Western Standard - MARTY UP NORTH： The Federal Conservatives are losing Alberta

00:00:00.000 Welcome back, folks.

00:00:28.700 hey we're live for my second installment here of the marty up north show here at the western

00:00:34.800 standard uh thanks for joining um you know you got many of you uh saw my show last week i think

00:00:42.380 you you know some of you probably sensed that i was a little bit nervous and i was you know it's

00:00:47.440 a new show for me uh i'm not new i mean i'm not new to talking right i do a lot of talking it's

00:00:52.280 one of the things i love doing a lot of a lot of texting but um this format is new for me especially

00:00:58.600 having a a wonderful producer so i got john in the studio with me and john's coordinating the

00:01:04.760 chats and everything else so um and and i just want to repeat a little bit what we're trying to

00:01:09.800 do right so you guys know me uh i'm not a i'm not a journalist right i'm not a guy who investigates

00:01:15.960 stories i'm a guy who reads a lot of stories all day long i'm retired so that's one of the things

00:01:21.400 i got you know i'm lucky i can do that i get up in the morning and i start reading stories

00:01:25.400 and i like to comment on stories and that's what we're bringing out here for you folks i'm bringing

00:01:31.140 my show out here on the western standard and i and and we're doing it in as an interactive uh

00:01:36.760 show you know i'm going to talk a bunch but i also want to take your guys's calls

00:01:41.300 and uh and and have some dialogue and and on that just specifically um you know again we're we're

00:01:49.120 getting set up with the call-in process and we got a couple of little bugs to work out i didn't know

00:01:54.520 this was happening last week but apparently when you guys call right now it's not like we have a

00:01:59.280 switchboard with 15 numbers that where we can put people on hold and then suddenly they all pop up

00:02:04.240 basically when you guys are calling uh john is putting you in queue but we can only take one

00:02:10.200 call at a time so when i'm done talking with somebody he has to literally pick up the phone

00:02:15.720 so we'll work out those bugs don't don't stress about that too much but you see the number down

00:02:20.120 below uh so so call in um yeah so you know uh happy to be in this slot tough slot to be in today

00:02:29.240 right today uh being on one o'clock in this slot today i'm competing against uh the ladies in uh

00:02:35.240 hockey the uh women's uh uh gold medal game is going on in italy right now and uh i actually

00:02:42.360 have no idea how it's going last time i looked just before i got into the studio it was one

00:02:46.520 nothing for Canada we had a shorthanded goal so you know go ladies go quick story on that actually

00:02:53.140 I want to tell you a quick story I went to high school in Ontario I graduated in 1985 and when

00:02:59.240 I was a kid in high school I played hockey I played hockey past high school you know I even

00:03:05.920 coached but but in high school I had a phys ed teacher named Marion Covney and she used to teach

00:03:14.540 as phys ed but she coached my guys hockey team that i was on and she was a phenomenal player

00:03:20.120 and marion coveney we knew her as as miss coveney she went on to be actually the first captain of

00:03:27.400 canada's um women's national team in international competition so she became the first captain

00:03:34.320 of women of team canada in 1987 so uh just uh just a weird coincidence just wanted to put her

00:03:41.520 out there unfortunately uh ms coveney as i always knew her passed away after about of uh a long a

00:03:49.520 battle with cancer about three years ago but anyways uh whenever i watch women's hockey i

00:03:54.160 think about her um so you saw the title of the show today definitely want to talk a bit about

00:03:59.680 you know the topics that are current and and for me this week my twitter feed it's all about the

00:04:04.720 floor crossing um and and and you saw the title you know is is poiliev winning or losing alberta

00:04:13.120 uh we and and so let you know let's just dive into that i mean um you know a couple of days

00:04:19.840 ago poiliev was pierre poiliev mr poiliev the leader of the opposition was kind of put on the

00:04:25.920 spot in a scrum and he was asked you know are there any separatists in your party and he clearly

00:04:32.960 articulated that no there are no separatists in his party that his caucus is uh is all pro canada

00:04:41.120 and he himself declared himself as uh you know alberta born strong um canadian and uh so non

00:04:50.560 separatist which was which was an interesting comment um especially you know and it aligns i

00:04:57.520 mean i'm not surprised by it it aligns with uh the fact that he's a federal leader you know

00:05:02.640 I mean, the only federal leader that really can pronounce himself as a separatist, I guess, is the leader of the bloc, Yves Blanchet.

00:05:11.440 So I guess everybody else who's taken an oath to the king has to be pro-Canada and can't really declare themselves as separatist supporters.

00:05:20.060 But I was surprised that he went as far as saying that everybody in his party was totally pro-Canada.

00:05:27.120 and and you know and i think that cost him a little bit of uh popularity here in alberta i

00:05:33.020 mean i did my own little survey online the other day um because as i've told you guys i've actually

00:05:39.360 been canvassing i've been going door to door trying to collect signatures for the uh independence

00:05:43.620 petition so and i get to talk to a lot of people and you know when i ask people why they want out

00:05:49.160 a lot of people say they're just frustrated because our voices aren't heard which is valid

00:05:53.760 And then and then a lot of people have told me they never vote in federal elections, never have, which I find interesting.

00:05:59.840 So I did a poll today and I asked people, you know, if an election were to be held tomorrow and you're conservative leaning, would you vote for Pierre, you know, reluctantly?

00:06:10.900 Would you vote for Pierre happily or would you vote for somebody else like Max Bernier or another party or would you abstain?

00:06:19.980 So I gave, I gave those four choices and the, the pro voting for reluctantly or happily

00:06:27.280 was 60% and then 40% said they would do otherwise.

00:06:30.260 So I found that an interesting, um, that's, that's, that should be alarming for Pierre

00:06:36.380 and the conservatives.

00:06:38.500 And then, and then, uh, and then we just saw what happened yesterday, which was extremely

00:06:43.100 alarming, which also turned off a lot of, uh, Albertans in general.

