00:00:30.000Good morning. It's March 16th, 2022, and welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan. We got a good
00:00:38.960packed show today, especially for political wonks. Boy, I mean, last night's by-election
00:00:43.600results were something else, and then I got some great guests coming up. Just that reminder,
00:00:48.480this is the Western Standards Live Daily Show. We come to you at 11.30 a.m. Mountain Standard Time,
00:00:54.560Monday to Friday. And comments, of course, I want that interaction. Let's get back and forth
00:00:59.520comment to me comment towards the guests uh discuss things with each other we just always
00:01:04.700want to keep it somewhat civil you know we can get a little heated we can get on each other's
00:01:09.260cases boy i mean people with some of their comments on my poor fashion sense are cutting
00:01:14.000you know i cry myself to sleep occasionally but i'll get over it uh constructive critique is
00:01:19.560welcome as well uh so yes on today's guests i've got a actually a respiratory specialist
00:01:25.580chris schaefer coming on he's going to talk about impacts for masking uh you know there really are
00:01:30.220impacts we never talked much about it most of the mandates are dropping now but now we just want to
00:01:34.940make sure they stay behind us and he did some testing on things uh and and we're going to go
00:01:39.660into that and see how that goes now after that i have conservative party of canada leadership
00:01:44.620candidate pierre polyev everybody knows who mr polyev is and uh we had a you know a great talk
00:01:50.940about his campaign and what his plans are and it uh he uh speaks to a few direct things it's
00:01:57.420quite revealing on where he wants to go where you know that race is just getting off the ground it
00:02:02.220won't be finished until september 10th and it sounds like we'll be talking to mr paul you have
00:02:06.300a number of times so he's kicking things off now and he had a great talk with me so i'm gonna get
00:02:12.300into last night's uh by election results in fort mcmurray lacklabish it's hard to read too much
00:02:19.740into by-election results so we try you know it's a big uh some very difficult tea leaves to deal
00:02:25.420with they give us snapshots though the electoral mood between elections last night's biology in
00:02:29.740fort mcmurray lacklabish was the only one we've seen actually since the general election in 2019
00:02:34.780it's unusual to go so long without a seat opening up now let's break down what we saw in the results
00:02:40.380the turnout was about 24 percent to the eligible voters this isn't unusual unfortunately people
00:02:45.660who are they're rarely strongly engaged when it comes to by-elections even though the parties are
00:02:49.580tossing everything they have at them. Now I'm going to start in breaking down the winners
00:02:54.460and work down to the losers last night in descending order here. Brian Jean was clearly
00:02:59.980the winner in electoral numbers and in general, really. We have 64% in the election. Jean
00:03:05.580comfortably won the seat. His campaign was odd in that it was against the leader of his own party.
00:03:10.780Jean rarely went into policy details, remained focused on the need to displace Jason Kenney
00:03:15.180as the UCP leader as soon as possible. Of course, Gene's been unapologetic that he has ambitions to
00:03:20.380run for leader if and when that job becomes open. So Gene's campaign was almost independent of the
00:03:26.060party itself, as the party really didn't direct a lot of resources or attention to that race up
00:03:32.060there in Fort McMurray-Lacklebish, understandably. Premier Kenney didn't want to see any more
00:03:37.580attention drawn to it than he had to. So Gene now has the seat, and the by-election's giving
00:03:41.900them a springboard into a possible leadership race for the ucp that's going to all depend on
00:03:46.220the leadership review results in a few weeks from now gene's going to be using that seat as a
00:03:51.100platform to organize disgruntled mlas and party members to get out and vote against premier
00:03:55.660kenny on april 9th in red deer the ndp now in the last night's by-election we're the clear loser
00:04:01.900they've been hoping to position themselves as a government in waiting the by-election presented
00:04:05.740an opportunity to demonstrate that they've been gaining ground in the last three years
00:04:09.820They threw everything but the kitchen sink at the race and finished with a weak 18.5% finish.
00:04:16.100They ran an experienced and well-known candidate with Arianna Mancini.
00:04:20.380She won 31% support in the 2015 election, but that's dropped down now to 18.5.
00:04:26.480And that 18.5 is still 6% down from where they landed in the 2019 election as well.
00:04:32.460So while that riding isn't strong NDP country, they should have at least made some gains and inroads in the by-election.
00:04:38.280The drop in this support in this election does not bode well for Notley's NDP.
00:04:42.080They need to be making gains if they really actually do hope in the general election to be able to displace the party in power.
00:04:48.380Now, one that gets a little more difficult to read is Wildrose Independence Party leader Paul Hinman.
00:04:52.900He sort of won and he sort of lost, in my view.
00:04:55.220The 11% showing was surely disappointing to Hinman, but it was a solid third.
00:05:00.860I mean, there were a number of other parties running, and they were, for the most part, they were struggling to garner 1% of the vote individually.
00:05:07.800It does establish the Wildrose Independence Party as the next conservative alternative for the UCP, but it does remain a distant one.
00:05:15.800As the leader of the party, it's a blow for Hinman.
00:05:19.200He tirelessly door-knocked for months, which is much of why the Wildrose Independence Party wasn't down in the single digits like the other parties.
00:05:25.300His showing did show momentum and growth, but it wasn't a breakthrough result, and it's going to be hard to say that that was a great victory for the party at this point.
00:05:34.240And it was hard for the Wildrose Independence Party to capitalize on the Andy Kenney sentiment, as Gene had already wrapped that up.
