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00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 good morning march 21st 2022 a lot of those number twos coming along again welcome to triggered 0.86

00:00:39.620 i'm cory morgan i hope you all had a good weekend i know i did i went out and bought some bees and

00:00:46.000 then i uh attended some protests in downtown beltline area calgary i mean what better way to

00:00:51.580 spend some nice warm weather out there uh we can look forward to lots of reports of me getting

00:00:56.480 stung head to toe as i take on that bee hobby but we won't have the hive live for another month and

00:01:01.340 change so this is the western standards daily live show we come to you monday to friday 11 30 a.m

00:01:07.600 mountain standard time and uh being live we invite those questions guys questions comments back and

00:01:13.120 forth i do have as a guest today or i had john john charay he will be it will be a recorded

00:01:19.100 interview that does run a little later in the show i couldn't get him on live it's hard with

00:01:23.180 these contenders and so on, just like with Mr. Paliyev to get the scheduling with live. But it

00:01:28.960 was good to get a chance to talk to him for about 15 minutes today and answer some questions. It's

00:01:33.360 seven candidates in that race. So it's going to be a hotly contested one, obviously, and a lot of

00:01:41.000 people going into it. So we're going to try and talk to every leadership candidate in the bunch,

00:01:45.260 and it's going all the way until September. So we'll probably hear from them more than once.

00:01:49.180 And then Melanie Riston's going to come in. She had a very interesting weekend there and got some great footage taking care of the protests and managed to get herself kicked by a gentleman riding on a horse. Life is always interesting when you head down to these kinds of events and things happen in unexpected ways. So we'll talk to Melanie about that. She's going to come in and we will discuss that.

00:02:09.140 So I'm going to get on my usual rant for the day and this is something else. It was some great

00:02:16.040 online drama and soap opera to watch. It was towards the end of the day on Friday and some

00:02:22.400 people sent some links and said holy cow did you see what happened on Ryan Jesperson's show? I said

00:02:26.320 no you know we had to watch that and wow this was something else. So for those who don't know Ryan

00:02:31.280 Jesperson has a daily live show. It runs in Edmonton and it's essentially a left-wing version of what

00:02:36.680 my show here is actually if we're to be fair we can call my show maybe a classical liberal version

00:02:41.240 of his this show was created first after all to be fair there i usually don't bring up competing

00:02:46.920 outlets but we have some special circumstances going on here i mean jesperson's been less than

00:02:51.800 flattering of myself and the western standard on social media on his show on occasion so as far as

00:02:56.520 i'm concerned the gloves are off we can we can snipe at each other for the moment ryan jesperson's

00:03:01.240 show, which normally runs, you know, it's similar to this. It's live. It runs weekdays. It's down.

00:03:07.400 It's shut down for the moment. They've canceled themselves. I don't know if or when it's coming

00:03:11.540 back. Their site just says it's taking a break and they'll be back later. So we'll see what

00:03:16.760 happens. Now, this is all over a minor incident last week on his show when he had a debate with

00:03:21.300 one of his producers on the air that festered for two days until she had a brutal open meltdown 1.00

00:03:26.400 right in the middle of the show. She interrupted his show just before he's about to have guests on,

00:03:30.000 demanded that he condemn some other lefty who had irked her on social media on Twitter,

00:03:34.300 and then she stormed out of the studio. 1.00

00:03:36.680 It was an incredibly unprofessional scene.

00:03:39.560 But if you like dark comedy and awkward moments,

00:03:41.900 search it out, Ryan Jesperson, and check out his shows from last Thursday and Friday.

00:03:46.920 I doubt Jesperson even knew what he did wrong,

00:03:50.700 and still he didn't know when he pinned a groveling apology on his Twitter account

00:03:55.200 and recorded a video apology to her.

00:03:57.360 It was a knee-jerk reaction, but that's what the woke do,

00:04:00.000 and as usual, it failed. Lesson number one when you're dealing with the woke mob,

00:04:04.720 never apologize. It only empowers them, and it's never enough. We could already see by the responses

00:04:10.560 from people that the mob isn't accepting Jesperson's apology for daring to contradict

00:04:14.400 a woman on his staff. The most complimentary responses I could see to his sniveling apologies

00:04:19.840 was, it's a start, now the mob owns him. Now, Jesperson likely didn't realize this because

00:04:26.320 he's a charter member of the woke mob himself. Jesperson danced on the career grave of Don Cherry

00:04:31.920 when Cherry was cancelled for talking about those people when he talked about immigrants.

00:04:36.240 And then Jesperson was later kicked off his own radio show in Edmonton for a comment he made about

00:04:40.400 monkeys which to be fair was unfairly framed as a purposeful racial comment. I've never seen

00:04:45.200 Jesperson demonstrate racism but when the mob comes for you you lose and Jesperson lost.

00:04:50.480 Cherry was cancelled his sidekick Ron McClain silently let that happen. McClain was

00:04:56.000 subsequently swarmed and his career pretty much finished over an inadvertent comment that was

00:05:00.640 considered a gay slur by the woke mob mclean apologized again and discovered like so many

00:05:06.240 the mob is unforgiving appeasement that term as you know according to churchill is feeding the

00:05:11.440 crocodile and hoping it eats you last and those words of wisdom apply to the woke mob mob is

00:05:17.360 nowhere near done with jesperson yet and it's still not even easy to tell exactly what he did

00:05:24.080 so i i went back and i had to go back and it was on thursday with ryan's show

00:05:28.800 and uh towards the end of their show they they had a discussion him and his two producers over

00:05:34.560 uh some guy named captain kobe i guess he's a uh twitter personality and and on uh tick tock

00:05:41.600 and he gained a lot of following while he was uh very much mocking and making fun of the the

00:05:46.000 convoy protests in ottawa and such so he got a large left-wing following but then kobe i guess

00:05:52.320 is fundraising, and he wants to travel across the country and interview people with this new

00:05:56.640 platform of his, and he wants to talk to indigenous people and get their stories, he says. Well,

00:06:01.940 Jesperson's producer, Sarah, you know, she also, of course, has the appropriate gender pronouns in

00:06:09.160 her profiles and says she's a settler. Well, that's upsetting. And to a lot of other woke

00:06:13.220 people, it was upsetting. This Captain Kobe guy, because, and they say it outright, and Sarah says

00:06:17.660 it outright, his producer and others. He's a white man. He has no place interviewing and talking to

00:06:22.740 First Nations people. He shouldn't even be so bold as to dare go out and do that. It went into this 1.00

00:06:28.700 weird, bizarre conversation, and it got quite heated. And they went on about the Kardashians

00:06:33.200 and how we have people with, you know, small brains with large social media followings and

00:06:37.480 how they shouldn't have them. I don't know how you stop them. Jesperson, again, was being kind

00:06:41.820 of reasonable. In some ways, he was saying, just block and move on. You don't have to follow these

00:06:46.160 people. You don't have to watch these people. And I guess, well, there was a couple of things that

00:06:50.980 happened. You know, Jane told me about that. I wasn't paying attention, but one of the things

00:06:54.380 during that debate was Jesperson did step on his producer, Sarah, a couple of times. He interrupted

00:06:58.780 a few times. He talked over her a few times. And of course, as those of us have been married,

00:07:02.960 we do understand and we don't see the warning signs. I'm as oblivious as Jesperson. 1.00

00:07:07.720 And when you can watch this movie and you already know the ending, you can see Sarah getting more

00:07:13.580 more upset and he's not having a clue that what's going on what's happening and how she's getting

00:07:17.540 ready to explode didn't see the warning signs I mean at one point she basically said a version of

00:07:21.120 fine okay everybody who's been with a woman before knows when they say fine it means anything but 0.84

00:07:25.340 so this built and built and then Thursday morning Friday morning the next day this still goes on

00:07:32.020 and they're still all upset and they have another 10 minute discussion whatever he gets on to the

00:07:37.300 next guest he thought it was calm and as I said in the afternoon suddenly before he's about to have

00:07:43.000 a guest she blows up hijacks his show goes off on a just a rage stomps out of the studio 1.00

00:07:50.620 and uh the rest well we're seeing his history in the making we don't know if and when his show is

00:07:55.600 going to come back over all of this those paintings you can see in the background behind

00:07:58.860 sarah there that the picture was being shown those are actually donated by an artist who was putting

00:08:02.860 them up on the walls that artist has since put up a sanctimonious letter saying uh i want my art back

00:08:08.080 I can't support this show. He said it in a polite way, but even that's getting pulled down. And of

00:08:13.240 course, you know, being so virtue signaling, which is what the woke do, he had to make sure to pin 0.98

00:08:16.820 that up there in a big open letter while he's at it. So, I mean, Jesperson's people is following

00:08:21.780 his woke mob. It shows how quickly they will turn on you in a second. If you cross those lines,

00:08:28.100 joining them doesn't make you immune, guys. And Ryan, this will be your second career cancellation

00:08:32.680 going on. And for what? For what? For next to nothing. A bit of a blow up in a studio.

00:08:38.900 I mean, you have things. You have workplaces. You have things that go on. You know,

00:08:42.880 if I guess if Nico and I had a dispute and a big fight, you know, we would probably talk about it

00:08:47.640 off the air and iron it out. Or he'd beat me up or whatever. But we wouldn't have a blow up in

00:08:52.600 the middle of the show. She should have been fired. Not apologized to. It wasn't completely

00:08:57.320 unprofessional, but that's his show. Hey, do what you want. We'll see how that goes. You know,

00:09:03.540 we don't need to go out of our way to be offensive, but we have to stop trying to

00:09:06.700 feed the cancel mob. They're moving from person to person, career to career. They're heartless,

00:09:12.080 self-righteous, and tireless once they start swarming. Their hateful hunger for the blood

00:09:16.700 of the unworthy is insatiable, and they'll never hesitate to eat their own, as we're seeing with 0.99

00:09:21.040 Jesperson. There's only one defense that works with the mob. That's to ignore them, block them,

00:09:26.380 and move on. There's another way it's put. I think I've seen a meme. Just like a dog,

00:09:30.020 once you've done some business in the yard, kick a bit of grass on it and move on.

00:09:35.480 Now the mob owns Jesperson. If that show does get going again, and if Sarah is still in the room

00:09:42.060 with them, it is now Sarah's show, no matter what the name of the show is. It's the Ryan,

00:09:45.400 you know, real talk with Ryan Jesperson. No, it's Sarah's show because she'll own him. 0.97

00:09:49.240 She'll own the show. The mob will own them. And eventually Sarah will say something wrong, 0.99

00:09:52.940 and they're going to turn on her and cancel her too. And it's, it's, it's really sad because

00:09:57.340 alternative media left and right is growing and shows like Jesperson are important to have that

00:10:02.420 other point of view and discussion platform. But if they're going to go into that crazed

00:10:05.640 cancel culture woke mob, they deserve what they've fostered. That's how I'm starting the week off.

