Join us as we discuss the chaos that is the UCPP leadership review, the European Union's response to the Trudeau's trip to Europe, and our thoughts on the recent mail-in vote. Recorded in Vancouver, BC!
00:09:14.000You know, we need to go into a leadership race and bring somebody else in.
00:09:16.560Like, we're seeing a lot of ugly political play,
00:09:18.420And I really think the party's losing a lot of credibility right now.
00:09:22.380Well, and that's the real problem is that if you want to go through, if the whole purpose of this is to have the members cast a say on whether they want, whether they, this, the actual question on a leadership review ballot is, do you approve of the current leader?
00:09:38.680yes or no. And the reason why you do that is you want to have a lot of enthusiasm and support
00:09:44.060demonstrated for your current leader, because that then helps to build the momentum, especially
00:09:48.020if you're going into an election year. If there's nothing but concern and it's fraught and there's
00:09:53.640worry and there's people casting doubt on whether the outcome is what they announced, then that's
00:09:59.840going to have the exact opposite effect. It's going to backfire. And so there is a potential
00:10:05.060of losing the war after you've won the battle.
00:21:55.800And in point of fact, it was already too late for her, and we ended up facing a more formidable challenger in Jim Prentice, and we all know how that one ended up.
00:22:06.000But that's got to be what's happening with Rachel Notley as well, because she hasn't said too much when you think about it.
00:22:12.280She's probably in that frame of mind that when she looks at who she would rather be facing in the debates and who she'd be rather facing in the election,
00:22:21.580knowing that the premier is fighting off his own party, she's probably thinking this is the perfect
00:22:27.580contender, that she probably wants to keep Jason Kenney there, which is why she's just biding her1.00
00:22:32.580time while the infighting does her work. So you're right, talking about grinning ear to ear,
00:22:38.940this does nothing but help her in her re-election bid. Yeah, well, we'll be watching with morbid0.99
00:22:45.900interest as the party tries to figure out what rules they're going to release, and they better
00:22:49.380get on it soon because now everybody's speculating which makes it even worse and adds to the mistrust
00:22:54.020so thank you very much for for coming on to to join me today and i i believe you had some other
00:22:59.380interviews that are coming out pretty soon as well that uh they're gonna be posted um
00:23:04.900oh yeah actually if you want to thank you for allowing me to to promote that actually this
00:23:09.380morning we just interviewed less than lewis and uh jean charret i'm going through a series of
00:23:14.100interviews with the the leadership candidates so the next one will be pierre polyeth and patrick
00:23:19.060brown i think those are the big four contenders at the federal level and that's to me really
00:23:22.740exciting i think that we've got uh there's some very good conservative leadership candidates
00:23:28.180and so hopefully that'll be a more uniting process than what we're witnessing at alberta right now
00:23:32.580yeah there is a vigorous race going on there that's for sure all right well thank you very
00:23:36.420much danielle good to talk to you about this and uh well as i said we'll keep watching with interest
00:23:40.420as it all unfolds you got it thanks carrie yes that was danielle smith who uh does a number of
00:23:47.380of things all over with the Alberta Enterprise Group now, and does shows with Uncensored on
00:23:51.880the Western Standard here occasionally, and of course is very experienced with, well, political
00:23:56.660infighting and a lot of these sorts of things. This brings back a lot of memories. This is
00:24:02.020something we conservatives seem to do with ourselves a lot all the time. I'm just looking
00:24:07.900at some of the commenters and, you know, some people saying, oh, the Western Standard wants
00:24:13.320not Lee Beck. Yeah, right, guys, come on. And we've posted things, we've posted columns from
00:24:18.440cabinet ministers in support of Premier Kenney. We take all opinions here and go into them. I mean,
00:24:24.680they're certainly on the opinion and some people who have their views on it, absolutely. But the
00:24:28.900publication in itself isn't taking a side in this, though we are a conservative sort of thing.
