Western Standard - March 25, 2021

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00:02:30.000 Welcome to another episode of Danielle's Uncensored. I'm Derek Fildebrand, publisher of the Western

00:02:38.380 Standard. Very pleased you could all join us. Thanks for coming, Danielle.

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00:03:49.520 I'm very excited about today's show. We've got the Liberty Caucus. We've got Randy Hillier,

00:03:55.360 independent MPP from Ontario, Drew Barnes, my former colleague from the United Conservative

00:03:59.760 Party, formerly of the Wild Rose, Paul Hinman, leader of the Wild Rose Independence Party,

00:04:05.840 and interim leader, sorry, and Maxine Bernier, leader of the People's Party.

00:04:11.040 Really happy to have you all here. Very grateful. Danielle, why don't you take it away?

00:04:14.960 you bet i will thank you once again derek for giving me the opportunity to have this platform

00:04:19.760 as you know and i'd mentioned this before when uh we first started doing these there were a number

00:04:24.800 of guests and topics that i was not permitted to interview on mainstream media one of them

00:04:30.400 is randy hillier when he started up the liberty caucus i paid close attention to what was going

00:04:34.640 on there i was delighted to see it expand i'm a bit dismayed to see that it's not 10 times larger

00:04:41.840 because it really should be. If we are doing our job as voters, electing and properly vetting

00:04:47.460 politicians, we should have far more politicians who believe in liberty and freedom if we're going

00:04:52.100 to get to a place where we're back to not a new normal, but life as the old normal. So I want to

00:04:58.640 start and I'll tell you the order that we'll go in. We're going to talk to Randy Hillier from

00:05:03.360 Ontario to get his perspective of what life looks like there. Then we'll go to Maxime Bernier and

00:05:07.600 He'll give us sort of a dual perspective of what's going on in Quebec, as well as comment on the federal scene.

00:05:13.160 Then we'll come back to Alberta and get a perspective from Paul Hinman.

00:05:16.560 He was the first Alberta politician to join in the Liberty Caucus.

00:05:20.560 And then, of course, Drew Barnes and Angela Pitt joined very quickly, I think about a week after that.

00:05:24.720 And we'll end up with Drew and hopefully get an update on the direction that the government is going.

00:05:29.260 But why don't we begin by talking with Randy Hillier.

00:05:31.940 He and I have a bit of a history.

00:05:33.180 when I was doing property rights advocacy back in the 90s, he started up a group called the

00:05:38.380 Lenark Landowners Association. So he has been a property rights advocate for his entire career,

00:05:44.140 of course, got elected to the Ontario legislature, and has been stirring up a little bit of trouble

00:05:49.180 ever since. Glad to hear it. But Randy, why don't we begin, and perhaps you can tell us,

00:05:53.900 first of all, why it is you decided to start the Liberty Caucus.

00:05:57.660 well it's a pleasure to join you danielle on the western standard and uh we do have a little bit

00:06:04.780 of history we've uh but i've always enjoyed your thoughtful conversations and discussions um so

00:06:11.740 listen we started the uh the end the lockdown caucus uh just over a month ago i called up

00:06:19.980 Maxine Bernier and Derek Sloan and a few other individuals and five of us decided

00:06:28.300 that we should join up in a non-partisan non-affiliated way on a neutral hosted with

00:06:36.220 a neutral platform called the Liberty Coalition Canada and you know it was very evident to

00:06:43.580 myself danielle and i'm sure to you and others that all political parties and all political

00:06:49.980 leaders during covid have actually betrayed their the public and they've and they've surrendered

00:06:57.740 their elected offices to public health bureaucrats and other so-called experts they've they really

00:07:05.820 have abdicated their responsibilities altogether. And I know that there was a number of elected

00:07:15.900 representatives at all levels, local, municipal, provincial, and federal that

00:07:22.380 have different views, but they were constrained and precluded from having an opportunity to speak.

00:07:29.820 So that's where the end of the lockdown caucus is a forum. It brings together those elected

00:07:37.980 representatives who aren't timid and who aren't cowardly and who want to discharge the duties of

00:07:45.580 their office properly. I would say that what we have is a group of statesmen rather than just

00:07:51.980 pawns who have come together in the end of lockdown caucus and we understand that we

00:08:00.140 somebody must defend freedom somebody must defend the rule of law somebody must defend

00:08:07.420 our democracy and justice and um and if not us then who and really that

00:08:15.180 So that was the end of the lockdown. We started with five. We're up over 60. I would like to say, to agree with you that it should be 10 times that number.

00:08:30.800 We also understand there's a great deal of suppression, a great deal of discipline, a great deal of public shaming for those people who stand up and are counted and who dissent with the lockdown.

00:08:47.940 So I'm confident that this will continue to grow.

00:08:52.920 People will see that the facts and the evidence that we bring forward will demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that the lockdowns cause more harm than good, significantly more harm than good.

00:09:06.540 And I think also, I should just say for the people out west, Ontario is in a very confused state with our lockdowns.

00:09:17.240 Here in Ontario, although we have about the same mortality as we have had every year with seasonal respiratory viruses, which is similar across the country, and we have fewer people in hospital than we usually do, and that's mostly because we're not providing the proper medical attention to people and people are too fearful to go to hospitals.

00:09:42.360 But we have 36 different public health units in Ontario.

00:09:48.640 Each of them can have up to five different color-coded restrictions from yellow, green, orange, red, and gray is the progression of greater restrictions.

00:10:01.960 But none of those color-coded frameworks are what we would call normal.

00:10:07.820 All of them have greater restrictions or some level of restrictions more than normal.

00:10:13.800 But to further complicate things, every health unit is permitted to put in additional specific or unique restrictions in each of the health unit areas.

00:10:27.900 So it's very difficult to describe what the restrictions are in Ontario.

00:10:34.980 No kidding. Randy, let me just pause you for a second because someone thinks it's my mic that's giving you some feedback, but it might either be Drew or Maxime's. If you guys can just go on mute while we're hearing Randy because he's got a speakerphone and I think it's disrupting some of his coverage.

00:10:49.400 Although someone else tells me here that I guess in rural Ontario, internet is horrible.

00:10:53.900 So that might be part of the issue that we're facing.

00:10:56.140 I'll go on mute if you guys do too.

00:10:58.020 But Randy, I understand that you can't tell us the difference across the entire spectrum of what's happening in Ontario.

00:11:05.560 But tell us what your day-to-day life is like.

00:11:07.380 Just give us some flavor of the type of restrictions that you're still experiencing.

00:11:12.500 Well, I don't abide by all the restrictions, Danielle.

00:11:17.240 But I would say for many people, masks are mandatory pretty much everywhere.

00:11:24.960 Many restaurants are not allowed to be open or are only allowed to be open for takeout.

00:11:33.260 Many of the retail shops have restrictions if they're allowed to be open.

00:11:38.200 In the grey zone, they're not allowed to be open at all.

00:11:42.180 Otherwise, they will have a restriction of one or two people in the store at a time.

00:11:47.240 This of course does not apply to the big box stores.

00:11:51.540 And we're also having quite a number of places

00:11:54.920 are still under stay at home orders.

00:11:58.100 And you are expected to stay at home

00:12:02.300 unless you have essential business outside.

00:12:05.260 And of course, for anybody returning from overseas,

00:12:08.300 you have the COVID Hilton waiting for you

00:12:11.340 at the Pearson Airport as well.

00:12:17.240 Daniel I think you're on mute let me try that again did we end up there's

00:12:29.240 Randy what about your gyms gyms are a pretty big issue here we actually have

00:12:33.960 AHS inspectors that are targeting some of the small guys and and literally

00:12:39.560 monitoring whether somebody is breathing and working out too hard so that's one

00:12:44.080 the most more bananas restrictions that we have here what's this what's the situation there

00:12:48.560 similar here many of the gyms have significant if they're permitted to be open again if you're

00:12:55.200 in the gray zone you're not permitted to be open at all however otherwise you may have a limit of

00:13:01.840 of five or ten uh in the gym various depending on the color code but it's also you know what we're

00:13:08.960 seeing here uh danielle is uh ministry of labor and public health and police officers

00:13:17.200 going and visiting every small business and checking on them to see if they're in compliance

00:13:25.280 with these public health orders and it really has become everybody has to look over their shoulders

00:13:32.080 because it really is akin to a police state not only if the police may come in knock on your door

00:13:40.800 and check if you have a mask on or or if you have the alcohol sanitizer or whatever other requirement

00:13:49.040 but also we've built up a very callous and very disturbing culture of snitching on one another

00:13:58.320 as well where people are cautious about being seen to together with too many people or people

00:14:06.480 outside of their family for fear of a neighbor calling on them and being subjected to fines

00:14:15.680 uh randy let's go on and let me put you on pause we'll get you back into the full conversation i

00:14:20.160 want to do a bit of a check-in on what's happening in other parts of the country if you can go on

00:14:23.760 mute we'll move on over to maxime bernier the leader of the people's party of canada

00:14:28.320 and Maxime tell us why why it is you decided to join with Randy Hillier to create the Liberty

00:14:33.040 Caucus yeah Daniel thank you very much I'm very pleased to be with you tonight and that was an

00:14:38.560 honor when Randy called me and asked me to be part of that Liberty Caucus because I did a video and

00:14:46.400 I was very very I spoke a lot about ending the lockdowns here in Quebec and all across the

00:14:53.440 country and specifically in quebec as you know we have a curfew so from 9 30 at night until 5 a.m

00:15:00.640 you cannot be out there the last time we had that in quebec was during the flq crisis in the middle

00:15:07.440 of the 1970s so it's draconian measures and i'm i'm fighting for freedom and that's part of our

00:15:15.360 platform at the people's party of canada we are the only party at the federal level uh that is

00:15:20.880 And so for me, it was very easy to be part of that caucus and I'm very happy, but the

00:15:28.640 most important is to give other elected representatives at the federal, provincial or municipal levels

00:15:36.560 here in Quebec or all across the country to speak out and to be part of that caucus.

00:15:41.360 I think the more people will be, the better it will be.

00:15:44.240 So we need to have the courage of our conviction and to speak.

00:15:49.520 You know, it's not normal that in Quebec, we don't have an official opposition that is speaking against these unconstitutional lockdowns.

00:15:56.560 And same thing in Ottawa, the Conservative Party of Canada is not speaking against that.

00:16:01.480 And so we have to be out there.

00:16:03.560 And our role at the end is to change the public opinion, because we know that politicians are governing by polling, by survey, by focus group.

00:16:14.480 And they scared a lot of people in the beginning of that crisis.

00:16:18.120 and now you know people are still supporting these governments who are who are imposing to us

00:16:25.960 lockdowns and and violating our freedom so we need to be out there to explain that and at the end

00:16:33.960 uh you know there's another way to fight that virus that uh lockdowns and curfew and

00:16:40.440 ending our freedom and so that's why for me it was so important to be part of these uh

00:16:46.760 liberty of that liberty caucus i've got i'm monitoring the comments here someone says quebec

00:16:51.640 has a freaking curfew so explain a little bit about how that works because you got caught up

00:16:56.200 in the curfew yourself right yes so i'll give you an example my own example i was actually when i

00:17:02.760 we had that meeting in toronto with randy and direct in order to create the end the lockdowns

00:17:08.920 caucus i was there i took a flight and i was flying back to montreal at eight o'clock from

00:17:15.240 toronto arrived around 9 30 in montreal at the montreal trudeau airport and so i took my car

00:17:22.120 to drive to my home it was about 10 o'clock at night and i've been arrested and a policeman came

00:17:28.680 to me and said what are you doing you don't have the right to be on the road it's 10 o'clock at

00:17:33.400 night so i had to show him my my boarding pass and telling him that i was coming from the airport

00:17:40.920 and I was in Toronto today and showing my boarding pass and he said where are you living and I have

00:17:48.440 to show him my license and he said okay I will follow you up to your home until you you get to

00:17:55.000 your home and I want to be sure that you're going there so you know I was amazed about that but

00:18:01.560 that's the reality in Quebec right now. Talk to me a little bit more about the kind of restrictions

00:18:06.520 that you have because we get bits and pieces here about the different zones that you're in and so i

00:18:12.760 can always i know it can be a bit confusing i'm assuming montreal is probably the most restriction

00:18:17.000 so what is life like there yeah in montreal first of all you can go in a restaurant you have to

00:18:23.480 take out and so the rest are closed for a long time now you cannot go at a gym the gym are supposed

00:18:30.680 to be open this friday but with a lot of restrictions and you have to reserve you can

00:18:36.840 and so it would be uh it would be very difficult for the uh owner of the gyms to be uh to be

00:18:42.600 profitable at the end uh you cannot go to uh to the cinema you cannot go to the theater you cannot

00:18:48.840 you know it's if you're living in montreal right now it's it's not much all that you're supposed

00:18:54.680 to know you know with the vibrant life and nightlife and there's nothing and it's a little

00:18:59.400 bit depressing so they're supposed to reopen a little bit but i'm skeptical about that and we'll

00:19:07.000 see but up to now you know i was running this afternoon outside in montreal and i saw people

00:19:12.760 that were working their dog with a mask outside it's sad you know people are scared because of

00:19:19.960 the propaganda coming from the government and you we don't have the the opposite point of view it's

00:19:25.880 very difficult for us Randy myself to be in the mainstream media and but there's a lot of medical

00:19:32.520 experts that are challenging what these governments are doing to our freedom but it's difficult to

00:19:40.920 be in the mainstream media and there's only one point of view so it's not Montreal right now

00:19:47.720 you know if you want to come and visit Montreal that's not the time thanks for the warning I was

00:19:52.520 thinking about it i think i might want to learn french but maybe now is not the time to go and

00:19:56.760 have the immersion experience i'll wait for another day another time let's uh let's bring

00:20:01.640 it over to alberta because i think i'm experiencing much of of what maxime bernier and and also randy

00:20:08.760 hillier talked about is there doesn't seem to be the full robust cross the spectrum discussion

00:20:14.440 about whether these measures are appropriate whether they work um i know that we've got more

00:20:18.920 a few more political voices so we've got a voice in opposition as well as a voice in government

00:20:23.320 who have both spoken up let's uh let's start with paul hinman first and same question to you paul

00:20:27.720 why did you join the liberty caucus oh we got you on mute there paul if you want to unmute sorry

00:20:35.960 about that the most important thing that we have as citizens is our freedom and countries are

00:20:42.200 brought together and constitutions are, you know, written in a way to protect the life,

00:20:48.740 the freedoms, the property and the pursuit of happiness of individuals.

