00:05:33.180when I was doing property rights advocacy back in the 90s, he started up a group called the
00:05:38.380Lenark Landowners Association. So he has been a property rights advocate for his entire career,
00:05:44.140of course, got elected to the Ontario legislature, and has been stirring up a little bit of trouble
00:05:49.180ever since. Glad to hear it. But Randy, why don't we begin, and perhaps you can tell us,
00:05:53.900first of all, why it is you decided to start the Liberty Caucus.
00:05:57.660well it's a pleasure to join you danielle on the western standard and uh we do have a little bit
00:06:04.780of history we've uh but i've always enjoyed your thoughtful conversations and discussions um so
00:06:11.740listen we started the uh the end the lockdown caucus uh just over a month ago i called up
00:06:19.980Maxine Bernier and Derek Sloan and a few other individuals and five of us decided
00:06:28.300that we should join up in a non-partisan non-affiliated way on a neutral hosted with
00:06:36.220a neutral platform called the Liberty Coalition Canada and you know it was very evident to
00:06:43.580myself danielle and i'm sure to you and others that all political parties and all political
00:06:49.980leaders during covid have actually betrayed their the public and they've and they've surrendered
00:06:57.740their elected offices to public health bureaucrats and other so-called experts they've they really
00:07:05.820have abdicated their responsibilities altogether. And I know that there was a number of elected
00:07:15.900representatives at all levels, local, municipal, provincial, and federal that
00:07:22.380have different views, but they were constrained and precluded from having an opportunity to speak.
00:07:29.820So that's where the end of the lockdown caucus is a forum. It brings together those elected
00:07:37.980representatives who aren't timid and who aren't cowardly and who want to discharge the duties of
00:07:45.580their office properly. I would say that what we have is a group of statesmen rather than just
00:07:51.980pawns who have come together in the end of lockdown caucus and we understand that we
00:08:00.140somebody must defend freedom somebody must defend the rule of law somebody must defend
00:08:07.420our democracy and justice and um and if not us then who and really that
00:08:15.180So that was the end of the lockdown. We started with five. We're up over 60. I would like to say, to agree with you that it should be 10 times that number.
00:08:30.800We also understand there's a great deal of suppression, a great deal of discipline, a great deal of public shaming for those people who stand up and are counted and who dissent with the lockdown.
00:08:47.940So I'm confident that this will continue to grow.
00:08:52.920People will see that the facts and the evidence that we bring forward will demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that the lockdowns cause more harm than good, significantly more harm than good.
00:09:06.540And I think also, I should just say for the people out west, Ontario is in a very confused state with our lockdowns.
00:09:17.240Here in Ontario, although we have about the same mortality as we have had every year with seasonal respiratory viruses, which is similar across the country, and we have fewer people in hospital than we usually do, and that's mostly because we're not providing the proper medical attention to people and people are too fearful to go to hospitals.
00:09:42.360But we have 36 different public health units in Ontario.
00:09:48.640Each of them can have up to five different color-coded restrictions from yellow, green, orange, red, and gray is the progression of greater restrictions.
00:10:01.960But none of those color-coded frameworks are what we would call normal.
00:10:07.820All of them have greater restrictions or some level of restrictions more than normal.
00:10:13.800But to further complicate things, every health unit is permitted to put in additional specific or unique restrictions in each of the health unit areas.
00:10:27.900So it's very difficult to describe what the restrictions are in Ontario.
00:10:34.980No kidding. Randy, let me just pause you for a second because someone thinks it's my mic that's giving you some feedback, but it might either be Drew or Maxime's. If you guys can just go on mute while we're hearing Randy because he's got a speakerphone and I think it's disrupting some of his coverage.
00:10:49.400Although someone else tells me here that I guess in rural Ontario, internet is horrible.
00:10:53.900So that might be part of the issue that we're facing.
00:16:03.560And our role at the end is to change the public opinion, because we know that politicians are governing by polling, by survey, by focus group.
00:16:14.480And they scared a lot of people in the beginning of that crisis.
00:16:18.120and now you know people are still supporting these governments who are who are imposing to us
00:16:25.960lockdowns and and violating our freedom so we need to be out there to explain that and at the end
00:16:33.960uh you know there's another way to fight that virus that uh lockdowns and curfew and
00:16:40.440ending our freedom and so that's why for me it was so important to be part of these uh
00:16:46.760liberty of that liberty caucus i've got i'm monitoring the comments here someone says quebec
00:16:51.640has a freaking curfew so explain a little bit about how that works because you got caught up
00:16:56.200in the curfew yourself right yes so i'll give you an example my own example i was actually when i
00:17:02.760we had that meeting in toronto with randy and direct in order to create the end the lockdowns
00:17:08.920caucus i was there i took a flight and i was flying back to montreal at eight o'clock from
00:17:15.240toronto arrived around 9 30 in montreal at the montreal trudeau airport and so i took my car
00:17:22.120to drive to my home it was about 10 o'clock at night and i've been arrested and a policeman came
00:17:28.680to me and said what are you doing you don't have the right to be on the road it's 10 o'clock at
00:17:33.400night so i had to show him my my boarding pass and telling him that i was coming from the airport
00:17:40.920and I was in Toronto today and showing my boarding pass and he said where are you living and I have
00:17:48.440to show him my license and he said okay I will follow you up to your home until you you get to
00:17:55.000your home and I want to be sure that you're going there so you know I was amazed about that but
00:18:01.560that's the reality in Quebec right now. Talk to me a little bit more about the kind of restrictions
00:18:06.520that you have because we get bits and pieces here about the different zones that you're in and so i
00:18:12.760can always i know it can be a bit confusing i'm assuming montreal is probably the most restriction
00:18:17.000so what is life like there yeah in montreal first of all you can go in a restaurant you have to
00:18:23.480take out and so the rest are closed for a long time now you cannot go at a gym the gym are supposed
00:18:30.680to be open this friday but with a lot of restrictions and you have to reserve you can
00:18:36.840and so it would be uh it would be very difficult for the uh owner of the gyms to be uh to be
00:18:42.600profitable at the end uh you cannot go to uh to the cinema you cannot go to the theater you cannot
00:18:48.840you know it's if you're living in montreal right now it's it's not much all that you're supposed
00:18:54.680to know you know with the vibrant life and nightlife and there's nothing and it's a little
00:18:59.400bit depressing so they're supposed to reopen a little bit but i'm skeptical about that and we'll
00:19:07.000see but up to now you know i was running this afternoon outside in montreal and i saw people
00:19:12.760that were working their dog with a mask outside it's sad you know people are scared because of
00:19:19.960the propaganda coming from the government and you we don't have the the opposite point of view it's
00:19:25.880very difficult for us Randy myself to be in the mainstream media and but there's a lot of medical
00:19:32.520experts that are challenging what these governments are doing to our freedom but it's difficult to
00:19:40.920be in the mainstream media and there's only one point of view so it's not Montreal right now
00:19:47.720you know if you want to come and visit Montreal that's not the time thanks for the warning I was
00:19:52.520thinking about it i think i might want to learn french but maybe now is not the time to go and
00:19:56.760have the immersion experience i'll wait for another day another time let's uh let's bring
00:20:01.640it over to alberta because i think i'm experiencing much of of what maxime bernier and and also randy
00:20:08.760hillier talked about is there doesn't seem to be the full robust cross the spectrum discussion
00:20:14.440about whether these measures are appropriate whether they work um i know that we've got more
00:20:18.920a few more political voices so we've got a voice in opposition as well as a voice in government
00:20:23.320who have both spoken up let's uh let's start with paul hinman first and same question to you paul
00:20:27.720why did you join the liberty caucus oh we got you on mute there paul if you want to unmute sorry
00:20:35.960about that the most important thing that we have as citizens is our freedom and countries are
00:20:42.200brought together and constitutions are, you know, written in a way to protect the life,
00:20:48.740the freedoms, the property and the pursuit of happiness of individuals.
00:20:52.620And we've got a premier who continually stands up.
00:20:55.020And what he's busy protecting is the integrity of a faulty health care system.
