00:19:43.640I definitely see that as involuntary servitude.
00:19:45.600I think the Emergencies Act in general has lots of problems when it comes to protecting the property rights of Canadians.
00:19:54.180With regards to the tow truck example, there's a couple of problems.
00:19:58.720The first is that they have a property right in their tow trucks, their equipment, and they should have the right to use it as they see fit.
00:20:04.260You can't force someone to use your property in such and such way, or obviously that's a violation of property rights.
00:20:09.420But perhaps more importantly is that they have a property right in their bodies.
00:20:13.200And, you know, if you can say you now must go do this or you will go to jail, then, you know, this is sort of involuntary servitude.
00:20:21.840They're threatening you to lock you in a cage unless you do what they ask.
00:20:25.540And I certainly see that as involuntary servitude.
00:20:28.000Absolutely. I mean, by full definition, and you said it clearly in your column.
00:20:31.760I mean, you weren't trying to make a direct comparison of the slavery back in the 1850s in the United States or anything like that.
00:23:38.780I really don't know, and I think it'll be interesting to see after the fact,
00:23:43.540because people really will have to try to get back their property.
00:23:47.840And so I'm really curious to see in the future how that sort of legal,
00:23:53.020that works out through the legal system,
00:23:55.040because I will be curious what constitutes aiding an illegal protest
00:23:58.120with this emergency act, so I'm not sure.
00:24:00.340Yeah, well, I don't think we'll have any legal recourse until this act is gone. I mean, that's the bottom line of the act. I think they can do this without the need for warrants, without judicial oversight, any of those things. So people with their property seized might have it seized for 30 days, 60 days. I mean, we don't know until the act is gone. I'm certain. I mean, there's lawyers are lining up out the door to get on this because this is just beyond the pale. But some people's lives could be terribly upset and ruined by this as the government drags their feet on holding this act on.
00:24:29.240Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I look forward to see what's happening. And as you said, it could take forever. And I don't exactly trust the federal government to be the most efficient in taking care of these sorts of issues.
00:24:40.440No, I mean, they've had about 10 years to try and get their own payroll system sorted out, 20, I think. And they still, I mean, you know, so we can't just blame the liberals that conservatives never manage it either. Government doesn't do anything fast, efficiently, or typically good for the citizens. I mean, part of my bigger worry in this, too, is though how Canadians accept it. Like, I almost worry this act comes and goes, and they don't do a heck of a lot more. But it adds to the sense of complacency. Oh, this wasn't so bad. This wasn't so significant. This wasn't so dangerous. People can't let themselves get lulled into that.
00:25:07.540I mean, if the government gets away with it once, they will do it again.
00:25:10.960Right. Absolutely. And that's why I'm really interested to seeing sort of where the court of public opinion lands in terms of whether or not it was legitimate to enact the act.
00:25:21.480Which I think, you know, like you said, should be a concern for Canadians in general if you're worried about their ability to seize property, to, you know, stop you from protesting a peaceful assembly.
00:25:32.300But another issue is going to be for the provinces, right?
00:25:35.720If the RCMP can now take care of that which was previously given to the provinces or municipalities,
00:25:40.760you know, it sort of seems like this might be a problem for our federalism
00:25:44.160if the threshold to enact the act is considered quite low, you know?
00:25:49.360So I'm definitely worried about something like that.
00:25:51.100Yeah, well, this has put a real pressure on Canadian unity in a lot of ways.
00:25:55.180I was talking to a fellow, George Clark, actually called me earlier today,
00:25:58.620but he pointed out something really stuck in my mind.
00:26:00.260it was interesting though uh we had so much regionalism and a lot of people initially going
00:26:04.300to ottawa were actually as they were thrown you know derogatory terms or thrown up and saying
00:26:08.640they're all you know for western independence or anything no but there's probably a lot of among
00:26:11.560them but it turned into it morphed into actually a very patriotic sort of thing i mean kind of town
00:26:18.740after town city after city it turned into a flag waving thing at first there were even some of the
00:26:22.020upside down flags which people were saying is a sign of distress and you're seeing fewer and fewer
00:26:26.360those you're seeing a bunch of canadian flags we're actually seeing the nation more unified
00:26:30.920than we've seen a long time but now with this all cracking down on it again we're seeing unity
00:26:35.640getting shattered all over again you know just i'm just talking to the broader sense about
00:26:40.680side effects of this whole affair and how it's kind of heading up and down on unity i mean the
00:26:44.360bloc quebecois of course is very strongly opposed to the use of martial law and the imposition of
00:26:49.160the emergencies act uh and of course westerners are always upset with federal incursion as you
00:26:54.360You said now the RCMP might be stepping in on provincial turf.
00:26:58.120This sort of move could shatter national unity.
00:31:56.960Canadians are going to have to look at the federalism that they've been given, right?
00:32:00.420And we're going to have to start wondering if there's a place at all for the federal government to usurp those powers from the provinces or from the individual, right, the right over your property, right over your person, if there's a place at all for that in Canada.
00:32:12.040And like you said, you know, hopefully, hopefully people will start to see that there's maybe not a place for that at all.
00:32:47.860Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I wish I had some perfect institutional answer for you, right?
00:32:52.800Oh, we'll just put this check here and this balance here.