00:20:52.620 And we've got a premier who continually stands up.

00:20:55.020 And what he's busy protecting is the integrity of a faulty health care system.

00:20:59.760 And he puts all Albertans, you know, to the back burner and say, well, we've got to protect

00:21:04.300 this health care system when he's done nothing, even in this last year, to create a more robust

00:21:08.980 and capability of treating people.

00:21:11.480 and this is just the right thing to do and anytime that freedoms are being lost if we don't step

00:21:16.820 forward and protect those freedoms uh other people's freedoms it's ours it's going to be

00:21:21.880 impacted eventually and and freedom it's just i'm sorry danielle but this is what we have to fight

00:21:28.180 for and you look at world war one and world war two and the you know the fight that we've had in

00:21:32.980 asia and stuff it's always about freedom and tyrants and those individuals totalitarians

00:21:39.080 the authoritarians, they want to strip it away from us. And again, we have a government that

00:21:43.760 seems to think that they have a better idea on how to look after our health, our wellness,

00:21:49.040 our safety. And again, it's not about allowing people to get the information and make the

00:21:55.040 personal risk. This is a tyrannical government that is literally stripping away our freedoms

00:21:59.960 and telling us that we don't know how to assess our risk or how to carry on our lives.

00:22:04.720 And I've met too many business people, whether they're restaurant owners, whether they're

00:22:08.260 hairdressers uh the the gym owners they've been their business and their life has been destroyed

00:22:14.140 and then the number of you know family domestic violence and and just the problems there's no

00:22:21.040 question it's been over and over the the the lockdowns are causing more harm than the virus

00:22:27.020 and and it's just wrong and i'm so grateful for randy uh for starting this up if i if i hadn't

00:22:32.440 been exposed to politicians and that lifestyle i would have had hurt feelings he didn't call me

00:22:37.120 that first five. Thanks for that Paul. Talk to me a little bit more though because we often hear

00:22:44.580 the premier say and I can quote his lines he says oh no we are balancing lives and livelihoods and

00:22:50.860 we have some of the least amount of restrictions of any jurisdiction in Canada and we've had more

00:22:57.860 businesses that have been able to seamlessly operate since the beginning of this than anywhere

00:23:02.080 else in canada you're seeing a little bit differently why is that if we do i saw that

00:23:06.880 we've got someone from peterborough and we've got others watching from the rest of the country

00:23:10.640 put put your perspective on what the premier says why why do you think he's not telling the whole

00:23:16.640 story well i got to start off with what i find most disgusting and wrong with that is when he

00:23:22.480 starts to talk about balance every day and it's not that these aren't insignificant we hear about

00:23:28.160 the impact of covid but he doesn't talk about suicides he doesn't talk about domestic violence

00:23:33.040 he doesn't talk about bankruptcies none of those things count it's only the fear-mongering that

00:23:37.920 covid is causing all the grief and all the pain in the world he's not balancing anything but what

00:23:43.360 he's trying to do is is to bump his numbers up for a higher approval rating he's looked at other

00:23:49.600 provinces and they cut they they they've clamped down and approval ratings gone up and so to me

00:23:55.200 me, he's made a purely political decision. Oh, what have I got to do? Everybody else is having

00:23:59.720 higher approval ratings. I'm going to clamp down. I mean, how many days after we promised and

00:24:05.100 apologized for shutting down and picking and choosing businesses that are essential and those

00:24:10.200 that aren't? I'm sorry, but you talk, every business is essential to that person who owns it.

00:24:15.060 You can't balance that. The worst thing that I ran into, Danielle, is I met a young mother who

00:24:20.960 lost her 16 year old son uh a year well last september because he was so discouraged and

00:24:27.040 decimated that he couldn't go back to school and when we're doing the most harm and the most damage

00:24:31.840 is with our children what we've done to them is it's worse than telling them that the monster

00:24:36.960 lives in the closet is going to come out and get you at night that this fear-mongering that we've

00:24:41.200 instilled on our children it is just it's so so insidious and wrong it's upsetting okay let me

00:24:48.640 then go to Drew Barnes. I know it might be a little bit difficult to hear that kind of criticism of

00:24:53.180 your government and your leader, but I must tell you that we have seen, I'm not sure whose background

00:25:00.060 noise I'm hearing right now. I don't think it's mine, but Paul, if you can go on mute, that'd be

00:25:04.540 great. So, Drew, I guess here's the question. We were supposed to move to step three in Alberta.

00:25:11.800 Now, Alberta's taken a different approach for those of you outside of Alberta, where we ostensibly

00:25:16.460 had some data that we had to reach certain targets, and then we would see an easing of

00:25:21.960 restrictions. The first target was 600 in hospital. We could move to step one. We did.

00:25:27.920 Second target was 450 people in hospital. We moved to step two. It was a delay, but we did.

00:25:34.460 Step three was supposed to be 300 in hospital. Now, I didn't see the update today, but I thought

00:25:38.260 the latest numbers were 280 in hospital. But because there's been a slight reversal, and we're

00:25:43.420 hearing more about variants. I guess there's a mutant double variant in India that we're told

00:25:47.520 we have to be fearful of now. That is being used as a justification not to move to step three. So 0.92

00:25:53.520 we're still in a situation where restaurants are open, but only family groups are allowed to sit

00:25:59.660 at a table, maximum of six people at the table. Retail is only allowed to operate at 25%. We've

00:26:05.960 already mentioned gyms that they're sending out officers to measure how much huffing and puffing

00:26:11.680 is going on obviously none of the theaters are open none of the major event centers are open

00:26:17.600 can't do in-person conferences uh these all of uh can't have banquets all of these things were

00:26:23.440 supposed to be in step three once we met the 300 person in hospital target and we were just told

00:26:31.280 nope not gonna do it with no real timeline for when we are going to do it so drew i i know i'm

00:26:37.200 putting you on the spot here and i know that you're a bit frustrated and you're pushing from within

00:26:40.720 but can you explain what happened why didn't we why didn't we follow the original plan well well

00:26:46.320 thank you for this tonight danielle and and colleagues in the liberty caucus as best i can

00:26:51.760 there was a qualifier on opening to step three and that qualifier was as long as hospitalizations are

00:26:58.640 not increasing uh and that's the justification that's been used for not allowing us into step

00:27:04.160 three now Danielle because we're in the 13th month of this because there's so much fatigue

00:27:10.240 because we're dealing with so many other issues in addition to COVID many many Albertans didn't

00:27:15.840 hear the qualifier of the hospitalizations had to be declining they were solely focused on on the

00:27:22.000 number of hospital beds and like when step two didn't happen remember it was delayed for a week

00:27:27.600 or 10 days the the pushback the the frustration um my concerns for continued compliance the number

00:27:35.520 of people like it's in the hundreds that reach out to my office and and this is this is a tough

00:27:40.000 time but it's also a little bit back to why why i joined the the liberty caucus you know in in

00:27:45.440 cypress medicine hat we are not only dealing with the covet crisis but we're dealing with

00:27:50.080 the mental health crisis we're dealing with an addictions crisis an economic crisis uh there

00:27:56.320 There's a lot of things that families in our community is dealing with.

00:28:01.000 And the thing that I liked about what Randy and Max and others had started

00:28:05.760 was one of the main goals is to review government policy,

00:28:09.900 to review what the government lockdown's policy is,

00:28:13.060 to ensure that we can make it better, make it right, and make those things happen.

00:28:17.440 And that's the issue that if we're going to be dealing with COVID-20 or more waves,

00:28:24.460 My goodness, the sooner that we can fully engage Albertans and Canadians to have this discussion, and as Paul said, about freedoms, the better.

00:28:33.100 And the third thing, you know, Alberta is such a place of opportunity, of conservative values, of prosperity and freedom.

00:28:42.060 I would like, you know, Alberta to be like South Dakota, Texas or Florida, where we're that light of freedom and opportunity and where things are happening.

00:28:52.140 And if that's the thing to do in terms of balancing safety and families and those kind of things, absolutely.

00:29:00.620 And the other reason that ties back into the first one, Danielle, is we only in all of Cypress Medicine Hat right now only have 10 COVID cases.

00:29:10.700 I heard there might be one in the hospital.

00:29:14.000 40 Mile County next door has none.

00:29:17.220 You know, Brooks an hour away, I think, also has none.

00:29:19.880 So an area 400 miles by 500 miles has 10 cases.

00:29:25.240 And whether they're symptomatic or not, who knows.

00:29:31.920 I think we may have gotten Drew frozen.

00:29:34.860 We've had that happen a couple of times.

00:29:37.400 We'll get back to Drew in just a minute.

00:29:39.720 I just wanted to share with you, I'm going to see if I can do a screen share on this,

00:29:43.700 because there has been a group that wants to hold MLAs accountable.

00:29:48.360 they started a poll online two days ago and then they and oh you've got that for me Derek beautiful

00:29:56.100 started this poll two days ago and they ended up with 37,000 responses that took place over the

00:30:02.040 course of of two days so I wanted to just quickly go through these with a bunch of caveats we know

00:30:08.000 that the um that these online polls get shared around by like minds and so it's we need to see

00:30:16.460 a random poll with the proper survey protocol before we can kind of take this

00:30:22.220 to the bank but I think it's an indication I mean it is 37,000 people

00:30:25.160 who felt passionately enough that they decided to fill out this this survey so

00:30:29.300 Derek why don't we just zip through some of the results here if you've got that

00:30:33.220 offers is Derek going to move it or should I do a screen share here oh I

00:30:39.320 thought you were okay we got it up there so I can do the screen share for sure I

00:30:43.100 can this is your screen share yeah so you can you can control that so i can control that right now

00:30:47.820 okay beautiful let me let me just go over and have a peek then and make sure that this is working

00:30:51.580 so this is a again alberta opinion survey survey started the 22nd and these are the results as of

00:30:58.780 march 24th at 9 p.m uh things to make note of most of this uh these results happened within alberta

00:31:06.620 so 37 000 responses approximately 465 were out of the province so they weren't included in the

00:31:12.780 data but you're still looking at 36,500. Here's the interesting thing, I don't know if Drew signed

00:31:17.980 back in but they have got a breakdown by constituency so each individual MLA is going

00:31:25.260 to be able to find out exactly what their constituents think of the action that they

00:31:29.340 have taken. 46.1% are very unhappy with their MLA, 22.8% are slightly unhappy with their MLA

00:31:38.940 and uh only 31 are either unsure or happy and note drew barnes did fare very well on this response

00:31:44.940 only 28 are unhappy with him so a couple things how do albertans feel about lockdowns 71.4 think

00:31:52.780 we should fully open up 14.7 say we should open up slightly and you can even see that in calgary

00:31:59.180 in edmonton in lethbridge and in red deer it's the majority by by a pretty wide margin maybe

00:32:04.940 maybe not quite as large in edmonton how do albertans feel about restrictions 72.2

00:32:10.540 are completely fed up 14 are slightly fed up it's looking like 86 of albertans are frustrated

00:32:17.580 with the restrictions uh mask mandates keep it or lose it in alberta 78.9 want the mask mandate

00:32:24.380 removed and it looks like it's a plurality across or not a plurality a clear majority across all

00:32:30.940 uh regions look at peace river 95 it's a hardcore group up there uh and a lot 72 are skeptical that

00:32:38.460 masks are efficient 80 believe lockdowns don't work or do more harm than good so this is just

00:32:45.020 a snapshot in time of what is uh of what is going on in um you know in alberta based on

00:32:53.580 this i mean you know we see online polls all the time ctv had an online poll goal going around so

00:32:57.740 So I don't know that this is all that much different.

00:32:59.640 I do know that there's a group that's looking at doing some updated poll results, and hopefully

00:33:04.880 we'll get those before next week.

00:33:06.820 I think we're still waiting for Drew Barnes to come back in, but let me just stop that

00:33:11.140 screen share, and we'll go back to having the continued conversation while we get Drew

00:33:15.460 Barnes in.

00:33:16.120 So I wanted to put that out there just to see if that kind of resonates with what you

00:33:21.980 guys are hearing, because you're hearing from constituents, you're getting people

00:33:25.680 contact your office you're getting people emailing so you've seen the picture in alberta is that

00:33:30.560 what's happening in ontario randy or people still lock me down and lock me down harder

00:33:35.120 how do you find the general public is responding

00:33:41.040 i think we need to get you off mute there randy

00:33:42.960 technical difficulties please stand by this one i'd normally go to a commercial break so

00:33:55.340 we might be happy we got we got problems with rural internet apparently elon musk is going

00:34:02.480 to solve that problem for us with this skynet system so let me let me uh randy why don't we

00:34:07.220 put you back on on uh on pause you can maybe call back in and we'll see if we can get you

00:34:12.240 well daniel daniel if you like we can uh briefly run through um the poll that uh western standard

00:34:18.480 can't wait yeah just bite because you're so so derek's poll that was done back in january

00:34:24.240 um had all of those features that we were talking about where's the random sample and you're making

00:34:28.480 sure that it's proper survey results but why don't you show us what you came up with back in january

00:34:34.560 yeah so uh in january we commissioned uh main street research based out of toronto don't hold

00:34:41.840 that against them they're a great research company this is a credible uh big name uh polling firm

00:34:48.240 what they do is they take you know they do the results um but when they release the results they

00:34:53.840 they weight it by region by by sex by age to give a reasonable representation of the population at

00:35:02.000 large so this is not self-selecting this isn't just uh people who might be like-minded uh like

00:35:08.240 us on here if i put up a poll on this chat room right now i'm guessing we'd probably get 99 saying

00:35:15.360 they're against the lockdown i'd be very happy about that but i don't think that's probably

00:35:19.360 realistic so uh let's um quickly look at the results as we go through here uh so we commissioned

00:35:28.640 this poll as i said in early january we released it january 12th uh the poll said that a majority

00:35:37.280 however slim uh supported continued lockdowns uh but there was a very large and growing minority

00:35:45.040 that were opposed now remember most of the mainstream media this time we're saying

00:35:48.080 yeah scroll down a little bit more uh derek we can't see this screen there you go yeah so here's

