Western Standard - LIVE - Triggered： Weekend of conflict looms for Calgary.

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 good morning it's march 18th 2022 friday welcome to triggered i'm cory morgan i'm feeling pretty

00:00:40.380 good today you know st patrick's day those are the days i sometimes miss drinking a little you

00:00:45.420 know getting out indulging with everybody else but then when it's the day after and i don't have a

00:00:49.300 hangover and i know a lot of people are enjoying a hangover right now i'm happy i don't drink you

00:00:54.480 any longer either way i hope your hangovers are somewhat manageable today i'll try not to speak

00:00:58.700 any more loudly than i usually do you know of all observances that come on certain days of the week

00:01:04.320 that's one of the ones that should just be set you know like the second or third friday of every uh

00:01:09.700 or saturday you know of every march or something like that because i mean these midweek ones make

00:01:13.440 it difficult for uh such an important drinking observance so either way this show is going to

00:01:18.060 be coming to you live every day for those who are on for the first time 11 30 a.m mountain standard

00:01:23.100 monday to friday except on holidays and we break in sometimes with special news events and things

00:01:28.680 like that. Comments, of course, always welcome. Good to see you all in the scroll over there

00:01:33.460 chatting. It's the good thing about being live. We can interact. I try to get comments out to

00:01:38.720 the guests when I can, you know, questions, things like that. Debate with each other. Just try to

00:01:43.100 keep everything civil when you can. You know, we can be heated, we can be emotional, but we don't

00:01:48.580 have to be nasty to each other if we don't have to. So I got a few guests on today. Three of them

00:01:53.980 lined up. Wildrose Independence Party leader Paul Hinman. Of course, the by-election ended last

00:01:58.660 week. We're going to talk about what he felt about the campaign, how it went, and where he plans to

00:02:03.820 go forward. And I'm going to talk to Calgary City Councillor Dan McLean. We're looking to be going

00:02:09.340 into a pretty lively weekend of protests, counter-protests. Police are threatening all

00:02:14.840 sorts of interesting kind of stuff going on coming into this Saturday. So talking to a City

00:02:19.520 councillor on what they're planning or hoping to do there's not much they can do as a council but

00:02:24.200 they sure can talk a pretty big game and Dan McLean this will be his first time on the show

00:02:28.400 he's he's one of the few conservatives on city council so it'll be interesting to talk to him

00:02:31.560 in general and then a quick check-in at the end with Canadian Taxpayers Federation Alberta director

00:02:36.700 Kevin Lacey the debt clock is on tour the new one with the trillion dollar number on it to be able

00:02:42.580 to cover Canada's massive and growing debt plus we'll just get a quick update on Alberta finances

00:02:48.700 and such from him. So let me get on to what I'm about. I do it for you guys, you know. It's an

00:02:55.260 act of supreme self-sacrifice. I suffer daily to do something on your behalf so you don't have to.

00:03:01.640 It's agonizing, but it has to be done. And I've selflessly taken that task on of monitoring what

00:03:06.480 the legacy media is reporting and reporting it back to you without their bias filtration. I'll

00:03:10.780 just have my own bias filtration on, but I am an opinion show. Some folks would just say,

00:03:14.600 Just ignore them, and I wish I could, but thanks to government subsidy programs,

00:03:18.880 the mainstream media won't die its natural financial death, the one that they so well deserve.

00:03:23.460 So if I'm stuck paying for these guys, I might as well keep an eye on them.

00:03:26.860 Now, despite the subsidies, most of our mainstream outlets are still losing money at an incredible rate

00:03:31.440 as they continue to cut back and contract and lay off staff.

00:03:35.940 Viewership and readership numbers are swirling the toilet as well.

00:03:39.260 It seems the more highly subsidized an outlet is, actually,

00:03:41.800 the faster their viewership and readership numbers drop.

00:03:44.120 CBC, of course, is the best example.

00:03:46.520 I mean, the CBC News, I think for the city of Calgary with 1.2 or 1.2, was it 1.4 million?

00:03:52.760 I'm not sure.

00:03:53.260 You know, well over a million people.

00:03:54.540 And I believe it's something like 5,000 of them tune into the CBC News.

00:03:58.080 That's our mother corp. 0.98

00:04:00.620 As with anything, when the government gets involved in something that should be the realm

00:04:03.960 of private industry, the quality of whatever they get their fingers into drops.

00:04:07.320 And media is no exception.

00:04:09.180 The more the state pours in, the worse the product that comes out and the faster that

00:04:12.780 people flee from it.

00:04:14.600 Canada's establishment media outlets outright embarrassed themselves with their coverage of

00:04:18.360 the Truckers for Freedom Convoy protests. The bias was outright repugnant and it put people

00:04:22.760 off in droves. On the flip side, it was good for alternative outlets. People no longer have to rely

00:04:27.560 on a handful of outlets in order to get their information. The digital world has allowed

00:04:31.240 alternative media sources to flourish. The growth we've been experiencing at the Western Standard

00:04:35.880 is nothing shy of explosive. Our biggest challenges lately have been in keeping up with the new staff

00:04:40.920 and office moves and organization as we expand like that and much of that is of course is due

00:04:45.640 to our putting out high quality coverage people check us out realize what we offer they subscribe

00:04:50.040 and they stay the mainstream media though has certainly made our job easier for us it's almost

00:04:53.880 as if they're trying to drive people towards alternative outlets well either way enough

00:04:58.120 patting ourselves on the back we'll get to what's got me triggered as i consumed some mainstream

00:05:02.440 coverage in the last 12 hours to start with was the usual fear-mongering ctv coverage of the

00:05:07.000 the COVID-19 pandemic. Alberta's chief medical officer, Hinshaw, addressed the emergence of a

00:05:12.700 potential new COVID variant and said at this time it's of little concern. There, should be all you

00:05:17.280 need to say, but no. CTV gave her a short soundbite and then went and sought out some obscure

00:05:22.460 microbiologist and gave her a few minutes to explain why this latest variant is of huge concern

00:05:27.220 and we should be frightened and how we can look forward to the return of restrictions.

00:05:30.800 This wasn't a matter of point counterpoint. It wasn't them seeking balance. It was a clear effort

00:05:35.440 to maintain fear. They had to look deep and far to find somebody to put a negative spin on what's

00:05:40.480 basically a positive pandemic statement, but they managed. We saw that before as they do streeters,

00:05:46.060 you know, after Alberta dropped the masking and vaccine passport regulations. Somehow,

00:05:50.360 in interviewing a number of people on the street, every single one of them was frightened

00:05:53.360 and vowed to keep wearing masks despite the lack of legislation requiring it. Not a single person

00:05:58.300 could be found saying, hey, I love this and I'm going to be enjoying mask-free living. I love

00:06:01.980 going out to bars and businesses without having to show a passport. Astounding. Amazing how they

00:06:06.640 only found people who like masks and vaccine passports. Legacy media loves this pandemic,

00:06:12.180 and they want to make sure we remain fearful no matter how good things are actually beginning to

00:06:16.220 look. People are seeing through it, and the media gets irresponsible to the point of dangerous when

00:06:20.660 it comes to covering protests. There's slanted reporting and flames demonstrators and increases

00:06:25.500 the chance of a conflict when it didn't need to happen. We see it as they focus on tiny groups

00:06:29.840 of extreme people while ignoring a massive moderate majority at demonstrations. In Calgary,

00:06:34.660 ongoing protests have led to increased tensions in the Beltline area of downtown. It's a residential

00:06:41.100 zone, and some people who live down there are getting tired of the weekly disruptions, and

00:06:43.980 that's fair enough. The evolution in the language of the media coverage as they line up against

00:06:48.320 these protesters, though, has been very telling. I mean, at first, the media pretty much didn't

00:06:52.760 even cover these protests, despite there being thousands of people in attendance. I mean,

00:06:56.120 the Western Standard was down there. We live streamed those things. It was news. It wasn't

00:07:01.220 a matter of bias. When something that big happens, we cover it. Now the media, now they're referring

00:07:07.680 to them. They do see them there, but they call them the so-called freedom protesters. What's

00:07:11.560 with this so-called thing? Did the media say so-called BLM protests? So-called Occupy or

00:07:17.840 so-called Isle No More when they protested? Was it the so-called Wet'suwesson protesters when

00:07:24.340 they blocked roads? Of course not. Yet in this case with these peaceful protests in Calgary,

00:07:28.840 the media won't even fairly acknowledge what they call themselves. Now Calgary's police chief

00:07:33.440 has switched and he's calling them anti-democracy protesters. I expect the media will follow in

00:07:38.040 suit with them soon. Now on the way this morning, legacy media hit a new low. So there have been

00:07:44.280 counter protesters showing up the last couple of demonstrations. They're a small but belligerent

00:07:48.340 group. Calgary's police chief even called them out as professional protesters who didn't represent

00:07:52.000 the locals in the Beltline. The police were forced to push these counter-protesters out of the way

00:07:56.940 last weekend because they were blocking the thousands of other demonstrators on their march

00:08:00.420 and they were trying to start a conflict with them. Well, on the radio, the newsreader didn't

00:08:04.540 even refer to them now as being counter-protesters, just said residents. Yes, residents apparently

00:08:09.940 lined up and blocked the demonstrators. Residents were pushed back by the police. That's the term

00:08:14.420 he used. Police pushed back residents. They were counter-protesters. They showed up at a protest

00:08:19.160 to push back on one. Call it what it is. But the media is trying to create an impression that it's

00:08:23.980 predominantly residents who are pushing back and that it can't even be called a counter-protest.

00:08:28.000 Why such an effort to change language to benefit one side in an issue that clearly has two sides?

00:08:33.000 Again, there's no doubt there's many residents down there who are fed up with the marchers.

00:08:36.720 But let's not pretend that the people going down there trying to provoke a conflict with

00:08:39.880 the marchers are representative of the residents down there. I'm going to be going down to observe

00:08:44.320 the protests this weekend. Police have asked both the protesters and counter-protesters to stay home.

00:08:48.700 yes, not residents, counter-protesters. Both groups have told the police to get stuffed.

00:08:52.660 They're going down there, in fact, probably in higher numbers than they would have in the first

00:08:55.640 place. I hope there won't be a conflict. I really don't, but I suspect there might be.

00:09:00.120 And when conflict occurs at these sorts of events, it always comes down to a he said,

00:09:03.620 she said sort of scenario when it comes to determine who started it. The only way I'm

00:09:07.640 going to be confident in knowing what happened will be going down there myself and seeing it.