00:32:54.960Yeah, I'll corner the lawyers with that when I get them in as guests. You're the philosopher here. You know, I'm just trying to think of a general Canadian psyche and thoughts because, I mean, public figures tend to follow public opinion. They try to mold public opinion. It's an ongoing game. But as you said, history may not look back wisely or well on this, but how far into history are we going to have to go before Canadians say, wow, that was a piss poor idea.
00:33:17.580Yeah, that's absolutely the scary thing, right? And certainly it seems public opinion now so far, you know, with Trudeau generally. And, you know, I'm sort of curious to see who those maybe like NDP supporters might feel about this, right? With Singh and the NDP coming out supporting the act, you know, the left, they have a few people that really might correctly view this as sort of tyrannical, right?
00:33:41.900And I wonder if it might be, you know, the voices on the left and the right might come together on this, but it's those, you know, that large majority that maybe doesn't see it that way.
00:33:52.980Well, I'm really hoping to see some break ranks.
00:33:54.560The Canadian Civil Liberties Association, they are not a conservative organization by any measure, and they have come out strongly against this, very strongly.
00:34:00.960I mean, they understand most of the more contemporary examples we've seen in North America of the government cracking down on free assembly and protest have been cracking down against left-wing protests.
00:34:11.200So, I mean, they understand this could be turned against them and probably will in the future if we allow it to happen now.
00:34:17.680Oh, of course. Absolutely. I think that there's definitely a fear of that.
00:34:22.480And hopefully that some maybe those who remember time further back when certainly they were cracking down on leftist protests and leftist assembly a lot more than maybe conservative assembly or something like that, that they'll see that this is a problem.
00:34:36.780But I'm not sure, maybe younger folks, people maybe my age, they think, you know, this is what's best, right?
00:34:43.700You know, you've got to stop those right-wingers.
00:34:46.320Yeah, well, you get a little taste of tear gas and your perspective changes really quickly.
00:34:55.060Anyways, as you said, I mean, I appreciate that you want to look forward to things with optimism, though.
00:34:58.320I mean, hopefully we can polish this turd and bring something decent out of what is a very strange turning point in Canadian history, I guess, is the best way to put it.
00:35:08.900So we look forward to more columns from you.
00:35:11.220And where else can people find information on what you're up to and what you're doing?
00:35:14.880I'm on Twitter at Andrew D underscore Allison.
00:35:18.460And if you're an academic, cite me because that would be a real help to my career.
00:35:22.660Oh, yes. You need those things for that PhD.
00:36:15.000He's going to be on in about 12 minutes.
00:36:17.040And he, you know, again, was a co-founder of the Tea Party.
00:36:20.400Whether you agreed or disagreed, talk about a man who was a part of a large movement that
00:36:24.180really shook things up in a much larger country than ours. That took planning, that took
00:36:28.700organization. This convoy was different. This was organic. This was more ground level. I think
00:36:36.740that's part of what scared the state and the establishment so much about it. You can't see
00:36:40.720it coming. Nobody saw it coming. That's part of what's so infuriating with Tamara Leach.
00:36:45.320You look at statements from her, as Melanie was talking about on the news, there's videos out1.00
00:36:50.000there. She was constantly calling for peaceful protest. She's never been a known agitator.
00:36:55.680She's got no, to my knowledge, criminal records or anything like that behind her.0.66
00:36:59.740And she's locked up. They say she's a danger to society. She just wanted to start a fund up1.00
00:37:06.740initially that she felt was going to raise $10,000 or $100,000 to help the truckers convoy. And it
00:37:11.380snowballed into a massive movement, of course, where we got millions and millions of dollars
00:37:17.920donated and then seized and then held and then all of this craziness because again the state
00:37:23.220doesn't want to allow us to organize outside of what they feel is appropriate you're going to
00:37:27.860remember those those fundraising sites were shut down before the emergencies act was imposed so it
00:37:33.080does a couple of things for one i don't think they should have been able to pressure and shut
00:37:35.900them down but the government didn't need that hammer they didn't need that ability to cut things
00:37:41.900off they didn't need the emergencies act to do it but they still pursued it and got it you know
00:37:47.380some of the other absurdity going on out there. Honk honk. You know, if you go on social media,
00:37:52.340if you go on Twitter, you see a lot of people throwing that out there. God. And this actually,
00:37:56.660now we got liberal members of parliament. You got to remember, we have a prime minister who
00:38:00.080called a Jew a Nazi and hasn't apologized for it. He did. He literally did. Covered that the other
00:38:05.480week. That's how insane that man is and how stupid he is and how insensitive he is. So it's no1.00
00:38:11.780surprise when his own lackeys will go on and spread the other crap. So honk honk, people have0.99
00:38:18.060jokingly, you know, whenever Trudeau would tweet something or something, I did it. I'd tweet back
00:38:22.040at him, just honk honk. It's just my way of dismissing you, and I'm not thinking highly of
00:38:25.180you. And of course, it's referencing the honking of the horns in the trucker's convoy. Well,
00:38:30.740some 4chan thing or something hidden way down in the bowels of the internet. You know, if you dig