00:35:52.720 the poll here the most of the mainstream media at the time we're saying that uh everybody supports

00:35:58.240 lockdowns the only people who don't support lockdowns are crazy kooks um well in alberta

00:36:03.360 we found there were 48% who supported continued lockdowns, 9% who supported indefinite lockdowns

00:36:12.000 that would never end until COVID is 100% gone. So people who would, there's a chance COVID will

00:36:20.040 never actually be 100% gone. So there were 9%, I call this the Karens, who wanted it to never go 0.98

00:36:26.620 away. They love lockdowns. These are probably government employees. There were 27% who were 1.00

00:36:32.240 against the lockdowns. One of them ended immediately, but accepted that there should

00:36:36.080 be some restrictions left in place on a temporary basis. And another 12% who wanted the lockdowns

00:36:42.720 and all restrictions entirely whatsoever done away with. What was really interesting is how

00:36:49.440 it broke down along party lines. I always find it useful to try to dive into the data to see

00:37:00.720 not just what people are thinking, but, uh, which people are thinking it. And, uh, what I found is,

00:37:07.020 uh, 58% of those who said they planned to vote, uh, UCP in the next election wanted it, uh,

00:37:14.360 wanted the lockdown ended, uh, immediately another 18% wanted it, uh, gone entirely without any

00:37:21.020 restrictions whatsoever. Just 36% of UCP supporters, uh, supported keeping the lockdown

00:37:27.160 in place in any way. By contrast, 63% of NDP supporters supported keeping it locked up. Well,

00:37:34.620 63% supported lockdowns continuing and then 13% one of those indefinite lockdowns that essentially

00:37:40.640 never end. Unsurprisingly, voters, intended voters for Paul Hinman's party, the Walrose

00:37:46.340 Independence Party, they were overwhelmingly opposed to lockdowns, a large, large portion

00:37:52.720 wanting that ended completely without any restrictions whatsoever. So that's kind of a

00:37:56.960 breakdown of how things stood in early January in Alberta, at least. But I think there are strong

00:38:03.540 indications that the needle has continued to move since. I think you're right. Let me see if it's

00:38:07.480 moving in other parts of the country. So we've got, let me go to Maxime first, because people

00:38:13.920 are asking the question. I mean, we saw video of a 50,000 plus person march a couple of weeks ago,

00:38:20.860 a freedom march, and that seems to be a pretty strong indication that Quebecers have had it.

00:38:25.440 Or do you think that there's still strong support for Francois Lagos' approach?

00:38:30.420 You're right. That was a big manifestation, a big protest, and a successful one.

00:38:36.460 So I was very pleased to see that also.

00:38:39.060 But yes, I think that at the end, the support for lockdowns is going down.

00:38:44.500 I can tell you, you know, I'm in Quebec, I'm in Montreal,

00:38:47.480 I'm traveling in regions in Quebec and outside Quebec.

00:38:50.840 I can see that the public opinion is moving, moving on our direction, in the right direction and more freedom.

00:38:58.120 People are fed up. People are tired.

00:39:00.540 And people realize that after a year, we have the data right now.

00:39:05.900 We know what happened. We know the virus.

00:39:09.000 And so we know how to fight the virus.

00:39:11.300 We know that we must protect the older. 1.00

00:39:13.260 And so I think people realize that.

00:39:17.220 And that's why we have more support.

00:39:19.500 And I'm very encouraging with that.

00:39:21.420 Can you talk to me a little bit about what the psychology is there?

00:39:26.000 I'm sort of surprised that the reason I worry so much about what's happening in Quebec and Montreal in particular is that that is where our prime minister is from.

00:39:35.560 And so if you are looking at the stricter and stricter lockdowns in Quebec, that's going to have an impact on federal policy.

00:39:42.580 So where does that support come from?

00:39:45.020 Are you heavily influenced by France and Quebec because they seem to be the ones that are first

00:39:50.460 going down this path? Is there just this groundswell of support for authoritarian leaders?

00:39:56.940 Is there any polling that supports this? What do you think happened?

00:40:01.420 First of all, I must admit that the provincial government and the federal government also,

00:40:05.900 the Trudeau government, they are taking their data from the World Health Organization and also here

00:40:14.060 in quebec from from paris for sure uh they're looking in other jurisdictions what they're doing

00:40:20.540 and that's that's having a huge influence in quebec but at the end right now i think we have

00:40:27.020 more coverage from what happened in the us south of our border in texas in in florida and people

00:40:35.980 are looking for another way to have their news and they're using more social media that's a good news

00:40:42.780 And I think that that would be the influence.

00:40:44.940 I believe that it would be very hard for the Trudeau government and also for here in Quebec,

00:40:51.340 for the provincial government, for Legault, to impose more lockdowns this fall.

00:40:57.420 People would be used to gaining back their freedom during summertime.

00:41:01.660 And I hope that our discussion and the fact that we are speaking about that

00:41:08.060 and informing the population that will have an impact on maybe this summer and after that it

00:41:15.580 I hope it would be very very difficult for the federal government or any provincial government

00:41:21.180 to impose lockdowns like that in September. So let me go to Ontario again Randy and tell us

00:41:28.060 what what what do you think is inspiring Doug Ford to become so authoritarian you know I didn't

00:41:33.420 expect that I'm trying to think what would have happened if it had been robbed for there and I

00:41:37.420 I just feel like Rob Ford might have taken

00:41:39.700 a bit of a different approach.

00:41:42.320 I did not expect that our conservative premiers

00:41:45.840 would follow this track.

00:41:46.880 I expected them to be more like Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

00:41:50.620 or Kristi Noem in South Dakota.

00:41:53.000 And even Indiana has now opened up

00:41:55.080 as of the last couple of days.

00:41:56.880 So tell us the dynamic.

00:41:59.060 Are you doing any polling?

00:42:00.080 Why do you think it is that your government

00:42:02.540 has gone in this direction?

00:42:03.840 one more uh just need to undo your mute there randy well i'll say if rob ford was the premier

00:42:13.640 we would be in a much better position i would say uh however he is uh um you know part of it is

00:42:21.040 polling part of it is that doug ford's staff and himself both understand that they put themselves

00:42:29.120 in a pickle they uh they know that they overreacted back in march and april and we can be uh forgiving

00:42:37.920 about that you know that was a uncertain period of time but they really have trapped themselves

00:42:43.920 within the and become beholden to the mob that they helped create this we've got a still a great

00:42:51.680 number of people here who are fearful and i would even say hysterical about the danger of the virus

00:43:01.200 and and they've they've been captured doug ford has been captured by this mob and um and as we

00:43:10.080 saw last week in his press conference where he said no political person will disagree with public

00:43:17.600 health it would be akin to political suicide and and wrapping a rope around your neck and throwing

00:43:23.280 yourself off the bridge he's also become beholden to the public health so this is a dangerous

00:43:33.040 position that he's put himself in and for him to get out of it now requires him to be truthful

00:43:42.960 and tell people that he made a mistake for a good long time and they're just not prepared for the

00:43:48.800 blowback and they're fearful that it will cost them the next election if they are truthful with

00:43:55.600 the people of ontario are you like um maxime bernier said are you getting the same kind of

00:44:01.840 coverage now seeping into ontario i mean he's saying people are looking more at florida and

00:44:06.960 more at texas and other jurisdictions that are are freeing up and saying hey why can't we do

00:44:11.920 that here is the same thing happening in ontario oh without a doubt i i don't think it's to the

00:44:16.480 same extent that's happening in alberta with the numbers that you showed up on screen danielle

00:44:22.400 but clearly there is a a significant increase in desire to remove the lockdowns there's a

00:44:31.120 significant increase in people who see that they are more harmful than they are good there's also

00:44:38.320 But we still have a big problem here in Ontario, and I think this is indicative throughout Central Canada in the Maritimes and why we're seeing differences out in BC and Alberta than we are in the rest of the country.

00:44:53.960 You know, we have a very significant white-collar public sector workforce and employment base in Central Canada. 0.73

00:45:05.480 And for many of these people, life is bloody good.

00:45:09.780 They don't have to get dressed in the morning and get in their car and commute.

00:45:15.000 They can stay in their pajamas all day and read a couple emails and get paid every two weeks and their pension keeps building.

00:45:22.120 And, you know, there's a real divide here between urban Ontario and rural Ontario, between white collar, blue collar, and it's hard to really pinpoint where things are.

00:45:38.540 I know that the polling Ford is seeing is showing that he's still in majority territory.

00:45:44.900 and that's really what's driving as long as he thinks he can win with lockdowns that's where

00:45:51.420 he's going to keep his um that's where he's going to keep the caucus parked in lockdown

00:45:57.280 well danielle it's your turn to be on the mute now

00:46:05.980 sorry about that guys um so drew drew let me let me go to you next the end i know it's a

00:46:14.540 tough position and i don't want to get you in a position where you get kicked out of caucus

00:46:18.020 because i i understand that there is kind of a a caucus solidarity but you have broken ranks a bit

00:46:24.860 and maybe you can just give us i'm trying to ask you a question to get some insight without getting

00:46:29.000 you in trouble maybe you can tell us what it is that drove the reversal because the premier i

00:46:36.340 think got a lot of support uh up until mid-november when he was saying he was balancing lives and

00:46:42.660 livelihoods. And I thought he was doing a really darn good job of that. And then wham, just flipped

00:46:48.040 180 degrees and he won't flip back. And I don't know why he's so dug in because he was looking

00:46:54.740 at the right indicators of hospitalization and ICU. We're in no danger of seeing hospitals

00:47:00.880 overrun. We know exactly who's the most at risk. We know how to protect them. We know who's not at

00:47:07.000 risk. We know who we could ease up the restrictions on. We're seeing restrictions ease up in the

00:47:11.820 south what is why is that not influential on the premier's decision making what are we missing

00:47:17.340 that uh that he sees can you get can you shed some light on that well you know not not directly

00:47:23.760 uh you know i'll back up though to uh initially the premier and the cabinet uh the pick cabinet

00:47:30.180 that runs this came out with a regional approach letting the the cities decide their own mask

00:47:35.160 bylaws, letting the cities have some influences. And when that was happening, the polling was a

00:47:43.140 bit higher. Certainly people in Medicine Hat were happier. The Council of Medicine Hat actually

00:47:48.900 voted, some of them voted against a mask bylaw, and that mask bylaw expired in early March.

00:47:54.620 So for some reason, he changed from the regional approach. And the specific reasons,

00:48:01.700 reasons i don't know uh but uh you know there's just uh just an instance going on where there's

00:48:08.520 just so many other things that that we have to deal with and uh you know it's it's been a concern

00:48:14.440 why isn't he persuaded by uh fellow travelers on the in the liberty movement why why isn't he

00:48:21.740 persuaded by ron desantis and christy gnome i would have thought that he that would have drawn

00:48:25.980 him some inspiration and he would have developed a some courage to go the same route what what is

00:48:32.140 why is that not influential on him yeah you know again i i can't speak for him i i don't know uh

00:48:38.380 in question period today though uh health minister shandro did partially answer that a regional

00:48:43.340 approach was somewhere being looked at uh so so that is some good news um you know there's a and

00:48:51.660 And again, that, you know, I think it was Max that mentioned it, our opposition here, the NDP, would even lock down tighter.

00:48:59.460 You know, they call for that all the time.

00:49:01.920 So maybe it's back to just simple politics.

00:49:04.780 You know, and that's one of the reasons that I was grateful when the Liberty Caucus came along and the opportunity to speak up.

00:49:12.640 Cyprus Medicine had constituents, you know, quite respectful, wearing masks wherever they go.

00:49:18.480 But the degree of fatigue, I'm worried about the non-compliance.

00:49:23.580 The last three Saturdays, I've had between 50 and 100 people outside my constituency office in support of what I've been doing, in support of speaking up and in support of more freedoms.

00:49:35.980 And, you know, hopefully that will grow.

00:49:37.840 I mean, it's a big weekend with Easter coming up.

00:49:40.800 And, you know, there's a lot of families, of course, that want to celebrate that.

00:49:44.600 you know one of the things that's really been been you know hit hard here is is the fact that

00:49:51.420 how essential our spiritual health is and you know we ended up with a situation with with the pastor

00:49:56.540 in jail and all the all the in and outs of that just showed that you know that that one of the

00:50:03.700 essential elements of of life our spiritual health you know could have been addressed in a different

00:50:08.680 way and uh you know those those are the things to get right from this minute on and to get right in

00:50:15.000 the future all right drew let me let me turn it over to paul hinman and get your your thoughts

00:50:20.920 on things i mean with that it sounds like they're now sort of reluctantly perhaps maybe looking at

00:50:26.040 doing a regional approach it sounds like in quebec and ontario they already have a regional approach

00:50:30.520 do you have any more insights about what happened why the flip and and why uh the premier seems to

00:50:36.040 have dug in and won't go back to the same kind of balance he had before you're on mute there paul

00:50:45.560 there we go thank you i i think the most significant one is is that this whole thing

00:50:50.280 has been by by polls and um public opinion and it's not driven by the science the data that

00:50:58.120 that's out the window and and so when you start doing that it's like the wind it changes your

00:51:03.480 course changes and there's nothing set. I mean, he had all these goalposts. As soon as he got to

00:51:08.880 them, they were thrown out the window. And I think he's just purely driven by the fact that what have

00:51:14.320 we got to do to gain popularity? What are people thinking? What are they wanting? I know that

00:51:18.900 they're polling all the time and he comes out with his numbers. They don't, what would I say,

00:51:23.760 align with the more independent ones. But yet that's what he's using for guiding. But the bottom

00:51:28.720 line is is that people need their freedom and and what people that are wanting the lockdowns and

00:51:34.720 stuff fail to see is that they have their freedom to stay home they have their freedom to wear a

00:51:40.160 mask out there that they want to point the finger and and blame that that you're the curse of

00:51:45.360 society you're the one that's causing the problems and we need to remove these elements from for the

00:51:50.800 benefit of the good of the group and and they're losing on the individual and like i say the only

00:51:55.760 individuals that they count and they do it you know anonymously are the covid responses when when

00:52:01.840 the harm is being done like i say to our children to business people to families it's just it's just

00:52:08.800 unbelievable that all those numbers are not being looked at when he says he's balancing things

00:52:13.920 there's nothing to balance when you don't say the numbers they don't say that look we had 15 opioid

00:52:19.440 deaths in the last day or anything else it's just it's just covid and so they've lost perspective

00:52:24.560 They're doubling down. This is what I want to say tyrants and politicians do, is they just want to keep doubling down, thinking they're going to get out of this.

