Western Standard - MARTY UP NORTH： Is Carney flirting with the EU a good idea？

00:00:00.000 Lots to talk about today and I'm just going to leave you with a quick question right now.

00:00:28.260 I'll go through my sort of quick 15-minute monologue in the beginning,

00:00:31.980 and then I'm going to leave you with a question

00:00:33.520 because you know we're going to talk about it.

00:00:35.480 It's the Carney trip to Europe and his summit that started here

00:00:39.600 with his investment summit last week or earlier this week.

00:00:43.740 But here's my question to you.

00:00:45.300 Are you in favor of Canada having a bigger say in European affairs

00:00:53.100 going as far as becoming a European partner in the EU?

00:00:57.420 So call in, let me know about that.

00:00:59.360 The other thing you might want to call in and let me know about

00:01:01.480 is your thoughts on the by-election that happened here on Monday.

00:01:07.340 I'll talk about that and maybe whatever else is on your mind, right?

00:01:11.880 The phone number is on the bottom there, so feel free to call in.

00:01:16.260 Yeah, so, well, actually, I drove in today.

00:01:20.160 No, I didn't drive in. I took the train.

00:01:22.680 I usually take the train.

00:01:24.220 I just, the roads in Calgary, too many crazy drivers, and I find I'd rather take the train, gives me time to collect my thoughts.

00:01:34.200 But at the train station, it's been two weeks in a row now where I've had a hard time finding a parking spot.

00:01:40.440 Like, it used to be empty, and I guess it's a sign that summer's over and people are going back to work and starting to take the train again.

00:01:48.540 but I had to drive around for about five minutes today

00:01:52.620 and I think it's something bigger

00:01:53.920 like the price of gasoline in Alberta

00:01:56.940 just took a serious jump

00:01:58.580 like it's $1.75, $1.80 in some areas

00:02:01.540 and I think that's scaring people

00:02:03.600 and pushing them to take the train

00:02:06.240 which is unfortunate

00:02:12.900 but I digress

00:02:17.240 All right. So let me start with a quick observation. And maybe this will make sense when I'm done talking. But I went to a town. So I live in Rocky View County. I live in the country northwest of Calgary proper and a little town hall in my area on Tuesday evening to discuss a gravel pit application.

00:02:43.840 So somebody, a German company, Heidelberg, I believe they're called, wants to propose a gravel pit in Rocky View County.

00:02:55.640 And there's already three gravel pits in the area, and the gravel pits fundamentally benefit Calgary, right?

00:03:03.040 The gravel comes, it's close to Calgary, convenient.

00:03:06.860 There's not a lot of huge benefit.

00:03:08.560 There's not a lot of benefits to the people in my part of the world with this gravel pit.

00:03:12.660 And therefore, this gravel pit has been rejected by the county and thought that that was the end of the matter there.

00:03:22.900 But the proponent, the company, is now appealing this decision to something called the Natural Resources Conservation Board.

00:03:33.620 And they're asking if the gravel pit is in the interest of the province, something like that.

00:03:42.400 So I go to this meeting, and I'm just listening, and I got frustrated on about three counts.

00:03:50.320 So the first one that's frustrated me is that there's a whole bunch of people there that were upset, pissed off in general,

00:03:59.640 that their local decision, so their government locally, municipal government, county government,

00:04:05.380 could potentially be overruled by Edmonton.

00:04:08.220 That pisses them off.

00:04:09.220 now in the area this area i bike around there and i can tell you there's a lot of uh forever

00:04:17.260 canadian signs in there and and there were some of those people there and when i challenged them

00:04:21.880 i'm like you're pissed off that your local government is could be overruled by edmonton

00:04:28.200 why are you not pissed off when your provincial government is overruled by ottawa crickets right 0.62

00:04:35.580 So got that. And then the second thing that started upsetting me at that place is that when I talk, if the proposed gravel pit was smaller just by a local company or local outfit, I think the dynamics would have been different.

00:04:53.520 But this is a German conglomerate.

00:04:55.600 So people now are pissed off that Europeans' money is going to get invested locally and benefit.

00:05:05.640 And then same thing.

00:05:06.380 I'm like, well, isn't Carney in Europe right now putting us in bed with the Europeans?

00:05:10.380 And when I challenge a few people there.

00:05:11.920 And by the way, I got to step back.

00:05:14.700 I was there because I am fundamentally against this gravel pit.

00:05:17.780 There's enough gravel pits in the area.

00:05:19.440 I don't need another one.

00:05:20.600 there is no benefit to me locally but we could move that gravel pit you know 10 miles further

00:05:27.320 and the economic impact the cost of gravel might be slightly up for the people of calgary but you

00:05:32.500 know what anyway so i'm fundamentally opposed but i'm i'm exposing when i'm discussing this

00:05:38.900 with some of the people i just wanted to get you know this is what i do i want people to think

00:05:42.720 broadly and and and and so i challenge people i'm like would you be in favor if this was

00:05:48.920 a local development instead of a German company and then you get more yeah it'd be okay so I'm

00:05:53.560 like all right more hypocrisy because you're you're you're against Germany investing here

00:05:58.680 but you want us to go invest in Germany and join the European Union you see what I'm saying

00:06:03.160 and then lastly the one that really uh annoyed me to no end was they had I went there to get

00:06:09.140 informed and there's a Q&A and so uh we're we're allowed to go to the mic and ask questions

00:06:14.800 And one lady, instead of just asking a question, walked up to the front of the stage and basically took command of the microphone and started lecturing and giving her reason why she didn't want the gravel pit.

00:06:28.360 And they went on and on about protecting the children and this and that and so forth.

00:06:32.920 And she was grandstanding.

00:06:35.740 And I got annoyed. 0.98

00:06:36.840 I'm like, OK, lady, sit down. 1.00

00:06:38.540 Like, we're not here to listen to you, right? 0.99

00:06:40.340 And then all of a sudden the crowd, which was, I'll say it, demographically very, very old, right? These are the people that are living in a bear spa area. Their houses are paid for and, you know, nimbyism is kicking in. They don't want development in their backyard. 0.95

00:06:56.440 And then when I dared to challenge one of their own, a white liberal lady, because she was just grandstanding, all of a sudden everybody's like, let her speak, let her speak. 0.89

00:07:12.040 And she was annoying and people were annoyed. 0.86

00:07:14.300 But because I challenged one of the members of the Klan, now everybody turned at me and started booing me and giving her a stand. 0.98

00:07:21.180 And they literally gave her a standing ovation.

