00:13:48.660that we're doing a press conference yesterday this decision is incorrect and anti-democratic
00:13:57.460and we will be appealing it as a result our cabinet dominated the conversation and when
00:14:03.060asked about it she said she's to discuss the full context here she thought the judge
00:14:08.020was incorrect in interpreting the law and anti-democratic and that her party was going to
00:14:13.300appeal it or her government was going to appeal it but that doesn't at the end of the day
00:14:18.580And all these appeals don't help because they just prolong the process.
00:14:22.900And like I said, I keep worrying that we're going to run out of time.
00:14:26.980Now, online, it's pretty obvious that Mitch Sylvester and Stay Free Alberta and others like that, they went to a plan, I don't know, B or C, but they started promoting the idea of, well, they've been promoting this idea for a while.
00:14:43.540But everybody should get a UCP membership and try and trigger a special general meeting because there'll be an AGM.
00:14:51.760There'll be an annual general meeting near the end of the year.
00:14:54.060There always is around September, October.
00:14:55.760But they're saying that some groups now are trying to influence the government, the UCP.
00:15:05.380And one of the funny things is that yesterday, not yesterday, this morning, I don't think this is coincidence.
00:15:11.880the UCP website crashed temporarily because I think too many people were trying to log in and
00:15:18.360buy UCP memberships, right? So $10 memberships, there's already like 60,000 UCP members. And I
00:15:25.540think that's a valid path going down the influencing from the inside and trying to1.00
00:15:32.880get Danielle Smith to just hold a referendum. That's in her powers to do. She can do that.1.00
00:15:39.860She can just add this question on independence on the referendum in October.
00:15:47.800I was thinking there was a third path, but I don't see the third path at this point.
00:15:54.320So, OK, well, so that's that's that's the events.
00:17:05.180But there was three other outcomes, right?
00:17:06.800We could not get the right amount of signatures, which would not lead to a referendum, or we could get the right amount of signatures and not win the referendum.
00:17:34.380I guess nobody challenged it, but by her reasoning, Thomas Lukasik's petition is also illegal and requires some consultation because he was asking the inverse of Stay Free Alberta's question.
00:17:53.400His question is, do you support Canada or Alberta staying in Canada?
00:18:00.980I can do the decision tree and say, okay, if he's got enough to get it as a referendum question, what if he loses?
00:18:07.380What if everybody votes no, we don't want to stay in Canada?
00:18:12.940Then doesn't that also trigger an obligation on the part of the government, which would lead to consultation, which would mean that his question should have been rejected to start with?
00:18:50.300And how much more does Alberta need to prove to the rest of the country that Canada is objectively not a free country, not a democratic country, not a fair country?
00:19:01.540Like, how many more stories like this need to pop up in the news before the rest of the country wakes up?
00:19:10.660Well, I don't think there's an there is no.
00:19:14.380No, to the answer is there's not enough of these events to make the rest of the country wake up, which is why we're doing what we're trying to do, which is why we're trying to separate.
00:19:23.680Right. I know where you're getting at, but I think separatists in Quebec should be livid this morning.
00:20:07.720I think the ones who should be most upset are just everyday citizens who, specifically here in Alberta, but everywhere else, right?
00:20:16.120I mean, this is an erosion of our democratic rights.