00:06:47.380 but yesterday we had a floor crossing another one which is the third one um and we had uh

00:06:53.940 this gentleman named um uh matt generu who's an mp up in the edmonton area now matt's been a

00:07:02.280 provincial mla and a conservative and a federal mp so he's been in politics for a long time

00:07:09.780 and he's always been a conservative and he's been in a writing that's always been conservative

00:07:14.560 so then for him to suddenly say that he's uh jumping ships that he's had a change of heart

00:07:19.900 he said he had a change of heart because of uh pierre or not pierre because of uh mark carney's

00:07:25.360 speech in davos and uh i'm like well that's interesting because uh you know you'd have a

00:07:32.320 hard time convincing me that that you're in a writing that's been conservative for the last

00:07:36.400 you know 20 years and suddenly you're supposed to represent the people in your writing and you're

00:07:42.640 switching seats so um that was not a popular move yesterday a lot of uh backlash uh from that um

00:07:52.960 and and and so much so that uh people went to the office and it was quite funny because there's a

00:07:58.720 video circulating of somebody standing outside the office and the office is closed and you could just

00:08:03.120 hear the phone ringing inside ringing ringing ringing ringing and no one was answering it

00:08:07.360 which so you know in my opinion um carney is uh or poilier is perhaps losing a bit of support

00:08:15.220 in alberta which is should be very worrisome for conservatives in the rest of the country because

00:08:21.360 as we've said before without the without a strong conservative vote in alberta the the country

00:08:26.900 doesn't have a hope it's always going to be liberal and and and then the other side of the

00:08:32.500 story is that carney now you know he's rebuilding his majority his minority uh call it what you want

00:08:40.180 i mean he's close to a majority you know he needs uh 172 seats in the house of commons right now

00:08:48.900 he's at 169 because he did you know he he never had the majority to start with and he lost uh

00:08:54.420 freeland and um uh bill blair recently you know freeland went to uh in a role in ukraine and bill

00:09:02.260 bill blair is the canada's uh high commissioner to the uk which is basically a diplomatic role

00:09:07.160 so he's lost those seats and then he had a couple of other um departures so right now uh by by right

00:09:16.720 now officially carney has 169 uh seats he needs 172 for a majority and he's got three um by

00:09:25.160 elections over the horizon so in my i honestly think that mark carney is really close to a

00:09:32.520 it is a majority but it's not going to be a very good one because he'll always you know he has to

00:09:36.600 give up one of those seats to the speaker of the house i don't think he'll be happy with just 172

00:09:41.800 seat majority i think he can sense uh smell blood and i he can sense the weakness of the conservatives

00:09:48.520 And I wouldn't be surprised if Carney does something to send us to the polls in the new year.

00:09:56.020 I don't think Carney, he himself, I don't think he's going to go over to the governor general and dissolve parliament.

00:10:01.240 That would be brutally unpopular, especially after all the shenanigans that they've done in the last year, you know, proroguing parliament and him becoming prime minister without having a seat and all that stuff that happened 12 months ago.

00:10:14.480 So I don't think he's conscious of that.

00:10:17.420 so what's his best bet my best bet is that he's going to somehow or other try to uh allow himself

00:10:24.280 to be defeated in an upcoming vote so i think the most likely vote in the new year will be or not

00:10:30.840 new year in the coming months is budget believe it or not we have to you know we just approved

00:10:35.840 the budget but we got to re-approve the budget the budget for 2026 2027 is due right away because

00:10:41.120 fiscal year federally runs from you know april uh first to march 31st so like right away in about

00:10:47.920 six weeks we're done the 2025 2026 year even though we just approved the budget um so yeah

00:10:54.720 so it's been uh you know it's been a fascinating week uh from that point of view watching all of

00:11:01.280 that and uh and uh yeah i i think you know it's a we we're in for we're in for a really really

00:11:10.400 interesting time so i anyways i've spoken quite a bit uh you know that's my intro i mean i think uh

00:11:16.240 i think you guys can sense it i want to talk about uh i want to talk about the possibility of a of an

00:11:21.600 election in the new year i want to i want to hear your guys's thoughts on the floor crossing and uh

00:11:27.920 and poiliev's reaction is it enough is it not enough um things like that so you know john's

00:11:33.680 going to open up the uh the phone lines right now and if you guys want to call in uh please do so

00:11:39.040 and if somebody wants to uh also call in or and let me know um you know the score of the game i'd

00:11:46.560 be uh i'd be happy to know that um so just you know uh while we wait for a couple calls just uh

00:11:55.200 But just on the, if there is no election, if there is no election in the coming year, Carney still has a couple of by-elections that he has to worry about.

00:12:09.380 So he has a couple of people, you know, he still has to refill the seat that belonged to Freeland and the one that belonged to Bill Blair.

00:12:18.180 And then he has another one in Quebec that is vacant that was a real squeaker last year.

00:12:24.380 so you know even even if everything goes right carney still has a challenge to get his uh

00:12:31.180 his uh his majority um so you know uh and and then of course i was talking about

00:12:39.740 things that he's doing to try and uh sabotage himself um because he doesn't like i i don't

00:12:48.060 don't think he wants to you know uh drop the writ and uh launch it or call a snap election he doesn't

00:12:55.180 want to do that so he wants somebody to do that for him and the best way for him that for that

00:12:59.060 to happen is for him to get defeated in the bill and he's got a couple of bills on the table right

00:13:04.220 now that are not popular he's got c9 which is that the bill uh on uh free speech and you know

00:13:11.220 disguising what's it's the hate bill right they're they're inventing this thing they're they're

00:13:16.020 pretend or they're making a big deal out of hate and they're trying to pass laws making it illegal

00:13:22.660 to hate which in and of itself is a an interesting idea right there's nothing it's not illegal to

00:13:27.680 hate you know i i can say i don't like you there's nothing illegal about that if i don't like you and

00:13:33.740 i do things to uh that can harm you that's illegal but simply saying i don't like you is not uh a

00:13:40.260 crime but the liberals are trying to make that a crime we all know what's going on i mean especially

00:13:43.820 us here that are in, you know, with media or on the periphery, people that are expressing

00:13:49.460 opinions like I am right now, they want to shut down those opinions.

00:13:52.580 They don't like people that have opinions.

00:13:55.220 So the Liberals could try and get defeated on C9, but I think more likely they're going

00:14:00.380 to try and get defeated on the budget, right?

00:14:03.540 Last year's budget was a doozy with $70 billion in deficit.

00:14:10.240 it and and in just in the last three months since it's been announced they they keep piling on the

00:14:16.100 deficits right so the uh that that gst um credit that was relabeled as a um uh it's what do they

00:14:27.300 call it they called it a grocery is essential groceries benefit or something like that right

00:14:31.800 basically food stamps and and when they announced those food stamps a couple of weeks ago basically

00:14:37.180 that's another 12 billion dollar that wasn't budgeted for so you got 70 billion dollar deficit

00:14:43.260 you're adding uh you know the gst uh rebates you know the the the the shenanigans around that they

00:14:51.260 lost the um they were trying to go after uh capital gains right remember when they tried to increase

00:14:58.060 the capital gains uh exemption rate from 50 to 62 percent so uh you know they were doing all those

00:15:05.420 stunts and so i think in in the new year they're going to be hard pressed to uh to have a budget

00:15:10.940 that's on with a deficit of under a hundred billion dollars anyways okay so i got a call

00:15:15.740 on the line uh go ahead please and and state your name and tell me where you're calling from

00:15:22.940 maverro from sudbury ontario how's it going welcome to the show very good how's it going with

00:15:30.460 other than the brutal cold we got hit by mother nature this you know we we all got complacent

00:15:38.900 for a while here we had no snow on the ground and then suddenly she gave us a wallop but

00:15:43.740 But yeah, good otherwise.