00:24:34.600The main question I see from a lot of people, though, is if not Kenney, who? And that is
00:24:38.820one that's hanging there. It's a tough question because Brian Jean isn't necessarily
00:24:42.580everybody's favorite to, you know, going forward either. He isn't necessarily who they'd want to
00:24:47.340see replace Kenny, or they might feel that he's more able to win the next election. As Danielle
00:24:52.100kept pointing out, the main thing is we're looking a year from now at a general election. So who is
00:24:56.900going to keep Rachel Notley from getting another term as premier? Who's the best one to do that?
00:25:03.640But again, I'm seeing this in, it's not just the infighting, but it's the dirty play. It is,
00:25:09.760It's dirty. Come on. You had a process in place for months, a process that was like pulling teeth
00:25:15.620to get in. And then you're changing the rules at the last minute. In mid-stride, you're changing
00:25:21.880how it's going to be done. Talk about ruining trust. And as Danielle and I were saying,
00:25:26.160so the only way they're going to pull off a mail-in ballot at all, they've got to kick the
00:25:30.720date farther down. There's no way. When we're looking at just a little over two weeks now from
00:25:34.940what was the prior date. Those ballots would have had to been printed and mailed out weeks ago. We
00:25:40.580know how Canada Post works. You're lucky to get something within a week at the best of times.
00:25:45.140So now if you talk about a giant way of changing the rules, kicking the entire race an extra month1.00
00:25:50.980and some, that's a load of crap. That's a load of crap. That's like, my campaign's not doing very
00:25:54.680well, so I need to buy another month to work harder on it. It doesn't work that way in general
00:25:57.740elections, and it shouldn't work that way in something like this. But it's desperation,
00:26:01.880right this desperation they saw that they're going to lose i mean they're making that excuse oh we
00:26:06.200wouldn't be able to accommodate everybody in red deer and and that's true that the turnout was so
00:26:10.920massive that it would have overwhelmed them but as danielle was saying and she's right when you
00:26:14.840got one and a half million in the bank i mean you had 15 000 people spending 100 bucks each to do
00:26:19.480this you can set up polling centers all over the province that wouldn't be that hard at all
00:26:25.720not with that kind of money they didn't want to do that they wanted to change the system
00:37:00.880MPs Bernard Zimniok, Christine Anderson, those two are from Germany,
00:37:06.060Mislav Kalakisis of Croatia, and Christian Teres of Romania
00:37:10.420all took the time to get up and outright slam Justin Trudeau
00:37:13.980in terse words as they addressed the Parliament.
00:37:16.380Not only do they have little respect for Trudeau, they were repulsed with Trudeau's treatment of Canadian citizens over the course of the convoy protests.
00:38:54.040because he really so effectively goes into Mr. Trudeau.
00:38:57.760So it's worth playing for everybody viewing.
00:39:27.760that they can't pay children's schooling, that they can't pay drugs,
00:39:33.760that they can't pay records for oil and water, that they can't pay rent and credit for their homes.
00:39:41.760For you, these are maybe liberal methods.
00:39:45.760However, for many citizens of the world, this is the greatest dictatorship.
00:39:57.760being a dictator of the worst kind. This is the European Parliament talking this way about him.
00:40:02.980He brought up the horses trampling women at the protests. He brought up how people's bank
00:40:07.560accounts were being seized so people couldn't pay their bills and mortgages. Again, it's incredibly
00:40:13.140rare. It's such a breach of general diplomacy for members to get up and actually rip into a
00:40:20.540diplomatic guest at that parliament. But, you know, as I said, most of the others were polite
00:40:25.220enough. They just said, ah, we're going to go elsewhere and we just will, you know, we'll show
00:40:30.240our dislike of Trudeau in our absence. In this case, though, a number of them also felt compelled
00:40:37.140to get up and rip into him. What an embarrassment. And every time Justin leaves this country
00:40:43.780going out and representing us, he embarrasses us. Now, you see, under the cover of Canada's
00:40:49.360state broadcaster, like the CBC, another media outlet's beholden to the Liberal Party for
00:40:54.280government subsidies, Trudeau's managed to retain a degree of support within Canada.