00:38:35.280in the bowels of the internet, you're going to find some nasty stuff. You always do. So you can
00:38:38.860find anything anywhere. So somebody found a 4chan reference or something. Let's say honk honk is
00:38:43.740actually code for hail Hitler. Come on. Fine. You know, you can see imbeciles throwing that out on0.70
00:38:49.880Twitter and all over the place out there. But to have a liberal member of parliament say that now,1.00
00:38:54.720really, this is our leadership. This is the person, one of the people who voted to determine
00:39:00.100whether or not to invoke the emergencies act upon Canadians to bring in martial law. And he calls
00:39:05.120honk, honk, a Hail Hitler thing. This is the level of discourse we've got going on in our government
00:39:11.740right now. And it's disturbing. These are the people now who control our lives and control our
00:39:16.820lives beyond what civil law protected us with. That's really frightening. These are shallow,
00:39:24.440tyrannical people. And you know, what was it? Let's talk about stupid Twitter accounts. How
00:39:28.860about Ed the Sock? For those old enough to remember, he was some sort of joking commentator
00:39:34.240on music videos, and he tried to get the Twitter army going because they're upset because people
00:39:38.040are calling Trudeau a tyrant. Look it up. Just like with martial law, guys, if you look at the
00:39:43.380definitions of what it is, it is a tyrant. It is a tyrancy right now, a tyranny. It fits the
00:39:50.180definitions. It's not an exaggerated word. The government has seized power over the people
00:39:54.020beyond democratic controls. That's the Emergency Act. So let's quit letting the establishment
00:39:59.240media and politicians try to sugarcoat this thing. It is serious. It's very serious. I kind of worry,
00:40:06.840you know, when I was talking to Andrew about that, if it just kind of comes and goes quietly,
00:40:10.740that a lot of Canadians think, oh, that wasn't so bad. Of course, they're not the ones who got
00:40:13.260locked up and had their property seized and their lives ruined. But this can't be let go as a minor
00:40:20.800thing. There's the text that Nico just pulled up, the text from the Emergency Act. Imposed,
00:40:26.020if it's something seriously endangers, the lives, health, or safety of Canadians in such proportions
00:40:30.240exceed the capacity of authority in the province. That never happened. It has not happened. But they
00:40:35.840got away with it anyway. So that means they can get away with it with a minor reason again in the
00:40:41.100future. And if they do, they will. Governments love power. They love control. That's what they're
00:40:46.640about. A person goes into politics to gain the ability to control other people. And now they
00:40:53.200have martial law in Canada. You know, some of the best coverage, like I said, with the New York
00:40:57.800Times is a left-wing publication. But some of our other best coverage has been from Fox News,
00:41:01.860because Canada's coverage has been crap. It's Pravda. And yeah, I traveled to the Soviet Union0.98
00:41:07.660back in 87. I got to see the control of information over there. There was a columnist
00:41:14.000who brought that up on Twitter and pointed it out, said, you know, I've never seen something
00:41:19.840like the CBC with how bad it's gotten where basically they just parrot what the government
00:41:23.800tells them to say. Bad enough we pay those guys one and a half billion a year, but they are a
00:41:31.160state broadcaster. They get so upset. Oh, there was one, what's her name? Dunn. She's a CBC
00:41:37.480journalist. He gets so mad when I kept calling her the state broadcaster and then the state
00:41:40.940broadcaster. That's not, we're a national broadcaster. No, you are a state broadcaster.
00:41:45.020You do as the government tells you, and it's showing in your writing and the garbage you're1.00
00:41:49.960feeding to Canadians. We've got to pay $1.5 billion a year to get misinformation and propaganda from0.98
00:41:55.760you clowns. We are in trouble. We're in trouble. Before I get to my next guest, as soon as he gets0.99
00:42:01.260in the lobby, I'm going to rip him into here. It'll be a little bit yet. I should speak to
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00:43:21.220in Calgary. Just to remind everybody, we put that stream out and yeah, I wrote on it. Oh,
00:43:27.240it was a gong show. Derek and I were running around like hammerheads, trying to find the
00:43:30.340right spot to get up there and film this thing and live stream it as it went by. I'm so glad
00:43:34.320we did though. I'll give it to Derek for getting on my case and getting us set up in the right spot.
00:43:38.340If you go to our YouTube channel, you'll see it up there. I don't know if you want to watch the
00:43:42.100whole 20 minutes, but to see that stream of thousands of people walking towards the truck
00:43:48.260chanting freedom, occasionally chanting Western Standard, we appreciated that support.
00:43:53.920But it was so positive. Like, you see, that's what we've got to cut through with the media
00:43:58.960narrative. You know, they'll always find the lone lunatic. When you get a few thousand people0.73
00:44:02.460together, you're going to get somebody extreme in the bunch. And if you search them out, you can
00:44:06.160try and paint the rest as being extreme. That was not happening. Everything was so positive,
00:44:10.400so upbeat, and so determined. And there was no damage. You know, a lot of past protests,
00:44:16.100when you have thousands of people walking by all those businesses like they did on 8th Avenue and
00:44:19.240all the way around, you'll get smashed windows, you get graffiti, you get thefts. It happens.
00:44:22.980Not with this. Not at all. It was all upbeat, enthusiastic. Eva took some fantastic pictures.
00:44:31.200If you look at the news on westernstandardonline.com, she wrote some great stories on it.