00:20:59.760And he puts all Albertans, you know, to the back burner and say, well, we've got to protect
00:21:04.300this health care system when he's done nothing, even in this last year, to create a more robust
00:21:11.480and this is just the right thing to do and anytime that freedoms are being lost if we don't step
00:21:16.820forward and protect those freedoms uh other people's freedoms it's ours it's going to be
00:21:21.880impacted eventually and and freedom it's just i'm sorry danielle but this is what we have to fight
00:21:28.180for and you look at world war one and world war two and the you know the fight that we've had in
00:21:32.980asia and stuff it's always about freedom and tyrants and those individuals totalitarians
00:21:39.080the authoritarians, they want to strip it away from us. And again, we have a government that
00:21:43.760seems to think that they have a better idea on how to look after our health, our wellness,
00:21:49.040our safety. And again, it's not about allowing people to get the information and make the
00:21:55.040personal risk. This is a tyrannical government that is literally stripping away our freedoms
00:21:59.960and telling us that we don't know how to assess our risk or how to carry on our lives.
00:22:04.720And I've met too many business people, whether they're restaurant owners, whether they're
00:22:08.260hairdressers uh the the gym owners they've been their business and their life has been destroyed
00:22:14.140and then the number of you know family domestic violence and and just the problems there's no
00:22:21.040question it's been over and over the the the lockdowns are causing more harm than the virus
00:22:27.020and and it's just wrong and i'm so grateful for randy uh for starting this up if i if i hadn't
00:22:32.440been exposed to politicians and that lifestyle i would have had hurt feelings he didn't call me
00:22:37.120that first five. Thanks for that Paul. Talk to me a little bit more though because we often hear
00:22:44.580the premier say and I can quote his lines he says oh no we are balancing lives and livelihoods and
00:22:50.860we have some of the least amount of restrictions of any jurisdiction in Canada and we've had more
00:22:57.860businesses that have been able to seamlessly operate since the beginning of this than anywhere
00:23:02.080else in canada you're seeing a little bit differently why is that if we do i saw that
00:23:06.880we've got someone from peterborough and we've got others watching from the rest of the country
00:23:10.640put put your perspective on what the premier says why why do you think he's not telling the whole
00:23:16.640story well i got to start off with what i find most disgusting and wrong with that is when he
00:23:22.480starts to talk about balance every day and it's not that these aren't insignificant we hear about
00:23:28.160the impact of covid but he doesn't talk about suicides he doesn't talk about domestic violence
00:23:33.040he doesn't talk about bankruptcies none of those things count it's only the fear-mongering that
00:23:37.920covid is causing all the grief and all the pain in the world he's not balancing anything but what
00:23:43.360he's trying to do is is to bump his numbers up for a higher approval rating he's looked at other
00:23:49.600provinces and they cut they they they've clamped down and approval ratings gone up and so to me
00:23:55.200me, he's made a purely political decision. Oh, what have I got to do? Everybody else is having
00:23:59.720higher approval ratings. I'm going to clamp down. I mean, how many days after we promised and
00:24:05.100apologized for shutting down and picking and choosing businesses that are essential and those
00:24:10.200that aren't? I'm sorry, but you talk, every business is essential to that person who owns it.
00:24:15.060You can't balance that. The worst thing that I ran into, Danielle, is I met a young mother who
00:24:20.960lost her 16 year old son uh a year well last september because he was so discouraged and
00:24:27.040decimated that he couldn't go back to school and when we're doing the most harm and the most damage
00:24:31.840is with our children what we've done to them is it's worse than telling them that the monster
00:24:36.960lives in the closet is going to come out and get you at night that this fear-mongering that we've
00:24:41.200instilled on our children it is just it's so so insidious and wrong it's upsetting okay let me
00:24:48.640then go to Drew Barnes. I know it might be a little bit difficult to hear that kind of criticism of
00:24:53.180your government and your leader, but I must tell you that we have seen, I'm not sure whose background
00:25:00.060noise I'm hearing right now. I don't think it's mine, but Paul, if you can go on mute, that'd be
00:25:04.540great. So, Drew, I guess here's the question. We were supposed to move to step three in Alberta.
00:25:11.800Now, Alberta's taken a different approach for those of you outside of Alberta, where we ostensibly
00:25:16.460had some data that we had to reach certain targets, and then we would see an easing of
00:25:21.960restrictions. The first target was 600 in hospital. We could move to step one. We did.
00:25:27.920Second target was 450 people in hospital. We moved to step two. It was a delay, but we did.
00:25:34.460Step three was supposed to be 300 in hospital. Now, I didn't see the update today, but I thought
00:25:38.260the latest numbers were 280 in hospital. But because there's been a slight reversal, and we're
00:25:43.420hearing more about variants. I guess there's a mutant double variant in India that we're told
00:25:47.520we have to be fearful of now. That is being used as a justification not to move to step three. So
00:25:53.520we're still in a situation where restaurants are open, but only family groups are allowed to sit
00:25:59.660at a table, maximum of six people at the table. Retail is only allowed to operate at 25%. We've
00:26:05.960already mentioned gyms that they're sending out officers to measure how much huffing and puffing
00:26:11.680is going on obviously none of the theaters are open none of the major event centers are open
00:26:17.600can't do in-person conferences uh these all of uh can't have banquets all of these things were
00:26:23.440supposed to be in step three once we met the 300 person in hospital target and we were just told
00:26:31.280nope not gonna do it with no real timeline for when we are going to do it so drew i i know i'm
00:26:37.200putting you on the spot here and i know that you're a bit frustrated and you're pushing from within
00:26:40.720but can you explain what happened why didn't we why didn't we follow the original plan well well
00:26:46.320thank you for this tonight danielle and and colleagues in the liberty caucus as best i can
00:26:51.760there was a qualifier on opening to step three and that qualifier was as long as hospitalizations are
00:26:58.640not increasing uh and that's the justification that's been used for not allowing us into step
00:27:04.160three now Danielle because we're in the 13th month of this because there's so much fatigue
00:27:10.240because we're dealing with so many other issues in addition to COVID many many Albertans didn't
00:27:15.840hear the qualifier of the hospitalizations had to be declining they were solely focused on on the
00:27:22.000number of hospital beds and like when step two didn't happen remember it was delayed for a week
00:27:27.600or 10 days the the pushback the the frustration um my concerns for continued compliance the number
00:27:35.520of people like it's in the hundreds that reach out to my office and and this is this is a tough
00:27:40.000time but it's also a little bit back to why why i joined the the liberty caucus you know in in
00:27:45.440cypress medicine hat we are not only dealing with the covet crisis but we're dealing with
00:27:50.080the mental health crisis we're dealing with an addictions crisis an economic crisis uh there
00:27:56.320There's a lot of things that families in our community is dealing with.
00:28:01.000And the thing that I liked about what Randy and Max and others had started
00:28:05.760was one of the main goals is to review government policy,
00:28:09.900to review what the government lockdown's policy is,
00:28:13.060to ensure that we can make it better, make it right, and make those things happen.
00:28:17.440And that's the issue that if we're going to be dealing with COVID-20 or more waves,
00:28:24.460My goodness, the sooner that we can fully engage Albertans and Canadians to have this discussion, and as Paul said, about freedoms, the better.
00:28:33.100And the third thing, you know, Alberta is such a place of opportunity, of conservative values, of prosperity and freedom.
00:28:42.060I would like, you know, Alberta to be like South Dakota, Texas or Florida, where we're that light of freedom and opportunity and where things are happening.
00:28:52.140And if that's the thing to do in terms of balancing safety and families and those kind of things, absolutely.
00:29:00.620And the other reason that ties back into the first one, Danielle, is we only in all of Cypress Medicine Hat right now only have 10 COVID cases.
00:29:10.700I heard there might be one in the hospital.
00:39:21.420Can you talk to me a little bit about what the psychology is there?
00:39:26.000I'm sort of surprised that the reason I worry so much about what's happening in Quebec and Montreal in particular is that that is where our prime minister is from.
00:39:35.560And so if you are looking at the stricter and stricter lockdowns in Quebec, that's going to have an impact on federal policy.
