Western Standard - LIVE： Triggered with Cory Morgan - Convoy protest pressure cooker.

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00:00:30.000 Good morning, February 11th, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan. This is a Western

00:00:40.900 Standards live show. It runs Monday to Friday, every day from 1130 a.m. until I'm done talking

00:00:46.320 to you, usually by about one o'clock or so. We bring on guests, we have commentary, we go back

00:00:51.360 and forth, lots of ranting, lots of fun. I like the comments and I see some are already coming in.

00:00:55.680 Now, Winston Smith was in quite earlier with a comment saying actually that we have people who pretend there isn't an easy way to stop the protests or isn't a way.

00:01:04.240 And he says it's actually extremely simple. Drop all the mandates and give everyone who was wrongfully fired their jobs back.

00:01:11.780 I wish it was that simple. I mean, it really is if somebody would actually do it.

00:01:16.020 But unfortunately, the mix of politics and self-interest and a lot of things will prevent our leaders from taking that simple solution, at least in the short term.

00:01:23.460 but let's hope some some reason starts prevailing pretty soon uh ben eldridge saying uh western

00:01:29.640 standard should send trudeau a western standard branded sippy cup with two handles yeah we'll

00:01:34.280 work on that you know for now actually we do have these nice new branded mugs here and uh it does

00:01:38.500 have a good solid handle because you know the chances of me spilling a coffee on my laptop or

00:01:42.320 can be pretty strong sometimes when i'm raging but all the same uh we'll we'll see if we can get

00:01:46.840 the sippy cups down the road and help Mr. Trudeau out when the time comes. So I've got a lot coming

00:01:53.780 up today. I got a guest, Marcella Touche. She's the president and CEO of the Institute for Public

00:01:58.340 Sector Accountability. And he wrote a column in the Western Standard talking about identity,

00:02:03.420 politics, division, and an issue we talked a little bit about the other day of the difference

00:02:07.360 between equality and equity. I mean, the words are very similar, but the meanings can be quite

00:02:12.840 different and the interpretation is important uh michelle sterling is going to come on after that

00:02:17.640 she's been on the show a number of times she's with friends of science and uh we're going to

00:02:21.800 talk about a delicate subject the the the graves uh some found and identified at residential school

00:02:27.960 sites and uh some of the debates around it and there was a 60 minutes piece on it a little while

00:02:32.360 back that really was a short segment and left out a lot of important stuff about those residential

00:02:37.160 schools so it'll be important to talk about and get the full details because it's a sensitive

00:02:41.000 issue. It's a big one and we're concerned about it. So that'll be a good conversation as well.

00:02:44.720 And I'll be talking to Dave Naylor in a little bit after I start my rant because he had an

00:02:47.720 exclusive interview with Premier Jason Kennedy last night and he heard and learned a lot of

00:02:52.960 things. It'll be, there's some of the stories on the Western Standard already from Dave on that.

00:02:57.040 And there'll probably be more to come because it was a good long conversation. We won't always hear

00:03:01.480 everything you want to hear from the Premier when you get them, but it's important to be able to

00:03:06.440 listen to him and see where he's trying to go. Well, listen, if you heard Doug Ford this morning,

00:03:09.780 for some of us, it really got the blood pressure going up, I tell you. So getting on, I'm going

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00:04:13.140 We're going to start talking about this where I rant, this is where I'm triggered, this is where

00:04:16.140 I get going. This is my nature. That's why the show is named that way. But as Nico brought up

00:04:22.420 the term we were talking before the show, and it's the right way to frame it, I'm an angry but

00:04:25.720 peaceful guy. I never want to see violence. I don't. I have no use for violence. If it could

00:04:31.300 be avoided, it should be, and I'm really starting to get worried about some of the things. So I'm

00:04:35.920 still angry, but I want to make sure things stay peaceful, and I'm not sure if it's possible.

00:04:40.020 So my excitement with the success of the Truckers for Freedom convoy protest is starting to turn

00:04:44.680 into apprehension. I mean, so far the protests have been a grand success. I've felt something

00:04:49.400 akin to national pride, which as an Alberta independence advocate is a rare thing for me,

00:04:54.620 as I watch Canadians who are known for their passive approach to things take a stand by the 0.99

00:04:58.340 thousands and firmly tell the government they've had enough and they've done it through the truckers

00:05:02.820 protests and canada has actually inspired the world for a change and not through government

00:05:07.540 action but through protesters freedom convoys are springing up in australia new zealand france

00:05:13.620 and the united states i'm getting a thrill with every report i see of convoys and new nations

00:05:18.420 that were inspired by us that's something to be proud of we got some backbone we still are tough

00:05:23.140 canadians and and we're going to push back the fundraising for the convoy of course has been

00:05:27.300 incredible. Over 100,000 Canadians have donated to these funds, and despite the hardest efforts

00:05:32.460 of the thieves in governments, it continues to raise millions. And it's not just the fact that

00:05:37.580 the funds are aiding the convoy that disturbs the state so much. It's the fact that the giant

00:05:42.780 fundraisers are indicating broad, dedicated cross-country support for the protest. It's a

00:05:47.400 giant symbol of support, and opponents to freedom, of course, despise it. Now, as the government plays

00:05:53.860 whack-a-mole chasing fundraising efforts around. They just look all the more petty and inept. 0.99

00:05:58.100 While Doug Ford's been trying to use the courts to seize the funds in the Give, Send, Go 0.85

00:06:01.420 fund, I think it's Give, Send, Go, he's failing. They put out a statement reminding him that

00:06:06.860 they're outside of his jurisdiction and they can pretty much, he can pretty much blow it out his 1.00

00:06:11.020 ass. In response now, Doug Ford's declared a state of emergency in Ontario. I mean, the panic in his 0.99

00:06:16.380 eyes is truly something. And he's speaking in threatening terms and he's inflaming the situation.

00:06:23.020 Prime Minister Trudeau has never hesitated to pour gas on the fire,

00:06:26.380 as he villainizes protesters and their supporters and labels them as extremists and racists.

00:06:31.460 The government has not even suggested discourse with the protesters at any level,

00:06:35.140 and this is where the danger is coming in.

00:06:38.340 On their end, the protesters are becoming increasingly frustrated,

00:06:41.460 and they're getting more aggressive with their actions.

00:06:43.600 The border blockages are causing serious economic damage on both sides of the border,

00:06:47.840 and now it's springing up in multiple spots.

00:06:49.960 They're making it clear they have no plans to move.

00:06:52.460 But somebody on one side, or preferably both, has to start opening discourse.

00:06:57.520 No more insults and no more unreasonable demands.

00:07:00.360 A little bit of degree of sounding like there's room for compromise has to come into this.

00:07:05.720 A commons committee likened the truckers to terrorists.

00:07:08.000 This was just the other night.

00:07:09.520 I swear, they seem like they're actually wanting to provoke violence.

00:07:13.000 Honking horns is annoying.

00:07:15.280 But it's not terrorism, guys.

00:07:16.780 Let's not undercut how serious that word is by labeling what have been so far extremely peaceful protests as terrorism.

00:07:26.380 The government has to at least try to meet with the organizers, and to date they haven't done a damn thing.

00:07:31.480 We know outright that Trudeau would have been out there meeting with those protesters within hours if it had been a BLM protest.

00:07:38.480 Protesters can and should hinder movement in their areas. 0.55

00:07:41.740 Civil disobedience, I mean, it's pointless if you're just standing on a street corner with a sign.

00:07:45.100 But that said, you have to let some pressure off too. You have to let some traffic cross the border. Slow and hinder things up, but don't cork them. Pressure is building and that's going to lead to an explosion soon.

00:07:57.140 I don't want to see this magnificent movement end with tear gas, rubber bullets, and injuries, if not deaths, not to mention arrests and some of the things like Doug Ford is talking about ruining the careers of people by pulling away their licenses and accreditations.

00:08:10.400 Things have been incredibly peaceful, and that record can be maintained.

00:08:14.260 Maybe I'm just whistling in the wind, and physical conflict between the state and the protesters is inevitable.

00:08:18.900 I sure hope not, though.

00:08:20.160 This incredible period of Canadian history can end positively.

00:08:23.240 But as both sides keep entrenching further, the likelihood of that gets narrower and narrower.

00:08:28.300 And I'm just really worried for it.

00:08:29.900 So as I said earlier, I'm angry. I'm always angry.

00:08:33.120 But I'm always peaceful, too.

00:08:34.880 I just don't want to see somebody get hurt out of this.