00:05:41.700Going farther down, and we'll be talking more about that later on in the pipeline today, by the way,
00:05:46.300and it sounds like there may be some challenges for Paul's leadership coming from this.
00:06:32.260And they torpedoed their leader, Clark, out of the leadership, even though he'd won their only seat.
00:06:36.380They installed Stephen Mandel as their leader and managed to get totally obliterated in the 2019 general election.
00:06:42.380Carter, of course, scurried off to the hills and later ended up working for Mayor Gondek for a few months until he got fired from there.
00:06:49.960They keep hiring him and they keep firing him.
00:06:52.260So under the new leadership of former Brooks Mayor Barry Morishida, the Alberta party was hoping to make a splash in the by-election, but it was a flop. They can't claim a victory here. And they threw everything they had at that by-election.
00:07:06.260Now getting down to those other, also rands, I guess is the term, the Independence Party of Alberta.
00:07:13.100And yes, one of the representatives contacted us, very upset that we weren't paying nearly
00:07:16.920enough attention to them. We didn't even actually quite know they were there. We didn't know they
00:07:19.580changed the name of their party. They didn't even have a campaign website for Fort Mac,
00:07:23.780you know, that would take 20 minutes to set up really with some of the templates out there.
00:07:28.040But I guess it's our fault because we didn't add them in our reader survey. Either way,
00:07:31.840they were nearly tied with the Alberta Advantage Party. Marilyn Burns runs that with 24 votes for
00:07:38.860the Independence Party of Alberta and 25 votes for the Alberta Advantage Party. And I didn't
00:07:43.020misspeak. It's tough percentages. That's the total votes they each had. These parties are non-entities
00:07:48.520run by people with chips on their shoulders over past political slights. Literally, they aren't
00:07:52.880going anywhere soon. Now, a registered party is an asset as it's difficult to get a party
00:07:57.180registered in Alberta. For a registered party to fail to even garner more than 25 votes in an
00:08:02.440election is sad, to say the least. And hey, I can sympathize with alternative parties running
00:08:08.280on principle rather than an expectation to win. I've done it myself. With even a minor effort,
00:08:13.560though, a candidate should be able to at least garner a few hundred votes. Clearly, they didn't
00:08:17.920even try. Of course, still, the biggest loser of all today remains Jason Kenney. He had no way to0.96
00:08:24.040win in the first place. It's just a matter of the degree or way he lost. If Hinman had won,
00:08:28.520it would have shaken the entire UCP and their confidence in Kenny's leadership.
00:08:32.260If the NDP had won, it would have shaken the entire province and their confidence in Kenny's
00:08:36.720leadership. Brian Jean won, and he will now be dedicating his time to shaking the UCP caucus's
00:08:42.420confidence in Kenny's leadership. But what can Kenny do? Kick Jean out of the party before he
00:08:47.920even assumes his seat? Jean won't even be officially sworn in until early April, but he's
00:08:51.840surely going to be coming to the legislature before then.
00:08:55.040Kenny had already been experiencing caucus discord and has tossed out members for it.
00:08:59.920With Gene, it's going to be right in the open and he's going to be lighting fires
00:09:03.440in caucus. The by-election was a singular event, but the outcome was somewhat predictable. The big
00:09:09.680campaign now is in leading up to the April 9th leadership review of Jason Kenney's leadership
00:09:15.040at the UCP. The gloves are going to be coming off in the weeks to come, and we're going to see some
00:09:18.560some of the most lively political maneuvering witnessed in generations. This is Kenny's last
00:09:22.600chance to hang on to the party leadership, and to be frank, it isn't looking very good for him.
00:09:27.980So that's where things are landing on that. Now let's bring in Dave Naylor to talk about more
00:09:33.020what's making the headlines in the news today, because it's another busy one.
00:09:37.580Hey Dave, how's it going out there? Good, Corey. Stephen Carter, that's a name from the past,
00:09:42.660eh? I wish it would be from the past, but it keeps popping up and popping up.
00:09:46.920Exactly. Hey, as viewers may or may not know, Western Standard has moved their world headquarters into a new facility. We've dropped down one floor. And you and I, while we have a nice kind of window to look out at, we're sort of cubicle buddies now. So I'm thinking we may need to set some ground rules because, to be honest, some of your crap is getting pretty close to my desk.
00:10:08.620Well, we'll work on putting up some barriers and maybe some mousetraps and things to make sure we stay on each other's end of things.
00:10:16.920I'm certain we'll iron that out over the course of the next few months.
00:10:21.560So I don't want to spoil your entire show, but you were kind enough to give us a quick look at the Polyev interview.
00:10:30.320So we've got a couple of stories from that up there at the moment on the website.
00:10:34.840So I encourage everybody to go and look at that.
00:10:37.900but I won't steal Corey's thunder by telling you what they are.
00:10:41.300But there is a lot of fallout this morning, Corey,
00:10:43.740from that by-election that you've talked about.
00:10:47.820The Wild Rose Independence Party president, Rick Northey,
00:10:51.860released a statement saying he is launching an investigation
00:10:54.880into his own leader, Paul Hinman, and his efforts,
00:10:59.700not very good efforts, are not very, they didn't pay off.
00:11:04.060He worked very hard, but they didn't pay off in votes.
00:11:06.540And Rick Northey is basically saying we would have done better with a local candidate.
00:11:13.960And perhaps it wasn't up to Paul Hinman to try and insert himself into the race.
00:11:19.480So they've launched an investigation into that.