00:42:03.840one more uh just need to undo your mute there randy well i'll say if rob ford was the premier
00:42:13.640we would be in a much better position i would say uh however he is uh um you know part of it is
00:42:21.040polling part of it is that doug ford's staff and himself both understand that they put themselves
00:42:29.120in a pickle they uh they know that they overreacted back in march and april and we can be uh forgiving
00:42:37.920about that you know that was a uncertain period of time but they really have trapped themselves
00:42:43.920within the and become beholden to the mob that they helped create this we've got a still a great
00:42:51.680number of people here who are fearful and i would even say hysterical about the danger of the virus
00:43:01.200and and they've they've been captured doug ford has been captured by this mob and um and as we
00:43:10.080saw last week in his press conference where he said no political person will disagree with public
00:43:17.600health it would be akin to political suicide and and wrapping a rope around your neck and throwing
00:43:23.280yourself off the bridge he's also become beholden to the public health so this is a dangerous
00:43:33.040position that he's put himself in and for him to get out of it now requires him to be truthful
00:43:42.960and tell people that he made a mistake for a good long time and they're just not prepared for the
00:43:48.800blowback and they're fearful that it will cost them the next election if they are truthful with
00:43:55.600the people of ontario are you like um maxime bernier said are you getting the same kind of
00:44:01.840coverage now seeping into ontario i mean he's saying people are looking more at florida and
00:44:06.960more at texas and other jurisdictions that are are freeing up and saying hey why can't we do
00:44:11.920that here is the same thing happening in ontario oh without a doubt i i don't think it's to the
00:44:16.480same extent that's happening in alberta with the numbers that you showed up on screen danielle
00:44:22.400but clearly there is a a significant increase in desire to remove the lockdowns there's a
00:44:31.120significant increase in people who see that they are more harmful than they are good there's also
00:44:38.320But we still have a big problem here in Ontario, and I think this is indicative throughout Central Canada in the Maritimes and why we're seeing differences out in BC and Alberta than we are in the rest of the country.
00:44:53.960You know, we have a very significant white-collar public sector workforce and employment base in Central Canada.
00:45:05.480And for many of these people, life is bloody good.
00:45:09.780They don't have to get dressed in the morning and get in their car and commute.
00:45:15.000They can stay in their pajamas all day and read a couple emails and get paid every two weeks and their pension keeps building.
00:45:22.120And, you know, there's a real divide here between urban Ontario and rural Ontario, between white collar, blue collar, and it's hard to really pinpoint where things are.
00:45:38.540I know that the polling Ford is seeing is showing that he's still in majority territory.
00:45:44.900and that's really what's driving as long as he thinks he can win with lockdowns that's where
00:45:51.420he's going to keep his um that's where he's going to keep the caucus parked in lockdown
00:45:57.280well danielle it's your turn to be on the mute now
00:46:05.980sorry about that guys um so drew drew let me let me go to you next the end i know it's a
00:46:14.540tough position and i don't want to get you in a position where you get kicked out of caucus
00:46:18.020because i i understand that there is kind of a a caucus solidarity but you have broken ranks a bit
00:46:24.860and maybe you can just give us i'm trying to ask you a question to get some insight without getting
00:46:29.000you in trouble maybe you can tell us what it is that drove the reversal because the premier i
00:46:36.340think got a lot of support uh up until mid-november when he was saying he was balancing lives and
00:46:42.660livelihoods. And I thought he was doing a really darn good job of that. And then wham, just flipped
00:46:48.040180 degrees and he won't flip back. And I don't know why he's so dug in because he was looking
00:46:54.740at the right indicators of hospitalization and ICU. We're in no danger of seeing hospitals
00:47:00.880overrun. We know exactly who's the most at risk. We know how to protect them. We know who's not at
00:47:07.000risk. We know who we could ease up the restrictions on. We're seeing restrictions ease up in the
00:47:11.820south what is why is that not influential on the premier's decision making what are we missing
00:47:17.340that uh that he sees can you get can you shed some light on that well you know not not directly
00:47:23.760uh you know i'll back up though to uh initially the premier and the cabinet uh the pick cabinet
00:47:30.180that runs this came out with a regional approach letting the the cities decide their own mask
00:47:35.160bylaws, letting the cities have some influences. And when that was happening, the polling was a
00:47:43.140bit higher. Certainly people in Medicine Hat were happier. The Council of Medicine Hat actually
00:47:48.900voted, some of them voted against a mask bylaw, and that mask bylaw expired in early March.
00:47:54.620So for some reason, he changed from the regional approach. And the specific reasons,
00:48:01.700reasons i don't know uh but uh you know there's just uh just an instance going on where there's
00:48:08.520just so many other things that that we have to deal with and uh you know it's it's been a concern
00:48:14.440why isn't he persuaded by uh fellow travelers on the in the liberty movement why why isn't he
00:48:21.740persuaded by ron desantis and christy gnome i would have thought that he that would have drawn
00:48:25.980him some inspiration and he would have developed a some courage to go the same route what what is
00:48:32.140why is that not influential on him yeah you know again i i can't speak for him i i don't know uh
00:48:38.380in question period today though uh health minister shandro did partially answer that a regional
00:48:43.340approach was somewhere being looked at uh so so that is some good news um you know there's a and
00:48:51.660And again, that, you know, I think it was Max that mentioned it, our opposition here, the NDP, would even lock down tighter.
00:48:59.460You know, they call for that all the time.
00:49:01.920So maybe it's back to just simple politics.
00:49:04.780You know, and that's one of the reasons that I was grateful when the Liberty Caucus came along and the opportunity to speak up.
00:49:12.640Cyprus Medicine had constituents, you know, quite respectful, wearing masks wherever they go.
00:49:18.480But the degree of fatigue, I'm worried about the non-compliance.
00:49:23.580The last three Saturdays, I've had between 50 and 100 people outside my constituency office in support of what I've been doing, in support of speaking up and in support of more freedoms.
00:49:35.980And, you know, hopefully that will grow.
00:49:37.840I mean, it's a big weekend with Easter coming up.
00:49:40.800And, you know, there's a lot of families, of course, that want to celebrate that.
00:49:44.600you know one of the things that's really been been you know hit hard here is is the fact that
00:49:51.420how essential our spiritual health is and you know we ended up with a situation with with the pastor
00:49:56.540in jail and all the all the in and outs of that just showed that you know that that one of the
00:50:03.700essential elements of of life our spiritual health you know could have been addressed in a different
00:50:08.680way and uh you know those those are the things to get right from this minute on and to get right in
00:50:15.000the future all right drew let me let me turn it over to paul hinman and get your your thoughts
00:50:20.920on things i mean with that it sounds like they're now sort of reluctantly perhaps maybe looking at
00:50:26.040doing a regional approach it sounds like in quebec and ontario they already have a regional approach
00:50:30.520do you have any more insights about what happened why the flip and and why uh the premier seems to
00:50:36.040have dug in and won't go back to the same kind of balance he had before you're on mute there paul
00:50:45.560there we go thank you i i think the most significant one is is that this whole thing
00:50:50.280has been by by polls and um public opinion and it's not driven by the science the data that
00:50:58.120that's out the window and and so when you start doing that it's like the wind it changes your
00:51:03.480course changes and there's nothing set. I mean, he had all these goalposts. As soon as he got to
00:51:08.880them, they were thrown out the window. And I think he's just purely driven by the fact that what have
00:51:14.320we got to do to gain popularity? What are people thinking? What are they wanting? I know that
00:51:18.900they're polling all the time and he comes out with his numbers. They don't, what would I say,
00:51:23.760align with the more independent ones. But yet that's what he's using for guiding. But the bottom
00:51:28.720line is is that people need their freedom and and what people that are wanting the lockdowns and
00:51:34.720stuff fail to see is that they have their freedom to stay home they have their freedom to wear a
00:51:40.160mask out there that they want to point the finger and and blame that that you're the curse of
00:51:45.360society you're the one that's causing the problems and we need to remove these elements from for the
00:51:50.800benefit of the good of the group and and they're losing on the individual and like i say the only
00:51:55.760individuals that they count and they do it you know anonymously are the covid responses when when
00:52:01.840the harm is being done like i say to our children to business people to families it's just it's just
00:52:08.800unbelievable that all those numbers are not being looked at when he says he's balancing things
00:52:13.920there's nothing to balance when you don't say the numbers they don't say that look we had 15 opioid
00:52:19.440deaths in the last day or anything else it's just it's just covid and so they've lost perspective
00:52:24.560They're doubling down. This is what I want to say tyrants and politicians do, is they just want to keep doubling down, thinking they're going to get out of this.