00:10:12.080 We'll keep watching that schmozzle as it develops throughout the week. So let's check in. We've got 0.75

00:10:16.560 a whole lot of news actually to cover this week too. So I'm going to bring Dave into studio here.

00:10:20.520 Hey, there's Dave Naylor. How's it going, Dave?

00:10:23.540 Good morning, Corey. Yeah, I think you're right. I'd sure pick Nico in a fight.

00:10:28.140 Yeah, no, I'm pretty marshmallow soft. I hope it doesn't come to that at any point.

00:10:33.240 Did Jane have fun at the protests on the weekend?

00:10:36.200 As much fun as she would. Jane's a good sport and likes getting out, but it's not her game. 1.00

00:10:41.360 So credit due for her putting up with me and my ventures.

00:10:45.440 Good. All right, well, we've got an incredible amount of news already posted this morning.

00:10:50.520 Corey. Our new parliamentary bureau down in Ottawa is now operating on full steam. And we've

00:10:57.760 welcomed Christopher Oldcorn today. He's now our man in Saskatchewan. He's based full-time in

00:11:04.760 Regina. So we've already got, like I said, a dozen stories up. And that's the benefit of having

00:11:11.540 people working in different time zones. Leading off the website right now is a story on the

00:11:18.720 federal employers have launched a review of vaccine mandates. This is when anybody employed

00:11:25.820 by a federal corporation had to be vaccinated. And almost 1,100 people refused to join in. And

00:11:34.160 they were going to maybe get their jobs back because it's being reviewed. Speaking of which,

00:11:40.560 CNRL has lifted their vaccine policy. Big controversy last year when they first brought

00:11:47.980 it in lots of lawsuits launched well guess what they've uh they've suddenly stopped and reversed

00:11:55.260 uh cp rail of course on strike 3 000 teamsters making the news uh our new uh saskatchewan guy

00:12:02.860 old corn has got a story up on how it's going to affect saskatchewan specifically and uh they're

00:12:08.700 they're big on grain and potash there of course so that could be uh problematic uh rachel down

00:12:15.980 in ottawa has done a national overlook story on how negotiations are going and how we came to

00:12:22.780 this situation amanda's got a story on a new report showing that canada is an absolute haven

00:12:29.340 for money laundering basically because of weak federal government laws people are starting to

00:12:35.740 realize that hey bring your money here and you'll be good as gold i remember years ago the feds

00:12:42.620 brought in a oil spill plan that was supposedly the best in the world. Well, guess what? It's

00:12:49.480 not, and it's barely mediocre. So Matt Harwood has got a story out on that from Ottawa. The

00:13:00.160 eighth candidate has entered the Tory leadership race. MP Dalton has made the announcement

00:13:07.960 yesterday on Twitter. And speaking of races, your former guest there, Cory, Mr. El Nega

00:13:15.320 has entered the race officially. The National Newspaper Awards have taken the name off one

00:13:23.520 of their sports writing awards because of the background of the Globe writer that it

00:13:29.680 was named after. He used to refer to Indigenous women as squaws. And so they've stripped him

00:13:36.880 of his name and customs agents at Canadian airports, Corey, could soon be packing pistols

00:13:44.660 due to the proliferation of organized crime within Canadian airports and they think they

00:13:52.560 should have guns to help them deal with it. 0.89

00:13:55.220 So we've got that.

00:13:57.400 I know I'm not going to steal Mel's thunder from your show coming up, but we'll have a

00:14:04.340 good exclusive uh uh out of that uh coming up uh later on today so all that already and lots more

00:14:10.860 to come corey right on dave thanks yeah there was a boy quite a load of uh news to kick off

00:14:16.320 uh the week here as i said with these new reporters popping up all across the country for us we're

00:14:21.220 really uh filling up the standards so thanks for the update no worries talk to you later talk to

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00:16:30.180 take control of your money all right before we get to mail let's look at some of these comments

00:16:34.300 lee tomlinson in lacombe what do you do up there lee uh so uh natalie saying jean charay no thanks

00:16:40.940 i understand but i plan on having every candidate for the leadership on i mean it's important that

00:16:45.160 you know we get each and every one of them on and uh people make their minds up you know i mean he's

00:16:49.720 not going to be the most popular with Western conservatives, I'm sure. But at least he's taking

00:16:53.220 the time to come out and chat and gives that open dialogue to us. Stunnery, the newest comment,

00:17:01.360 never apologize if you didn't genuinely harm anyone. Yeah, that's the truth of it. If you

00:17:05.880 really didn't hurt somebody, don't apologize. You're just giving it to them there. What else

00:17:10.760 we got coming up here? The hottest garbage take she's ever seen. What, mine? I don't know. 0.92

00:17:15.800 whatever that's fine uh we get all sorts on here so yes and thank you for tuning in i just like

00:17:21.600 going through the comments scroll and see what we've got going on before we move on to other

00:17:26.300 things uh the ucp that's something yeah dave didn't touch on so it sounds like they're changing a lot

00:17:30.900 of the the rules going into the leadership coming up but we're going to be following that that was

00:17:35.040 released uh it looks like there may be multiple spots to vote and uh we will pick those up

00:17:41.660 as they get officially put in.

00:17:44.100 I believe a committee's meeting on that.

00:17:45.620 And of course, we're going to report on all of those things

00:17:47.340 as soon as they break.

00:17:48.180 The bottom line is it sounds like there's just such a massive amount of people.

00:17:51.340 I believe the last number I heard was 13,000 or 13,500 people

00:17:55.100 planning to go out and vote in that leadership review.

00:17:57.700 I mean, it's unheard of.

00:17:59.140 How on earth could they squeeze that many people into a review

00:18:03.280 in one small city at one hotel on what, a seven-hour period,

00:18:07.880 I think is what they had proposed.

00:18:08.960 So something does have to change.

00:18:11.260 But the motivations were, of course, a lot of people will read in and whatnot.

00:18:15.820 Yeah, Cheryl's saying mail-in ballots are okay for federal elections, but not for the UCP vote.

00:18:19.520 No, and that was a lot of the big battles before when this whole thing got triggered.

00:18:23.400 Most of the constituency associations who wanted this vote to go wanted it to be at least some sort of online or mail-in or remote sort of ballot sort of system.

00:18:33.440 and the premier supporters very much wanted, if it had to happen at all,

00:18:38.200 to be an in-person thing where you can really limit and control,

00:18:40.920 or at least you would think.

00:18:42.160 But when you now have 13,000 people showing up,

00:18:44.620 it sounds like nobody's really necessarily limiting or controlling this thing whatsoever.

00:18:49.000 It is most definitely taken off.

00:18:51.440 And Daryl's saying, Dave forgot to mention that, no, Daryl,

00:18:54.940 that Tarek Anella El Naga is running for the leadership of the Maverick Party.

00:18:58.260 Dave did mention that, actually, and there's a story in the Western Standard about it.

00:19:01.520 So we're going to have Mel in studio here in just a moment. 0.98

00:19:04.880 We're going to run a video to help kick that off and see some of what Melanie enjoyed and endured at the protests last Saturday.

00:19:12.340 And we're going to talk about that for a little while.

00:19:14.540 Okay, and fair enough.

00:19:15.920 So, but the social responsibility, though, if everyone is able to spread or carry the social responsibility of it being a mandate, what's your thoughts on that?

00:19:25.780 When it was at its peak, I completely understand why there was the mandate.

00:19:29.500 I completely understand why it was put in for public places.

00:19:34.720 And I mean, now that things are easing and that the strains aren't as serious,

00:19:38.120 I do get also why they're easing the mandates, right?

00:19:41.240 It's just, I think, part of the process of dealing with a public pandemic.

00:19:44.740 Don't push me.

00:19:45.600 Don't push me.

00:19:46.960 You're in my space.

00:19:48.060 I'm standing here.

00:19:48.640 Do you not see the sign right here that says six feet?

00:19:51.940 I'm standing here.

00:19:53.020 Okay, sorry.

00:19:54.100 I'm really trying to hear you.

00:19:55.900 This must be really difficult to deal with for you.

00:19:58.000 Well, you know what?

00:19:58.760 But I really am trying to give a voice and it seems irresponsible that I can't have a

00:20:04.320 conversation with a resident in the neighborhood and hear you.

00:20:08.820 So do you want to come over here again?

00:20:10.420 Sorry.

00:20:11.420 The route that they're taking.

00:20:13.420 Right?

00:20:14.420 I'm just getting absolutely surrounded.

00:20:16.700 Yeah.

00:20:17.700 So...

00:20:18.700 Well, I just need, like, I just am trying to talk with this fella and I'm getting surrounded

00:20:24.600 people who are not even respecting any kind of no they're not I'm just trying

00:20:32.040 to talk with this fella who's talking with me but these guys are not giving

00:20:36.480 me any face even though the sign says practice physical distancing

00:20:49.920 yeah but i'm asking you to do this asking you to ask them to do the same for us

00:20:55.600 okay well let's do that perfect all right thank you

00:20:59.100 okay well that looks like that was fun there uh melanie welcome to the studio this is our first

00:21:08.580 one in actually with the newer expanded so we're not squashed in with each other yeah it's very

00:21:12.520 nice and uh you had an interesting weekend so that was you uh attempting to get comments from

00:21:19.480 the counter protesters yeah that's right so uh we went to where they typically gather which was at

00:21:25.720 the law heat house um and literally were there to literally hear people we wanted to talk to people

00:21:32.020 we wanted to hear what their suggestions were for a solution to this uh you know and immediately we

00:21:39.560 were met with hostility and uh and it just it continued to the point where they were so in our

00:21:48.000 space they were so um they were trying to get music playing into my microphone so that people

00:21:54.720 would uh so we wouldn't be able to publish it on our social media channels and they were you know

00:22:01.520 sort of cramming and ramming phones and and whatnot into our faces and really getting into

00:22:06.800 our the personal space enough where where one of them did end up pushing me uh which i asked them

00:22:13.040 not to push me um but what i think was the most disappointing for me was there were two police

00:22:19.120 officers that were very close by to everything that was happening they were watching us literally

00:22:24.640 get swarmed we were swarmed by anywhere from three to five people at any given moment and

00:22:29.920 they were reaching in our personal space there were a couple of community um residents that