00:08:37.420 And I'm really getting nervous as we go into this weekend.

00:08:39.460 and seeing where Doug Ford has gone and where Trudeau has gone.

00:08:44.000 It's a frightening scene.

00:08:46.420 All right, so let's get in, though, to talk to Dave Naylor

00:08:48.640 because he had quite a busy news night last night.

00:08:50.940 He had an exclusive interview with Premier Jason Kenney.

00:08:54.400 He's written some stories on it, and I'm sure he's got more he can add.

00:08:56.860 Hey, Dave, how's it going over there?

00:08:58.920 Thank God it's Friday, Corey.

00:09:01.000 You're looking tired, but you're looking good, though.

00:09:04.260 Yeah, I was hoping for a weekend off,

00:09:06.240 but I somehow don't see that happening.

00:09:09.160 It's absolutely crazy in the news business this week, and it's continuing today.

00:09:15.460 As you mentioned, I did have an exclusive interview with Premier Kenney last night.

00:09:20.800 All sorts of good things coming out of that.

00:09:23.980 I published two stories last night on his support for Leslyn Lewis to get into the race,

00:09:30.300 and also his warning for truckers.

00:09:33.340 They better get out of there or they're going to face significant penalties.

00:09:39.160 Today, I've just published a significant story from the Premier.

00:09:43.960 He has vowed that he will change the Municipal Government Act to take powers away from Alberta

00:09:49.600 cities if they do not fall in line with his COVID guidelines.

00:09:54.560 You'll remember on Tuesday, Corey, that the province dropped the vaccine passport program

00:09:59.860 and on March 1st will drop the forced masking program.

00:10:03.640 City of Edmonton though has decided they're going to investigate whether or not they can bring in

00:10:09.120 their own vaccine passport and they're going to keep their mask mandate. City of Calgary has voted

00:10:15.260 down Mayor Gondek's proposal to look at a vaccine passport but they're also keeping their mask

00:10:22.040 mandate till undetermined date. So yeah Kenny's not happy. Kenny says if the province or cities

00:10:29.880 want to run the health care system he is going to move and change the municipal government act

00:10:34.520 to take powers away from them also from kenny today on the website i guess not surprisingly

00:10:43.640 really he says he has no plans to campaign for the ucp candidate in the upcoming writing of

00:10:50.680 fort mcmurray laklabish of course the ucp candidate is one brian gene who has been one

00:10:58.840 one of kenny's most vocal critics and is actively uh pursuing uh getting rid of him as a sitting

00:11:06.280 mla so premier says uh you know he's still looking at his schedule but uh i for one would be surprised

00:11:13.200 if uh if he made a visit uh during the campaign uh lots and lots of other major breaking stories

00:11:20.840 on the site this morning already cory we've mel risden has got an interesting story on a

00:11:26.660 a fairly high-ranking Canadian Armed Forces soldier.

00:11:30.720 He's a major, and he's not happy with vaccine passports. 0.94

00:11:35.060 So he's done a video in full Army regalia with his uniform.

00:11:41.700 You know, this is a guy, Corey, who went and served the country in Afghanistan,

00:11:44.800 and now he's not happy with all the COVID regulations.

00:11:50.560 So it's a compelling video, and I urge everybody to go and check that out.

00:11:56.660 He's also going to be in big trouble, obviously, because the forces have mandated that no one is supposed to talk publicly about this sort of stuff.

00:12:06.500 Other stuff, there was a UCP annual general meeting in the writing of Sherwood Park earlier this week

00:12:14.160 that basically saw the election of pro-Kenny delegates or pro-Kenny board members.

00:12:21.860 The opponents who want Kenny removed have filed a formal complaint

00:12:26.120 about what they're calling the shenanigans that happened at the meeting,

00:12:31.160 and they have a long list of fairly damning complaints

00:12:34.820 about how the meeting was handled.

00:12:39.800 Go send me, or go send go, or whatever they're called.

00:12:43.540 Give send go has told Canadians that if they donate to their site,

00:12:50.200 The Canadian government will have no access in trying to seize it.

00:12:54.320 The Ontario government has said they're going to try and freeze that American fund.

00:13:02.040 And the Americans say there's no way that that's going to happen.

00:13:06.380 And, of course, Ontario, an emotional Premier, Doug Ford, declaring a state of emergency this morning.

00:13:14.620 Threatening truckers with $100,000 fines.

00:13:18.160 if they if they don't move away from the ambassador bridge you know that's perhaps the

00:13:25.260 or it is the key link between trade between Canada and the United States tens and tens of

00:13:31.720 billions of dollars across it every year I think he said 200 million a day so that's causing

00:13:39.480 significant economic problems down in Ontario so Ford has had enough there's also unconfirmed

00:13:47.520 reports of police officers from across the province going into Windsor now to get ready to

00:13:55.160 enforce, get rid of the blockade. So a hectic day is going to be a hectic morning and a hectic

00:14:03.400 weekend, Corey. No rest for the week. No, I suspect you're going to be hammering out some stories on

00:14:08.660 the weekend, whether you want to rest or not, but we appreciate your dedication and Mel and all the

00:14:13.340 rest. I mean, news doesn't work bankers' hours, I'm afraid. Certainly doesn't. All right. Thanks,

00:14:19.320 Dave. I'll let you get back to it, and we'll carry on with the show there. Thanks, Corey.

00:14:24.320 Great. So yes, lots of news and food for thought. You know, some comments, I think,

00:14:29.440 where did we see this? I'll scroll up. Cheryl, yeah, asking, how can the city enforce the

00:14:35.280 vaccine passports when they don't have access to private medical info? I believe they do have to

00:14:40.540 have the cooperation of the government to do that. And it doesn't sound like the Kenny government's

00:14:44.560 going to be cooperative with it. Calgary looks like they're out. Edmonton wants to go in. That'll

00:14:49.060 be one of the easier ways for, I think, Kenny to block the Edmonton though. It's just say, no,

00:14:52.460 you know, that's, it's not, that's provincial data and you don't get it. So too bad. They could try,

00:14:57.320 I guess, to demand paper things in businesses. With Kenny overriding and adjusting the Municipal

00:15:03.660 Act, if that's what it takes, so be it. I'd rather it didn't. You know, I've talked about that before.

00:15:08.460 I like seeing decentralized government. I like seeing local government having more authority

00:15:12.520 and ability. But if they're going to step on the rights of citizens and businesses, then I guess

00:15:16.180 the provincial government does have to step in. And, you know, keeping a mask mandate passed when

00:15:21.280 our provincial medical experts, because again, it's not municipal turf. They don't run the medical

00:15:25.820 system. So stay the hell out of it. Mayors, councillors, come on guys, worry about dog

00:15:30.620 crap on people's lawns, keeping the snow off our streets. And, you know, those other important 0.95

00:15:35.380 matters of business that you're in charge of. Stay out of medical areas and don't worry about

00:15:40.400 making your condemnations of other governments and things like that. And if they bring in a mask

00:15:45.320 mandate, that's going to be the bigger one, I think, more than the vaccine passport. We saw that

00:15:49.680 with Nenshi in the past when the masks came off temporarily. He had to be pushed. He wanted to

00:15:55.640 keep that mandate for a whole year. And the city finally relented under pressure. They held it out

00:16:00.740 for one more week out of spite for citizens. I got a feeling that Gondek is not going to want to

00:16:06.980 relinquish the mask mandates in Calgary, as are probably some other municipalities,

00:16:11.000 which is going to put a lot of pressure on local businesses, restaurants. I was reporting on it,

00:16:17.300 and I've seen it. My local impritus busy as all get out, and restaurants all over the city have

00:16:21.380 it. I got a feeling tonight is going to be a very busy night in the bars and restaurants all over

00:16:24.840 Alberta, because all of those people, and we're talking, when you're talking 10, 15% of the

00:16:29.280 population who hasn't chosen to be vaccinated now can finally go out to those places they've been

00:16:34.140 waiting for months they're going to go out and if the cities start cracking down on them again

00:16:38.900 they're going to go to businesses outside of the cities if they stay home if they don't stay home

00:16:42.660 altogether and businesses are going to be calling a they better be calling their city halls and say

00:16:46.720 hey cut this crap out we can't compete um the other thing they're going to be inviting is i mean look 0.75

00:16:53.320 at the protests look how things are going mayor gondek do you really want to see all those 0.99

00:16:57.580 protesters setting up on the steps of city hall every weekend because that's what they're going

