00:21:28.020I like to see lasting policies that are going to make it through, you know, so a tax break will do that.
00:21:38.340A check in my pocket is a one-off, and the government remains bloated, it remains spending, it remains troublesome.
00:21:45.480Though, you see, people see the savings a lot faster when they get a check in their hands or a transfer or something like that.
00:21:51.020that uh that's uh rochelle saying is the visa the pumps uh won't that attract uh over the border
00:21:57.140crossing for gas yeah possibly but you know that pays off for albertans as well if people are
00:22:01.840coming from saskatchewan to fill up or uh we'd have to drop in a whole lot to get cheaper than
00:22:06.000montana for example so i don't think we'd get a lot of that anyway a bit of bc there always has
00:22:10.600been i don't know if people traveled a lot up from grand prairie to dawson creek for example
00:22:15.440but there's a gas station a fast gas at least there was it's been about eight or nine years
00:22:20.660since I've been up there. And it was literally right on just into the Alberta side of the border
00:22:24.500up there in BC. Because that way BC people could fill up their tanks before they pop into British
00:22:30.360Columbia and, you know, save a few bucks on the fuel because it's always been cheaper in Alberta.
00:22:37.400So, I mean, if we reduce it at the pumps, it could lead to a bit of that, but it helps Alberta
00:22:40.600producers again. The other thing is, though, if you reduce it at the pumps, that doesn't do at
00:22:46.020least as directly or as quickly. It doesn't help people who don't drive personal automobiles.
00:22:49.740it uh doesn't uh you know they don't feel there are some retailers i mean some people rightly
00:22:56.980point out well they might not necessarily you know if the 10 cents a liter comes off the alberta
00:23:00.840provincial gas tax uh does that mean that it will also come 10 cents off at the pump and if it's
00:23:07.420not a principal gas station owner that might not happen so uh i think he's going to throw the check
00:23:14.760at us that's that's what i think or maybe even a monthly thing for a little while you know so that
00:23:18.520it feels good for a bit. I mean, he's going to, we're looking a year away from the next
00:23:22.100general election and he really needs to turn things around. I'm just going to quickly check
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00:24:14.780a day-to-day basis. Okay, we're back. And I do see Dan sitting in the lobby there, which is great.
00:24:23.880I will pull him into the show here right away and we will get chatting. So, hey, Dan, good to see
00:24:30.840you again. Corey, it's always a pleasure. Just what a day. Oh boy. Yeah. Well, for a person with
00:24:36.200your specialty, some of the commenters have already been looking forward to seeing you. I
00:24:39.680mean, you've been outspoken on energy issues and consumer issues for a long time. And as I
00:24:44.700kind of said now's the period where it's a mixed blessing where you can say I told you so I mean1.00
00:24:49.600you've been shouting this from the rooftops for a long time and now it's really come home to roost
00:24:53.160hasn't it well you know I live here in eastern Canada in Oakville it's nice to be able to finally
00:24:57.220look at my neighbors and say uh uh you believe me now what did it take a dollar 85 a liter heading
00:25:04.300to two dollars a liter before uh uh you know you finally woke up uh my uh my kids say it's a little
00:25:10.180bit like shaking someone's head and hearing the rattle here um there's a little less of that now
00:25:14.220thankfully. So, I mean, you know, something you didn't see, I'm sure, not many of us. I mean,
00:25:20.080we saw the lack of local energy security, and we've been kind of throttling our local production
00:25:25.140abilities and transportation abilities for oil and gas. But we didn't anticipate the Ukraine-Russia0.92
00:25:31.500war to really take it and exacerbate it so quickly like this. We're in kind of a lot of trouble
00:25:36.760across the country. This, you know, on top of the inflation from a lot of other factors,
00:25:40.140we're in for a rough ride I imagine. Well look denying your own resources and your ability to
00:25:46.120help stabilize the world after what 30 40 years of being subject to the vagaries of
00:25:51.080inflation and OPEC should have waken people up to the reality that the hard-fought move in the
00:25:57.780mid-20s 2003 to 2010 both to increase Canada's oil capacity and the U.S. fracking wasn't done
00:26:07.860out of you know uh you know out of the goodness of our hearts or because we got we were bored it
00:26:12.020was done because the alternative uh was that we were on our knees and uh you know at the beck and
00:26:17.900call of those who had uh oil and those who had hydrocarbons the fact that we got there only to
00:26:24.440find a generation of people uh now saying times are good you know money's easy uh we got all our
00:26:31.780fat pensions we got all of our roads paid for and all our hospitals paid for not really but
00:26:36.520But, you know, I think we've taken for granted the very thing that gave Canada a substantial boost in its prosperity over the past 20 to 25 years.
00:26:47.680And we've looked a gift horse in the mouth by saying, hey, who gives a damn that we can raise 25 net billion dollars from the oil and gas sector that pays for our hospitals, that pays for education, that pays for our roads?
00:26:58.840And it doesn't matter where you are in this country.