00:07:23.080 So anyways, I witnessed all that and it made me realize that that is definitely a common theme in this country right now, that people are crazy entrenched in camps, like entrenched, entrenched, entrenched.

00:07:42.960 And huge amounts of cognitive dissonance is setting in.

00:07:49.300 People cannot be challenged.

00:07:51.960 It's becoming impossible to challenge people's ideas and thoughts without them getting upset and fighting back.

00:08:04.520 So it's just an observation that I made on Tuesday.

00:08:08.940 And then the more I talk about it online and with others, the more I see it in day to day, to day, to day, to day, to day.

00:08:17.140 Like, I think we're beyond the point of civil discourse.

00:08:21.940 Like, it's scary what's happening.

00:08:25.520 All right, John, can you confirm then the phone?

00:08:29.240 I don't have anybody calling, but go ahead and call.

00:08:32.380 So let's talk about Carney then in broader sense here.

00:08:38.940 Uh, on Sunday, Monday, he had a, um, a summit in, I don't even know where the summit was.

00:08:49.940 I think it was in Toronto or someplace like that, but in, you know, invited foreign investors.

00:08:54.480 That's a good idea.

00:08:55.460 I mean, there's nothing wrong with a summit to invite people to come see projects, right?

00:09:01.380 We used to do this all the time, like the, the concept of trade delegations.

00:09:05.220 And so I'm OK with inviting people to come and see what we have to offer.

00:09:12.600 I found I found the overall meeting, though, a bit interesting with the fact that you had all the premiers there really, you know, applauding Kearney.

00:09:24.580 And again, that's OK. They serve their their respective provinces and they want to promote the projects.

00:09:30.960 But I found Stephen Harper closing the conference to be a bit weird.

00:09:40.720 Stephen Harper's change of heart regarding Carney seems to have been rather dramatic.

00:09:47.220 Because I remember Stephen Harper being a keynote speaker at one of the Pierre Poiliev events during the general election a year and a half ago.

00:09:56.220 And Harper had no kind words for Carney.

00:10:00.540 And then what I found really interesting is some of the projects that were being proposed

00:10:07.200 and some of the money that Carney's trying to attract, right?

00:10:09.940 He went as far as saying that he wanted to open up four of Canada's major airports,

00:10:16.800 you know, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, and I believe Calgary,

00:10:21.360 to foreign investment or to investment, to more privatization.

00:10:25.840 and um i i he got a lot of backlash for that which he should but again it's watching the online

00:10:36.800 mental gymnastics of people applauding it like if if i had asked almost any canadian

00:10:42.100 four years ago would you be in favor of privatizing the airports and risking that the cost of travel

00:10:50.640 could go up further would you be in favor of that i'm pretty sure that four years ago

00:10:54.440 people would have said no, no, no, no, no. But for whatever reason now, whatever Carney does

00:11:00.220 these days, people are applauding him more than they are than criticizing him. And so I don't

00:11:07.520 know. What's your thoughts on that, folks? Should airports be more privatized? I mean,

00:11:13.280 I'm having a hard time understanding what would be gained by doing that, right? If the idea is

00:11:21.580 that an airport currently, I mean, here's how the airports are managed right now.

00:11:26.920 Airports are on crown land.

00:11:28.700 So let's pick the Calgary airport.

00:11:30.560 Calgary airport is on crown land.

00:11:33.380 And then the airport authority, whoever's there, follows federal guidelines, rents the

00:11:42.980 land from Ottawa and built an airport.

00:11:47.940 So the airport already is privately owned, but it's following rules, but it's privately owned, but it's run as a not for profit business.

00:11:57.580 And I think that's the biggest change is that he wants to turn airports into for profit entities and allow more investment, which would mean that somebody could in principle, somebody could use an airport and build, I don't know, a better restaurant and amusement park at the airport and try and get some dollars from from people that are

00:12:17.860 transiting through the airport. But if the airport needs to be upsized because there's increased

00:12:23.400 traffic, I think Ottawa could easily spend that money and recover that money through the airport

00:12:31.080 fees and charges. So I don't understand. I don't need to. I just answered my own question. I don't

00:12:37.100 need to understand why Carney makes these kinds of statements. Carney's making all these kinds

00:12:41.660 of statements just to distract, just to appear like he's doing something. And at the end of the

00:12:48.820 day, I'm not fundamentally worried because no matter what the liberals have been announcing 0.96

00:12:53.280 in the last 12 years, they suck at executing on anything. Yeah. So, you know, I'm, I have a joke 0.91

00:13:02.160 among my friends, whatever the liberals announce, short it, right? So if the liberals announce that

00:13:08.280 they're going to invest in Air Canada, short Air Canada. If they promote something, whatever they

00:13:14.540 promote, short it. And don't worry about it because they are absolutely terrible at any

00:13:20.420 kind of execution. I mean, look at all the promises that have been made by the Liberals in the last

00:13:24.660 year and a half, right? 500,000 homes to be built annually. Like, we're already stalled on that. I

00:13:33.100 I mean, we're less than 200,000 housing units starts this year.

00:13:38.880 It's already stalled out.

00:13:40.720 What were some of the other promises?

00:13:42.280 I mean, they keep recycling promises.

00:13:43.680 Like last week when we talked about the icebreakers.

00:13:46.100 Well, that promise goes back to like 2009.

00:13:49.560 Nothing got built and they made it again.

00:13:51.320 And I don't think anything will be built.

00:13:53.040 I don't even think the rail cars that they said they would build out of Thunder Bay will get built.

00:13:56.780 That's how bad they are at executing on stuff.

00:14:00.520 uh all right so Carney does his uh does this announcement in Toronto and then quickly gets

00:14:06.820 on a plane and flies to Brussels and uh goes and sits in front of the European Union and uh

00:14:17.480 before he gets to speak he gets welcomed now let me I think most of you understand what the

00:14:23.820 European Union is but let me just repeat it right so the European Union goes back to like

00:14:30.900 the 1970s like 77 some people think of it as a as a as a modern creation but it's a pretty old

00:14:38.180 creation and it's a it's it's a union so 27 countries belong to the union it started as

00:14:46.680 less than that and then and then they added countries over time and then some have left

00:14:50.800 Right. Everybody's familiar with the Brits leaving the European Union, you know.