00:17:02.480 to do maybe even longer you can't sit there as a holdout when the authorities higher than you and

00:17:07.960 they are higher than you get over it jody have said that the mask mandates are ending so the

00:17:14.260 but we're going to watch these battles are going to go on it's going to keep happening

00:17:17.800 as uh as the municipals and the feds uh and the province all push around all over the place

00:17:24.480 Kenny you know

00:17:26.540 what Dave was talking about with him

00:17:28.460 I mean it's interesting to see he's got a lot

00:17:30.620 of stuff on his plate going on

00:17:32.620 talking tough with the

00:17:34.680 truckers but at the same time

00:17:36.120 trying to appease

00:17:38.340 he's walking a tightrope and I don't think it's working

00:17:40.660 out very well for him but we'll be

00:17:42.660 observing as it goes so yeah he's got that Fort

00:17:44.440 Mack by-election going on up there which puts him in an

00:17:46.500 uncomfortable position he has

00:17:48.800 the truckers issues going

00:17:50.540 on and it was interesting that he talked about

00:17:52.700 Leslie Lewis, of all things, in the conservative race. He did not endorse her, but said it'd be

00:17:56.720 great if she threw her hat in and entered. How strong his endorsement is worth these days is

00:18:04.240 difficult to determine. It used to carry a lot more weight, but he's very low in popularity

00:18:09.640 among a lot of people right now, and that endorsement might not be as valuable to

00:18:14.920 conservative contenders as it used to be. But we do have an unfolding race building up there.

00:18:20.500 So I've got Marcel in the lobby there.

00:18:23.040 I'm going to bring him in shortly here,

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00:19:52.720 can help you stand up for yourself so okay let's bring marcel in he wrote a column for us recently

00:19:57.640 that was his first guest column for the the western standard and it was a complicated one

00:20:04.200 marcel likes talking about those those philosophical political issues but a very important one so how

00:20:08.920 doing marcel i'm doing fine thank you how are you very good very good things have been rocking along

00:20:15.560 we're very tired around here because things have been busy uh but uh it's uh it's a good tired

00:20:23.480 yeah so you know i decided to do this because for the past couple of years here i've been very

00:20:30.760 worried about what is going on uh not only in canada but in the western world with regards to

00:20:37.560 freedoms when kovid came in it actually sort of uh brought this to a head and now we have

00:20:45.640 the freedom convoy and stuff like this coming up and i was you know sort of motivated to to write

00:20:53.000 this piece because i think it's extremely important for us to start looking at where we are going

00:20:58.440 because if we do not do something about this very very quickly it's going to be too late for us

00:21:05.080 yes and it's been very difficult and and it's been an insidious way that the woke have been

00:21:11.680 dividing us sort of you know in in identity politics and in policy one of the areas you

00:21:17.160 went into and it was you know it's tough to cover in just a paragraph too though is the difference

00:21:20.760 between equality and equity you know they're they're two very distinct words even if they

00:21:25.480 sound similar but they have big different meanings and implications absolutely i mean equality is

00:21:30.920 about giving opportunity to everybody else. What has happened is over the years, equality was

00:21:36.880 something that everybody aspired to because it made everybody equal. I mean, if you look at

00:21:43.780 France, for instance, fraternity, liberty, and inequality was their motto. In the United States,

00:21:52.260 life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In Canada, the North strong and free.

00:21:58.720 All these people were talking about the freedom, the freedom to express themselves to be equal

00:22:05.660 in the opportunity to better themselves.

00:22:08.740 What we have seen in the past three decades is that this has been slowly been eroded.

00:22:14.900 And it has started in academia, where they have started pushing ideologies to a whole

00:22:22.780 generation of kids who now do not even understand what is going on around them and what what we see

00:22:31.260 is indoctrination the unions are taking more of a say in in in public discourse today and pushing

00:22:41.180 an agenda of the left i mean when we look at at equity for instance it came by more and more in

00:22:49.180 the United States where people are looking at social justice. There is no doubt that the history

00:22:56.620 of United States have been fraught with all sorts of racial and division in the past,

00:23:04.700 but we've made a lot of progress. I mean, Martin Luther King said that what we should be looking at

00:23:11.980 is the character of the people not the skin color but today the left has taken everything

00:23:21.820 everything in identity politics and social justice is using skin color gender to you to to reform

00:23:33.020 the the way we look at things you take ivy schools for instance i mean the iv i mean so yale harvard

00:23:41.100 they've been sued now because there is this disparity in the admission process between

00:23:47.260 blacks and asians i mean that's not equity equity doesn't mean that you know you discriminate

00:23:54.540 whereas equality is everybody is equal but marxism has declared that oh yeah everybody is equal as

00:24:02.620 long as some are more equal than others and this is what's happening today in our world

00:24:08.060 you see corporations, you see, most importantly, the high-tech industry censoring and doing things

00:24:18.780 that we, as ordinary citizens, cannot do. The media is at the heart of it. If you look at the

00:24:26.780 media in Canada, for instance, it's subsidized by a government, so what are they supposed to do?

00:24:33.420 they sing from the same page book and what happens is canadians are not just misinformed

00:24:40.460 they are getting not fake news because i don't like to use the word fake news

00:24:45.100 i use bias news and this is where it's happening yeah it's a bad slant and that was exposed pretty

00:24:53.580 strongly uh not too long ago uh with one of the uh reporters at the cbc when she uh wrote you

00:24:59.660 you know, a great long blog, and I'm forgetting her name offhand, but it just eviscerated the

00:25:03.540 corporation and said, you know, she, as a person who considers herself quite progressive and left

00:25:07.940 wing, just could not even handle being in the room any longer with them when every story had

00:25:14.080 to have a racial under component. They were actually asked about such things. They were

00:25:17.740 pushed towards, and again, it keeps dividing people. It's not addressing a problem of division.

00:25:22.960 It's actually creating a division, and it's setting, I think, a lot of progress back. I mean,

00:25:28.320 we've always got work to do, but we're going back to dividing each other instead of trying to learn

00:25:32.800 to like each other. It's absurd. It is. I mean, you know, you take the freedom,

00:25:37.480 the freedom convoy, for instance. I mean, these people are complaining about mandates. We've had

00:25:44.640 two years where we've been controlled by every government institution in this country. And when

00:25:52.860 I say this country, I should extend it to every Western country in the world. We have been

00:25:59.280 completely bamboozled. We say, go home, stay home, wear a mask. And if you don't wear a mask,

00:26:07.040 you're going to get fined. Have you seen the fact that every time we say, if you don't,

00:26:12.980 we will charge you or fine you? I mean, is this another tax? Is it another way to coerce people

00:26:18.900 into doing things. The problem we have today is that every single level of government have little

00:26:26.660 wannabe dictators putting new rules to control us. I mean, look at what has happened.

00:26:34.180 Kenny decided to relax the mandates in Alberta. Not entirely, but some of it. Immediately,

00:26:45.300 Four members of council in Calgary said they would like to consider their own. In Edmonton,

00:26:52.980 they are going to continue with their passports. I mean, what is going to happen to us is that

00:27:00.980 we have allowed ourselves under the umbrella of fear of COVID to accept everything that

00:27:10.100 government have told us for the past two years after that we don't know where we are going to

00:27:16.260 go because we've got to ask all these governments to remove and rescind all these rules completely

00:27:24.980 off the books because otherwise they will use it again against you at a later stage

00:27:31.780 This is why I am so concerned about what is going on as free

00:27:39.540 freedom. But let's look at what's happening. Are the freedom convoy being treated equally under

00:27:46.660 the law or are we using social justice to differentiate them from how Black Lives Matter

00:27:53.700 or antifa or any other groups protesting were treated before this is the problem with social

00:28:01.940 justice we divide instead of being equal we are go ahead oh i was just saying yeah the frustration

00:28:11.460 and what really annoyed me with this i mean there's a debate to be had and and the government

00:28:15.460 could take a strong stand and say look you know whether you agree with them or not you're putting

00:28:19.700 people's health at risk and these these measures are important and so on i mean fair enough as

00:28:23.940 far as the discussion goes but they went straight to baselessly labeling these people as racists

00:28:30.020 and and as uh misogynists and i mean just these ridiculous comparisons they went directly towards

00:28:36.180 that rather than even trying to make a case for the restrictions they'd already put in and that

00:28:40.900 is a lot exactly my point the left has been very very adept at dividing us divide to conquer and

00:28:50.740 we've got to look at this very seriously and the media has been part of this because if they do

00:28:56.980 not give a a clear independent report of what's happening the majority of people who do not study

00:29:06.660 or research these things are being coerced into believing what the media tells them i mean let

00:29:12.980 me give you something as an example which is just totally out out of here we're talking about the

00:29:18.020 olympics these days donna friezen of global was on uh on the news talking about how people are

00:29:29.220 being manipulated of believing that the media is fake i don't use the word fake i just use that the

00:29:37.140 media is biased what she forgets is every single media outlet except for a very few like you the

00:29:45.780 western standard or rebel or something like this give a totally unbiased information to the public

00:29:53.940 So much so that at the Olympics, she talked about what is happening in the United States with regards to two highly qualified athletes, instead of participating for the U.S., are participating for China.