00:52:34.580But this is no different than the fact of the deficits. They get away with deficit spending year after year after year, and they've never hit the wall.
00:52:43.260unfortunately the deficit of our loss of our freedoms is going to hit a wall much sooner
00:52:49.500and again the tragedy of it and the crisis that it's going to cause and is causing is just beyond
00:52:57.520acceptance and we've got to stop that it's a real problem let me let me go to randy again randy i'll
00:53:04.500just remind you to take your mute off before you start speaking but maybe you can answer
00:53:09.440answer the question as well about where you get your information from that has caused you to come
00:53:15.320to a different conclusion. Our listeners know where I get the information on from because I
00:53:19.720shared as much as I could while I was on the radio. Dr. R.A. Jaffe, I had him on twice, but I've also
00:53:25.640had David Redman on who was the lieutenant colonel. He used to be in charge of emergency management
00:53:29.740here. We did a segment with Dr. John. He was my guiding light through the past year telling me
00:53:36.420what studies made sense, which ones didn't keep me out of the ditch, telling me what was the
00:53:40.140promising research on therapeutics. And then we interviewed three doctors yesterday who took a
00:53:45.780different view on lockdown, that the lockdowns are just going to be far more devastating to
00:53:50.280public health and mental health than COVID. And also putting it into perspective that the people
00:53:56.260we know who are the most at risk are those over the age of 75 with multiple pre-existing conditions.
00:54:01.660And if you're under 50 and healthy, you're at less risk than influenza.
00:54:09.140We are exposing ourselves to alternative information.
00:54:12.120Where are you getting your information from so that we know why it is you take the view that you do?
00:54:17.400Well, that's a good question, Danielle, because you can't get it from the mainstream media as a rule.
00:54:24.160There's there is such a dissent and suppression, such a suppression of dissenting views that you have to go out scouring and looking for what people are saying.
00:54:36.740But but they're out there. The former chief medical officer of health in Ontario, Dr.
00:54:42.240Richard Chavez, has spoken quite critically about these lockdowns.
00:54:45.940Of course, there's eminent medical professionals around the world with the Great Barrington Declaration and Michael Yeadon, former chief scientist at Pfizer, have all spoken out highly critical of these things.
00:55:03.100But it does take a fair amount of time of looking to find these individuals, like Dr. Roger Hodkinson out in Edmonton.
00:55:13.980When I showed his YouTube, I did an interview with him on YouTube, and YouTube banned me for 90 days for doing so.
00:55:21.780So, you know, I have a great many doctors here in Ontario that I talk with, as well as across the country, as well as a great many eminent scientists and professors in Canada and outside.
00:55:39.080And but for the for the layperson, it can be very difficult to find the dissenting views and the actual facts and evidence, because the mainstream media is certainly not going to give dissenting views and facts adequate airtime.
00:56:01.080airtime. That's without question. Yeah, and as I observe that too, I would say that the post
00:56:07.140media chain is doing a really good job of allowing people like Brian Lilly and Anthony Fury to
00:56:12.180interview doctors and give a broader perspective. So that's a positive development. But let me put
00:56:17.440it to Maxime Bernier, because I agree with Randy, it is really difficult to get good, credible
00:56:23.920information. Doctors are afraid to step forward and offer their viewpoint because they're getting
00:56:29.840threatened by their college of physicians and surgeons are getting threatened that their
00:56:34.400hospital privileges might be revoked i mean everybody's on the uh at everybody who is in
00:56:39.840the medical profession gets paid by government so we we're not getting the full range of views
00:56:44.800that we otherwise would on this issue so how do you how do you get balance where do you get your
00:56:49.120where do you get your information from maxine but i must say that you know um i was uh speaking
01:00:03.440All of those ones that you're talking about, they're out there and they're available, but they're being dismissed.
01:00:08.720And the censorship, I mean, I've been kicked off of YouTube because of this as well and been de-platformed.
01:00:14.860And so the censorship is just unbelievable.
01:00:17.800But the sad thing is, is that there's still too many people that are trusting Henshaw and Kenny that, oh, they're there for us.
01:00:26.940And they don't realize that, no, they're not there for us.
01:00:29.740They're there to protect their little fiefdom and what they're trying to do, and it's just appalling that they're not bringing these other alternative views or allowing them to say, you know, people should look at these because we should have been doing a lot more research.
01:00:43.420Again, even with therapeutics, there's no reason not to be having those going on in our own province, in our own senior care facilities, and showing that, no, the results are very positive, and yet they're not doing it.
01:00:54.460But it's out there. You go on the internet, you start looking. It's difficult. But again, you know, there's just so many names out there. And again, when you go to England or Ireland, there's a doctor. Germany, there's lots of speaking, people speaking out there and they're forming groups.
01:01:10.500And you just need to Google search it. And there's lots out there that haven't been deplatformed yet, but it's getting more and more difficult. And again, they're certainly cutting down on our ability here. And the censorship is just shocking to me. It's as bad as the fact that the government won't protect our freedoms and again, destroying people's lives and their livelihood and claiming that they're trying to balance it when they don't look at the individual that they're running over and saying,
01:01:39.960well that's all part of the balance it isn't all right i want to do a a video from michelle
01:01:47.800rempel and i think i've done my share screen correctly but i think we need to get derek to
01:01:53.400put it in perfect so let me let me uh just sort of set this up for you because michelle rempel
01:01:58.760put forward a motion in the house of commons where she she's calling on the government to
01:02:04.760find a way to safely, gradually and permanently lift the COVID restrictions. She's not talking
01:02:11.000about getting back to some kind of new normal that everybody keeps referring to. She wants
01:02:16.040the old normal that we used to have. And I want you to hear the argument and why it is she put
01:02:20.760this motion forward. And then we're going to get our panel to weigh in on what their proposals are
01:02:26.680for how you get a data-driven approach to return to a safe, gradual and permanent lifting of all
01:02:34.680COVID restrictions. First, let's hear what Michelle Rempel had to say. This was her setting up the
01:02:39.620motion explaining why it is. She decided to put it forward in the first place. She asked a question
01:02:44.040in the House of Commons and was not very happy with the answer. So here she is.
01:02:49.860Yesterday in the House of Commons, I asked the health minister what I thought was a very simple
01:02:54.520question, a nonpartisan question, which was when can fully vaccinated seniors give their
01:03:01.360grandchildren a hug. And the answer that we got back from the health minister a year into the
01:03:08.240pandemic was, could be summarized as, I don't know, I'm not sure I want to tell you about this.
01:03:17.480I think it's a provincial jurisdiction, but I'm going to give the province's advice.
01:03:21.680And that's not what Canadians want to hear. I think that that answer encapsulates best the
01:03:27.980need for this motion. We're a year into COVID-19 and enough is enough. A year ago, you know,
01:03:36.120Canadians from coast to coast pulled together and said, yeah, we've got to shut down the economy.
01:03:42.920We've got to undertake these restrictions to buy public health experts and all of us here in this
01:03:51.280place, provincial governments, municipal leaders,
01:03:54.400buy us time to figure out what COVID-19 was,
01:03:58.100how it spreads, who is most vulnerable,
01:04:00.180and develop tools to permanently combat it,
01:04:03.280like therapeutics, rapid tests, and vaccines.
01:04:07.600And a year into the pandemic, those tools now exist.
01:04:16.720we have not had clear guidance from our health officials on the circumstances on which widespread
01:04:26.380mass lockdowns can safely end. She's totally, totally right. And so let's see if we can fill
01:04:32.860some of that information gap here. I don't know if we've got Maxime Bernier back, Derek, do we not?
01:04:38.260Doesn't look like he's with us. So we may have to continue on without him. If he joins us, we'll
01:04:44.360we'll get him to weigh in on the conversation again but but randy do talk about that because
01:04:49.020that i think really does summarize what what my frustration is fair enough i'm not going to blame
01:04:55.280you back in march and april of last year when everything was confused and you didn't know and
01:05:00.820we had problems with procurement and we didn't have rapid testing and we weren't really sure
01:05:05.040what antivirals and what anti-inflammatories might work and there wasn't a vaccine in sight
01:05:10.060But fast forward a year later, we have all those things. We have approved rapid tests that are easily deployable. We have a range of therapeutics from vitamin D to the hydroxychloroquine zinc, azithromycin mixture to ivermectin to colchicine to various other anti-steroids or steroids and other anti-inflammatories.