00:22:36.160 did want to talk they did want to be heard and so i that's who i was interviewing uh and and

00:22:42.000 it got to the point where i went to the police and just asked can you help can you at least ask

00:22:46.800 these people to give me some personal space here uh they just shrugged they just kind of oh well

00:22:52.640 we thought they were with you and i said well it's pretty obvious that they're not with us uh it

00:22:58.720 they're they're causing quite a an uncomfortable situation here and um yeah i was very disappointed

00:23:06.720 that basically the only thing the police did in that instance when i was asking them to to assist

00:23:12.640 or intervene or even just speak to these people to give me some some personal space uh i was

00:23:19.760 basically told well then you should leave the park yeah and it's intimidating when you get that

00:23:24.640 coming in from all directions like that yeah you do want to feel like some of these people can be

00:23:29.440 it was very it was there were there were times where it was very aggressive and uh uh you didn't

00:23:34.480 see it in this video but we will have sort of a summary of of some video clips from from everything

00:23:40.480 that transpired through the weekend events uh but you'll see they were they were literally accosting

00:23:48.240 our cameraman uh they were physically getting into his face i mean i'm talking about like to

00:23:54.400 the point where my face was almost like hit by phones a number of times so really uncomfortable

00:24:00.080 and you know i i tried to make it really clear why we were there we were there to to really speak to

00:24:04.800 them and wanted to hear from some of them and some of them did speak but yeah it was um

00:24:09.120 it was a uh quite quite aggressive yeah well and it does go both ways you know i mean dave

00:24:17.200 uh nailer was down there as well and there was a video clip some other uh lunatic posted because

00:24:21.920 he was chasing dave around and getting on his case and in his face and that was from the pro

00:24:26.640 freedom protesters i guess dave wasn't uh the western standard still wasn't quite conservative

00:24:31.040 enough for him so i can't imagine what this gentleman wanted to see yeah there is a real

00:24:35.040 trend and mistrust with media in general i mean it's coming from the left and it's coming from

00:24:38.720 the right i mean at these protests nobody seems to be welcome anymore to cover them yeah well and

00:24:44.160 that's uh that's the other thing it just you know being there to cover this uh you know there was

00:24:49.760 you were just sort of lumped in with the rest of the protesters either side it didn't matter and

00:24:55.200 And we have another clip of when the police, some, you know, tension was high at the, when everything was wrapping up at the Central Memorial Park.

00:25:08.980 And it sort of centered around what looked like a white supremacist flag, you know, people taking offense to that.

00:25:16.180 It, you know, it just, it got tense.

00:25:19.520 And so police started to just push people out.

00:25:21.580 And we have another clip where the RCMP are using sort of the bicycle group, or sorry, not RCMP, yes, no, CPS, using the bicycles to sort of push protesters out of the park.

00:25:35.200 And so we were complying and moving as we were reporting. And then I ended up getting sort of pushed. You can play the clip, Nico. I ended up getting pushed and pushed sort of backwards into a police horse came up alongside behind me, which I didn't recognize.

00:25:54.200 i was just trying to get out of the way of the um the um bikes and ended up getting booted by this

00:26:01.240 police officer on a horse uh just for trying to get out of the way it was we'll run that

00:26:07.480 run that video and then have a look just to show a little bit of the chaos down there

00:26:13.240 so we're just kind of seeing here what uh i mean again it seems like there's

00:26:18.840 an altercation happening and the police are really just trying to keep a a barrier between

00:26:29.960 uh between the freedom rally protesters and the community protesters community

00:26:36.680 protesters are uh are just across the street here

00:26:48.840 well i guess we'll make sure we don't uh get kicked by a police officer on a horse so just

00:27:04.680 trying to get out of the way yeah so that was um kind of an interesting situation where i'm i

00:27:12.680 really was getting pushed in a certain direction and then had an officer come alongside me and

00:27:17.480 literally with his foot in his stirrup just kicked me yeah well i mean i i try to look at a bit of

00:27:23.400 both the police are trying to keep the two sides from actually meeting though and getting into what

00:27:26.920 could be a conflict i mean it was interesting i'm glad you got down there to see face to face that

00:27:31.640 a great deal of those counter protesters had nothing nice in mind uh you know they're masked

00:27:35.880 up it's the usual antifa guys let's face it you know i mean i'm certain there were some residents

00:27:39.240 who were concerned about things well and there were you get those professional protesters they

00:27:43.560 want to get that's why they don't want to be covered didn't seem because they don't want to

00:27:46.040 be seen showing the instigating as they will yeah and I think that's what I could say I definitely

00:27:50.600 noticed there was a real difference in the presence of the actual residents I did get to

00:27:55.420 speak with some and you know what their current concerns are legitimate they don't want to have

00:28:00.240 to compromise their peace in their community every Saturday you know fair enough our questions to

00:28:05.680 them or what's a good solution for you you know how about these protests take a different route

00:28:10.060 How about they go to City Hall, which they did end up doing on Saturday, to, you know, go to the areas that make more sense of where the decision makers are, where the, you know, the courts, maybe even the McDougal Centre, not through the belt line every time.

00:28:24.560 And that makes logical sense to me.

00:28:26.640 But you could definitely tell there was a contingent of people that were not there to talk.

00:28:31.740 They were not there to be heard.

00:28:32.740 They were there to be aggressive.

00:28:34.840 Well, that's it.

00:28:35.500 And the police, again, I know it's hard to be gentle, though, when moving a crowd.

00:28:39.160 I mean, you want to be, you don't want to hurt somebody, but you can't, you have to be firm.

00:28:42.840 I'm just trying to play devil's advocate. They should be taken care of it. Those horses are huge 0.98

00:28:47.000 as you saw them. They are big and they're well-trained, but they also would worry. I mean,

00:28:50.600 if you startled the horse or whatever, you could get stomped on. That could be a lot worse than a

00:28:54.680 police officer's boot. So it might've been a bit of a rough way to do it, but clearing it for a bit

00:28:59.080 of your own safety too. But still, I mean, it was a tense circumstance. Like just where I was,

00:29:05.560 we were down there a few of us I went and set up where the march usually goes

00:29:08.560 mm-hmm and the police were all lined up and they're ready to block it and then

00:29:11.620 the March decided to go a different direction and they went downtown right

00:29:15.580 yeah they well yeah they so they went downtown and then marched to City Hall

00:29:19.780 which I think is is again just more of a reasonable location right a little yeah

00:29:26.560 and less residential which I think is important too I think these people have 0.91

00:29:31.420 a right to have the peace in their neighborhood. There was an altercation that happened where

00:29:37.120 it looked quite a violent takedown of one of the protesters from the freedom protesters.

00:29:46.760 And we're actually going to be speaking with the person that was taken down by police

00:29:51.820 this afternoon at some point. Hopefully, we'll have that on the air this evening.

00:29:56.380 And we have a clip from that as well.

00:29:59.000 We'll run that at the end.

00:30:00.340 Oh, okay.

00:30:00.980 For sure.

00:30:01.420 to show kind of where things unfortunately degraded to,

00:30:04.060 because that was a bit of a timeline that happened.

00:30:06.560 It was the normal gathering in the downtown park over at Central Memorial.

00:30:10.140 And then the counter-protesters were at a different park.

00:30:12.920 Because the police had blocked the normal marching path,

00:30:15.920 the freedom protesters decided to march to City Hall.

00:30:19.560 So I thought something that was striking as I saw some footage from outside

00:30:23.140 across from City Hall, a lot of the counter-protesters followed them

00:30:25.820 and went and set up and counter-protested them there, which says a lot.

00:30:28.960 Again, so this isn't residents.

00:30:30.100 I mean, they're out in the neighborhood.

00:30:30.800 what's your concern? They're gone. Why are you still coming? Because they wanted to make trouble.

00:30:34.480 They had a beef that was bigger than... Yeah. Well, and what I will say too is when we went

00:30:40.240 to the Lougheed Park to speak with community residents and the anti-protesters, a lot of the

00:30:46.800 people that were across the street from City Hall were not at that park. It seemed like there was a

00:30:52.400 bit of a different group that had accumulated there. It looked like there might have been a

00:30:59.920 couple of people from the park there but it seemed like a completely different group but they did

00:31:04.960 come to that to confront the freedom protest absolutely yes yeah i mean that's how things

00:31:09.840 are kind of getting a little more out of control in a way i mean it's worrisome because as these

00:31:15.680 go on you kind of got a smaller and smaller group participating in people that tend to be a little

00:31:19.920 more dedicated i guess you could say and i know i've been to them 99 of the people are peaceful

00:31:25.120 but on both sides there's always an element of people who just want trouble and unfortunately

00:31:29.920 as these marches get smaller that group's going to get a little more dominant yeah i i agree with

00:31:33.760 you there for sure and i think really if you look at the history of this like we as the western

00:31:38.400 standard have covered a number of the rallies we've streamed a couple um i have been to some

00:31:44.400 along with uh our our uh operations manager james we've we've watched the the events unfold and

00:31:53.040 i would say they have been peaceful i i have not seen um you know massive unrest until now until

00:32:01.680 this this um pushback from community residents and again this is not not a blame statement i i

00:32:08.320 understand the real residents that are that are disturbed by this every saturday have a right to

00:32:14.560 peace in their community so understand that but but i think you're right i think um based on what

00:32:18.800 i've seen there seems to be a contingent in that uh representation group that that is looking to

00:32:25.120 stir the the hornet's nest right and and and i think it doesn't help the way some city councillors

00:32:32.400 are are speaking towards these protests uh how it's uh how even some of the uh police are speaking

00:32:40.400 towards the protest i think that's also causing some inflammation yeah there's been a lot of

00:32:46.000 divisive rhetoric unfortunately that it inflames things and gets people going a lot of insulting

00:32:50.800 uh you know i i know it drives me nuts when they keep throwing it out this is a racist group this

00:32:54.960 is whatever this protest has probably a handful of races among them when you get a few thousand 0.76

00:33:00.240 people together there's going to be something in the group but uh as far as the movement goes that's

00:33:04.480 not happening at all and every time every person who took part in it gets called that they get more

00:33:08.320 and more upset they don't blame them well i was even called it when when i was in the park uh

00:33:12.640 trying to speak to people somebody said it to me i i asked them a number of times to define it you

00:33:17.840 know why you know what what action am i doing that would constitute you calling me a white

00:33:23.600 supremacist but they um didn't want to have that dialogue so no no they just throw it up blindly

00:33:29.120 but it does inflame things get worse absolutely i think so there were some some speakers at city hall

00:33:33.840 when that got going i think i heard one of them at one point talking about that the next week they