00:14:58.300 But so the EU is, it's more than just countries coming together, though, because it's countries coming together, but it's countries coming together and building a separate parliament.

00:15:09.240 So in Europe, the European Union has its own parliament.

00:15:14.460 And so each member country sends people to the parliament.

00:15:22.060 Shall we try it again, John?

00:15:23.240 Oh, I can hear something in my – I can hear my voice.

00:15:26.380 Go ahead, caller.

00:15:28.080 How about now?

00:15:28.940 Perfect.

00:15:29.440 Can you hear me now?

00:15:32.080 This is Joel from Edmonton.

00:15:34.380 What's on your mind?

00:15:35.260 well i was just thinking about this whole eu business and the uh our option one voters

00:15:44.380 in this province who want the status quo need to be made clear that there is no status quo anymore

00:15:50.880 no matter what you do because if this really happens the status quo that we have enjoyed

00:15:57.240 is no longer the status quo yes no i 100 agree and and having your your i was

00:16:05.200 about to go there in my in my speech but if we join the eu uh it's not a trade agreement right

00:16:12.760 we're joining a group and agreeing we'd have to send uh members to the european parliament and

00:16:19.960 then we would have to agree to a new set of rules like the eu dictates rules like um i don't know

00:16:27.120 you know agricultural rules right they dictate the levels of of antibodies and cattle stuff like that

00:16:35.040 So we are already having interference from Ottawa, and now we're going to join the EU without a vote, without even being consulted.

00:16:45.680 Look at all the protests in France and the Netherlands from the farmers blockading their parliament buildings and throwing manure everywhere because of the nitrogen regulation.

00:16:55.840 Right.

00:16:56.180 Like, you want that in rural Alberta?

00:16:59.860 Well, you're asking the wrong.

00:17:01.260 No.

00:17:01.680 It's a rhetorical question.

00:17:03.380 No, I don't want it, but it's a great question for people.

00:17:06.880 Do you think if we were to join the EU, let's say, let's say Carney succeeds, what does that do for independence?

00:17:13.720 Do you think that helps?

00:17:14.700 Do you think that brings a few more people, opens more eyes, or does it make Carney look like a hero?

00:17:21.760 What do you think?

00:17:24.700 I think it just entrenches the sidekeeper.

00:17:27.420 I think the independence minded people will be more firm in that resolve because we're not European.

00:17:35.540 And the people that want to stay as part of Canada, I think, are already kind of OK with the Europe thing, because a lot of them just have Trump's arrangement syndrome.

00:17:46.680 Right. Like Trump is only here for two more years.

00:17:49.660 It boggles the mind that we can't just find a deal and then renegotiate it in two years when he's gone.

00:17:56.340 or we can't just get something yeah we're at the very least just wait him out and don't do anything

00:18:02.860 right i mean we could have just waited out trump if we wanted well i don't know trump is kind of

00:18:08.940 pushing the issue because there's a lot of irritants on their side yeah yeah you know like

00:18:12.820 our dumping of chinese field products and the forest border and the drug trafficking and the 0.92

00:18:17.520 chinese money money laundering and the the military cooperation and the police cooperation with china

00:18:23.100 and all the stuff that's annoying them, right? 0.95

00:18:25.760 They were putting the tariffs on to get us to come to the table

00:18:29.980 and start resolving some of those arrogance.

00:18:32.220 And instead, we've given them a double middle finger

00:18:35.520 and are trying to talk with the European Union.

00:18:39.220 Like, this is not a good long-term strategy at all.

00:18:42.740 I appreciate the call.

00:18:45.400 I'll put you down as a not in favor of the EU.

00:18:50.560 Cheers.

00:18:51.960 All right, thanks.

00:18:53.100 Yeah, you took parts of my speech, but I'll just finish what I was saying.

00:19:01.520 So the EU is more than a simple economic union of people that agree to do trade with each other.

00:19:09.960 It's not a free trade zone.

00:19:12.140 The European Union goes farther.

00:19:16.800 For us, it would now mean almost like a fourth level of government.

00:19:20.520 Can you imagine?

00:19:21.040 I live in Rocky View County, I got the Rocky View County, I got my provincial government, Ottawa is my federal government, and now I'm going to have my European Union Parliament, like I'm going to have four levels, and am I going to have to pay taxes to the EU as part of this?

00:19:37.040 because in Europe, they do pay taxes to the EU.

00:19:40.260 I mean, these organizations don't fund themselves, right?

00:19:43.400 And so, and we're a member of the UN

00:19:46.080 and we're a member of NATO

00:19:47.280 and we're a member of all these places,

00:19:49.120 all these organizations that make rules on our behalf.

00:19:52.060 But sticking to the EU,

00:19:53.640 so the EU is more than just the free trade zone.

00:19:57.000 They have their own government

00:19:58.160 that passes environmental laws

00:20:00.220 and agricultural laws and labor laws

00:20:02.400 and things like that.

00:20:03.500 So, like I said, I gave the example of cattle,

00:20:06.300 But the European Parliament could pass a law that says, you know, we want whatever, you know, 50% electric cars on the roads by such and such a date.

00:20:18.180 So that scares me that it's potentially a fourth level of government.

00:20:24.520 And then the EU does other things like they share a currency, which is why Britain wanted to leave, which is why Norway never joined.

00:20:35.840 I'll come back.

00:20:37.040 Maybe we found a topic that's interesting for people.

00:20:39.740 Go ahead, call the name, and what's on your mind?

00:20:43.080 Hey, Marty.

00:20:44.020 It's Diane from Devon.

00:20:45.300 How are you?

00:20:45.900 Hi, Diane.

00:20:46.740 Good.

00:20:47.020 How are you?

00:20:48.940 I'm good.