01:05:29.380And we also have four vaccines that are now improved, including Johnson & Johnson.
01:05:36.300So the world today is 100%, 200% different than it was a year ago.
01:05:43.360And so why can't politicians say the world has changed, therefore we change along with it?
01:07:44.960We know what the plan should be. It looks a lot like what we were doing before March of 2020. And a couple of minor differences, of course, for long-term care and a few other specialized or specific areas within society.
01:08:03.580But otherwise, the evidence says we should go back to normal, which was also safe.
01:08:12.220Before COVID-19, we conducted ourselves safely.
01:08:16.260So, you know, I think Michelle Rempel has laid it out.
01:08:29.280Listen, there is a lot of money at play here.
01:08:32.460A lot of people would find it astonishing just to see how much money is in play here with our governments.
01:08:40.160Between big pharma, between all the testing, the vaccines, public health is awash with money.
01:08:48.880Our hospital associations are gaining bucket loads of money on new builds and renovations.
01:08:55.840So there is a vested interest to keep this pandemic going.
01:09:03.420for the for people's self-interest it's being exploited the politicians need to find the
01:09:11.180backbone they need to find the spine and the courage to turn off the taps and not allow the
01:09:18.860public to be exploited any further let me go to uh paul hinman now and see if if he'll echo some of
01:09:26.220those sentiments so i mean i i appreciate the fact that um and i again i'm not going to hold
01:09:33.180um uh anybody at in in negative light for march and april i i felt at that time because we had
01:09:40.540enough information coming out of italy and and china to know that it was those with pre-existing
01:09:45.500conditions and those who were aged who were most at risk but you know what you never know things
01:09:49.980could develop differently i get that but it became very very clear uh with the abundance
01:09:55.340of evidence that that was the case and to me we could have ended up going uh lockdown free as
01:10:01.340soon as we hit the summer and the caseload ended up declining and and just done focused protection
01:10:07.020once we had a new respiratory virus season in the in the in the fall and winter so i'm still a little
01:10:13.340bit perplexed with knowing that there are these therapeutics out there in case somebody gets sick
01:10:18.300knowing that you can take a vaccine as a preventative if you're one of those high-risk
01:10:22.380groups, and I think we keep bragging that we've got all the high-risk groups with at least their
01:10:26.060first shot, and then rapid testing on top of that, that you're able to at least target the
01:10:30.940long-term care facilities so that anyone going in and out, you'd be able to know right away
01:10:35.100whether they were infected. It seems like these are enough tools, so what am I missing, Paul?
01:10:40.620Well, I don't think we're missing anything, and it's very alarming the way she phrased it,
01:10:46.860But, you know, and I do agree, back in March and April, it was a little bit scary.
01:10:51.820You know, the video that they were showing was certainly scary for people.
01:10:57.380But even back then, when they originally were putting out that number, they didn't say every day that, oh, my goodness, we've had 20 deaths.
01:11:02.940And by the way, 19 of those deaths were in long-term care facilities with people with three or four more coexisting problems.
01:11:11.000And government's job should have been to give confidence and hope.
01:11:14.800and instill instead all they do is instill fear and they put the numbers out there in such a way
01:11:20.120to instill fear again I'll keep saying what they've done to the grandchildren who are afraid
01:11:25.680to go see their grandparents now and again I've talked to several grandparents my mother included
01:11:31.260this isn't living being in isolation my mother deteriorated terrible over the year of isolation
01:11:37.600and and it was not good for her health the harm was done she's since passed away and and again
01:11:44.460And it's just terrible that that last year and the last week I was finally allowed to go in without having to try and cheat the system to go see my own mother because they said, well, like she's at the end.
01:11:57.080And it's just wrong. You know, you can't get together for a family funeral.
01:12:00.300Everything that they're doing is wrong.
01:12:01.760And to say that, oh, we now have a vaccine so they can come in.
01:12:05.440I mean, this is an experimental vaccine.
01:12:09.200And the biggest problem that we're doing, and what scares me the most, is that we're taking away our innate immune system and something that has protected humanity from the beginning.
01:12:20.040And we're saying that that doesn't work anymore.
01:12:21.920But what we'll do is give you a specific vaccine for a specific virus.
01:12:26.300And so you won't get the broad spectrum.
01:12:28.620You know, your body's not going to respond to this.
01:12:30.720And again, the lockdowns have delayed the inevitable to where now, if in fact we have a breakout, how bad and how severe is it going to be?
01:12:39.200And again, in the year that the government has done nothing, if they needed more respiratory
01:12:43.180therapists, there was a lot that they could have been training in a year, they could have been
01:12:46.740building facilities, we could have so much of more robust system, where we even separate and
01:12:51.920have facilities that are purely for treating people with COVID. So we don't have to shut down
01:12:55.900our main facilities. And they've done nothing except for continue and perpetuate the fear
01:13:00.500mongering and the scaring. And it's just wrong. And no, I don't agree with Michelle, we don't
01:13:05.480need to wait 20 days. We don't need new numbers. We need to recognize the fact that this is like
01:13:10.040every other virus that we've had, and sometimes more people are affected, but the young and our
01:13:16.140children, they should be in school. They should be singing. They should be dancing. They should
01:13:20.100be out doing their sports, and we're not allowing them to do any of that, and no, I disagree that
01:13:25.320we need to open up and then practice that focus protection for seniors, but even that's been
01:13:32.280over the top and not in their best interest we'll talk about that in just a second as well because i
01:13:37.240want to know what a better approach would be for focus protection but i see maxine bernier is back
01:13:41.320and i i was going to have played the michelle rempel quote and then go first to him but we lost
01:13:46.520him so let me just summarize the quote that i played for for you maxine mike she talked about
01:13:51.640asking the health minister when are we going to have grandmas able to hug their kids again
01:13:57.000or their grandkids again and the health minister came back and said well i don't really know it's
01:14:00.840kind of provincial jurisdiction but her point was you know maybe march april we didn't have
01:14:05.720all the information but now we have therapeutics that we know can be effective we have rapid
01:14:11.000testing so that we can quickly identify somebody who's sick and we have the rollout of vaccines
01:14:15.160four of them we're in a different world now why can't we develop a a plan within 20 days for how
01:14:22.440we get back to as she's describing it safe gradual and permanent end to lockdown restrictions so
01:14:29.160i just wanted to get your response to that what did you think of her speech in her motion
01:14:33.480yeah first of all about the motion danielle we don't need a plan we don't need the 20 days we
01:14:39.080need to act right now we have all the data that virus is out there for a year now we know who is
01:14:46.760affecting and it's that that's the older so we need to protect them but also it yes we must admit
01:14:53.320that it's a provincial jurisdiction health care it's a 100 provincial jurisdiction but the federal
01:15:00.360government has a big role to play and the federal government right now the trudeau government is
01:15:06.440encouraging provinces to have draconian measures lockdowns curfew curfew like we have in quebec
01:15:14.440and so what michelle rampall must ask and aaron o'toole must do is to act right now and asking
01:15:21.640the federal government to stop encouraging provinces to take these draconian measures
01:15:28.520first and the way to do that is to stop all funding coming from the federal government
01:15:34.440the federal government is giving grants and subsidies to businesses and to individuals
01:15:40.680because of this lockdown so just stop the funding and i can tell you that provinces will look twice
01:15:47.720before imposing another lockdowns and we don't need also these hotel the cove 19 hotel jail that
01:15:55.400we have right now so um we need action right now so a plan we don't need a plan we have all the
01:16:02.200data right now the federal government must encourage provinces to stop these draconian
01:16:08.520lockdowns by stopping to give them money and all these programs that the federal government put
01:16:15.080forward that must end so that would be good and we will be able to be free again but at the same
01:16:22.760time that will help to fight the huge deficit that we have right now at the federal level
01:16:29.000so it's a little bit late asking for another 20 days and another plan we don't need a plan and
01:16:35.480that's not under the federal jurisdiction the federal just has to stop giving money to provinces
01:16:41.000and i can tell you in alberta and quebec in ontario they will stop these lockdowns rapidly
01:16:47.800let me i missed your answer to the other question because your computer froze i was wondering where
01:16:51.800you get your information that is informed how you're looking at this issue because it may be
01:16:57.000that in quebec and i'll say that there are different scholars and it's a different and more
01:17:01.800robust conversation than is what what's happening in in the english speaking part of the country