00:30:12.080 And she went about this for about five minutes.

00:30:17.120 She had a problem. She was talking about patriotism. Should these people represent

00:30:21.840 China or not? But she forgot to go one step further. 11 Canadians are playing for hockey

00:30:30.720 China at the Olympics. So why don't you make this an informing piece of information on both

00:30:37.360 sides of the border? What they do here in Canada in the media is they always take the

00:30:43.280 bads from the united states and that's what they report they don't report what is the good in the

00:30:48.400 united states or in the rest of the world and we sort of compare ourselves to the bad and the the

00:30:55.920 excruciated peer quality immediately for saying i want to be prime minister in a free country

00:31:04.640 yeah i know i mean the the standards they've set i mean why is it bad for him to say

00:31:08.800 he wants to be in a free country yet that's this bar they have put everything any conservative

00:31:12.640 says is immediately controversial for some reason according to the bulk of our mainstream media or

00:31:17.280 i i was mentioning the other day just a performer adele had the nerve to say she loves being a woman

00:31:22.800 exactly and people went hysterical like back up a couple of steps and look how just insane the

00:31:28.720 world has become when you consider those statements to be controversial we've been trained into a very

00:31:34.560 bad place right now cancel culture has been the biggest weapon used by

00:31:44.800 the left their love speech is only for the left today if anybody says anything outside of their

00:31:52.720 ideology they are supposed to be cancelled look at the way out uh rogan is being is being excruciated

00:32:03.360 as opposed to Whoopi Goldberg. I mean, it's amazing. They want to fire him, but Whoopi Goldberg

00:32:09.680 gets two weeks of suspension. This is what's happening. My article is about the fact that

00:32:16.320 we've got to stand up for our rights, our constitutional rights. We have to look at

00:32:22.560 ourselves in the mirror and say, do we want this? I mean, why do we continually have division in

00:32:29.920 in this country because the liberals have used this tactic

00:32:35.680 to divide us to stay in power.

00:32:38.300 I mean, look at people,

00:32:40.000 why are they so worried about the masks?

00:32:43.200 The mask has been debunked.

00:32:46.020 I mean, JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association

00:32:51.060 has published two papers from John Hopkins.

00:32:55.340 One says that the lockdown didn't prevent anything.

00:32:59.880 virtually nothing in the death of people. Then, yesterday, LinkedIn banned one of their papers

00:33:09.400 that said there is such a thing about natural immunity. So if you don't

00:33:19.640 tell us that we have to believe in science, but science from only one side,

00:33:23.960 It's very difficult for people to make educated, informed decisions if you are getting only

00:33:31.380 one side of the story.

00:33:33.460 And this is where I think the media, the mass media, is beginning to be mistrusted today.

00:33:40.500 We as the public have got to inform ourselves and start standing up and be aware that we

00:33:48.100 are freedoms that are being eroded every single day by the division of identity politics as used

00:33:56.180 by trudeau who cannot have an intelligent conversation and and without bringing in

00:34:09.060 islamophobia transformavia homophobia in everything that disagrees with him he has

00:34:16.980 no argument at all to protect our freedom except for his attack and identity politics

00:34:27.380 absolutely well and before we we wrap there's another subject i'd like to go into because

00:34:31.380 it's an area you've written more on in the past of course with the institute for public sector

00:34:35.140 accountability you've written a lot on um different levels of government uh public you know

00:34:40.260 accountability as the name sounds and it sounds like we're gonna have a standoff between our

00:34:44.420 municipal politicians and our provincial politicians over which mandates are going to be reduced or

00:34:49.780 removed or kept and when uh where should we be going on this whole jurisdictional mess

00:34:56.980 it's very simple it's very simple to me health has always been a provincial jurisdiction

00:35:04.260 it is not for little wannabe dictators to start taking power and this is part of what i'm saying

00:35:10.660 people have got to be informed about jurisdictional areas that municipal and provincial have.

00:35:18.340 I mean, this is why we have this disparity. The Chamber of Commerce of Calgary

00:35:24.420 differs from the Chamber of Commerce in Edmonton. Calgary says,

00:35:31.860 oh, we need to open it up. As a former businessman in the hospitality industry,

00:35:39.140 they have been killed for the past two years. Some of them would never recover. What is the

00:35:45.060 role of the Chamber of Commerce, for goodness sakes, is to product commerce. Commerce is

00:35:50.580 business. You cannot support closing business for two years and continue to demand that it continues

00:35:59.140 after two years. I mean, they keep talking about economics. I mean, come on. Economics is very

00:36:05.780 simple if you cannot operate a business you're going to have to close and this is part of the

00:36:12.260 economics the chamber of commerce should be promoting the reopening under certain conditions

00:36:20.420 so that we can have a normal life again we are going to have to live with covet

00:36:26.740 omicron or whatever it is it is another flu but you know what is really important corey

00:36:33.700 we've been talking about this we want our freedom and everything we want to get back to normal

00:36:40.180 there's one thing that most people most politicians have not discussed openly what is and where was

00:36:49.540 the origin of covet 19 and they are not talking about it and for what reason do they know something

00:36:57.700 that we don't know while they are putting more rules on us to erode our freedoms well i'm not

00:37:05.300 sure about that and there's a lot of there is a lot of discourse on it but the politicians

00:37:08.580 certainly don't want to get into it we've got a whole lot we're going to be studying everything

00:37:13.220 that happened over this pandemic for for decades let's just hope that we get our freedoms to be

00:37:17.380 able to look back and start figuring out what we did wrong which is a heck of a lot and maybe a few

00:37:21.620 things that we did right but we got to keep pushing and pulling and talking about things

00:37:25.700 and keeping that free speech is the most important part and uh that's what you speak up for as well

00:37:30.500 and in your column marcel so i really appreciate that uh i saw a commenter before i let you go was

00:37:36.820 asking you know where can they follow you where can they find out more about what you talk about

00:37:40.100 because you've always got lots to share well i'm going to put a longer version on my blog

00:37:45.540 uh oh by the way there's freedom for you uh i was uh i was suspended from face posting anything

00:37:53.540 on facebook for the past 30 days i shall be back in three days and follow me on my facebook page

00:38:01.460 and i will give you uh the direction to uh institute for public sector accountability

00:38:06.980 and other blogs great yes yeah you're in facebook jail for a bit there okay so you can look up

00:38:11.940 marcel latouche on facebook and he will be there in a few days and again if you google public sector

00:38:17.140 uh is the institute for public sector accountability you can find that and marcel has also written a

00:38:21.860 number of books actually uh which you can take out it's some great stuff on governance and policy so

00:38:27.380 uh the guests are uh yeah they're thanking you for coming on they appreciate it and so do i and

00:38:32.900 i hope we get to talk again soon i just want to finish one thing sure if the public doesn't want

00:38:39.060 to do it for themselves please please please do it for your children because that's our future

00:38:48.180 If our freedoms today is eroded, they will not have the freedoms for their kids in the future.

00:38:55.700 Thank you very much for having me, Corey. And until next time, have a nice day.

00:39:01.380 You bet. Always a good time talking to you, Marcel. Always informative.

00:39:05.940 Bye-bye.

00:39:07.940 So yeah, and just a reminder, if you go to westernstandardonline.com, that's where Marcel's

00:39:12.660 last column is. I'm hoping we'll probably get further ones from him down the road here.

00:39:17.220 My next guest in a little while, I'll have Michelle on.

00:39:19.420 She's done regular columns for us and she's very prevalent throughout social media and other areas too. 0.58

00:39:25.060 So we'll get to that, but we got a bit of some kind of open time going on here before we get there.

00:39:29.860 I should remind everybody though, you know, we are an independent media outlet as Marcel was talking about.