00:11:23.280And speaking of Jason Kenney's leadership, we've got a good story on some of the behind-the-scenes background
00:11:31.600that the UCP government is doing to try and keep him in power.
00:11:35.600They have ordered Kenny's staff and ministerial staff for every minister to give up three days of work, go unpaid leave this week, and make phone calls on behalf of Kenny.
00:11:50.780You know, they say they're going to supply the pizza for them to do it, but three days unpaid seems a fairly steep price to pay for me.
00:14:28.900But yeah, lots on the go and lots to watch.
00:14:30.760I mean, boy, you know, of course, the horrific scene in Ukraine with the Russian invasion
00:14:35.800and the stories just keep coming out of there.
00:14:38.220Federally, we've got that leadership race going.
00:14:40.300And as we said, now provincially, we've got this political hornet's nest on the go.
00:14:45.340And Brian Jean is going to be on the show tomorrow, actually.
00:14:48.540I will talk to him and we'll see what his plans are going forward.
00:14:52.080I mean, it's like levels and levels of campaigning.
00:14:55.120Now he's campaigned and won the by-election.
00:14:58.300He's going to be, if he can, running for the leadership of the UCP.
00:15:02.520But first, he has to ensure that there's an opening.
00:15:04.920So he's going to be campaigning hard to have Kenny, of course, kicked out of office.
00:15:10.020And that's interesting to hear from Dave.
00:15:11.560That's what I was talking about, some of the crazy political play and machinations we're going to see.
00:15:15.100So these staffers apparently all will go and they'll have to be really careful with this on unpaid leave.
00:15:21.460Because if they're paid, if it's government dollars going in to get those guys helping out on campaigning for the premier to win that partisan leadership review, there's going to be a bad explosion going on there.
00:15:36.400Though, I mean, Jason Kenney and his team are smart political players.
00:15:39.800I'm sure they're being careful enough to make sure that separation is in there.
00:15:44.280I mean, even if they're not getting direct compensation in dollars, come on, let's get real.
00:15:48.620You're a senior staffer for a cabinet minister, and you're voluntarily going to take a few days to help out for Premier Kenney.
00:15:58.440But you know what would happen if you decide not to volunteer?
00:16:01.620How long is your job trajectory after that?
00:16:04.620You know, we understand the realities of political play and arm twisting.
00:16:08.540Again, you can never see it on the front, but we're going to see a lot of this going on.
00:16:11.500We've got a premier who's very desperate to keep his job, and we've got a whole lot of people very inspired to try and take him out of it, and it's just going to heat up more and more in coming days.1.00
00:16:22.720Something that Dave talked about as well, and I mentioned the protests going on in Calgary, and I talked about the Defund the Police crowd, because they are a bunch of wackos, and the behavior in City Hall yesterday was something else.0.99
00:16:34.720I'm going to have actually Councillor Dan McLean coming on the show this Friday.1.00
00:16:38.480He's one of the only ones who voted against sending that letter to the police commission to complain about their lack of beating down on peaceful protesters.
00:16:46.920But things are getting heated up out there.
00:16:48.680And Police Chief Neufeld was on the radio this morning, and he was referring to those protesters now as anti-democracy protesters.
00:16:56.180I'm not talking about the counter protesters.
00:16:57.740I'm talking about the large group that does their march every week.
00:18:06.040And, you know, I'm just going to report what I see.
00:18:07.960I mean, I've been supportive of the freedom protests.
00:18:10.080But if they're being a bunch of weenies and they start trouble with the police or they go after those counter protesters, I will call them out.
00:18:16.160And likewise, the counter protesters or police.
00:18:19.080And again, let's just hope it stays safe.
00:18:20.880As I said the other day, I think it is time for these protesters to start moving into a different venue.
00:18:27.340It's getting tiring for the citizens who live down there.
00:18:30.100It's a residential area they march through.
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00:20:18.240okay so let's bring a specialist uh you know it's hard to describe i was looking at his videos and
00:20:24.440such but he's a specialist in safety and respiration and breathing essentially in workplace
00:20:29.300environments and other places chris schaefer and he's done a lot of work on this in the last couple
00:20:33.180of years and uh it's really not been covered enough in some ways i think so let's bring chris
00:20:38.080in here and start talking about masks hi chris how you doing hey good good cory thank you for uh
00:20:43.440thank you for bringing me in. Oh, much appreciated. Glad to have you on today. So I did watch,
00:20:49.180I believe you've done a number of things, but there was one video I looked up and it was where
00:20:52.820we always get right into it with masking. You started measuring carbon dioxide levels
00:20:58.440within masks when people wore masks and face shields and things such as that.