00:15:46.180 What are you thinking?

00:15:47.180 What's your thoughts?

00:15:48.180 Okay, we're good.

00:15:49.180 All right.

00:15:50.180 Well, you're thinking that Army is going to put through something of a bill that is

00:15:59.140 going to tempt the other people, to tempt the opposition into a non-confidence motion.

00:16:09.580 So what I want to know is do you really believe they want that to fail

00:16:13.440 or are they going to use that opportunistically to push their various initiatives

00:16:18.880 because the Conservatives really don't want an election either?

00:16:25.100 Because the way you were talking makes it sound like they're kind of like,

00:16:27.980 yeah, push us into an election.

00:16:29.180 But I really don't believe that's the way they're going with all these,

00:16:32.800 as you said, shenanigans.

00:16:34.020 What do you think?

00:16:35.000 Yeah, no good point.

00:16:36.060 i mean uh you know the all the parties back to do they want an election from a financial point

00:16:41.740 of view all the parties released their full um financial statements from the last election right

00:16:47.740 they both ran uh 30 million dollar uh campaign so they're the parties are broke they have no

00:16:54.060 money in their coffers that said um the they can work together and try and pass bills together

00:17:02.860 under a minority government like they have for the last i mean let's face it right under trudeau

00:17:07.740 we had minority governments and it was kind of stalled and they they didn't advance anything too

00:17:12.620 too useful or controversial but i think honestly i think the liberals at this point they're stomping

00:17:18.620 at the bit right they want to they've been sitting idle they have an agenda and they really haven't

00:17:23.580 been able to push their agenda so i think they're good and they see they like i said they they see

00:17:27.980 an opportunity because the other parties are weak so i think the liberals are gonna are gonna push

00:17:33.820 for an election because going down this path we're gonna be down in a minority for the for

00:17:39.420 the conceivable future because we're gonna win lose a few more floor crossings things like that

00:17:44.380 so deep down i think that the liberals wanna they want an election okay all right you're not sitting

00:17:52.460 on the fence thank you marty yeah yeah no i i rarely sit on the fence that's one thing uh i i

00:17:57.980 usually uh have an opinion on but um yeah and actually that's an interesting thing too we we

00:18:04.540 uh i did go through the the financials not too long ago that you know the election was way back

00:18:09.500 in march april but they and they have um usually the parties have about five months to file their

00:18:15.980 their election spending in this instance for whatever reason the uh elections canada gave

00:18:21.660 them until almost the end of the year so that most of them didn't file until like december 29th

00:18:26.300 and i went and looked through it definitely the liberals and conservatives both went right to the

00:18:30.700 limit like they're allowed to spend 30 million dollars they both spent like right to the limit

00:18:34.700 you know 29 million 993 000 kind of thing uh the ndp were a little bit less uh well a lot less at

00:18:43.180 about uh eight uh eight million dollars which is also another interesting reason why i think

00:18:49.660 the liberals might want an election right now is because the the the ndp still don't have a leader

00:18:55.260 they're doing their uh actually the ndp have a leadership um debate tonight if i remember

00:19:01.420 correctly in uh bc there's a debate tonight and the lead and the leadership for the ndp starts

00:19:06.860 voting in the coming weeks and they'll announce a a leader shortly here but for all intense

00:19:13.020 purposes jagmeet singh completely destroyed that party i mean they they have three seats in the

00:19:17.340 the house of commons and i think they're trending to six right now so we've we've definitely become

00:19:22.700 a it's a two horse race it's the liberals versus the conservatives the bloc are still present uh

00:19:30.220 but um not enough i mean the the polls right now show that if the if well that's the other

00:19:35.900 important important thing right they're reading the polls and if if the conservative if the liberals

00:19:40.060 had an election tomorrow not only are they sensing they could win it they could they're sensing they

00:19:44.700 could win it and have a pretty solid majority so you know so then do you think that try and push

00:19:51.580 through or or take a risk on a more controversial bill right away because of that stance of not

00:19:58.780 of almost encouraging an election yes yes exactly actually i you you i was trying to think of what

00:20:05.420 this yes that's what i that's what i saying i mean they can do it with the budget and they can make

00:20:09.100 the budget unpopular the budget was barely popular remember they needed like to go get

00:20:14.700 um elizabeth may and she you know she she clutched her pearls and it's like i'll reluctantly vote

00:20:20.460 for it but at some point uh it might get so gross that she can't support it and then uh i also i

00:20:27.500 also see um another shenanigan that's happening right look at what they did this week or was it

00:20:33.740 this week or last week where uh carney appointed um let me let me backtrack right so the liberal

00:20:40.140 the the canada u.s mexico trade agreement is signed it's a like it's like a 16-year agreement

00:20:46.940 but it does have it does require a review period so there's so um because neither party neither

00:20:53.660 the mexicans the americans nobody uh you know invoke the uh the clause to get out of the deal

00:21:00.380 it's due for an automatic renewal and and carney this week appointed um some lady uh what was her

00:21:07.260 name um somebody yeah yeah yeah and and so and that was completely unpopular in it again it

00:21:15.820 looks like he's sabotaging the relationship we have with the us which i think he is because

00:21:21.580 um the worse it gets for us the more he keeps blaming trump and then the better that is for

00:21:29.020 him so carney will you know carney's distancing himself from trudeau and then he keeps blaming

00:21:34.460 trump and keeps portraying himself as the savior okay janice janice charrett there you go thank

00:21:41.220 you yeah and and it's somebody who's very kind of uh supported the uh or advised towards lockdown

00:21:49.840 or or pardon me towards invoking the emergencies act against the freedom convoy yeah so she has

00:21:56.900 this sort of authoritarian bent to her so i don't know what that means as far as negotiation tactics

00:22:02.800 I don't think that's particularly promising, because if we consider the U.S. any kind of a populist government, and whatever our government is, if you want to call it, well, whatever you want to call it, it's a little more of a technocratic government.

00:22:21.440 I don't know if they're going to get along well, these two individuals, if they ever talk face to face.

00:22:26.620 I think there's going to be some kind of tension, right?