01:17:07.480can you can you tell us why it is that you came to the conclusion that you did are there some
01:17:11.400doctors or medical uh medical advice that you can direct us to yeah for sure you know i'm i'm looking
01:17:18.440at the some expert in quebec some doctors that are very prominent doctor uh working for uh
01:17:24.840university of montreal and other university in quebec uh they're they're dissident they're
01:17:29.880challenging the financial government but the most important for canadians they must go to the justice
01:17:36.360center for constitutional freedoms they have data coming from statistics canada and so we know that
01:17:43.240lockdowns are hurting more the population than the virus right now and so also on their website
01:17:50.600as you know the justice center for constitutional freedoms uh he is suing and they are suing some
01:17:57.800provincial governments and so they have expert testimony from expert on their website there's a
01:18:04.040lot of good information over there so i'm encouraging people to go and see that information
01:18:10.200on their website it's all about information on our country coming from statistic canada there's
01:18:16.120another way to fight that virus instead of having curfew and lockdowns okay let me go to uh to drew
01:18:22.760barnes now because um i think that the answers that came out of that question and that debate
01:18:29.000is that and i have it in front of me health minister patty haidu
01:18:32.840said that the it was the premier's job so it's the premier's job to to make the
01:18:37.960changes and not the federal government she said
01:18:42.040that it shows a lack of confidence in public health officials
01:18:45.480her motion does a lack of understanding of the jurisdictional right and
01:18:48.600responsibility of provinces and territories
01:18:51.320to deliver health care and to protect the health of constituents
01:18:54.360kevin lateral the parliamentary secretary to the government house leader
01:18:57.480responded saying provinces are responsible for putting in place covid 19 restrictions
01:19:02.680is it the conservative party's policy that Ottawa should start overriding provincial jurisdiction
01:19:07.560so all of this keeps saying it's up to you it's up to you it's up to you uh we've got nothing to
01:19:12.280do with this and yet we do also know that the prime minister was musing about imposing a federal
01:19:19.480emergency and taking the decision out of the province's hands we know that we're 100 reliant
01:19:24.840on the federal government to get our vaccine allocation we also know that they approve rapid
01:19:30.040tests and they get to approve a variety of therapeutics for potential use we know that
01:19:36.120they have the ability to shut down our airports and put people in covet hotels and we also did
01:19:41.560see a backbench liberal np musing that any premier who reduced restrictions could face
01:19:48.040criminal sanction so in we're getting a mixed message from the federal government and i'm
01:19:52.760wondering what your perspective is on this because I feel and you can correct me if I'm wrong I feel
01:19:58.360like part like the premier is being held hostage here and part of the reason why he's taken the
01:20:03.360view that he has is because the pressure that is being put on him by the federal government and
01:20:07.000then they keep denying it tell me tell me your perspective yeah very very similar thanks for
01:20:11.560that and first of all a shout out to Michelle for contributing to the solution I mean a year ago
01:20:16.900with the Buffalo Declaration she took some risks then and did things so I'm so glad she's continuing
01:20:21.620to do that yeah Canada has got so many layers of government so much government and and we have a
01:20:29.280system where the feds take money out of Alberta and then put it back but they put conditions on
01:20:34.660it we're in a situation where all provinces are borrowing deeply now and and I think most of the
01:20:40.540bonds are being bought by the government of Canada so that creates some you know some some constraints
01:20:47.200and some restrictions absolutely that more provincial oversight rather you know more
01:20:54.160when you have two bosses nobody's in charge let's put the provinces in charge and let's give them
01:20:59.200them resources to do it but but let's look at that danielle that's one of the things that a
01:21:03.920lot of cypress medicine hatters and albertans have have suggested great concern to me you're
01:21:08.320in alberta our alberta health services and our alberta health are up to about 25 billion a year
01:21:14.560you know that's 45 percentage of the of the provincial budget and we're in the same spot
01:21:20.120we were at 13 months ago where we're unsure if we can handle surge capacity if if there is a whole
01:21:26.840bunch of need for extra surgeries uh you know emergency surgeries or or essential surgeries
01:21:33.280even even a covid spike um the medicine at hospital as an example i think has two floors
01:21:39.840that are completely vacant, and at the same time, we're shutting our whole entire economy
01:21:46.060down because of the healthcare. It makes one wonder. Back to what other people on the panel
01:21:54.500said, yeah, so much good information there, but in Florida, they've had a five-minute
01:21:59.380rapid blood test for long-term care workers for a long time. On your way into work to
01:22:05.000take care of our seniors who are prized possessions and are most vulnerable, they've known for
01:22:11.020a long time that a five-minute rapid blood test will protect them.
01:22:15.160And let's talk about the consequences of all this.
01:22:19.040I mean, the mental health and what it's done to families is so sad.
01:22:23.300But the CIBC was out about a week ago.
01:22:27.500There's about $100 billion extra money sitting in Canadians' bank accounts.
01:22:36.140And this money, you know, will be spent and it will be inflationary.
01:22:40.720Look at how much the cost of food has gone up.
01:22:46.180You know, even canola, you know, which is the oil for frying our chicken wings has gone crazy expensive.
01:22:53.600we are we are headed to to some huge costs and and if that continues how does the central bank
01:23:02.760how does the government of canada control inflation by increasing interest rates is the
01:23:06.800way can you imagine if interest rates had to go up two or three points um you know there's other
01:23:12.540ways of course the government can take money out of the economy and we saw the globe and mail
01:23:17.060suggest one last week starting to tax canadians on the gain on our principal residents i mean
01:23:24.340what element of our life doesn't have some element of taxation from one of the levels of government
01:23:29.620now that's about the only one left although municipalities and property taxes are already
01:23:34.100there so so what are the ramifications for all this for for down the road you know albertans
01:23:41.700our youth we need to be able to plan we need to be able to progress we need to be able to build
01:23:46.500and and you know let's let's let's make it so so that we can they can have that opportunity
01:23:52.820and and these are the things that uh you know politicians and and and and journalists will be
01:23:59.700talking about for a long time as they affect every level of our society look this is what i don't
01:24:04.820understand and i'll go back to we'll sort of go east to west again i'll go back to maxime to get
01:24:09.380his his comment on this a reckoning is coming like you you can't keep people suppressed with
01:24:16.580information you cannot keep the truth from coming out you cannot avoid the consequences of all of
01:24:22.900the borrowing and spending eventually the chickens come home to roost and so why would they think
01:24:28.820that there isn't going to be a a much greater political consequence down the road once we all
01:24:33.620realized they did nothing to mitigate some of the things that drew was talking about so let's then
01:24:39.380let's then talk about that maxine because if you were prime minister what would you do how how
01:24:44.420would you if we parachuted you in to this current situation and you said okay stop everything we're
01:24:51.300gonna take a totally different approach tell me what your plan would be you don't need 20 days
01:24:55.140to come up with it you got it now what would we do oh sorry maxine you're on uh you're on mute go
01:25:02.980ahead one more time yeah okay sorry i'll give you an example when i was industry minister
01:25:10.100you know i had my civil servant that was giving me advice and also i had my private sector
01:25:16.180economist and you know four time on five i was listening to private sector economies and each
01:25:22.820time that i had to take a decision we had a debate and the best one won and the best one was almost
01:25:29.700all the time the private sector economies so i'll do the same thing you know i i would have done the
01:25:35.220same thing as prime minister have your your civil servant but also expert from outside the government
01:25:41.940and we know now we know that that's yes in the beginning maybe we didn't have all these data of
01:25:48.020all the information that we have right now but you know why doing lockdowns when it was an experiment
01:25:55.540an experiment that failed we never did lockdowns for a health crisis and so that was the first
01:26:04.740time so i'm not the kind of a guy that wants to try something for for the first time and being
01:26:10.100the first one to try it i think i will have challenged a little bit more my civil servant
01:26:15.220and without any lockdown just protect the older that must have been the solution in the beginning
01:26:20.180and a lot of experts said that in the beginning also to protect the orders
01:26:24.260actually in quebec 85 percent of the debts in quebec it's coming from the long long term senior
01:26:34.020home and that's that's the government home government long term long term senior home so
01:26:41.140the government of quebec is responsible and directly of 85 percent of the debt so why