00:21:03.200And they typically, I mean, it's not giving that free airflow that some people would imply when
00:21:08.220comes to wearing masks well yeah because essentially if you just you know cover your
00:21:13.580mouth and nose with a closed cover it's going to trap your carbon dioxide and it's going to force
00:21:18.540you to re-inhale it and because there's no exhalation valve it's going to cause you to
00:21:23.900re-inhale your carbon dioxide which can cause a whole host of problems to the person wearing it
00:21:30.060yeah so actually i should have started with a bit of your background too so you specialize
00:21:33.740in these sorts of things like if it was a workplace and they were concerned about the
00:21:36.940breathing conditions for their employees and workers and things like that that you're the
00:21:40.060type of person they would consult or speak to and then study those things to make sure workers are
00:21:44.540safe absolutely so everything to do with uh with air monitoring um gas monitoring as well as uh
00:21:53.980fit testing for respirators education for respirators that's been my career for the past
00:21:59.980over 25 years now strictly with that and you know it's it's all different types of respirators
00:22:07.900something from something very basic all the way up to and including emergency responders that would
00:22:13.340go into biohazardous environments and everything in between yeah so um with what you're recovering
00:22:21.020like is there there's so many questions when it comes to masking i mean there's questions
00:22:25.100on whether they're even effective in reducing spread of transmission in the first place and
00:22:29.580then the other part is so what kind of harm can be done though if a person's inhaling too much
00:22:33.500carbon dioxide because a lot of people do still have been wearing masks for long periods of time
00:22:37.500in their workplaces for different reasons whether it's a dusty environment or a medical environment
00:22:41.820or things such as that and we don't hear a lot of reports of long-term damage with people from that
00:22:47.660well it's because it hasn't been a long time yet it's still been a relatively short time
00:22:51.900so uh just to give you an example uh this this is an example of a mask okay why is it a mask
00:22:59.100because it has nostril holes and a mouthful not because it's on your face so anything you put on
00:23:04.460your mouth and nose if it's going to make breathing harder then that's your first warning sign so in
00:23:09.500order to design something that's going to provide respiratory protection and then also incorporate
00:23:15.180easy effortless breathing takes a lot of money and a lot of engineering to do that that is why
00:23:19.900we have what is called a respirator so this would be your basic type respirator now what makes it a
00:23:24.700respirator is well first of all you get filtration protection right here from the filters right but
00:23:29.420if you take the filter off the design of the device makes it a respirator so for instance
00:23:34.060you have an inhalation opening here a big hole here through this hole air flows in easily and
00:23:38.940effortlessly and air is pushed out and moisture and heat's pushed out through the exhalation valve
00:23:44.700effortlessly so that something like this is actually designed and engineered for easy safe
00:23:49.180breathing so the issues of trapping carbon dioxide and causing low oxygen environments
00:23:54.700are not going to exist in a in a piece of equipment like this because it's actually
00:23:59.020engineered for safe breathing yeah so with that um two-way thing i mean we've been seeing some
00:24:07.900people talking about doubling even tripling masks on yourself i mean i i haven't even tried that
00:24:12.860with myself i imagine you're gonna strain your lungs trying to breathe in and out effectively
00:24:17.820uh when you've covered yourself in such a way well yeah and you know like um the standard here
00:24:24.060the standard n95 uh this would be something that would have been something that uh was primarily
00:24:30.140used as a shield for health care workers a shield for large uh drops and spray of mucus and bodily
00:24:37.420fluids from people in hospital or health care environments it's never been used to filter
00:24:42.700viruses it cannot be filter viruses it doesn't matter what you do if you um there's nothing that
00:24:48.860you can use to filter viruses there's nothing i'll give you an example this is an actual respirator
00:24:54.860designed for c safe breathing but even with the p100 protection on this it's not going to protect
00:25:00.620you from viruses remember these are n95s n95 is the lowest level rating of respiratory protection
00:25:08.060there is there's nothing lower than an n95 so it's impossible to think that any filter could
00:25:14.300stop a virus it is it is not only impossible to think it's completely ridiculous so um the thing
00:25:21.660to note that if you do cover your mouth and nose with a closed cover it's going to make breathing
00:25:25.500more difficult that's a sign your body's trying to tell you that you know what maybe this shouldn't
00:25:29.820be on your face because because a respirator is designed for easy engineered breathing and they
00:25:35.820have visible openings in front of mouth and nose so if you have something on your face
00:25:40.460and it doesn't have engineered visible openings in front of mouth and nose it's likely a breathing
00:25:46.780barrier so you're breathing back and forth i see some of the irony with a lot of people who've been
00:25:50.700trying to characterize carbon dioxide as being a terrible pollutant that we got to get under
00:25:55.180control but then they understate how bad it is for us to bring up our own personal carbon dioxide
00:25:59.340levels in breathing when we wear these masks yeah i mean the levels that i've measured are far in
00:26:04.860access of what would be considered safe in fact they would be considered hazardous by every
00:26:10.060regulatory body across the board whether it's alberta provincially whether it's canada nationally
00:26:15.340whether it's uh whether it's north american uh regulations as well so it's not safe within any
00:26:21.580regulation and that's been totally overlooked so people are so intent in thinking that by
00:26:27.020covering their mouth and nose they're going to try and protect themselves against the virus
00:26:30.460when in reality um the first requirement of any respirator is not to be filtration effective it's
00:26:38.540to be safe to wear for breathing to make to make sure that it's properly going to vent your exhaled
00:26:44.380carbon dioxide out of it so that you don't re-inhale it because re-inhaling it can cause
00:26:49.100eglations it's no different than uh corey when you know you know we were taught by our parents
00:26:54.220not to put a bag over our heads and we teach our children the same thing if you just take a closed
00:26:59.740object put over your mouth and nose it's going to increase breathing resistance that's not going to
00:27:03.780be safe for you to wear no and then the other aspect and part of what you covered in your video
00:27:10.420i mean people talk about well medical personnel wear masks all the time and they do things but
00:27:14.240that's when you get into that too a lot of people of course weren't trained in proper mass
00:27:19.460mask utilization they aren't necessarily wearing it the right way or changing them out as frequently
00:27:23.760as you would have to in order for them to be effective uh you know you put it out a person
