much for joining me today, Mr. Polyebb. And we'll be

01:08:37.860 watching your campaign with interest. Thank you for having me.

01:08:41.540 All right, so I know there was a lot more questions for Mr. Polyev.

01:08:51.540 I'm afraid I only had him for 15 minutes there.

01:08:53.540 We squeezed in what we could.

01:08:55.540 He doesn't drag out the answers as long as I remember before talking to Premier Kenny,

01:08:59.540 actually in a half hour interview with him, I only managed to get through four.

01:09:02.540 But on the bright side, it sounds like we should be able to talk to Mr. Polyev

01:09:07.540 at least two or three more times before the leadership race comes.

01:09:11.540 in september 10th and and i do want to cover everything so we're reaching out to other

01:09:14.980 leadership candidates and uh we want to get them on the show we want to talk we want to keep this

01:09:20.020 discourse and debate going as we lead up to it and uh that was uh peer poly of helping kick things

01:09:26.740 off with it and myself you know just the i mean i'm an opinion person i've got my views and

01:09:31.540 opinions absolutely but at the same time i don't have a political membership anymore i haven't for

01:09:35.540 a couple of years now though i did for most of the rest of my other parts of my life i'm not

01:09:39.940 not going to be voting in this race. There'll certainly be people I prefer over others, and I

01:09:44.540 certainly like Mr. Polyam, but I'm going to try and maintain, you know, balance as well as I can

01:09:49.640 to a degree and hear from everybody on it, because that's important. I noticed a couple of things in

01:09:53.920 the comments, though, and there's a couple of things I want to be fair with Mr. Polyam about,

01:09:58.240 and that's, for one, we talked about that before with the World Economic Forum thing that was very

01:10:02.540 directly addressed by Andrew Lawton. It's the reason I wasn't going to go into it. You can look

01:10:06.340 it up. He's with True North. He's great. Pierre sat down with him the other day. Maybe you don't

01:10:12.660 believe him or maybe you will, but Mr. Polly hasn't made it clear yet. He's never been to Davos. He has

01:10:16.060 nothing to do with the World Economic Forum whatsoever and doesn't support any of the goals

01:10:20.760 that they have. It has been addressed anyways. The other thing is that net worth thing that

01:10:26.540 keeps coming up. People say he's worth $8 million. He's worth $9 million. I have no idea what he's

01:10:32.240 worth. But I'm afraid aside from him and his own accountant, nobody really does. The thing about

01:10:37.440 Mr. Polyev's net worth is from one of those online sites for celebrities and people of profile. So

01:10:45.020 there's actually one of mine out there apparently. And there it is. There's my net worth on this

01:10:49.840 celebrity wiki or whatever else. It has me on there. They got my birth year right and a number

01:10:55.160 of other things about me on that site. But they also said I'm worth one to five million dollars.

01:11:00.780 Guys, I hate to say it, but I'm not worth $1 to $5 million.

01:11:04.520 I wish I was.

01:11:05.400 And hey, compensation here at The Standard is good and it's fair,

01:11:09.040 but I assure you it's not bringing us up to quite those net worth levels.

01:11:13.140 We're going to have to sell a heck of a lot more subscriptions

01:11:15.260 before I can convince Derek of such a raise.

01:11:17.840 But it does show if you're getting your information on some people

01:11:20.900 from sites like that, guys, they're completely inaccurate.

01:11:24.500 They aren't true.

01:11:25.780 Mr. Poliev might be worth $9 million.

01:11:27.700 He might be worth $100 million.

01:11:28.680 he might be worth $100. I don't know, but don't rely on those sites. It's inaccurate.

01:11:33.460 And if you're going to oppose them, fair enough, but let's do it on the policies, not

01:11:36.740 some of the online rumor mill, unfortunately, that's out there. So now let's see. One of the

01:11:44.780 questions that didn't get covered, unfortunately, and time ran out, was his vote on the

01:11:49.740 Quebec extra seat, protecting their seat over there in Quebec. And yeah, he abstained. He

01:11:57.740 didn't vote for or against. It's unfortunate. Personally, I'd rather he had taken a strong

01:12:03.200 stand because it was a very anti-democratic motion on the part, of course, of the Bloc

01:12:08.100 Quebec law and the rest of many conservatives voting for it and the Liberals and NDP, of

01:12:13.220 course, doing so in the Bloc. But, well, when you're running federally, they always have

01:12:18.560 to tiptoe around Quebec, whether that's a good idea or not. I'm certain a lot of the

01:12:23.320 Western viewers do not agree. So all the same, Pierre, yeah, I'd rather he voted in that sense

01:12:31.800 on that. Likewise with the supply management, you know, that's what I asked and somebody else

01:12:35.660 expressed, I was disappointed with that. That was, for those who remember, a very big issue in the

01:12:40.740 conservative leadership back with Andrew Scheer when he ran against Maxime Bernier. And the dairy

01:12:47.360 lobby, I mean, is incredibly strong in Canada with that wretched, wretched supply management policy.