01:26:47.700shutting down our economy and you're right danielle to say that's a huge cause and now
01:26:53.300what happened the bank of canada is printing money and when you print money you'll have inflation
01:26:59.860yes drew said we have inflation right now with our grocery and it's coming and we may have five
01:27:06.340six percent inflation uh in a year that's a cost inflation is a hidden tax it's it's the worst of
01:27:14.020all the taxes the federal government does does not have the courage to tax people for all that
01:27:21.060spending that like these huge deficits that the federal government is doing instead they are
01:27:27.460printing money and we will pay because we'll have this we'll have our dollar in our pocket
01:27:32.820but we won't be able to buy the same amount of goods and services with that daughter so that's
01:27:38.580why it's a kind of a tax and now the federal government and provincial government are looking
01:27:43.860at the short term and they try to do everything that they think is right right now without that
01:27:50.660looking at the future and they're saying for them you know money it's falling from the sky there's
01:27:55.780no problem but we will all pay for that we will all be poor for that because of bad policies at
01:28:03.140the federal and provincial level and that's why we need to fight and that's why i was very pleased
01:28:08.500to be part of the end of dance caucus and fighting for more freedom because that's the only solution
01:28:15.060okay i want to find out a little bit more about what those long-term consequences will be but
01:28:18.980let's see if we can get some specifics about how each of you would respond if
01:28:23.360you were handed this situation today would you just do I'll go to you Randy
01:28:27.020would you just do what they did in Texas where they basically did a press
01:28:31.280conference and said okay we're passing an edict as of tomorrow a hundred percent
01:28:35.480of businesses will be allowed to open 100% or where you just pass a law pass
01:28:39.860an edict and say okay the mask mandate it's over or you just do what Ron De
01:28:45.720santa said and and said that uh that everybody is allowed to make their own uh their own choices and
01:28:51.640not and he actually forbade his municipalities from overriding the decision at the state level
01:28:58.440and imposing additional restrictions so i'm just throwing those on the table to get your feedback
01:29:02.920what would you do go ahead randy yeah i would rip the bandage off uh danielle like that is we need
01:29:09.800to face up that that is the that is where we ought to be i do want to just make another point
01:29:18.120that max brought up a real good point the provinces are doing this in large part not
01:29:24.360just with the money that is being incented by the feds to the provinces to do it but also by our
01:29:31.560federal public health agency and dr tam like they are really setting the stage that would put the
01:29:39.800provincial chief medical officer of health in a predicament uh in a professional predicament
01:29:47.400if they were opposing dr tam as well so for the feds to step back and say that this is the
01:29:54.760provinces that's wholly disingenuous without a doubt but but going back you know we know that
01:30:03.800even if we got ripped the bandage off today all canadians are going to be experiencing a
01:30:11.880significant reduction in their standard of living you know with a 400 billion dollar
01:30:19.080federal deficit huge deficits throughout every province the increase in the monetary supply
01:30:28.680We've seen here in rural Ontario, in much of rural Canada, we're seeing a hyperinflation on real estate values, a hyperinflation in the stock market.
01:30:41.340And people need to realize that what they have today is probably the best they're ever going to have for quite some time.
01:37:46.740yes i truly do see it differently and i i agree with what they're saying rip
01:37:50.820the bandage off but but there's a couple things i guess
01:37:54.580basically. I actually believe in people to have faith in their assessment on what their health
01:38:03.280is and what their wellness is and what their safety is. And by ripping the bandage off,
01:38:07.920it doesn't say that everybody's got to go out and go to the gym tomorrow and exercise for a half
01:38:12.080hour. Those people who have the confidence and the ability and the health to go do that can.
01:38:17.420We don't need government monitoring and deciding every aspect of our lives. And so by ripping the
01:38:22.880bandage off, there will be a slow transition because many people are paranoid and won't go
01:38:27.420out to do those things, but let the public do it. But probably what scares me the most and hasn't
01:38:32.160been mentioned here is what the government really needs to do is actually pass legislation
01:38:37.480protecting individuals. And again, I guess I should say back our constitution of our freedoms
01:38:44.080and our property, starting with our own body. But what we need is to actually have legislations
01:38:49.240where businesses are going to be fined or criminally charged if they're going to force
01:38:54.560people to take vaccinations or not come in here. We need to start protecting the individual from
01:38:59.180big government because they want to impose it. And then businesses saying, oh, you can't come in here
01:39:03.660or this. Look at Israel and the state they're in with a vaccine passport. We need to start
01:39:10.260protecting the individual, not just rip the bandage off, but tell all these people that we've
01:39:15.220instilled so much fear in these corporations and saying it's their civil duty is to say whoa whoa
01:39:19.900whoa back off if you start pointing a finger and demanding people to do these things we're going
01:39:24.600to be charging you we need to protect the individual we need to allow freedom and and again
01:39:29.620all those other things that they're talking about inflation and the impact and again you know the
01:39:34.040most important thing that we always talk about local economies is to buy local and and again
01:39:39.440energy security is so paramount and yet we've been locked in here and we've got this this hate and
01:39:45.740the supreme court you know just ruled against the carbon tax and yet so okay let's bring stuff in
01:39:51.480you know from venezuela from saudi all of these rogue nations and stuff bring in which hurts our
01:39:56.120economy with the inflation now more than ever we should be looking at northern gateway energy east
01:40:01.380we should be doing all we can the eagle spirit energy corridor and working with our first nations
01:40:06.080there's so many opportunities that we could have if we just backed up and said you know what
01:40:10.240we're wrong uh we need to let people have their freedom and then they can assess their risk and
01:40:15.040we're going to support them in that and we're not going to allow this intrusion and liberty that's
01:40:19.920been lost any longer all right i want to understand where we're going with this because i i know where
01:40:27.920you want us to be but i fear that you've got the politicians going in the exact opposite direction
01:40:33.760so Maxime just you know give it to me straight up are they keeping us locked down until after easter
01:40:39.520they cancel christmas are they cancelling easter too is that why the fear machine has amped up
01:40:45.280again is because they want to justify either continued lockdowns or greater lockdowns to
01:40:50.560see us through easter when all of us would be getting together and finally hugging our family
01:40:54.240is that what's happening here first i hope that easter would be able to be all together with our
01:41:01.280family and doing what we want to do but you know what the government the federal government and
01:41:07.920these provincial government are doing they're politicians they're looking at for we said that
01:41:12.720at the beginning of that discussion they're looking at polling they're looking at focus group
01:41:18.880and now there's a movement people are more are more aware of of the situation and i think you know
01:41:25.360we will be freer at easter and during summertime but the other question that is more more important
01:41:32.560also is all the question on vaccine uh do we think that we'll have in canada mandatory vaccine
01:41:39.600personally uh you know uh i'm against a mandatory vaccine uh you know i won't take and i'm not
01:41:47.120taking and i won't take the kobe vaccine i'm 58 years old i'm in shape i'm running marathons
01:41:53.760and i don't need to have that vaccine and our policy at the people's party of canada
01:41:59.200we believe in freedom of choice and people must be free and responsible and we don't want any
01:42:06.480canadians to be obliged to take a vaccine so that would be an important debate i think the next phase
01:42:12.880of all that covid debate will be the question of vaccine because i think we will succeed to end the
01:42:19.920lockdowns and the curfew in quebec but after that the big debate is on vaccine and and we must
01:42:26.960fight against mandatory vaccine in this country let me let me post that uh randy as well because
01:42:34.400we get we keep getting such mixed messages from the prime minister saying oh my goodness we
01:42:38.960wouldn't possibly consider that and then the next step he says well maybe we should consider that
01:42:42.880and they've been polling like mad ever since the beginning to ask if people should have a mandatory
01:42:48.240vaccine or there should be vaccine passports so i have to say that i i wonder if the pollsters
01:42:54.480are guiding public opinion as opposed to reflecting the actual sentiment because i don't even know why
01:43:00.080they'd be asking that in the first place but give me your sense what what's going on here are they
01:43:04.960i know everything was sort of geared towards keeping everybody from traveling during the
01:43:09.760spring break but is is that what they're trying to do is to prevent us from seeing families at
01:43:14.240easter and then they'll ease up or is it we've got to keep the the fear campaign going so that