00:52:34.580 But this is no different than the fact of the deficits. They get away with deficit spending year after year after year, and they've never hit the wall.

00:52:43.260 unfortunately the deficit of our loss of our freedoms is going to hit a wall much sooner

00:52:49.500 and again the tragedy of it and the crisis that it's going to cause and is causing is just beyond

00:52:57.520 acceptance and we've got to stop that it's a real problem let me let me go to randy again randy i'll

00:53:04.500 just remind you to take your mute off before you start speaking but maybe you can answer

00:53:09.440 answer the question as well about where you get your information from that has caused you to come

00:53:15.320 to a different conclusion. Our listeners know where I get the information on from because I

00:53:19.720 shared as much as I could while I was on the radio. Dr. R.A. Jaffe, I had him on twice, but I've also

00:53:25.640 had David Redman on who was the lieutenant colonel. He used to be in charge of emergency management

00:53:29.740 here. We did a segment with Dr. John. He was my guiding light through the past year telling me

00:53:36.420 what studies made sense, which ones didn't keep me out of the ditch, telling me what was the

00:53:40.140 promising research on therapeutics. And then we interviewed three doctors yesterday who took a

00:53:45.780 different view on lockdown, that the lockdowns are just going to be far more devastating to

00:53:50.280 public health and mental health than COVID. And also putting it into perspective that the people

00:53:56.260 we know who are the most at risk are those over the age of 75 with multiple pre-existing conditions.

00:54:01.660 And if you're under 50 and healthy, you're at less risk than influenza.

00:54:05.120 So the audience is tuned in.

00:54:07.740 We are aware of all of that.

00:54:09.140 We are exposing ourselves to alternative information.

00:54:12.120 Where are you getting your information from so that we know why it is you take the view that you do?

00:54:17.400 Well, that's a good question, Danielle, because you can't get it from the mainstream media as a rule.

00:54:24.160 There's there is such a dissent and suppression, such a suppression of dissenting views that you have to go out scouring and looking for what people are saying.

00:54:36.740 But but they're out there. The former chief medical officer of health in Ontario, Dr.

00:54:42.240 Richard Chavez, has spoken quite critically about these lockdowns.

00:54:45.940 Of course, there's eminent medical professionals around the world with the Great Barrington Declaration and Michael Yeadon, former chief scientist at Pfizer, have all spoken out highly critical of these things.

00:55:03.100 But it does take a fair amount of time of looking to find these individuals, like Dr. Roger Hodkinson out in Edmonton.

00:55:13.980 When I showed his YouTube, I did an interview with him on YouTube, and YouTube banned me for 90 days for doing so.

00:55:21.780 So, you know, I have a great many doctors here in Ontario that I talk with, as well as across the country, as well as a great many eminent scientists and professors in Canada and outside.

00:55:39.080 And but for the for the layperson, it can be very difficult to find the dissenting views and the actual facts and evidence, because the mainstream media is certainly not going to give dissenting views and facts adequate airtime.

00:56:01.080 airtime. That's without question. Yeah, and as I observe that too, I would say that the post

00:56:07.140 media chain is doing a really good job of allowing people like Brian Lilly and Anthony Fury to

00:56:12.180 interview doctors and give a broader perspective. So that's a positive development. But let me put

00:56:17.440 it to Maxime Bernier, because I agree with Randy, it is really difficult to get good, credible

00:56:23.920 information. Doctors are afraid to step forward and offer their viewpoint because they're getting

00:56:29.840 threatened by their college of physicians and surgeons are getting threatened that their

00:56:34.400 hospital privileges might be revoked i mean everybody's on the uh at everybody who is in

00:56:39.840 the medical profession gets paid by government so we we're not getting the full range of views

00:56:44.800 that we otherwise would on this issue so how do you how do you get balance where do you get your

00:56:49.120 where do you get your information from maxine but i must say that you know um i was uh speaking

00:56:55.360 actually a couple of days ago with John Corpé is the head of the

00:57:04.480 well now we've got a freeze in Quebec see there you are this is what's

00:57:10.740 happening we can't get the information out to you frozen let me I don't know

00:57:17.260 if we have to get Maxime to to dial back in we may have to but let me let me get

00:57:22.400 the two Albertans to weigh in on this because Drew you've taken a quite a different view from

00:57:27.580 your from your caucus and your leader on this where is it that you're getting your information

00:57:31.860 from well think reading things like the great parenting declaration it's nice to see two or

00:57:39.900 three papers out the last little while stating the the effects of the lockdown are worse than

00:57:45.880 the effects of the virus. But a lot is owed to, you know, some really strong Albertans and really

00:57:52.700 strong people like Dennis Modry, like the Colonel Dave Redmond, who reached out and spoke up and

00:58:01.000 told me their way of looking thing and made a start to ask answers, you know, ask some questions

00:58:06.480 and look for answers. Every day, Danielle, I probably get between five and 10 Albertans send

00:58:11.980 me something that you know is concerned about about everybody in society but realizes that

00:58:18.300 you know there's more than just covid that we have to deal with and uh and then when you know

00:58:24.060 when the mental health thing hit in medicine had and it hit hard uh and i understand we're not the

00:58:29.020 only community of course it it it made me realize how important it is it made me realize that

00:58:34.220 something had to be done and i'm honored to speak up i'm paid to speak up so i so i wanted to

00:58:39.420 I'm glad to hear you say that. Paul, where are you getting your information from as

00:58:44.320 well? Because I guess the point is that it's, I understand that there's suppression, I totally

00:58:48.820 get that. But if I've been able to find alternative opinions, and I'm just a member of the media,

00:58:54.400 you guys are in public roles, you're getting emails from political parties, this is not

00:58:59.300 hard information to get. And so a lack of knowledge on the part of Premier Jason Kenney

00:59:05.200 or Premier Doug Ford or Premier Francois Legault, that doesn't fly with me.

00:59:09.820 They could seek out the information if they wanted to,

00:59:12.260 and I just want to know where you're getting it from.

00:59:13.720 So, Paul, where do you get your information from?

00:59:16.440 Well, I'm going to say that the three that have been the most helpful,

00:59:19.320 it's always good to go local.

00:59:21.140 And, again, with Dr. Dennis Modry, Dr. Jaffrey, you have Dr. Hutchinson.

00:59:27.860 They've been awesome in speaking out.

00:59:29.860 And, again, I mean, they've received, like Dr. Hutchinson shared me his letter

00:59:34.600 that the College of Physicians has sent to him

00:59:37.840 and other physicians on speaking out.

00:59:40.520 And so I totally agree.

00:59:41.880 I think it's shameful that our own government

00:59:43.820 hasn't put out this information every day.

00:59:47.040 That should be their job is to gather this information.

00:59:50.540 And again, you listen to Christy Noam, she has it.

00:59:52.440 There's so many doctors down in the States.

00:59:54.320 I mean, I really liked the testimony of Dr. Corey Perry

00:59:58.260 when he went before the Senate and others

01:00:01.640 and the great Barrington Declaration.

01:00:03.440 All of those ones that you're talking about, they're out there and they're available, but they're being dismissed.

01:00:08.720 And the censorship, I mean, I've been kicked off of YouTube because of this as well and been de-platformed.

01:00:14.860 And so the censorship is just unbelievable.

01:00:17.800 But the sad thing is, is that there's still too many people that are trusting Henshaw and Kenny that, oh, they're there for us.

01:00:26.940 And they don't realize that, no, they're not there for us.

01:00:29.740 They're there to protect their little fiefdom and what they're trying to do, and it's just appalling that they're not bringing these other alternative views or allowing them to say, you know, people should look at these because we should have been doing a lot more research.

01:00:43.420 Again, even with therapeutics, there's no reason not to be having those going on in our own province, in our own senior care facilities, and showing that, no, the results are very positive, and yet they're not doing it.

01:00:54.460 But it's out there. You go on the internet, you start looking. It's difficult. But again, you know, there's just so many names out there. And again, when you go to England or Ireland, there's a doctor. Germany, there's lots of speaking, people speaking out there and they're forming groups.

01:01:10.500 And you just need to Google search it. And there's lots out there that haven't been deplatformed yet, but it's getting more and more difficult. And again, they're certainly cutting down on our ability here. And the censorship is just shocking to me. It's as bad as the fact that the government won't protect our freedoms and again, destroying people's lives and their livelihood and claiming that they're trying to balance it when they don't look at the individual that they're running over and saying,

01:01:39.960 well that's all part of the balance it isn't all right i want to do a a video from michelle

01:01:47.800 rempel and i think i've done my share screen correctly but i think we need to get derek to

01:01:53.400 put it in perfect so let me let me uh just sort of set this up for you because michelle rempel

01:01:58.760 put forward a motion in the house of commons where she she's calling on the government to 0.86

01:02:04.760 find a way to safely, gradually and permanently lift the COVID restrictions. She's not talking

01:02:11.000 about getting back to some kind of new normal that everybody keeps referring to. She wants

01:02:16.040 the old normal that we used to have. And I want you to hear the argument and why it is she put

01:02:20.760 this motion forward. And then we're going to get our panel to weigh in on what their proposals are

01:02:26.680 for how you get a data-driven approach to return to a safe, gradual and permanent lifting of all

01:02:34.680 COVID restrictions. First, let's hear what Michelle Rempel had to say. This was her setting up the

01:02:39.620 motion explaining why it is. She decided to put it forward in the first place. She asked a question

01:02:44.040 in the House of Commons and was not very happy with the answer. So here she is.

01:02:49.860 Yesterday in the House of Commons, I asked the health minister what I thought was a very simple

01:02:54.520 question, a nonpartisan question, which was when can fully vaccinated seniors give their

01:03:01.360 grandchildren a hug. And the answer that we got back from the health minister a year into the

01:03:08.240 pandemic was, could be summarized as, I don't know, I'm not sure I want to tell you about this.

01:03:17.480 I think it's a provincial jurisdiction, but I'm going to give the province's advice.

01:03:21.680 And that's not what Canadians want to hear. I think that that answer encapsulates best the

01:03:27.980 need for this motion. We're a year into COVID-19 and enough is enough. A year ago, you know,

01:03:36.120 Canadians from coast to coast pulled together and said, yeah, we've got to shut down the economy.

01:03:42.920 We've got to undertake these restrictions to buy public health experts and all of us here in this

01:03:51.280 place, provincial governments, municipal leaders,

01:03:54.400 buy us time to figure out what COVID-19 was,

01:03:58.100 how it spreads, who is most vulnerable,

01:04:00.180 and develop tools to permanently combat it,

01:04:03.280 like therapeutics, rapid tests, and vaccines.

01:04:07.600 And a year into the pandemic, those tools now exist.

01:04:14.380 The problem is, is that in Canada,

01:04:16.720 we have not had clear guidance from our health officials on the circumstances on which widespread

01:04:26.380 mass lockdowns can safely end. She's totally, totally right. And so let's see if we can fill

01:04:32.860 some of that information gap here. I don't know if we've got Maxime Bernier back, Derek, do we not?

01:04:38.260 Doesn't look like he's with us. So we may have to continue on without him. If he joins us, we'll

01:04:44.360 we'll get him to weigh in on the conversation again but but randy do talk about that because

01:04:49.020 that i think really does summarize what what my frustration is fair enough i'm not going to blame

01:04:55.280 you back in march and april of last year when everything was confused and you didn't know and

01:05:00.820 we had problems with procurement and we didn't have rapid testing and we weren't really sure

01:05:05.040 what antivirals and what anti-inflammatories might work and there wasn't a vaccine in sight

01:05:10.060 But fast forward a year later, we have all those things. We have approved rapid tests that are easily deployable. We have a range of therapeutics from vitamin D to the hydroxychloroquine zinc, azithromycin mixture to ivermectin to colchicine to various other anti-steroids or steroids and other anti-inflammatories.

01:05:29.380 And we also have four vaccines that are now improved, including Johnson & Johnson.

01:05:36.300 So the world today is 100%, 200% different than it was a year ago.

01:05:43.360 And so why can't politicians say the world has changed, therefore we change along with it?

01:05:49.240 This is what I'm confused by.

01:05:50.560 So did you find Michelle Rumpel-Garner's argument compelling that we do have these tools now?

01:05:58.300 and so now it's time to take a different approach? Well we've had these tools for quite some time

01:06:02.540 Danielle. We've known the evidence. Unlike the catastrophic and the apocalyptic models

01:06:11.260 in March, you know we have a year of actual data and evidence. So we know what the danger is,

01:06:20.060 who's at danger, and who is not. We also have a year of evidence of really good treatments,

01:06:26.220 and we also have a year of of building herd immunity as well and that's why we're seeing

01:06:34.180 very very few hospitalizations um so you know even the uk ministry of health they have a

01:06:44.080 a specialized medical team called the health advisory and recovery team heart and let me

01:06:52.160 just read from and they just put out a document two weeks ago as a study in in the uk and this

01:06:58.700 is an official government body and it says here um all international studies bear out that lockdowns

01:07:08.700 have proven to be a complete failure as public health measures to contain a respiratory virus

01:07:15.460 They called for a return to the lockdown-free pre-COVID-19 pandemic plan.

01:07:24.820 And that's, you know, that's what we ought to be doing.

01:07:28.580 That's what the evidence points out.

01:07:30.620 And we have the pre-COVID-19 pandemic plan.

01:07:35.240 Colonel Redmond has made that available far and wide through many presentations.

01:07:41.440 So we have the data.

01:07:44.000 We have the evidence.

01:07:44.960 We know what the plan should be. It looks a lot like what we were doing before March of 2020. And a couple of minor differences, of course, for long-term care and a few other specialized or specific areas within society.

01:08:03.580 But otherwise, the evidence says we should go back to normal, which was also safe.

01:08:12.220 Before COVID-19, we conducted ourselves safely.

01:08:16.260 So, you know, I think Michelle Rempel has laid it out.

01:08:21.160 I think it's very clear.

01:08:23.000 All the evidence is very clear.

01:08:25.980 Why will the politicians not do this?

01:08:29.280 Listen, there is a lot of money at play here.