00:22:29.420 yeah yeah yeah she's uh she's a career um politic not a career politician she's a career bureaucrat

00:22:36.780 right she's been in government for 40 years her claim to fame is she was uh president of the privy

00:22:41.820 council and stuff like that but i mean she has no no um no real credentials when it comes to

00:22:47.820 negotiating or or or diplomat or diplomacy with uh foreign governments um yeah yeah yeah no

00:22:56.140 appreciate the call thanks thanks very much marty yeah yeah um actually just on on that um yeah

00:23:05.980 you know he's right uh she was in privy council and she is one of the people who advise um trudeau

00:23:13.500 to invoke the emergency measures act so i mean that alone doesn't make her very popular with

00:23:18.940 uh with me um we got another call on the line uh go ahead

00:23:26.140 what's your name what's your name please yeah go ahead uh it's wayne mark no i live in

00:23:33.340 frazier lake in lovely north central bc in a very depressed uh mining lumber town

00:23:39.260 and i'm just generally really upset you know i'm it's not just albertans that are upset you know

00:23:46.240 like this country the wealth i've seen drawn out of it i was born in grand perry so i'm familiar

00:23:53.160 with some of the areas that you talk about sometimes and my concern today is

00:23:59.340 Tumblr Ridge and suppression of free speech on saying anything. The only guy

00:24:06.040 that had any testinal fortitude was Max Bernier. He called them out and it's okay.

00:24:14.840 Isn't that crazy? Sorry, you said Fraser Lake or how far? I mean you so you've

00:24:20.580 driven through Tumblr Ridge, right? Describe that part of the world for some of the listeners

00:24:26.200 who are not familiar with it. What does it look like?

00:24:30.880 I've never been to Tumblr Ridge, but both of my grandparents were first generation homesteaders.

00:24:41.740 So I'm a third generation of people that Justin Trudeau really hates. I've been to

00:24:48.980 grand prairie many times i spent a couple summers out there on one of my uncle's farms it's a

00:24:54.180 beautiful country they call it god's country like grand prairie and some of the ridges in the

00:25:00.420 mountains like that's like chetland i had a sister live in chetland and a nephew got badly hurt in

00:25:07.460 chetland in a sawmill they are analysts come to alberta to u of a and i think that's the only

00:25:14.260 reason he's alive like you get hurt in bc you go to alberta to get health care it's kind of

00:25:21.460 depressing living in northern bc actually yeah i'm retired and gray i'm a little annoyed about

00:25:27.860 a lot of things okay okay no you know it's not just it's the reverse sector in general that's

00:25:34.580 had the crap beat of it by these progressive agendas like especially that we've taken yeah

00:25:41.540 Yeah. Thanks for that, Wayne. And, you know, yeah, especially that part of the world. I mean,

00:25:46.540 Tumblr Ridge is mining towns and it got, you know, it got crushed when the green agendas came

00:25:52.900 in and we weren't supposed to produce coal, even though we could produce coal very cleanly and

00:25:57.780 there's technology to clean it up when it's being burnt. And it's a very efficient way to, you know,

00:26:02.100 to make electricity and whatnot. But, you know, Tumblr Ridge was destroyed. But I want to go back

00:26:06.940 your point you brought up your you know your initial point was pretty spot on right uh the

00:26:12.140 events actually i'm kind of surprised that the events at at the as tragic as they were tragic

00:26:17.580 events it was extremely tragic what happened in tumblr ridge i'm surprised it didn't get politicized

00:26:22.140 more so i think uh both sides realized that maybe this wasn't the time to politicize it and it actually

00:26:30.300 fell off the um the uh the news cycle it didn't you know it's it's only been a week and already

00:26:36.060 people aren't talking about tumblr ridge so yeah thanks for calling wayne yeah yeah okay have a

00:26:43.740 good day yeah yeah you too cheers um yeah i i i'm actually yeah back to that i am surprised i i thought

00:26:51.340 for sure they were gonna you know use that to uh keep promoting that that gun ban that i think is

00:26:57.740 absolutely foolish and a complete and total waste of money i mean let's be real right the the um

00:27:05.180 the country has some real problems the country has some real problems and and they're not

00:27:10.380 being addressed right now i mean you know let's go back to to the economy and to trade with the

00:27:16.460 u.s and what's and and villainize making uh trump into a villain i i find that absolutely worrisome

00:27:24.620 because um you know we have a 200 and longer than that i mean we have a we we have a 10 000

00:27:32.700 year history with the americans next door if you forget about all the borders and stuff like that

00:27:37.180 but but quite honestly we have a 250 year history with them that's been super peaceful and uh

00:27:43.820 beneficial to both sides and to be antagonizing donald trump like we are right now i i i don't

00:27:50.460 want to go there but i'll i'll come back to that i got another call on the line so go ahead and

00:27:54.300 where are you from and what's your name please

00:27:55.660 it's with me mark dear home from clare's home alberta how's it going mark what's uh what's

00:28:05.020 on your mind bud good um just for a little context um back in the late 90s early 2000s

00:28:13.820 i was policy chair for reform out in crowfoot which is where pierre is right now um in 2009

00:28:21.500 and I came in second to Daniel Smith and Wildrose Rice,

00:28:24.820 just for those of you with political long memories.

00:28:28.660 So two things are happening.

00:28:31.080 I heard someone mention Maxime Bernier

00:28:33.700 way back when he first did his thing.

00:28:36.740 I reached out to his team and said,

00:28:38.960 if you will commit to only running

00:28:41.680 where a vote split will not elect a Trudeau liberal,

00:28:44.780 you will get support in Alberta.

00:28:46.980 So I just want to say that for people

00:28:48.400 that think Maxime's first driven snow,

00:28:51.260 He could have had a balance of power,

00:28:53.140 he could have had Alberta support

00:28:55.280 if he didn't do a threat of what we did as reform

00:28:58.900 by splitting with liberals.

00:29:01.600 Now that being said, Pierre is in Crowfoot,

00:29:06.020 which actually way back was a strong separatist movement.

00:29:12.000 And yeah, Pierre is losing us

00:29:15.720 because he's not standing up for us.

00:29:18.220 And I made a mistake by in any way agreeing to support Jason Kenney.

00:29:23.780 And bottom line, people that are lifelong politicians that haven't worked in the real world,

00:29:28.940 they don't understand what we're going through.

00:29:31.600 And they're making political compromises that are for power and not for the people.

00:29:36.940 Mark, you bring up so many good points, but I just want to ask a quick question.

00:29:40.660 So that writing from a provincial point of view, if I remember correctly, several years ago, like maybe in the 1980s, actually elected an MLA from a separatist party.

00:29:54.760 Is that right? Do you remember that or were you involved in that?

00:29:59.700 I was a little young back then, even though I'm an old guy now.

00:30:03.800 Yes, there was a separatist and I can't speak to exactly when.

00:30:06.800 And I believe it was a by-election process, though.

00:30:10.300 But also, and to be frank, I broke ranks when Jack Ramsey was found guilty of the crime he committed.

00:30:21.020 But he had a history with, I believe it was Western Canada concept or something, and that was federal and reform.

00:30:27.880 For anyone listening, I do not stand by that man with the crime he committed, and I push for the nomination to get rid of him.

00:30:35.000 Okay. Yeah, yeah.