00:20:51.420 The European Union represents the new world order,

00:20:58.760 and that's what they're drawing us into. 1.00

00:21:01.260 and the wef and agenda 2030 and everything with it which and trudeau he was too stupid he was a 1.00

00:21:13.220 bumbling idiot but he was sent to do that job and carney is he's a smart man and he's a master at 1.00

00:21:23.360 and a good liar yeah yeah and and i agree and and especially if you think about it this way too right 1.00

00:21:33.380 um in a if if canada joins the eu which way are the benefits flowing is canada benefiting or is

00:21:42.160 the eu benefiting which one do you think benefits most the eu because they're getting us away from

00:21:49.640 the united states and the united states dollar and donald trump and so on and so forth

00:21:56.760 and that's why because they don't want us with trump because trump i i said this before on your

00:22:04.300 show trump is a stumbling block that they've been trying to get rid of for 10 years and they didn't

00:22:11.360 expect him to be to be um elected and there the even the deal the the trade deal we had with trump

00:22:20.440 there was no effort put into that and then when there was possibly one it was just called off for

00:22:27.000 nefarious reasons that none of us even know or we didn't see the trade deal or whatever

00:22:32.480 yeah no we're on the same page 100 we already knew we were on the same page but that's 100

00:22:40.160 percent and i just want to say two two little things um the the the canadian the sorry the

00:22:48.160 little party has been masterful in the media manipulation of people's minds and last week

00:22:56.640 i went to get an oil change and i said to the guy at the desk i said um hey it's not very busy in

00:23:05.680 here and he goes yeah he said we don't really like cut payoff like donald trump that's what

00:23:11.600 he said to me and i just looked at him i thought not not even talking about politics then i went

00:23:16.400 to the grocery store and i said to the girl at the self-checkout i said something about um the

00:23:22.240 price of beef or something and she said yeah we have donald trump to blame oh my god so those of

00:23:28.160 us who are on the side we're on you and i and then there's all these other people that their mind is

00:23:34.240 just consumed they can't even have a conversation without bringing him into it it's and it's crazy

00:23:41.400 right trump derangement syndrome i mean i i i used um artificial i used ai you know chat gpt and i

00:23:48.440 said is there any other example of of trump derangement syndrome and it's like none there's

00:23:53.800 no no no other politician anywhere in the world has ever done what trump does people who've never

00:23:59.760 met him people who can't even single out a single one of his policies hate the man and are willing

00:24:06.460 to blame everything on him it's bonkers absolutely and that's that's what the problem is so we have

00:24:13.480 and you're i just listened to what you're saying about going to the town hall and trying to be

00:24:17.780 reasonable with people who can't be reasonable with people and you know what i'm 65 and i already

00:24:24.060 told you that before it's my age group they're crazy with shooting the finger at people and

00:24:30.560 being so vulgar and disrespectful unbelievable that like how they treat the um the Alberta

00:24:38.220 separatist people that are out and about how how rude and mean they are to them and it's my age

00:24:45.200 group and i got grandkids i got granddaughters and i'm worried about their future because they

00:24:54.480 are not going to have anywhere near to the future that i have been very fortunate to have wow and i

00:25:02.320 will end it on that note no no thank you um thanks for a voice of common sense and and you just

00:25:10.240 remind me of one thing too the you know like the vandalism that we're seeing of the signs some

00:25:15.600 people are being caught vandalizing signs and stuff like that on both sides on both sides

00:25:20.640 and it's not kids right it's not teenagers running around with spray paint it's older people

00:25:26.080 like you said it's bonkers it's my age group yeah it's retirees like i'm at the end as a boomer so

00:25:33.040 i'm kind of uh like i kind of grew up like a gen x or two i'm at the end of the boomers i'm not an

00:25:39.280 old like an old boomer but that but it is my age group it is it is i'm considered a poomer

00:25:46.160 and i'm like are you even kidding me like glow up and act your age it's craziness insane all

00:25:52.000 right yeah thanks for calling diane always good to hear from you yeah cheers take good care of

00:25:58.160 yourself all right thanks bye well everybody's finished my thoughts on but i'll finish my

00:26:03.120 thoughts on on the on eu right so um we're it's it's joining like i said last week if you try and

00:26:13.920 if you try and take the pieces and just like diane says if you take the evidence and you look at the

00:26:20.300 at evidence at events right if i look at speeches and and and rules and things that governments

00:26:26.020 have done and politicians have done and i'm trying to figure out where are they going with this i

00:26:30.380 can't get to it the evidence doesn't lead to you know i'm following a trail but i can't see where

00:26:35.600 the trail goes but if i do something different if i if i start with the end goal and if i start with

00:26:42.500 like she mentioned agenda 2030 or or some of these other you know a new world order if i start with

00:26:49.080 that and then i go backwards now all of a sudden the evidence point you know fits so um and the

00:26:57.560 EU, joining the EU falls exactly under that. As it stands right now, Canada has a trade agreement

00:27:07.160 with Europe. It's, I can't remember what it's called, like CETA, C-E-T-A or something like

00:27:12.260 that. John, I don't know if you can look it up or if somebody can, like it's the, it's a weird name.

00:27:16.400 It doesn't exactly stand for, you know, it's not like the European Free Trade Agreement.

00:27:20.600 We've been trying to get a European Free Trade Agreement for about a decade and we don't have

00:27:24.800 one but we have something else so we do have an agreement and consequently we can trade with

00:27:32.060 europe in 90 you you got something there john uh comprehensive economic and trade agreements yeah

00:27:40.280 okay so i had the acronym correct so it does exist we have something and so any trade we do with

00:27:45.160 europe currently is tariff free there's no tariffs but so why would we need to join the eu to there's

00:27:54.360 no benefit to joining the EU. I certainly don't want to share their currency. Got to

00:28:02.360 call her on the line. Okay, we're not going to interrupt the callers. Let's have fun with

00:28:05.560 the folks. Go ahead, caller. Where are you calling from? What's on your mind?

00:28:10.660 Hello, Mr. Marty. This is Dale calling from ECWL.

00:28:15.080 How are you?

00:28:15.880 I am wonderful. I just am watching a private parade for me as the cows are moving past my property.

00:28:29.720 I don't know how I can, I can barely hear you. Can you do a little adjustment? I don't know,

00:28:38.160 put your ticket off speaker or something. I can barely hear you. Oh, yeah, very choppy.

00:28:45.880 I have an earbud in.