00:33:37.360 might be going to princess island or somewhere they're there they might the bulk might move on

00:33:41.040 from the belt line that's what i've heard too that would ease a lot of pressure off of this entire

00:33:45.600 ongoing thing i would imagine yeah i think so too and i think that um you know i think that

00:33:50.480 is the respectful thing to do i i understand you know that the idea behind uh some of the

00:33:56.000 anti-protest is you know you don't really have anything to protest anymore because the mandates

00:34:00.240 are lifted well for millions of canadians they have not been lifted and they are still impacted

00:34:04.800 on a daily basis whether personally or professionally so so their right or their the

00:34:10.800 feeling of their right to to continue to protest is there and it seems legitimate for what they're

00:34:16.520 facing but you're right i think that there needs to be consideration for how that's impacting the

00:34:22.180 city where um who it's impacting and you know get it out of this the belt line that has had to deal

00:34:28.040 with this for months and even the cost is taxpayers i mean to be blunt there was hundreds of police

00:34:32.540 officers down there with horses and bikes and the works it costs a bundle this is overtime plus at

00:34:38.860 the same time when you've got hundreds of police officers down there that means other parts of the

00:34:41.820 city aren't being as well covered for police services as uh they normally would yeah that's

00:34:46.380 right uh if it was contained in princess island park or somewhere like that you know you wouldn't

00:34:49.980 need such a large presence uh just be better forever i feel i know not some people are going

00:34:54.060 to disagree but well and i'm sure the residents uh in and around that area are probably not going

00:34:59.100 to be happy uh per se but um you know i think i think the idea if if they can find solutions to

00:35:06.620 to places that are a little less residence based i think would be helpful for many absolutely and

00:35:13.820 again there were so there were some conflicts so you know before we uh where you head out here

00:35:18.220 there was other conflicts with a gentleman who got arrested a couple of arrests that happened

00:35:22.300 you'll be speaking with him later so can you frame what a bit of what happened there well what i

00:35:26.940 understand is there was sort of some dialogue going back and forth between the freedom protesters

00:35:35.340 and the police in fact there there had been a few altercations that had happened between

00:35:39.740 the freedom protesters and the anti-protesters that that were raising tension and so when the

00:35:46.300 police started moving people out of the park there was conversation happening between the police and

00:35:52.220 protesters and at one point it looked like uh and what i've been told was that um police sort of

00:35:58.300 reached over the the the bike line of officers and and grabbed one of the protesters ended up

00:36:05.660 pulling a hoodie or a sweater off of him uh and uh and then i think you can kind of see from some

00:36:12.940 of the video that he is at some point somebody gets a hold of him and then a number of officers

00:36:19.180 get a hold of him and wrestle him down to the ground. I have actually spoken with this person.

00:36:25.420 They have said that they were not resisting and were speaking out loud that they were not going

00:36:32.540 to be resisting, but yet said that six to eight officers were still pinning him down and he ended

00:36:39.260 up being tasered at some point. So we're going to find out a little bit more of the background of

00:36:46.540 what happened and why why it got to to the level that it did um and again i know you know police

00:36:53.100 were there to try to make sure that uh people were safe at this point the there was a large

00:36:58.460 distance between the freedom protesters and the resident protesters so we'll we'll get a little

00:37:05.180 bit more information about exactly what happened to lead to that takedown yeah well look forward

00:37:10.460 to that interview and then we'll see more details on what's happened and talk to some people and

00:37:14.220 and maybe we'll run that arrest video right now

00:37:18.020 while you move back to the newsroom

00:37:19.260 to carry on scribbling away as you do.

00:37:21.620 And I appreciate you coming in to talk

00:37:23.320 about your weekend at the park.

00:37:25.060 Oh, yes, it's fun.

00:37:26.060 We'll be back there next week.

00:37:27.360 Hey, thanks, Mel.

00:37:33.780 Don't touch it up.

00:37:35.160 Hey, hey, hey, hey.

00:37:37.460 Don't touch it. 1.00

00:37:39.060 You are useless. 0.99

00:37:41.740 Hey. 1.00

00:37:42.180 don't touch me don't touch me 1.00

00:37:45.300 yo yo yo what the fuck 1.00

00:37:49.900 give him his stuff back what the fuck is wrong with you 1.00

00:37:57.580 what the hell is that 0.99

00:37:59.240 what the hell is that 0.99

00:38:01.680 what the fuck 0.99

00:38:07.040 what did he do 1.00

00:38:09.020 what did he do

00:38:10.760 what did he do tell me what he did why do you need six look at what they're doing to him 1.00

00:38:17.800 look at this shit look you stripped his fucking shirt off look at this shit 1.00

00:38:24.140 you guys never wear a fucking poppy ever again you fucking piece of shit i hope you guys can 1.00

00:38:30.180 sleep at night what the is wrong with you 1.00

00:38:41.780 look at what they're doing to him do your job no it's not don't touch me 0.88

00:38:48.100 don't you touch get your hands off me get your hands off me 1.00

00:38:53.700 does that look fucking peaceful to you yeah i guess i should give a bit of a language warning 0.99

00:39:06.740 especially if you're listening at home with the volume turned up sorry about that but yeah that's 0.95

00:39:10.180 uh at those tense uh sorts of circumstances you do get a lot of harsh words it looks like

00:39:15.300 quite a rough situation it was disturbing seeing that the way that one officer looked to be

00:39:18.900 swinging down at the gentleman on the ground uh but they're no i don't know if there's no general

00:39:23.640 way to arrest people typically uh i it's hard to say how how compliant the individual was but

00:39:29.220 melanie will be talking to him later and we'll get some more details on just what happened there

00:39:32.800 and whatever the charges might have been afterwards as well uh i'm going to speak

00:39:37.200 about one of our sponsors before we get rolling here and that is the canada shooting sports

00:39:41.840 association these guys have been sponsoring us for some time now uh one of the things i talked

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00:41:09.040 yeah getting on to uh the protests a bit more here and what mel was talking about i see marvin

00:41:13.140 uh sherry stewart saying they aren't camping in tents at least yeah that's true and uh that was

00:41:18.460 the thing though that way when you let things they'll go too far and too long if we remember

00:41:22.360 the occupy protests from 10 years ago uh if you want to have a good chuckle google cory morgan

00:41:27.840 and occupy and you'll see some pictures of me getting uh uh taken away from the occupy protest

00:41:33.900 downtown by the police i wasn't part of it i was actually sort of in a humorous way counter

00:41:37.980 protesting what they were up to but the issue that happened there too was it was a protest that

00:41:42.060 perhaps had some meaning had some basis to it and it stayed for way too long and eventually it

00:41:47.820 festered and it got too far and it took months to get those guys out of there and finally you know

00:41:53.420 when they were starting to get overdoses and they were getting sexual assaults happening and this

00:41:56.780 wasn't just in calgary it was everywhere where these tent cities were cities finally moved on 0.97

00:42:00.860 them but they really didn't want to uh but the problem that the fear with these as well these

00:42:06.220 these freedom protests is, I know some people say it's just an annoyance and it is, but if you live

00:42:11.780 down there, I mean, I was at those earlier ones and it goes on for a couple hours. If you're in

00:42:15.000 an apartment and I mean, some of those trucks, they got like train horns on them. I mean,

00:42:18.420 they'll rattle your windows. And if you're doing it week after week, after week, after week in a

00:42:22.660 residential area, I know it's not the end of the world, but I can see why it's irritating for some

00:42:26.760 people. And you know, Princess Island is a little more appropriate. I mean, the only restrictions

00:42:31.180 remaining now are federal. So why take it out in a residential city neighborhood? I know it's close

00:42:36.840 to downtown. It's just time to consider taking some pressure off. We're seeing how much more

00:42:40.980 tense it's getting, how bad it's getting. Somebody might get really hurt soon. We don't want to see

00:42:44.980 that. And, you know, we might see some conflict. These counter protesters, as some others are

00:42:49.280 putting out, they're Antifa and the usual losers. We know that. You know, some of the people at the 0.98

00:42:54.340 counter protest were concerned residents, but the ones in the front now, they're the usual losers 0.80

00:42:58.040 who get out, extreme leftists who want to start riots, want to start problems, want to get in 0.89

00:43:02.820 people's faces. And that's what they were there to do. And that's why even at City Hall, they're

00:43:07.760 over there counter protesting. Well, it has nothing to do with the Beltline when you're way over

00:43:10.340 there. So these clowns follow them. But as we keep running these protests, though, on and on and on 0.99

00:43:16.040 down there, this is going to get worse and the city has to act. So it sounds like they're looking

00:43:21.700 to move to a more appropriate area to carry on because they have every right to protest. But

00:43:26.460 eventually you push that right to a point where it's impacting on other people too much

00:43:30.620 it has to go and I think they're hitting that point now and let's hope that things get a little

00:43:36.580 more settled I guess you could say and I like what they've done I like what the protests have done

00:43:41.880 it's very important one of the things I think is great from the truckers convoy and the other

00:43:45.100 protests and things it does remind the government too they know you know you know people are starting

00:43:48.760 to wind down there's still federal ones to push back against there's still some some issues going

00:43:53.240 on. Most of them are gone. And governments know if they bring back the masking, if they bring back

00:43:58.600 the VAX passports, they bring back all that crap, these protests are going to be back in a heartbeat. 0.95

00:44:02.860 People are not going to put up with it this time. That's been clearly established. And we have to 0.99

00:44:07.360 thank the people who got up and protested before to establish that and make it clear. And that's

00:44:12.380 what protest is about. It's important. It's very important. But again, it can't start to turn

00:44:16.560 disparate and directionless. And it's at risk of going there at this point. But we watch it closely.

00:44:21.900 as we saw Melanie gets out there on the ground

00:44:23.620 talking about gutsy, you know, for a little reporter getting

00:44:25.700 in among some hostile people

00:44:27.740 and thankfully she wasn't hurt or

00:44:29.820 stepped on by a horse or anything like that or 1.00

00:44:31.640 those idiots, you know, putting their phones in her face 1.00

00:44:33.620 didn't knock a... I mean, it's serious 1.00

00:44:35.720 stuff. We see that with other reporters too, you know, so

00:44:37.720 they've been assaulted. Sheila Gunn-Reed got assaulted 0.98

00:44:39.640 a number of times. These guys do not

00:44:41.880 like it. And we saw it on the other side.