01:43:19.760we can we can bully and pressure and ostracize people who don't want to get vaccinated what's
01:43:24.800happening here what's the politics well listen from what i see uh danielle uh i would say that
01:43:31.520we will be in unless people vigorously assert themselves we're going to see ourselves in
01:43:39.040lockdowns for not months but more additional years this is not there's no indication that i see
01:43:49.360that there's any desire by any government uh certainly not in central canada anyway
01:43:55.760to to let up on lockdowns or or to let up on controls and we're seeing this from public health
01:44:03.920that these variants in third waves are all more dangerous so they're saying even though the
01:44:12.480evidence suggests otherwise we had the uk health minister back a month ago saying that he expects
01:44:25.440that the lockdowns will still be in place in the uk is until the spring of 2022 so um you know i'd
01:44:36.480love to be optimistic and hope that we get the lockdowns removed by easter i think we may see
01:44:44.000some short-term alleviation to try to quell the uh increasing protests but um i'm i'm very confident
01:44:54.080saying the more that we obey the more that we comply with these lockdown measures the longer
01:45:02.160they're going to last there will be no incentive or motivation for our governments to quell the
01:45:10.720fear in the mob and no incentive or motivation not to take advantage of the fear that they're
01:45:19.120uh instilling in the mob so i i see this politically for a great number of political
01:45:27.760parties and political leaders that they're quite happy to keep this state of fear in play
01:45:36.240and and certainly public health and big pharma and big tech they're all
01:45:40.400um willing to see this uh keep in play i would say the the mainstream media
01:45:47.440um enjoys the uh the lockdown measures they've been benefiting handsomely as well so i think
01:45:55.600there's just too many people benefiting um and who want to keep these uh restrictions on our
01:46:03.040freedoms in place and i would go along with paul and maxine's comments the vaccines are the key to
01:46:14.320this that's one of the keys that the government is looking at but they themselves have even said that
01:46:20.480you will continue to have to wear a mask there will have to be continued restrictions even if
01:46:26.000you have the vaccine the vaccine is not a cure it's it's one additional way that they're going to
01:46:34.160keep this a high in the conscience level of the public because they're even stating that
01:46:42.480you will have to have yearly vaccines for various variants that are coming out so you can see that
01:46:49.280this is a permanent and perpetual pandemic that we have created for ourselves and and like as paul
01:46:59.680said we have to start protecting the freedom and the sovereignty of the individual that i am the
01:47:08.640one who decides what gets injected in my body not some health bureaucrat and we have to ensure
01:47:16.320because we've seen it already here in Ontario. Many people are being fired or being prevented
01:47:22.720from continuing to work if they haven't been vaccinated. We're seeing many people getting
01:47:28.960fired and let go from work because they have a medical disability that prevents them from wearing
01:47:35.920a mask so our governments are allowing corporate canada and and small business to run roughshod
01:47:47.040over the freedoms of everybody and we need to start going back to basics as elected representatives
01:47:54.400that are first and foremost our job is to protect and protect the freedoms of individuals and uphold
01:48:02.560our constitution um not instill fear into the population well randy you've just terrified me
01:48:10.920with that statement so um let me see if one of the other panelists has a more optimistic view
01:48:17.160of what's going on i've got a number of people who um and i want drew to for you to go next to
01:48:22.980see whether you agree with what randy has said or and maxine maxine says watch for it mandatory
01:48:29.360vaccination is coming randy says the same thing and people are going to get fired from their jobs
01:48:33.360if they refuse to get vaccinated um he thinks the mask mandates and the restrictions are going to
01:48:38.480go on for years i've got people saying why don't you call this what it is the great reset but you
01:48:43.120know what i never thought that our premier jason kenney uh subscribed to carl or to uh to uh klaus
01:48:50.400schwab's view that we have to use this pandemic as an excuse to transition away from fossil fuels
01:48:56.880and to change our entire society and get rid of free enterprise capitalism so i'm perplexed i
01:49:03.120mean if anybody um loved freedom um uh if i if i was to deter if i was to point to a politician
01:49:11.840who i thought loved freedom more than any others i would have pointed to jason kenny this is why
01:49:15.920it's a disconnect for me i don't understand because i understand the the the theories about
01:49:20.720why some of the more left-wing authoritarian politicians want to do this i don't understand
01:49:26.380why freedom-loving uh conservative politician would want to do this so so fill in the blanks
01:49:30.840for us uh drew is is this going to be a perma lockdown uh i don't believe so but danielle this
01:49:39.220is why joining the the anti-lockdown caucus for me was so crucial back to the stated main goal
01:49:45.560to review government's policy and approach to the lockdown and the virus and all that's happened.
01:49:52.280We have a lot of work ahead of us, you know, the Western Standard, and you do as well,
01:49:57.800and Albertans and Canadians, we have to get involved and we have to make sure these things
01:50:03.480happen. Two years or so ago, I started a little bit of a quest to help develop the Constitution
01:50:10.900for Alberta in writing I guess technically we have one that's the jury prudence and all the
01:50:16.520all a whole bunch of older older laws and stuff but we need a constitution to to protect
01:50:24.680individuals and families from from the overreach of government is is one example and to help define
01:50:30.300our culture you know Premier Kenny has stated that he is not going to make vaccinations mandatory
01:50:38.640Of course, you know, there's other things that can happen with corporate policy and those kind of things.
01:50:46.060But again, you know, the Great Reset is moving everything to the left.
01:50:51.720But I'm hoping that Albertans, I'm hoping that many of us realize that this is also an opportunity to make things more free,
01:51:01.700to focus more on free enterprise families and and self-reliance uh trusting each other and those
01:51:08.180kind of things um you know there's um you know government got so big so quick uh government
01:51:14.820stepped into so many areas um and at times we haven't reviewed it we haven't looked at the
01:51:20.260effectiveness uh and you know we're going to pay the price for this down the road there there's no
01:51:25.060doubt uh so again the anti-lockdown caucus uh every single uh albertan that's interested
01:51:32.980needs to get involved it needs to make make things happen and and needs to be heard um and and you
01:51:38.420know the premier's accountable uh you know there's an election every four years i'm accountable the
01:51:44.180same way um there's there's you know an opportunity for for that to happen um what the future brings
01:51:51.540You know, I don't know, but, you know, when I go to Medicine Hat and I see it around other
01:51:58.460parts of Alberta, you know, people that have been complying fairly good for 13 months still
01:52:06.320wearing their face masks, although I don't know too many that give their right name and
01:52:10.580phone number when they go to a restaurant, but that's a whole other story.
01:52:14.420And, you know, they want to focus on getting this behind us, protecting those that were truly vulnerable and a new direction where, you know, we in a democracy where we where we are rewarded for self-reliance, for taking care of those that need it.
02:06:51.160And let's not forget that this isn't just a one election thing.
02:06:55.300this this is needs to be a movement this needs to be part of of your family life your kitchen table
02:07:01.220talk some some families have that great opportunity to to talk about politics and current affairs and
02:07:08.420and make things happen but but not everybody has the same level of interest and uh you know i i
02:07:13.700look at i look at the left in in my 10 years in politics um you know they've they've they've
02:07:20.100marginalized so many things about about politics and and they've made it hard to speak up at times
02:07:25.380because sometimes it becomes about the person rather than the issue you know those kind of
02:07:29.700things um and you know what one of my challenges is you know like i've had some people say to me
02:07:36.340well you know if that business person has a different view from me politically should i
02:07:41.620support them and and my feeling is yes i mean uh business is separate from politics
02:07:47.460but you should also have that same ability as that business person to to get involved just to post
02:07:55.180somewhere what you're thinking at the end of the day a democratic system is one vote for everybody
02:08:00.360and and a volunteer knocking on doors is probably more valuable than somebody that gives you a
02:08:05.700thousand dollars you know there's uh there's many many ways to to make these things happen
02:08:10.740And, you know, we're, again, back to this, what might be the silver lining of the most difficult of times is this hopefully will wake up all of us to get more involved, to focus more on smaller government free enterprise and families.
02:08:28.240And thanks again for you and your colleagues who are really trying to press from within, because I know that is really difficult.
02:08:33.840And you know what, to give the premier credit, he hasn't looted you out of caucus, and that seems to be what happens in other jurisdictions.