00:27:27.480has got it wearing the same one all day and hanging it off their chin half a day it's really not
00:27:30.840having any effect for them in a good way whatsoever you know yeah and i mean um technically technically
00:27:38.920like i said if it's a closed cover it doesn't it doesn't even meet the definition of a mask
00:27:43.400like i said these things were introduced into healthcare primarily to act as a shield to protect
00:27:48.840the healthcare practitioner and uh from um from a spray from a patient and uh you know the patient
00:27:57.960from a spray from a healthcare practitioner in a mucus spray or bodily fluid spray but as far as
00:28:03.160filtering viruses it's let me give you an example corey how ridiculous this is um a virus is so
00:28:10.280small that you would need one of the world's most powerful electron microscopes to even see that it
00:28:15.320exists period so that is why they don't make any respirators that can filter viruses because they're
00:28:21.560too small they're so small they're there you can't even fathom how small they are so you think about
00:28:27.720somebody wearing you know a piece of piece of cloth and you think about the poor openings on
00:28:31.880a piece of cloth or the poor openings on an n95 or any one of these covers uh they're going to
00:28:37.240be larger you can see light coming through and you don't need an electron microscope to see that
00:28:42.760which tells you that it is impossible to stop any virus and and people say well you know what
00:28:48.760viruses travel in droplets and it's going to uh uh that's going to stop all the droplets and
00:28:54.520that's not true at all because you know viruses because they're so small the droplets are also
00:28:59.160really small and the droplets the droplets are gonna are gonna be not much bigger than the
00:29:04.840virus itself and as a result uh it's not gonna have any effect whatsoever except uh force you
00:29:12.280to re-inhale your exhaled air cause hypoxia and even potentially cause thrombosis so thrombosis
00:29:18.840is circulatory blood clots so basically how this works is this corey is that there's many documented
00:29:25.800studies to prove and i have lots of references i'm actually building a very uh in the process
00:29:30.120of starting to build a very uh comprehensive website on all things mask related called
00:29:36.200maskexpert.ca and i'm going to be building that shortly here and it's going to have all the
00:29:43.880resources for everybody that can see all of the scientific studies that show that these are not
00:29:49.320safe to wear and really haven't been never really have been and it's not really a new thing it's
00:29:55.080there's studies that go by decades scientific peer-reviewed studies that show that for filtering
00:30:00.760apparatus, it's not an effective way to go. Yeah. Well, and I mean, some of the frustration,
00:30:07.520I mean, even some of the authorities are kind of admitting that it might not be as effective
00:30:11.860in stopping spread as they hope, but they kind of dismiss it and saying, well, but it's harmless.
00:30:16.320It won't do anything to you. I mean, not even as you're pointing out, you know, there could be
00:30:19.220definitely some potential harm from re-inhaling your own breath and such. But I mean, the social
00:30:24.360harm, it really doesn't get stated enough. You know, people say it's just a minor inconvenience.
00:30:28.340I don't consider spending my whole days covered with a mask, not able to smile to people, communicate to people and talk to people effectively to be a minor inconvenience, particularly when it comes to children and their social environments.
00:30:38.800Yeah, like for me, I don't deal in the social aspects of it because I see so much hazard and then consequential.
00:30:46.720If you don't, if you ignore a hazard, you're exposed to hazard long enough.
00:30:49.280Harm is a natural consequence of that.
00:30:51.560So that is where that's where my focus is.
00:30:54.780right it's a multi-layer situation but uh the harm the actual harm and the hazard of it is uh
00:31:00.620is uh proven and uh different people will experience different uh different consequences of it
00:31:06.620and um all anybody has to do is look up online and find out you know what google search or internet
00:31:14.460search uh what is the danger of re-inhaling your exhaled air what is the danger of a low oxygen
00:31:19.660environment and both of these cause that in fact the the measurements that i've done and other
00:31:25.260people have done but i've done myself to verify through my own uh reports is that um the oxygen
00:31:31.980levels are lower and uh the carbon dioxide levels are higher than what would be permissible in any
00:31:37.340workplace environment so imagine that we're forcing that on people people that have children
00:31:42.460that require oxygen more frequently they're going to suffer a lot more uh people that are are maybe
00:31:48.140have pre-existing medical conditions that are going to suffer a lot more from the reduced oxygen and
00:31:52.540high carbon dioxide than ordinary average person so there are definite hazards and there are
00:31:58.140definite harms and it's going to affect different people differently and time will tell for the
00:32:03.500long-term consequences of that yeah and it shouldn't be dismissed i mean if you've got
00:32:07.900oh and s regulations that say if your carbon dioxide levels in the workplace are this high
00:32:11.740you have to get the workers out of there and you have to change the ventilation to address it
00:32:15.580why is it not reasonable to say well when we're causing people to breathe out those sorts of
00:32:19.340levels through a mask that this could be problematic yet they dismiss any discussion
00:32:23.100of that whatsoever well you know i think this is a really unique situation because in the last two
00:32:29.100decades more than two decades anything i've worked with government for more than two decades
00:32:34.380in all different departments and i would say that this is the first time in history that
00:32:39.180there's been such a respiratory emergency where they're they need respiratory protection where
00:32:44.380somebody like myself has been ignored and and has not uh been asked invited to the table for the
00:32:51.420discussion and consultation it's the first time in history and it's not just me there's others
00:32:55.420like me as well where we have uh just been uh it's it's been rolled out around the world especially
00:33:01.420in canada alberta wherever else and it's been done without the consultation of actual respirator
00:33:07.820experts yeah well and i think you know getting to the political end of things which is more my turf
00:33:13.420uh what happens with a lot of governments is they what becomes more important is to look like you're
00:33:17.740doing something even if it isn't necessarily effective and masks are good as far as they're
00:33:22.460concerned quick easy way to have uh visible legislation where they you know you can see
00:33:27.420what's happening with it and make some people feel that the government has been doing something to
00:33:31.420protect them from themselves and each other thus they jump onto it even if the evidence isn't
00:33:35.740really terribly strong to support using those masks in the first place yeah i mean like the
00:33:40.620The call of masks is really not in actuality,
00:51:23.680But this is the first of what sounds like there's going to be a few interviews
00:51:25.980with leadership candidates and Mr. Poliev as well.