00:20:22.460Well, we here in Alberta have long known that our votes don't matter, but I still think that this decision is, well, I think it's a provocation, to be honest with you.0.96
00:20:31.620i think they're they're hoping that somebody from the movement does something stupid at this point0.94
00:20:36.660but i need to urge people no don't do any stupid as much as we're angry at this decision you know0.99
00:20:42.980the last thing we need is somebody going out and doing something exceptionally dumb yeah no i agree0.97
00:20:49.300i agree no thanks thanks for the call um have a great day in devon yeah thank you marty keep doing
00:20:57.060what you're doing my man yeah you're welcome um yeah it's it's um i've i heard that sentiment
00:21:05.700online i mean the sentiment online actually that was a that was another observation that was that
00:21:09.700was made right what about the precedent of quebec right quebec had two referendums and how come
00:21:15.540quebec was able to have two referendums and we can't even we never mind a referendum man we can't
00:21:21.540even get to the question like we're not allowed like we need permission to petition i i i still
00:21:25.940have a hard hard hard hard time getting over that that that uh that citizens who want to just collect
00:21:33.860signatures and ask the government to do something first need permission and need to consult before
00:21:39.700they can even like as step one it's it's uh it's super frustrating um and and tying this into uh
00:21:50.180Tying this into Carney and the rest of the Canada, as James was just alluding to, I mean, the timing of this, of some of the announcements that are going on today, make this even more frustrating, right?
00:22:04.400Again, so just this morning, Ottawa announced, what's it called?
00:22:12.720I don't know the exact name, but, you know, Carney announced a big strategy to further electrify the country, right?
00:22:22.060He wants to double the amount of electric power generation in this country.
00:22:29.760And when he's betting on electricity, he's talking about renewables and small nuclear and things like that, things that he's not talking about coal-fired power or natural gas-fired or anything like that.
00:22:42.140He's betting on the things that already have.
00:22:44.600And he wants to double the electricity generation capabilities of the country, which is ridiculous to start with, which is absolutely never going to happen.
00:22:57.020but it's also not his responsibility like developing resources and developing your
00:23:02.820electric grid and developing your energy is the provincial jurisdiction so carney keeps
00:23:09.020poking danielle smith in particular and and and you know i don't know when she's going to wake up
00:23:16.400and i'll come back on that but i got a call on the line go ahead where are you calling from
00:31:53.080Like the way to get a special general meeting is for members to petition?
00:31:58.360I mean, the part that upsets me the most about all of this, really, honestly,
00:32:01.700is I spend about 120 hours on the side of the road collecting signatures.
00:32:05.320Now, a lot of people are mocking me and, you know, being critical of me. I don't care. I mean, you know, I I believed in what I was trying to do. And and this outcome doesn't surprise me. I mean, I did not think that any parties would let us just separate without throwing everything at us.
00:32:25.000I've said this before, and I don't think we've seen the end of this.
00:32:27.900I mean, even if we started our own party and won,
00:32:30.640I still think there's something that they'll do to block us.
00:32:33.500I don't know what, but there will be obstacles at every step of the way.
00:32:37.880So, you know, mock me for having a belief
00:32:41.600and mock me for sitting on the side of the road
00:32:53.200So so mock me for having tried. That's like that's like mocking somebody who tried to start a business and was unsuccessful.
00:33:00.660I mean, entrepreneurs know actually in life in general, it's it's not our victories that define us.
00:33:08.160It's our defeats. And when you get defeated and you brush yourself off and you try again, those are the generally the better life lessons and and lead to better outcomes.
00:33:18.960So if you don't, if you haven't had a lot, a few defeats in life, you're just not trying.
00:33:24.340So I don't feel bad about having, well, I do feel bad.
00:33:27.540I mean, I do feel bad that my signatures are sitting in the box, like, and not being counted.
00:33:32.520If I'd collected them and they were counted and there wasn't enough or some other thing, you know, that I, some other sort of logical outcome, I could live with those consequences.
00:33:43.800But I have a hard time right now just accepting that some unelected appointed judge just says, you know, that the chief electoral officer screwed up and therefore all these signatures are invalid.
00:33:57.660Like that's that's that's frustrating to me.
00:34:00.920All right. What other stories have I got here?
00:41:06.360And and then hopefully they work on building more of those great documents to help, you know, educate the people to the benefits of an independent Alberta.
00:41:17.700If you and like and and despite everything that happened, again, thank you, Mitch.
00:41:22.000Thank you, Jeff. Thanks to all the people who the canvassers who who poured their heart into this.