00:09:11.280 I don't want to see a conflict. But if it does break out, I'm going to be calling out the

00:09:14.900 instigators, whether it's the freedom protesters who started it, the counter-protesters, or the

00:09:18.420 police. It can get pretty hectic, but I'm going to get a first-hand account because that's the

00:09:22.940 only way I can believe it. We already know where the legacy media is going to land on it. I mean,

00:09:26.580 they won't let the residents start at it. If things go poorly, though, I blame some of this

00:09:30.680 on the mainstream media themselves. It's been disrespected pigeonholing of demonstrators that's

00:09:34.940 led to many of them feeling desperate and out of options to express themselves. Just listening to

00:09:39.160 people with an honest ear can help defuse a lot of rage. Trudeau certainly could have done so in

00:09:44.320 Ottawa, and he never did. So I'm going to be going this weekend, hoping for the best, but planning

00:09:49.300 for the worst. Somebody has to cover it, honestly, and we're going to have other standard reporters

00:09:53.220 there as well. The mainstream media, you know, they might be recoverable if they would just look

00:09:58.940 within and realize why people are leaving them, but they can't do it. All they'll do is grovel

00:10:03.880 for more and more subsidies and then pander to the government that subsidizes them with slanted

00:10:08.740 coverage further, which again hastens the demise of what I think is an institution now that's

00:10:13.920 rotten to the core anyway. That's what's got me going today, guys. And yes, it's quite something

00:10:20.300 else. So I'm going to be checking in now with the rest of the news we got with Eva Sinek, our

00:10:24.520 Calgary reporter who's been promoted into an office position now. So we're going to get her

00:10:29.620 on the air before she leaves the full-time media things. Let's bring her in and see what's going 1.00

00:10:34.300 on there. Hi, Corey. Hey there. How's it going? Good, good. Don't discredit me from being a

00:10:41.840 reporter though. I'm still going to be reporting even with my new position. Sorry I gotta write

00:10:46.560 something here. Okay I know that but we've got to give you your hard time on the way in. I mean

00:10:51.680 you're even getting an office. I have to share an office space with Dave. I mean we stare at each

00:10:56.680 other all day. No wall nothing in between and somehow you the intern the new person gets an

00:11:02.140 office in the corner. Yeah I'm going to speak up about that. I'm not sure I'm getting an office

00:11:07.540 yet but it's no problem to look at dave i'd take your desk okay yeah i can take my desk if you

00:11:14.020 could okay let's get on to what are the top news items going on right now um conservatives in

00:11:19.860 alberta want to know um should know that the ucp membership deadline is tomorrow so if you want to

00:11:26.660 vote for kenny's leadership on on his leadership you have to sign up by tomorrow um uh ucp associate

00:11:34.660 minister of natural gas and electricity dale nally called new mla brian gene unfit to lead

00:11:41.380 the party nally wrote a new column that came out last night for the western standard slamming gene

00:11:46.980 overseeing what he would have done by welcoming not least covid perspectives on running the

00:11:53.060 province and endless lockdowns and we have a update on that reaction news story will be coming out

00:11:58.180 today um i wrote a piece about arnold schwarzenegger uh negger made a video that came out

00:12:09.140 over the programs over many programs on youtube and whatnot trying to get russian viewers his

00:12:15.940 message to putin was to stop the war and then to russian soldiers telling them not to listen

00:12:22.420 to russian propaganda um so that's basically all we're doing on ukraine today

00:12:30.500 um what else do we have we have a couple things you were supposed to do your schwarzenegger

00:12:34.500 impression if i recall we're talking about that in the newsroom i thought that was you who was

00:12:38.420 going to do the impression today no no every time i've done impressions we've lost viewers we have

00:12:42.900 determined that it's been very solidly uh voted on by viewers uh i'm not allowed to do it any longer

00:12:48.820 I don't want to test the viewers today with my impressions, that's okay.

00:12:52.620 Okay, carry on then.

00:12:55.120 Mel is digging up a story because many are saying that mandates are being lifted, so why are people still protesting?

00:13:04.440 But we have it coming out later today, exactly why people are still protesting, how many people are being affected by this, and what restrictions are still in place.

00:13:14.960 um on the topic of protesting the police commission has a meeting that will be

00:13:21.560 broadcasted later tonight at 3 30 so we'll be covering that after um mel's on that one too

00:13:27.680 um and i'm just looking through what else we have coming up certainly and yeah and i'll just talk a

00:13:38.820 bit you know on the things protesting i see a commenter pointing out that uh ardor paulowski

00:13:42.800 is still uh imprisoned right now whether people like garter or don't like him or his style uh

00:13:48.640 when people are saying there's nothing to be protested no there are a number of items still

00:13:52.500 going on and again you might not agree with what they're protesting for but uh that's again where

00:13:57.660 that dialogue has to come you don't have to agree with what somebody's protesting for to understand

00:14:00.940 that they do feel upset with something and that's why they're out there yeah and like you were saying

00:14:06.200 the counter protesters are growing every week i was there three weeks ago it was only a couple

00:14:12.320 people and then two weeks ago maybe 10 and then last weekend was a little bit larger so it'll be

00:14:17.740 interesting what what's going to happen this weekend especially when the police are saying

00:14:21.620 um this has to stop and the mayor is saying this has to stop but not actually listening to what

00:14:27.920 the protesters are saying the large groups of freedom so yeah yeah respect for go a long ways

00:14:33.800 in calming things down so yeah that's all we got from the newsroom today thanks cory for checking

00:14:39.400 Oh, you've got? Okay. Well, and I know, I'll just let everybody know you're escaping skiing this weekend. So we'll get a report on any potential injuries or trees that you've hit over the course of it.

00:14:49.580 I'll let you know. Hopefully I can stay strapped on to the snowboard or hopefully I don't go flying off anywhere.

00:14:56.480 I'm certain you'll be fine. Well, have some fun down there and we'll talk to you on Monday.

00:15:01.040 Thank you.

00:15:02.120 Great. So that's Eva Sudik. And yes, she's been down to those protests, a great reporter on the ground.

00:15:08.040 and yes, she's been broadening her duties here at the Western Standard offices. A lot of stories

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00:18:19.140 So, I mean, I'll talk about a news item that came up. This is in Blacklock's reporter,

00:18:23.400 there's a standard story coming on it. But yeah, it says, you know, these committees are finding

00:18:28.160 out everything that happened after the emergencies act was declared. We're getting the hindsight on

00:18:32.080 things. Panicked credit union depositors withdrew millions after the cabinet ordered a freeze on

00:18:38.640 accounts of Freedom Convoy sympathizers, executives, disclosed. Many Canadians felt

00:18:43.060 surprised that the government had the authority. Yeah, I'm still surprised. I, you know, I have a

00:18:47.720 low expectation of them, but they still managed to outdo themselves. I mean, to be able to do such

00:18:52.080 a reach. And the CEO of the Canadian Credit Union Association said there was a degree of panic among

00:18:58.380 Canadians that their accounts might be frozen. So, of course, there was a run. They yanked the money

00:19:01.760 out. Now, the Canadian Bankers Association, on the other hand, said the complete opposite.

00:19:05.020 and said that it wasn't a problem with people

00:19:10.080 and said it was just anecdotal stories

00:19:12.380 and nothing of significance.

00:19:14.080 Again, it shows our sick system

00:19:15.560 and that's the head of the Canadian Bankers Association

00:19:18.000 spreading, which clearly was obviously 0.75

00:19:19.940 a bunch of complete baloney.

00:19:23.200 Right now, it sounds like it was between 206 and 210 accounts

00:19:25.840 worth $7.8 million were frozen.

00:19:28.660 And the RCMP put its blacklist at about 257 accounts

00:19:32.260 worth an undetermined amount.

00:19:34.300 This is pretty scary stuff in a government, you know, in this world when you can have your assets frozen for supporting the wrong cause.

00:19:40.760 And then we better investigate and make sure this never happens again.

00:19:43.400 And when you see those sorts of statements, that pure BS, the head of the Canadian Bankers Association basically feeding us the government line,

00:19:51.220 I'm glad that somebody came out and countered them, shows that, again, how Canada is broken on so many levels.

00:19:58.340 So I'm going to get to my guest right away.

00:19:59.860 He's somebody who most often agrees that Canada is pretty broken.

00:20:03.920 And that's Paul Hinman with the leader of the Wildrose Independence Party.

00:20:10.420 Hey, Paul, how's it going?

00:20:12.040 Good morning, Corey.

00:20:13.200 Doing good.

00:20:13.820 How are you?

00:20:14.700 Oh, pretty good.

00:20:15.520 Pretty good.

00:20:15.980 You know, always got my usual head of steam going.

00:20:18.580 Well, broken is the key word right now.

00:20:22.260 Dysfunctional and broken.

00:20:23.940 I'm afraid so.

00:20:25.120 So you've finished the by-election.

00:20:27.400 I hope you've gotten some rest.

00:20:28.900 I know they're exhausting affairs, you're still running hard.

00:20:32.140 Okay.

00:20:32.740 Well, we were out till two o'clock in the morning, picking up signs.

00:20:35.380 We're hoping today to finish, but no, it's, it's been brutal.

00:20:38.400 We have a lot of signs out and a lot of support.

00:20:41.140 And, um, it's been a lot of work to clean up and put things away.

00:20:46.480 But it just, it's so good to be able to work with the volunteers

00:20:50.280 and to be able to chat and to, you know, review things

00:20:53.260 and what was good and what didn't.

00:20:54.520 But, um, no, it was a great experience up here in Port McMurray.

00:20:58.200 Oh, good.

00:20:58.620 Well, yeah, I can relate with it really well with the Wildrose with one of our elections, actually,

00:21:02.340 when I was in the Arctic for most of it, even though I was a candidate in Mountain View,

00:21:05.840 and volunteers had put signs all over Mountain View for me.

00:21:08.320 I was only home for three days, so I had to go out and pick up all these signs,

00:21:11.600 and I didn't know where they were.

00:21:12.500 They hadn't tracked it, and I was terribly hungover at that time

00:21:15.020 because we'd had all that free red wine on the election night.

00:21:18.200 And, boy, that was a long, long day getting those.

00:21:20.500 You don't realize how many you put out until you've got to go get them.

00:21:23.580 Well, we've had two long days already.

00:21:25.620 We're hoping today we get the rest.

00:21:28.200 It's been a lot of work.

00:21:30.180 Yeah, well, and of course your work isn't done.

00:21:32.780 So I'm afraid, you know, the outcome wasn't as strong as you'd hoped for, I imagine, in the by-election.

00:21:37.900 I mean, you were certainly still a solid third in there, which is something to be said for that.

00:21:41.820 I mean, it's a party that's on the upward mobility, I guess you could say.

00:21:45.680 But what do you think the factors were leading to the election results we saw the other night?