00:44:43.740 There's a clip, it's on Twitter, but

00:44:45.540 Dave Naylor was out there and some

00:44:47.420 whackball was chasing, kind of following

00:44:49.860 him around and getting on his case because something he

00:44:51.720 disagreed. He said he had a bone to pick and was trying to intimidate him. Dave for the most part

00:44:55.020 ignored him. But you know, media gets a rough ride at these protests from both sides. Part of it's

00:45:02.540 because a lot of the mainstream media has been pretty bloody rotten over the course of this

00:45:05.840 whole pandemic and people are sick and tired of it and they're pushing back. Stop about police

00:45:13.900 and finance. Get your reps out to speak to the protesters, Penny Mason says. Well, that's what

00:45:17.860 we did. We're showing you a live video from it. How much do we got to do? We had five people down

00:45:21.700 there all day Saturday, including myself. Of course we're doing that. But I do talk about

00:45:25.220 the realities of the other things. It is costing us a pile of money. That's just another factor in

00:45:29.280 it. We still got to talk about it. And, you know, it's important. I mean, these are other pressures.

00:45:35.980 Hey, as I said, I'm a person, I owned a bar. It got robbed repeatedly because of a contributing

00:45:41.900 factor of it was the very slow police response times in the area that I'm in. And these are

00:45:46.640 other things to keep in mind. If these protests draw that much police presence into a downtown

00:45:51.180 spot, not every criminal is a moron. I think most of them are. But some of them will realize, hey, 1.00

00:45:55.380 this is a good time to pull off my next crime, break into my next place, rob the next store.

00:46:00.140 So these all come with a price. And I know it's not the fault of the freedom protesters. It's

00:46:05.060 because the counter protesters get down there. But let's get reasonable then. If it's escalating

00:46:09.320 and escalating, then maybe it's time to move somewhere else. It's not saying stop. It's saying

00:46:14.360 use reason. Because if you dig your feet in, I tell you what, your public support is going to

00:46:18.300 evaporate. And it gets lesser and lesser every time. And when you fully lose the public support,

00:46:23.040 you've lost what you're even doing this for. And I would say, yeah, you know, Cheryl's saying,

00:46:29.100 so here's, yeah, part of why the mainstream media doesn't get a good rap. Asking the police chief

00:46:34.040 why David Pawlowski wasn't arrested for speaking at the rally. You know, they want to see arrests.

00:46:38.960 They want to see more of that going on, and they like to press and push on things.

00:46:45.800 Let's see what else we got. 0.90

00:46:46.980 You know, people are criminals. 0.86

00:46:48.020 Cop was laughing.

00:46:48.820 Yeah, it was a rough thing there.

00:46:53.360 Sheree coming on, must leave. 0.82

00:46:57.100 Well, if you can't even watch them, that's your prerogative.

00:46:59.800 I'm going to interview every guest, every candidate who runs for this.

00:47:03.520 It's part of multiple coverage.

00:47:05.300 I'm sorry that it's that out of your liking.

00:47:08.960 you know that's what we do it's not for everybody that's fair enough uh construction goes on in

00:47:14.000 cities every day and makes a ton of noise don't see that shut down yeah but construction comes

00:47:18.240 to an end and it serves a purpose and these guys don't seem to have an end in sight and the purpose

00:47:23.840 is starting to get harder to see uh you know we you can keep pushing but i'm just saying for your

00:47:31.200 own sake for the guys going out you're going to fail in the run eventually get smaller and smaller

00:47:34.880 and there's going to be a violent outbreak and the public is really going to turn against you

00:47:37.920 and you've lost a lot of the ground you gained.

00:47:40.880 So just move to another spot.

00:47:43.200 It's not that hard.

00:47:44.060 It's a big downtown and a lot of places you can go

00:47:46.020 without bothering citizens.

00:47:50.100 Cheryl, Don asking,

00:47:52.540 did I find out why Gene bailed on my interview?

00:47:54.980 No, and I don't care.

00:47:55.860 I don't need to speak to him.

00:47:57.320 He can do his thing and whatever.

00:48:01.440 But we will speak to most politicians and things like that.

00:48:04.320 We may even be moving into a leadership race

00:48:07.180 with the UCP. I mean, if Premier

00:48:09.500 Kenney doesn't make it through the review,

00:48:11.380 it doesn't work out for him.

00:48:13.980 We're going to be into a leadership race

00:48:15.660 and candidates, of course, a lot of them

00:48:17.540 will be coming on because a lot of UCP members watch

00:48:19.420 the Western Standard and it's unfortunate

00:48:21.300 Mr. Gene won't have the opportunity to speak to them through my show.

00:48:24.340 But that's just the way

00:48:25.380 things happen sometimes.

00:48:26.780 So he can go knock doors and

00:48:29.280 talk at CTV, I guess, or something.

00:48:31.600 But

00:48:31.780 yes, let's see.

00:48:35.280 It is necessary to interview everyone who's running.

00:48:37.180 is it yeah otherwise let me know better than you know mainstream media yeah you know we just

00:48:41.900 kind of give it balance i mean it doesn't mean you have to vote for them and i i it was you'll

00:48:45.580 see in a few moments when i do run that it was a good conversation with mr shere you know he's

00:48:50.220 uh certainly too red for my taste i don't own a party membership anymore uh were i to choose to

00:48:56.000 uh take part in those things again i i can't uh see him being the one who draws my vote

00:49:02.180 but he's he's no fool and he's got some common sense in him and he's certainly got a lot of

00:49:07.320 experience behind him and and uh it's worth listening to and i mean we're going to watch

00:49:11.880 this campaign evolve and then as we get more and more guests on i'm looking forward to interviewing

00:49:15.920 all of them we'll get those different voices and hopefully we'll have them on a second time or a

00:49:19.780 third time uh and uh you know go from there uh somebody saying gene lost a family member a few

00:49:27.840 days ago in his grieving. Well, this, he stood me up prior to that. Either way, why is Rempel

00:49:33.120 backing Patrick Brown? Well, that you would have to ask Michelle Rempel, to be honest. I don't know.

00:49:39.640 And I'm hoping to have Patrick Brown on the show, though, and we'll talk with him as well. I'm going

00:49:42.660 to talk to every one of them, and it's very important. That's where these discourses are.

00:49:47.700 And, you know, some people say I should get a little rougher on them. I have some good pointed

00:49:51.000 questions you'll see in a moment, and definitely from a Western perspective, because you're not

00:49:54.700 going to get those questions from central media outlets. You won't. So we got those and I'll give

00:50:00.060 those questions to the other candidates too and you'll get a perspective that you wouldn't get

00:50:03.360 elsewhere from these candidates and some questions they probably would rather not even have wanted to

00:50:07.940 go into. But at least they're coming out and they're talking to us and it's important and

00:50:12.560 I appreciate that. So yeah, as we're saying, I'm just looking at that news story with

00:50:17.340 13,000 Conservative members. Right. So I think without further ado though, it is about time to

00:50:23.380 put on the conversation I had with Conservative Party of Canada leadership candidate Jean Charest

00:50:28.920 and we'll talk a little more after that interview is done so stay tuned here guys and it was a good

00:50:34.120 talk. Okay well thank you very much for joining me today Mr Charest we really appreciate it and

00:50:43.380 hearing from you out west you kicked off your campaign out here in Calgary we don't have

00:50:47.820 anybody at this point in the in the Conservative leadership race from the west so of course

00:50:51.860 we have concerns and that's where a lot of the questions are going to land today

00:50:55.640 well and i'm your western candidate if that's the case i'm happy to fill the belt for western

00:51:01.800 canada court okay well we'll we'll see how that goes so i mean i'll start with one of the questions

00:51:07.900 i got from a viewer the other day when i said you were going to be coming on some people are

00:51:11.420 looking forward to it but she she was concerned uh of course out here the the firearm legislation

00:51:15.560 things like that it's been going on since the 90s when when you were in parliament and uh yeah

00:51:19.480 But with some of the cabinet recently admitted, like with some of the rifle bans, some of it overlapped and took on some hunting rifles and things such as that, as opposed to assault style is what the goal was.

00:51:33.920 It was a Carol Seville was asking about that.

00:51:36.440 And we're wondering, would you be looking at revisiting perhaps to make sure that firearms legislation is remaining a little more fair to people who have been legally using firearms?

00:51:43.260 Corey, the focus of the federal government on firearms should be handguns in cities like Toronto and Montreal and working at the border to stop those handguns from coming into the country.

00:51:55.260 That's where we should put our money and resources and not target hunters or farmers in northern Alberta.

00:52:03.260 and so on the legislation itself, I think we would need to look at what it does exactly to

00:52:08.880 make sure it's efficient and not just for the pleasure of trying to further legislate. So I

00:52:15.940 would think that we would want to put together, maybe because it's done on a regulatory basis,

00:52:21.860 there has to be a better control and a more rigorous control of who makes decisions on what

00:52:26.940 it is exactly that we want to ban. And instead of just addressing appearances, why don't we

00:52:31.920 address the real fundamental issue which is handguns in cities. Okay I think that's what a lot of people

00:52:37.920 wanted to hear. There was a bit of a knee-jerk I think response and some things get banned and it's

00:52:41.300 not necessarily actually impacting anybody except law-abiding firearm owners. Yeah so getting on to

00:52:47.400 another policy then that's quite big out here of concern is the carbon tax of course. That was

00:52:53.280 a large dividing issue with the conservative party in the last couple of years and it's certainly a

00:52:58.060 strong issue with us in the west energy prices are very high it's hard on agricultural producers

00:53:02.680 and whereas bc's had a carbon tax for quite some years now it doesn't seem to have had an impact

00:53:07.980 on emissions so where are you standing on a carbon tax or emissions control we have to be

00:53:14.780 smart about this which means a comprehensive climate and energy policy which includes carbon

00:53:20.880 capturing storage biofuels hydrogen blue or green hydrogen small modular reactors hydro all these

00:53:28.720 things and oil and gas and the only way to do it cory effectively is if the industry's in the room

00:53:34.400 helping to design it and they buy into it and the same is true for the provinces so i i'm certainly

00:53:41.680 able to look at a policy and have a policy that has carbon pricing into it it has to be flexible

00:53:47.200 simple, flexible enough to avoid increasing the carbon tax as the Trudeau government wants to do

00:53:53.200 on the 1st of April, and it doesn't make sense. And then it should not discriminate against rural

00:53:58.640 Canadians. It cannot be a wealth transfer tax. So we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

00:54:04.160 Alberta has done it. I mean, Alberta has a price on carbon for industrial emitters,

00:54:09.440 and they have a policy that makes sense. So that's the way we need to approach it. And if

00:54:15.120 If we approach it that way and deal with the transition, which includes natural gas, and we'll include the use of oil,

00:54:21.560 well, then we'll get to the same objective, but we'll do it in a smart way as opposed to just doing it while excluding industry or excluding the provinces.