00:41:27.420The battle is not over. Go ahead. Caller. Where are you calling from?
00:41:30.220from edmonton good morning or good afternoon what's your name
00:41:36.480lori hi lori what's on your mind hi oh i was just wondering i mean obviously i'm as upset as
00:41:46.300everybody else about the results yesterday but i was just wondering if anybody considered uh carny
00:41:51.800uh talking about this 30 percent of canadian lands and turned over to what sort of nature
00:41:58.180preserve i was wondering if anybody else thought that that might be another tactic he's using
00:42:03.300against separatism um to be honest that's news to me um a little more context is this a recent
00:42:12.420recent announcement or is this sort of general this is this is this is within the last week
00:42:18.500he's talking about you know making 30 of when nature whatever that means there's been no
00:42:25.940details about it or anything yeah that's classic carney right he i mean make big bold announcements
00:42:31.700with no details and um uh fair question and you know i think you and i are on the same page i
00:42:39.620don't trust carney i mean like when he makes a statement like that it's almost never with really
00:42:44.500pure intentions he's got something evil in mind i think we're seeing i i predicted this right i said
00:42:50.100this a couple of weeks ago i said that after the by-elections when uh when carney secured his
00:42:56.500majority as small as it as it is he still has a majority i knew we'd see a different carney and
00:43:01.220he's back to showing his true colors which is uh the guy's uh he he believes in climate change he
00:43:07.140believes in uh in controlling capital he believes in picking losers and winners and and redistributing
00:43:14.020money he believes in all those things uh he he was a un envoy he is a member of the world economic
00:43:21.540forum he's he's just not a good guy i i don't i don't like him i don't trust him and and i'm
00:43:27.460getting the sense that you're probably on the same page laurie oh absolutely and he was great behind
00:43:33.940the whole setting up of carbon credits in the first place to look into the history of that
00:43:37.940Yeah. Well, closer to home, did you see, I mean, there's an announcement supposedly tomorrow on pipelines, but leading up to it, like Danielle Smith and him agreed that they're going to raise the industrial carbon tax to, I think, $130 a ton by 2030. Like that's right around the corner. And that's huge.
00:43:56.780yeah and and normally i support the things that daniel smith does but in this i think she's
00:44:03.000absolutely going the wrong direction there is no demand for oil that costs more than everybody else
00:44:09.020right and that's really all it is yeah yeah no i i drove by the gas pump today and i think it
00:44:15.420was a buck 89 and i you guys are always a little bit cheaper because you got the refineries nearby
00:44:19.660but uh um just last question while i got you on the line what do you uh if you're danielle smith0.98
00:44:29.160what would you do right now tough one uh well it is a tough one for her because i mean she's sort0.97
00:44:36.760of walking a fine line she's got to put the referendum on regardless regardless you know0.91
00:44:42.780yeah i mean one of my co-hosts here if she doesn't she
00:44:46.980no i was just going to say uh cory morgan cory morgan's been talking about this a lot right like
00:44:53.260cory's pretty sure that if she doesn't do this she's she's starting to uh she's putting a nail
00:44:58.320in her coffin if she doesn't do this quickly yeah and well yes she is she is because that's
00:45:05.800not the will of the alberta people no and and welcome to alberta where we um where we often
00:45:11.780turn on our leaders pretty quickly. There's a lot of history of that, right? Quite a few
00:45:17.060leaders in the last 20 years have not finished their natural terms. So thanks.