00:21:49.760 Well, you know, Corey, it's always fun to be able to look back and you realize there's two things that, to me,

00:21:55.160 key in election one is the emotion of the people and two is the ballot question connected to the

00:22:01.720 emotion of the people and and there's overwhelming um and again this this election showed that

00:22:07.400 evidence that that the people are very upset with jason kenny and they want jason kenny to go

00:22:12.920 and and the people here thought well brian gene was the best option to do that um and that ballot

00:22:18.280 question was it was that versus our ballot question basically was is who do you want to

00:22:22.920 decide in our future, Ottawa or Alberta? Are we going to say no to the carbon tax and no to net

00:22:29.800 zero? Or is Trudeau and company going to be able to shut us down? Yeah, well, it was a very

00:22:37.100 complicated by-election for a number of reasons. I mean, a lot of internal stuff going on. I mean,

00:22:42.760 I don't think I'll see it again, probably, where we'll have a person running against their own

00:22:49.060 leader of their party in a by-election and right now that's still unfolding as we now have the

00:22:53.560 UCP government coming out against their own newly elected or at least members of it coming out

00:22:57.660 their newly elected member with Brian Jean what a bizarre outcome yeah it really is and I guess

00:23:05.320 we'll let them continue their internal fighting and backstabbing but yeah very unusual but I mean

00:23:11.860 Brian Jean is the the king of pole chasing and and he saw the momentum there and he wants to be

00:23:17.840 the claim that he was the one who slew the the evil dragon um and so it'll be fun to watch and

00:23:23.200 i think his end results will be very disappointing for himself um and where alberta goes but uh yeah

00:23:29.840 that's where the emotion right now is and the other thing that's so critical that we learned

00:23:34.960 and we need to learn to do better is to get out the vote you can have the support but i tell you

00:23:40.080 between the apathy of the people and that this pure disgust with with government and politics

00:23:46.160 23 percent um is shameful um to review on what government is doing and how government is reaching

00:23:53.680 out to the people and and i i'll tell you the overwhelming answer at the door if you when you

00:23:58.400 and if you ask it is do you think it makes any difference who you elect no you're all the same

00:24:04.320 and and i mean that's just that people are disgusted with government or else the apathy is

00:24:10.400 is that you know what my vote doesn't make a difference and and it came out uh soundly in

00:24:15.840 this by-election where people are absolutely disgusted with government but don't think that

00:24:21.120 their vote's really going to make a difference and it's just it's hard you know to meet people

00:24:25.040 at the door and only have a few seconds to talk to them and engage them and then if you don't have

00:24:31.680 all the tracking to try and have volunteers to call them back and to get them to say you know

00:24:36.320 look your vote will make a difference and we are different we're accountable like you can actually

00:24:41.360 fire us if you're not happy uh you can't do that with the other parties but it's a challenge but

00:24:47.040 again there's nothing more educational and helpful for someone who wants to be an elected representative

00:24:52.800 than talking to people at the door yeah well we're political types and we we know that you know we're

00:24:59.040 gonna vote in every possible opportunity but that it is distressing to see that growing cynicism

00:25:04.480 unfortunately uh something i've always said maybe the day will come when you know and i used to say

00:25:08.960 say that when I doorknock with people they're all the same well then don't worry about there's

00:25:11.680 nothing to lose in voting for me and you know if I don't do it then fire me well well then the next

00:25:18.360 guy will be just the same well fire them and I know it's a dream and maybe it's just ideological

00:25:22.600 but you know what if we fired members three elections in a row you're going to get a really

00:25:27.300 responsive one in the next one because if they want a job for more than four years they're

00:25:31.560 actually going to listen but it is up to the voters to do it and they instead they're going

00:25:35.380 they're introverting rather than getting out and voting and it's too bad well and again it goes

00:25:40.840 back to the basics of freedom if you've never had them you don't know how to use them and you don't

00:25:44.800 know how valuable they are and it's the same with recall we've never had it they don't know how

00:25:49.120 valuable it is and you don't need to go protesting and do all of these things and letter writing all

00:25:53.680 you need to do is get the petition you don't take it to the legislative house get it approved and

00:25:59.020 then go out and gather the signatures. And what's most exciting for me about recall is one, when

00:26:06.060 you're mad, there's something that you can do because, oh, all I got to do is collect, you know,

00:26:10.160 2,000, 4,000 signatures. What did we get out in this vote? I can't remember now, 5,000 people,

00:26:15.460 just 2,500 signatures. And you can fire Paul Hinman or Brian Jean. But because they've never

00:26:21.060 had it, they don't realize the value on, like you say, maybe it will take two or three elections.

00:26:26.120 Boy, there's nothing more valuable than to hold the hammer and saying, sorry, Morgan, you're done.

00:26:33.460 We're collecting the signatures.

00:26:34.940 But more important, when people are mad at you and they go to collect the signatures and they find out, oh, these other people aren't mad,

00:26:42.200 then the animosity and the anger in them actually resides.

00:26:45.120 They realize, well, no, maybe actually it's not that bad.

00:26:47.680 So it's actually a calming effect and it's just very helpful.

00:26:52.120 yeah and i mean some people again they say oh it'd be then we'd have endless recall elections going

00:26:57.640 on well that's that's only if the the members are really that bad i know some are but i think

00:27:02.120 as you said if they had that hanging they probably behave themselves a little better

00:27:05.480 and a lot of people don't understand what's involved with real petitioning like not an

00:27:09.480 internet petition not something like that go door to door get a physical signature from a

00:27:13.880 person with their address and their phone number because that's what you got to do

00:27:17.240 setting that getting a few thousand of those in a timeline it has to be pretty serious before

00:27:21.400 people will take part in that i mean as we can see we can absolutely we can only get a quarter

00:27:25.160 of them out to vote in a by-election unfortunately so yeah so getting i i guess to cynicism though

00:27:31.480 and dish issues and i i said that a bit in the email i talked to you know we as conservatives

00:27:36.200 and particularly independence-minded ones uh we're a bunch of rabbit squirrels often and we're always

00:27:41.320 fighting with ourselves and we're certainly seeing it with the ucp and we see it with other parties

00:27:45.640 i i know there's there's been some grumbling happening with the the wilders independence

00:27:49.400 party perhaps about strategic choices on your part and such uh how can you address those right

00:27:54.600 now well it's interesting the comments that were put out um they're ridiculous that that our job

00:28:01.320 is to give people choice we we absolutely we enter a race we want to win but this is an educational

00:28:07.560 process and what we need to do in the next year and this will hopefully um i want to say motivate

00:28:13.080 more people who want to be running for the wild rose to get out and start door knocking now there's

00:28:18.200 there's two options that you have an election an emotional election where people go out on an

00:28:22.840 emotion or an actual one that where there's you know there's some some thought into it and some

00:28:28.760 resolve and say yeah this is what i believe in this is what i want and voting for a cause i mean you

00:28:34.440 and i both know more governments get voted out than get voted in and and to address the concerns

00:28:39.640 but yes there's been some crazy comments but the fact of the matter is is the fire my majority of

00:28:45.480 people were thrilled. We got into double digits. We established that we're absolutely the third

00:28:50.460 party. The other ones didn't even come close and all the rhetoric I get, you know, that, oh, we

00:28:55.280 got to do this. We got to do that. They got 0.4% of the vote, these other parties. We were at 10.8%.

00:29:02.880 I mean, there's a mile between us. We're competitive. People actually see us as an

00:29:07.420 alternative. But the ballot question was, is, hey, we want to get rid of Jason Kenney.

00:29:11.840 we would have loved to do better and again um i don't know it's just exciting to get out there

00:29:17.880 and be in double digits on on your first election ever uh for the wild rose independence party i

00:29:23.180 think that's pretty awesome yeah and i mean some people do need to understand as we know again

00:29:28.500 from building alternative parties it's a lot of work it's a big climb i mean from back when it

00:29:32.540 was alberta alliance to wild rose alliance we went to a lot of elections with with single digit

00:29:37.800 showings uh eventually though that did you know built into uh forming official opposition and

00:29:43.440 really actually threatening uh government you know it's a long convoluted story on what happened

00:29:47.380 with it but those those modest beginnings we would have been thrilled with an 11 support number in

00:29:53.780 some of those early elections and uh when you compare that i mean when i talk about a solid

00:29:57.900 third place that's very solid the next one going back was 1.4 i believe or something like that with

00:30:04.260 liberals and and the others couldn't break uh one percent so uh it's good placement on a growing

00:30:10.020 party i mean what what you guys decided to make with it we'll see from here but uh you know you

00:30:14.260 can't call it a complete loss that's for sure oh no it it was incredible but you know i i always

00:30:20.180 say you know some of the attitudes of some of our people are is that when you didn't win you didn't

00:30:24.020 get gold okay so we're never going to go to the olympics again we can't try to climb mount everest

00:30:29.060 again like um hillary never would have made it the the british expedition would have never gone up

00:30:33.460 Mount Everest if oh we failed on our first one no we got this far we learned lots we've got to come

00:30:38.500 back this is what we need to do you know we got to get out the vote you know you start from election

00:30:43.460 day back and are you prepared and and we we definitely did not have the power to get out

00:30:49.220 our supporters and get out the vote and we got to focus on that more in the next elections one of

00:30:54.100 the biggest things that we learned or knew where we had a deficit was that team for getting out

00:30:59.060 the vote on election day. Yeah, well, and if ever I was lacking a crystal ball as to what we're

00:31:04.920 going to see in the next year, it's right now. I mean, we don't know what's going to happen after

00:31:08.640 April 9th. There's probably 12 different pathways and scenarios we can see coming up with the UCP

00:31:16.160 right there. I mean, and again, that variable, I mean, a lot of people voted against Jason Kenney

00:31:21.940 as opposed to for Brian Jean in this by-election, and that's an unusual distinguishment, but it

00:31:26.720 makes it difficult to campaign and stick to your messaging and policies and things like that when

00:31:30.680 you've got a more personal battle going on and that'll be our challenge why i say this next year

00:31:36.100 of door knocking is where we actually engage voters and they actually that they're going to be

00:31:39.940 instead of that anger of voting something out as i said more governments get voted out and more

00:31:46.280 people get voted out than get voted in and brian gene certainly didn't get voted in that was a vote

00:31:51.000 in confidence against jason kenney which is going to be very interesting to watch on the knife on

00:31:55.640 how that turns out. And then more interesting to see who comes out as the new leader, if in fact

00:32:00.120 they're able to dethrone him. Well, and I guess one thing that perhaps could be put to rest in

00:32:05.040 these election results in at least that constituency for sure, the threat of a vote

00:32:11.100 split leading to an NDP win was not even close. It was not a consideration because people like

00:32:16.160 using that to stop alternative movements and say, well, boy, if you get out there and we vote for

00:32:20.420 you, we're going to put the NDP in. And I know in some urban writings, that might be more of a

00:32:24.040 consideration but still uh it was nowhere even close in fact the NDP lost ground which kind of

00:32:30.000 surprised me in this yeah and and that was the the surprising thing of all of this is that I thought

00:32:35.180 the NDP would hold solid they have a solid base they don't and people realize that they're not

00:32:40.040 the answer um I can tell you the two two things that I hit the door the most was I'm not voting

00:32:45.240 for Brian Jean and I'm not voting for the NDP they ruined us and those were very prevalent but yet

00:32:51.020 okay what did they vote for well they voted to get rid of jason kenny and you know like i say

00:32:57.500 my elections are finicky but it's just exciting after spending three and a half months talking

00:33:02.120 to people at the door to realize that we have an opportunity to get our message out there

00:33:06.800 is the next election the ballot question is it is who's making the decisions is it going to be

00:33:11.800 ottawa or is it going to be alberta is it going to be justin trudeau and the liberal policy is

00:33:17.340 going to be Paul Hinman and the Wild Rose candidates that are putting Albertans first

00:33:21.340 that that know that we need to protect our future and and that'll be goal one and value one and I

00:33:27.180 think Albertans are going to be excited to realize that there is a a leader in myself and the party

00:33:32.860 in the Wild Rose that is focusing on saving Alberta from Ottawa's destructive policies

00:33:37.980 we've got to protect ourselves or we're going down with this sinking ship and Canada is a sinking

00:33:44.620 great so what plans uh are there events or anything coming up with the party going forward

00:33:49.900 now have you got an AGM or anything like that on the horizon or yeah we'll have an AGM the date

00:33:54.860 hasn't been set i imagine the next 30 days that that will probably set the date it'll be here

00:34:00.700 the next few months and we're looking forward to that for members coming and again my leadership

00:34:05.580 will be on the line there unlike the UCP every AGM the leadership will get his vote on whether

00:34:12.860 the members want me to carry on or whether they says nope we need somebody new so uh join up

00:34:18.380 become part of wild girls nation and you can participate in our agm here in the next couple

00:34:22.780 of months great and actually something else kind of a well i like bringing questions forward from

00:34:28.060 the listeners and viewers and this one i i have to admit i'm not terribly familiar with it but

00:34:31.980 the alberta prosperity project is wondering and perhaps with that or with other groups so they're

00:34:36.060 going to be alliances or working with other things because there seems to be a lot of disparate

00:34:39.260 organizations, whether it's parties or lobby groups, you know, pushing for similar goals,

00:34:44.260 but not necessarily altogether. You know, the Judean People's Front Syndrome is kind of going

00:34:48.600 on a bit. Well, it's always interesting, all these groups that are saying they're unity this

00:34:53.040 or unity that, they approached me. Some even slagged me saying I didn't come down for a unity

00:34:57.580 minute. I said, you know, if you guys really want unity, if you understand how important our

00:35:01.800 independence is, come up and work with us on the by-election. And they had no desire to do that.