00:44:34.660and again, it was completely ignored by the mainstream media. They only want to pretend
00:44:39.380that there are violent, extreme protests happening across the country. They want to
00:44:45.360feed the narrative for the federal government to keep this emergency act going. We're in grave
00:44:49.860trouble. The other thing they've talked about is countering misinformation. Now think about C-11.
00:44:55.460That's the bill that the government wants to impose to control broadcasts. They want to control
00:45:00.100shows like this one which is now brings me up to a good time to remind you get on to rumble if
00:45:05.120you're uh you know if uh the only problem with rumble i have to admit comments don't work yet
00:45:10.040with our stream i can't see them when they come in but you can watch it at least subscribe on
00:45:13.020rumble rumble if you want to watch this show and other western standard things because
00:45:17.440you never know if we're going to get cancelled off of youtube or facebook on a whim we stream
00:45:21.280to all of them but rumble won't shut us down so if something happens you know where you can find
00:45:26.260us and if you hadn't subscribed on youtube and and facebook by all means please do that too
00:45:29.900Because you'll see these, when things break, when things happen, we've done that before when it happened in Coots, when it happened in Ottawa, and we have people on the ground, we will stream it as it happens. And you'll get that alert on your phone, on your computer, wherever it might be to say, hey, these guys are doing something live. I got to jump in there and have a look. So please do that, you know, because we've got to cut past the mainstream media narrative. If you only listen to them, you're going to get an incomplete picture. And it's not a good one. And it's serving the government. And as Nico's got it up there, yeah, you can follow me on Twitter. I can be a little nasty on there.
00:45:59.420that's fine, but that's where I vent. And I also share news items and things like that at Corey
00:46:02.780B. Morgan. And if you want to interact with me, I get more time to see the comments on there than
00:46:06.620on here when they're flying by, which is great. But yeah, we've got punishment going on. You know,
00:46:11.780somebody's Jade saying, feeling bad for the truckers being punished. It's just sickening.
00:46:14.900It is. Like I said, the protests are gone, but they're still chasing them. They're after them.
00:46:19.660They're hounding them. They're threatening them. And they're threatening anybody who supports them.
00:46:23.360This is unprecedented. Have we ever seen this before? Did we see anybody going out? Two years
00:46:30.640they've been protesting on the coastal gas link pipeline right now, threatening, getting violent.
00:46:36.700I mean, recently 20 of them, eco-terrorists attacked a work camp up there. Is the government
00:46:42.580threatening to chase them down? Is the government saying, we're going to find you, we're going to
00:46:45.980seize your money, we're going to seize the money of anybody who funded you guys,
00:46:49.040We're going to take your property. No, no, the cowardly government won't touch them.
00:46:53.280Caledonia, they've had an illegal occupation going on there for something like 10 years.
00:46:57.740Government's not going there. They're not talking about seizing property there.
00:47:02.120Why? For one, it'd be more trouble it's worth to them because there's a hornet's nest out there
00:47:06.320in Caledonia. That'd be another roll cut. But for another thing, it doesn't feed the government's
00:47:10.980narrative. It doesn't feed what they want to see. And that's control of anything. You know,
00:47:15.360So this turns right and left. Unfortunately, to a degree, some of it comes to that. Most of the people in these marches and these protests tend to be conservative minded thinkers. Why is that? It's not this fake movement of white supremacy by any means. I'm getting sick of that, you know, and all of that trash trying to dismiss citizens getting up and standing up for themselves.
00:47:36.720The difference is conservative-minded people want to be left alone.0.91
00:47:41.600They just want to make their own decisions and their own choices.
00:47:45.720People who have that left-leaning mindset, they're comfortable with government control.
00:47:58.780And that's why they are happy with seeing these protests shut down.
00:48:01.920I mean, it should be all about personal choice and medical safety.
00:48:05.620but instead it really has turned to do a left-right thing and that's the basis of it though that's the
00:48:09.580mindset that conservative-minded people and libertarian-minded people are saying just just
00:48:14.080get out of my hair let me choose people like me and I know I'll watch the comments there's somebody
00:48:17.760gets mad every time I say but yes I chose to get vaccinated and I don't regret it but I want to
00:48:22.320make sure everybody has a choice they have to have a choice that's the integral part that's
00:48:27.220what's got me worked up and people should be allowed to say no they shouldn't be demonized
00:48:31.540shamed, chased out of their workplace. They shouldn't be banned from travel. They shouldn't
00:48:35.800have their children banned from going to sporting events. They shouldn't be banned from even going
00:48:39.920to restaurants. But that's what's been happening. That choice has been taken out of their hands.