00:40:59.360The mainstream media has managed to polish the turd, essentially, so to speak, and maintaining
00:41:04.340Trudeau's popularity, at least within central Canada. In other countries, though, the only
00:41:09.240images they've seen of Trudeau are unvarnished by the Canadian media. They get the raw stuff,
00:41:13.920guys. It's like the Super Bowl in the States. They can get the full commercials, not this
00:41:17.440Canadianized version that we're all spoon-fed up here. They see Trudeau for the vindictive,
00:41:22.500shallow little man that he is. Trudeau's virtue signaling and cute socks won't endear him to
00:41:28.580serious world leaders. It repulses them, and it shows. Canada was once a respected international
00:41:35.000player on the world stage. We punched above our weight in diplomacy, and our leaders were
00:41:41.640welcomed when overseas. I mean, you never would have seen them rip into Prime Minister Stephen
00:41:46.000Harper like that. You wouldn't have seen them do that to Chrétien or Mulroney or even Trudeau
00:41:51.240senior. But this himbo of a prime minister we have right now does not command respect. And by1.00
00:41:57.620extension, that means Canada loses respect on the entire world stage. Our prime minister is now
00:42:04.400greeted with a cold shoulder at best and open contempt at worst when he visits other nations.
00:42:10.400It's going to be a long climb into world respectability in Canada in the years to come.
00:42:14.640It's clear that we can't begin our recovery of respect in the eyes of the world until Justin
00:42:19.320Trudeau is no longer the nation's prime minister. With the deal Trudeau cut with Singh, we may not
00:42:25.260even be able to begin that recovery for a few years now. Canada has become an international
00:42:28.800laughingstock under Trudeau. And there's little indication that enough of the country is ready
00:42:33.180to get rid of him yet. It's just a sad, sad state of affairs, to say the least. And that's all I got
00:42:40.080to say about that. At least when it comes to Trudeau over there. I mean, just you got to shake
00:42:44.040your head. Every time that guy leaves our borders, this is what happens. But look at the people he
00:42:49.720surrounds himself with too. Are you going to send Freeland over there to represent us? Are you going
00:42:55.700to send Seamus? I mean, he surrounds himself with people as dumb as he is. So we can't send a group
00:43:03.660out there to represent our country and gain that respect that so many, I mean, the people in
00:43:08.840Canada's forces, I mean, yeah, there's pictures of Trudeau and his India trip, his ill-fated India
00:43:13.320trip where he, you know, played dress up and danced around and again, embarrassed us all over
00:43:18.060the world scene. It was astounding. I mean, that trip went on for weeks and the headlines from
00:43:22.160Europe, the headlines from India. I mean, he didn't flatter them by playing dress up in their1.00
00:43:27.060traditional clothing. He insulted them. And India is a fantastic trading partner. They're a country
00:43:33.240that's been, you know, they've got their challenges, but they're growing as a democracy and an economic
00:43:37.760powerhouse. And in Canada, of course, we have a load of people of Indian descent. I mean,
00:43:43.460they're fantastic Canadians. And to have that clown go over there and make a laughingstock
00:43:49.420of himself, again, on our behalf. I mean, Premier Modi, or Prime Minister Modi, I think it is.
00:43:55.120But he traditionally, when world leaders would come, would always greet them at the airport
00:43:59.340with a hug. Trudeau managed, though, to get snubbed by Modi in that case. Like, he just
00:44:05.800cannot garner respect when he leaves our country. And again, it ends up embarrassing us in the long
00:44:12.460run. And it's just a shameful, shameful display. So yeah, politics, you know, I guess in a
00:44:19.840self-centered way, it serves us well at the Western Standard because we've always got a lot to report
00:44:25.900on. These guys give us plenty to work with, unfortunately, on the provincial level, on the
00:44:30.320federal level, even in our civic level, it's hard not to get pretty dejected sometimes when we see
00:44:36.100the shenanigans of these people that we entrust with leading us, that we pay a great deal of money
00:44:42.020to represent us. And they do stuff like this. We have Alberta embroiled in a bizarre internal1.00
00:44:50.660party leadership race where the rules are getting bounced all over the place. I won't be surprised
00:44:56.080When I was talking to Daniel Smith about that at the start, that we might have two or three conservative parties forming in our legislature after this leadership debacle is over with.
00:45:08.280If they manage to keep Premier Kenney in with 55%, 60%, 70% support, look, I mean, some of those guys have already drawn their lines.