00:27:01.460I think what's happened now, Corey, is that this is a little bit like dumping a coal pail of water
00:27:06.980on everyone's head and making them stand up and realize, hey, you can't take these things for
00:27:11.900granted. You got Russia laughing. You got the United States embarrassingly going on bend knee0.56
00:27:17.080to Iran and to Venezuela, two countries with great environmental track records, great human rights
00:27:23.240records. Now we're saying, oh, can we get a bit of oil, please? Because we were too busy shutting
00:27:27.660down the keystone xl pipeline i spent a lot of time working with media in the united states in
00:27:32.620my previous job at gas buddy and it's uh it's amazing they could not see what was happening
00:27:37.420in canada the deconstruction the attack the activism the foreign funded groups that were
00:27:43.260destroying our oil and gas sector while canada sat back and live high on the hog the americans
00:27:48.700didn't believe this is going to happen well now reality is beginning to bite and uh they're having
00:27:54.620none of it unlike many canadians who is realized far after it's too late america's actually
00:28:00.380preemptively saying to mr biden you and your congress uh you and your democratic friends over
00:28:05.500in the house of representatives get ready because we're going to put you on the 30 yard line and
00:28:08.940we're going to punt you right through the end zone yeah they've got some midterms coming up that
00:28:13.100they're not looking very good for right now and nothing uh sours political support faster than
00:28:17.420hitting everybody in the pocketbook just before the election but they don't seem to be showing
00:28:21.500like what i'm wondering are we going to learn and i mean we in general not to mention that the
00:28:25.420government's learning from this like biden as you said is going and groveling to saudi arabia
00:28:30.220but he's never uttered a peep on even considering increasing canadian supply we're right on his
00:28:34.460doorstep and he just absolutely will not consider that as an alternative no no because they're
00:28:39.740beholden to the uh to the green grifters who have been uh having a good run of his party i mean
00:28:45.180there's actually some people i speak to many of my friends in america in america say they didn't
00:28:49.340like trump but uh that it was sure a heck a lot better back then than it is now look uh you limit
00:28:55.340your options when you forget the recent history of your country and americans have to be able to
00:29:00.940understand that uh their place in the world and you know global security goes hand in hand with
00:29:05.900energy security the extent to which you compromise that you play games with that you'll learn the
00:29:11.420lesson the europeans are learning even boris johnson today knows that his net zero fantasies
00:29:16.140have been blown to smithereens. Like it or not, they've got to frack. Like it or not, they've got
00:29:21.740to build nuclear. Like it or not, they've got to accept that oil is still very much a part of the
00:29:26.380foreseeable future for the next 50 to 60 years. So all these ideas of, you know, this political
00:29:31.620demagoguery of, you know, we have to have net zero by a certain period of time. We have to get
00:29:35.520rid of, you know, internal combustion engines. That is now very seriously being challenged and
00:29:40.860not by folks like me or you. When Elon Musk says you got to make more oil, it kind of makes it a
00:29:45.560little interesting for the greenies to go out and say that you know it's all about climate we have
00:29:49.560to get rid of these things no one in the right mind wants to go down that road and so I think
00:29:53.300we have to have policies in this country based on reality not stuff of you know magic and make
00:29:58.900believe and a narrative that I think has been you know has led us to this point where demagogues
00:30:04.180and very you know unsavory dictators like like Vladimir Putin and like you know Maduro and
00:30:11.040others hold the balance of power by holding the energy which we currently have well so i mean
00:30:18.240are we seeing any rumblings of reality coming from the east now i know energy east for example it
00:30:22.240wouldn't help us right now unless it was already in the ground of producing are we finally starting
00:30:26.560to set our sights farther down the road like uh we understand that you know it would take years
00:30:32.320to get some sort of good energy corridor going you know connecting the country east to west
00:30:36.880but can't we get started on this thing realistically not regulating it to death not
00:30:41.280trying to throttle it and we're not seeing any of that discussion starting either well you know the
00:30:45.440damage is there isn't it but then the main line which is energy east is already built to ontario
00:30:51.040people it was two-thirds built you sat around you farted around you did your your nonsense uh
00:30:57.040you need the same thing for you know uh for uh trans mountain pipeline you wound up costing the
00:31:01.440taxpayer tens of billions of dollars that could otherwise go to i don't know programs that would
00:31:06.560help Canadians especially in difficult circumstances instead our virtue signaling our desire to ignore
00:31:13.840reality our desire to wish away that which is obvious a little bit like the governments are
00:31:20.000taking the view that you know the sun rises in the west and settles in the east I mean if we
00:31:23.600want to be a bunch of flat earthers about this that's fine but perhaps you want to choose another
00:31:28.160job rather than leading a country because what you've done here is led the country down a very
00:31:31.520dangerous path it can't pay back its bills it's not attracting capital it's incapable of maintaining
00:31:39.120its economic growth at a time in which prices have risen 60 cents a liter just in the past
00:31:45.120you know two months alone i don't see how we're going to get out of this unless someone finally
00:31:49.520has the gumption to stand up and say um it's pipelines stupid it really is and that's what
00:31:56.640what it's coming down to. Yeah. I mean, there's no single item really of any kind of good we can
00:32:01.820point to that raises every single aspect of our standard or cost of living aside from energy. I
00:32:07.220mean, that one's a, you know, when it goes up, everything goes up. We can't avoid that. I mean,
00:32:11.100we're just, like I said, seeing the first tastes of the inflation. Once trucking companies,
00:32:16.220farmers, of course, producers, we're going to be in a great deal of trouble once those prices come
00:32:21.460all the way down to the consumer level. Trans Mountain, there's another one, as you said,
00:32:25.780I mean, they bought it because they'd cornered the company and pushed it too far, but that
00:41:33.000It's not for sale. It's not for you to take. Well, these guys are standing up for you,
00:41:38.220but they need your help to do it as well. Of course, you've got to join up, take out a
00:41:43.520membership with them. It pays off for yourself. It pays off for them. So Canada Shooting Sports
00:41:48.200Association, you can Google them and find them. It looks like Crystal Drury said she bought her
00:41:51.440membership. So great. Or unless she met with the Western Standard, either way, buy a membership
00:41:56.120with both. CSSA-CILA.org. Okay. And yeah, it was more of the talk. We've got, yes, a lot of
00:42:04.820discussions on what might be happening with today's announcement from Premier Kenny.
00:42:11.160Somebody talked about the old popcorn and beer talk. Yeah. Boy, you know, if it does turn out
00:42:16.220to be a handout to people, there's going to be a lot of that discussion. There's going to be a lot
00:42:19.300of rhetoric. And I think it's kind of a simple attempt at a solution for a complicated problem.