00:39:37.080 The mainstream media, the legacy media, they're sick, they're corrupt, they're slanted and they're tax funded. 0.73

00:39:44.260 That's what does it. You know, when the state has you by the fiscal knackers, you have to dance to 0.96

00:39:50.340 their tune and we don't and we won't. So we don't take any kind of funding or subsidies or anything

00:39:55.680 like that, but we rely on members. So take out a membership, check it out. Go to westernstandardonline.com

00:40:01.060 slash membership for 10 bucks a month. You will find it worthwhile. You get a free trial for a

00:40:05.860 couple of weeks or even 99 bucks for a year. If you commit for a year, of course, you know, bulk

00:40:09.620 savings. And people who try it out for the tweaks, it's just like well over 97% after the tweaks come

00:40:15.860 up and say, yeah, we're going to, I'm going to keep going. I'm going to pay $10 a month. It's

00:40:19.300 basically, it costs you as much as a old newspaper subscription you used to years ago. And those

00:40:23.480 would pile up on your steps. Now you can get that. And as you can see, Dave is just constantly

00:40:29.180 pounding out those stories along with Mel and Amber and Reed and then such a giant growing

00:40:34.140 news core plus columns so help us take out a membership guys if you haven't already and make

00:40:40.240 sure to subscribe to the facebook youtube rumble as somebody else was pointing out i saw one of

00:40:44.860 the commenters because of course we get cancelled everywhere rumble doesn't do that that way when

00:40:49.080 the news breaks when stuff comes up because we got people out there on the ground you'll see that

00:40:52.720 live alert when we have a breaking issue and it's happened we've suddenly hey we got a guy there

00:40:57.300 who's filming and we want to cover it as it breaks so before i get to michelle let's talk about a few

00:41:02.280 other things. We're talking about freedom and that, you know, an upbeat video and an issue

00:41:06.740 that's going to be pressing next week because the students in Alberta are going to be unmasked.

00:41:12.940 They, in school, K to 12, kids won't have to wear masks in class anymore. And a lot of people have

00:41:18.620 been looking forward to that. Some aren't, but let's play this. This is in Nevada. I showed one

00:41:22.460 from Israel the other day. This is some kids in Nevada and how they responded when they found

00:41:26.540 out that they won't have to wear masks in school any longer. Starting tomorrow, we don't have to

00:41:31.580 I don't wear masks anymore!

00:41:49.580 Is anybody excited?

00:41:51.580 it's it's fun watching kids you know nobody can express themselves better than kids they

00:42:01.720 aren't sour faced like myself and things like that they make it pretty clear they're happy to

00:42:06.020 see those rotten masks gone and and they should be i mean you know you can't smile at each other

00:42:13.120 you can't express you can't talk we are stunting the development of our children by masking them

00:42:18.720 like this. I mean, if there was strong, strong evidence that it's protecting them from something,

00:42:22.460 of course, we want to keep them. Whatever you have to do, it's our children. But that evidence

00:42:26.480 is clearly showing, you know, that the risk isn't terribly high. So at least at the point where you

00:42:32.220 have to balance that risk benefit, the masks, you got to come off and they're coming off all over

00:42:36.440 the world. And in Alberta, they're coming off on Monday. And the teachers union in Alberta is

00:42:41.780 having conniptions about that. They are furious. They do not want this to happen. They think it's

00:42:47.140 going to put their teachers at risk. That's what they're saying. If those kids are not wearing a

00:42:50.520 mask, teachers will be put at risk. Where do they get their crap from? But it's a union. You got to 1.00

00:42:55.740 remember, they're there to self-serve. This is the same union that takes care of the disciplinary

00:42:59.960 matters for teachers that have written on repeatedly because they tend to give light

00:43:04.380 sentences to sex offenders among their ranks. And hey, don't get too worked up. I'm not making

00:43:09.560 stuff up. People have watched that. They watched it covered. They are a self-governing group. And

00:43:13.800 if a teacher has been acting inappropriately with children, the disciplinary group that watches that

00:43:18.680 is the teacher's union. And they've been pathetic with it. And I know, I'm not saying that there's 0.98

00:43:24.920 loads of abusive teachers out there. No, no, no, no. The vast majority of teachers still, of course,

00:43:29.640 that's why they got into it. They love the children. They want to do well by them, and they

00:43:32.720 certainly won't abuse them. But there's always, unfortunately, a number of predators out there.

00:43:37.740 And that union, rather than trying to flush them out, runs coverage for them, and it's

00:43:42.400 unforgivable. And whatever their mandate, their motivation to keep everybody masked is,

00:43:47.480 I'm not even sure. But it's ridiculous. If they care for the kids, they should be saying, yes, 0.96

00:43:51.280 let's get rid of those darn masks. Think of masks. I mean, people keep saying, oh, it's just a minor 0.99

00:43:55.140 inconvenience. No, it isn't. It isn't. When I used to own my bar, I had a regular customer,

00:43:59.740 Craig, fantastic guy would come up. He's deaf. He's born deaf. And I don't know sign language,

00:44:05.040 aside from a couple of things and maybe some insults. But he was a fantastic lip reader.

00:44:09.180 So he would do his orders and we would communicate back and forth as he would read my lips.

00:44:13.360 Well, his world's been just exceptionally miserable because of everybody masked in front.

00:44:16.920 You can't read lips if they're masked.

00:44:18.860 You know, you're breathing your own breath.

00:44:20.400 They're uncomfortable.

00:44:21.660 They're not a minor inconvenience.

00:44:23.440 And they're a symbol.

00:44:24.240 They're a symbol of submission.

00:44:26.740 They're a symbol of bondage. 0.99

00:44:28.220 Hey, go to some BDSM site and look at all the subs.

00:44:31.340 One of the first things you'll always see is a mask on their face.

00:44:33.140 Not that I frequent those places or anything, but I've heard that sort of stuff goes on out there.

00:44:36.480 But those masks say a lot.

00:44:39.180 and it's humiliating to be forced to wear a mask

00:44:42.600 and we are being forced to wear masks.

00:44:44.520 So it's not a minor thing to push back on that

00:44:47.440 and say we've had enough of it.

00:44:48.700 People choose to wear a mask, go ahead.

00:44:50.860 Of course, go to town.

00:44:53.020 But enough of having the government,

00:44:54.280 the government forcing you to have a mask on your face

00:44:57.340 and forcing your children to.

00:44:59.280 Now the government has been,

00:45:00.620 I'm gonna move on from that though.

00:45:02.160 I'm seeing progress, like I said,

00:45:03.600 that we're seeing pressure.

00:45:05.360 And with the liberal party, the federal one,

00:45:07.260 talking about stubborn with Trudeau. They've got MPs that are starting to come out against

00:45:12.760 the restrictions, against the mandates. And it's great because that's a party that holds a tight

00:45:18.620 ship. These guys don't typically have anybody leaking out. We conservatives, we do that to

00:45:22.180 ourselves all the time. Oh, a conservative member came out against their leader. Yeah,

00:45:25.140 what is it? Two o'clock? Yeah, okay, three o'clock could be another one. That's what we do. We're

00:45:28.380 just, it's difficult with people who are independent thinkers to try and keep them all in the same

00:45:32.360 room on something. But Joel Lightbound with the Trudeau Liberals, I mean, it was already news.

00:45:38.160 He came out and really was eviscerated Trudeau on that. But Jane brought something to my attention.

00:45:43.600 Yeah, there it is. With a quote from his in another article, not everyone can earn a living

00:45:47.960 on a MacBook in a college. And he never said specifically who was earning a living on a

00:45:53.260 MacBook in a cottage. But I think we can all read between the lines there. But it says a lot. When

00:45:58.460 you've got liberal MPs coming up like that, it means they've got support in caucus because they

00:46:04.240 don't fear being kicked out. I think we're starting to see cracks in that liberal machine,

00:46:10.620 finally. And it's a strong machine. You can't underestimate them. They are political players.

00:46:14.740 They're unprincipled. They're nasty. I do not like them. I will never vote for them. 0.99

00:46:18.040 But you got to respect their political play. They know what they're doing. So when you're seeing

00:46:21.520 those cracks coming from within, though, that could quickly lead to shattering. I got a feeling

00:46:25.160 there's a number of liberals that want to have a different face heading their party going into the

00:46:29.700 next federal election. And they might finally tear that hammerhead of a leader of theirs out of his

00:46:36.560 seat and move on to getting somebody else in there. Unfortunately, they might get somebody

00:46:39.860 who's going to win another election. We'll deal with that when we get to it. But sure, it would

00:46:42.440 be nice to be without Trudeau. And I got a feeling an increasing number of federal liberals are

00:46:46.700 actually saying the same thing. So that's good to hear. Another thing they backed off on, for

00:46:51.840 example, was that data scoop with the Canadian cell phones. You know, millions of people,

00:46:56.200 they were tracking you, they were following you. That's how scary the world's getting.