00:30:36.140 after he was found guilty yeah your your other point you brought up i should have brought that

00:30:40.760 up actually because you know as i said at the start of the show i did that little poll of who

00:30:44.880 would you vote for and and in my little poll which got about 1700 votes uh 10 said they would vote

00:30:51.580 for max or another party which for the time being is max right it's the ppc so this could if there

00:30:57.540 is an election again in the near future there could be a breakthrough for max and i agree i

00:31:03.220 mean i'm not a i'm not you know people who've followed me for a long time no i'm not a huge

00:31:07.900 fan of max bernie i'm just not i like the party i i kind of like what the ppc stands for but i

00:31:13.820 just don't like max himself and um and and i think they could have a breakthrough in a writing like

00:31:20.240 you've described right i i live in one of those writings i mean i live in uh i think it's been

00:31:24.980 renamed now i think i live in uh in cochran airdre is the name of the writing um uh my my mla or my

00:31:30.760 mp is uh blake richards right he's been there for six years and and it's it's um it's a safe

00:31:37.240 conservative writing but it but uh uh the ppc could run in a writing like that and take you

00:31:43.660 know 10 15 of the vote still not flip it but uh actually that's an interesting question anybody

00:31:49.000 got an opinion is there a good writing where would where would max have the best bet of flipping a

00:31:54.400 writing in in Alberta and federal writing yeah appreciate the call mark the

00:32:00.520 bottom line is okay sorry but go ahead bottom line bottom line is that if max

00:32:09.280 comes up and makes it so that we as reformers which is where the root is of

00:32:14.500 grassroots Alberta politics if he says I will not let both splits win then he can

00:32:22.180 getters on board, but without original reformers on board that paid a price for going up against

00:32:28.780 vote splits, it's not going to happen. He will never win in Alberta unless he gets a strategy

00:32:35.300 where we go pay. He's not thinking he can win an election. He's going for a balance of power

00:32:40.960 because most reformers I know actually like the principles of the party, but strategically,

00:32:46.840 he is failing us so he needs to move on or accept a strategy that can be incremental and move us

00:32:53.680 forward very good yeah yeah yeah i appreciate that thank you um yeah if if somebody's got an

00:33:00.440 idea where would what's a good writing or where's a couple of places where max should focus i i mean

00:33:05.600 i found max's strategy in the last few elections a little bit unusual right he uh he showed up in

00:33:11.000 winnipeg uh last federal election or yeah last election he put a lot of effort in manitoba that

00:33:16.720 didn't pay off for him i think he should go after ontario and alberta and uh and focus his effort

00:33:22.900 somewhere but uh so anyways while i while i wait for a call uh i just want to go back to the you

00:33:28.640 know what i was talking about antagonizing the u.s right um like it doesn't like we let's be super

00:33:36.680 super realistic i mean we we do on a monthly basis 65 to 70 billion dollars worth of trade

00:33:42.920 with the us or sorry we do 60 to 70 billion dollars worth of trade internationally with

00:33:48.840 everyone but out of the 60 billion we do like 48 billion is with the us every month like 70

00:33:54.760 of canada's trade is with the us and then and then the next nearest competitor it varies it bounces

00:34:01.480 back and forth once in a while it's it's england and once in a while it's china and even mexico it

00:34:07.080 depends on the month or the year and uh and and the next one is like is dwarfed right we do 48

00:34:12.920 billion dollars with the us and then we do six billion dollars with china or with uh the uk

00:34:19.160 i mean if we lose 10 of our of our uh of our markets to the us we can't replace that with

00:34:24.760 anything rapidly it's impossible i mean the the the all all the other countries we do business

00:34:30.840 with don't match what we do with the u.s so i i'm always i find this idea well let's put it this way

00:34:38.360 i think about politics and i think about a lot of things all the time that's one of the things i do

00:34:43.000 and and when you run out of you know when you exhaust all the options and all the theories

00:34:47.400 and you're only left with one then whatever's remaining is probably the most likely there's

00:34:52.360 some people call that oxen's razor and some people call that the sherlock holm principle or whatever

00:34:57.080 But some days I look at what Carney and the liberals are doing, and I do think they are sabotaging our relationship with the U.S. on purpose.

00:35:08.040 They're breaking things to try and claim that they're then going to fix them and appear as the saviors, which is nonsense.

00:35:15.860 All right.

00:35:16.080 We've got a call on the line.

00:35:17.540 Go ahead and name and where are you from, please.

00:35:21.960 Hey, this is Jeff.

00:35:23.400 I'm from Calgary.

00:35:24.760 Okay.

00:35:26.080 Welcome to the show.

00:35:26.680 Hey, so I want to talk about a couple of things, but mainly about separation and sort of what this floor crossing means for us.

00:35:41.700 I'm obviously an Alberta separatist.

00:35:44.800 I'm actually from where you're from originally, and I wasn't a separatist back there.

00:35:48.520 I don't tell you that.

00:35:49.180 But, yeah, so basically with these four crossings, you know, I'm fully suspecting that the Liberals are going to get their majority one way or another.

00:36:01.340 What I'm really concerned with is bills, like things like Bill C-8, where as things are ramping up and they've got the mainstream media on lockdown,

00:36:11.620 especially that provision about being able to remove internet access to you know anyone for

00:36:18.900 any purpose doesn't need to go through a justice that sort of thing is really scary for the

00:36:24.740 movement and so what I'm wondering is how do we preemptively protect ourselves from that do we

00:36:32.880 go underground do we is there channels that we could start you know being part of or building

00:36:40.800 maybe on you know the onion route or things like that just so that we because i can see it he wants

00:36:45.920 his majority so he can push his stuff through with zero pushback and you know no matter what's being

00:36:51.600 said about privacy and security they'll just push them through so they have the the stick to do that

00:36:57.520 stuff and stop alberta separation right so what's your thoughts yeah a lot to unpack there i mean um

00:37:04.400 yeah i often forget about c8 uh the reality is nothing's passed right now right so that's the

00:37:10.240 the one good thing i mean it is such a minority that uh that nothing's passing but but go back to

00:37:18.060 you were trying to make a connection to the floor crossing like what what what worries you are you

00:37:23.180 trying to stop the floor crossing or what are you worried about the floor crossing

00:37:26.600 oh sorry um i brought that up because you were talking about the floor crossing originally and

00:37:33.040 what i'm i'm uh you know i'm i'm segwaying into like he's going to get his majority

00:37:38.060 one way or the other. We can see

00:37:40.380 the writing's

00:37:42.480 on the wall, as we say, right?

00:37:44.460 Which, you know, as a

00:37:46.460 fervent separatist, I'm actually,

00:37:48.440 you know, man, I hope he gets it through

00:37:50.140 Crossing so that all the fence sitters

00:37:51.940 jump on board with us.