00:45:16.660As we saw, the MLA Jason Steffen today has said he's demanded Kenney resigns.
00:45:24.360There's no way that Kenny can keep him in his caucus after this leadership review.
00:46:52.700And no, I really thought Premier Kenney was going to turn things around, do a very good job, and get on with things.
00:46:59.140And unfortunately, it's turned into an irreparable internal fighting rat's nest that is cutting the faith of all Albertans in that party and in politics in general.
00:47:08.480We've got a lot of important issues to be addressing right now in our legislature, and unfortunately, it's completely distracted by the infighting going on with all these guys right now.
00:47:18.580As I said to Danielle at the end of the interview, the only person who's smiling right now is Rachel Notley.
00:51:01.000potentially while in residential schools, right?
00:51:04.160Nobody really knows the answer to that except perhaps those who are now in charge of collecting the data.
00:51:12.900The National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation has been appointed to do all the follow-up from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada that produced a six-volume report and supplementary reports in 2015.
00:51:34.160but we're not getting the straight goods from them. There's a lot of information that is not
00:51:42.580being provided to the public, even though their mandate is to communicate to the public
00:51:48.780the information they receive, given the requirements of confidentiality in terms of
00:51:55.520protecting innocent people, people who want their names revealed. But the sum total of their findies
00:52:33.660Let me just give you one example that's come out very recently just in the last few days. The National Center for Truth and Reconciliation, which is located where I'm living just very close to my home in Winnipeg, Manitoba, has on their site said there are 4,100 and something missing children that they have recorded.
00:53:02.020At least they've recorded their names.
00:53:04.120Some cases they don't have their names, but they know they're missing.
00:53:08.040There are children that allegedly went to a school in the morning or not in the morning.
00:53:13.580They were living at a residential school.
00:54:55.900Yeah, and there were a lot of challenges.
00:54:58.180I mean, if you could imagine being on the prairies 120 years ago, managing a school with a lack of funding, a lack of resources, and the harsh environment you're dealing with, it's a difficult circumstance.
00:55:09.920And not everybody's going to have a pleasant memory of that time, I would imagine.
00:55:12.640Well, the most unpleasant feature was the fact that many children had a bad experience
00:55:23.520in the schools because Western education was very alien to them.
00:55:32.200Traditional Indigenous education was not based on sitting in a classroom, memorizing
00:55:38.200text, doing times tables. It was based on observation. It was based on participation.
00:55:47.620It was based on observation. It was a totally different system of learning, a system that was
00:55:55.580part of our Western tradition, a system that was also alien to many Western children who went into
00:56:02.640school coming from homes where their parents were illiterate or semi-literate coming to a school
00:56:09.680was a difficult experience as as many of us can attest to from our own experience in school
00:56:17.520and we do overlook often i mean some i guess you could call them success stories or non-critical
00:56:22.160people who came through that system as you mentioned in your story with uh marchand uh
00:56:26.800he had uh many good things to say about his experience and time there and and he went on
00:56:31.120to be very a very successful canadian as have many uh students of the school that we don't hear
00:56:37.280about very much because they're not reported on but a an informal group of people that i've been
00:56:44.640involved with for several months is is slowly but surely gathering data about about these issues
00:56:50.560about the missing part of the indian residential school and we're trying to compile a list of
00:56:56.560successful school participants and Marchant is only one of thousands yes I
00:57:05.800mean there were definitely you know nobody's saying that everything was done
00:57:09.280correctly or everything was done right or you know that some of the the
00:57:12.580initiatives were probably very misguided but again and we just we need to have a
00:57:17.160narrative that's balanced on on what happened historically if we're gonna
00:57:20.560learn from this? Well, I wonder how much those who are in control of the narrative want us to
00:57:29.100learn about it. There's a dark hole there that is only slowly being filled with supplementary data.