00:54:30.400 Yeah, because Western energy producers, I think sometimes haven't gotten enough credit for how much they have innovated and reduced emissions

00:54:36.620 or taken on means of carbon capture or even taking carbon and turning it into other products.

00:54:42.160 So it'd be good to see that recognized and pursued.

00:54:44.460 So now we've still got the ongoing issue of getting our products to market, and that's been quite a battle going on, whether it's coastal pipelines, east, west, or in any direction, to be frank.

00:54:54.600 How can we get assurances that we're going to still manage to meet those world energy needs?

00:54:58.760 I mean, we may transition away eventually, but for the time being, the world needs a lot of our product right now.

00:55:04.020 And this conflict in Europe, you know, the invasion of Ukraine by Russia now has shed light on what it is that we should have been doing.

00:55:12.740 And Canada should have been building pipelines.

00:55:16.740 The last pipeline built in Quebec, by the way, was built under my government.

00:55:19.740 I've always been pro-pipeline and pro-oil and gas.

00:55:23.740 And the reason for that is the common sense that we all need to abide by as we see what's happening in Europe in this conflict,

00:55:31.740 where we could be an alternative of oil and gas for Europe as opposed to being shut out, as we are right now.

00:55:38.740 So but to do that, Corey, requires that there be a prime minister who actually stands up from time to time and says, I'm in favor of a pipeline, as opposed to to not saying anything at all or not supporting the industry.

00:55:52.260 That's what has been sorely lacking in the last few years.

00:55:56.220 And now to have someone like myself, who has been Premier of Quebec, out there saying and defending these things, which I did when I was Premier and what I did when I left office, I think gives us much more chances of succeeding at getting big projects done than if it were someone else.

00:56:14.440 Well, there's definitely been an investment chill.

00:56:16.860 I mean, we've had an ideologically driven government for quite some time,

00:56:20.380 and a person doesn't feel confident in investing in a large infrastructure project

00:56:25.000 when it sounds like the federal government wants to pull the rug out from under it.

00:56:28.140 So, I mean, changing that atmosphere would certainly be a good start

00:56:30.820 to improving our production facilities.

00:56:34.100 It would be.

00:56:35.600 And to get a prime minister who actually stands up and says,

00:56:38.660 this is a good idea, this project should be done,

00:56:42.780 And then says, we'll do it right environmentally, we'll do all the work that needs to be done so that it's environmentally sound, which we can do, and we can do in reasonable delays, and do it in a fashion that is predictable, which in industry, which everyone wants, would be a 100% change relative to what we've seen with the Liberal government.

00:57:06.380 So moving more into regional challenges and issues, Senate reform, you know, again, I was

00:57:12.540 of the old reformers back in the 90s and Triple E was the big call. I understand reforming the

00:57:18.480 Senate itself would be a very large task to be done. But for the more immediate term, what are

00:57:23.460 your thoughts on appointing senators that have been elected in provinces? It's been something

00:57:26.760 of a tradition for some time if we do choose to elect them that often conservative governments

00:57:30.740 will appoint them. Well, for a while, that's what the federal government was doing.

00:57:35.420 during the Meech period where they appointed provincially nominated candidates to the Senate.

00:57:42.140 The Senate, when it was thought and designed, it was to be a house where the provinces were

00:57:47.340 represented. That's the core idea of what the Senate was designed to be. It's not that now.

00:57:55.000 And that's one of the issues that needs to be addressed in the future. The bigger question is,

00:57:59.560 does this mean we reopen the Constitution? I think there's probably other options that would allow

00:58:04.520 the provinces say and how we nominate senators and that may be a an option that we would look at i'm

00:58:13.000 open to those ideas if the province of alberta brings something forward and says here is something

00:58:17.880 that we would like to do i would be very open to that corey well and going farther though i mean

00:58:25.000 we went through that with charlottetown and meach lake but uh at some point down the

00:58:29.000 road are you receptive to looking at constitutional reform in canada

00:58:33.360 Well, I don't see now how it can be done because the conditions are not there.

00:58:39.260 I don't, you know, if we undertake a round of constitutional discussions, we do it only if there is a huge and very substantial buy-in and preparation from the provinces.

00:58:49.780 That work has not been done, and I don't see it right now, but that doesn't mean that there are not alternative things that can be done in the meantime that would allow this federal system of ours to work more effectively.

00:59:01.480 And by the way, Corey, that's one of the things I want to bring to this job as leader of the Conservative Party and Prime Minister.

00:59:07.780 I know how the country operates.

00:59:10.120 I know how this federal system works.

00:59:12.360 And I know how to make it work to get big things done.

00:59:16.120 It would be a breath of fresh air in Ottawa to have a Prime Minister who has that direct experience and able to connect Quebec to Alberta,

00:59:23.880 able to connect the West to the East and Central Canada to make our country work.

00:59:29.440 It's the only way for Canada to be efficient, by the way. And so as a prime minister and leader of the Conservative Party, that would be right up our alley in terms of what we represent, in terms of our views and our values and our history of making this country work.

00:59:43.760 okay and then likewise uh i guess in a theoretical example but something a very recent one we had

00:59:49.320 that vote in the house of commons over protecting quebec seats no matter what the population

00:59:53.720 distribution would be i mean our our parliament is supposed to be repped by pop at least and at

00:59:57.960 that point we we basically seem to have voted to override even that principle which sort of upset

01:00:02.260 some people out there i understand it's just a single seat but that's a big principle uh how

01:00:06.200 would you have responded to that if you were in at that time well there was a second vote to which

01:00:10.280 all the conservatives voted in favor of that says we could maintain the minimum level of seats in

01:00:15.360 Quebec at 78 and then add, and then you'll get the same outcome. Well, I mean, that's a common

01:00:22.100 sense solution that the government should have applied. And it avoids reducing the number of

01:00:28.620 seats in Quebec, but also increasing the number of seats elsewhere where the rep BIPOC should be

01:00:34.120 respected. I mean, isn't that the right solution? Isn't that the one? That's the one the conservative

01:00:38.620 caucus voted for and i and from my perspective works well for everyone including western canada

01:00:45.180 well it does lead to more politicians which could be a problem for people in general i guess but

01:00:49.340 uh the only one thing would be more journalists but you know it's not a perfect world court

01:00:54.940 no no i understand uh okay well going forward something else and same thing you know i understand

01:01:00.780 the equalization that's a big issue out here it is constitutionally entrenched but it is the

01:01:05.260 government who does maintain you know periodically adjusting the formula and uh there's been a lot of

01:01:11.180 uh you know concern that the formula really hasn't been well adjusted by conservative or liberal

01:01:15.180 governments over the years and it just seems no matter how hard times get alberta keeps paying in

01:01:19.500 and when the times are good we pay in it's consistent that way if nothing else how could

01:01:23.260 we adapt with that well and you're right i mean equalization is written into the constitution so

01:01:29.420 it's not as though we can just discard it we have to apply it how we apply it's the issue

01:01:34.620 and i went through different debates where on the calculation whether we should or should not include

01:01:40.460 the revenues from non-renewable resources or renewable resources we have to look at the

01:01:46.220 the way it's calculated that's where the real decision is made that's where the real impact is

01:01:51.020 felt and and ensure that it's fair and it has to be revised periodically anyway i think it's on

01:01:57.500 every five years so let's look at it so that it's it's fair for everyone including the people of

01:02:02.540 alberta and and of western canada in general so i've i've been through the process of revising it

01:02:10.300 and we've made it better in those days it's un it's imperfect but let's look at it with again

01:02:15.980 a view of making it fair for everyone including alberta okay now we're getting into some times

01:02:22.300 with uh foreign relations of course are between the ukraine russia conflict and as well with with

01:02:28.620 China is really looming as a large power on the world scene. And in my view, Canada has been

01:02:33.500 fairly weak internationally, unfortunately, though traditionally we've been a very respected player

01:02:37.980 on the world scene. How can we reclaim our space, I guess, as a country to be respected in that sense

01:02:44.300 and have a role on the world governance scene? Well, Corey, Canada is, under this liberal

01:02:51.020 government, has a weakened position internationally. I mean, we are not the voice that we once were.

01:02:56.780 and let's start with our immediate neighbor the united states with whom obviously the relations

01:03:01.180 are not as good as they were i mean they are as a protectionist as they were under the biden

01:03:06.140 administration as they were on the trump administration one of the messages coming

01:03:10.220 out of that is that we have to rely on ourselves we have to diversify trade we have to do it

01:03:14.780 aggressively we have to get out in the world more and depend less on the united states the other

01:03:19.260 part of it is defense which the terrible conflict in the ukraine has brought home i mean it's

01:03:24.540 It's heartbreaking for us to watch the reports every day on the news, but what lesson should

01:03:30.140 we draw from that?

01:03:31.200 We need to do more on national fence for ourselves to start with, occupy our north and not lose

01:03:38.240 sight of the fact that we are neighbors of Russia in the Arctic.

01:03:41.740 We need to occupy our northern territory and to make sure that we are there and not absent

01:03:48.340 as the way we are now.

01:03:50.200 you know, Corey, even in the Northwest Passage, the Americans do not recognize the Northwest Passage

01:03:55.440 as being Canadian territory. That speaks volumes of the fact that we have to be much more assertive

01:04:03.280 in our foreign policy across the world. It starts with defense, but it also starts by being present

01:04:08.800 in Africa and the Middle East, where we're missing in action in a lot of places in the world,

01:04:13.660 Where our interests are at play, Asia is part of that. Now, we do need an Indo-Pacific strategy that puts China in the context of Asia, but not only China. We need to look at the broader Asia area and region, which includes India, which includes ASEAN, which includes Southeast Asia.

01:04:34.940 That's the only way for us as a country to be able to have a strong, relevant presence in those parts of the world.

01:04:43.660 I appreciate that you brought up Arctic sovereignty. I spent a number of years working up there, actually, and ironically, some government scientists would come to our oil field camps to study because they didn't have the means to get as far north as we did, which is pretty unfortunate when you look at things.

01:04:57.840 You know, the private industry can get up there, but not government funded things. And we're leaving a big space up there unattended. So it's kind of hard to claim sovereignty if we can't even get to it.

01:05:05.680 And, you know, Stephen Harper made annual trips to the north, and people, you know, sort of pooh-poohed it. They thought, well, what's the point? It was very relevant. We look back on that. It establishes a presence that is extremely important in a tangible way. So at least the minimum is that we have to occupy our own territory.