00:28:51.960 Okay, sorry.

00:28:53.420 That caller can call back.

00:28:55.480 I don't know what it is.

00:28:56.740 Some people have,

00:28:58.440 on your cell phone,

00:29:00.000 don't put it on speaker.

00:29:03.140 Just, you know,

00:29:04.120 hold it up to your ear.

00:29:06.540 So, back to the EU.

00:29:09.980 So, we have no advantage

00:29:11.080 to joining the EU, okay?

00:29:12.420 None whatsoever,

00:29:13.820 other than extra regulations

00:29:15.340 and maybe it would be a shared currency down the road,

00:29:19.360 but I don't want to share a currency with them.

00:29:22.240 If there was a currency I'd be interested in sharing,

00:29:24.800 it'd be the American one, not the European one.

00:29:27.560 So we already have a trade agreement.

00:29:29.300 And then this is the other part that scares me,

00:29:33.220 is that when you look,

00:29:34.960 Carney's been talking about diversifying our trade with Europe, okay?

00:29:39.720 We do, don't quote me exactly on the numbers,

00:29:42.500 but we do about $700 to $800 billion worth of trade worldwide, Canada does,

00:29:51.580 and 70% of it is with the U.S., okay?

00:29:54.780 70% is with the U.S., and then we've got a good chunk with China and Mexico,

00:29:58.580 and then the rest is scattered around the world.

00:30:01.420 In Europe, our biggest trade partner in Europe is England.

00:30:07.460 And before I go to that, when it comes to trading with Europe,

00:30:11.660 we're in the trade deficit okay so with the americans we send them like 300 billion dollars

00:30:18.100 worth of goods or sorry 500 billion dollars worth of goods and we buy back from them like 300 billion

00:30:23.360 so we're we're in the net positive with the americans with europe we're in the negative okay

00:30:29.180 we buy more from europe than we sell to them so we don't sell them a lot of minerals and stuff like

00:30:34.840 that but we buy financial services and cars from germany and food from france and and you know

00:30:42.160 beer from ireland and stuff like that there's only one country in europe with whom we have a positive

00:30:47.960 trade um balance and that's not even an eu country that's the uk so with england we sell more to them

00:30:58.980 than we buy from them,

00:31:00.600 which you'd think is good on the surface

00:31:03.540 until you dig into it and then you realize,

00:31:06.200 what are we selling to the UK?

00:31:08.560 Gold.

00:31:09.380 We're selling them gold.

00:31:10.980 And what are we getting in return for their gold?

00:31:13.940 Devalued paper currency, okay?

00:31:16.520 So if Carney thinks that joining the EU

00:31:19.520 is just going to improve

00:31:21.060 or make them want to trade more with us,

00:31:24.440 to be determined, to be seen,

00:31:27.280 but there's nothing that indicates that that would happen.

00:31:31.520 So I only see some really negative upside to the EU.

00:31:38.520 Again, unless you think about it in the endgame,

00:31:42.580 and there's two endgames,

00:31:43.820 if Agenda 2030 is a reality,

00:31:49.520 so joining the EU pushes towards that,

00:31:51.700 and then the other endgame is what's happening at home.

00:31:54.880 If you want to piss off Donald Trump even further than imposing counter tariffs on him and mocking him and everything else, then you sign a deal with Europe, which will aggravate Donald Trump.

00:32:07.360 And Donald Trump bit again, this escalated. So this week he signed another executive order. As I had as I hinted at last week, he has now formally banned government U.S. government agencies from buying Canadian goods.

00:32:25.400 so the U.S. government cannot buy Bombardier jets

00:32:31.280 they cannot buy Bombardier snowmobiles

00:32:33.960 they can't buy boats from us, ammunition from us, food from us

00:32:38.560 so that's not, it's an interesting way around the tariff

00:32:43.200 I don't know how much goods the American government consumes

00:32:48.160 but I'm going to guess it's in the trillions of dollars

00:32:50.520 and if a lot of it came from Canada, that's it, that's a big hit for us

00:32:54.480 So anyways, I think I think we killed the EU discussion, but I I had to talk about it because it is on the news and it's been interesting to watch people do their mental gymnastics trying to justify joining the EU when when in fact there was nothing stopping us from doing trade with the EU.

00:33:14.800 We have a great agreement with them. We can trade with any country we want, but we just haven't.

00:33:20.360 And by the way, it's very interesting also to, like I said, not every country is in the EU, right?

00:33:27.300 The UK dropped out.

00:33:29.380 Norway never joined.

00:33:30.940 Norway never joined.

00:33:32.040 And I think that in the Alberta context, that's really important because Norway is often mentioned as an example of what Alberta could be like, right?

00:33:38.700 They're almost identical in size and population.

00:33:43.140 Economies are based on the same things, but Norway does far better than us.

00:33:47.320 and people at the end of the day say that the big overwhelming difference

00:33:50.280 between Norway and Alberta is that Norway is not landlocked.

00:33:53.700 That's valid. That's a good one.

00:33:55.520 I wish we weren't landlocked, but so Norway is not in the EU

00:34:00.040 and then some very rich countries, right?

00:34:02.540 Switzerland, Liechtenstein, none of the former Russian satellite states

00:34:08.240 are in the EU, neither is Iceland and a few others.

00:34:11.940 So we'll see where this goes.

00:34:16.100 On the plus side, Carney said that before committing us to the EU,

00:34:20.040 he would bring it to Parliament and have it debated.

00:34:24.180 Again, he's got a majority in Parliament.

00:34:26.180 Is this something real? I don't know.

00:34:28.780 All right, so what was the other story last week I wanted to talk about?

00:34:33.080 Closer to home, wanted to talk a little bit about the Calgary-Shaw by-election on Monday.

00:34:40.760 I was a little surprised.

00:34:43.580 John, do you have a chart real quick that can show the results?

00:34:48.020 So I watched it.

00:34:49.840 The voting occurred Monday.

00:34:52.700 The polls closed at 8 p.m.

00:34:55.220 And then Elections Alberta had their website and the data started coming in.

00:34:58.720 The data didn't fully come in until about 10 o'clock.

00:35:01.700 It was pretty quick, two hours to count.

00:35:04.120 And I was actually plotting as the night was progressing.