00:37:54.180 I can already see people that

00:37:56.140 were saying before,

00:37:57.320 they weren't going to do it,

00:38:00.100 they're like, no, we're fully on board

00:38:02.040 with separating us. You're going where I would

00:38:04.120 go with it, right? I mean, yeah,

00:38:05.800 think back on the election,

00:38:07.180 uh you know uh nine months ago was i upset on the day of the election sure i was but then

00:38:12.460 instantly i'm like oh well it's a good day for alberta separation so if these shenanigans

00:38:19.660 here's my point here's my stance on it it's pretty clear right i've i've pretty much given

00:38:23.900 up on canada i mean as far as i'm concerned i see canada as a failed experiment it's it's we brought

00:38:28.940 together 10 provinces with the idea that we were going to trade and and among ourselves and that

00:38:34.300 together we were stronger and it didn't turn out that way i mean you know we're weaker together we

00:38:39.340 get played so ottawa you know as an example i brought it up last week uh a trade delegation

00:38:44.780 goes to china and then and then saskatchewan got played against ontario in this instance

00:38:49.660 saskatchewan win gets uh gets uh uh you know a better canola oil deal but then ontario loses

00:38:55.820 because we import uh cars and and and and saskatchewan and ontario if they'd been separate

00:39:01.740 countries china wouldn't have been able to play us that way and neither would have carney so

00:39:05.980 anyways but you know the whole idea that confederate to me confederations fail it's done

00:39:10.220 it's failed and i don't see uh us repairing it you know meech lake happened uh charlottetown

00:39:16.620 accord the constitution of 82 it's done and even if we fix the things that are supposedly supposed

00:39:23.500 to make it fairly even if we had proportional uh seats in the house of commons and then senate and

00:39:28.220 stuff like that we're going to get outvoted all the time that little triangle between toronto

00:39:33.020 montreal and ottawa with its 27 million people will outvote us all the time so i so when the

00:39:39.820 floor crossings to me i have to view it as just more proof that the system doesn't work for us

00:39:46.140 i mean god if you're an if you're a if you're a citizen of uh if you're a citizen of uh of that

00:39:51.500 writing in edmonton that's been conservative for for 20 years and suddenly you know your

00:39:56.860 representative becomes liberal i mean how much of a rude awakening is it for those guys so

00:40:01.420 i think i think we're probably both on the same page there i i this the floor crossings and some

00:40:05.500 of the other shenanigans helps our movement at this point i'm glass glass half full every time

00:40:11.340 i i i joked about you know that lady that's been appointed to renegotiate on our on on canada's

00:40:17.500 behalf same thing i'm like well on the plus side when alberta becomes an independent country that's

00:40:22.380 who we're negotiating against right so does that answer the question or are we

00:40:27.660 on the same page there well we're definitely on the same page my main

00:40:32.400 concern was really about like hey it looks like it's gonna push us forward

00:40:36.300 but I feel like he's trying to get his majority so that he can get some of

00:40:41.160 those bills passed yeah through Senate like through through through the House

00:40:45.420 of Commons like C8 so that he can tie boss Alberta separation through a like

00:40:51.780 Like, so that they can start sabotaging.

00:40:53.840 Like, can you say, hey, these guys can't be on the internet anymore because they're a threat to national security, you know, through C8?

00:41:02.280 And we know that they're very loose with their interpretations of laws and bills, right?

00:41:08.980 And think of this, right?

00:41:11.460 If C8 and C9, which I think are very nefarious, contentious bills, if they pass with this kind of minority government, imagine the kind of stuff they're going to try and pass.

00:41:24.120 Like, how bad will it get if Carney ever gets a majority?

00:41:27.100 Like, if Carney got, you know, instead of 169 seats, if Carney had 188 seats in the House of Commons, what kind of stuff is he passing?

00:41:35.240 Well, we know what he's going to pass.

00:41:36.700 He gave us the playbook.

00:41:37.860 He wrote the book, right, value.

00:41:39.080 so we know if he gets his full majority the memorandum with danielle smith out the door

00:41:43.880 who cares there'll never be a pipeline if he gets his full majority full-on net zero full-on electric

00:41:49.560 full-on everything i mean look at what he did this week again quietly this week right nobody talks

00:41:53.880 about this but the um the the five thousand dollar subsidies for electric vehicles came right back on

00:42:00.440 on as of the 16th i think is as of tuesday they're back on they were reduced for a while because they

00:42:05.560 had no money in the budget but now they're right back and and carney can say one thing out of you

00:42:10.200 know i've reconsidered we're not good we're not doing net zero no no no no no yeah so that like

00:42:15.640 that's fearful my god if carney gets re-elected with a majority oh but and and then secondly

00:42:22.200 i'm still i'll ask you this one right i'm still not convinced if you're carney uh do you want

00:42:28.760 alberta to stay or leave because if alberta leaves you will forever have a liberal government in

00:42:34.040 ottawa because that's it right our conservative votes are gone and so you're left with ontario

00:42:38.760 quebec and the maritime so carney stays the liberals stay in power forever so do they want

00:42:43.320 alberta gone so they can stay in power forever or do they somehow want to keep alberta in

00:42:48.040 confederation but with a really tight rein and just keep milking us for our money like what do

00:42:52.600 you what what does carney want all right yeah no he wants to keep us in federation and and

00:42:58.520 you know if i'm going to be honest i i um i think that uh we basically i think that trump sort of

00:43:05.960 pulled the rug from under carney's little wef utopia i'm not going to go too much into that

00:43:11.800 uh but he's seeing it sort of fall apart here and he's sort of grasping at straws to

00:43:16.840 see if he can ever get his uh his agenda 2030 going here but i don't want to go too much into

00:43:22.600 conspiracy but the the reality is they need us for for the money because the moment we leave um

00:43:29.000 the you know part of the canadian dollar value is predicated on alberta resources and you know like

00:43:35.800 and we all know that the the i think that here's what i think i think he doesn't want to go to an

00:43:42.540 election and i think that he wants to get his majority through floor crossings and you know

00:43:47.020 his by-elections for simply for the reason that if he does that he doesn't have to table any bills

00:43:53.560 again right because you know for instance the online arms act was it was the second or third

00:43:58.360 time it was being tabled so if they go to an election then they got to restart a new parliament

00:44:02.740 and you know retable bills if he just gets his majority through floor crossing he can literally

00:44:09.180 say okay we're passing this this and this with all of these clauses that give us all the control we

00:44:14.040 need to do you know exactly what we need to do yeah so yeah yeah spot on no appreciate that Jeff

00:44:20.720 thanks for calling in man yeah thanks man cheers yeah yeah as I was talking to Jeff now you made

00:44:28.420 me think of a of another quick question maybe I'll throw it out there um actually before I

00:44:34.660 throw out that question uh John my producer just wants to remind you guys that we we can still

00:44:39.560 only take one call at a time so while I'm talking to somebody no sense trying to call in you just

00:44:43.940 to get a busy signal like we just don't have a giant switchboard here so as soon as i'm done