00:35:07.800 again, it's a facade. They talk a lot. And again, there's a lot of different groups I'm talking

00:35:13.420 about not being specific, but I reached out to most of them and all of them said that they were

00:35:19.120 too busy to come up here to work in the by-election and to try to get the people to realize

00:35:23.940 the importance of independence. The Wild Rose is the party of choice. We're out there with a

00:35:29.820 double-digit lead and those people who want to join and fight and protect Alberta and become

00:35:35.620 you know an independent sovereign nation come join the wild rose nation and be part of our

00:35:41.380 efforts here in this next year great just in closing i'll throw one more from a viewer richard

00:35:46.840 who's just asking and his broader question would take a whole new segment which i'm sure we can do

00:35:51.240 down the road with any luck but it's one aspect he's asked about the challenges that exist if

00:35:55.180 there was a referendum to separate uh you know and pursue independence uh but the big question

00:36:00.500 is including uh first nations land ownership i mean that's a big hang up people put that up maybe

00:36:04.700 If I could just get you to address that one question, because it's a big one, and I know we could talk for an hour about answering all the rest of the independent questions.

00:36:11.220 And I love the fact that your show says, well, if we need to talk a little longer, we can.

00:36:15.320 Not like the legacy parties or media where, oh, time's up.

00:36:19.640 So that's an enjoyable part, Corey.

00:36:21.480 So I'm always happy to discuss that.

00:36:22.700 Well, first of all, what this next election will be about is giving Paul Hinman and the Wildrose candidates a mandate to exercise our full autonomy from Ottawa.

00:36:32.140 And in an election and forming government, we will have it laid out very specifically on the autonomy and the things that we're going to be exercising.

00:36:41.660 And the people, if they vote for that, will have that mandate.

00:36:44.940 We respect individual rights and we certainly respect the group and tribal rights.

00:36:51.620 And they're part of the deal with the First Nations and the Indigenous is with Ottawa and the Crown.

00:36:57.100 and again it will be up to them to look at that and analyze and I mean it's down

00:37:03.940 the road and they can watch us for a couple of years and see how it looks and

00:37:07.280 what it would be like to be in a sovereign Alberta where they're equal

00:37:10.980 where they own property rights where they actually have opportunities to get

00:37:13.920 ahead and not have a father figure that tells them you know we're taking your

00:37:17.900 royalties we're put into trust and all will tell you what you can do and they

00:37:21.380 can't manage their own affairs in their property and so when you actually sit

00:37:25.060 down and look at the opportunities they'll have as an equal Albertan and to own their property and

00:37:29.280 to be able to exercise their rights and have the advantages of using that to get ahead, I think

00:37:35.780 that they'll be excited to be part of us. Yeah, well, independence can be framed to benefit

00:37:40.700 everybody. It's just going to take a lot of communication, in my view, along with a lot of

00:37:44.680 other things. So thanks for addressing that one. Again, I'll keep you on for a full hour to try and

00:37:48.660 cover all the other questions when it comes to independence. Where can we find more information

00:37:53.560 about contacting you and the party if people have more questions or concerns and such go to our

00:37:57.900 website wildrosenation.com wildrosenation.com and then sign up for our newsletter sign up become a

00:38:05.080 member um the numbers 1-888-262-1-888 give us a call um and we're happy to reach out and again

00:38:14.440 go to our website i'm not sure how long mine will be up but it was choose wildrose.com for the

00:38:20.140 by-election but wildrosenation.com is the best place and again on twitter paul him and whippa

00:38:26.640 it's just uh great to reach out and to spread our message and our our message of hope and an

00:38:32.840 opportunity going forward because boy the legacy parties like the legacy media is failing us and

00:38:38.760 we need to have a new alternative wild rose is here for you uh we're here for albertans and 0.89

00:38:44.000 you can count on us and you can trust us great well thanks for joining me again today paul it's

00:38:49.240 always good talking to you and uh again good luck with all those signs and uh getting a bit of a

00:38:53.280 breather and working moving forward thanks cory take care and keep up the good work great thanks

00:38:58.200 so yes paul hinman of the wilders independence party who as we said just finished a uh yeah a

00:39:03.900 hard-fought by-election and it does say something to the ground game i've worked with paul on by

00:39:07.760 elections before and things like that's that difference that made the third place finish

00:39:12.040 though as opposed to those other parties that were there but they were also rands they didn't hit the

00:39:16.640 ground hard. They didn't bang on all those doors. They didn't spend months at it. And that's why,

00:39:20.960 you know, the Alberta party, always a lot of talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. And where did they

00:39:24.420 get less than a percent? Because they weren't out there actually doing. That's the thing. You do

00:39:29.020 have to work on the ground. I did see some comments, you know, some people, somebody saying,

00:39:32.360 you know, I'll prove to me that the elections aren't rigged. Okay. I can't say that for every

00:39:36.620 election, but I'll talk about something. Some people haven't been involved in a lot of elections

00:39:39.520 before, and it's a good part of our system. That's why I never want to move away from paper ballots,

00:39:43.860 by the way i don't is to be a scrutineer you have that opportunity on elections in every level and

00:39:50.740 if you're with a party or if it's municipal or whatever you can register yourself you go to the

00:39:54.420 elections office and every party will do it and it's a good check and balance they'll have

00:39:58.500 scrutineers who go out on polling day or even in the advanced polls and they can visibly observe

00:40:05.060 every step of it if you're there early if you want a long boring day go for it i mean they will even

00:40:09.460 show you the empty cardboard boxes at the start of the, you know, before the poll opens to make

00:40:13.680 sure you see there's no ballots stuffed in there. There's nothing inside it. Seal it up in front of

00:40:17.900 you. You can watch the voting all day. Make sure. And then at counting time, even you watch those

00:40:23.240 boxes get opened up. You see those ballots out there and you see them counted. And this is done

00:40:28.140 in all of those elections. I know there's Dominion counting machine questions and things like that.

00:40:32.960 That's an American thing. We haven't had that going on in the by-election and other stuff like that.

00:40:36.640 and I'm not saying it never happens where there's been malfeasance in elections and things like that

00:40:43.180 but our system with the paper ballots and with scrutineers taking part is actually pretty good.

00:40:48.060 We don't necessarily like the outcomes, we don't like some of the tactics that were done by parties

00:40:51.500 in campaigning and so on but I assure you if there was really anything rigged there's too many

00:40:56.240 independent eyes on the process. The thing we got to watch for is anybody trying to get us away from

00:41:01.320 paper ballots. That is where we can get a problem. If we start casting digital ballots or, you know,

00:41:06.820 even using machines to cast it, then I'm going to get really, really worried. Stick to what we have

00:41:11.720 right now. It's not perfect, but there are a lot of checks and balances and it works really well.

00:41:16.940 And scrutineering is a really boring job for campaign volunteers. The best you get out of it

00:41:21.640 usually is a Subway sandwich and a coffee while you sit there and make sure everything's staying

00:41:26.200 on the up and up, but it's really important. And you can do that and you can talk to other people.

00:41:29.740 uh laurie you're saying it's rigged well the proof is on you then laurie to say that it is

00:41:33.600 because i've been to these i've scrutinied at them again i didn't like the tactics but i've seen

00:41:38.280 absolutely no indication of rigging and i don't know how they would do it if they did not saying

00:41:42.720 it's impossible not saying it's never happened but i haven't seen how it's done and i haven't

00:41:48.620 seen it done so uh but again we do have to watch there's people who would love to rig it if they

00:41:53.700 could uh mail-in ballots are always a thing of concern we saw that in calgary many years ago

00:41:58.360 with a municipal candidate who ordered like thousands or something like that of mail-in ballots

00:42:03.080 and then they were gonna it was the spouse of the candidate and it was really clumsily done

00:42:06.940 and uh it ended up falling apart that's what i'm talking about is there's ways you could try to

00:42:11.420 rig the system and there's people willing uh to try and rig the system but it's not as easy as

00:42:16.240 some people think but we just always going to make sure we have those good old classic get in there

00:42:20.760 and vote in person put an x on a piece of paper and you have that record and you have scrutineers

00:42:26.300 and that right to be scrutineers to be there and watch the process from start to end and it'll make

00:42:30.980 it really hard for those people who would like to rig elections uh get away with it um so getting

00:42:37.020 back to misinformation and things being rigged uh let's talk about some new stuff before we get up

00:42:41.320 to our next guest here in a bit uh some of the rumors uh speaking of mainstream media and the

00:42:47.360 government talking about you know who bankrolled the freedom convoy that that was a big one

00:42:52.400 Apparently, it was going to be big foreign millionaires.

00:42:54.740 You know, this was it.

00:42:55.620 They were taking care of the convoy, and they were funding it and trying to disrupt it.

00:42:59.680 The CBC even tried to imply that it was Russians behind it.

00:43:02.920 Of course, the Russians are coming. 1.00

00:43:04.080 The Russians are coming. 1.00

00:43:05.420 Well, the Commons Finance Committee found out no, no, absolutely none.

00:43:09.320 Despite what Trudeau's cabinet said, claims of six-figure foreign interference.

00:43:14.220 That's what the cabinet said.

00:43:15.160 One liberal MP even did the Russia thing.

00:43:18.700 No, didn't happen.

00:43:20.000 Not even close.

00:43:20.940 and they've reviewed those donations

00:43:23.200 and they checked for foreign sources.

00:43:26.540 GoFundMe and the others have said,

00:43:28.640 and we know GoFundMe was not necessarily a friend

00:43:30.820 of the convoy in the end.

00:43:32.320 They rolled over.

00:43:33.360 Well, they're going to cooperate with the government

00:43:34.440 and sharing their stuff too.

00:43:35.260 And they said, no, there was no pile of foreign funders

00:43:37.800 taking care of this.

00:43:40.360 So much for that baloney that's going out there.

00:43:44.400 Transparency, you know, I mean, getting back to,

00:43:46.000 I guess, the elections and getting to things

00:43:47.800 in general media, I tie it all together.

00:43:49.480 as long as we maintain it, it does come out in the wash eventually. And the government is looking

00:43:53.820 really, really bad as we follow up, as we do these investigations, as we see what's happened. So

00:43:58.520 we see that the government did lie to people. We see that the government did rig things in a sense

00:44:02.340 that they created that false narrative of there being a foreign conspiracy funding these convoys

00:44:10.060 in order to bring in the Emergencies Act, which blew up in their own faces and is unforgivable.