01:05:27.120 So going a little further, you were talking about international relations with the United States.

01:05:30.580 I'll kind of close out, and it's been a sticking point regionally as well, though.

01:05:34.180 And a sticking point when it comes to trade is supply management, our dairy system and poultry and such.

01:05:41.060 We've had difficulties.

01:05:42.140 They like bringing that up when we do get a trade dispute with the United States.

01:05:44.800 Are you willing to start examining supply management for reform and maybe starting to work our way out of that?

01:05:50.200 Well, supply management in the industry is very important for the dairy.

01:05:53.700 It's not just dairy.

01:05:54.380 it's poultry for example and eggs and so it's you know it's been fairly good for canada i understand

01:06:01.100 those who think it's not the best system in the world but we've already given some on supply

01:06:05.980 management we did it in the canada europe trade agreement we gave some we did it on cptpp we also

01:06:12.220 gave in to some part of the market there and we did it on kuzma in three different trade agreements

01:06:18.460 So the industry and producers have already made some concessions on that front.

01:06:24.640 I wouldn't go any further than the concessions that we've already made now.

01:06:28.280 Okay, fair enough.

01:06:29.760 Well, I think that's about the time we had with you.

01:06:32.080 Is there more you'd like to add before we let you go?

01:06:33.920 And where can people find information on your campaign?

01:06:36.800 Corey, I just have one request for it.

01:06:40.120 That's to support a candidate that's going to allow the Conservative Party to unite

01:06:45.440 and allow the Conservative Party to be the national political party

01:06:49.300 that will win an election campaign,

01:06:51.360 which is what I can do for this country and this party.

01:06:54.200 Thank you, Corey, for hosting me.

01:06:56.400 Oh, thanks for coming on.

01:06:57.560 I hope we can talk again before the end of the campaign.

01:06:59.520 It's going to be a long one developing, I'm sure,

01:07:01.320 for some time over the next coming months.

01:07:03.520 Thank you.

01:07:09.140 So there you go.

01:07:09.980 I saw some people pointing out, yes, unfortunately,

01:07:12.240 it was a recorded interview.

01:07:13.360 it is hard with these candidates when they're mid-campaign

01:07:15.660 to get them pinned down, I always prefer live

01:07:17.680 if I can, not to mention I had

01:07:19.540 to sit through that and as it's well established

01:07:21.320 I like the sound of my own voice

01:07:22.860 I can't stand watching myself

01:07:25.640 interview people but

01:07:26.760 I went through that for you guys, I hope

01:07:29.340 you appreciate it, but that was

01:07:31.200 Jean Charest of course

01:07:32.620 candidate for the Conservative Party

01:07:35.340 of Canada, coming from I guess

01:07:37.340 more the establishment side

01:07:38.820 the central Canadian side

01:07:41.140 if you want the way I put it, the Laurentian elite

01:07:43.360 but every candidate, he's definitely, you can't dismiss him.

01:07:47.140 He's definitely going to be one of the contenders for the, in the race,

01:07:50.680 if not, you know, one of the top ones.

01:07:52.300 So it's better to listen to these guys, talk to these guys,

01:07:54.940 and have candidates and voters put up their, their, choose how they will.

01:08:00.240 The more informed you are, you can only do better, right?

01:08:02.720 I know a lot of political talk. It was hard to pin specific answers,

01:08:05.440 but we'll see. And as the campaign gets going,

01:08:07.280 hopefully I interview each and every one of these candidates.

01:08:09.660 The second round,

01:08:10.580 we'll have a little more pointed and specific stuff to get them with.

01:08:12.780 so thanks to those who did put questions forward and if i can get them live i certainly will

01:08:16.940 uh following up on some of that with the comments though since there were some of that came in

01:08:20.580 cheryl saying to run for the leadership of canada needs to put up 200 000 bucks 1.00

01:08:24.100 uh where does all this money go something that's even more important than where it goes actually

01:08:28.340 is where did it come from you know you always want to wonder who's funding them and that tells

01:08:32.140 you a lot about where they they want to go and who they may be beholden to as far as parties go

01:08:36.580 well they'll take in money you know they need it the parties thrive on money so uh that'll just go

01:08:41.640 into more party operations more staffers more polling more you name it parties have no end

01:08:46.940 to things where they can spend money that's that's no party has a hard time doing that

01:08:50.760 and that's where it'll go in there's something i found kind of uh interesting with the conservative

01:08:55.680 party the united conservative party actually when they got a hundred dollars a pop with all these

01:09:00.320 people now and you know it looks like it might be as many as 15 000 or more registering and spending

01:09:05.720 that to take part in this leadership race it's going to be the most successful fundraiser they've

01:09:09.540 had in a long time. And how good it is for the party as a whole, time will tell. But boy,

01:09:14.660 there's a lot of dollars going in. People are sure willing to put their money where their

01:09:18.180 mouth is on that one. Al Rourke talking about setting up refineries and refining our crude

01:09:23.700 oil and selling it here. Yeah, there's something to that. But again, a lot of it just comes to

01:09:28.480 getting government out of the way when it comes to pipelines, refineries, exploration, wells,

01:09:32.920 oil sands. The main thing is just deregulate, get out. If it makes economic sense, we'll do it.

01:09:37.680 If it makes economic sense to set up a refinery, the private market will do it.

01:09:41.080 But getting a new refinery built is just about as easy as getting a new pipeline into the ground,

01:09:45.240 which means nearly impossible, unfortunately.

01:09:50.020 Let's see what else we've got in the comments.

01:09:52.320 Yes, Quebec doesn't like it, and that's going to be difficult with Mr. Charest.

01:09:55.920 He's definitely very beholden to Quebec.

01:09:59.560 And how popular he is there, I don't know.

01:10:01.080 You know, he was premier for a number of years, but Quebecers are as prickly as Albertans when it comes to things, 0.82

01:10:06.500 and they might not be thrilled at this point

01:10:08.680 to see Mr. Charest on the political scene again.

01:10:10.980 That'll be an interesting battle going on there.

01:10:15.820 Where are we?

01:10:16.660 I'm just scrolling through the comments here.

01:10:18.400 I don't see anybody you can trust but Pierre Polyev.

01:10:23.440 Well, we'll see.

01:10:24.780 He's another I spoke to already.

01:10:26.700 It's somebody saying,

01:10:28.000 oh, they'll take a journalist over a politician. 1.00

01:10:29.620 Thanks, Claudette.

01:10:30.460 But yeah, we get too many journalists.

01:10:31.480 The world could get a little rough.

01:10:34.280 You know, Mark saying a bunch of nice words.

01:10:35.780 nice words out of him and i guess out of me i know some people say i should come in a little

01:10:38.740 harder i just we know we're a newer show we're getting some good candidates good guests on and

01:10:43.500 i want them to be we're gonna be hard but i want to make sure to respect them we want to keep them

01:10:47.020 coming because again i some of these questions he didn't want to talk about supply management he

01:10:51.020 didn't give much of an answer but at least he was asked equalization senate appointments these

01:10:55.780 candidates don't want to touch those questions and we got to keep pushing at them with them

01:10:59.800 and make them well what it stands on and if they don't follow through well

01:11:04.320 Well, there's the ongoing problem with politicians in general.

01:11:08.400 You have to start with the questions.

01:11:11.980 Where else have we got here?

01:11:15.020 Back away. 0.81

01:11:15.700 Wait, a lot of comments.

01:11:16.600 Sorry, guys, I'm just trying to catch up.

01:11:19.200 Who's paying or controlling all these celebrities to boycott RBC for funding pipelines? 0.57

01:11:24.260 Yeah, that's an interesting issue, isn't it? 0.77

01:11:25.700 All those goofballs coming out there and calling for boycotts of things.

01:11:30.080 Celebrities, I don't know, but I am going to, she got tied up by work, 1.00

01:11:33.080 But Melissa Embarkey, for people who know her, is a First Nations person in Alberta, works in the energy industry as well.

01:11:40.220 Very well spoken.

01:11:41.500 She's been on the show before and she's very outspoken on Twitter.

01:11:44.660 And we're going to talk about that.

01:11:45.700 I was going to try and get her today, but work, of course, you know, those of us got to pay the bills, got in her way. 0.97

01:11:50.160 So we rescheduled her and she should be coming on on Wednesday. 0.99

01:11:52.820 And we're going to discuss just that.

01:11:54.600 Because if you see her on her Twitter account as a First Nations person, 0.99

01:11:58.500 And she's not been very happy about seeing some of these celebrities

01:12:00.520 speaking on her behalf and talking about what's good for her people

01:12:03.660 up in northern B.C., you know, as they're pretty presumptuous.

01:12:07.480 These, you know, if we want to keep talking about privilege and so on,

01:12:10.220 we don't get much more privilege than these Hollywood celebrities

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01:13:53.740 it great you know you have giant yachts flying all over the world first class no less i've walked

01:13:59.580 past first class seats before they look very comfortable um but then they want to tell us

01:14:04.060 i'll tighten their belts they want to tell us to just don't worry as biden said just drive electric

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01:14:16.940 It's easy, isn't it? Why not? These guys are totally disconnected from reality.

01:14:21.460 But unfortunately, they do seem to have an influence. Look at the press they get.

01:14:24.040 This is a bunch of ding-dongs, you know, these celebrities. 0.87

01:14:27.580 I mean, hey, I'm not going to try and tell them how to act. I don't know how to act.

01:14:32.260 Man, but I do know politics. I know energy. I know the Bush. I know First Nations people.

01:14:37.080 I can speak to those things. These Hollywood hammerheads can't, but they continue to.

01:14:42.180 So, again, I'm looking forward to seeing what Melissa has to say about and to these guys on the show as we get going on that.

01:14:49.640 So let's see some of the other news items.

01:14:51.140 Reid Surs, he was the ambassador who was in Kabul and took off out of there like a bat out of hell 1.00

01:14:55.900 when the Taliban came packed back in there and left 1,250 Canadians behind.

01:15:00.860 So there's a common special committee have summoned him for questioning and asking why he closed the embassy

01:15:06.600 while thousands of Canadians and Canadian allies were pleading for help.