00:51:29.500And yeah, tune in and let's see what he's got to say.
00:51:33.480Well, thank you very much for joining us today, Mr. Poliev.
00:51:36.860It's been a pretty lively campaign for you so far, I imagine, and we appreciate you speaking to our viewers out here in the West.
00:51:45.440Good to be with you. Thanks for having me on the show.
00:51:48.360So I'll get ready to it. You know, one of the themes I see in general right now from a lot of people when it comes to government or the party as well and things like that is trust.
00:51:59.520People don't feel very trusting of government and politicians.
00:52:02.680I mean, that's sort of always kind of been happening.
00:52:05.020But in these tumultuous times, we've had a lot of that.
00:52:07.640And I did ask some of our viewers to send questions.
00:52:09.880And one from Dale Grabb was about accountability.
00:52:13.120Like with the last leadership, we don't need to go into so much that.
00:52:16.180But the candidate sort of proposed a lot of things one way and then didn't follow through later on, which I think kind of led to the change in leadership.
00:52:24.420But what sort of measures could we put in to ensure accountability in matters of transparency or even potential recall?
00:52:30.340are you talking about within the government itself or within the conservative party apparatus
00:52:37.120there are two levels yeah i packed a lot into that i'm afraid um well in the leadership and
00:52:41.880so on your accountability would be to the members and you're running kind of for two positions right
00:52:46.000now so there's mechanisms within the party and we saw those exercised recently but i i would like to
00:52:52.560talk about the potential uh pierre poly of prime minister what kind of measures could we bring in
00:52:57.700then to feel that you would be following through on your word on the way up and following after
00:53:02.520that, I guess. Well, I was the parliamentary secretary in the Harper government that ushered
00:53:07.560the Accountability Act through Canada's parliament. That was the toughest anti-corruption law in
00:53:12.820Canadian history, still is. In fact, the scandals that have ensnared Trudeau are all the result of
00:53:17.960breaking that law. It expanded access to information, separated the prosecution arm from the political
00:53:24.640arm of government. It banned politicians from taking gifts from people with whom they have
00:53:33.680government business, something the Prime Minister Resolto found guilty of doing. And later on in
00:53:39.000this campaign, I will be announcing new measures to get tough on corruption and expand accountability
00:53:45.700to empower citizens to hold bureaucrats and politicians accountable when they may waste
00:53:52.220money or defraud the public treasury. So I believe the government is a servant and the citizen
00:54:01.480master. And that is what I will enact when I'm prime minister.
00:54:08.420Okay. So when it comes to that transparency, I've noticed like Blacklock's reporter has been very
00:54:13.180effective actually in some of those committee hearings and things like that. But sometimes
00:54:17.320they still hit a wall of redacted stuff or the old, you know, toss a giant bill for an information
00:54:22.860inquiry. So would there be an intention to make it a little easier to get in and check on our,
00:54:28.020what is our government? Yes, absolutely. I want to give more power for access to information
00:54:34.400and more proactive disclosure of government decisions and expenditures so that people
00:54:40.260know where their money is going and can trace every penny. There's no reason why with the
00:54:46.480modern technology, we can't have easily traceable government spending so that we can follow not just
00:54:53.620the dollar, but right down to the penny, what is spent and where it went. And that's the kind of
00:55:00.140transparency that I will enact as prime minister. Great. And then maybe I'll move a bit back towards
00:55:05.460the partisan end of things. A problem we have as conservatives in general, and as we've seen a lot
00:55:10.620of conservative leaders lately, it seems haven't resigned from their positions, you know, choosing
00:55:15.960to retire. They've been pulled down by upset party members. And we're certainly in the midst
00:55:20.220of quite a bit of turmoil in Alberta with our provincial leadership right now. So this leadership
00:55:26.040race has already gotten off, you know, to a heated start. And that's fine to be lively, I guess. But
00:55:30.580we do also worry that it might turn into something that could be fracturous. So how can you maintain
00:55:34.320this race while differentiating yourself from other candidates, but not letting it get too
00:55:38.540divisive? Well, everything my campaign has said about the other candidates is just factual and
00:55:44.820the public record patrick brown supports a carbon tax he supports actually endorsed justin trudeau's
00:55:50.260version of the carbon tax and said he would impose it ontario in ontario it is a public
00:55:55.540fact that brown like trudeau has been twice convicted of breaking the ethics law in his
00:56:01.860case the ontario ethics law and he's already attacking stephen harper something trudeau does
00:56:07.380as well so i just disagree with him and that approach jean chariot was a liberal premier who
00:56:11.860raised taxes, brought in a carbon tax, a taxed Stephen Harper, and endorsed a long gun registry.