00:45:23.380That's right. There's just one last point that I want to raise. I want everybody to just remember,
00:45:29.060and I'm sure you feel this way, but it's not the First Nations people that did this. It's just
00:45:34.500leaders. They're no more responsible for it than we are for carnies junk.0.97
00:45:39.060good point thanks a good reminder you're right and i'm guilty of that i've i've said some very
00:45:45.000critical things in the past and i should always qualify it and say the first nation chiefs right
00:45:50.540the and and some of their leaders are good they have elected leaders and then they have some
00:45:55.580appointed leaders and then they have some i don't know called uh hereditary hereditary yeah um and
00:46:02.860and and along those lines uh i think you i think it was the western standard here that had a story
00:46:07.920on that this week how um independence support among first nations is actually particularly
00:46:14.000high like it's in the 50 60 range kind of thing i saw the figure 46 46 okay okay it could be more
00:46:23.400than that that was just through one poll of 3 000 people right yeah no that's great yeah awesome
00:46:28.980okay well thanks for calling lori okay thank you have a great day um all right i'm just gonna keep
00:46:36.840going down. I got a couple of other, you know, I never get around to international stories.
00:46:42.720But before I go to a few international stories that I thought were interesting this week,
00:46:46.200I do want to talk about one other big story that was that happened out east that I thought was
00:46:50.820absolutely funny. So the Ontario Liberals are looking for a leader. I can't remember. I don't
00:47:00.780even know who their last leader was uh what was that crazy lady before ford anyways um so the
00:47:07.560ontario liberals are looking for a leader so they had a um uh and then to be a potential leader of
00:47:15.320the party there you first have to win a seat so in some places like in some depending on the rules
00:47:20.840of different uh political parties or whatever you can be a leader without a seat but it sounds like
00:47:26.640in ontario that you needed to win something anyways there was a there was a or maybe it was
00:47:33.020just a nomination maybe it was just a leadership nomination or a writing nomination i think that's
00:47:38.500what it was it was a writing nomination so in a in a in an ontario in the scarborough west
00:47:44.280writing uh there was a nomination they were trying to choose who's going to be the candidate for that
00:47:50.760writing in the next provincial election and one of those candidates is somebody who is hoping to be
00:47:55.640the leader and that's a guy named nate eskier smith and uh he's currently um a federal mp
00:48:06.200and i knew that we it wasn't a it was a long-standing rumor everybody thought that he
00:48:11.640was going to take a run at the liberal the provincial liberal leadership so we thought
00:48:17.080he'd have to step down i was counting on him as one of the guys would have to step down and then
00:49:39.140And he went around and he gave ballots to people
00:49:42.560written in Sri Lankan that showed how to vote and whatnot.
00:49:46.200And he handed them out and he played the game.
00:49:49.580But I guess they're saying there were some irregularities.
00:49:52.480Like there was something like 34 more ballots were counted than registered voters.
00:49:59.340Nate's scrutineers were reporting that, you know, mysteriously, like 80 people showed up and had lost their license and couldn't prove their citizenship, stuff like that.
00:50:12.360Folks, these are all the rules that the Liberals, federally, provincially, and the left have put in in the last few years, right?0.52
00:50:21.100They bring in a bunch of immigrants and they make voting ridiculously easy and they keep lowering the criteria, right?
00:50:29.340I mean, look at what we just had to, like, let me contrast that to what I just had to do as part of collecting signatures for this petition.1.00
00:50:37.920I had to ask people, like, are you a Canadian citizen? Are you an Alberta resident? Are you 18 or over? Please show me your ID. Oh, sorry, your ID doesn't have a physical address. It's only a post office box. I can't accept it.
00:50:52.500And then here, we're witnessing other places, other provinces where the rules and the guidelines have been lowered so much. And now it's actually come to bite the liberals in the butt.0.99
00:51:56.580Okay, okay. So forget about referendums or anything like that. Lots of people have said we should have a separatist party. So call it the Wild Rose Party for now. There's the Wild Rose Party.