00:42:25.020And Kenny's a smart man and, you know, he doesn't look at things simplistically, but
00:42:31.280at the same time, he's a guy who's in a bad corner right now and in some trouble when
00:42:35.320it comes to keeping his party's head above water.
00:42:39.840And with these high energy prices, as I said, they're good for Albertans as far as the government
00:42:44.280budget goes, it's great for companies.
00:42:46.680If you're working in the energy sector, it's fantastic.
00:42:49.880But if you're like most Albertans and you're a consumer or just pretty much anybody in
00:42:53.220Canada, these high energy prices are putting a heck of a lot of pressure on them and they're
00:42:58.320having a hard time. I mean, we had inflation issues going on already thanks to massive federal
00:43:04.320government overspending. Well, actually every level of government was doing it throughout the
00:43:06.880pandemic. The Bank of Canada is now raising interest rates, that's raising costs. So we've
00:43:12.480got a big jumbled, massive inflation and cost of living hikes hitting us right now. And it's
00:43:18.580putting people on a foul mood. And the last thing Premier Kenney wants right now is people being in
00:43:25.100a bad mood when he's facing a leadership review on April 9th. So we're going to know when, well,
00:43:30.920the conference is supposed to start at 1230. But those who follow Jason Kenney's conferences,
00:43:34.820you know, it's going to be closer to 1240 or so. And if Rick Bell gets a question, it'll be 1250
00:43:38.700because his preambles take a long time, though they're fun. So we will see, but we're going to
00:43:42.860get an answer to that. That's going to be something big in the news today. I see Michelle in the lobby
00:43:49.980if she's ready to roll. It's a little early, but I'm quite fine with that. So we have Member of
00:43:55.560Parliament, Ms. Michelle Rempel-Garner here. She wrote a column for the Western Standard recently
00:44:00.700on proportional representation, which is not something we hear from conservatives that often,
00:44:05.360but it's different getting that point of view on it. So let's bring Michelle in and talk about why
00:44:09.660she felt compelled to write this. Hey, how you doing? I'm good. Thanks for having me, Corey.
00:44:15.920Oh, good to see you on the show there. And yeah, you've, well, you picked some good years to be
00:44:21.460in Ottawa, that's for sure, to keep life interesting and lively. That vote, I did state
00:44:28.200earlier because I did start the show with a bit of a rant on the motion to guarantee Quebec seats
00:44:32.680in Parliament. I did point out you were one of those who voted in favour of your constituents
00:44:36.680and said that this isn't the way to go but it still leaves a remaining problem then and a lot
00:44:41.360of things with our electoral system and votes and you've written something on pitching proportional
00:44:46.660representation maybe you can expand on what compelled you to write that up well I mean look
00:44:53.060I think the vote was the catalyst for me the fact that western Canada doesn't get equal representation
00:45:02.000compared to other regions of the country in the house of commons it is an accelerant for western
00:45:07.880alienation and people in my community this is not a partisan stripe issue like people want to be
00:45:13.800represented equally in the house so when i watch this vote play through and i understand
00:45:17.900in theory why some of the members of my caucus voted that way our party leader voted for the
00:45:24.380block Quebec law motion, some of our leadership candidates abstained on the vote. But I guess we
00:45:32.740have to wonder if there's a better way, right? And it's not just about regional representation,
00:45:38.440it's also about region representation along ideological lines. There are many people in
00:45:43.740Canada, left and right, who don't feel like their vote counts, be it a social conservative who's
00:45:51.720living in downtown Toronto or a social progressive who's living in rural Saskatchewan. I think that
00:45:59.320those voices need to be addressed in terms of how our electoral system is managed. And frankly,
00:46:08.340even just watching some of the drama in my caucus play out over the last couple of months,
00:46:15.000it feels like history is just repeating itself with social conservatives, social progressives,
00:46:21.720fighting, carrying grudges forward over years, everybody, you know, badly behaving. And it's
00:46:28.120like, is there not a better way? Do we have to do this? Do we have to ask people to put water
00:46:33.620in their wine? As I said in the column, I'm hopeful that the leadership race that the
00:46:40.660Conservative Party is in right now will be a pressure release valve and will serve to
00:46:45.080unite that caucus but I think long term these are issues that we have to address perhaps by
00:46:52.220looking at electoral reform again. Yeah so you talked about a part of the problem I think one
00:46:58.220of the things that's hindered proportional representation movements in general is a lot
00:47:02.140of those systems to try and cover every contingency become really complicated you know you talk about
00:47:06.280a mixed members type of system because one of the risks you have is well you could lose your very
00:47:10.880local representation, if it's a pure proportional representation system, you know, that could be
00:47:17.200selected, your representatives could be selected by a central party leader rather than yourself
00:47:21.280or things like that. But then once you build in such a big complex policy like that, we saw in
00:47:26.840BC, for example, it went to referendums a couple times. And personally, I think the reason they
00:47:30.660rejected it was that your average voter couldn't wrap their head around it. I totally agree. And
00:47:35.460that's why I didn't advocate for a specific system in the article. But I think it is something that,
00:47:44.400to your point, Corey, hasn't really been colloquialized or explained well to the voting
00:47:49.800public in terms of a value proposition, what's in it for the voter, and then addressing it in
00:47:55.440very simple terms, in terms of how can we change the system to make democracy stronger. That's not
00:48:03.060to say that those efforts aren't important. But the other key thing I firmly believe is that any
00:48:09.460changes to the electoral system has to be done in some sort of nonpartisan consultation way so
00:48:16.400that it's not about politicians gaming it for their own benefit. And also it has to be taken
00:48:22.720to a referendum. You know, I don't want to surmise the voters of British Columbia rejected it just
00:48:28.040out of complexity they might not have wanted that system but I think it's also different looking at
00:48:33.420it from a federal perspective than it is necessarily from a provincial perspective because
00:48:37.560our country I've door knocked in almost every part of the country and we have regional concerns we
00:48:43.400have different we have urban versus rural concerns um and and I have to think that there is some room
00:48:50.140for the Canadian public to talk about what democracy 2.0 looks like in Canada almost you
00:48:56.500know pushing on 200 years after confederation so i think it's something that i would encourage