01:08:32.460 A lot of people would find it astonishing just to see how much money is in play here with our governments.

01:08:40.160 Between big pharma, between all the testing, the vaccines, public health is awash with money.

01:08:48.880 Our hospital associations are gaining bucket loads of money on new builds and renovations.

01:08:55.840 So there is a vested interest to keep this pandemic going.

01:09:03.420 for the for people's self-interest it's being exploited the politicians need to find the

01:09:11.180 backbone they need to find the spine and the courage to turn off the taps and not allow the

01:09:18.860 public to be exploited any further let me go to uh paul hinman now and see if if he'll echo some of

01:09:26.220 those sentiments so i mean i i appreciate the fact that um and i again i'm not going to hold

01:09:33.180 um uh anybody at in in negative light for march and april i i felt at that time because we had

01:09:40.540 enough information coming out of italy and and china to know that it was those with pre-existing

01:09:45.500 conditions and those who were aged who were most at risk but you know what you never know things

01:09:49.980 could develop differently i get that but it became very very clear uh with the abundance

01:09:55.340 of evidence that that was the case and to me we could have ended up going uh lockdown free as

01:10:01.340 soon as we hit the summer and the caseload ended up declining and and just done focused protection

01:10:07.020 once we had a new respiratory virus season in the in the in the fall and winter so i'm still a little

01:10:13.340 bit perplexed with knowing that there are these therapeutics out there in case somebody gets sick

01:10:18.300 knowing that you can take a vaccine as a preventative if you're one of those high-risk

01:10:22.380 groups, and I think we keep bragging that we've got all the high-risk groups with at least their

01:10:26.060 first shot, and then rapid testing on top of that, that you're able to at least target the

01:10:30.940 long-term care facilities so that anyone going in and out, you'd be able to know right away

01:10:35.100 whether they were infected. It seems like these are enough tools, so what am I missing, Paul?

01:10:40.620 Well, I don't think we're missing anything, and it's very alarming the way she phrased it,

01:10:46.860 But, you know, and I do agree, back in March and April, it was a little bit scary.

01:10:51.820 You know, the video that they were showing was certainly scary for people.

01:10:57.380 But even back then, when they originally were putting out that number, they didn't say every day that, oh, my goodness, we've had 20 deaths.

01:11:02.940 And by the way, 19 of those deaths were in long-term care facilities with people with three or four more coexisting problems.

01:11:09.820 They didn't ever do that.

01:11:11.000 And government's job should have been to give confidence and hope.

01:11:14.800 and instill instead all they do is instill fear and they put the numbers out there in such a way

01:11:20.120 to instill fear again I'll keep saying what they've done to the grandchildren who are afraid

01:11:25.680 to go see their grandparents now and again I've talked to several grandparents my mother included

01:11:31.260 this isn't living being in isolation my mother deteriorated terrible over the year of isolation

01:11:37.600 and and it was not good for her health the harm was done she's since passed away and and again

01:11:44.460 And it's just terrible that that last year and the last week I was finally allowed to go in without having to try and cheat the system to go see my own mother because they said, well, like she's at the end.

01:11:57.080 And it's just wrong. You know, you can't get together for a family funeral.

01:12:00.300 Everything that they're doing is wrong.

01:12:01.760 And to say that, oh, we now have a vaccine so they can come in.

01:12:05.440 I mean, this is an experimental vaccine.

01:12:07.700 We don't even know the repercussions.

01:12:09.200 And the biggest problem that we're doing, and what scares me the most, is that we're taking away our innate immune system and something that has protected humanity from the beginning.

01:12:20.040 And we're saying that that doesn't work anymore.

01:12:21.920 But what we'll do is give you a specific vaccine for a specific virus.

01:12:26.300 And so you won't get the broad spectrum.

01:12:28.620 You know, your body's not going to respond to this.

01:12:30.720 And again, the lockdowns have delayed the inevitable to where now, if in fact we have a breakout, how bad and how severe is it going to be?

01:12:39.200 And again, in the year that the government has done nothing, if they needed more respiratory

01:12:43.180 therapists, there was a lot that they could have been training in a year, they could have been

01:12:46.740 building facilities, we could have so much of more robust system, where we even separate and

01:12:51.920 have facilities that are purely for treating people with COVID. So we don't have to shut down

01:12:55.900 our main facilities. And they've done nothing except for continue and perpetuate the fear

01:13:00.500 mongering and the scaring. And it's just wrong. And no, I don't agree with Michelle, we don't

01:13:05.480 need to wait 20 days. We don't need new numbers. We need to recognize the fact that this is like

01:13:10.040 every other virus that we've had, and sometimes more people are affected, but the young and our

01:13:16.140 children, they should be in school. They should be singing. They should be dancing. They should

01:13:20.100 be out doing their sports, and we're not allowing them to do any of that, and no, I disagree that

01:13:25.320 we need to open up and then practice that focus protection for seniors, but even that's been

01:13:32.280 over the top and not in their best interest we'll talk about that in just a second as well because i

01:13:37.240 want to know what a better approach would be for focus protection but i see maxine bernier is back

01:13:41.320 and i i was going to have played the michelle rempel quote and then go first to him but we lost

01:13:46.520 him so let me just summarize the quote that i played for for you maxine mike she talked about

01:13:51.640 asking the health minister when are we going to have grandmas able to hug their kids again

01:13:57.000 or their grandkids again and the health minister came back and said well i don't really know it's

01:14:00.840 kind of provincial jurisdiction but her point was you know maybe march april we didn't have

01:14:05.720 all the information but now we have therapeutics that we know can be effective we have rapid

01:14:11.000 testing so that we can quickly identify somebody who's sick and we have the rollout of vaccines

01:14:15.160 four of them we're in a different world now why can't we develop a a plan within 20 days for how

01:14:22.440 we get back to as she's describing it safe gradual and permanent end to lockdown restrictions so

01:14:29.160 i just wanted to get your response to that what did you think of her speech in her motion

01:14:33.480 yeah first of all about the motion danielle we don't need a plan we don't need the 20 days we

01:14:39.080 need to act right now we have all the data that virus is out there for a year now we know who is

01:14:46.760 affecting and it's that that's the older so we need to protect them but also it yes we must admit

01:14:53.320 that it's a provincial jurisdiction health care it's a 100 provincial jurisdiction but the federal

01:15:00.360 government has a big role to play and the federal government right now the trudeau government is

01:15:06.440 encouraging provinces to have draconian measures lockdowns curfew curfew like we have in quebec

01:15:14.440 and so what michelle rampall must ask and aaron o'toole must do is to act right now and asking

01:15:21.640 the federal government to stop encouraging provinces to take these draconian measures

01:15:28.520 first and the way to do that is to stop all funding coming from the federal government

01:15:34.440 the federal government is giving grants and subsidies to businesses and to individuals

01:15:40.680 because of this lockdown so just stop the funding and i can tell you that provinces will look twice

01:15:47.720 before imposing another lockdowns and we don't need also these hotel the cove 19 hotel jail that

01:15:55.400 we have right now so um we need action right now so a plan we don't need a plan we have all the

01:16:02.200 data right now the federal government must encourage provinces to stop these draconian

01:16:08.520 lockdowns by stopping to give them money and all these programs that the federal government put

01:16:15.080 forward that must end so that would be good and we will be able to be free again but at the same

01:16:22.760 time that will help to fight the huge deficit that we have right now at the federal level

01:16:29.000 so it's a little bit late asking for another 20 days and another plan we don't need a plan and

01:16:35.480 that's not under the federal jurisdiction the federal just has to stop giving money to provinces

01:16:41.000 and i can tell you in alberta and quebec in ontario they will stop these lockdowns rapidly

01:16:47.800 let me i missed your answer to the other question because your computer froze i was wondering where

01:16:51.800 you get your information that is informed how you're looking at this issue because it may be

01:16:57.000 that in quebec and i'll say that there are different scholars and it's a different and more

01:17:01.800 robust conversation than is what what's happening in in the english speaking part of the country

01:17:07.480 can you can you tell us why it is that you came to the conclusion that you did are there some

01:17:11.400 doctors or medical uh medical advice that you can direct us to yeah for sure you know i'm i'm looking

01:17:18.440 at the some expert in quebec some doctors that are very prominent doctor uh working for uh

01:17:24.840 university of montreal and other university in quebec uh they're they're dissident they're

01:17:29.880 challenging the financial government but the most important for canadians they must go to the justice

01:17:36.360 center for constitutional freedoms they have data coming from statistics canada and so we know that

01:17:43.240 lockdowns are hurting more the population than the virus right now and so also on their website

01:17:50.600 as you know the justice center for constitutional freedoms uh he is suing and they are suing some

01:17:57.800 provincial governments and so they have expert testimony from expert on their website there's a

01:18:04.040 lot of good information over there so i'm encouraging people to go and see that information

01:18:10.200 on their website it's all about information on our country coming from statistic canada there's

01:18:16.120 another way to fight that virus instead of having curfew and lockdowns okay let me go to uh to drew

01:18:22.760 barnes now because um i think that the answers that came out of that question and that debate

01:18:29.000 is that and i have it in front of me health minister patty haidu

01:18:32.840 said that the it was the premier's job so it's the premier's job to to make the

01:18:37.960 changes and not the federal government she said

01:18:42.040 that it shows a lack of confidence in public health officials

01:18:45.480 her motion does a lack of understanding of the jurisdictional right and

01:18:48.600 responsibility of provinces and territories

01:18:51.320 to deliver health care and to protect the health of constituents

01:18:54.360 kevin lateral the parliamentary secretary to the government house leader

01:18:57.480 responded saying provinces are responsible for putting in place covid 19 restrictions

01:19:02.680 is it the conservative party's policy that Ottawa should start overriding provincial jurisdiction

01:19:07.560 so all of this keeps saying it's up to you it's up to you it's up to you uh we've got nothing to

01:19:12.280 do with this and yet we do also know that the prime minister was musing about imposing a federal

01:19:19.480 emergency and taking the decision out of the province's hands we know that we're 100 reliant

01:19:24.840 on the federal government to get our vaccine allocation we also know that they approve rapid

01:19:30.040 tests and they get to approve a variety of therapeutics for potential use we know that

01:19:36.120 they have the ability to shut down our airports and put people in covet hotels and we also did

01:19:41.560 see a backbench liberal np musing that any premier who reduced restrictions could face

01:19:48.040 criminal sanction so in we're getting a mixed message from the federal government and i'm

01:19:52.760 wondering what your perspective is on this because I feel and you can correct me if I'm wrong I feel

01:19:58.360 like part like the premier is being held hostage here and part of the reason why he's taken the

01:20:03.360 view that he has is because the pressure that is being put on him by the federal government and

01:20:07.000 then they keep denying it tell me tell me your perspective yeah very very similar thanks for

01:20:11.560 that and first of all a shout out to Michelle for contributing to the solution I mean a year ago

01:20:16.900 with the Buffalo Declaration she took some risks then and did things so I'm so glad she's continuing

01:20:21.620 to do that yeah Canada has got so many layers of government so much government and and we have a

01:20:29.280 system where the feds take money out of Alberta and then put it back but they put conditions on

01:20:34.660 it we're in a situation where all provinces are borrowing deeply now and and I think most of the

01:20:40.540 bonds are being bought by the government of Canada so that creates some you know some some constraints

01:20:47.200 and some restrictions absolutely that more provincial oversight rather you know more

01:20:54.160 when you have two bosses nobody's in charge let's put the provinces in charge and let's give them

01:20:59.200 them resources to do it but but let's look at that danielle that's one of the things that a

01:21:03.920 lot of cypress medicine hatters and albertans have have suggested great concern to me you're

01:21:08.320 in alberta our alberta health services and our alberta health are up to about 25 billion a year

01:21:14.560 you know that's 45 percentage of the of the provincial budget and we're in the same spot

01:21:20.120 we were at 13 months ago where we're unsure if we can handle surge capacity if if there is a whole

01:21:26.840 bunch of need for extra surgeries uh you know emergency surgeries or or essential surgeries

01:21:33.280 even even a covid spike um the medicine at hospital as an example i think has two floors

01:21:39.840 that are completely vacant, and at the same time, we're shutting our whole entire economy

01:21:46.060 down because of the healthcare. It makes one wonder. Back to what other people on the panel

01:21:54.500 said, yeah, so much good information there, but in Florida, they've had a five-minute

01:21:59.380 rapid blood test for long-term care workers for a long time. On your way into work to

01:22:05.000 take care of our seniors who are prized possessions and are most vulnerable, they've known for

01:22:11.020 a long time that a five-minute rapid blood test will protect them.

01:22:15.160 And let's talk about the consequences of all this.

01:22:19.040 I mean, the mental health and what it's done to families is so sad.

01:22:23.300 But the CIBC was out about a week ago.

01:22:27.500 There's about $100 billion extra money sitting in Canadians' bank accounts.

01:22:36.140 And this money, you know, will be spent and it will be inflationary.

01:22:40.720 Look at how much the cost of food has gone up.

01:22:43.520 Lumber has quadrupled.

01:22:46.180 You know, even canola, you know, which is the oil for frying our chicken wings has gone crazy expensive.