00:44:15.800 It really is. It was a form of martial law. We can never forget it. We should be following up and obliterating the people electorally who are in office right now. And the lies are starting to come out. So yeah, they determined that 88% of the donations originated in Canada. 86% of the donors were Canadian. And this was based on checks of banks accounts and credit card records.

00:44:40.120 so uh no it was it was a it was a lie and the media happily fed that lie and they happily do

00:44:45.860 uh what do we got here oh yeah let's like i got a treat for you i see cheryl saying uh 0.98

00:44:52.440 where is is brown and charie running for the leadership of the conservative party yeah well

00:44:57.940 everybody can run and uh as i said a treat that's coming i'm going to be talking to uh candidate

00:45:02.200 jean charie on monday morning on the show uh i'm going to actually be recording that prior uh you

00:45:09.280 availabilities with these candidates, as when I had Pierre Polyev on as well.

00:45:14.040 It's tough to get them in live. I'd like to try to. I'm going to keep trying to get them live,

00:45:17.500 but either way, I'm going to have them for about 15 minutes on Monday morning.

00:45:20.720 So if you've got some questions you want to put forward, I'll try and get as many as I can. As I

00:45:24.680 said, those minutes pass fast, and those guys can really talk up a storm. So I want to make sure to

00:45:29.320 get a few good pointed ones into them. I'm certainly going to ask them about the firearm

00:45:32.280 stance. I'll save you sending that email if you're going to ask. It's definitely on the list.

00:45:37.300 Send me, though, at cmorgan at westernstandardonline.com.

00:45:42.260 Questions, suggestions, other things, too, in general.

00:45:45.660 And I'll see if I can't get those questions forward to Sheree.

00:45:50.700 Sheree has COVID, yes, so it's going to be a remote interview.

00:45:54.680 Curly Maycube, here is World Economic Forum.

00:45:59.100 Okay, guys, I'll repeat it again.

00:46:01.280 It's been addressed.

00:46:02.460 It was on True North.

00:46:03.820 He said absolutely.

00:46:04.700 He has nothing to do with him.

00:46:05.580 He's never been to DeVos. He's not taken part in it. The World Economic Forum label is getting

00:46:10.820 as bad as the label thrown out by the government against convoy supporters.

00:46:16.980 It exists, absolutely. And Schwab has big grand plans and morons like Trudeau parrot their stuff. 1.00

00:46:23.180 But they aren't controlling nearly as much as a lot of people think they are, 0.99

00:46:26.820 or as much as these guys hope they're controlling. You know, this thing, I don't know how many times

00:46:32.540 We've got to keep addressing it with this WFAS, WF that.

00:46:35.980 It is.

00:46:36.320 That's the great thing with that World Economic Forum thing is it is actually fairly transparent.

00:46:41.700 Their wishes with the Great Reset and the people who have attended their functions and how much they attended, whether they were just a viewer in the audience or whether they were a participant, it is all public record.

00:46:51.160 You can find it there.

00:46:53.020 It is not that hidden.

00:46:54.300 And I do, like I said, I think their goals are repugnant.

00:46:57.960 I think they want world socialism.

00:47:00.040 I do think they want to control it.

00:47:01.280 Well, they make no secret of it.

00:47:02.540 They want to control leaders, but not all of them have anything to do with it necessarily.

00:47:07.720 So we're kind of throwing that label out all over the place and it doesn't necessarily apply.

00:47:13.840 But either way, I mean, there's some who are just naturally left-winging and, you know,

00:47:19.160 Sheree is certainly one of them. 0.99

00:47:20.640 It's going to be interesting talking to him.

00:47:22.740 I guess they're people of ambition.

00:47:25.760 They're politicians.

00:47:26.660 You know, he wants to get the brass ring.

00:47:32.360 He wants to be the prime minister.

00:47:34.200 He sat there when he was a young member of parliament,

00:47:36.740 him and Elsie Wayne alone in the House of Commons

00:47:39.820 back at the start of the 90s,

00:47:41.200 and then he moved on as a liberal.

00:47:45.080 It'll be interesting to have him explain

00:47:46.800 why Westerners should embrace him as a leader.

00:47:50.420 It's not to my leaning,

00:47:51.520 but I'll give him credit where it's due.

00:47:53.780 He's coming out to talk to me on the show.

00:47:56.080 More than Brian Jean will do.

00:47:57.580 So he's willing to address our listeners

00:48:01.700 and viewers out here and in what's basically hostile territory and i appreciate that you know

00:48:06.980 uh if he doesn't give the answers that that members want to hear he's he's not going to

00:48:11.520 gain the votes but at least he's he's gonna speak to us about it and and answer what questions he

00:48:18.760 will so i do respect that and we're trying to get the rest of the leadership candidates on you know

00:48:22.840 as this carries on and as it keeps going so um maybe i'll take a moment to speak about another

00:48:28.300 one of our sponsors here actually while i'm at it then and that's the uh canadian shooting sports

00:48:34.100 association we've talked about them a lot and as i said i'm going to talk to sheree about his

00:48:38.660 thoughts on uh policies with regards to firearms and some of the ones that have been miscategorized

00:48:43.940 hunting rifles and such that are now banned uh the canadian shooting sports association well

00:48:48.340 these are a group of guys they're a fantastic sponsor for us and uh their name says it all

00:48:54.860 they're an association like any other kind you'd have. You know, it's where you can interact and

00:48:59.420 share resources with other people with the same interests. And in this case, it's firearm and

00:49:04.020 shooting sports, which could be target shooting, collecting, hunting, any of those things. And they

00:49:08.380 have all kinds of resources, whether it's videos showing you safe firearm use and things like that,

00:49:12.900 as most of us safely do so, or even links to trade shows and things like that. But the other

00:49:17.980 thing they do have is legal challenges, a number of legal challenges against the liberal policies

00:49:23.200 that have been taking away your rights, disarming Canadians, taking their property, 0.96

00:49:29.760 recategorizing firearms. They have multiple legal challenges against that out there on your behalf,

00:49:34.620 and they need your help to do that. So check them out because you can take out a membership with

00:49:38.640 them, and it's really important. As a firearms owner, you really should be a member. Go to the

00:49:42.540 Canadian Shooting Sports Association, cssa-cila.org. Take out a membership, and they can help keep

00:49:50.180 pushing back because those rights are going to be taken uh if we let them and uh it's up to us

00:49:56.420 in that you know getting back to that apathy uh that paul was talking about uh we do want to make

00:50:02.180 sure that uh uh wait a second okay sorry i just got a message from uh dan mcclain or he's might

00:50:11.940 be a couple minutes late he's rushing back to city hall from a meeting but uh uh either way

00:50:18.980 he might be a couple minutes late, but that's okay. I'll just keep babbling at you. So we got

00:50:23.080 more news to talk about. Speaking of government mistrust and frustration and things such as that,

00:50:28.020 we got the Manitoba Premier, Heather Stephenson. You know, you don't hear a heck of a lot about

00:50:31.780 her. I believe she's progressive conservative and terribly low support numbers. She makes 1.00

00:50:36.640 almost as bad as Kenny or maybe even worse, but you can see some of why. And this is the stuff

00:50:42.580 that sours people on politics. This is part of what keeps people from wanting to come out and

00:50:46.700 people say that they're all the same. And we see that in every level of government. Trudeau does

00:50:50.120 it all the time. His ministers do it well. Manitoba Premier did it. She was asked in question period

00:50:54.980 about a woman who died in Manitoba, a valid question on a health issue. And she spent the

00:51:01.360 whole answer talking about her son's hockey team instead of answering the question. It's not even

00:51:05.820 just dodging, but it's being insulting in her refusal to address a direct question. And we see

00:51:11.560 that so much in government. We see it so much in politics, and it gets tiresome, and that's what

00:51:16.980 makes people stay home from voting, and we need to see less of it. We need more direct, frank answers

00:51:22.000 from people. So when Heather Stephenson is dodging like that, that was similar to the question and

00:51:28.000 answer we saw with Pierre Polyev asking about house prices in Ottawa, and that minister just

00:51:32.640 kept coming up and talking about non-related things over and over again, not only to not answer the

00:51:36.860 question, but to insult the questioners every time. It's got to stop. You know, that's the stuff that

00:51:40.900 keeps people home. And the more people stay home, it's not going to make your political

00:51:45.200 representatives better. I promise you. I know it seems frustrating when you come out and you vote

00:51:49.280 and it just doesn't seem like it's working, but the worst alternative is not voting at all.

00:51:54.020 All right. So I'm going to bring another elected representative in to speak with us here. We've

00:51:58.540 got him in the lobby there and that's Councillor Dan McLean. He's with Ward 13 in that hornet's

00:52:03.980 nest of Calgary's council. And I've been looking forward to talking to Dan for quite some time now.

00:52:10.020 so let's pop them in there hey dan how's it going i'm doing well cory how are you good thanks now

00:52:16.660 glad we could get you on as i was saying to the viewers earlier i saw your message but i'm on

00:52:20.340 live so it's hard for me to respond back oh okay you're just gonna be delayed a bit it happens

00:52:24.580 it's all right busy morning met with the fire spider union and then with my local mla for some

00:52:30.580 ring road issues today later on we've got the calgary police commission so fridays are supposed

00:52:35.620 to be easy, but this is the highlight of my day, Corey, to be honest with you.

00:52:40.660 Well, I appreciate that. I won't be as hard on you as many of those other things,

00:52:44.740 particularly the police commission and some of the other stuff. Before I guess we get on to the

00:52:49.140 more immediate pressing issues, I'll just talk some quick general things like this has been a

00:52:55.220 tumultuous city council, I guess you could say, a very new one, including yourself. This is your

00:52:58.740 first term with them. Are you starting to settle in, I guess, into a bit of a, I mean, the first

00:53:04.020 two months this and holy cow this is everybody's already missing the days of of ninchy's leadership

00:53:08.900 when they would only scream for half the sessions uh is it starting to stabilize a little kind of

00:53:14.020 people finding their roles or a little towards productivity or yeah i would i yeah it has i

00:53:20.020 guess a short answer uh maybe not fast enough you're right it started off like uh they always

00:53:25.700 talk about drinking through a fire hose but you had a bunch of new counselors a lot with uh 1.00

00:53:30.900 a little business experience or political experience and so uh yeah there's some growing

00:53:37.500 pains where they throw a lot at you real quick um and i think what's frustrating for some people

00:53:43.300 as they're feeling their way along there's a lot of a lot of talking a lot of questions and

00:53:47.780 things are maybe done it being done as fast as they they could be but there is um i think i was

00:53:55.000 talking to some of my fellow fellow councilmates yesterday and they said it's only been a few

00:53:58.800 months but it feels like a year uh so um and we've already we've got three and a half years to go but

00:54:05.260 it's getting better court yeah there is a not as fast as i would like it to be done it seems like

00:54:10.520 you know politics moves like molasses in the first place but uh in a perfect world we'd maybe

00:54:16.040 do less debating and getting more action done and uh and hopefully we can get there yeah so i'll get

00:54:21.800 to one of the more divisive things that's happening right now uh and uh calgary seems to be now

00:54:26.400 turning kind of into the hub of the remnants of the larger protests against COVID mandates and

00:54:33.720 things. I mean, I don't want to discuss so much what the motivation of protesters is or whatnot,

00:54:37.980 but it's clearly there's a lot of people who still feel that they need to get out and gather

00:54:42.380 in the thousands and march every weekend in Calgary. It is frustrating some citizens and

00:54:47.000 residents down there. But at the same time, we're getting some pretty heated rhetoric coming from

00:54:53.700 some members of city council, which to be honest, in my view, I found frankly very insulting to some

00:54:58.140 people who are just genuinely concerned down there. We might be coming to a head this weekend

00:55:02.420 and it's getting really concerning on what may happen. I mean, I think nobody rational wants to

00:55:08.900 see a conflict, but it seems almost like we're heading towards one. Sadly, sadly, that looks like

00:55:14.840 what's going to happen. We will see on Saturday. I'm very, very upset about this, Corey. I mean,

00:55:20.520 the protesting is one thing i mean we all support legal protests and these have been peaceful

00:55:25.520 and legal again in my opinion they've gone on for i think their voices have been heard i mean a lot

00:55:32.840 of people wanted myself included to have restrictions and mandates and all these things

00:55:36.700 be repealed as you know i did a pretty fought really hard to have our mascot by law repealed

00:55:41.700 so we've listened we've heard the cities got there the provinces got there federally i understand i

00:55:48.620 I mean, hey, I would all like to see the federal leader, Trudeau, be gone as well.