00:49:02.380you know particularly conservative and western conservative voters to really think about
00:49:06.920in terms of that it could actually allow us to form government in the future and perhaps
00:49:12.960allow regional voices to be heard in a more constructive way well that's been part of uh
00:49:19.200i guess the the soup that the conservatives have had trouble trying to to make for years i mean
00:49:24.380provincially, federally, all over. We've got the libertarians like me who are prickly individualists
00:49:29.880who are always crabby about any authoritarian changes. We get social conservatives who get
00:49:34.500crabby about people like me who don't respect their... I like your prickly libertarianism though,
00:49:39.560Corey. It's good sauce. Well, much appreciated, but not everybody does. And people take things
00:49:45.460personally and you get meetings and people storm out of the room and off we go and there's another
00:49:49.160splinter party um i i see kind of what you're saying i mean with a pr sort of system you you
00:49:55.360can give a vent to that even if it's a minority position if it's only 20 of the the party group
00:50:00.160well they're going to feel represented though because they actually have people on the ground
00:50:02.920in there not somebody who's always just uh i guess campaigned effectively but on a campaign
00:50:07.400of compromise which sort of doesn't really and that's the thing like i i think when you when
00:50:12.460you look at the political culture across canada right now there there is a lot of people across
00:50:18.380political spectrum who don't feel heard and like that frustration is boiling over into civil
00:50:24.780disobedience and ignoring that sentiment is is is super damaging for canadian democracy so we should
00:50:31.900be asking how do we channel that into a way that people can have confidence that the democratic
00:50:37.340system in canada is working and i i don't believe that going to a different electoral system
00:50:46.460precludes the right of center in canada from forming government it might just mean that we
00:50:51.180have a constellation of parties who agree to work and push forward on you know the 60 to 80 percent
00:50:58.540of things that we do agree on that we need to have uh addressed in the country but also agreeing that
00:51:05.580we're not going to compromise on that other 20 percent so i i i just i i think what i've watched
00:51:14.300in the last year, Corey, is really important issues in the country be weaponized for political
00:51:22.360gain, be simplified down into sort of tribal comments that I think are just super damaging.
00:51:32.280And we should have a democratic system where challenging each other's political dogma is
00:51:38.000healthy, as opposed to it being this, you know, you know, like as Trudeau and others have said,
00:51:43.940You know, like like these labels, like these basket of deplorable labels that serve no one.
00:51:49.060So, you know, you and I can agree to disagree on certain issues, but I bet you we agree on a lot of things.
00:51:54.100And that's, I think, where the productive consensus building conversation could come from.
00:51:58.320And we wouldn't be voting on things that dilute Western Canadian voices in the House of Commons any longer.
00:52:04.820Yeah, well, and I'd like to see. I mean, there's one of the frustrations I've always put out on the system in general.
00:52:09.800I mean, I'm a little more negative as I was pushing more towards independence every year as I live.
00:52:13.580But all the same, if, you know, imaginary reforms could come, great, or not necessarily imaginary, real ones down the road, one of the things that drives me nuts is whipped votes.
00:52:22.280I mean, with the emergency, for example, something so contentious and big as that and nuanced as that and regionally charged, yet everybody voted.
00:52:32.560And I was almost as disappointed with the uniform voting of every conservative against it as with every liberal for it.
00:52:38.040because i i figured that many hundreds of people there's got to be a few who are differing from it
00:52:42.220but there was no way they were going to speak up and and step out of line and that's just not a good
00:52:46.640form of government i mean like anybody like how like i think there's two alberta liberal mps i'd
00:52:53.080be curious how they voted like how how could they in good faith vote for that bill like i i don't
00:52:59.080how could any of my colleagues in good faith who are from western canada vote in favor of that bill
00:53:04.200And that like having that that ability to say, you know what, this is not in the best interests of my constituents.0.88
00:53:14.340Let's go back to the drawing board. That's not a bad thing.
00:53:17.340Like, I don't know where, you know, the Canadian public has allowed the centralization of power in, you know, the leaders offices of various political parties.
00:53:26.320like that's actually a I think what that that culture has created and everyone's guilty of it
00:53:31.660is this sense in the Canadian public that dissenting voices can't be heard um and and there's
00:53:39.040got to be a better way so you know I hope that this column like my goal with it was not to be
00:53:43.700prescriptive on any particular system but just to say even from my own lived experience in my own
00:53:49.720party um you know we've we've won the popular vote but we haven't formed government we've gone
00:53:57.160through two very contentious ousters of leaders you know one who was on the red tory side one was
00:54:04.040on the blue tory side there's got to be a better way and i just hope that the canadian public will
00:54:09.160say like look we might not agree on all policy but maybe we should agree that you know the canada of
00:54:14.9202022 might need a system upgrade from the one that was put in place and you know all that time time
00:54:21.560ago right so yeah no i mean to go into every system and all of that i mean there are literally
00:54:28.240entire books about it and you can't cover that much in a column it would have killed me as an
00:54:32.100editor to try and get through that i think it would have killed the reader too so yeah but at
00:54:37.040least to broach the subject i mean i i was speaking with a recent guest about systems as well
00:54:42.120and he pointed though Italy you know you have a unfortunately an endless turnover of governments
00:54:46.700because they have a you know a piece of parliament there where they just can't seem to find consensus
00:54:50.460and then you're in a constant electoral mode you know again it's there's probably ways you could
00:54:56.380build a system where you have better checks and you don't end up in that kind of cycle as well
00:54:59.880but you got to start the discussion somewhere I guess. I agree and I also somewhat reject all
00:55:05.760the comparisons of Canada to countries like Italy or other European countries where you just don't
00:55:12.700have the regional diversity. Canada is 33 plus million people living in a vast regionalized
00:55:21.780economy versus a similar population in a small, not regionally diverse European country. So
00:55:29.080I think that from that perspective, we are perpetually going to be talking about
00:55:35.540the weight of Western representation versus the weight of, let's say, Quebec representation.