01:22:53.600 we are we are headed to to some huge costs and and if that continues how does the central bank

01:23:02.760 how does the government of canada control inflation by increasing interest rates is the

01:23:06.800 way can you imagine if interest rates had to go up two or three points um you know there's other

01:23:12.540 ways of course the government can take money out of the economy and we saw the globe and mail

01:23:17.060 suggest one last week starting to tax canadians on the gain on our principal residents i mean

01:23:24.340 what element of our life doesn't have some element of taxation from one of the levels of government

01:23:29.620 now that's about the only one left although municipalities and property taxes are already

01:23:34.100 there so so what are the ramifications for all this for for down the road you know albertans

01:23:41.700 our youth we need to be able to plan we need to be able to progress we need to be able to build

01:23:46.500 and and you know let's let's let's make it so so that we can they can have that opportunity

01:23:52.820 and and these are the things that uh you know politicians and and and and journalists will be

01:23:59.700 talking about for a long time as they affect every level of our society look this is what i don't

01:24:04.820 understand and i'll go back to we'll sort of go east to west again i'll go back to maxime to get

01:24:09.380 his his comment on this a reckoning is coming like you you can't keep people suppressed with

01:24:16.580 information you cannot keep the truth from coming out you cannot avoid the consequences of all of

01:24:22.900 the borrowing and spending eventually the chickens come home to roost and so why would they think

01:24:28.820 that there isn't going to be a a much greater political consequence down the road once we all

01:24:33.620 realized they did nothing to mitigate some of the things that drew was talking about so let's then

01:24:39.380 let's then talk about that maxine because if you were prime minister what would you do how how

01:24:44.420 would you if we parachuted you in to this current situation and you said okay stop everything we're

01:24:51.300 gonna take a totally different approach tell me what your plan would be you don't need 20 days

01:24:55.140 to come up with it you got it now what would we do oh sorry maxine you're on uh you're on mute go

01:25:02.980 ahead one more time yeah okay sorry i'll give you an example when i was industry minister

01:25:10.100 you know i had my civil servant that was giving me advice and also i had my private sector

01:25:16.180 economist and you know four time on five i was listening to private sector economies and each

01:25:22.820 time that i had to take a decision we had a debate and the best one won and the best one was almost

01:25:29.700 all the time the private sector economies so i'll do the same thing you know i i would have done the

01:25:35.220 same thing as prime minister have your your civil servant but also expert from outside the government

01:25:41.940 and we know now we know that that's yes in the beginning maybe we didn't have all these data of

01:25:48.020 all the information that we have right now but you know why doing lockdowns when it was an experiment

01:25:55.540 an experiment that failed we never did lockdowns for a health crisis and so that was the first

01:26:04.740 time so i'm not the kind of a guy that wants to try something for for the first time and being

01:26:10.100 the first one to try it i think i will have challenged a little bit more my civil servant

01:26:15.220 and without any lockdown just protect the older that must have been the solution in the beginning

01:26:20.180 and a lot of experts said that in the beginning also to protect the orders

01:26:24.260 actually in quebec 85 percent of the debts in quebec it's coming from the long long term senior

01:26:34.020 home and that's that's the government home government long term long term senior home so

01:26:41.140 the government of quebec is responsible and directly of 85 percent of the debt so why

01:26:47.700 shutting down our economy and you're right danielle to say that's a huge cause and now

01:26:53.300 what happened the bank of canada is printing money and when you print money you'll have inflation

01:26:59.860 yes drew said we have inflation right now with our grocery and it's coming and we may have five

01:27:06.340 six percent inflation uh in a year that's a cost inflation is a hidden tax it's it's the worst of

01:27:14.020 all the taxes the federal government does does not have the courage to tax people for all that

01:27:21.060 spending that like these huge deficits that the federal government is doing instead they are

01:27:27.460 printing money and we will pay because we'll have this we'll have our dollar in our pocket

01:27:32.820 but we won't be able to buy the same amount of goods and services with that daughter so that's

01:27:38.580 why it's a kind of a tax and now the federal government and provincial government are looking

01:27:43.860 at the short term and they try to do everything that they think is right right now without that

01:27:50.660 looking at the future and they're saying for them you know money it's falling from the sky there's

01:27:55.780 no problem but we will all pay for that we will all be poor for that because of bad policies at

01:28:03.140 the federal and provincial level and that's why we need to fight and that's why i was very pleased

01:28:08.500 to be part of the end of dance caucus and fighting for more freedom because that's the only solution

01:28:15.060 okay i want to find out a little bit more about what those long-term consequences will be but

01:28:18.980 let's see if we can get some specifics about how each of you would respond if

01:28:23.360 you were handed this situation today would you just do I'll go to you Randy

01:28:27.020 would you just do what they did in Texas where they basically did a press

01:28:31.280 conference and said okay we're passing an edict as of tomorrow a hundred percent

01:28:35.480 of businesses will be allowed to open 100% or where you just pass a law pass

01:28:39.860 an edict and say okay the mask mandate it's over or you just do what Ron De

01:28:45.720 santa said and and said that uh that everybody is allowed to make their own uh their own choices and

01:28:51.640 not and he actually forbade his municipalities from overriding the decision at the state level

01:28:58.440 and imposing additional restrictions so i'm just throwing those on the table to get your feedback

01:29:02.920 what would you do go ahead randy yeah i would rip the bandage off uh danielle like that is we need

01:29:09.800 to face up that that is the that is where we ought to be i do want to just make another point

01:29:18.120 that max brought up a real good point the provinces are doing this in large part not

01:29:24.360 just with the money that is being incented by the feds to the provinces to do it but also by our

01:29:31.560 federal public health agency and dr tam like they are really setting the stage that would put the

01:29:39.800 provincial chief medical officer of health in a predicament uh in a professional predicament

01:29:47.400 if they were opposing dr tam as well so for the feds to step back and say that this is the

01:29:54.760 provinces that's wholly disingenuous without a doubt but but going back you know we know that

01:30:03.800 even if we got ripped the bandage off today all canadians are going to be experiencing a

01:30:11.880 significant reduction in their standard of living you know with a 400 billion dollar

01:30:19.080 federal deficit huge deficits throughout every province the increase in the monetary supply

01:30:28.680 We've seen here in rural Ontario, in much of rural Canada, we're seeing a hyperinflation on real estate values, a hyperinflation in the stock market.

01:30:41.340 And people need to realize that what they have today is probably the best they're ever going to have for quite some time.

01:30:53.960 There's no other way around this.

01:30:56.660 our productivity levels have gone in the toilet in the last year our economic uh our economy has

01:31:04.020 shrunk our our deficits have increased our tax base has diminished so there is a reckoning company

01:31:13.620 coming um but it's going to be better and it's not going to be as painful if we rip the bandage

01:31:23.860 off now and allow the data the evidence and the science guide us to what the solution is and that

01:31:33.140 is a free market a free country and uh and and we don't need to wait any longer to decide the

01:31:44.500 evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt we are our hospitals here in just to give you an example

01:31:52.100 So, Danielle, here in Ontario, we have about 400 people in hospital with COVID.

01:32:00.180 But we have to understand we also have 24,000 beds capacity here in Ontario.

01:32:07.200 The COVID component is hardly measurable.

01:32:12.240 And even at our very peak last April, the most people we ever had in hospital with COVID was 1,300.

01:32:22.100 and at that time we had built up our capacity with field hospitals to over 30 000 beds so

01:32:29.780 there's a reckoning company and we better uh we better brace ourselves but it's it's going

01:32:36.420 to be a lot less painful if we do it quick and fast and and for politicians just to say

01:32:45.220 listen we made a mistake but now we know better and we're going to get back to living free

01:32:51.380 like free canadians ought to all right thank you for that randy let me let me go to drew because

01:32:56.260 you know drew i think that we are now we have now have such stockholm syndrome that we're prepared

01:33:02.580 to just oh please just let us move to step three just please let us get a little bit more of our

01:33:08.500 freedom back i'm prepared to wear the mask i'm prepared to continue to have some of the the

01:33:13.220 restrictions delayed like i i'm i'm just wondering uh what about the credibility of the ucp government

01:33:20.420 because if you set bars out and then you keep on moving them you end up getting people saying you

01:33:27.060 can't trust the government i know all kinds of people who just aren't even following the rules

01:33:30.660 right now which isn't what you want you want to maintain law and order but if you can't trust

01:33:35.300 government to make it's uh make good on its commitments then you're not going to have that

01:33:40.660 kind of uh of continued compliance so so tell me drew what do you think the government should do

01:33:45.940 right now should they just commit to meeting opening up with the targets that they've said

01:33:50.960 or should they rip off the band-aid as Randy and Maxime have said well I think they should go

01:33:56.420 regional we've got many counties many areas with no cases certainly in Cyprus medicine had and my

01:34:04.080 area there's very very few we absolutely need to open it up on a regional basis we need to have

01:34:10.120 some some involvement with people in the two big metros to see what what they think is best

01:34:15.080 you know local people make the best decisions but I am so much involved I'm a believer in opening it

01:34:23.560 up we're in the 13th month now and it's time to do that you know a couple of other thoughts

01:34:29.680 you know who's taking it harder in this on the chin in this pandemic than our small business

01:34:36.840 people you know the CFIB had out the other day that the average small business has maybe taken

01:34:41.920 on 180,000 of debt, you know, 50% of them may not reopen. A small business in Alberta

01:34:49.380 pays 12% tax, 2% to the province, 10% to the feds. I would immediately end the 2% small

01:34:56.680 business tax. I know it's small, but it will give them a glimmer of hope to get back to

01:35:01.440 work. And we certainly deserve, you know, they deserve at least that. Randy said the

01:35:06.920 word productivity, you know, Energy East, Northern Gateway, you know, I know that's federal. I know

01:35:15.640 there's other provinces involved. You know, you look at a cargo ship stuck in the Suez Canal or

01:35:21.640 the Panama Canal rather, and the prices are going up because of that. You know, when are we going

01:35:28.280 to realize that we have these resources and if we're going to be a country, let's work together.

01:35:33.580 The vaccine and pharmaceuticals is another perfect example.

01:35:37.800 Wasn't it the European Union today or yesterday playing with some law to not export vaccinations?

01:35:45.240 And we, of course, delegated that to them.

01:35:49.600 We have so many opportunities for our people who are risk takers, productive and good to get involved in these things.

01:35:57.800 Government just has to get out of the way.

01:35:59.520 uh and um you know i uh and other jurisdictions are leading the way i love what florida did

01:36:06.140 i'm always a believer in giving families people and businesses choice if you want to stay at home

01:36:11.820 and wear a mask do it if you want to go out and engage in a normal life please do it uh danielle

01:36:18.040 the toronto blue jays season openers in arlington texas and it's a sold-out stadium wow that's

01:36:23.980 something i uh it was the suez canal you were right the first time but i understand yeah because

01:36:28.960 was a as i understand it was a japanese uh ship that had left from china carrying goods from

01:36:36.560 taiwan on route to holland and it was flagged in pan in panama so that's i guess sort of gives you

01:36:42.320 an idea of just how global the market and you're quite right it does look like it's going to be

01:36:46.880 wedged out of there for weeks so i don't know what happens when you disrupt 12 of international trade

01:36:53.840 for weeks i think we're going to end up with uh even more serious problems of inflation we i don't

01:36:58.720 I don't know if anyone wants to weigh in on that,

01:37:00.580 but I wanna go back to Paul

01:37:03.460 and see what your view is on this.

01:37:06.440 Do you think that the regional approach

01:37:09.500 is one we should take?

01:37:10.600 Here's the challenge that we have.

01:37:13.020 The public has been in such a state of fear for so long.

01:37:17.560 I think politicians now need to baby step,

01:37:20.320 walk everybody off the brink

01:37:22.960 and get them back to some kind of sense of normalcy.

01:37:25.620 and i don't know if there's a would be widespread public support if jason

01:37:29.700 kenny came out and did what we've seen in some of those states in the united

01:37:32.820 states just 100 allowing businesses to reopen i

01:37:36.660 think they'd be quite happy if he just lived up to the the the

01:37:40.740 staged reopening plan that he put forward what do you think do

01:37:43.780 you see it differently

01:37:46.740 yes i truly do see it differently and i i agree with what they're saying rip

01:37:50.820 the bandage off but but there's a couple things i guess

01:37:54.580 basically. I actually believe in people to have faith in their assessment on what their health

01:38:03.280 is and what their wellness is and what their safety is. And by ripping the bandage off,

01:38:07.920 it doesn't say that everybody's got to go out and go to the gym tomorrow and exercise for a half

01:38:12.080 hour. Those people who have the confidence and the ability and the health to go do that can.

01:38:17.420 We don't need government monitoring and deciding every aspect of our lives. And so by ripping the

01:38:22.880 bandage off, there will be a slow transition because many people are paranoid and won't go

01:38:27.420 out to do those things, but let the public do it. But probably what scares me the most and hasn't

01:38:32.160 been mentioned here is what the government really needs to do is actually pass legislation

01:38:37.480 protecting individuals. And again, I guess I should say back our constitution of our freedoms

01:38:44.080 and our property, starting with our own body. But what we need is to actually have legislations

01:38:49.240 where businesses are going to be fined or criminally charged if they're going to force

01:38:54.560 people to take vaccinations or not come in here. We need to start protecting the individual from

01:38:59.180 big government because they want to impose it. And then businesses saying, oh, you can't come in here

01:39:03.660 or this. Look at Israel and the state they're in with a vaccine passport. We need to start 0.92

01:39:10.260 protecting the individual, not just rip the bandage off, but tell all these people that we've

01:39:15.220 instilled so much fear in these corporations and saying it's their civil duty is to say whoa whoa

01:39:19.900 whoa back off if you start pointing a finger and demanding people to do these things we're going

01:39:24.600 to be charging you we need to protect the individual we need to allow freedom and and again

01:39:29.620 all those other things that they're talking about inflation and the impact and again you know the

01:39:34.040 most important thing that we always talk about local economies is to buy local and and again

01:39:39.440 energy security is so paramount and yet we've been locked in here and we've got this this hate and

01:39:45.740 the supreme court you know just ruled against the carbon tax and yet so okay let's bring stuff in

01:39:51.480 you know from venezuela from saudi all of these rogue nations and stuff bring in which hurts our

01:39:56.120 economy with the inflation now more than ever we should be looking at northern gateway energy east

01:40:01.380 we should be doing all we can the eagle spirit energy corridor and working with our first nations

01:40:06.080 there's so many opportunities that we could have if we just backed up and said you know what

01:40:10.240 we're wrong uh we need to let people have their freedom and then they can assess their risk and

01:40:15.040 we're going to support them in that and we're not going to allow this intrusion and liberty that's

01:40:19.920 been lost any longer all right i want to understand where we're going with this because i i know where

01:40:27.920 you want us to be but i fear that you've got the politicians going in the exact opposite direction

01:40:33.760 so Maxime just you know give it to me straight up are they keeping us locked down until after easter

01:40:39.520 they cancel christmas are they cancelling easter too is that why the fear machine has amped up

01:40:45.280 again is because they want to justify either continued lockdowns or greater lockdowns to

01:40:50.560 see us through easter when all of us would be getting together and finally hugging our family

01:40:54.240 is that what's happening here first i hope that easter would be able to be all together with our

01:41:01.280 family and doing what we want to do but you know what the government the federal government and

01:41:07.920 these provincial government are doing they're politicians they're looking at for we said that