00:55:54.280 But protesting until that happens is untenable.

00:55:57.660 Now, what's happened here that makes me upset is that I think they were winding down to a logical conclusion.

00:56:05.100 But some councillors or this city councillors and the mayor have, I think, maybe inflamed the situation by calling for counter-protests or even showing up and fighting this battle on Twitter.

00:56:16.860 As you know, council cannot instruct the police or the police commission on what to do.

00:56:22.080 And indirectly or directly, this seems to kind of have been happening.

00:56:26.240 And so now we've just we've seen this issue in flame where we've and hopefully this weekend we'll see it could be much worse now.

00:56:33.600 So I would have preferred city council maybe just to zip it and maybe stay out of this and let the police do their jobs and handle it in their own fashion.

00:56:43.300 Well, that's it.

00:56:44.400 And I mean, I'd gone to a couple of these, you know, not as a participant, but to observe, especially when it was peaking, you know, during the truckers convoy in Ottawa.

00:56:51.940 And there were thousands of people.

00:56:52.940 But I was actually, I found it really remarkable with how peaceful and upbeat the groups were.

00:56:58.220 And, you know, it was winding down.

00:57:01.260 It was getting smaller.

00:57:02.080 But I could see why the people who took part were really offended by some of the nature of people calling them racists, calling them extremists, whatever they might be.

00:57:10.280 And don't agree with their cause.

00:57:11.420 But there is no evidence that this is a race-based thing.

00:57:13.920 And we're getting that from some senior elected officials, which really, I could see that saying, you know what, I'm getting off my couch and I'm going back down there now.

00:57:20.720 Because now I'm, you know, I was okay with the mandates dropping, but I'm ticked off now at being labeled like this.

00:57:26.380 I wish we could just get some more, you know, rational discussion going on.

00:57:31.060 Well, you know, again, I could be critical and cynical because, again, you know, the race, the race card is just getting, it's overused and getting well worn.

00:57:40.780 And as you said, there's a lot of people and a lot of them contact me directly and are very upset at being called racist or white supremacist.

00:57:52.320 If you go down there, I have not myself, but I've seen the images and it's people from all stripes and colors and backgrounds.

00:57:59.540 So you can't say it's a white supremacist movement.

00:58:02.620 So for some certain councillors, I'm not going to name any names.

00:58:05.920 No, I'm not looking to get you to get into it.

00:58:07.600 yeah well of course i have i i will be critical on social media of uh the mayor and some counselors

00:58:14.000 policies now that's one thing to be critical of policies now going after a person's character now

00:58:18.880 that's a whole uh different issue or uh maybe um some of this could be political where you're

00:58:25.600 putting out uh again this shouldn't be litigated on social media in the first place but calls for

00:58:30.640 action to maybe get more clicks or maybe to get your base more support from your base the outcomes

00:58:37.040 now that we've got a situation that's totally inflamed and and people have been uh insulted

00:58:42.480 their characters so and and unfairly characterized again having said that i think that we're all

00:58:48.480 you know like i sympathize with the residents in the belt line or either down to coots or down in

00:58:54.240 ottawa i mean when businesses get disrupted or uh your afternoon but again calling them names and

00:59:00.480 calling them white supremacists that that that's uh that's not that's not fair that's not right

00:59:04.400 no and so as we're heading towards this tense weekend there's only so much can be done in short

00:59:09.080 order and there's a lot of questions over jurisdiction or who can do what we you know

00:59:12.980 the city council's role isn't to push the police commission around or or to push the chief around

00:59:17.020 but what do you think at this point can be done hopefully to to uh alleviate pressure this weekend

00:59:22.040 or avoid conflict well three third excuse me uh we're getting two briefings today from calgary

00:59:29.320 police commission at 3 30 some will be in public and some will be behind closed doors there has

00:59:35.080 been some letters written back and forth you know strongly word of letters and again you talked

00:59:40.680 earlier about this council maybe not getting things done in a timely fashion i've always said

00:59:47.000 words are one thing actions another so i'd like to see less talk and more action something that

00:59:53.160 and so i guess corey what i'm saying is we will hear from calgary police commission today

00:59:58.120 um what they are going to propose because again it's my job as a city councillor is not to direct

01:00:02.920 them and say here write more parking tickets or you could put up some barriers or close the park

01:00:07.400 down and uh put up fencing there's been a lot of talk about maybe some by-law enforcement

01:00:13.320 saying you know their parking's only there for two hours and start writing tickets um i will see what

01:00:19.720 they have to say but again the best thing that i can do or my council fellow my colleagues should

01:00:25.640 be doing is again not having any calls for action and saying hey let's all get out there and you know

01:00:31.160 get uh you know more people on both sides of it and make this even bigger with the potential of

01:00:36.840 this to get violent because it's so far it's been very peaceful so again i don't have the answers

01:00:42.840 i will see if the police commission or the calgary police service have some answers and

01:00:47.160 i'll know more by the end of today yeah well a good first step is yeah just stop pouring fuel

01:00:52.200 on it that would be a refreshing beginning so hopefully we see some of that coming out

01:00:57.160 uh so maybe we'll you know i've got a few more minutes with you turning along then it's your

01:01:01.240 your first term in council what are your priorities going forward uh now that you know aside from the

01:01:06.120 immediate pressing issues uh goals and things that you are hoping to accomplish in this this uh

01:01:11.160 city council oh huge goal is just selling calgary as the best place in the world to not only live

01:01:18.920 but bring your businesses here move here let's make it a business friendly city again not just

01:01:24.520 words and actions and flowery mission statements we need to make sure that we encourage affordable

01:01:31.160 housing this is a big thing i'm a child i live in the suburbs i'm a small town farm boy to begin

01:01:37.000 with so and a lot of people do not maybe not necessarily want to live downtown you know sure

01:01:41.960 we want to make a vibrant beautiful downtown with lots of options and maybe a nice entertainment

01:01:46.520 district uh getting the event center back on track that's key to me corey um so i am on that

01:01:52.360 committee and understand people so i'll be working very hard over in the next uh coming weeks and

01:01:57.320 months to uh i think that's the integral part that any uh world-class city should have a world-class

01:02:03.160 event center and a world-class hockey team which we certainly have and so that's key to me and then

01:02:09.560 on top of that then it's just for my ward of war 13 there's a lot of growth and instead of having

01:02:15.000 people move to Airdrie, Cochrane, Strathmore, Okotoks, let's live here in Calgary and so

01:02:21.240 we can't have this anti-urban sprawl message that some on council or maybe it's a that's

01:02:27.320 a messaging that I disagree with where we want to we need to build more homes because they're the

01:02:32.920 prices are going up there's bidding war so more affordable housing more amenities in the suburbs

01:02:37.960 so it's not always just about downtown Cory so I'd like to see that happen so revitalize the

01:02:43.960 downtown there's lots of good issues and good things happening with the arts commons vmo

01:02:48.760 expansion get the event center back on track uh those things for downtown bring businesses let's

01:02:55.560 make sure that we're tax friendly and easy to do business let's not stack a whole bunch of bylaws

01:03:00.120 and uh and regulations and uh red tape to prevent people from doing business here get get approvals

01:03:07.560 development permits done faster so and then the other big huge key thing key thing for me is the

01:03:14.920 is our is our homelessness population population we have a real problem with mental health and

01:03:20.040 drug addiction and on our sea trains and our downtown core and so there's a lot of safety

01:03:25.400 issues and then if so we've really got to work hard with the province minister mike ellis and

01:03:31.160 if our federal counterparts to see what we can do to get to the core root of these issues and try

01:03:36.120 to clean up uh and help in that situation so those are just some of the things but there's lots to do

01:03:42.520 yeah well and something that does cross you know the the downtown urban and the the suburban uh

01:03:47.880 issues is uh you know calling it social disorder the bottom line is as you sort of addressed a lot

01:03:53.080 of it has to do with mental health issues and addiction issues i mean you live in the suburbs

01:03:57.080 you're getting your catalytic converters stolen and if you're living downtown we i mean we're down

01:04:00.680 here working i see the syringes i see the people on the streets it's very distressing you went on

01:04:05.880 a police ride along the other day uh did you get some good insight out of uh that i mean we've had

01:04:10.440 a lot of people sort of been rough on the police lately and again there's i think there's no better

01:04:14.680 way to get their point of view than get out there and spend some time with them so that was good to

01:04:18.280 see yeah and uh like i said met with the the fire department this morning and with transit i've done

01:04:23.960 some ride-alongs and talked with peace officers on our sea trains so uh and again in that situation

01:04:29.560 we just can't just kind of shelf push the you know move clean out the one c train station and then

01:04:34.920 they hop on and then they go to the next ward and then that's another person's department's problems

01:04:39.560 so again we have to get to the root of the problem maybe again we've got some treatment

01:04:43.960 centers where we just don't say here's a here's a safe injection site here's some more drugs and

01:04:49.400 move along and you can we have to we have to help these people to do that some secure maybe one

01:04:56.120 would say uh um some rehabilitation that is uh that's that's necessary again we have to

01:05:03.720 get there's a larger problem here we need to um there's a word i'm looking for i can't find but

01:05:09.880 supports and and uh yeah i mean uh it's big i mean it's uh complicated that's why it's hard to put it

01:05:17.880 into a few words but uh just hopefully seeing people address it rather kind of avoid it i guess

01:05:23.080 is a good first step to start with and then i'm just glad to see you out there meeting the people

01:05:26.680 on the ground you know in city hall or people elected officials whether it's the legislature

01:05:30.360 or ottawa and they get dome disease or uh auto washed i think was sort of the term if you don't

01:05:34.840 get out enough you don't get to see what's really happening so i i hope you know you keep visiting

01:05:38.680 the police officers and the others who have to deal with it firsthand it can keep that perspective

01:05:42.920 for you and see if you can find solutions well and they're having our staffing shortages and so

01:05:47.960 you've got to support the people on the front lines or our frontline services and they've got

01:05:52.360 a tough and difficult job and it's increasingly dangerous and stressful uh and there's a lot of

01:05:57.880 burnout so again we have to support these people uh and work with them well great so well thanks

01:06:03.880 for coming in to check in like i said it's been a while and coming i was trying to get you during

01:06:06.920 the election campaign but it was uh too tight in time so uh thanks for coming in to talk to us

01:06:12.680 today and uh hope we can check in with you again sometime soon and that this weekend isn't uh isn't

01:06:18.200 to haywire yeah well we'll uh we'll give you an update and we'll do this again great where can

01:06:23.480 people uh contact you if they need to constituents things such as that the best ways is just dan.