01:12:52.160 and they basically, I mean, it was a 1% difference. That's why the party got so badly

01:12:57.080 split between Bernier and Scheer because Scheer catered to the supply management, the dairy

01:13:01.380 cartels, and Bernier wouldn't, and that gave him that edge to get out and win that race.

01:13:07.180 For those unfamiliar with it, supply management, it's an old policy. I call it a Soviet style 0.63

01:13:12.240 policy, and it really is one. Sorry, I just decided before the question goes out of the 0.82

01:13:17.480 scroll, Cheryl was saying his stance on lifting travel mandates. I didn't ask him that, but I

01:13:21.760 believe he's already said that he wants them all lifted. I'm pretty sure if you look that up,

01:13:24.920 he's already said that. Either way, supply management is, I like using the analogy,

01:13:31.880 I've talked about it on the show before, my wife Jane grew up on a dairy farm in Rockyford. Her

01:13:36.460 father, like this thing controls everything you can produce, how much you can sell and what you

01:13:40.160 can sell. It's illegal if you sell some agricultural products without a government quota.

01:13:44.940 So he had some dairy cows, just a small operation, but he only had a quota for cream. So they milk

01:13:49.740 the cows, you get the cream, you send it off, you sell it, you make a few bucks for the household,

01:13:53.460 you feed the family as much milk as you can, and the rest gets poured into a ditch. Some places

01:13:57.600 where they had pigs, they feed the pigs with it. But it was illegal to sell anything you didn't

01:14:02.880 have a quota for. Illegal. That's ridiculous. Chickens, you know, I own any of those things at

01:14:07.060 home just as a hobby. But, you know, it's illegal to own more than 300 chickens if you don't have a

01:14:12.900 quota. The government fully controls the price. And, you know, they've talked about that policy

01:14:18.960 as well and proponents of it. They say, oh, it protects the small farm. Oh, that's a load of

01:14:22.680 crap. The stats are out there. There was actually a former liberal, and her name's escaping me right 0.99

01:14:30.660 now, a federal liberal. She did some great work on supply management and breaking it down. And if 0.97

01:14:34.760 you look at the history, they say it protects the small family farm. It's been the complete opposite.

01:14:38.420 There's no such thing as small little dairy operations anymore. They're monstrous ones.

01:14:43.180 And they are big operations. And guess what? Most of them are in Quebec. That's why nobody

01:14:48.920 wants to touch those things, of course. Again, it comes down to that being terrified of Quebec

01:14:53.520 voters and they don't want to stir them up. Mr. Polyev was right when he talked about it with,

01:14:59.400 you can't just shut it down. You're going to open yourself. I know our government's not afraid of

01:15:02.740 shutting down people's livelihoods on a whim, but theoretically, if we had a more principled

01:15:07.020 government, those quotas, technically what they turn into is assets. I mean, they're worth something.

01:15:11.820 A lot of these farmers actually had to spend a whole pile of money to buy those quotas

01:15:15.100 and get a return on them, and if you suddenly just cut them out, you're going to open yourself

01:15:20.660 to a bunch of lawsuits, and you're going to do a lot of damage to the market. But we can't pretend

01:15:25.180 this hasn't been done before. New Zealand and Australia had the same supply management policies

01:15:30.440 as Canada does right now. They got rid of them long ago, and they did have to spend money.

01:15:36.100 They had to spend a lot to buy out those quotas and compensate those farmers as they shifted the

01:15:40.020 system. But I don't agree with Mr. Polyev when he said it would cost more, perhaps in the short

01:15:44.220 term. But in the long run, no, their industries are doing much, much better. They're exporting a

01:15:48.620 lot more product. Supply management has also harmed us a lot. Maybe even in the future interview,

01:15:53.580 I'd like to talk more with Mr. Paulyab about that. I'll talk to other candidates about it.