01:41:12.720 at the beginning of that discussion they're looking at polling they're looking at focus group

01:41:18.880 and now there's a movement people are more are more aware of of the situation and i think you know

01:41:25.360 we will be freer at easter and during summertime but the other question that is more more important

01:41:32.560 also is all the question on vaccine uh do we think that we'll have in canada mandatory vaccine

01:41:39.600 personally uh you know uh i'm against a mandatory vaccine uh you know i won't take and i'm not

01:41:47.120 taking and i won't take the kobe vaccine i'm 58 years old i'm in shape i'm running marathons

01:41:53.760 and i don't need to have that vaccine and our policy at the people's party of canada

01:41:59.200 we believe in freedom of choice and people must be free and responsible and we don't want any

01:42:06.480 canadians to be obliged to take a vaccine so that would be an important debate i think the next phase

01:42:12.880 of all that covid debate will be the question of vaccine because i think we will succeed to end the

01:42:19.920 lockdowns and the curfew in quebec but after that the big debate is on vaccine and and we must

01:42:26.960 fight against mandatory vaccine in this country let me let me post that uh randy as well because

01:42:34.400 we get we keep getting such mixed messages from the prime minister saying oh my goodness we

01:42:38.960 wouldn't possibly consider that and then the next step he says well maybe we should consider that

01:42:42.880 and they've been polling like mad ever since the beginning to ask if people should have a mandatory

01:42:48.240 vaccine or there should be vaccine passports so i have to say that i i wonder if the pollsters

01:42:54.480 are guiding public opinion as opposed to reflecting the actual sentiment because i don't even know why

01:43:00.080 they'd be asking that in the first place but give me your sense what what's going on here are they

01:43:04.960 i know everything was sort of geared towards keeping everybody from traveling during the

01:43:09.760 spring break but is is that what they're trying to do is to prevent us from seeing families at

01:43:14.240 easter and then they'll ease up or is it we've got to keep the the fear campaign going so that

01:43:19.760 we can we can bully and pressure and ostracize people who don't want to get vaccinated what's

01:43:24.800 happening here what's the politics well listen from what i see uh danielle uh i would say that

01:43:31.520 we will be in unless people vigorously assert themselves we're going to see ourselves in

01:43:39.040 lockdowns for not months but more additional years this is not there's no indication that i see

01:43:49.360 that there's any desire by any government uh certainly not in central canada anyway

01:43:55.760 to to let up on lockdowns or or to let up on controls and we're seeing this from public health

01:44:03.920 that these variants in third waves are all more dangerous so they're saying even though the

01:44:12.480 evidence suggests otherwise we had the uk health minister back a month ago saying that he expects

01:44:25.440 that the lockdowns will still be in place in the uk is until the spring of 2022 so um you know i'd

01:44:36.480 love to be optimistic and hope that we get the lockdowns removed by easter i think we may see

01:44:44.000 some short-term alleviation to try to quell the uh increasing protests but um i'm i'm very confident

01:44:54.080 saying the more that we obey the more that we comply with these lockdown measures the longer

01:45:02.160 they're going to last there will be no incentive or motivation for our governments to quell the

01:45:10.720 fear in the mob and no incentive or motivation not to take advantage of the fear that they're

01:45:19.120 uh instilling in the mob so i i see this politically for a great number of political

01:45:27.760 parties and political leaders that they're quite happy to keep this state of fear in play

01:45:36.240 and and certainly public health and big pharma and big tech they're all

01:45:40.400 um willing to see this uh keep in play i would say the the mainstream media

01:45:47.440 um enjoys the uh the lockdown measures they've been benefiting handsomely as well so i think

01:45:55.600 there's just too many people benefiting um and who want to keep these uh restrictions on our

01:46:03.040 freedoms in place and i would go along with paul and maxine's comments the vaccines are the key to

01:46:14.320 this that's one of the keys that the government is looking at but they themselves have even said that

01:46:20.480 you will continue to have to wear a mask there will have to be continued restrictions even if

01:46:26.000 you have the vaccine the vaccine is not a cure it's it's one additional way that they're going to

01:46:34.160 keep this a high in the conscience level of the public because they're even stating that

01:46:42.480 you will have to have yearly vaccines for various variants that are coming out so you can see that

01:46:49.280 this is a permanent and perpetual pandemic that we have created for ourselves and and like as paul

01:46:59.680 said we have to start protecting the freedom and the sovereignty of the individual that i am the

01:47:08.640 one who decides what gets injected in my body not some health bureaucrat and we have to ensure

01:47:16.320 because we've seen it already here in Ontario. Many people are being fired or being prevented

01:47:22.720 from continuing to work if they haven't been vaccinated. We're seeing many people getting

01:47:28.960 fired and let go from work because they have a medical disability that prevents them from wearing

01:47:35.920 a mask so our governments are allowing corporate canada and and small business to run roughshod

01:47:47.040 over the freedoms of everybody and we need to start going back to basics as elected representatives

01:47:54.400 that are first and foremost our job is to protect and protect the freedoms of individuals and uphold

01:48:02.560 our constitution um not instill fear into the population well randy you've just terrified me

01:48:10.920 with that statement so um let me see if one of the other panelists has a more optimistic view

01:48:17.160 of what's going on i've got a number of people who um and i want drew to for you to go next to

01:48:22.980 see whether you agree with what randy has said or and maxine maxine says watch for it mandatory

01:48:29.360 vaccination is coming randy says the same thing and people are going to get fired from their jobs

01:48:33.360 if they refuse to get vaccinated um he thinks the mask mandates and the restrictions are going to

01:48:38.480 go on for years i've got people saying why don't you call this what it is the great reset but you

01:48:43.120 know what i never thought that our premier jason kenney uh subscribed to carl or to uh to uh klaus

01:48:50.400 schwab's view that we have to use this pandemic as an excuse to transition away from fossil fuels

01:48:56.880 and to change our entire society and get rid of free enterprise capitalism so i'm perplexed i

01:49:03.120 mean if anybody um loved freedom um uh if i if i was to deter if i was to point to a politician

01:49:11.840 who i thought loved freedom more than any others i would have pointed to jason kenny this is why

01:49:15.920 it's a disconnect for me i don't understand because i understand the the the theories about

01:49:20.720 why some of the more left-wing authoritarian politicians want to do this i don't understand

01:49:26.380 why freedom-loving uh conservative politician would want to do this so so fill in the blanks

01:49:30.840 for us uh drew is is this going to be a perma lockdown uh i don't believe so but danielle this

01:49:39.220 is why joining the the anti-lockdown caucus for me was so crucial back to the stated main goal

01:49:45.560 to review government's policy and approach to the lockdown and the virus and all that's happened.

01:49:52.280 We have a lot of work ahead of us, you know, the Western Standard, and you do as well,

01:49:57.800 and Albertans and Canadians, we have to get involved and we have to make sure these things

01:50:03.480 happen. Two years or so ago, I started a little bit of a quest to help develop the Constitution

01:50:10.900 for Alberta in writing I guess technically we have one that's the jury prudence and all the

01:50:16.520 all a whole bunch of older older laws and stuff but we need a constitution to to protect

01:50:24.680 individuals and families from from the overreach of government is is one example and to help define

01:50:30.300 our culture you know Premier Kenny has stated that he is not going to make vaccinations mandatory

01:50:38.640 Of course, you know, there's other things that can happen with corporate policy and those kind of things.

01:50:46.060 But again, you know, the Great Reset is moving everything to the left.

01:50:51.720 But I'm hoping that Albertans, I'm hoping that many of us realize that this is also an opportunity to make things more free,

01:51:01.700 to focus more on free enterprise families and and self-reliance uh trusting each other and those

01:51:08.180 kind of things um you know there's um you know government got so big so quick uh government

01:51:14.820 stepped into so many areas um and at times we haven't reviewed it we haven't looked at the

01:51:20.260 effectiveness uh and you know we're going to pay the price for this down the road there there's no

01:51:25.060 doubt uh so again the anti-lockdown caucus uh every single uh albertan that's interested

01:51:32.980 needs to get involved it needs to make make things happen and and needs to be heard um and and you

01:51:38.420 know the premier's accountable uh you know there's an election every four years i'm accountable the

01:51:44.180 same way um there's there's you know an opportunity for for that to happen um what the future brings

01:51:51.540 You know, I don't know, but, you know, when I go to Medicine Hat and I see it around other

01:51:58.460 parts of Alberta, you know, people that have been complying fairly good for 13 months still

01:52:06.320 wearing their face masks, although I don't know too many that give their right name and

01:52:10.580 phone number when they go to a restaurant, but that's a whole other story.

01:52:14.420 And, you know, they want to focus on getting this behind us, protecting those that were truly vulnerable and a new direction where, you know, we in a democracy where we where we are rewarded for self-reliance, for taking care of those that need it.

01:52:34.580 You know, the conservative values,

01:52:36.560 I like to fall back to

01:52:38.840 truth and charity.

01:52:40.740 Let's get the real truth about this

01:52:42.260 out over the next little while.

01:52:43.760 Let's give everyone a chance to

01:52:45.700 have an honest say.

01:52:47.360 And as always, we'll take care of

01:52:49.040 each other.

01:52:50.040 Let me let me put it to you, Paul.

01:52:52.520 Do you think that the

01:52:54.320 politicians, regardless of political

01:52:56.300 strife, are all angling

01:52:58.440 to find a way to make this last

01:52:59.840 forever? Or do you think that they

01:53:01.340 are genuinely looking for a window

01:53:03.700 where they can open up and reduce restrictions?

01:53:07.780 Well, I don't think that I know too many

01:53:10.160 that are looking for a window.

01:53:11.240 They're looking for excuses to hold it down.

01:53:13.240 This is like deficit spending.

01:53:14.980 They haven't paid the consequences.

01:53:16.760 And again, Drew, I'm gonna give the invitation to you.

01:53:19.680 I wrote to all the UCP MLAs before,

01:53:23.420 but we need 20 of you, 23 of you to say end the lockdowns.

01:53:27.400 We're not gonna sit in caucus.

01:53:28.760 We'll go sit as independents until the lockdown

01:53:31.140 province-wide lockdowns are done and again make the amendments to recall so we can actually hold

01:53:35.960 people accountable not in two more years but tomorrow and start collecting signatures where

01:53:41.260 50 plus one of the the number of last voters is credible and can get it for 120 days but

01:53:48.420 we're begging the UCP MLAs need to stand up those that know that it's wrong join this and then step

01:53:56.700 outside, take away the majority government from Jason Kenney and say no more. We're going to

01:54:01.340 protect Alberta's freedoms. We're going to protect businesses. We're going to protect those religious

01:54:05.660 freedoms. We're going to allow people to exercise their own due diligence and be responsible for

01:54:10.640 their health, their wellness, and for their safety. It's not government's job. Government's

01:54:15.800 job is to protect the individual and to make sure there's a level playing field. And no,

01:54:21.120 we we need those elected uh individuals to step forward and say no more because the rest of us

01:54:27.600 all we can do is sign go to rallies sign uh you know petitions and then that's not good enough

01:54:33.120 when you don't have accountability through recall and jason kenny's recall bill is just an absolute

01:54:38.240 it's an insult to albertans all right we'll get uh we'll get drew to respond to that but um i

01:54:45.200 want to do one last round going uh east to west starting off with maxine bernier and maybe giving

01:54:50.720 us the federal perspective. We know what we want to see happen, but so many of us don't know what

01:54:56.080 is the most effective way to make a difference. And what I'm observing with these rallies that

01:55:01.720 are occurring is that the media is zeroing in on the one wingnut who has a racist sign or a racist

01:55:10.300 banner holding a tiki torch, and then they're trying to paint everybody there as a pack of

01:55:16.720 Racists and so people are saying oh, I don't know that I want to go to those protests you fill out a poll result

01:55:22.620 But does it make any difference you call your MLA or your MP? They don't respond to you

01:55:26.720 So Maxime, what what do you think needs to be done? What is the

01:55:30.760 Tangible way that any one of us can can compress the case?

01:55:36.060 First of all, I think we all know that

01:55:38.860 If you take for granted your freedom, you will lose it and we must not do that anymore

01:55:45.000 more. And I think we did that in the past. So we must act. We must be active. I know that, you know,

01:55:52.120 maybe you think that it won't be efficient, but if you go to a rally, to a protest, and more people

01:55:59.120 would be out there, the better it would be. I'm asking Canadians to speak to their friends, to

01:56:04.660 their colleagues about what they think and acting. And that's why I'm part of that Freedom Caucus.