00:48:44.740Now, conservative-minded people have a problem with that. Socialists? Eh, well, if the government
00:48:50.540tells me, I'm all right with it. Okay, I think you guys have heard enough of me ranting for a little
00:48:55.580while. I'm going to bring somebody in with some more nuanced thought and commentary on this whole
00:48:59.460thing we've got our guest michael johns in the lobby let's pull him into the stream and get
00:49:04.200another perspective hi uh there michael how's it going down there well it's a struggle but let me
00:49:10.960just say it's a it's a great honor to be back with you and nice to talk to you again it's been a while
00:49:15.140yeah i appreciate it i believe it was last summer we had you on for a little while and that's when
00:49:18.660our show was really just in its its formative uh place we we shut it down for a while and we've
00:49:22.920rebooted and uh our quality and audience are much better than they used to be so i appreciate you're
00:49:28.340coming back to talk to us today. Yeah, you know, I've had an opportunity to speak with your,
00:49:33.200I don't want to call them colleagues at the CBC. And I have to say of all of the global media
00:49:39.380outlets, I don't think I've ever seen more closed mindedness of any media outlet in the world. And
00:49:46.940so when I look at Canada, it's so essential that conservative voices be heard and that you have
00:49:55.640mediums through which to present them and you know look this uh there is no there's never
00:50:03.320been a political consensus in canada behind trudeau or the liberal party uh and it's it's
00:50:09.400eroding rapidly um don't just you know my guidance really to all the people of canada is don't just
00:50:17.320allow that to happen realize that you have to be proactive in your leadership and offer solutions
00:50:22.680and that's why uh i'm impressed but not surprised to see the great leadership that's been coming out
00:50:28.680uh with this trucker convoy up there and uh which is you know against all the odds because it's
00:50:34.520being misrep misrepresented and uh the crackdown on it is is utterly absurd and uh anti-democratic
00:50:41.880in my view yeah well that's where i appreciate your voice because you've got of course a deep
00:50:46.200experience in in challenging the establishment and in organizing with the means you have at
00:50:51.400at your disposal to see how you can make change with with what's there democratically and that's
00:50:56.740what you did with the tea party like when the protests whenever this gets settled in canada
00:51:00.560and us being now under martial law who knows what's gonna happen in the weeks to come but
00:51:05.280eventually it will be settled where where do canadians go right as you said there is no
00:51:10.520consensus i mean even in the election trudeau only got 30 some percent of the vote yeah i mean
00:51:14.600That's incredible. I mean, you know, under 40% at the high point of his popularity. And, you know, the frustration that I hear from really, you know, the people of Canada is the fact that the great concerns of day-to-day Canadians are just, it's not even like they're being addressed poorly.
00:51:38.280they're not even being addressed period and a large part of that just seems to be trudeau's
00:51:44.920unwillingness to um realize the role of political leadership like for instance when you say i'm
00:51:50.760challenging the establishment my my view has always been well no i mean i'm like doing my
00:51:56.680best to bring to the attention of policy makers and to our government on federal and state and
00:52:02.920local levels the concerns that the people have now you that's been called populism but to me
00:52:08.760that's inseparable from democracy because if we're not doing that what exactly are we doing
00:52:13.880you know we're either we're either surrendering leadership to a number of all-knowing elites in
00:52:19.960your case with trudeau a guy who's literally never worked to the best of my knowledge outside of
00:52:25.640government you know born into a political family with a head of state father and he spent his
00:52:31.640entire career you know more or less in these auto political circles i don't care you take the best
00:52:37.160of p of people with the best of intentions and let me just be generous and say maybe he
00:52:42.440you know was that or is that even is that you're not experiencing the totality of the political
00:52:50.760culture that you're being charged with addressing and i think that's the frustration that i see
00:52:56.600not just in the western provinces where it's boiling over but throughout Canada of a government
00:53:04.680that you know ostensibly is democratic but is not operating in democratic means.
00:53:10.280Yeah well there's some irony in that you know they love throwing out the term that
00:53:14.840we're privileged and we don't understand we're privileged progressives like using that
00:53:18.600but I can't think of too many people in Canada who have born and raised and grown into a world
00:53:23.000of privilege more so than justin trudeau i i can't even fault him for that hey you're born
00:53:27.640into what you are it's not like i he should have left the family as a pauper to get some life
00:53:31.880experience but he's never been outside of that cloistered world yeah no look i mean i've worked
00:53:37.720for uh at least two elected political officials who were very much from political families and
00:53:43.640i do understand how beneficial that can be and how it can be inspiring to lead
00:53:49.640you know the next generation into it but the concern with trudeau is given the option between
00:53:59.160sort of hobnobbing with this davos set of global leaders forcing these unpopular
00:54:08.760extreme very extreme i don't want to call them climate measures they're really
00:54:13.560financial redistribution schemes onto the people of Canada decimating your country's energy needs
00:54:21.380and now acting in ways that are really not at all supported by any scientific basis
00:54:29.220and are hurting people, right? Hurting children in school, hurting
00:54:37.740um people with vaccines one of the you know on the i don't we shouldn't call it a vaccine really
00:54:44.800i mean that's we have to get our arms around the lingo we're going to get more proactive on this
00:54:49.200whole issue but even even just on a clinical basis um these are uh you know unusual
00:54:58.680you know sort of inoculations i mean and and i i i'm troubled and even as someone who's
00:55:07.320defended and continues to defend pharmaceutical innovation has worked in the profession
00:55:12.760that we're not being up front with people about what this is it really was forced on people
00:55:20.920and uh let's be honest i mean what are the long-term ramifications of this
00:55:27.240i mean if these companies tell you they have any sense of understanding what that what they are
00:55:33.480they're you know they're just contriving that you don't know until you know and we already have had
00:55:38.360this is a point i've made the united states sadly this this extraordinary effort to document every
00:55:45.640single case of covid and every covid uh death and in my view there's a good chance both of those
00:55:52.120have been inflated because we put in place hospital and and health care incentives for
00:55:58.280them to declare these cases they mean they were rewarded financially for treating these patients
00:56:02.760So, you know, maybe I'm wrong and every single institution has, you know, been above board on that, but the meticulousness that's gone into collecting and documenting these cases and the deaths has not been met on the other side, but documenting the clinical incidents related to these so-called vaccines.