01:06:29.160 mcclain calgary.ca okay well thank you very much council mcclain and besides that or something

01:06:36.200 simpler just ward 13 at calgary.ca there we go okay well thanks again for coming in on

01:06:42.200 such a busy day and uh we'll talk to you again soon okay thanks cory take care thanks

01:06:48.440 so and it's as i was saying anyways with councillor mclean you know when we come to policing

01:06:53.160 uh as he pointed out they're having staffing shortages you know we're having here's some

01:06:57.080 of the irony and how messed up our our world is and our system is that uh a lot of people

01:07:03.480 are short of jobs and having a hard time making the bills at the same time we've got professions

01:07:06.680 such as police that are experiencing staffing shortages some of that comes down to morale

01:07:10.840 right those police officers i mean they're constantly getting nothing but but crapped on

01:07:15.320 we're seeing a lot of that from from some members in city council and a bit of that atmosphere from

01:07:19.720 the mayor and i mean does it really make you want to go take on that job i mean that's a miserable

01:07:24.440 tough job and no matter what you do you end up in no-win situations you know uh you get somebody

01:07:30.520 in your face and getting too rough and and uh if you overreact and suddenly you're uh the next

01:07:36.040 YouTube video of the week and you're getting pilloried. At the same time, if you ignore

01:07:40.560 somebody committing a crime and they go further or ignore somebody who's showing signs of it and

01:07:44.160 they go further and hurt somebody, you'll get it for that. And it's a difficult, difficult role to

01:07:50.300 be in. And I think that leads to some of the issues when police act out and do some inappropriate

01:07:56.120 actions. It's because when your morale is low, that's when you're going to be tense, you're

01:08:00.160 stressed and you might not properly respond to a circumstance or situation when you could have

01:08:06.300 because the police are wrong at some point so let's look further why why are there anger issues

01:08:11.760 with police why do they go to physical force so quickly sometimes when perhaps there could have

01:08:15.560 been other ways of getting out of it and we gotta look broader but I mean and I've talked about that

01:08:20.440 before I can't think of a more ridiculous way to deal with that though than to defund them

01:08:24.940 We could change some of the areas of training, change some of the ways that they're supported

01:08:31.660 when they're out in the field, when they're working.

01:08:33.500 But I can't think of any worse way to address the problem than to actually directly cut

01:08:37.900 their funding.

01:08:38.920 But that's a spiteful approach.

01:08:40.680 That's some people who have a beef with policing in general and in itself.

01:08:44.880 I mean, if we had problems with firefighters, if houses were burning down, they weren't

01:08:49.140 getting there fast enough or whatever, would anybody propose it?

01:08:52.580 I know what we should do.

01:08:53.500 we should defund the firefighters? I don't think so. Well, that's about as logical as the defund the

01:08:58.600 police movement is. And I mean, hey, I'm a fiscal conservative. I know you don't solve

01:09:03.120 every problem by just giving them more money either. No, you've got to make sure it's well

01:09:07.300 spent and properly spent. But they're not going to get better for having less money. As we said,

01:09:12.100 as Councillor McLean said, they're already short-staffed. They've already got challenges

01:09:16.560 going on. You know, getting on their case further, I think almost some humiliating behavior being

01:09:22.980 demonstrated towards them. I mean, ridiculous reactive things, as I talked about the other day, 0.57

01:09:27.720 because they were wearing a pin, because some people misinterpreted that as some malicious 0.66

01:09:32.320 support. It was ridiculous. And you know, okay, fine, the Twitter trolls and the twits and the 0.96

01:09:37.500 morons out there going on about a symbol on a police pin, that's not to be too unexpected. 1.00

01:09:43.320 There's a lot of stupid people online, and they love to share it with us. But they should have 1.00

01:09:47.760 been called out very quickly by some people in authority. Where was the response saying,

01:09:52.360 hey you guys cut it out your twits that's not what that is whatsoever but the police were kind 0.93

01:09:56.860 of left hanging with this false rumor about them taking part in militias and crap uh without any

01:10:03.180 uh counterpoint being made and and and again no wonder the police feel uh you know they have

01:10:10.080 morale issues they they aren't feeling uh very good when they're going out to work and uh you

01:10:15.300 know speaking again of mental health issues and challenges that happens on the police end of

01:10:18.880 things too. They've got a tough, tough job. The stuff they deal with, some of the stress, them,

01:10:25.300 paramedics, that symbol you can see there, it's that that's a pin. It's worn for people to take

01:10:29.140 special crowd control training. And I don't know how they deal with a lot of that stress. I see

01:10:34.460 that downtown. They deal, they respond to emergency situations and paramedics do. I wrote a column

01:10:39.060 last fall on an incident I encountered on the way into the office. I ran across an overdose of a

01:10:45.400 young man. I don't think he made it. I still don't know. And it shook me up. It still shakes me up

01:10:51.060 now. I'm just a wreck over it. I was at that time. And it still disturbs me now, very much so.

01:10:58.060 These guys are on the ground. They're dealing with that every bloody day. They're seeing this.

01:11:02.520 They're seeing people killing themselves with these drugs. They're seeing people in dire

01:11:06.760 situations. They're seeing domestic abuse situations, you name it. And then they get

01:11:13.380 crapped on by their bosses. They get crapped on by the, by the public in general. So again,

01:11:18.020 I'm not saying they're perfect, but boy, we've got to really, uh, you know, try to look at this

01:11:24.080 in a broader picture rather than lashing out. Somebody saying, change the training. It shouldn't

01:11:28.000 take six officers to take down one person. I, yeah, I, I'm no expert in those things. Uh, you

01:11:33.120 know, if there were six people in mushy, nasty, uh, middle-aged shape like me, it probably would

01:11:36.700 take six of me to do it. Um, but, um, it depends on how you look at it. Right. I mean, I would

01:11:42.660 think if you have more hands-on, I mean, this is just uneducated talk coming from me. I'm prone

01:11:47.860 to that, I guess. Maybe you could do it more gently, potentially, because, you know, you don't

01:11:52.400 need to go and get as rough to restrain somebody if it was just two people. I don't know. That's

01:11:57.540 an area of expertise for physical confrontation that I don't want to get into because I'll

01:12:01.420 probably give you guys bad information on it. But the bottom line is there's room for better

01:12:04.980 training. Absolutely. There's room for better training. The goal is to avoid conflict. And

01:12:10.280 just to show some of the bad attitude they get to there on social media and the next guest i'm

01:12:15.420 going to get too quickly here there was some discussion somebody showed a picture of the

01:12:18.500 police with the vehicle in front of the march there to say look at that there if they want

01:12:22.080 to stop this they should stop sanctioning the march you know they shouldn't be in there leading

01:12:25.020 the parade hey guys they weren't leading the parade what it is is trained control they're

01:12:29.940 making sure that there aren't traffic issues they're making sure that there aren't safety

01:12:33.680 issues and they're riding in front of it for that reason they're clearing the path to avoid

01:12:37.940 conflict. That's their job. Their job's to avoid the conflict in the first place. They were doing

01:12:42.800 their job right, yet they're still hammerheads on social media giving them crap for it. As I said 0.96

01:12:48.060 in response, and I only said it tongue-in-cheek, the police should just take the whole weekend off

01:12:52.060 and really give these guys a taste of what would happen if they weren't there at all. But that

01:12:57.460 would end up very badly. So again, that was tongue-in-cheek suggestion. Not that they're

01:13:02.500 going to listen to me and take the weekend off anyways, but it would be too painful a lesson

01:13:06.180 to throw out on what's very delicate situation and I'm really actually quite worried about what's

01:13:11.400 going to happen this weekend. So let's get on and bring in on to some broader budget issues. Let's

01:13:16.200 talk some dollars and cents and bring in Alberta Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation,

01:13:21.140 Kevin Lacey, to chat for us for a little bit here on some financial issues and the debt clock and

01:13:27.940 all that good stuff. Hey there, how's it going? How are you, Corey? Good. Good to see you.

01:13:36.180 it's great to join you great so uh you know there's always a lot of things to cover we're

01:13:41.860 in some interesting financial times right now maybe i'll start off with something we've seen

01:13:45.220 a lot of uh the newly branded debt clock is on the roll for you guys the canadian taxpayers

01:13:50.260 federation you had to get a new one because you actually ran out of digits on the last one that's

01:13:54.900 that's astounding that's a true story so the debt clock started in 1990 when the debt was going up

01:14:01.620 under Brian Mulrooney and so the Taxpayers Federation of the day and its members decided

01:14:07.140 to start the National Debt Clock which was literally what it sounds it was a just a pickup

01:14:12.180 truck and somebody had an old trailer and they slapped some numbers on it and off we went across

01:14:17.780 the country to talk about how much the debt was going up and to try to do something to bring it

01:14:24.020 down and the and the other thing that was going on at the time was there was a debate over the GST

01:14:28.420 and so you had this new tax and this high debt and we were trying to do something trying to change

01:14:34.840 change the country so it's funny like our organization started with that and we started

01:14:41.040 kind of on a failure but we're still going today and one of the and the debt today is over a

01:14:47.440 trillion dollars which is why we had to have a new debt clock just to put that in perspective

01:14:52.420 that's about 400 million dollars every single day that the debt will go up and just in

01:14:59.260 Corey the amount of time that we're going to talk today that debt will go up almost two million

01:15:04.920 dollars so this is a big number that Canadians need to be aware of and it's so big that we find

01:15:11.260 that the only way to really convince average Canadians of the challenges that we're in

01:15:16.340 is to show it to them and that's what the debt clock is all about. Yeah and I always liked that

01:15:20.520 even back in the 90s when it came out i loved it because it give people an option because you'd see

01:15:24.040 those numbers just spinning on that thing on a digital thing just to give people an idea of how

01:15:28.440 fast this thing is climbing it's it it and you need that uh to to make a mental grasp just how

01:15:36.320 much dollars are going into the hole on your behalf right now well and that's right and uh

01:15:41.900 if anyone uh wants to see what the deck clock would look like kind of in in real time you can

01:15:48.000 go to deckclock.ca which is our website that essentially runs the deck clock both on the web

01:15:54.860 and also with the truck but we're going to be traveling across Alberta we just finished a tour

01:15:59.360 in British Columbia looking forward to being in Lethbridge on Tuesday morning and going to

01:16:06.020 Medicine Hat and Calgary and Red Deer and Edmonton and Lloydminster to really bring this message home

01:16:13.300 that uh justin trudeau and the liberals are spending far too much of our money we're going

01:16:18.260 far too deep in debt too fast and something needs to happen uh to change it and uh so we're going to

01:16:25.140 be going the tour and uh you can check out our website if anybody wants to see it uh in real

01:16:29.940 time please come out it's uh they're public and we look forward to seeing as many supporters on

01:16:34.900 the road as we can possibly meet our national director franco terrazzano has been on the show

01:16:39.460 many times uh we'll be traveling as well and we're looking forward to seeing as many albertans and

01:16:44.980 bringing the message home yeah and i see nico's brought it up there so we can see that clock

01:16:49.300 spinning away there with those numbers and and uh boy it's well into you know you didn't just go a