00:35:07.940 So right off the bat, as soon as the polls closed, the first thing that Elections Alberta published was what they call the special ballots.

00:35:18.560 So those are the mail-in ones, basically.

00:35:22.900 And there was something like 900 mail-in ballots.

00:35:29.060 And immediately, right out of the gate, the NDP led after just the mail-in ballots.

00:35:35.620 like it was something like 600 to 300 so pretty big uh gap right out of the gate so on paper uh

00:35:44.180 in the mail-in ballots the um yeah scroll down please john to the very the mail-in ballots are

00:35:50.820 at the very bottom it's the last ones uh there they are so mail-in ballots was uh oh special

00:35:59.460 ballots you have it right there actually it was it was less than i thought 279 111 so 279

00:36:05.540 for the NDP, 111 for the UCP. So 430 special ballots. Those are the basically the mail-in

00:36:11.220 ones. And then after that, I started plotting as the different polling stations were reporting in.

00:36:19.700 And you could see that by the time about 50% of the polling stations had reported,

00:36:26.000 the overall count had flipped and the conservative was in the lead. And then the conservative

00:36:31.120 have maintained the lead right until all 68 polling stations were reported. Got a caller

00:36:40.280 on the line. Let's go to the caller. Go ahead. Where are you calling from? Your name, please.

00:36:46.420 Good afternoon. Mr. Marty, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Now I can hear you.

00:36:53.860 Okay. There is a bit of a time lapse delay in our speaking.

00:36:58.780 Okay. Go ahead. What's on your mind?

00:37:01.120 Okay. One of the previous callers, since I got called away, was mentioning the boomer era. I am also coming up to 70 years, and I have noticed that within my circle of acquaintances, those who are in this age group, if they've had no computer skills in their life,

00:37:29.660 They solely depend on all of their information from media, from CBC, CTV, global.

00:37:40.220 I also have found that entering into any discussion with them, they are immediately closed off.

00:37:48.760 They have no open window to discuss whatsoever.

00:37:53.720 Yeah, that's, oh, did I lose the caller, John?

00:37:57.780 Are you still there?

00:37:59.660 i'm still here okay okay no um yeah i i mean that's that's valid i yes that's valid i i agree

00:38:09.380 that the you know older canadians are getting their information on on on the mainstream media

00:38:15.560 on the cbc and stuff like that but there's i think there's something else too right i mean they're

00:38:21.900 they're they're perhaps they're more nostalgic for i think that nostalgia is another part of it

00:38:29.480 right? They're very nostalgic for Canada was a great country, right? I think it was a great

00:38:34.280 country. Like if you were a boomer and you were a young adult, like let's say 35, 40, that was in

00:38:41.180 the 1970s, right? Like how wonderful was Canada in those days? And so I think that's part of it,

00:38:47.740 right? They're just hanging on to a past that doesn't exist. Does that make sense?

00:38:52.640 Absolutely makes sense. Which is a wonderful segue into my other points to ponder. I observed

00:39:04.760 that during the Seattle Poll of 2020 that there seemed to be this hypnotic trend that

00:39:13.560 covered the whole globe. And when you think about it, all of the media in all of the countries

00:39:21.540 were in alignment parroting the same phrases over and over and over but when you actually

00:39:30.100 think about it when people go to an entertainer who is a hypnotist he will repeat or she will

00:39:39.700 repeat words over and over and over to put them into that trance yeah we watch them get up on

00:39:46.500 stage we watch them cluck we watch the park we watch them do whatever but the only person who

00:39:53.460 can bring them out of that thing is the person who puts a sink in the trash yeah the media has

00:40:00.980 made the effort to bring anybody out of the trash and people are still where your mask

00:40:07.700 yeah okay um all right thanks for the comment um fully agree fully agree thank you yeah yeah thank

00:40:25.000 you um yeah that one was a little choppy i don't know if the viewers were able to hear all of it 0.55

00:40:29.920 But the it's yeah, it's easy to blame boomers.

00:40:35.180 I I'm I'm I get a lot of flack for that online.

00:40:38.720 I'm not a boomer. I'm on the tail.

00:40:40.640 Like I'm I was born in 67 and the the Generation X is generally considered, you know, 1965 to 1980.

00:40:48.920 And and then I'm not the I'm not the son of boomers either.

00:40:53.380 My parents are my parents were born in the during the war. 0.95

00:40:57.440 and I've been very critical of the boomers 1.00

00:41:02.800 and people always ask me why I'm critical of them 0.97

00:41:06.020 and my criticism of a lot of boomers

00:41:09.420 is simply their inability to have some introspection

00:41:13.560 and to be able to think broadly 0.95

00:41:15.660 like one of the number one complaints I hear about boomer 0.98

00:41:19.700 that I have with boomers 0.99

00:41:21.120 is how they absolutely insist on the fact that 0.99

00:41:23.960 they think they had it harder than anybody else and i'm like that's that's like just because you

00:41:31.160 didn't have a cell phone when you were in your 30s or whatever is not a sign of of hardship like

00:41:36.680 and and and and and then they insist that everything that they have they worked hard and

00:41:42.720 i'm like everybody worked hard everybody had hardship everybody like and it's a criticism

00:41:48.600 of every generation criticizes other generations.

00:41:51.720 I get that.

00:41:52.420 But the boomers have a certain way of,

00:41:56.460 to me, beyond any other generation.

00:41:59.900 Like, I mean, they cannot be introspective.

00:42:04.200 And the one thing they always bring up

00:42:06.140 that annoys me is that,

00:42:07.500 oh, they lived through 18% interest rates.

00:42:10.040 For what?

00:42:10.520 For four or five years,

00:42:11.480 you had 18% interest rates.

00:42:13.180 Back when a house cost you $40,000,

00:42:15.980 a car cost you $3,000,

00:42:17.400 and your salary was $27, like seriously. 1.00

00:42:20.700 And so that's my criticism of boomers 0.70

00:42:22.560 is can you just simply admit, 1.00

00:42:24.600 and I'm glad I had two ladies call 1.00

00:42:27.040 and be critical of the rest of their cohort. 1.00

00:42:33.100 Like it's not a lot to ask to do some introspection

00:42:36.060 and realize that maybe you have had it good.