00:47:00.060 And now at least a commons ethics committee has gotten up and said, no, get that out of here. We

00:47:05.920 do not do that. It's disturbing that they even tried. And the commons committee was told by the

00:47:13.440 Ontario Privacy Commissioner that she was staggered by this. Staggered. And it's true. I mean, wow,

00:47:20.160 where does this government think it is? Who do they think they are when they feel that they can

00:47:26.240 track where the citizens are all the time without their permission? Yeah, this is an empowered

00:47:30.000 government. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about symbols of dominance. That's

00:47:32.720 what Marcel was talking about. You know, this motivation to keep us asking permission for

00:47:37.380 rights. Look, the government should be begging us to set them aside temporarily at any point.

00:47:41.820 The default should be freedom. Default. They should be making a very hard case before infringing on

00:47:48.720 any freedom, even a tiny little

00:47:50.800 bit. And the second

00:47:52.620 it doesn't seem justified, that freedom should be

00:47:54.800 given back. But it's gone the

00:47:56.780 other way around. They've taken it without

00:47:58.680 asking. We've unfortunately

00:48:00.940 initially gave it up. That's why everybody's fighting

00:48:02.760 to get them back now.

00:48:04.820 And it's

00:48:06.940 humiliating to have to beg these

00:48:08.680 political masters to do something as simple 0.99

00:48:10.620 as going to a business without a friggin' mask on. 0.98

00:48:13.580 You know, we are 0.97

00:48:14.820 in a backwards, bad place. But

00:48:16.740 citizens are starting to push back and it's good. We can get there. All right. I'm going to go on

00:48:24.480 more about our wretched mainstream media. Cause my next guest, uh, took, held some of them to

00:48:28.880 account there. And that's Michelle Sterling. She's with the friends of science and she writes

00:48:33.060 columns for us now. And then, um, you know, just speaking for herself, I believe this wasn't a

00:48:36.980 friends of science column so much. And, uh, it was on a, you know, as a sensitive subject and

00:48:41.960 that's that's the grave sites found or you know potentially found around residential school sites

00:48:47.700 and some of the coverage of it and some of the reasoning behind you know why there were so many

00:48:51.220 people buried around those schools because there was a 60 minutes piece done on it that really

00:48:55.400 kind of left out a lot of big factors that were involved in that period of time when there were

00:48:59.840 residential schools that that would have killed children and it should be covered why why do you

00:49:03.940 omit these things when you have major coverage of things I mean 60 minutes used to be a fantastic

00:49:08.320 investigative program. It really was. I mean, the old 60 Minutes, I dating myself, you know,

00:49:12.960 but from the 70s and 80s and that, I mean, it was a must watch. And it's just turned into more

00:49:17.300 woke pap, unfortunately. So let's bring Michelle in and talk about her column and what she was

00:49:22.260 writing on with that. Hey, Michelle, how you doing? Good. Thanks, Corey. Thanks for having

00:49:27.200 me on the show. Oh, it's always a pleasure. I'm glad to have you back. So your column, like I said,

00:49:32.460 it's such a sensitive area, but people can't be afraid to talk about it because it is a big one

00:49:36.800 a lot of canadians are concerned about and we're still gaining evidence about what happened there

00:49:41.040 and uh i guess there wasn't exactly misinformation from 60 minutes but it was kind of misinformation

00:49:45.840 through omission yes a glaring omission so 60 minutes and anderson cooper recently did a piece

00:49:53.600 on the residential schools and the unmarked graves and um as you say it is a sensitive issue and it

00:50:00.800 It is very tragic for many people, very painful, but it should be noted that during the time

00:50:07.280 period of the residential schools, tuberculosis was the biggest killer of everyone in society 0.95

00:50:14.380 and more so in these schools, partly because many of the children who came there probably

00:50:19.740 had latent TB, which manifests itself in small children when they are undernourished

00:50:26.100 and under stress and all those things would have been true when anyone who goes to a boarding

00:50:31.640 school feels that separation of family and culture, the strangeness of things.

00:50:37.540 And so the TB was prolific at the time and much higher numbers of people died of TB in

00:50:44.120 Aboriginal communities on reserve and also in residential schools than the numbers proportionately

00:50:54.340 maine society even though it was also one of the greatest killers in maine society as well and 0.99

00:51:01.540 you know it just seems odd that 60 minutes wouldn't even have mentioned that i mean that's a

00:51:07.460 huge factor so well yeah and i mean just trying to explore the rationale as to why so many children

00:51:12.980 were buried there you know as it appears i mean i think most people agree it was a horrible

00:51:17.780 misguided policy we can't imagine i mean having somebody come along by force essentially and

00:51:21.700 taking your children away to a distant school it was a terrible policy and it was an awful mistake

00:51:26.500 and the fact that they didn't show the respect at least of perhaps returning the bodies to those

00:51:29.940 families when those children died in those schools there's a lot to unpack there but people talk as

00:51:35.780 if there had been a mass murder or something or that there'd been abuse that had killed those

00:51:39.620 children and we do have to look at the real killers of children in those days and it impacted

00:51:44.660 residential schools like anywhere else well i would say that there is a counter narrative i

00:51:50.180 recommend that people look at some of the research by Robert Carney. He was a professor of history at

00:51:56.100 the U of A. He was also a Catholic school administrator of residential schools and his

00:52:02.100 son Mark Carney is of course the climate czar but Robert Carney wrote many academic papers

00:52:08.660 on the residential school system and you have to remember in that time there were hardly any

00:52:13.220 qualified teachers. In the early days there were no public school systems, there were no public

00:52:18.580 health systems and in one of his articles that i was just reviewing this morning he talks about how

00:52:23.860 many times the residential schools served as the only local medical facility and they also served

00:52:31.620 many people whose children who were orphaned children who there were no social welfare systems

00:52:37.780 then you know so they were the the the net that captured disabled children people with

00:52:45.940 with chronic conditions, even sometimes the homeless or strangers would be given sustenance

00:52:54.840 at these schools.

00:52:56.440 And obviously, you know, people died in those days, they died in great number, because there

00:53:02.040 were very limited medical facilities.

00:53:05.240 And when someone died, you buried them right away.

00:53:08.160 Because first of all, to ship a body somewhere, you had to have a coroner's certificate.

00:53:12.620 if a person died of contagious diseases, and I believe that's even true today, it's illegal

00:53:19.480 to ship them over a border. So, you know, you'd have to have a sealed casket. The coroners were

00:53:25.960 not in the area necessarily. Of course, you know, these schools were in varying places. Some were

00:53:31.840 really in remote locations and some were near cities. But it's also on the historic record that

00:53:39.340 most people were buried with a marker of some kind, a small wooden cross or a little wooden

00:53:45.100 headboard. But, you know, over 100 years, that would disintegrate. So it's not that the people

00:53:51.440 were buried with disrespect. I believe from the historic record, they were buried with respect,

00:53:56.700 but those graves were not kept up. And, you know, really people have, there's a documentary called

00:54:04.360 The Forgotten Plague, which was done by PBS, I believe. And it gives a real good perspective of

00:54:12.440 that time. And I've written an article that's on Medium about this topic, quite a lengthy article,

00:54:19.020 but in it I also quote a number of references of academic papers where people were sent to

00:54:25.880 tuberculosis sanatoria, and many Aboriginal children did go there on the assistance of

00:54:32.820 government to get well but the same kind of problems happen from going to a sanatorium as

00:54:39.220 would happen going to a boarding school in the sanatorium sometimes people were there for like

00:54:45.060 seven years and they were not able to see their family at all they were very well fed because

00:54:50.340 that was the method of getting people well but in one case one boy came home and his family didn't

00:54:56.980 know who he was he had two or three younger sisters and brothers already they'd never heard

00:55:01.460 of him he looked funny because he was fat he hadn't been out you know running around in in

00:55:07.220 the countryside so he was very pale skinned and um you know had no connection but this same kind

00:55:14.180 of problem happened also in ireland happened also in the united states and likewise these children

00:55:22.180 in other places also were abused because it does happen in um you know in a residential facility