00:55:42.060And I don't think that either of those are wrong conversations to have. I understand why people in
00:55:46.480Quebec want to have guaranteed representation in the House, because it goes back to their culture
00:55:51.380and their regional identity and their economic needs. It's actually not a dissimilar argument
00:55:57.160from the ones that I would make on behalf of my constituents in Calgary. The difference is that
00:56:04.080all of the policy discussions to date have been focused on instead of saying how can both regions
00:56:09.520win it's one has to be at the expense of the other and i don't like there's got to be a better way
00:56:15.120to do do it than that and i i also think that you know even if we're arguing on behalf of quebec
00:56:20.960let's say a different electoral system could perpetually allow a party like the bloc quebecois
00:56:26.960to have fairly significant representation in the house of commons because there's a significant
00:56:31.760chunk of Quebec voters who vote on regional identity issues first. And so I think from that
00:56:38.520perspective, Canada is a different context than other countries like Italy, where perhaps regional
00:56:44.620interest and that trying to build regional consensus of policy could support and justify
00:56:50.360a change to the electoral system. So the first step towards it, I guess, is just even opening
00:56:55.860the conversation. As you said, it's unusual for conservatives to talk about. Part of the problem
00:56:59.500too, is any party, once they're in power, is usually going to feel favorable to whatever system
00:57:03.580got them there in the first place. So they have a built-in disincentive against reforming it.
00:57:08.600Prime Minister Trudeau had promised electoral reform on his way in, and it fell pretty quickly
00:57:13.420by the wayside once he got there. What steps do you think, you know, if people started wanting
00:57:18.800to move towards that, where could we go in a sense? It would have to be a non-partisan move
00:57:22.300in some sort of means in order to get it there in the first place, I believe.
00:57:26.360I totally agree. And it's that's why, you know, it's certainly not to my political gain to put this forward. But that's why it has to be a multi partisan approach, right? So me coming out and talking about this, and I know there are other conservatives who feel the same way that I do, but perhaps aren't ready to sort of come out of the closet on this issue yet.
00:57:45.360I think it paves ground for people of all political persuasions to say, you know, we might not agree on policy, but we agree that there there might it might be time for some change or some upgrading to the system.
00:57:57.840So I think step one is acknowledging that this is a valid topic of concern and could be it could be something that benefits democracy as an institution in Canada.
00:58:09.720The second thing, you are so right, Corey, this cannot be driven by partisan elected officials, because it'll never come to pass if it's just held at our discretion.
00:58:22.540I think that any changes to the electoral system has to go to a referenda.
00:58:27.660But I also think that elected officials should have a say in what works and what doesn't from lived experience.
00:58:38.100But there has to be that balance between citizens driving it for the betterment of democracy and elected officials saying, look, we're working in the system.
00:58:48.640Here's what we think could work or what wouldn't.
00:58:50.920And then ultimately have the public say, have their say in a referenda.
00:58:54.840Yeah, well, I think more people these days just due to, it just seems to be a perpetual state of crisis lately.
00:59:00.700Or at least concluding that the system as it stands just isn't working.
00:59:04.720it's not working uh how it was originally intended and and there's no indication that's
00:59:08.400going to improve anytime soon so i i just appreciate some of the discussion then at
00:59:12.160least it's systematic change rather than just policy change because we've got to
00:59:15.840change how we're doing things not just what we're doing i mean the the frustration that we're seeing
00:59:22.000in the canadian public right now is justified and we have to look beyond what the policy irritants
00:59:27.600are be it pandemic restrictions or you pick the topic um we have to look beyond that and say why
00:59:34.400are people feeling like they can only resort to civil disobedience as a way to be heard because
00:59:39.600that's a problem for every Canadian regardless of how you vote and I think that that sense of
00:59:48.000loss of control that many Canadians went through through the pandemic I think it's exacerbated or
00:59:54.160it's magnified these these the the sense that democracy isn't working for Canada and that is
01:00:02.160something that the Canadian public should be concerned about, regardless of how you vote.
01:00:07.840Democracy only works when people believe that the system reflects their wills and their will and
01:00:15.040needs, right? And I think that there's a sense not just in Canada, but in other developed countries
01:00:20.640that the system is failing in that regard. So if we don't have the Canadian public's
01:00:27.280buy-in that democracy is working. I mean, even look at the Emergencies Act being used in
01:00:32.660parliament. I think that eroded public trust across political stripe as well. If we don't
01:00:37.600have that public trust, then how do we have any legitimacy in terms of continuing the narratives
01:00:42.920that we're on? And so I think it is time, particularly after the pandemic, after this
01:00:47.580shared national trauma, that we take a step back and we say, is the system working? Can we improve
01:00:55.060upon it. And again, I'm not advocating for any particular system other than what I'm saying is
01:01:00.860we have to acknowledge that it's not working and I'm not convinced that, you know, another election
01:01:08.180is in and of itself is going to fix that. Well, I appreciate where you're going. I know what's
01:01:15.760that? I said it's ending on such a cheery note, Corey. Oh, it's probably for my show. I'm always
01:01:20.320a sour guy going on about the negatives anyways. But again, I mean, it's similar to I was talking
01:01:25.440earlier about systemic reform to the feeling of it, things almost have to just get a lot worse
01:01:28.840before people are ready to make it better. So to start at least looking at different ways to do it
01:01:34.220before it's forced upon you is a more proactive way to examine it. So I appreciate you opening
01:01:38.720the discussion on the proportional representation. As I said, people aren't even talking about
01:01:42.020systemic change. So maybe we can get some more discussion going and actually lead somewhere in
01:01:46.620years to come. Great. Well, thanks for having me on your show today. Well, thank you very much and
01:01:52.440look forward to, well, seeing what you get up to in these crazy years to come here in Parliament.