00:42:39.320 I mean, I think the future of like,

00:42:44.760 if you were, if you're 24 years old in 1980, compared to being 24 years old in 2026, it's a completely different future, man, like completely different future. Anyways, we're going to run out of time, which is crazy. So I just would go back to the, so let me finish on the election, because I actually wanted to talk about the by-election a bit.

00:43:11.000 But so the elections, as the pollings came in, the conservative took the lead.

00:43:15.860 And then all of a sudden, the last polling station officially is all the advanced votes, because now you don't just vote on the Monday, right?

00:43:23.220 You can vote for like days leading to the election.

00:43:25.860 And when they when they revealed that number, all the pre-election votes, boom, the writing flipped again and the NDP won it by whatever, 500 votes.

00:43:36.240 So you got on the day of the election, you have a trend.

00:43:39.580 So all the voting on the day of the election favored the conservatives, all the voting by special ballots and advanced voting favored the NDP by a large margin.

00:43:52.580 And my question to people was simply this, was this just an anomaly? Is this always how it's going to be? Like, you know, that the left is very good at mobilizing people to do the advanced voting and the special ballots.

00:44:11.300 but more generally speaking are you shocked by the election results is this just what because

00:44:19.040 it's common during um it's a common way for people to send a message to the politicians right so was

00:44:26.520 this just the way because if you look at it it kind of appears as if the conservatives didn't

00:44:31.160 go out and vote okay the ucp didn't go out and vote nearly as much because this writing was a

00:44:36.440 big, strong conservative riding in the last couple of elections.

00:44:41.080 Now, mind you, Calgary Shaw is in the very far south end of Calgary, and it's where the

00:44:48.180 city's growing.

00:44:49.680 And I think the immigration population in Calgary Shaw is about 30 to 40 percent.

00:44:56.360 So it's not the same demographics as a decade ago.

00:45:00.620 It's an area that's had a lot of cheap housing build up. 0.97

00:45:06.440 But is this a message for Danielle Smith that the Conservatives are a little pissed off?

00:45:14.340 Or is this a message that Nenshi is popular and his message is resonating?

00:45:20.620 And is this a legitimate win for the NDP?

00:45:24.400 I don't know how to call this one.

00:45:28.320 At the end of the day, I do worry.

00:45:30.600 I'm on the record of saying this.

00:45:32.220 I don't like the fact that we have special ballots that don't require a special reason to get, right?

00:45:41.920 So in the good old days, if you wanted a special ballot, you had to apply for one and say,

00:45:47.240 I'll be out of the country. Either I'm doing military service or I'm studying overseas.

00:45:51.460 Or even if you had a vacation plan, you needed to know well in advance that you weren't going to be in the country.

00:46:00.620 today you can just apply for a special ballot like that and they don't ask you why they just

00:46:05.840 send it to you and and already in terms of uh the upcoming referendum elections alberta is already

00:46:13.020 saying something like 200 000 special ballots have been mailed out given to people doesn't mean that

00:46:18.800 they're going to vote and return them i guess it's pretty complicated right if you get your special

00:46:22.080 ballot for the referendum you're getting 10 sheets of paper in there so you have to vote on all 10s

00:46:27.880 you have to, you also have to, I don't know if you, I haven't done it myself. I think Corey

00:46:31.720 Morgan did it or somebody else did it. Maybe you guys can, can, can let me know, but apparently

00:46:37.040 you have to provide proof of identification. And I think you have to actually mail in your birth

00:46:42.260 certificate or something like that. And then you get it back later. It seems some people have said

00:46:48.240 it's a little bit complicated. So I'm glad, I'm glad at least it's a little bit complicated, but

00:46:52.180 I'm still concerned by the fact that so many people have requested them.

00:46:56.980 I see a lot of opportunities for cheating.

00:47:00.160 Some people say, how can you cheat?

00:47:01.500 I'm like, well, there's no scrutineer.

00:47:04.660 I'm, you know, like when you're voting in public,

00:47:06.820 you still get your ID checked by somebody and then you're walking into a box.

00:47:12.120 And I know that when you're in a box, you're there alone.

00:47:14.340 You're not being harassed.

00:47:16.820 You're not being paid or whatever.

00:47:19.120 And there is some scrutineering.

00:47:21.700 And when you're done completing your ballot, scrutineers can witness you putting it in the box.

00:47:28.280 So there's a lot of controls there that are not there with all these mail-in ballots.

00:47:34.380 I'm not seeing what people are doing in their kitchen.

00:47:36.660 And I don't think there's scrutinizing that's happening when all these ballots are being received.

00:47:41.820 So that's a big gap in there.

00:47:44.040 So much so, and I guess, you know, just last week, coincidentally, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down mail-in ballot restrictions.

00:47:58.680 So Donald Trump tried to get mail-in ballots, whatever, restricted because we've seen this pattern.

00:48:08.880 The pattern at the U.S. election two elections ago, the Joe Biden election had the similar pattern.

00:48:14.500 When you when you plot what happened with with Calgary Shaw, like when you plot the two trends, you've got the UCP and the NDP, you know, neck and neck.

00:48:24.580 And all of a sudden, boom, a big flip at the end when a bunch of mail in ballots are revealed.

00:48:29.120 And the same thing happened in the Joe Biden election.

00:48:31.660 There's a there's a famous image, a graph that people often share with that.

00:48:35.520 Anyways, Trump, in preparation for his upcoming midterms, tried to get that curtailed a bit, and he was unsuccessful.

00:48:48.440 The Supreme Court voted it down, rejected it, saying, you know, basically mail-in ballots are constitutional.

00:48:56.780 They are. I'm sure they are.

00:48:58.080 But like I said, I wish you needed to have a reason to get one.

00:49:02.580 um okay uh where are we at here what the what am i doing for time i got i can't tell what i got for

00:49:12.660 time i got one clock that says i got 10 minutes okay i got lots of time all right well let's talk

00:49:17.680 a little bit uh let's talk a little bit about uh independence then i guess it's uh the clock is

00:49:23.580 ticking less the october 19th is about uh just over 30 days from now and yesterday we had another

00:49:34.300 another report this time from the ufc because a lot of people have been asking what's it going to

00:49:39.660 cost for an independent alberta right and so alberta prosperity project presented something

00:49:46.140 keith wilson has his own group that presented something um different different academic groups

00:49:52.460 have presented and the government that danielle smith was on the record saying i think it'll be

00:49:56.820 400 000 or 400 billion and yesterday it was the university of calgary uh put out their report

00:50:04.000 and uh i not gonna lie i didn't have time to read their report but again it's another one that they

00:50:11.700 have a high-end estimate like uh in the in the 200 billion dollar or maybe uh is that the one

00:50:18.000 Yeah, $200 billion range to form our own country.