01:16:54.180 little bit past that trillion mark it's already well into that and and as i was talking a bit

01:16:59.300 about the the optics like something i've always tried to use you know because people can't envision

01:17:04.180 at us normal people and how much money that is if you took uh an analogy i use a stack of

01:17:09.860 thousand dollar bills that made a million dollars and it was six inches tall that's a lot of money

01:17:14.100 a million bucks is still a lot of money to most of us anyways you know unless you're a cabinet

01:17:17.380 minister or something yeah manning used to often have the joke that uh you know how do you know

01:17:22.580 that a baby's okay when it comes out of the womb it's crying because she's fat he's found out that

01:17:27.780 he's over thirty thousand dollars in debt which is exactly what's going on

01:17:30.900 exactly yeah and you know and that million dollars is six inches tall if it was a billion dollars

01:17:37.300 that would be 500 feet tall like that's how much a billion is you know because you got to drive home

01:17:41.540 to people how much a billion is now think about a trillion that's a thousand times that and that's

01:17:47.860 what we're in the hole right now that's that's disturbing but another you know we can't relate

01:17:52.660 to that we think of our you know 500 car payments or a two thousand dollar mortgage payment it's

01:17:57.700 just the scope of those numbers uh gets too uh almost surreal to us so it's great that you guys

01:18:03.300 get out there and give such a visual uh you know uh demonstration to see what they're all about

01:18:07.700 yeah thanks and you know uh we're gonna be april the first week of april is supposed to be the

01:18:12.500 federal budget so it's got a timely there's a reason why it's now as well is because we want

01:18:18.500 to be able to go into that federal budget and have an actual debate about some of the spending

01:18:24.260 that is going on um whether or not the liberals are spending their money responsibly um because

01:18:29.860 they liberal the liberal government loves to talk about the spending and what you're going to get

01:18:35.060 for it and there's a cost and it's the cost that is often missed uh in the whole debate yeah well

01:18:42.020 and uh april 1st uh there's also going to be another event that you guys have been reminding

01:18:46.900 us all about quite regularly and i appreciate you reminding it and the the carbon tax is going up

01:18:51.540 yet again yeah look we're going to be facing some pretty big obstacles come april 1st

01:18:56.900 and the the crazy thing about the federal uh carbon tax is it's going to go up in april 1st

01:19:01.860 we're going to pay here in alberta about 11 cents uh of carbon tax on that on each liter of gasoline

01:19:09.220 um but it is legislated to go up until 2030 so it will continue to go up uh as time goes on and

01:19:16.900 uh you know when the government brought this piece of legislation they thought oh no one's

01:19:20.340 going to care you know a few cents here and there but given the price of gas um this is a massive

01:19:26.100 hit on canadians um and the kenny government has gone forward and eliminated the provincial gas

01:19:32.580 tax which will save us about 15 cents uh but premier kenny is right he went out and said look

01:19:38.180 like we're doing our part what's the federal government doing on theirs and at the same time

01:19:44.420 one will come off one will go up and there's only one taxpayer which means we're going to get hammered

01:19:49.460 uh anyway and that's why i think the carbon tax is an important debate i think the second element

01:19:55.460 of the debate is what is the carbon tax supposed to be doing like you know i think often lost in

01:20:02.260 this we talk about the costs and the and the benefits and all this but where like what is

01:20:07.540 this money going towards because um certainly some of the the things such as the paris climate

01:20:14.100 agreement all this kind of stuff i mean it's having virtually no impact on that um so even

01:20:20.500 the rationale for the carbon tax doesn't seem to make any sense so we have higher costs no rationale

01:20:25.940 um and at a time when canadians and albertans are really struggling and maybe just to finish

01:20:31.220 off on this point court like we're an energy province here in alberta like the oil is here

01:20:36.660 like it's it's beneath our feet yeah we're paying these high prices um because the government won't

01:20:43.300 let us get at it it's it's a crazy situation it's one thing for in central canada they want to talk

01:20:49.780 about energy and all that but we have it it's right here um and yet it's being uh it's being

01:20:54.900 kept from us we're paying these high costs as a result yeah no it's ridiculous and bizarre and

01:20:59.540 there just hasn't even been much discussion of trying to bring more into market i mean aside

01:21:03.380 from locally uh which is just terribly unusual in the world's in an energy crisis so i appreciate

01:21:08.900 you coming on and talking to us today about that we're looking forward to watching that tour and

01:21:12.660 as you said it's timely uh they'll get to ottawa just at the right time where can people find more

01:21:17.300 information about what you're doing here in alberta and nationally sure you can find it at

01:21:21.140 taxpayer.ca um and that'll have all the information about the deck clock and as well uh other things

01:21:27.780 that we're working on um and if you just want to show the deck clock and even if you want to

01:21:32.020 show your friends and neighbors and communities that we're unable not we're unable we can't get

01:21:36.740 to um then please pass along the debt clock and show people exactly how much money we're spending

01:21:43.860 and how deep the debt is that's the way we're going to create change is by educating and changing

01:21:48.660 minds great well thank you very much for coming in to check in with us today kevin and uh keep up

01:21:53.940 the good work and i'm certain we'll be talking again soon great thanks again appreciate you

01:21:57.540 having me great thanks kevin so yes that's uh kevin lacy the alberta director of the canadian

01:22:03.940 and Taxpayers Federation. Yeah, if nothing else, those guys always have lots to talk about because

01:22:08.680 we're always getting more and more tax abuse. So let's talk about some other news items. Let's

01:22:14.700 talk about a little bit of sports for a moment. I see an item here. Leah Thomas took control in 1.00

01:22:19.220 the final 100 yards of a 500-yard freestyle and made history Thursday as the first

01:22:24.500 known transgender woman to win an NCAA swimming championship. That's nice. 0.93

01:22:29.120 You know, I would have thought, because I looked it up, and I guess she's started some hormone treatment and everything, but nothing else has been done.

01:22:37.860 I just would have thought that having those nuts dragging behind the suit would have caused drag and actually put her at a disadvantage, but apparently not. 1.00

01:22:44.000 She's still leading the pack, but we've actually seen some protests.

01:22:47.320 This has been terrible, guys.

01:22:48.840 You know, this is a matter of delusion we're getting into.

01:22:53.080 I mean, we want to be accepting, of course, and, you know, we've come a long ways.

01:22:58.180 It used to be terrible. I mean, it was actually illegal for people to be gay not that long ago in a relative sort of sense.

01:23:04.540 But we've come to this point of trying to deny biological realities now in sports.

01:23:13.060 I mean, it's clear. It's clear as we're seeing transgender women coming out and dominating a large number of events.

01:23:20.560 And it is so unfair, you know, for the other women who have been working so hard and trying to come up and they're at a disadvantage because these people were physiologically put at an advantage by birth.

01:23:32.600 I mean, let's just keep it fair, guys.

01:23:35.060 Why does it have to push into that?

01:23:37.680 I really do want to, trans rights, absolutely.

01:23:40.880 I want to respect a person to be who they are and enjoy who they are and live their life as fully as they can.

01:23:47.440 Change things how you will.

01:23:48.760 but we've got to get realistic at some points and when we're talking about these sports this is

01:23:54.360 ridiculous it really is and uh I don't think it's helping with other trans people who don't want to 1.00

01:24:01.520 get caught in the middle of that they just want to live their lives and be okay but some of these 0.93

01:24:04.400 activists and others and I think there was a picture of this one there's this uh Leah Thomas

01:24:11.040 I mean standing there in that that woman's suit but there was for you didn't think for a second

01:24:16.240 that this was a biological woman because like it or not we are physiologically different without 0.90

01:24:20.720 at least going to efforts through hormone therapy and surgery and things to change it

01:24:24.880 and somebody tweeted you know geez at least try because you didn't glance for a second

01:24:28.800 this is somebody who was certainly of a different build and uh it's it's not reasonable to have that

01:24:35.980 going on it's too bad this battle has to happen i mean it's just such a departure from realism

01:24:40.360 and a bit of common sense and it's not doing anybody any favors whatsoever but here we are

01:24:47.400 uh let's see oh yeah getting back so you know i should frame things up uh for the weekend i will

01:24:53.560 be going out you know to observe at these and the standards going to be covering the protests

01:24:56.960 downtown calgary hopefully it doesn't go too nuts uh so a news item yeah that was some of the fights

01:25:01.980 that were going on in city hall and uh councillor mclean wasn't a part of that but the the real

01:25:06.360 goofy left that they have there and there's a number of them uh there's the the two courtneys 0.77

01:25:10.380 uh penner and and whatever the other fella is and uh giancarlo carra who's always been a part

01:25:15.720 of the loopy left he came that close to losing in the last election it's too bad it didn't quite

01:25:19.920 happen and it's very clear there but there was a looking there was actually one councillor who

01:25:25.080 wanted some compromise say well why don't we just listen to them why don't we hold a town hall talk

01:25:29.160 to people let them vent it out and they went nuts i'm not inviting hate i'm not inviting racism into

01:25:33.360 City Hall. These are the people running the city. What an embarrassment. What a terrible way to try

01:25:39.340 and govern things with this divisive crap. And that was the word out of a penner saying, I will 0.99

01:25:44.100 not allow hate to come into these chambers. You know what? When you're calling your constituents

01:25:47.340 racist with no basis, you're the one spreading the hate penner. You are. The hate's already in

01:25:52.000 the chambers. You and the other Courtney and the rest, you're BS because you differ with them and

01:25:57.300 you will slander them, call them racists, call them bigots. Cut it out. Cut it out. All right, 0.95

01:26:05.080 that's got my blood pressure up. Before I get going, as I said, the reminder, which will get

01:26:08.240 everybody else's blood pressure up, I do have Jean Charest coming on on Monday. We're going to talk

01:26:12.200 to him about his leadership bid for the Conservative Party of Canada. And I'm going to have Melissa

01:26:18.000 M. Barkey. She's been on the show before. She's an Indigenous person who works in the oil sector, 0.98

01:26:26.180 the oil and gas sector, and she's with the McDonnell Laurier Institute. This is why I got

01:26:32.200 it in the show, too. My tongue is failing on me at the end of a week of babbling at all, you poor

01:26:36.060 souls. And she's going to respond to all those celebrities who have lined up again, yet again,

01:26:41.000 you know, the usual suspects, Leonardo DiCaprio and all them demanding an end to the coastal gas

01:26:46.180 link. And these celebrities sort of take it upon themselves, saying that they are speaking for

01:26:49.800 Canadian First Nations people, and they aren't whatsoever. So it's good to have somebody who 0.97

01:26:53.680 knows something about it. It was actually directly tied to these things to push back and tell these,

01:26:58.700 well, I can't put words in her mouth, but I suspect she's going to tell those celebrities

01:27:01.880 to get stuffed. She's certainly been doing so on Twitter and on social media already.

01:27:05.980 So that's going to be a really good conversation. And of course, I got a whole week full of good

01:27:10.500 guests lined up to talk to next week. And I'm sure I'll have a lot of stuff to report on and

01:27:15.240 rant about. So thank you all for joining me all week. And thanks for joining me today.

01:27:19.960 Send me those questions and ideas.

01:27:22.020 I do welcome all of them.

01:27:24.100 I'm sure some people send me some stuff telling me where to go.

01:27:26.600 It doesn't bother me that much.

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LIVE - Triggered： Weekend of conflict looms for Calgary.

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