00:56:19.700So I disagree with those policies. And I think it's better to have those disagreements out in
00:56:23.200the open rather than have these two who are in a coalition together sneak into the leadership
00:56:29.100by hiding what they really believe and then thrusting a big surprise on party members after
00:56:34.740the fact. Your second part of your question was how do we unite? Simple. We unite around
00:56:39.900one core principle, freedom. All conservatives can endorse that principle. Social conservatives
00:56:45.260want religious freedom and freedom to preach without censorship. Progressive conservatives
00:56:50.760want the freedom for women, gays, minorities, and others to live their lives in equality and
00:56:59.160without government interference. Fiscal conservatives want economic freedom to control
00:57:04.500their own money, start businesses without government blocking them. Libertarians want
00:57:09.680freedom online, freedom to own cryptographic assets and to express themselves. Rural and
00:57:17.580firearms conservatives want the freedom to own their property lawfully and without undue
00:57:24.280confiscation. So these freedoms bind all different conservatives back together. And so I will unite
00:57:32.780conservatives around freedom. And that's how I will bring together the country to become Prime
00:57:38.360Minister. Okay, so we've seen a time when our in exceptional circumstances, our civil liberties
00:57:44.720have been challenged more than we've seen in our lifetimes, whether it was through pandemic
00:57:49.220legislations, you know, ostensibly to control the pandemic, fair enough. And then with the short
00:57:54.820invocation of the Emergencies Act, how can we be assured, though, that I mean, I understand the
00:58:00.400reason for an emergency is sometimes you just get something that's beyond the pale. We want to make
00:58:04.460sure it's absolutely the very possible last resort for a government to go to. And people's confidence
00:58:09.840I think has been a bit shaken. It has indeed. Trudeau is on a pandemic power trip. He caused
00:58:16.780this emergency by targeting truckers with a ridiculous new mandate that they had worked
00:58:25.040safely without for two prior years, even though they are the very people least likely to spread
00:58:30.800any kind of virus because they're all alone in a truck all day and all night sleeping and driving.
00:58:36.080And he did it at a time when the rest of the world is lifting mandates and restrictions. So
00:58:39.760he deliberately provoked that crisis. And then he used the crisis he provoked to invoke more,
00:58:46.640to give himself yet more powers. I've been calling out Trudeau's pandemic power trip for two years,
00:58:51.920Since March of 2020, I was probably the leading voice against his attempt to give himself the power to raise any tax to any level for any reason without parliamentary approval back when the pandemic first started.
00:59:05.960I fought against his abuse of tax money in the We Scandal, and I fought against his attempt to regulate Internet speech and helped Rachel Thomas from Lethbridge stop that bill in its tracks before the last election.
00:59:21.980So I've been fighting for freedom against Trudeau's pandemic power trip since the COVID crisis began.
00:59:31.100And I continue to do that as now the leading voice to end all mandates and restrictions so Canadians can take back control of their lives.
00:59:40.580So getting to that freedom and an important part of transparency, I mean, independent media like ours has been on the rise and it's been turning into an alternative.
00:59:48.420You've already committed to defunding the CBC, which is appreciated, but we worry.
01:00:04.020I led the charge against C-10, which was the forerunner to what is now C-11.
01:00:09.360I should give more credit to Rachel Thomas because she was the one who pushed.
01:00:14.320She was the critic. I worked with her to stop that horrible bill. And it's a it's really unfortunate that the government backed media and the corporate media want this bill to go ahead because it will further entrench their oligopoly on speech.0.97
01:00:32.560They are acting as gatekeepers. They want to keep out the competition so that they can control what's reported and basically guarantee that it's government talking points that Canadians hear without an alternative voice is getting a hearing.
01:00:49.700That's why the media in the press gallery is so hard on me, because I'm fighting against their gatekeeping and in favor of freedom of expression and freedom of competition in the media.
01:01:02.460So, yes, I will repeal C-11 and I will repeal other bills if they pass that Trudeau is proposing to curtail what you see and say online.
01:01:10.860Well, that's comforting to know. I mean, it's so important that we have these means to communicate.
01:01:14.780I mean, I understand there's a lot of misinformation out there, but we can leave it to citizens to determine what's...
01:01:19.500Well, frankly, there's a lot of misinformation in the corporate and government media as well.
01:01:37.400So, I mean, we're coming from the West, of course, we're the Western Standard.
01:01:40.200that we got a lot of Central Canadian listeners, but regional challenges in equity have long been
01:01:44.680an issue for us out here, of course. And I'm of the old bent of the Reform Party way back when,
01:01:50.740and Senate reform was a very large issue for us. I mean, the Senate right now is supposed to
01:01:55.960address regional inequity, but realistically, it's terribly imbalanced. Would you consider
01:02:02.100looking into reforming the Senate? I mean, seriously reforming it, not just perhaps tweaking
01:02:07.160it here and there? Well, the truth is I don't think it will happen. I'm just being blunt with
01:02:13.180you. I don't want to be one of those politicians that comes on air and tells you a bunch of stuff
01:02:17.120just to get your vote and then goes back on it. The Supreme Court ruled that abolishing the Senate
01:02:23.000requires 10 of 10 provinces. Even reforming it would require seven provinces representing 50%
01:02:29.700of the population. We'd have to open the Constitution, which would begin a whole new
01:02:33.720can of worms about every other grievance that people have with the constitutional structure
01:02:38.900of the nation. And I don't think we would get to a consensus. I don't like the fact that our
01:02:43.780Senate is unelected. I fought for an elected Senate. In fact, when I was a teenager, I worked
01:02:48.420on the Senate election campaign of Ted Morton when the Alberta government was promoting Senate
01:02:54.840elections. And I helped him as a volunteer at McMahon Stadium in Calgary collecting signatures
01:03:01.520for him to run. So that's how far back my arguments for Senate democratization goes.