01:15:57.500 It really hurts us a lot with our exports. It's one of the biggest sticking points we have when

01:16:04.060 we talk about trade between the United States and Canada. And they point out that we're subsidizing

01:16:10.860 the heck out of our milk and so on the americans subsidize it too but it's more direct subsidies

01:16:14.300 it's a it's a self-defeating battle you know it's a race to the bottom when you get in subsidy wars

01:16:19.580 with each other but of course you see when you're fighting over something else whether it's uh

01:16:23.900 aluminum imports or software lumber or anything else then you can start bringing up some of those

01:16:27.180 other uh thorns in your side and problems such as the supply management and it just on

01:16:33.180 it compel or brings up about bigger fights going on when supply management's removed

01:16:39.960 such as in New Zealand and Australia the dairy producers expand and they get more creative not

01:16:45.760 only do consumers get a better price there's the other thing it's been shown everybody's paying

01:16:49.200 hundreds and hundreds of dollars a year extra for your dairy your chicken turkey all of those

01:16:53.940 things that are supply managed you're you pay a premium in Canada anybody's going to the states

01:16:58.560 you see dairy products are way cheaper than here why is that because of our supply management

01:17:03.000 program. In New Zealand and that, yeah, suddenly these farmers had to compete. Suddenly these

01:17:07.900 producers have to compete. So what did they do? They got better at it. They opened up new export

01:17:12.580 markets. They've, you know, cheeses, things that keep, that can export better. And dairy products

01:17:17.480 can export actually a fair amount nowadays, these days. I mean, a little bit of the reason the old

01:17:22.020 supply management, the policies, those came out when refrigeration wasn't that good. When you

01:17:26.200 couldn't, when you had to have local dairy producers, chicken producers, in order to keep

01:17:29.660 those supplies local and safe. I mean, there were worries about supply running out in times of

01:17:35.060 crisis and things like that, but the time is long gone. We don't need that. You can have producers

01:17:40.200 ship their products a long ways and they have it perfectly safe and consumable by consumers.

01:17:44.440 So it's unfortunate though, with that strong, strong dairy lobby, it doesn't seem to matter

01:17:48.060 how conservative a politician is. They are terrified of taking on the dairy cartels in

01:17:52.920 Quebec with supply management, but I'm going to be sure to keep hitting all the other candidates

01:17:56.680 as we get them on that question.

01:17:58.380 I fear I'm not going to get

01:17:59.580 much different answers out of them.

01:18:02.700 And yeah, it was a Bobby Podiak

01:18:04.820 saying chicken and dairy in Australia

01:18:06.460 is way lower than here. 0.96

01:18:07.260 And she lived there for three and a half years. 1.00

01:18:09.540 That'd be the only thing's cheaper 0.92

01:18:10.620 in Australia than here.

01:18:11.480 But I mean, I could believe it

01:18:12.340 if you got rid of the supply management.

01:18:13.860 I mean, I remember the beer down there.

01:18:15.220 You know, the last time I was there,

01:18:16.340 I still was drinking and restaurants and food.

01:18:19.300 And there wasn't much cheap in Australia.

01:18:20.880 Renting a car, man, it almost bankrupt you.

01:18:23.280 But yeah, the dairy and so on,

01:18:24.620 they get rid of the supply management.

01:18:25.540 the consumers win. So either way, we'll move on beyond Mr. Poliev's interview there and cover a

01:18:32.740 little more stuff here. Let's see. Oh, yeah. So again, getting back to City Hall, let's come back

01:18:39.100 to that, that Freedom Rally. It was just such a hornet's nest yesterday. And as I said, I'm going

01:18:43.540 to have a councillor coming on, Dan McLean, to talk about that on Friday. He was one of the only

01:18:49.700 ones voting against the city members on getting them to try and pressure the police to intervene

01:18:54.900 there. And the council only wants to hear the perspective of Beltline residents and not the

01:19:01.020 protesters, some councillors made clear in a special meeting. And a councillor, Jennifer

01:19:04.820 Winas, and she's one of the union-supported councillors, very left of center, but she wanted

01:19:11.400 to hold a public hearing on the demonstration. She wanted to do something that Trudeau refused

01:19:14.820 to do in the protests. De-escalate. Listen. You don't have to agree with them. Just listen.