00:52:10.940the danger of the wild of a of a purely separatist party is that it would attract a lot of people
00:52:17.020that currently vote for danielle smith the vote for the ucp and so the fear is outside of a
00:52:23.260referendum just at the next election if we have a strong separatist party people are scared that
00:52:28.680you know the wild rose might get 30 seats the ucp might get 29 and then the ndp get whatever 42 and
00:52:36.420and then the ndp end up being in power so that's the fear of having just just another party on the
00:52:43.380right that's the fear and then if that happens if we if we re-elect the ndp forget about uh forget
00:52:50.740about a referendum because i think like nenshi is so crazy i think if he got into power he would
00:52:57.620cancel the citizens initiative act and he would reverse a whole bunch of things that that smith
00:53:03.380has done so we we we cannot afford yeah i i do not want the nvp to win but i i guess i don't know
00:53:12.340how referendums work because i thought you know this october if we get a referendum then that
00:53:18.820would just if anybody if everybody says or enough people say yes we want referendum yeah patricia
00:53:28.340the part is referendums have nothing to do with parties you're right like if we have a referendum
00:53:32.420it doesn't matter it's just yes or no if there's a referendum that i guess the people from the
00:53:39.040separatist parties would vote some people from the ucp and the ndp so a referendum is totally
00:53:43.980separate from a general election totally independent of part okay well okay well thank
00:53:51.060you very much and i really enjoy your show you're welcome have a great day thanks um
00:53:56.080yeah i i never um let me backtrack a little bit i mean i there is a path forward to an
00:54:06.780independence party i think a party could move forward with perhaps some collaboration and make
00:54:13.480sure that they don't run against each other i don't know there's there's there's a path forward
00:54:18.260but the more i think about it though at the end of the day i'm not these days i'm not too worried
00:54:23.820about the NDP right Nenshi right now like when I watch Nenshi on on uh on social media talking
00:54:30.400about whatever's happening he sounds like he's completely unhinged he sounds a bit like a
00:54:35.760lunatic he's not making a lot of sense and then um and then people are actually turning on him
00:54:41.840I've seen I've seen calls right now for uh Rachel Notley to come out of retirement and and you know
00:54:47.480People want to pull Menchie off the stage and silence him.
00:54:54.360So for me, at this point, I'm like, well, let him talk.0.94
00:54:57.180And I mean, Danielle's got a huge popularity.
00:55:01.040I'm not her political advisor, but if I was one of her political advisors, maybe now is the time to call a snap election and forget about all of these things.
00:55:11.060I mean, she wanted a referendum on constitutional questions and things like that.
00:55:16.280forget about it just just just just call a snap election campaign on those things and uh and and
00:55:23.420and try and get elected and then go from there i mean that's that's the option i would suggest to
00:55:28.640her uh a couple more calls hopefully before the time's up time just flies when we're doing this
00:55:33.900go ahead caller where are you calling from and name please this is john i'm calling to calgary
00:55:38.820hey john what's on your mind i'm just i'm trying to figure out what our path forward is here i'm
00:55:45.460looking at all these comments uh some people are saying like think about the referendum once we
00:55:50.440have it what happens after that's your question like what happens if we have a referendum
00:55:57.400yeah but let's say the referendum is up and we we win and the answer is yes we want to move well
00:56:04.560what happened what happened uh well the next morning um we we would do two things the next
00:56:12.540morning a was we would start to negotiate with ottawa um financially you know what's our share
00:56:21.620of the debt what's uh how much do we owe you for the prisons that are federal uh the border stations
00:56:28.660a couple of things so we start negotiating with ottawa uh financially and then the other thing we
00:56:35.400would have um uh probably probably smith would resign i don't know we'd have another election
00:56:44.040to choose a new leader going forward and then and then immediately that lead that new leader or or
00:56:50.840if it's smith i think we'd have to propose something like a constitutional conference
00:56:56.920and bring together you know scholars and people from government and academics and then start to
00:57:02.900think about um a new constitution and how we shape the the the country going forward so i i mean we
00:57:11.640we'd want to think about those things we've been thinking people have been thinking about those