00:56:25.440And my question is simply, look, I mean, maybe that documentation would actually be reassuring
00:56:30.000to those who haven't gone through the process, or maybe it would be troubling to them.
00:56:34.860But it's certainly information that is available and yet is being denied in the United States
00:56:40.120and in Canada, those who are trying to make an educated healthcare decision on this.
00:56:45.280And I think that's part of the frustration that's also motivated this trucker convoy.
00:56:50.940And let me say, I'm with these truckers.
00:56:54.640i don't you know i want to reiterate and i've just done this repeatedly since my engagement
00:56:59.520in particularly grassroots populism about avoiding violence uh not just because it's illegal not just
00:57:07.760because it's going to hurt people but also because it's never beneficial to us politically um and i
00:57:14.320think it's going to be difficult because we're dealing with opposition forces now that really
00:57:21.520don't have compelling political ideas they're really not even pretending to be engaged in this
00:57:26.560battle of ideas that i think drives those of us on our side this is to them like everything's a
00:57:33.040street brawl you know and um we've got 38 i don't know if you've heard the latest in the united
00:57:38.880states 38 000 truckers launching a convoy out of los angeles that is scheduled to arrive they're
00:57:47.120They're not going into Washington, D.C.
00:57:49.060They're going to stop along the way in Arizona and Ohio.
00:57:53.180I suspect maybe they add a few other stops between now and then.
00:57:58.560And then they're going to go all the way up to Hagerstown, Maryland, which is kind of part of greater Washington, D.C., and get there just about in time for Biden's State of the Union address in early March.
00:58:13.320Yeah, I was going to ask you about that, actually, because we had heard rumblings about it.
00:58:16.820Now, do you feel, I mean, you guys, the Americans have a much stronger basis of protecting the citizens from government.
00:58:25.440I mean, it's entrenched much more in your constitution.
00:58:28.200It's because you were, yes, and you were born of revolution.
00:58:31.940You know, it was, there was a mistrust of the state right off the bat.
00:58:35.660Unfortunately, in Canada, we kind of just evolved out of a monarchy.
00:58:38.840So the parliament system might have been an improvement over the feudal system, but it hasn't entrenched that respect for the ability of individuals.
00:58:45.880snowballing. I mean, this is part of my message in the United States about, you know, with me
00:58:50.660taking great liberty to speak on the behalf of Canadians, is to sort of say that look at my
00:58:55.960interaction with Canadians, with the people, right? Not with this Trudeau governing crowd,
00:59:02.920that the frustrations are growing and that we're underestimating the commitment to liberty and
00:59:10.800sensibility and to populist opposition that I believe is a very constructive development.
00:59:19.840And, you know, while you and I spoke and I continue to believe that this continues to
00:59:24.460build in Alberta and Saskatchewan and other Western provinces, it's a countrywide phenomenon.
00:59:34.820and it's a positive thing because if you're going to get the country back on a right track
00:59:41.540you can't rely on this elite that has let's be honest alternative agendas they're not
00:59:49.060particularly concerned about how the people that they were elected to represent view what they're
00:59:54.740doing they're much more concerned about their fellow elites around the world the financial
01:00:00.820opportunities will emerge for them after they leave office and all of the incentives are
01:00:06.660structured in ways that are a disincentive to do what an elected democratic free nation
01:00:13.300should be do be doing and that is representing the will of the people and when the people
01:00:17.940by the way are not in line with what a government wants to do the obligation is to shut them down
01:00:24.500violently like it's being done in Canada and to some extent and in other ways it's been done in
01:00:31.460the United States with famously the targeting of the Tea Party movement by the IRS for one first
01:00:38.740times in American history we extracted an apology from a federal government agency.
01:00:45.860You need to persuade the American people and that's always been my position in government too
01:00:51.380is that, you know, the trust of the people in the government is one that's two-way communication.
01:00:59.300Government has to hear the people. And if government doesn't agree with the people,
01:01:03.500and it's going to try to take the policy direction and, you know, an alternative route, then you have
01:01:09.300to convince the people. And this is what's frustrating. This is what's driving this outrage.