00:44:48.500 talking and or as soon as i'm done with the caller and i'm doing what i'm doing now's the perfect

00:44:52.500 time to call which uh let's go with the call i was going to say i had a commentary but let's

00:44:56.980 go with the caller go ahead caller uh name please and where are you calling from

00:45:00.660 hello hello go ahead oh wait how are you good good what's your name where are you calling from

00:45:15.440 Alan McCroy from Calgary okay go ahead Alan

00:45:20.260 uh just uh great great to see your new show congratulations and uh my my biggest uh problem

00:45:30.340 is is talking to my family and uh just the the negative uh non non-talkative response that i'm

00:45:40.160 getting from them and you know every time you know you mean you want to talk to and like just

00:45:44.680 bringing up a soft topic about what's going on is the fact that they just clam up and they get

00:45:52.200 argumentative and then they shut down the conversation like right away. Which is why

00:46:01.200 they always say, you know, no religion and politics around the table. Is there, so what

00:46:07.500 topic are they, what topic do you sort of try to bring up that they shut down? What's the least

00:46:12.620 popular one it's just mainly the sentimental value is trying to get around that corner yeah that yeah

00:46:25.520 that's a tough one so I assume you're talking you know separation in general right what what gives

00:46:30.800 them the fear of yeah yeah yeah there's no easy way around that one I I encountered that many

00:46:37.640 times as a canvasser, it's a common one, right? People, let me put it this way. The best answer

00:46:46.980 to that one is truly the fact that Canada, that they will always be Canadians, right? Some people

00:46:53.320 have a nice nostalgia for Canada. I mean, for those people, a lot of times I challenge them,

00:46:57.960 I'm like, what do you still like about Canada, right? A lot of those people, I'll get them to

00:47:02.920 admit that they're kind of stuck in the past. You're stuck in the 1970s, you know, they'll bring

00:47:06.680 up oh we used to be great peacekeepers or this or that you know some will go as far back as world

00:47:11.260 war ii sure we punched above our weight class for for a good part of the last century but but i ask

00:47:17.440 those people like what do you still love about canada and that that's where i get you know then

00:47:24.000 then the nos then they have to forget the nostalgia or they have to admit that they're just

00:47:27.800 fond of of a time past so then i'll bring them up and say well what about alberta right like let's

00:47:34.880 make our own alberta great you can do that you know either or but the other one that's effective

00:47:39.060 i find is um you tell those people you know i don't say well move to canada no no i just say

00:47:45.000 you're not you're never going to lose your can you're still going to be a canadian i mean canada

00:47:48.660 recognizes dual citizenship so if you're born in alberta in you know in the last century and we

00:47:54.900 become an independent country you're still going to keep your canadian passport so you're still a

00:47:58.680 canadian so that nostalgia is not gone and you're an albertan so then you know going forward you'll

00:48:04.580 year for team canada for team alberta at the olympics so that's how i mean it's yeah emotional

00:48:10.020 is tough and uh my my my way of i've had to you know um negotiate deals and help and get people

00:48:18.740 on board with projects and things like that over the years and a lot of times it's emotional and

00:48:23.060 my secret for emotional is to try and take it out of the equation and just be factual but yeah i mean

00:48:28.980 yeah i i i get it some people love canada does that help uh oh yeah yeah oh yeah i mean i've

00:48:37.060 used actually some of your uh your your like asking them basically just just the one question

00:48:42.580 what what is it that you know like you you want uh what is it that it's holding you there other

00:48:48.660 than like nostalgia what is it you know what give the one reason why you know uh canada so like what

00:48:57.940 What does Canada have to offer that Alberta can't basically have on its own

00:49:03.580 and can't do better than basically what is being offered from Canada?

00:49:10.520 And that's the one thing is they just can't seem to even answer the one question

00:49:16.120 or give one valid excuse other than nostalgia.

00:49:19.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:20.120 No, I'm actively trying to find somebody from the rest of Canada

00:49:24.980 who wants to come on one of my shows, even this show,

00:49:27.240 they want to come on here and have a a debate or a chat about it i actually i think i have somebody

00:49:33.080 lined up i won't say who it is but i got somebody who's not entirely he's not against alberta

00:49:38.040 separation but he could he's a but he's an ontarian who can articulate why we should stay

00:49:44.920 he actually supports us leaving but he can articulate in a pretty good way why we should

00:49:49.800 stay and so maybe i'll bring him on this yeah i want to give you props i want to give you props

00:49:56.280 because that one debate you had, I think it was Dave,

00:50:00.880 and he was on Rebel News yesterday with Stockwell Bay,

00:50:04.260 and he has actually came way further to the Separatist side,

00:50:11.560 and he is actually, from what I was gathering in the Rebel News with Stockwell Bay,

00:50:19.960 is that he was on the side of Alberta independence.

00:50:23.040 kind of and i just was like wow you know i mean that one debate he had with you you you you got

00:50:29.620 him thinking you got him basically like okay you know what you know maybe maybe what i was thinking

00:50:34.720 maybe maybe i am wrong and like i gotta give you the props and like good job thank you yeah

00:50:40.460 and that's thank you thank you for everything you do appreciate that no that's a question i've been

00:50:45.120 asked many times too like do you at marty do you ever change your opinion i'm like absolutely i

00:50:49.220 changed my opinion I mean I spent the you guys are going to hear this all the time right I'm

00:50:54.060 going to reference the fact that I'm an engineer I spent 35 years as an engineer as an engineer I

00:50:58.980 had to I learned a long long time ago you know if somebody asked me a question and I didn't know

00:51:03.780 the answer I learned that I had to say I don't know the answer boss I'll get back to you right

00:51:07.640 don't pretend but the other thing I learned as an engineer is I can't be stubborn on my ideas

00:51:13.440 you know if my boss says I want this car to go faster and I make a change and the car goes slower

00:51:19.040 well i can't insist on well my idea must be right no it's not right it's making the car go slower

00:51:24.440 so by so practically i had to learn long long time ago to be open to ideas and actually even

00:51:33.860 before choosing how to make the car go faster if there's two three guys to get together we have to

00:51:38.180 debate and pick an idea so for me the con i find it strange that some people are absolutely

00:51:43.380 unwilling to change their opinions especially when presenting with some pretty solid evidence right

00:51:48.120 uh just because i i guess in my personal life i practice uh what i'm preaching which is you know

00:51:56.220 presented with the evidence you have to change which is one of my number one criticism of

00:52:00.100 governments in general in the last 20 or 30 years all governments are i think are guilty of doing

00:52:05.920 this they move in a certain direction they have something that doesn't work and and they governments

00:52:11.100 in particular don't want to admit that something they tried failed you know like um i don't know

00:52:15.700 like is giving drugs on the to and and and having whatever safe consumption site positive or negative

00:52:22.100 if it's negative it's almost yeah oh yeah but it's almost like uh counter like counter uh you know

00:52:31.460 i mean you're like you're trying to you're trying to stop addicts by feeding them drugs like you

00:52:37.300 know like that how does that make any logical sense like you know and you know what i mean

00:52:43.060 You can just see what Vancouver has become.