01:56:12.300 and it's so important for us it's important that you express your point of view you try to have

01:56:19.280 debate and discussion with your friends about all that and i i like to be optimistic about that but

01:56:25.880 if we don't take our freedom personally and fight for our freedom we may have lockdowns for a long

01:56:32.760 time so i i and the the data the data are on our side the the we have the medical experts that are

01:56:43.000 saying the same thing that we are saying we must be out there we must speak i know danielle that

01:56:48.600 you know if you call your member of parliament maybe you won't react but if a lot of people

01:56:54.440 i'm sure that that was going to be do we have one darn it if a lot i think what he was going to say

01:57:05.680 is if a lot of people act at once then you will question their premier or their prime minister

01:57:10.440 we we must be out there and do what we have to do fantastic thank you so much for that maxime

01:57:16.080 bernier i appreciate you being with us today randy hillier what practically can people do

01:57:20.880 like you're putting your money where your mouth is you are you've been arrested you've got you've got

01:57:25.520 fines and and potential jail time facing you is that is that i mean do you recommend that route

01:57:31.520 or are you regretting that you that you've taken it that far everything why don't you tell us what

01:57:35.600 happened what why is it that you uh you've got a court date and the potential for a year in jail

01:57:39.600 and a hundred thousand dollar fine well i tried for about 10 months to uh provoke the government

01:57:47.040 to arrest me uh danielle and eventually i was successful at the end of november last year

01:57:53.760 and um the charge that i'm facing is a potential hundred thousand dollar fine and up to a year in

01:58:00.800 jail and no i don't regret it uh the only thing i regret is i still haven't been able to have my day

01:58:06.800 in court um but i'm going to get there because i know when i get in court they i will defeat

01:58:14.800 the government and the courts will nullify these charges and and that's something that everybody

01:58:22.240 should see we saw it out in alberta where kenny withdrew about 1500 charges a week or two ago

01:58:28.080 all the charges in ontario none of them have been allowed to come to court yet because the government

01:58:33.680 knows that these laws will be nullified and they're obstructing uh having these charges

01:58:40.640 and matters actually heard but i'm going to say a couple things of course it's always important

01:58:47.280 for people to contact their elected representatives and i and i mean that at every level right from

01:58:54.000 our municipal councillors and mayors through uh mlas and mvps and up to federal members

01:59:00.320 but let's also not forget the public health units and let's not forget our school board because

01:59:06.560 there's a lot of tragedy being caused by those two specific levels of government as well

01:59:15.760 but yeah a lot of people know that i'm involved i have a the no more lockdowns.ca site and we're

01:59:23.680 distributing lawn signs across ontario we've put out over 20 000 lawn signs now next week we're

01:59:30.480 putting up electronic billboards in uh in southern ontario we've developed volunteer teams in all the

01:59:39.520 many of the local communities to deliver postcards in people's mailboxes to circumvent the mainstream

01:59:46.080 media we have postcards uh that are facts versus fears that we're dropping off in people's mailboxes

01:59:53.920 there's many things that people can do but most importantly and and what you can do

02:00:00.080 of course has to be consistent with your own abilities your own circumstances your own capacity

02:00:08.480 but you have to know this as long as you're complying with dishonest and unjust laws

02:00:19.200 that dishonest and unjust law will remain right as long as there's compliance

02:00:26.800 we're we are going to have a problem hopefully we will get to the point soon

02:00:33.360 but people have to assert ownership of their freedoms and the best and only person that can

02:00:40.320 do that is yourself when you when you get up in the morning and you you want to know who's going

02:00:47.760 to do something to protect your freedoms and to get our country back out of this very dark and

02:00:54.640 dangerous path is you have to look in the mirror and and that's the person who is going to do it

02:01:02.320 and i would really encourage people to take off the mask if you don't believe that it's

02:01:09.040 effective if you believe the science yeah i did a poll uh online danielle and i put out a poll

02:01:17.360 are you wearing the mask because you're fearful of the virus or because you're fearful of being

02:01:22.800 shamed in public and 90 percent of the people said they're wearing the mask because they were

02:01:29.760 fearful of other people's judgment only 10 actually feared the virus so people need to

02:01:40.880 assert that they are free individuals and when they do that this whole fakery an exaggeration

02:01:52.400 of of our response to covid will come to an end but i don't think it'll happen until we make it

02:02:01.120 happen well randy i've got a lot of people saying bravo you're a hero you were the first you've uh

02:02:06.800 you've really stepped up and thank you for coordinating with all of the other like minds

02:02:10.960 to put the organization together we appreciate your work on that and uh so nomorelockdowns.ca

02:02:16.720 if you want to check that out let me go to paul hinman now and paul what what's your practical

02:02:21.760 advice for people? How should people be acting? What should people be doing? How do you make a

02:02:26.960 difference? Well, first of all, thanks, Danielle, for hosting us tonight. Thanks, Randy, for creating

02:02:32.360 the Liberty Caucus. And that's really what it's about, personal independence. I remember when I

02:02:37.080 was young, I was so excited to turn 16 and get my driver's license and have some independence to

02:02:42.680 move around. When I was 18 and became an adult and personally responsible for my actions and could

02:02:47.460 do that is great. Freedom and independence is what has made the world as great as it is where

02:02:52.340 we see it. And we've lost our freedom. We've lost our independence. Alberta Premier Kenney needs to

02:02:58.300 be taking all the steps necessary for us to become an independent nation. We should be having and

02:03:03.980 collecting our own taxes and the federal taxes here. We should have our own police force. We

02:03:08.480 should have our own Alberta pension plan. We have our own environmental act, our own immigration 1.00

02:03:13.240 policy all those things need to be taken now and we need to have the people my invitation and

02:03:19.060 encouragement is is to go to our website wildrose.party and to join up if you want to send

02:03:24.380 a message to premier kenny you want to send a message to trudeau join wildrose.party and become

02:03:31.040 a member make some donations they see that every quarter what what the numbers are doing and that's

02:03:36.060 the best message i think that you can send to them but the people as randy has said as maxine

02:03:40.580 that says we need to stand up. And my biggest fear is we need to stand up and against those

02:03:45.300 corporations and start punishing them for saying, if you don't have the vaccination, if you don't

02:03:50.660 do these things, we're taking away your freedom, your choice on experimental vaccination that we

02:03:56.320 don't know whether it's going to work or not. I've talked to doctors that are working in senior

02:04:00.860 care facilities. They've all received the double shots. They're all still wearing masks. They still

02:04:05.520 can't have people come in. There is no end to this unless we stop and say no more. The lockdowns

02:04:12.020 need to end, rip the bandage off, allow people to exercise their own personal independence,

02:04:17.760 look after their wellness, and it's not the government's job. The government's job is to

02:04:22.380 protect our independence, our freedoms, not to strip them away and say that we're not capable

02:04:26.680 of making those decisions. So stand up, speak out, otherwise this won't end. And again,

02:04:32.160 and the best thing that we have right now

02:04:34.280 because of our current provincial government

02:04:36.540 is recall in 2023.

02:04:38.400 They need to be fired and sent out of here 0.76

02:04:40.640 and go live in your own prisons, 0.88

02:04:42.360 but don't tell us that we have to live in yours.

02:04:45.280 All right, thank you for that, Paul Hinman.

02:04:47.500 So as he said, they do look at the poll results

02:04:51.500 and the horse race question and the fundraising.

02:04:54.080 And so that's another way to send a message.

02:04:56.980 I've got Melissa saying,

02:04:58.580 you really do need to give extra credit to Drew Barnes

02:05:01.840 because he is sitting in a caucus, he's speaking out,

02:05:05.600 and he's got the toughest position of all

02:05:08.000 in trying to bridge that divide

02:05:09.660 from where the Liberty Caucus wants to be,

02:05:11.880 but still be a constructive member of caucus.

02:05:14.080 So we are so grateful for you, Drew,

02:05:15.860 that you are fighting the fight from within.

02:05:18.160 Tell us what would be influential on your colleagues.

02:05:21.320 What is it that your colleagues need to hear

02:05:23.380 from their constituents to get them to be as brave

02:05:26.800 as you and Angela Pitt have been in stepping up,

02:05:29.220 saying even if it's just a regional approach so that we have some measure of hope we can look

02:05:34.500 forward to what is it that that we need to do to help some of your other colleagues make that

02:05:39.160 decision well thank you Danielle it's exactly that it's speak up uh when the government of

02:05:46.040 Alberta didn't move fully into step two about two or three weeks ago you may recall that uh

02:05:51.960 we were on the front page of the Calgary Sun the six-pack there was six of us that stepped up and

02:05:58.120 asked premier kenny and the government of alberta to move more to to what was promised uh when they

02:06:04.500 originally put out the steps uh and what a week later they did uh uh today one of my colleagues

02:06:11.300 from northern alberta stood up and asked for a regional approach in in the legislature uh another

02:06:16.740 one was uh monday or tuesday of this week uh and danielle it always starts with the same they've

02:06:22.380 heard from their constituents their constituents have told them that this is what they've wanted

02:06:26.380 and they've expressed support and they've expressed concern.

02:06:30.860 Other Canadians, other Albertans are stepping up.

02:06:34.040 I've been contacted by three or four that are starting

02:06:37.100 or looking at starting a class action lawsuit.

02:06:40.380 You know, there's many pros and cons of that,

02:06:42.860 but that is one of our free and democratic rights.

02:06:46.060 So by all means, push back where you can.

02:06:49.420 Make it happen.

02:06:51.160 And let's not forget that this isn't just a one election thing.

02:06:55.300 this this is needs to be a movement this needs to be part of of your family life your kitchen table

02:07:01.220 talk some some families have that great opportunity to to talk about politics and current affairs and

02:07:08.420 and make things happen but but not everybody has the same level of interest and uh you know i i

02:07:13.700 look at i look at the left in in my 10 years in politics um you know they've they've they've

02:07:20.100 marginalized so many things about about politics and and they've made it hard to speak up at times

02:07:25.380 because sometimes it becomes about the person rather than the issue you know those kind of

02:07:29.700 things um and you know what one of my challenges is you know like i've had some people say to me

02:07:36.340 well you know if that business person has a different view from me politically should i

02:07:41.620 support them and and my feeling is yes i mean uh business is separate from politics

02:07:47.460 but you should also have that same ability as that business person to to get involved just to post

02:07:55.180 somewhere what you're thinking at the end of the day a democratic system is one vote for everybody

02:08:00.360 and and a volunteer knocking on doors is probably more valuable than somebody that gives you a

02:08:05.700 thousand dollars you know there's uh there's many many ways to to make these things happen

02:08:10.740 And, you know, we're, again, back to this, what might be the silver lining of the most difficult of times is this hopefully will wake up all of us to get more involved, to focus more on smaller government free enterprise and families.

02:08:26.480 Thank you.

02:08:27.060 Thank you so much for that, Drew.

02:08:28.240 And thanks again for you and your colleagues who are really trying to press from within, because I know that is really difficult.

02:08:33.840 And you know what, to give the premier credit, he hasn't looted you out of caucus, and that seems to be what happens in other jurisdictions.

02:08:40.740 So just keep on pressing, guys.

02:08:43.060 I must tell you, and I told the premier this also,

02:08:45.300 and since I went off the air,

02:08:46.700 I'm back to the rules that were in place last summer.

02:08:48.980 I have a cohort of 10 people.

02:08:50.760 I'll wear my mask when I'm serving tables

02:08:53.000 and when I'm within six feet of each other,

02:08:54.840 I'll wear them when I go into retail shops

02:08:57.200 and grocery shops, but I'm sorry.

02:08:59.160 Like I'm seeing my parents

02:09:00.560 and I'm seeing the loved ones in my life.

02:09:03.040 So I just want you to know, Drew,

02:09:04.780 that there's a lot of civil disobedience going on out there

02:09:08.000 because when the rules don't make sense,

02:09:10.320 People don't follow them.

02:09:11.360 So I hope you take that back to your caucus and your premier.

02:09:14.200 Let me hand it off back to Derek Fildebrand.

02:09:16.600 I'm delighted that he was able to give us all this opportunity

02:09:20.220 to have this conversation.

02:09:22.000 It was Maxime Bernier, leader of the People's Party of Canada.

02:09:24.860 It was Randy Hillier, who is an MPP independent in Ontario.

02:09:28.420 Paul Heyman, of course, leader of the Wildrose Independence Party.

02:09:31.520 And Drew Barnes, who represents Medicine Hat Cyprus

02:09:34.120 in the provincial legislature under the UCP.

02:09:37.320 And I think that's it for me.

02:09:38.780 don't know that we've got any more of these these uncensored discussions

02:09:44.220 planned I've kind of said my my piece I wanted you to see the kind of

02:09:49.340 information that I felt you needed to hear and that I wanted to bring to you

02:09:53.540 and so I'm grateful to Derek Fildebrand and the Western Standard for giving us

02:09:58.140 this opportunity to be together to have these discussions because they're very

02:10:01.280 important Derek let me hand it back to you thanks so much fantastic job tonight

02:10:12.860 and in the whole steering we that you've conducted with the Danielle Smith

02:10:18.260 uncensored series this is the last one we had scheduled I know you and I come

02:10:23.360 mapped out a kind of a broad range here of all the uncensored topics we walk

02:10:28.400 well this was all the uncensored covid topics i think there are a few others that

02:10:33.120 um i'll see if i won't put you on the spot here but i i have every intention of uh using every

02:10:41.040 bit of leverage at my disposal to try and get you to do a few more i'm sure our viewers would be

02:10:46.640 very grateful if you did uh but i won't lean on you anymore uh just in case you say no uh because

02:10:52.480 because that would be embarrassing.

02:10:53.920 So thank you so much.

02:10:55.800 You've done a fantastic job with the entire series,

02:10:59.960 but there's a lot more that we want to cover.

02:11:03.200 Remember, Cory Morgan, a lot of you know who he is.

02:11:06.200 He's been doing some ad hoc shows with us.

02:11:08.880 You can watch Cory Morgan every Monday and Tuesday

02:11:13.760 from 10 to 12 Mountain Standard Time,

02:11:16.000 the Cory Morgan Show.

02:11:18.080 It'll be a regular daily radio style talk show

02:11:21.520 where you can be interactive, ask questions, have your part of it.

02:11:25.620 I want to thank our guest today, Drew Barnes, my former colleague when I was in the Wild Rose,

02:11:31.720 who's sitting with the UCP, one of the good guys.

02:11:36.800 There are a few in there.

02:11:39.000 I don't agree with much of what the government is doing now, but there are some good ones in there.

02:11:45.300 Just from the comments, someone asked if the whole six-pack were all Wild Rosers.

02:11:49.220 um five of the six pack are from the former wild rose and the one who was not mikhaila glasgow

02:11:56.880 used to work for a wild rose in la by the name of drew barnes and she's from uh well and she

02:12:03.960 represents brooks and if i might say that that was a pretty good half of my writing when i was

02:12:08.400 in politics uh maxime bernier from the people's party of canada uh thanks so much for joining us

02:12:14.740 always eloquent as always you're still the uh the quebecker from alberta still always welcome out in

02:12:19.780 our neck of the woods always a pleasure uh thank you very much and uh randy hillier i've known

02:12:26.420 randy for a very long time before he was in politics uh i went to university with one of

02:12:32.660 his sons russell good friend of mine who uh lives in calgary now here um our families actually go

02:12:39.940 way back between uh between my uh the paternal side of my family and uh and the hill years so

02:12:44.980 uh fantastic to have you and uh and paul hinman uh if you ever need a a north star in politics

02:12:51.620 to know if uh you know if you're on the right and you need to know if you're going in the same

02:12:56.500 direction give paul a call uh he he he's always seems to be marching in the right direction and

02:13:03.780 And whenever I didn't know if I was doing the right thing, I'd give him a call.

02:13:08.360 So I think everyone should try to check where they're going and look to him for advice.

02:13:14.420 I'd advise friends in the UCP to maybe give Paul a call if they don't want him to be premier.

02:13:21.320 So, well, thank you all very much.

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02:14:39.220 Fantastic show.

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