01:01:14.460and and you know in europe in australia in new zealand in latin america in the united states
01:01:22.940and in your country of canada literally all around the world is the fact that governments
01:01:28.060are not taking the effort to try to be persuasive um and i think you know for sure gotten up there
01:01:33.980and sort of you know given a very carefully developed statistically laden and empathetic
01:01:41.180uh presentation and appealed to people he would have got a much better response in trying to force
01:01:48.540this sort of down their throat without that kind of deliberation and then i you know and then just
01:01:53.660you know my my sense even with you know his the house of commons and his engagement there it's
01:01:59.660just it's not a responsive one then that's not good government you know no not at all i mean
01:02:05.340i respond better to reason than somebody running in with putting a gun to my head and telling me
01:02:09.020me to do something and there perhaps could have been a lot more reason they could have tried and
01:02:12.820they wouldn't have had this but now that it has happened the mistrust has grown the convoy is gone
01:02:17.460I think it's made a mark as it's inspired things in the states and I'm very excited in watching
01:02:21.320that grow but where do you think we go now I mean I'm in the west and I know where our thoughts tend
01:02:25.960to go and that goes towards uh back to the pursuit of western independence because it looks like the
01:02:29.740system is broken I mean the citizens can be shut down by force of uh by force literally if they
01:02:35.500push back and what else are we supposed to do well um that's really the ultimate question isn't it
01:02:43.900but i think you know i will say that you know is this 38 000 convoy coming out of california
01:02:50.140going to be nothing or is it going to be a defining moment i'm leaning much more toward
01:02:55.300it being a defining moment i don't know how this administration and our law enforcement
01:03:02.000and federal law enforcement will respond to it i will tell you that as of today literally in the
01:03:06.800last 24 hours sort of news here the um the the fencing protection of the united states capital
01:03:16.560which in the view in my view and in the view of many was left up entirely too long as a point
01:03:22.720of political symbolism not as any legitimate reaction to a to any threat to the capital
01:03:29.040after january 6 has is being restructured and and re and put back up and again it's sort of the
01:03:38.320they're very the others the others let me put biden and trudeau in the same sort of category
01:03:45.040just for the purposes of simplicity here no they're not the same these guys are very good
01:03:49.280at political symbolism and in political maneuvers and in the operational components of american
01:03:56.160politics all of those functions are ultimately not terribly beneficial to the people because
01:04:03.280the people benefit with the policy you know the objections that are emerging on mass particularly
01:04:09.760as it relates to young children isn't is totally justified and understandable not supported at all
01:04:18.320uh clinically and you know i go back and i think we just need to keep pushing this out
01:04:23.760even in the united states with fauci's early interview on 60 minutes where he down played
01:04:30.000masks and their their uh clinical functionality and utility in the case of um you know it's just
01:04:37.840like their positions change and now they're changing again by the way on our state level
01:04:42.320in the united states because they see basically the opposition that's emerging and the clock is
01:04:48.000ticking toward a 22 um you know midterm election where they are positioned in my view for one of
01:04:55.200the biggest clockings in american history i mean i'm talking about 100 seat 90 100 seat
01:05:02.000clocking presuming that we can have a free and fair election down here
01:05:06.320and now all of a sudden you know they're gonna they're gonna try to say hey the science is
01:05:10.640changing and we're gonna uh we'll be a little more liberalized on this but no science has changed
01:05:16.080it's really these decisions have been hugely politicized almost every one of them under the
01:05:21.520biden administration and trudeau has been you know an extraordinary offender of that as well sadly
01:05:29.200yeah well i'm really you know hoping again i mean as you said you're looking with optimism
01:05:33.120i mean our truckers convoy started with just a couple hundred out in the west by the time it
01:05:36.960got to ottawa wow it had expanded and snowballed into something massive and there's definitely
01:05:41.840that potential to happen with yours down south and uh you know our my biggest fear now too though
01:05:46.800is communication it's getting information out as you said our cbc is just something else and we
01:05:52.880have a bill i don't know if you'd heard about that up in canada they they took it off the table
01:05:57.040because the election got called last fall and then they brought it back it's called c11 and
01:06:01.200they're looking to control digital media this is the national emergency legislation this isn't even
01:06:08.800related to that this was something they're going for even before that and uh they're
01:06:13.920i was just looking at the on the on the national emergency legislation on the house of commons vote
01:06:18.240and 185 to 151. it's not exactly overwhelming support in the house comments you can see
01:06:25.520how you know so if you've been engaged you know whether you were in the trucking uh the trucker
01:06:31.680convoy and and opposition or whether you've been involved in other political opposition to trudeau
01:06:38.000and you're you're if maybe you're frustrated and thinking you're losing you're not losing
01:06:42.880i mean you you can see that the the metrics on this i would cite this house of commons vote
01:06:49.680are beginning to reflect the mounting opposition and the public opposition that is emerging and
01:06:56.080that's basically what our design is you know and again to reiterate not accomplishing anything
01:07:03.760which is difficult and to avoid sometimes in this heated political climate with any violence
01:07:10.640but when the people see that others share their sentiments they feel much more liberated to join
01:07:18.560in them it's almost a psychological process that i think they go through and this is going on all
01:07:23.200over the world right now where people are sort of housed up and they're facing all the ramifications
01:07:28.320of overreactions and questions as it relates to china's communist party and their culpability in
01:07:34.720this why we're not being more assertive about it what's going on you know i mean that's the
01:07:39.440big question in the united states in my view what's the motivation i don't believe it's
01:07:43.200incompetence and i i don't like our side describing as that seems by design and the