00:57:39.760much of the look it there are hardly any missing children from these schools
00:57:49.720where these children are buried are in the archives there are no parents looking for
00:57:58.560children no named parents looking for named children who never came home from the schools
00:58:06.300not one how could that be so where where are these archives kept then is this in ottawa somewhere
00:58:15.500they're in ottawa they're online there's tons of stuff some of them are in provincial archives
00:58:21.820some of them are in church archives uh they're all over the place but they're slowly being gathered
00:58:28.780and analyzed. The people who have access to most of this data are, as I said, the National Center
00:58:36.300for Truth and Reconciliation, but they're keeping their cards pretty close to their chest.
00:58:42.460We have to ask what the motive is. We have to look at the big picture in this regard.
00:58:47.740What is the function of all of this? Is it to really help Indigenous people? Or is it to
00:58:54.620satisfy the greed of a small number of people it's not that small in fact of a number of people
00:59:01.580who've repeatedly been called even by the Toronto Star many years ago the Indian industry a an
00:59:10.060informal coalition of lawyers activists advisors researchers journalists politicians Indian leaders
00:59:24.620et cetera, et cetera, who are benefiting from the, from the existing narrative.
00:59:31.580I recall a book, I believe it was called First Nations Second Thoughts.
00:59:34.700It came out a while back and they went extensively into what they, they called it
00:59:37.760that time, the Indian industry as well.
00:59:39.480But it's true there, there is a lot of people who make a very healthy living out
00:59:43.620of the status quo and in just constantly seeking more and more settlements,
00:59:47.960more and more compensation, every one of these bureaucrats and lawyers who get in0.51
00:59:51.500between, they make sure to get their cut before it even gets to.
00:59:54.500whoever they're ostensibly speaking for and they have a very strong motivation to make sure to
00:59:59.520keep things as negative as possible. The National Center for Truth and Reconciliation has over 20
01:00:07.840full-time employees. On the other hand, one member of this informal group I'm associated,
01:00:16.220One lone researcher, unpaid, has collected better hard data than they are releasing to the public on the existence of these missing children and showing that they're not missing at all.
01:00:31.700finding birth certificates for them. I'm sorry, death certificates, finding places where they
01:00:37.580were buried, and none of them buried in these unknown graveyards in the middle of the night.
01:00:44.740Nearly all of them buried in the cemeteries on their home reserves.
01:00:51.700Yeah, there's been a lot of anecdotes that are taken into evidence rather than
01:00:55.480actual documents when it comes to a lot of the hearings and reconciliation, things such as that.
01:01:01.040And anecdotal evidence is, unfortunately, I mean, it can certainly be truthful, but it can be very weak as well.
01:01:08.980The main battle here is between, in terms of the search for truth, is between truth based on emotion and truth based on facts, analysis, and logic.
01:01:27.480Yes, well, and emotion, unfortunately, is always true.
01:01:31.020ruling emotion is ruling the day yes and there's so much anger i mean there's this constant state
01:01:36.860of apology and and uh you know self-humbling again isn't helping it's not bringing anybody
01:01:42.900together the first nations communities don't seem to be any better off or functional for this this
01:01:47.940trend lately it's not not a good direction we're moving in i would suggest they're worse off for
01:01:53.300all of the monies that have been coming in most of it siphoned off by the indianist industry which
01:02:01.220is not these days uh given a more politically correct term as the aboriginal industry uh but
01:02:08.580it's all in one in the same uh i wonder if i can i can bore you for a second with a very important
01:02:15.620list with all the money that's been coming in the billions of dollars here i have to read a little
01:02:21.220bit because there's too many for me to remember the indigenous people on and off reserve exhibit
01:02:29.940the highest rates of the following features criminal behavior and incarceration they have
01:02:36.260the lowest incomes compared to all other canadians the highest rates of unemployment
01:02:42.180not a non-working population the highest rates of poverty uh the highest welfare dependency and
01:02:49.220homelessness rates, the most inferior housing, the highest rates of infant mortality, the lowest life
01:02:57.060expectancy, the highest rates of disease and illness, the highest school dropout rates,
01:03:02.900the highest rates of child apprehension, fostering and adoption, the highest levels of suicide,
01:03:09.620the highest rates of sexual abuse, and the highest rates of single motherhood,
01:03:14.980and the highest rates of murdered and missing women. That's a tragedy. 500 years of contact
01:03:24.740and Indigenous people are the worst off of Canadians. Yet billions of dollars have been1.00
01:03:31.700spent allegedly to improve their life chances. Where's the money going? Why haven't their life
01:03:38.100chances been improved more than they have? Maybe it's because what has been done is to reinforce
01:03:44.180the dependency of indigenous people because dependency intergenerational welfare dependency