01:01:57.380Take care. All right. Thanks. So yeah, it was Michelle Rempel-Garner. I know she's not the
01:02:04.020most popular with everybody, but she's speaking on issues that, well, hey, which politician is
01:02:09.200popular with everybody? And it was different to get out and speak of something outside of the box,
01:02:14.120even if it's something whether you agree with or don't agree with. We got to start talking about
01:02:18.520these things. Where are the few things we agree on? Well, Ms. Garmer, Rempel Garner,
01:02:25.260these long names mess with me, agrees that the system's not working. That's a start.
01:02:32.380Personally, I don't think we'll be able to fix it from within. It's kind of what I was talking
01:02:35.080about before. We have to get to a point of succession. But then if, let's say, the West
01:02:40.320says they want to go. We finally get that referendum or a province would have to under
01:02:44.620the Clarity Act. Maybe a couple did. Well, fine, but what's the system after that? Where do you go
01:02:49.100in an independent new nation? You wouldn't want to bring in the exact same system you just fought
01:02:54.560to get out of. My concerns isn't usually so much when I look at those sorts of things though with
01:03:00.400the form of system like proportional representation or first past the post as we have
01:03:07.180currently, I want to see more decentralized power. That's the thing I think we need to do.
01:03:13.420We got a lot of regional disparity going on, right? We got different views in different parts
01:03:18.180of the province even. Edmonton thinks quite differently than the people over by Lethbridge
01:03:23.060and the people in different parts of Lethbridge think differently than the people up in Grand
01:03:28.080Prairie, you know, and Calgarians are their own voters as well along those lines. You need to be
01:03:33.980able to address those regional differences rather than always having a centralized control because
01:03:37.500that's how you get the breakdown of unity. That's how you get people frustrated. That's how you get
01:03:41.240independence movements. I mean, in Canada, we're trying to mash everything in from a central
01:03:45.380government in Ottawa when Alberta, BC, Newfoundland, the territories were all very different from each
01:03:51.620other. And yeah, as you for conservatives saying, greater autonomy for all provinces. The thing is,
01:03:56.860we've got to change the system if we're going to do that. And that means constitutional change.
01:04:01.200And again, I don't think it's going to come without a full unity crisis, such as a province being on the brink of or actually getting out.0.63
01:04:10.700We were talking earlier about different systems like the Italians.0.64
01:04:13.280Yeah, they've got a – and when it comes to mixed parliaments, that's the problem.
01:04:19.280They've got a whole raft of parties there, and they're always fighting like hornets, and they're going into one election after another election after another election.
01:04:26.640But, I mean, I look at countries like Switzerland, and I've talked about them before.
01:04:30.120I just love them as a European model. I mean, they're small, they're landlocked. They got 26
01:04:34.240cantons, you know, they're divided into 26 little pieces of variable things. They got four official
01:04:39.520languages and their federal government is extremely weak. It's just there for national
01:04:47.420issues, you know, national defense, currency, I think postal services, you know, a number of
01:04:53.280things that they feel have to be done by the federal level of government. Everything else
01:04:56.660comes down to the local level. And if you listen to the centralized government, the authoritarians,
01:05:03.460the ones who believe the status quo in Canada should work, they think if we could make Ottawa
01:05:07.980just powerful enough, it'll unify everybody. If we could just force everybody into that box harder
01:05:14.020and harder, they'll become unified. But it does quite the opposite. Just ticks us off. It's like
01:05:18.820trying to shove a couple of magnets with the polarization, you know, they're going to push
01:05:21.900away from each other. You can force it, but you're only making it worse. So, I mean, we've got to
01:05:26.700examine systems that can allow for local diversity of thought, different points of view. You don't
01:05:34.440hear about secessionist movements in Switzerland, do you? You know, I mean, I'm sure that there's no
01:05:40.220such thing as a perfect system, but boy, theirs is old. It's been there a long time, and it seems to
01:05:45.360be working really well. It's one of the most prosperous nations on the planet. Again, it's
01:05:49.700landlocked. It's got limited resources for languages. We can't even maintain two in Canada
01:05:53.820and we're all at each other's throats. You know, change that aspect of the system. Other things,
01:06:01.740you know, proportional representation. See, one of the risks and problems that comes with it too,
01:06:05.880let's say it was a simple system. That's where she was talking about mixed member proportional
01:06:08.880representation. So see, that's what I mean. It starts getting complicated. But let's say Alberta
01:06:14.040it was just allotted 100 seats this is it and every party is going to get a seat based on every
01:06:20.220percent they won in it so you know this party got eight percent support they got eight seats this
01:06:24.140party got 12 support they got 12 seats so on and you end up with a whole big mixture of all these
01:06:28.360different parties in in the legislature all representing the province so that's great
01:06:31.500but what if in my area i really liked my local candidate and uh they weren't chosen by the party
01:06:41.380they weren't one of the, say it was a minority when I voted for, you know, at 10%. Only 10
01:06:45.920representatives went to Edmonton and mine wasn't one of them. Well, why did I vote for my local
01:06:50.300guy? And who represents me? I mean, we need somebody to represent my area just south of
01:06:55.160Calgary because I have different needs than somebody just outside of Edmonton. How do I get
01:06:59.800that local representation? So that's where you talk about systems where you're going to have
01:07:02.940some local representation that'll be directly picked by the people and some who are proportional
01:07:08.140representation, which means it'll be that big pot. And then see, it starts getting really
01:07:12.540complicated and tough. I mean, hey, just get something tough doesn't mean it's not worth
01:07:16.900pursuing, but it gets really difficult. One of the things that perhaps that could be done,
01:07:21.640again, if we're talking about systems is if we had a true bicameral system in a new independent
01:07:26.340West, you'd have a Senate, but a real Senate, you know, elected. But maybe you did your Senate by
01:07:31.400proportional representation. How about that? So you kept all of your local represent, you know,
01:07:36.680elected people, as we do currently, first past the post, and divide it up into regional
01:07:41.160ridings. But then you had a second house that's just as powerful, but it was based on proportional.