01:07:50.080frustration is just to kind of you know pull the comforter over your head and hope for the best
01:07:56.000and that my best message to everyone is no don't do that uh but also don't work in isolation this
01:08:05.680one of the reasons we're very and you were saying i think i heard your commentary right before i
01:08:08.880came on about how individualism is driving force among conservatives that certainly is absolutely
01:08:14.640true um it's also not a tactic that that is most effective in in any political dynamic it's one
01:08:24.720of the reasons i think that we have had such substantial losses of uh you know major institutions
01:08:31.920over the last few decades you know which were observed we in the united states we won more
01:08:36.320elections than we we lost our side but we were losing the country well why is that in my view
01:08:41.440it's a leadership problem on our side and we need to look at ourselves because controlling and fixing
01:08:47.040our own side um even if there's not an inclination among some to do that you have to do it if you
01:08:54.560it's that's the easier fix because you are not going to convince a justin trudeau or a joe biden
01:09:04.080out of the blue that somehow they're misguided in their outlook this is very carefully
01:09:09.280deliberated positions that they've developed and they hold them very adamantly yeah well
01:09:14.080in conservatives i think one of our biggest flaws is we tend to eat our own i mean we're
01:09:17.680we're terrible infighters but there's nothing harder nothing harder to organize than an
01:09:21.760individualist so it's just against our very nature to march and lockstep but we have to fix this
01:09:28.000part of it okay and and what i will tell you and this certainly is one of the biggest lessons to
01:09:32.160come out of the tea party movement is no one on on that original founding call in february of 2009
01:09:39.680never felt that we would inspire tens of literally tens of millions of americans to become politically
01:09:45.680involved most of these people even hadn't even been involved historically uh largest grassroots
01:09:50.880independent grassroots political movement uh in the current in american history uh but people
01:09:56.800were looking for it and once they realized that they were not alone in the way that they were
01:10:02.240looking at things they felt much more liberated to get involved because i think many people in
01:10:09.840isolation feel that they're in a distinct minority they're like well look this government's all
01:10:16.960knowing and they're taking in a certain direction and we're not seeing any public opposition
01:10:21.760and the sense is that maybe you have fallen out of line with uh the broader political sentiments
01:10:28.560of your country's people but that's almost never the case if you instinctually feel that your
01:10:33.840government's moving in the wrong direction in particular if you're feeling financially or
01:10:39.360socially or in any other capacity the ramifications of that the chances are there's a lot of other
01:10:45.040people that are feeling the exact same way but you're never going to know it until you engage
01:10:50.000in in a very uh unified uh public way yeah well that gives some seeds of hope and i'm glad to
01:10:56.240hear that because something that was also inspiring out of the truckers convoys and
01:10:59.360talking to people involved within that was again most of them probably were never politically
01:11:03.760involved before like these were people who again were comfortable just staying at home and avoiding
01:11:07.760it but they felt compelled they'd had enough it's time to get up and do something they don't know
01:11:11.840how even they just they found this and they went with it and they're not going to stop now i mean
01:11:15.680the convoy is not gone that's my my best advice season hopefully pre-season advice here is even
01:11:22.880despite you know the reaction uh be inspired by this i mean the canadian truckers have inspired
01:11:31.120the world in a lot of ways i mean this this is a global story everyone knows about it and it's
01:11:38.640been viewed generally positively by the people as okay here finally are these people that have
01:11:44.960had enough and you know in their personal cases i mean ponder the absurdity of wearing them
01:11:49.840when they were literally having to wear masks as they were driving trucks right i mean come on i
01:11:55.200mean it would you find me any public health expert who says that that is uh clinically
01:12:02.400justifiable i would like to speak with them about that i mean that's just over the top and their
01:12:07.920reaction is entirely justified um in fact i hope that they'll record they're coordinating closely
01:12:13.920with the california-based convoy that's about ready to launch in the united states 38 000 a lot
01:12:19.360of trucks and like you correctly said i think it will be joined along the way and this could be a
01:12:24.640real defining moment you know setting up um you know major opposition momentum to this administration
01:12:33.840in the united states and in my view they have no safety net on their uh political popularity uh
01:12:40.400unlike previous administrations and biden is collapsing you see it in independence where
01:12:45.600i mean he's into the 30s now and um there's probably no no safety net as far as how far
01:12:53.440he could fall. Unlike Obama and Trump, they might've been controversial with their opponents,
01:12:58.480but they always kind of had that, you know, 40% base support in the United States that would
01:13:03.600stand by them. There's none of that for this administration. And why would there be?
01:13:07.920They've literally done nothing positive for the country in 13 months.
01:13:14.320Yeah. Well, I really, like yourself, I'm hoping this turns into something huge. It certainly did
01:13:19.920did in Canada and I don't see why it won't down there and again that would inspire people back
01:13:24.420and forth up here I mean we're more unified as North Americans than we've seen in a long time
01:13:28.860so I really appreciate you coming on with me today where can we follow you and keep up with
01:13:34.940what you're doing and just keep up with the states in general yeah thanks Corey I'm on just about
01:13:41.060everything Twitter with my name one word Michael Johns on Facebook Michael Johns Tea Party have a
01:13:49.540group now on Facebook that provides conservative and liberty-minded content to activists under
01:13:56.460my name, Michael Johns, which is worth joining. And I'm on all of the emerging purportedly
01:14:03.440conservative-friendly alternative sites. My advice on this whole thing is to not give
01:14:09.200up on the established ones. No need to retreat. We need to resolve any concerns we have there.
01:14:18.580we're not going to advance the cause just by
01:14:21.400walking away from it, though we never should have ended up
01:14:23.500in this position. I mean, it's just another example