01:03:52.420in particular lies at the root of all these adversities i just listed yeah it's been a
01:03:59.060frustration i wrote on that in the past myself actually because i worked in the oil field for
01:04:03.460a long time spent a lot of time on or near isolated uh indigenous reserves and and the
01:04:08.740standard of living by every measure unfortunately was terrible and I mean how can somebody spend
01:04:14.260time on those areas and I spent you know a couple of decades in that industry and see how it's
01:04:18.500degrading and it's getting worse and point to it and say it's sustainable how can you look at that
01:04:22.980and say the reserve system this isolation based on race this this segregation is working and the
01:04:28.900people losing the most are the poor people living on these reserves that they're having a terrible
01:04:33.780time we need a change in direction this change of direction unfortunately is will be very difficult
01:04:44.260to enact because of constitutional reasons the embedding of uh treaty rights treaty rights in
01:04:51.620the constitution the indian act and many other uh legal phenomena decisions of judges going well
01:05:01.060beyond what the law says, and so forth. It's making it very difficult to turn the situation
01:05:07.340around. Indigenous people have the right that all Canadians have to protect, preserve, and enhance
01:05:16.520their heritage, regardless of where they come. Normally, in the past, that has been a private
01:05:23.840a private issue between individuals and their community. The former Trudeau changed all that
01:05:31.920with his policy of multiculturalism, official multiculturalism, throwing a lot of money at
01:05:39.280ethnic communities. But the people who have been left off worse by that policy have been indigenous0.95
01:05:46.320people. Yes, it's just not a good end. It doesn't seem to be getting better. Something else you've
01:05:52.240done you'd written an open letter uh for the pope he's going to be coming to visit at some point
01:05:57.200i'm not sure if he's going to come to visit uh there's talk about that but uh six bishops
01:06:04.160are part of a delegation which also includes indigenous people and other persons they're
01:06:10.720going to rome next week to meet with the pope to discuss the some of the issues we've been talking
01:06:15.280about here, and in particular, to appeal to the Pope, at least the Indigenous part of the
01:06:22.240delegation will be asking the Pope to come to Canada and make an official apology, which the
01:06:28.100bishops have already done last year, a very fulsome apology. I don't know what's going to
01:06:35.920come out of it. One ingredient of the apology is basically to apologize for converting Indigenous1.00
01:06:43.960people to christianity or asking them to convert which it to me
01:06:53.080is beyond any comprehension my comprehension anyway how can a church say we're sorry
01:07:05.080well it's it's it's been the nature of churches for a long time i mean i'm gonna
01:07:09.560go out on a limb and assume that you're not Catholic. The Catholics had been pretty strong
01:07:16.200armed in their attempts to convert people historically over hundreds of years, but
01:07:20.360those times have stopped. That is the basis of a religion, though, if a person's a true adherent,
01:07:25.560is you want everybody else to come on board at one point or another.
01:07:29.320Well, Catholicism, Christianity generally, has not been strong-armed people like some other
01:07:36.840religions we know about. Nobody will say, you know, accept, do this or you'll be subject to a0.89
01:07:44.040beheading. It's always been voluntary, it has to be heartfelt. The children who went to these schools
01:07:51.800went to schools that their parents belonged to because the Catholics were here with the very1.00
01:07:58.600first explorers, the very first traders, their very first merchants. The Catholics are there
01:08:05.240in the front lines and people accepted christianity all through the new world with some
01:08:13.000notable exceptions here and there but it was accepted so by the time children were ready to
01:08:18.680go to this to school they had already been baptized so people saying you know they were
01:08:24.280forced to accept catholicism or anglicanism or whatever is absolutely false they went to the0.80
01:08:30.520schools parents sent your kids to the schools that they belong to yeah and then the religion
01:08:38.040i mean religious groups were a large part of what what settled the west initially or helped i mean
01:08:42.760they ran institutions that now we consider traditionally to be government run but i grew
01:08:46.920up in in banff for example and the mineral springs hospital was still actually uh managed by nuns at
01:08:51.880that point back in the 70s uh because initially a lot of hospital schools these were things that
01:08:57.160actually the religious organizations contributed to more than government it wasn't unique just to
01:09:02.520first nations reserves the catholic church is the largest educator in the world today
01:09:10.840and it also still has hospitals today it's a medical treatment all over the world
01:09:18.840yeah so i mean it's uh we got a lot of fingers pointing on a lot of things unfortunately if we
01:09:23.720are going to talk about truth and reconciliation. Unfortunately, we've been kind of lacking a lot
01:09:27.880on both. So there's a lot of work to do, a lot more statistics to be dug into and looked at.