01:15:11.400 Well, these politically appointed ambassadors often aren't necessarily people of the best

01:15:15.000 character. They're just the people who have the best political connections. I tell you,

01:15:18.700 it's a nice gig if you can get it. I did know somebody who was an ambassador at a location

01:15:23.980 once years ago. We visited, I won't bother with which country and so on, but you live this life,

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01:15:34.080 salary basically is just going straight into your bank account. It is among some of the top gigs to

01:15:38.760 get if you're a well-connected government person. But when push comes to shove, when it really

01:15:42.760 actually comes to doing your job, you're not just there to renew people's passports if they lost

01:15:46.980 them or things like that, and you've got a conflict like that, and you've got a lot of Canadians and

01:15:50.980 Canadian allies in trouble, that's when an ambassador should show their mettle and be strong 0.93

01:15:54.840 and stand for those citizens. And yeah, it means taking a risk sometimes, but no, we saw this

01:15:58.720 appointee, and I don't know who appointed him, but I got a strong suspicion. I do. I just fled

01:16:02.860 the scene and said, sorry guys, I'm out of here. And tail between the legs, abandon those people

01:16:07.040 back there to a terrible fate. Dave talked about this. Customs officers at airports are going to

01:16:13.760 be armed. It shows how long we got away with things in Canada with them not being armed this

01:16:17.540 long. But part of the problem is gun coding smugglers and gangland criminals are now

01:16:23.140 present, they say, in the department. And yes, I mean, the guns, that's what we keep getting back

01:16:28.160 to with these registries and trying to criminalize legal firearm owners. It's not where the guns are

01:16:34.340 coming from they're being smuggled up criminals are bringing those guns up and no laws targeting

01:16:40.240 duck hunters firearm collectors target shooters trap shooters he's going to stop that it's not

01:16:45.400 going to stop it yet and uh it's gotten to the point i guess where so many are coming across that

01:16:50.400 uh yeah we're having to have more arms for our customs agents because this gets dangerous you

01:16:54.860 know i mean i imagine a pretty dangerous person to uh get into conflict with is somebody who's

01:17:01.120 smuggling a firearm, I can think of a viewer that I'd like to have a problem with. Ashley

01:17:07.120 pointing out lithium mining is worse than gas and oil. Yes, you know, that's, people forget,

01:17:12.620 you know, that there's this talk, we're going to go electric, go electric, go electric.

01:17:16.540 Going electric comes with a cost. It's not just magical power from the sky, sunshine like that.

01:17:22.220 It doesn't work that way. And these heavy metals, lithium, cobalt, things like that,

01:17:27.000 there are mines in some very environmentally sensitive areas. There's terrible, almost slave

01:17:31.700 labor being used to get it out of there. Don't virtue signal sipping your windmill powered heated

01:17:37.720 latte and think that you're saving the world by switching to these things. You're just transferring

01:17:42.900 it. And it's often to somewhere worse. But one of the things is the smearing of the oil and gas

01:17:48.140 industry. Think of the idiot Trudeau, what he did, banning tankers on the West Coast. There was some 1.00

01:17:52.240 virtue signaling. But something that doesn't help, and this is interesting, so a Department of

01:17:57.540 Transport report talks about we were supposed to have this world-class federal oil tanker safety

01:18:03.680 system, and it lacks clarity and focus. This program, this is just for a system, $395 million.

01:18:10.360 They launched it nine years ago, and it's just a bunch of paperwork and crap. I think even nine

01:18:16.280 years ago, the liberals knew, we're just going to, you know, or whoever, farther up, just we're

01:18:21.440 going to ban these tankers anyway so we don't have to worry about having a plan to clean it up

01:18:24.220 if any of them leak but it makes us look all the more unsafe i think their solution would be well

01:18:29.680 we can't safely even though it's so rare when those tankers do leak by the way but they were

01:18:33.720 going to say we can't safely do it so we'll just maintain the bans you know it just makes me think

01:18:39.860 of some other things the ocean's not as sensitive as people like to put it out to be like look all

01:18:45.520 the way back to world war ii i mean because the way they act they act as if an oil tanker leaks

01:18:49.000 the world's going to end. There's no recovering. It's going to be irreversible. We don't want to

01:18:53.700 see one leak. It's terrible. It does make a mess. It'll kill birds. It'll hurt fish. It'll do a lot

01:18:57.520 of damage. Think of World War II, though. How many thousands of ships loaded with bunker oil,

01:19:06.120 crude oil, refined products got sunk. They were sunk daily. Dozens and dozens and dozens of them

01:19:12.060 daily for years. And they surely caused a lot of environmental damage when it happened. Absolutely.

01:19:19.000 But the ocean recovered. It did recover. I mean, we want to mitigate environmental harm. You see, there's this zero harm cultists almost. I mean, it comes to them with the COVID as well, and it comes with the environment. You can't get zero. You just want it as low as possible. Or somebody putting out the BP leak in the Gulf. Yeah, that pumped an incredible amount in, and it did damage. It did damage to the shrimp industries. It was not harmless, not by any means, but it recovered. It does recover.

01:19:44.400 So let's quit pretending that these tankers are some sort of horrific things that could bring the world to an end.

01:19:50.700 They're something we want to safely get across the ocean without leaking, absolutely.

01:19:55.340 But the hysteria when it comes to them is just beyond the pale.

01:20:00.640 And it just gives more excuses, again, to these delusional, green-type advocates and people to try and shut in our industries and stop us from exporting to the world. 0.97

01:20:10.040 which ironically leads to them burning more coal, firewood, dung in some of the developing countries

01:20:16.600 because we can't send them ethically sourced, clean energy sources that we've produced over here

01:20:21.400 because we get this fear-mongering about transporting it even. Speaking of transport,

01:20:27.080 let's see the Canadian Pacific Railway, which is now in strike. What a mess that is.

01:20:31.700 As if we needed more supply and chain issues, as if we needed more farmers having a hard time

01:20:37.800 because they need it very much for fertilizer, for crops, for seed, you name it. The agricultural

01:20:44.680 industry is still one of the key areas where the rail is important, and this is not going to help

01:20:50.680 them whatsoever. Let's just hope this thing gets settled as soon as possible. Meanwhile, they are

01:20:56.740 facing, and that's been our top story for a bit now, the Canadian Pacific Railway is facing a

01:21:00.900 lawsuit from 84 of its employees, and they're seeking a million dollars each in damages over

01:21:04.860 of the country's COVID-19 policies. They were placed on unpaid administrative leave on December

01:21:10.520 2021, and they're claiming damages for violations of their rights under the charter. A lot of this

01:21:17.100 is going to go on. I mean, it's not just people pushing back against the government. Some of

01:21:19.800 these, well, CPs, I almost call semi-private. They're so regulated and such a monopoly, but

01:21:23.920 either way, they're going to start paying a price for it. I see CNRL has finally gotten rid of all

01:21:28.360 of their, I believe, mandates on that sort of thing. As Nico's shown there, yeah, CP strike

01:21:33.160 is hitting saskatchewan hard of course because saskatchewan really needs that rail as people

01:21:37.840 are saying as pat pointed out they need the fertilizer and they need seed and they need a

01:21:41.780 lot of things that are transported ammonia and they can't get it it's going to slow it down it's

01:21:46.620 going to set it back and i mean they've already been dealing with drought and everything else so

01:21:49.620 15 percent of cp's workforce is in saskatchewan and this strike is going to hit them very hard

01:21:55.600 potash potash for the uh it's a huge product in saskatchewan where they mine it and export it and

01:22:01.780 send it around and it's a component for fertilizer as well. Rail, it needs rail. So let's hope that

01:22:07.460 strike gets settled. It's all over the pension plan, I guess. What else have we got coming up

01:22:13.720 here? I got scrolling through. I think we're going to get ready for what's coming up tomorrow.

01:22:22.160 So yeah, I've been talking with others, by the way, I'm trying to get those other candidates

01:22:25.580 on. I think I might have Leslie Lewis coming pretty soon. And I do want to talk to each and

01:22:30.020 every one of them. As for tomorrow, speaking of energy, though, I'm going to have the president

01:22:34.360 of the Canadian Nuclear Association, John Gorman, on. We're going to talk about that really gets

01:22:38.840 thrown and forgotten all the time. Nuclear is a power source. Saskatchewan has loads of uranium

01:22:44.560 and we can very safely produce nuclear energy. And then some of those smaller,

01:22:49.900 what do they call it, modular nuclear power plants, things like that, whether it's the oil sands,

01:22:54.360 I think they're sending one to the Arctic. We've got the energy prices through the roof.

01:22:57.900 all these clowns are always pushing us for windmills and solar panels that don't produce

01:23:02.020 nearly enough power. Nuclear isn't necessarily the most efficient either. But if we're looking 0.89

01:23:06.740 at alternatives, we shouldn't be dismissing it. It doesn't emit. It's very safe these days,

01:23:12.360 despite what people like to fearmonger about it all the time. And it's going to be a good talk

01:23:16.780 with him. So John Gorman of the Canadian Nuclear Association and Western Standard columnist Dave

01:23:21.900 Makachuk. And it's funny, he's going to be talking about Arctic sovereignty. As Sheree came up on

01:23:29.100 there too, and I didn't expect that, but it's true. I spent some years working up there.

01:23:32.720 And I am really, this is where Canada has really dropped the ball on sovereignty.

01:23:36.960 We've really screwed up. I mean, you look at the map of Canada and the amount of space we

01:23:41.440 claim way up north there, and there's a lot of resources in that space, but we can't even get

01:23:46.820 to it. We aren't there. The dew line's gone. We don't have bases up there. We don't have citizens

01:23:51.840 up there because it is too horrible and miserable. And for a large part of it, I ranted about this

01:23:56.040 earlier, we can't get to it. When the ice cap is out there, the only thing that'll get around is

01:23:59.540 heavy, heavy duty icebreakers. We have some degree of that, but not heavy enough. Or Arctic subs. We

01:24:04.720 don't have any of those. Meanwhile, China, Russia, the United States are all playing games under our

01:24:09.020 ice with those nuclear subs. If any of them wanted to start taking Arctic resources off us, what the

01:24:14.600 could we do about it and what could our claim be i mean if we went to a world court you know if i

01:24:18.680 were a judge in some world court and i got these countries all saying we want that this chunk of

01:24:23.000 the arctic it's ours it's ours it's ours say well canada says it's theirs but there's no roads to it

01:24:29.640 no people living in it they don't have any they haven't developed it they even shut down their

01:24:32.840 only pipeline that was proposed to go up to anuvik to uh to deal with it well why have they got a

01:24:38.360 claim on it if they're not even doing anything with it you know the russians could say well

01:24:41.960 well, we're going to develop it. The Americans could say they're going to develop it because

01:24:44.560 they got the means to get there. Even China. China has better access to the higher reaches

01:24:49.020 of Canada's Arctic than Canada does. That's pretty embarrassing. And it's a problem. It's a big

01:24:54.000 problem. And we better address it. So Dave Makachuk wrote a column on that and we're going to talk

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