01:19:21.320 and she got shot down. She got eviscerated. It turned into a horrible fight in council.

01:19:27.520 Jerks like Karan, he is a jerk, was basically, we're not making room to hear from hatred and 1.00

01:19:33.440 racists. Guys, again, I'm sick of that narrative. You don't have to agree with the protests. It's 1.00

01:19:39.820 fair enough. You don't have to agree with it, even their cause when it comes to the health

01:19:44.220 mandates and things like that. But quit spreading that baloney that it's race-based. It has nothing

01:19:50.060 to do with race. Nothing. Nothing. It's a cheap, shallow, political tactic. Try and shut something

01:19:56.140 down you don't like. And they did that in council. And, you know, we saw some reason out of Jennifer

01:20:01.720 Winas, Councillor Winas, to try and at least say, let's talk to them and listen to them before we 0.64

01:20:07.540 start moving in on action. What a crazy concept, eh? Respecting them, just respecting them as

01:20:14.060 citizens and having that ability to protest. Well, that was shot right down. She pulled her motion

01:20:18.360 off the table after basically a humiliating attack from other councillors, such as the two

01:20:24.460 Courtney's and Karra and other people. It's ridiculous. And again, if this situation gets 0.98

01:20:32.080 inflamed, just as with Trudeau, these things could have been de-escalated long before if the

01:20:37.740 government's in power just showed some respect for their citizens and listened. It doesn't mean they

01:20:40.740 have to agree with them. It doesn't mean they have to comply with their demands, but just show

01:20:45.680 some respect and listen. And I tell you what, there's a lot less chance that things are going

01:20:49.380 to go off the rails down the road. But Calgary seems to be heading towards a conflict. And I'm

01:20:54.500 worried about that. And it's quite a concern. I'm going to talk one more time about Bitcoin.

01:21:00.060 Well, before we get out of here, let us not forget those guys are a fantastic local service here

01:21:06.300 in Alberta. They have the white glove service and they lead you into the world of digital

01:21:12.740 currency so you can safely invest and take care of your money. I talked about it before.

01:21:17.220 We've worked with them. They've got corporate packages here at the Western Standard,

01:21:20.600 a portion of my check. And yeah, no, it's not that one to 5 million that I supposedly have.

01:21:24.840 But a portion of my check always goes into my Bitcoin wallet now. And it's matched by the

01:21:28.240 Western Standard. It's a neat savings program. Bitcoin well sets all that up between you and

01:21:32.240 your employer. So if your employer wants to do something that it's voluntary for the employee,

01:21:35.920 it's something they can get going for you. And they have that Bitcoin Academy as Nico's pulled

01:21:39.900 the picture up. So you're going to get these online, uh, symposiums and they're partnered

01:21:44.120 with Athabasca university on it. So you can learn about it and find out exactly what this is. What's

01:21:48.440 making this buzz with digital currencies. Is it for you Bitcoin? Well, and there it is Bitcoin

01:21:53.360 for beginners. They'll help show you how to get involved in investing in it. If you choose to,

01:21:58.000 and how to safely control your money. And so on a similar line. So I'm going to talk about my

01:22:04.040 guests for tomorrow. We've got Colea Carrington. I could be ruining her first name. And she's going

01:22:10.920 to talk about the upcoming Alberta Technology Symposium. And it's a big one coming up. And it's

01:22:14.720 going to be going a lot into not just technology, but blockchain and digital currencies. Again,

01:22:19.780 that confusing world, but it's getting so big and important right now. Expanding on it and

01:22:23.760 discussing it's going to be great. And then Matthew Horwood, he's our other new reporter in Ottawa.

01:22:30.240 I was talking to Rachel the other day, and we're going to talk to Matthew about what he's been working on there

01:22:35.360 because the standard is really expanding, and it's important to keep talking about these people we've got.

01:22:41.320 Plus, I'm going to have Brian Jean come in, and I'm certain that's going to be very interesting.

01:22:45.520 I've heard he's got some more stuff to announce tomorrow.

01:22:47.740 He's coming out guns blazing after winning that by-election last night in Fort McMurray-Laclavish,

01:22:53.000 so make sure to tune in to catch all of that stuff tomorrow, 11.30 a.m. Mountain Standard Time.

01:22:58.940 get your questions in, get talking, and it's going to be a great show. Thanks for tuning in today, guys.

01:23:28.940 We'll be right back.

Western Standard - March 17, 2022

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