01:09:35.560Where can we find more information on your work? I see you had a Substack account?
01:09:40.360Yes, I have a Substack account. If you look on Substack and just look for the real
01:09:49.640indian residential schools newsletter you'll find it or also at hymie.substack.com
01:10:02.760great well there's only it's a big issue and i appreciate you coming on to talk with us a bit
01:10:06.760about it today i know in 15 20 minutes there's still only so much we can hit uh perhaps we can
01:10:11.240talk again further down the road i mean this is still developing and we're still learning
01:10:14.920and people are still as you said letting emotion dominate uh statistical realities right now
01:10:20.360so uh well i just uh thank you again mr rubenstein for coming on anything else you'd
01:10:25.240like to add before going i'm just that this is still an open question it is not we do not have
01:10:31.480the full answer to what happened at the indian residential schools and we should keep an open
01:10:37.800mind about it until we get sufficient evidence to make a better decision that has been made
01:10:45.240so far particularly by the federal government on our behalf all right well thank you very much and
01:10:53.240you have a good day out there in manitoba and hopefully we'll talk again soon thank you for
01:10:58.040having me on hey thanks so yes that was a he's a retired professor of anthropology jaime rubinstein
01:11:05.000he's uh out in manitoba where he was at a university and as you can see he may be
01:11:09.880retired as a professor but he's still very very active and and busy and digging into these uh
01:11:16.040statistics and i see i was under a bit of a uh misconception as well i i didn't realize there
01:11:21.880were quite i knew there were records but i didn't realize they were perhaps quite as as prevalent
01:11:25.880and and uh able to be found as there are you know so there's archives there's uh church records
01:11:32.120things like that. Perhaps not all of them are being forthright in sharing them, but we know
01:11:37.400they're there, then we should be digging into them. I mean, things that have been done wrong,
01:11:40.800we know that, but let's get the truth of it out there. Let's find out what exactly was done wrong.
01:11:44.780What was done where? I mean, as he said, emotion is overwhelming things. I mean, some of these
01:11:49.020things are horrifying to conceive of. I mean, when we see the imagery from mainstream media,
01:11:53.300we see things like, you know, an unmarked possible cemetery, and we try to put our mind into at least
01:11:59.660what we're being told of uh children being taken and and then passing away while in a school and
01:12:05.360you never get the the body returned but do we know that that's exactly what happened in each case like
01:12:09.960we need to investigate we need to see what happened with these a lot of those cases we're finding out
01:12:14.040that wasn't the case these were long known cemeteries these were cases again of people call
01:12:20.020them mass graves they weren't uh this was also a period of time when spanish flu was going through
01:12:26.040these schools uh tuberculosis is going through these schools uh you know native or not there's
01:12:32.840some some terrible things people could suffer and pass away with and again it's not to say some
01:12:37.000things in those schools were all great um we know outside of indigenous schools some some religious
01:12:42.280based schools that abuse students terribly that that were seen you know in newfoundland and a
01:12:47.080great number of other areas the bottom line is we need the facts we need to dig in and find out
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01:14:56.180Yeah, I mean, some of the hearings talking about, I mean, if we want to talk about the
01:14:59.280residential school hindsight and looking into things and studying them,
01:15:04.020also the investigation more contemporary if we're looking in hindsight is with all of the COVID
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