00:52:46.320 It's just a cesspool of – it's like walking down the town of The Walking Dead,

00:52:53.600 like zombies.

00:52:55.880 Appreciate it.

00:52:56.600 Hey, listen, I'm watching at the clock, man.

00:52:59.020 Thanks for the call.

00:53:00.640 Thank you.

00:53:01.100 Thank you for what you're doing.

00:53:02.940 Yeah, yeah, thank you.

00:53:03.900 I wish we had more time.

00:53:05.480 Wow, I'm just blown away at how fast this hour went by.

00:53:09.860 I came prepared.

00:53:10.680 I got a little list here and I got a few topics for next week.

00:53:13.420 I guess we'll save next week.

00:53:17.240 Well, we'll see what Danielle Smith has to say in her address later this afternoon.

00:53:21.320 I think it'll have to do with immigration, which is something I wanted to talk about.

00:53:25.080 But we'll talk about immigration next week and we'll talk about popular names in Alberta.

00:53:31.860 Maybe somebody else talked about it on an earlier show.

00:53:34.600 I just want to finish one quick thing and I should have talked about it right off the bat.

00:53:39.060 But, you know, when I'm speaking of hockey, I just wanted to talk about Don Cherry, right?

00:53:45.180 Don Cherry, always been a great commentator.

00:53:48.000 Don Cherry's like 92, just turned 92 a couple of weeks ago.

00:53:51.080 And I always find it a shame that Don's never been given the Order of Canada.

00:53:56.720 But I learned last week that he's getting the Order of Ontario.

00:54:02.340 So, you know, I always credit where credit is due.

00:54:05.500 So if Ontario is willing to recognize the great Don Cherry as a proud Canadian, proud

00:54:11.280 Ontarian and give him the order, that's fantastic.

00:54:15.060 John's telling me I can take one more call.

00:54:17.020 So let's go ahead and let's take one more call, folks.

00:54:19.480 Go ahead.

00:54:20.020 Name and where are you calling from, please?

00:54:23.080 Hello.

00:54:23.560 Yes, I'm Timothy calling from Edmonton.

00:54:26.300 Nice to get on the show here with you.

00:54:29.040 Edmonton.

00:54:30.000 How's it going up in Edmonton?

00:54:31.700 Yeah, well, quite the news, obviously, from what occurred here just yesterday.

00:54:39.420 I think it just exhibits a little bit more clearly how much of a mess federal politics

00:54:44.500 is right now, that this guy that wasn't even nominated by conservatives in his writing,

00:54:49.740 but was selected by Pierre Polyev, then would flip, join the liberals, and now we now have

00:54:55.580 the liberal in a writing which has only voted conservative.

00:54:58.300 yeah like to me that just shows how absolutely absurd our system is yeah and then to top it off

00:55:04.600 I mean obviously Pierre Polyevs himself has his major problem of uh abandoning Albertans as well

00:55:11.040 like he came here just to gain a seat after he lost his own Ottawa and then immediately abandoned

00:55:16.140 us and said he's gonna run elsewhere next time so on the one hand we have the liberals with uh

00:55:23.080 multiple people hating Alberta, essentially, like Trudeau himself and Gilbo, who've explicitly

00:55:29.040 said that they hate our main industry. And Albertans running the country, as Stephen

00:55:37.140 Harper said, Trudeau said he hated that. But then we vote for conservatives, but then they

00:55:43.620 just take us for granted. And you have the PPC, you could vote for the PPC, but right

00:55:49.540 now, it's a little more than a podcast, essentially. Like the organization of the party itself

00:55:55.460 has been falling apart. And Maxime Bernier himself, he had opportunities. He could have

00:56:00.340 won his seat if he just put a little bit of effort into winning his seat. What was it,

00:56:04.600 two elections ago? He actually was within spitting distance of winning his seat. But

00:56:09.600 instead, he spread his resources across Canada and then just didn't win anything at all.

00:56:13.920 So there's no great option federally.

00:56:19.100 So I think, yeah, our focus and priority, as you've been saying,

00:56:21.960 has to be on Alberta independence and just getting us out of this

00:56:25.600 same system of Canada.

00:56:28.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:29.800 Yeah, thanks for that.

00:56:30.960 I mean, yeah, you know, I'm not surprised.

00:56:34.180 Most of the people who call here are going to be on the same page as I am.

00:56:38.180 Now, one of the things I keep reminding myself of and others, right,

00:56:42.980 is um we have to make sure when alberta becomes independent i'm going to use it in a positive

00:56:49.260 term alberta is becoming independent that we are not just going to be a little version of canada

00:56:54.300 so when alberta becomes independent some of these problems that we have have to be addressed right i

00:56:58.860 want i think i i want i want um a republic style country you know we the people i love those first

00:57:07.280 words of the american constitution we the people and i want recall legislation and things like that

00:57:11.940 to prevent this garbage from happening i mean one of the things i'd love to do i i think every every

00:57:17.300 no matter what every writing should have a primary a race because you brought it up right like the

00:57:23.140 the um pierre installed a candidate boy imagine how bad the liberal candidate feels on that on

00:57:30.340 his side right that the liberal runs a race so and and then he loses to somebody installed by

00:57:35.700 the conservatives my god like i you know it's it's hard to imagine a more convoluted system

00:57:40.500 but no appreciate the call thanks for that yeah yeah all right cheers um okay yeah you

00:57:48.100 too have a good day so so we'll we'll talk immigration next week we'll see what danielle

00:57:52.100 smith has to say this afternoon i i think she's gonna i think she's gonna talk about immigration

00:57:56.820 i'm also thinking she might be trying to you know in in uh in political terms she might throw some uh

00:58:03.700 raw red meat at the uh separatists in this province try and please us with something we'll see what

00:58:09.540 she has to say um otherwise uh hope thanks for joining us again uh this week uh hope you guys

00:58:17.060 enjoyed the show i think we're definitely working out the bugs uh i i like the format hope you like

00:58:21.700 the format definitely check out the western standard right it's uh www.westernstandard.ca

00:58:29.300 make sure you get a membership membership is like ten dollars a month or a hundred dollars a year

00:58:33.940 i mean we're you know this these platforms um they they don't exist uh on charity we're not

00:58:41.940 you know this is not the cbc getting 1.6 billion dollars a year by the way did you guys see that

00:58:47.300 on the cbc rosemary barton's uh hot mic moment saying it's all make-believe it's not make-believe

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00:59:10.660 Western Standard. Cheers, folks.

Western Standard - February 19, 2026

MARTY UP NORTH： The Federal Conservatives are losing Alberta

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