00:55:28.580 if there's no one there to protect you and there's some creep on the staff then you know young

00:55:33.700 children would be subject to abuse so i'm not trying to take away from the tragedy of death

00:55:39.460 i'm not trying to take away the loss of of connection with an unmarked grave and i'm not

00:55:45.140 trying to take away the reality that many children suffered terribly uh some i would say criminally

00:55:51.460 but there are also other sides of the story where there were no other options at the time

00:55:57.300 and I think that we have to see the broader picture of the time in the

00:56:02.020 historic context and 60 Minutes did a terrible disservice to the public by

00:56:07.500 leaving out the fact of tuberculosis and not to mention in the US they were

00:56:13.680 running Indian Wars and actively killing and oppressing people from 1622 to 1924

00:56:20.280 so pretty rich of 60 Minutes to stomp all over Canada yes absolutely and it's

00:56:26.800 just it there's more nuance to that whole issue I mean I think again just a lot of the the visuals

00:56:32.920 we took you know when you see so many graves and you think of children and we do care I mean we're

00:56:36.820 horrified but we do want to examine it and we have to examine it with a bit of a you know set aside

00:56:42.220 emotion for a minute and look at the motivations at the time and yeah as you said you know predators

00:56:47.980 unfortunately with children I'm sure always throughout history they've always snuck in to

00:56:52.760 try and get around them that that's what they've done that's why they tend to when we find them

00:56:56.700 even today, it's they've surfaced around kids' camps or areas where they can get access. And

00:57:01.200 unfortunately, they were drawn to those residential schools. But I imagine a lot of the people

00:57:05.860 managing those schools were trying to make do with what they had to do benefit for those children,

00:57:10.800 at least felt they were going to. As you said, if you had a reserve community that had a tuberculosis

00:57:15.920 outbreak, you didn't have many means to treat the people and children in that community and you

00:57:21.140 would bring them to an isolated center for treatment. And that's in fact why the government

00:57:26.420 of the day chose these schools to run or these religious orders to run these schools because in

00:57:33.720 most cases they already had people on the ground. In some cases there's a paper by Zilman Warbenek

00:57:40.300 about BC and the early nursing of TB there. You know there was TB quite rampant throughout BC

00:57:46.900 because of the gold rush and so these you know many times Catholic orders, religious orders 0.68

00:57:55.120 had set out little outposts and so they were already there on the ground so it was logical

00:58:00.160 that okay they know people in the area they have a physical location let's get them to set up the

00:58:06.400 school and run it from that location so um you know it was a natural kind of progression and

00:58:12.320 it's true that you know the the means offered to these schools to feed and clothe and and care for

00:58:19.120 for the children, they were very limited and parsimonious.

00:58:22.780 But, you know, Canada was very poor at that time,

00:58:27.840 and everyone was poor.

00:58:29.660 Like, it was, you know, this is a time when,

00:58:32.920 you know, especially in the early days,

00:58:34.220 you have to remember that children as young as four

00:58:36.880 were being sent to work in coal mines.

00:58:40.560 Children as young as three were used

00:58:42.540 as chimney sweeps in London.

00:58:45.380 So, you know, little children were not seen as the jewels

00:58:49.980 that we see them as today.

00:58:51.560 They were seen as small men, you know,

00:58:54.940 who should be treated more or less as an adult

00:58:58.280 and not treated with the kindness

00:59:02.460 and understanding that we offer today.

00:59:04.740 So the historical context is so important to this story.

00:59:09.880 And it's too bad 60 Minutes had a great opportunity

00:59:13.020 to set some of that context and they did a big fail.

00:59:17.340 Yeah, well, there's a couple of things you brought up.

00:59:21.000 Tuberculosis, Spanish flu also swept across,

00:59:23.420 of course, the prairies and it decimated families all over.

00:59:26.400 And I've mentioned it on the show a couple of times before,

00:59:28.960 Jane and I had our wedding pictures taken in a cemetery.

00:59:31.120 I really enjoy cemeteries.

00:59:32.420 They're peaceful places of memorials.

00:59:34.440 And when I worked in the Eastern States, actually,

00:59:36.640 you know, when I was surveying and I would find them

00:59:38.360 and they were fascinating, but you would see,

00:59:41.720 particularly during the period of the Spanish flu family plots.

00:59:44.160 You'd find little ones in the woods with only a, you know, 50 or 60 graves,

00:59:47.120 but they had stone at least so you could read them and you would see entire

00:59:51.400 families wiped out in the course of a year. It was horrible.

00:59:54.120 And this wasn't residential schools. This wasn't natives. 1.00

00:59:56.360 This was just that there was a disease in a,

00:59:58.080 in a period of time when we didn't have good medical facilities and you had to

01:00:01.560 bury them where you were. That's why they were those small cemeteries,

01:00:03.800 not a big centralized one.

01:00:05.880 That's right.

01:00:06.400 And there was a lot of decimation in residential schools during the Spanish flu

01:00:10.840 period as well and in some cases there are mass graves because you know if you

01:00:15.500 had five or six people die in short order and Spanish flu generally took

01:00:19.840 adults and not children so the there would be fewer people to dig those

01:00:26.080 graves so whoever there was to dig the grave you know you had to dig it and

01:00:30.460 bury the people as soon as possible because it was a very contagious

01:00:33.840 condition but you know there's lots of records of men coming east on the

01:00:39.820 harvest trains during the Spanish flu period, where there'd be nine men in bunks on one of the

01:00:45.760 trains coming west, they all died. People who would be going to some remote location in Saskatchewan

01:00:55.420 to a hardware shop walk in and find both the proprietor and his wife dead on the floor from

01:01:05.220 Spanish flu. So, you know, it was a horrible time and one that, that nothing could have been done to

01:01:11.860 present, present, prevent those deaths. Um, and those who survived, uh, you know, did live through

01:01:19.900 a horror, did live through a horrible time and undoubtedly that's marked them forever.

01:01:24.700 Yeah. And I mean, I don't think anybody really wants to understate what happened. Then we just

01:01:28.420 want to get to the bottom of something that was so tragic on a lot of ways, but we can't do it if

01:01:33.140 We're not going to examine every fact and every factor and anything that contributed.

01:01:36.740 Cheryl Dawn, a commenter, said there was also a massive fire at a Kelowna school.

01:01:40.340 And, yeah, these schools, unfortunately, were often, again, we come to that underfunding.

01:01:44.360 They were rickety.

01:01:45.080 They were fire traps.

01:01:46.680 And, you know, some disasters could happen.

01:01:48.820 And that would lead, unfortunately, to some quick number of deaths for people.

01:01:53.220 And that brings about a potential mass grave.

01:01:57.120 We don't want to understate things.

01:01:58.580 We just want to see the facts.

01:01:59.700 And as you said, with such a big production, something that's so heavily watched, just 60

01:02:03.380 minutes, it was just tragic that they refused to talk about some of the contributing factors as

01:02:08.980 to why those children died. Yeah. And, you know, again, the historical context is very interesting.

01:02:15.220 And I really, I recommend people look up Robert Carney and read some of his papers. They're very

01:02:21.940 well researched, very detailed. And he sets that context and he goes way back to the 1600s,

01:02:28.100 We know back in in Quebec where there were early residential schools or day schools where the

01:02:34.500 Jesuits were working with Aboriginal youths and often at the request of the parents of these kids

01:02:42.180 because you know even if you look at the words of Chief Crowchild in Calgary on the signing of the

01:02:49.220 Treaty 7 you know he said the RCMP came and protected us like a bird protects its nest with

01:02:56.580 its wings and stop the whiskey traders from coming in because they were decimating our people

01:03:04.260 and really there were many good things about the RCMP coming west and they are

01:03:13.780 regularly denigrated with respect to them taking people away from their parents in terms of the

01:03:19.940 residential schools but if you look today at the COVID crisis look how polarizing COVID has been

01:03:26.020 in society and look at the fact that in some cases, some authorities are planning to take

01:03:31.460 children away from their parents if they're not vaccinated or not willing to vaccinate their kids.

01:03:37.460 So, you know, we see that these authoritarian kind of moves are being made in contemporary society.

01:03:44.980 Now, perhaps we can also understand that maybe that was a factor happening back then too.