01:07:48.180Then you could have both levels, and they'd have to try and figure out how to work together,
01:07:51.700one would hope. Or you could just get a bad hornet's nest and be as dysfunctional as we are
01:07:54.880now. That's the catch-22 of things. With human nature, I think, we seem to fight means of
01:08:02.520governing. I see somebody commented and said, Tamara, just to break away from that now, Tamara
01:08:07.920Litch, that's going on with her bail hearings ongoing. Canada's political prisoner. She's being
01:08:12.480held without bail on a bloody council to commit mischief charges. It's ridiculous. It's embarrassing.
01:08:18.060It's wrong. Again, it shows how Canada's broken, that you would do this to somebody. I mean,
01:08:23.740we can debate whether or not she should be charged, convicted, fine, whatever. But in our system,
01:08:30.320means you get charged with something. Unless you're presenting a threat to the public, you go
01:08:33.560out on bail and then you work your way through the system from there. They're using remand as a form
01:08:37.780of punishment and they're keeping you locked up, essentially in solitary confinement, to make a
01:08:44.460point. They make a threat. They want to make sure nobody else stands up to them. Either way, it
01:08:48.960sounds like somebody was, I just see that from the commenting, I don't know, but somebody was trying
01:08:52.740to live stream the trial, so the judge has recessed now and they want to address that. We'll
01:08:59.380see what happens. That's an issue. I know some people say, well, why can't I always just take
01:09:03.920pictures in a courthouse or live stream it or whatever? I understand it's open to the public
01:09:08.680and you should be able to get there. And it's not a matter of things so much in Tamera Leach's case,
01:09:13.520but you got to think there's some sensitive cases where people, particularly jurors, don't want to
01:09:18.380be identified for their own safety and things like that. So there are reasons for privacy in
01:09:52.740Kenny, because she was watching the conference there, okay, Kenny just eliminated 13 cents tax
01:09:55.940at the pumps. When oil is over 90 a barrel, this is in effect. Okay, that's interesting. So yeah,
01:10:00.880he set a baseline. So that way, I guess if the oil drops below 90 bucks, which looks like it
01:10:05.880could be a while before that happens, the tax will come back on. For the time being, it gives
01:10:12.780us a break at the pumps. And I thought he was going to go for the cash toss out. That still
01:10:17.280might happen as these royalties keep rolling in. I talked to Ken as Alberta's finance minister the
01:10:22.360other week on the budget. And they budgeted for $60, $70 a barrel oil. And now we're 120 or so
01:10:27.620going on. So they're going to be, the government's going to be pulling a lot more money than they
01:10:30.640anticipated. And well, you know, we know the reality of government politics. They're going
01:10:35.280to use that money to try and buy our electoral love. So I suspect we'll see more. But a break
01:10:39.760in the pumps is going to help Albertans. Even if you're not a driver, like people have got to
01:10:43.200understand, it's just like with property taxes going up. People say, oh, it doesn't matter to
01:10:47.980me, I'm a renter. Well, yeah, but your landlord is going to build that in on your cost of rent.
01:10:56.340They also got Mike Baker saying $150 rebate in natural gas. So yeah, this is streaming at the
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01:14:06.680And we're in a world where information is pretty critical. I'm going to cover a little bit more news as we get towards the end. Yes, the Freedom Convoy fundraising, you know, we're starting to get more information coming out on what happened. And let's see, it was blocked on GoFundMe after Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson's office claimed political protesters committed violence, damage and destruction. And we know, no, they didn't. But that's what they claimed when they went after the crowdfunding site. And that's what the site's lawyer saying.
01:14:32.380Well, Watson, so a longtime liberal, by the way, was referring to neighborhood allegations, not criminal charges, a spokesperson explained.
01:14:40.860So, in other words, he was talking about rumors.
01:16:17.340Jason Kenney's still holding his press conference right now.
01:16:20.500But what he's done is he said as of April 1st, the province will stop collecting the Alberta portion of gas taxes that will save 13 cents a litre off record high gas prices and also $50 a month for the next few months on the winter electrical bills.
01:16:41.800that doesn't come in cash form that will be a rebate taken right off your bill so that each
01:16:48.840and every albertans should see that on their on their household gas bills so a bit of good news
01:16:54.120for consumers today cory well that's good i mean we're all experiencing sticker shock with those
01:16:59.360those gas pump prices so i guess yeah and getting a little break on our our gas bill at home it's
01:17:04.460still winter is going to be uh giving some relief to some people i know it's been pressuring a lot
01:17:07.960right now. Yep, still going to get chilly nights out there. This week, I think we're going down
01:17:11.760to minus 20. Yeah, that's the last of it, damn it. Then we're going into spring. That stupid
01:17:16.040gopher said we were going to be in for, what, six more weeks of winter. I guess he was right this
01:17:19.860year, but yeah. Damn those gophers. Yeah. All right. Thanks, Dave. You're welcome, Corey. See
01:17:26.020you in a bit. So yeah, as Dave said, as these things break, we bring them to you guys. So yeah,
01:17:31.760Jason Kenney is cutting the provincial fuel tax and giving that rebate on your utility bill,
01:17:36.560which is good news you know uh we're getting those royalties let's use and let's keep in
01:17:41.600alberta we put them in too much of a pot you know ottawa is going to come for it uh so yeah we'll
01:17:47.520keep following up on that let's see a little more of the news here it's canada's entering year three
01:17:51.800under covid uh this is according to dr tam our federal medical health officer which is a we must
01:17:58.000ease on, focus on easing societal disruption. Okay, that's fine. But the biggest disruption
01:18:06.860we've had has been from the restrictions and mandates, not the pandemic itself. So, I mean,
01:18:11.220I hope, though I doubt, what she's talking about is doing the things to ease the disruption, such
01:18:17.220as ending the mandates and getting them out of the way so people can get back to their lives and
01:18:21.660they aren't out protesting, they aren't losing their jobs, they aren't going broke, the government
01:18:26.220isn't borrowing us into oblivion. That's what I would hope, but I got a feeling that's not what
01:18:30.700she's talking about. We need health care reform. I mean, the pandemic, you know, it's not going
01:18:36.260away. We need health capacity. We need to get, you know, it's going to have its ups and downs.