00:57:15.640things what the what a future alberta looks like in the future but but officially we can't implement
00:57:21.960any of those things until the people vote on it the day after the referendum so there's a referendum
00:57:27.100and then after that we start having a whole bunch of discussions and votes on on all the different
00:57:32.340institutions we need does that make sense because i i think like my main concern is like what if
00:57:38.460the federal government just says no they can't well it's a it's a valid concern and you're right
00:57:44.220i mean anything's possible but by according to the clarity act and according to the constitution
00:57:50.660the way it's written and all sorts of other things uh the federal government can't say no
00:57:55.680they can drag it out they can be stubborn about the negotiations but they can't just say no
00:58:00.380well we have to amend the constitution right because like in the clarity act it says an
00:58:05.960amendment to the constitution of canada would be required for any province just to speak from
00:58:09.820canada some people think that that amendment is sort of just a matter of um of cleaning up things
00:58:17.180right like for instance alberta leaves and alberta is no longer part of canada and we've gone on our
00:58:22.900own the rest of the country still has to amend the constitution because the word alberta still
00:58:27.720appears right so and we don't care i mean we're gone we're alberta we're our own country and then
00:58:32.480and then the rest of canada has to clean up their constitution because in the constitution it says
00:58:37.820whatever alberta gets a certain number of seats in the house of commons alberta is entitled to
00:58:42.160this alberta gets its share of the equalization you know what i'm saying so then they have to
00:58:46.320change their their constitution to rebalance everything with alberta gone so i don't think
00:58:51.180it's a it's not necessarily an amendment to make sure we're allowed to go it's just the clean up
00:58:55.940on their part that's my interpretation um and the way it's been oh i understand yeah yeah so we'd
00:59:01.460already be gone at that point okay we're gone and then and then keith wilson and others say that
00:59:06.260the negotiation written in the law has to happen in good faith and has to happen quickly and and
00:59:11.660if ottawa says well you know uh we got your receipt we and we're ignoring it we go well
00:59:18.360that's fine then well i guess you by default you're assuming the airports are ours that kind
00:59:22.300thing right i mean if they don't negotiate then what are they going to do come back here and say
00:59:27.260we want that uh uh we want that military base back i'll be like sure take the bricks do whatever you
00:59:33.100want right so yeah good question thank you for that but uh yeah all right thank you yeah yeah
00:59:38.380have a great day yeah you too all right cheers um all right john am i allowed to go over by a minute
00:59:47.420just a minute or two i wanted to i never even got to talking about trump maybe i'll talk about
00:59:53.180trump's visit to china next week i will talk about that next week but i will just bring up this one
00:59:58.140story really crazy again john john sorry to put you on the spot but find the uh find the non-bear
01:00:05.660non-binary transgender indian who was elected to uh the scottish parliament this week
01:00:11.900just again these are rules and when they make the rules and the rules backfire on them i think it's
01:00:20.360funny and it's hilarious right so uh scotland had a scott and the uk and by the way a labor party in
01:00:26.760the uk got absolutely demolished in their recent round of elections uh uh starmer is not resigning
01:00:35.700but people are calling for his resignation he might resign in the coming weeks we don't know
01:00:40.300But show this picture. So this this gentleman named Q Manivan and something identifies as a non-binary transgender Indian, and he's in the UK on a temporary student visa, which has like an expiration date of like a couple of years.
01:01:03.000And he just got elected to the Scottish Parliament. And his term in the Scottish Parliament is four years could be as much as five. And then he gets a £77,000 salary, like $150,000 salary. So like this is the ultimate in exploiting loopholes, right?
01:01:22.200So Scotland allows, I guess, permanent residents, non-citizens to vote.0.70
01:01:28.100And this is the this is the result that opens a can of worms, man.0.88
01:01:32.140They're going to have to shut that down.
01:01:33.380Otherwise, like people have identified a huge loophole.
01:01:36.300Just come into Scotland on your temporary student visa, run for politics, get elected and get to stay indefinitely and get paid doing it.
01:01:43.860Like what a fantastic what a fantastic scam.
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