01:03:50.660 It's a very valid point that it can apply, you know, back then to today. And we just have to

01:03:55.860 examine and look at things you know as much as we can and i mean closure you know the more information

01:04:00.180 we can find out the better the chance for closure for the families and for their generations who

01:04:04.020 were you know impacted by those those institutions at that time so i appreciate the the frank talk

01:04:10.420 about it yeah i just wanted to mention one other thing as well you know i have found historical

01:04:15.940 documents indicating that in that time of rampant tb uh in mainstream society people often would

01:04:23.780 bury family members without a gravestone or marker because it was thought that tb was hereditary

01:04:31.300 and so they didn't want to be uh ostracized from society and uh you know again that there's an

01:04:38.420 echo there today of what's going on in society where people you know are divided by their

01:04:44.820 vaccination status and uh you know it's caused huge huge rifts in society so maybe we can

01:04:51.380 incorporate a bit of that thinking into our understanding of history. 0.98

01:04:55.300 Absolutely. I mean, look at what was done to lepers, but we could do a whole separate show 1.00

01:04:58.900 on that altogether. Where can we find more information on what you're doing, Michelle?

01:05:02.580 I mean, we get your columns here at the Western Standard, but I know you're active

01:05:06.260 in many other places before going. I have a little blog, michellesterling.com,

01:05:11.380 and I also have a number of articles on Medium, on the sort of mainstream blog called Medium.

01:05:17.300 so um uh you can have a look there great well thank you very much for joining me today michelle

01:05:24.220 i always like chatting with you and uh i appreciate you again having you know it takes

01:05:28.300 some courage to dig into the the unpopular views but the important ones so uh i appreciate it and

01:05:34.140 hope we talk again soon okay thanks a lot corey great thanks michelle so just again that was

01:05:39.520 michelle sterling and yes she's involved with uh well she's just a very active person does a lot

01:05:44.100 of writing and investigating. So check her out. If you search Michelle Sterling, you'll find that

01:05:48.660 blog and the Medium site and all of that. Dave has been in the lobby. It sounds like something

01:05:53.000 is breaking. Hey there, Dave, what's going on out there? Corey, we have breaking news on two fronts.

01:06:00.540 Prime Minister Trudeau is holding a press conference as we speak about the truckers.

01:06:05.980 He revealed that he's been on the phone today with US President Joe Biden. They were discussing

01:06:13.040 the global influencers and the U.S. citizens that are taking part in the blockades.

01:06:20.780 They both agreed that it has to end.

01:06:23.080 Trudeau pointed out that he doesn't control the RCMP, but he certainly left every impression

01:06:28.440 that the RCMP are very imminently going to move in and break up these protests.

01:06:35.000 He's urging people with children in the protest to go home.

01:06:39.380 And basically, the situation seems to be coming to a head very quickly, Corey.

01:06:46.140 Also, the United States defense officials are saying that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine will happen next week.

01:06:54.480 They need to get in there before the spring thaw and the ground needs to be frozen for their artillery and their tanks.

01:07:02.680 So they expect it to begin early next week with heavy bombardment and loads of casualties.

01:07:09.380 Prime Minister Trudeau commented on it at the press conference saying in the economic sanctions if they do go in will be severe and now we're United States citizens have been told to get out within the next 24 to 48 hours the British the Koreans and the Japanese also warning their citizens to get out before the Russians move in so it looks like we're going to have a very unfolding tragedy happening in the Ukraine next week.

01:07:39.380 week. Well, that's some scary stuff. You know, our columnist, Dave Makachuk, who writes on

01:07:44.320 international issues, and he talked about that. We figured the time would come. I mean, it was

01:07:47.640 clear they're getting ready to go, but it shows how fickle and weird our world is. You're figuring

01:07:53.200 we're going to wait until the end of the Olympics to do it first, so they wouldn't hinder their

01:07:56.300 friends in China. But boy, that's huge. I mean, you know, the world can be tumbled into a war.

01:08:02.340 We just don't need that right now. Yeah, our reporter Eva is putting together a story.

01:08:07.720 she's also talking to people who just returned from the Ukraine less than two days ago and she'll

01:08:14.560 have an interview with them about the the mood that the country's in but it's it's not going to

01:08:21.680 be good Corey okay well thanks for bringing us up to date on that Dave and I'll let you get back to

01:08:27.460 the Trudeau conference my condolences and having to listen to that and somebody's got to do it

01:08:32.080 somebody's got to keep the stories stories are going all right thanks Dave so there we go and

01:08:37.600 yeah we are live show these things break as we go I think a lot of us have kind of felt the

01:08:42.240 rumblings of both of those coming up we could tell whether it's from Doug Ford or even some

01:08:46.580 of the rumblings from Kenny from Trudeau they are all getting at the point where they're going to

01:08:50.000 start coming in by force and uh trying to tear down these protests and this weekend I fear is

01:08:55.720 going to be a very tumultuous one I guess to say the least I just hope nobody gets hurt I I don't

01:09:01.740 know if it's avoidable or not. I'm very concerned. And yeah, the Russian thing, you know, sliding

01:09:06.140 back there in the radar. And you know, when I was talking to Makachev about that, it's a nuanced

01:09:11.600 thing. Like Eastern Russia, there are a lot, or Eastern Ukraine, I should say, there's a lot of

01:09:16.560 citizens who identify more strongly with being Russian than Ukrainian. And the Russians, of

01:09:22.680 course, and Putin have been kind of helping them and inflaming them to more of a civil war sort of 0.60

01:09:27.500 thing. Meanwhile, of course, Western Europe, Ukrainians have absolutely no desire to be part 0.87

01:09:33.100 of Russia again. Russia under Stalin, you know, horrifically abused Ukraine, starved them. You

01:09:39.220 know, it was one of the worst acts of purposeful genocide in history. You know, the communists 0.73

01:09:46.960 don't get nearly as much credit for the horrific acts against humanity that they did. And the

01:09:52.340 Ukrainians suffered massively under it. I mean, we all rightly condemn that vile piece of human 1.00

01:09:58.160 excrement, Hitler, who walked the land and murdered millions of Jews and other people in 0.99

01:10:03.700 concentration camps throughout the Eastern Europe. But Russia was a little better. And now these guys, 0.98

01:10:09.460 it's not the communist regime of them, but it's Russia again. And it looks like they're going to 0.63

01:10:13.340 go into Ukraine. This isn't something to be dismissed. And then, you know, Dave and I talked

01:10:18.420 about that. When an expansionist country starts doing things like that, they don't stop. You know,

01:10:25.660 Putin's not just going to take out a bite of Ukraine and say, okay, yeah, we're satisfied now

01:10:30.200 we'll stop. They're not going to stop. They want the big Russian empire again. They're going to

01:10:35.000 start with Eastern Europe. They're going to want Bulgaria back. They're going to want Poland back. 1.00

01:10:41.120 They're going to want Hungary back, Yugoslavia, you know, the Czech Republic. It's, they're not 0.88

01:10:47.420 going to stop, guys. This is a rogue expansionist regime. There is no good reason, acceptable reason

01:10:55.740 for Russia to cross that border and force themselves into that country. And yet that 0.93

01:11:01.060 looks like that's what they're going to do. This is very, very serious. And the world is not in a

01:11:05.420 place to counter it. Biden said there was 8,000 troops on alert and they're sending some more

01:11:11.760 out there. Canada might send a handful of, perhaps if we can, I know we were offering

01:11:17.300 loans to the Ukrainian. We don't have much of a military to speak of anymore in Canada. We have

01:11:21.740 to admit that. And Russia has a hundred thousand troops on the border of Ukraine. There's not

01:11:29.160 going to be any stopping them when they choose to go in. The bigger issue I think is going to be,

01:11:35.640 how do you contain them after that? As I said, they don't stop. And if you look into military

01:11:40.300 things. Moving that many troops is not easy. It's a logistic, massive endeavor to do and expensive

01:11:46.900 and to occupy and then just sit there with that invasionary force. Again, they're not just going

01:11:52.420 to sit there. You've expended, you've committed. And that's where I see they're going to expand

01:11:57.380 further in the world. You know, man, as if we haven't dealt with enough with a pandemic

01:12:01.160 and all this other crap. And we suddenly are looking at war breaking out in Europe, 0.88

01:12:05.840 you know, just what we need, right?

01:12:09.260 Well, we'll be watching that closely

01:12:10.700 and we'll certainly be reporting on it

01:12:13.980 as things break, you know,

01:12:15.920 whether it's the international

01:12:16.740 or the domestic stuff with Trudeau

01:12:18.240 or anything else.

01:12:19.560 What a crazy world we have on the go today.

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LIVE： Triggered with Cory Morgan - Convoy protest pressure cooker.

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