01:18:41.580And if it's not COVID, you know what, a few years from now, there's going to be another one.
01:18:45.240And we can't just keep this ridiculous myth thinking that we can govern ourselves out of
01:18:50.620a pandemic. We can't, but we have some great health care providers and we do have modern
01:18:54.780health facilities. And if we can expand the capacity and the ability to respond to these,
01:18:58.480the chances of disruption will be lower. Yeah, here we go. Cabinet's use of Emergencies Act
01:19:05.180has prompted a private bill to prohibit political discrimination in federal law.
01:19:08.860You know, this was an interesting one. So Garnett Genwiese, a conservative member of
01:19:13.940Parliament in Sherwood Park, it's a private member's bill, so it's not going to go anywhere
01:19:16.820probably, but at least it's brought up to talk about. And some of that chat, and as he said,
01:19:22.240the justice minister demonstrated political views were a factor in considering whose bank accounts
01:19:26.040would be frozen. And when he spoke up about, you know, the people supporting it being Trumpists
01:19:31.940and things like that in a pro-Trump movement, he said, if I think you're a member of a pro-Trump
01:19:37.320movement who is donating hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars, this kind of thing,
01:19:40.920then you ought to be worried, said Lamedi. Look, I'm not a Trump fan. I know I get my commenters
01:19:45.180all squirreled up when I say that, but I'm not. I never have been. I mean, he's better than the,
01:19:48.880are you better than Clinton? Absolutely, I'll agree there, but I didn't think he was all that
01:19:53.680great. I hope the Republicans come up with somebody good in the future, because they really
01:19:57.940need good government south of the border as well. But either way, whether a person's a Trump supporter
01:20:02.960or not, political targeting is a problem. I mean, just because a person's a Trump supporter doesn't
01:20:09.480mean that they shouldn't be allowed to donate to political movements and things, and this is a
01:20:13.140thought crime, and that's scary. So there's some follow-up happening in the House of Commons on
01:20:17.460that. We'll see if it goes anywhere. But we're having the post-catastrophe discussions now
01:20:22.200and looking into things. And maybe we'll get some good outcomes out of some of these things.
01:20:31.420What was this criminology professor? And this is a Western Standard story that's up there already.
01:20:36.560He says his city's so used to corruption when he brings up patterns of wrongdoing to people there,
01:20:41.680they don't even recognize a problem. You know, that says a lot. You remember the culture of
01:20:45.500People in not just Toronto, but downtown Toronto and parliament area of Toronto.
01:20:50.440These are bureaucrats, senior bureaucrats, staffers, politicians.
01:20:54.700They don't live in the same world as the rest of us, guys.
01:20:57.440They're not in the world of honour, unfortunately, for a lot of them, or a world with a lack of corruption.
01:21:07.420And Daryl Davies spent his early years in Saskatchewan, but spent most of his decades living in Ottawa as a professor at Carleton University.
01:21:15.500And he's saying he loves his city and everyday residents, but he thinks the response to the
01:21:19.320Freedom Convoy revealed Ottawa is a city of talkers who seem to just screw up everything
01:21:23.540they touch, aided by a lack of direction, lack of leadership, and lack of accountability from
01:21:27.600all forms of government. Now, that's scathing. Well said, though. I'll certainly give him that.
01:21:33.000Again, keep reading these as we go through. Oh, yeah, the UCP nomination mess, this thing going
01:21:39.560on. Jody Gateman, I've known her for a while. She was on the board with me with the Wildrose
01:21:45.460Party many years ago. Lives down in Southern Alberta. I guess she was running for the
01:21:50.560nomination in Karsten Taper Warner and they found a couple of social media postings. One she'd shared
01:21:56.480of other peoples that they felt were problematic and the committee disqualified her as a nomination
01:22:02.280challenger on that basis. Yeah you know parties always have a lot of ways to keep the what they
01:22:09.880feel is undesirables out. The UCP, as I said, is in a great deal of trouble. They've got leadership
01:22:16.180challenges, nomination challenges, stuff coming at them from all directions. I don't know how
01:22:20.880they're going to recover from it. We're looking at just a little over a month till Kenny's
01:22:24.600leadership review. He's putting out the good news things, but is it going to turn people around?
01:22:28.620I don't know. Something somebody else talked about before, there's Hoven, I think his name is,
01:22:34.680and he's challenging Jason Nixon up there for a nomination, and that's a big race. We're talking
01:22:38.400and potentially, I guess, 1,000 memberships he sold or something.
01:22:42.600If he gets cut off in that nomination, those members are going to be furious.
01:23:05.620and I'm certain he'll turn around for the next race and run to replace him.
01:23:08.400To be honest, just my view, I don't think Brian will be any better. I'm not a big Gene fan myself, but Kenny's in a lot of difficulties right now. And we'll see what is going to happen with that in these weeks and months to come. What a period of turmoil. I mean, so let's say April 9th, they do vote and Kenny is out.
01:23:28.600well then you're into a leadership race
01:23:31.240and you're going to have to want to run it pretty fast
01:23:33.180because you need to establish somebody new because we're like