00:50:24.740 Again, I have no idea how they can come up to these numbers.

00:50:28.960 Like, if it's $200 billion to form our own country,

00:50:32.540 that would imply that we are currently getting $200 billion worth of services from Ottawa.

00:50:39.680 Like, the math just doesn't pass my test.

00:50:42.240 So I'll have to read that one.

00:50:44.460 Let's make that probably the topic of next week's show.

00:50:47.420 We got to talk a bit more about these costs.

00:50:52.800 But I just want to talk about it, though.

00:50:56.680 We've said this before.

00:50:58.940 A vote next week or next month, option two, let's say.

00:51:03.780 Option two is, well, let's put it the other way.

00:51:07.580 Option one is a vote for the status quo.

00:51:09.840 So if you vote for option one next week,

00:51:12.060 you are voting for absolutely everything to stay the same way

00:51:15.500 that it's been for 121 years.

00:51:17.240 So you're basically saying that paying, that being ignored by Ottawa is okay, that the fact that there's, you know, that your vote doesn't matter, that on election night at 8 p.m. when the polls close here, you already know the results because Eastern Canada has voted.

00:51:36.360 you're okay with that you're okay with uh your your cpp payments overpayments going to fund

00:51:44.340 to subsidize people in nova scotia and new brunswick you're okay with your employment

00:51:49.620 insurance benefits uh subsidizing somebody over there you're okay with gun bans you're okay with

00:51:55.560 everything that's happened for the last 121 years as far as you're concerned confederation is just

00:52:01.680 perfect. Peachy fine. And so you're going to vote for option one. And by the way, if you vote for

00:52:06.880 option one on October 19th, what do you think Carney's going to do the next day, right? Like

00:52:12.260 he's worried about our referendum. And so he's signing the MOU and he's throwing a lot of carrots

00:52:18.340 our way. But if we vote option one on the 19th, what do you think he's going to do? He's going to

00:52:25.040 say, well, Albertans are easy. They don't want any change. And I'm just going to keep doing what

00:52:30.680 i'm doing so back to electric vehicle mandates back to net zero back to emission caps back to

00:52:37.420 all of that so but if you vote for option two you're voting at this point to send a message

00:52:45.540 to ottawa and you're voting for us to for danielle smith to start working on a proper referendum

00:52:52.940 and if we start working on that then we need that that better plan of what it's going to look like

00:52:58.440 in the future but i'm still glad that groups have put forth these plan i i will study them uh in

00:53:05.640 detail in the coming days and we'll talk about it more next week but the idea that an independent

00:53:10.200 alberta would have to spend about 200 to 400 billion dollars is ridiculous i mean we've said

00:53:16.680 this before the day after a referendum vote it's business as usual we have to start negotiating

00:53:22.200 with with ottawa on the separation they owe us 335 billion dollars that's our share of the cpp

00:53:29.820 we owe them our share of the debt so we negotiate that we buy the airports we buy the national parks

00:53:37.180 and uh and then we sign up to some temporary agreements like we'll keep using their currency

00:53:45.000 or maybe we use the american currency do i need to go out overnight and build uh canada alberta

00:53:51.620 embassies all over the world no i don't so i can't see why these these big numbers all right i got

00:53:58.060 one more call you probably the last call this afternoon how are uh where are you calling from

00:54:02.420 what's your name please uh-oh oh did you just hang him up john or he hung up by accident uh

00:54:14.560 i don't have a clock on my screen john i got about five minutes right i um

00:54:20.420 four minutes okay four minutes um what all right so anyways my my simple you know um

00:54:31.380 think of it that way really think about that so option two you got nothing to lose by voting for

00:54:38.120 option two on october 19th and right now the best thing you can do it well apparently is to get a

00:54:45.140 mail-in ballot that's the other side is getting a bunch of mail-in ballots but make sure you get

00:54:49.460 out and vote but the most important thing you can do on that day is call your kids call your

00:54:54.360 neighbors call somebody and get them out to vote even if you think they might not be voting the

00:54:59.900 way we want to get them out to vote like go out and vote uh in the referendum and uh it's it's

00:55:06.340 just that important this could be one of the most important referendum most important elections as

00:55:11.820 an albertan right like i've said it how many times do does our vote not count in a federal election

00:55:17.720 Well, this one could be one of the most significant votes of your life.

00:55:21.620 So don't miss out on that one.

00:55:25.600 I was going to talk a bit about the Canadian interest rate.

00:55:30.880 That was another quick story.

00:55:32.520 I'm rushing right now.

00:55:33.500 Sorry, the rush.

00:55:35.320 Canada, the governor of the Bank of Canada kept the interest rate at 2.75, didn't increase it.

00:55:44.800 There hasn't been an increase now in a year and a bit.

00:55:47.720 He brought it down, and he's not going down, or he's been bringing it up slowly.

00:55:53.460 Concurrently, in the U.S., the Americans increased their interest rate from 3.75% to 4%,

00:55:59.900 and the governor of the central bank in the U.S. cited higher inflation,

00:56:07.300 a smoking hot economy, and other reasons.

00:56:10.920 And so he's trying to cool down inflation and cool down the economy ever so slightly.

00:56:15.100 and and if carney carney's pushing the same argument he's saying we have um a good economy

00:56:22.340 and the inflation numbers are pretty high but he's asking for lower interest rate so which side is uh

00:56:29.640 is telling the truth but i think in the coming in the next canadian interest rate adjustment

00:56:34.220 we'll have no choice it'll have to go up to match what's going on in the u.s um all right well i'm

00:56:41.660 I'm out of ideas, folks.

00:56:44.300 We exhausted the EU topic.

00:56:47.800 Thanks for calling in, folks.

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Western Standard - September 20, 2026

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