01:03:08.540What I would support is appointing the winners of elections that provincial governments hold
01:03:15.060in their provinces. So I would appoint the candidates that Albertans elect in their
01:03:20.780locally held vote. If any other province held similar elections, I would appoint the winner
01:03:26.240in those cases as well. So that's something doable, doesn't require a constitutional change.
01:03:31.520And I want to promise only things I can actually do.
01:03:34.440Good. That was the next question I was going to ask if you would commit to appointing the ones we elect, because we do have some senators elect right now.
01:03:40.380Yes, they should be appointed. They should be appointed. Sorry, the elected ones should get an appointment.
01:03:46.860Yes, it's the best we can do without reforming the entire system. I know constitutional change is very difficult.
01:03:52.460I'll get to some familiar territory. Inflation, of course, is going wild. It's running rampant.
01:03:57.260there's a number of factors i mean government spending is a huge part of it and borrowing
01:04:01.420the energy costs as well so in addressing inflation though i mean how can we get that
01:04:05.900under control reasonably well three things i let's start with what i call just in inflation
01:04:13.100when trudeau started printing money to finance the half
01:04:20.700has had in the last uh two years i predicted we have inflation why because throughout thousands
01:04:25.660of years of history, dictators, emperors, prime ministers, presidents, print money to pay their
01:04:30.160bills, create coins out of cheap copper, as they used to do, to pay for their opulent spending,
01:04:36.420they end up causing inflation. Why? Because more dollars chase fewer goods, which leads to higher
01:04:41.740prices. It's not rocket science. So I said this would happen. Now, so the first, that's what I
01:04:48.840call just inflation. So how would I stop that? Well, I'll phase out the deficit, cancel the
01:04:53.720$100 billion slush fund of spending. Trudeau is promising defund the CBC, cancel the infrastructure
01:04:59.580bank, which is a colossal boondoggle, and also root out other waste and mismanagement to get
01:05:04.960rid of our deficits. So there is no need for money printing. Secondly, I would ax the carbon tax.
01:05:12.120John Sture, Patrick Brown passionately support the carbon tax. They want higher gas prices as
01:05:17.420a stated policy objective. And of course, the Bank of Canada governor admitted this week that
01:05:22.680the carbon tax is adding to inflation. I would ask that tax to bring inflation down. The third
01:05:27.900thing is instead of creating cash, my free enterprise economy will create more of what
01:05:33.880cash buys. I'll remove the regulatory gatekeepers to produce more Canadian energy, to
01:05:42.060reduce taxes and regulation on our farmers so they can produce more affordable food.
01:05:48.880And I'll incentivize municipalities and sell off as well as selling off 15 percent of federal buildings to turn into more housing, to get the regulatory gatekeepers who block housing construction out of the way and increase the supply by millions of housing units so that there's more housing to have.
01:06:10.140So in other words, stop printing cash and start creating more of what cash buys.
01:06:16.180That's my common sense solution to just inflation.
01:06:22.020Would deregulating some of the agricultural controls that do lead to inflation involve supply management?
01:06:27.840I mean, that's been proven to raise the cost of a lot of consumer staples with dairy goods and poultry products and such.
01:06:34.080And it was a large part of the past conservative leadership discussions.
01:06:38.280I'm not proposing a change in that area and the reason is that the farmers who own the quota
01:06:45.000have had to pay millions of dollars for it and furthermore if we bought them out then it would
01:06:51.540cost more to do that than it would to keep the system that is in place right now. Overall I do
01:06:58.520support more choice and freedom in the agricultural sector that's why I was a part of the Harper
01:07:03.600government that got rid of the wheat board and unleashed the productivity of our grains in our
01:07:10.960western prairie provinces. And I'll also be reducing other taxes and simplifying regulations
01:07:20.000so that our farmers and ranchers can spend more time producing nutritious food and less time
01:07:26.460filling out paperwork and being hounded by government bureaucrats. Great. So in your
01:07:31.420campaign. Do you plan on coming out West Alberta pretty soon? I do. I should point out I was already
01:07:36.940in Saskatchewan, the province of my parents' birth. My folks are from Saskatoon and Leoville
01:07:43.840in Saskatchewan. So I visited there. And of course, I'm from Calgary, as you know. I'm born and raised
01:07:48.700there. My folks still live there. So I'm going to be back to visit them and connect with my many
01:07:55.200western family and friends uh in the great province of alberta and i'll make sure you you
01:08:01.760know about it uh when that when i have a date nailed down great thanks well i hope we'll get
01:08:06.240the opportunity to talk when you do come out here is there anything else you'd add before uh
01:08:10.080i let you go well whenever i someone comes to my office for a job i always ask them
01:08:16.400why do you want the job so i have to answer that question myself i want to be prime minister to put
01:08:21.200you and every Canadian back in control of their own lives by making Canada the freest nation on
01:08:29.980earth. That's my purpose. That's what I've always believed. And that's why I'm in this.
01:08:34.740Well, thank you very much for joining me today, Mr. Polyebb. And we'll be
01:08:37.860watching your campaign with interest. Thank you for having me.
01:08:41.540All right, so I know there was a lot more questions for Mr. Polyev.
01:08:51.540I'm afraid I only had him for 15 minutes there.