On today's show, Cory and Jon talk about the Democratic Debates, the media scrum after the debate, and the debate commission's handling of the questions. Plus, a special guest joins the show to talk about gun control.
00:18:02.340I've been mostly talking about the media aspect,
00:18:04.400which shouldn't really dominate what happened in a debate.
00:18:07.740Maybe I'll turn the page a little back to the debate
00:18:09.780and just get you to kick things off with a summary.
00:18:12.160what did you take away from last night? You know what? I think all of the candidates or at least
00:18:17.860the two front runners both played it pretty safe. If we look at polling today, there's lots of
00:18:22.560individuals that say Pierre performed better, but Carney's still more likable. So I think that
00:18:29.120both camps are probably happy with how they performed. Overall, I don't think that there
00:18:35.940was a clear winner except maybe the moderator because I thought he did a really good job,
00:18:40.080which I'm usually very critical of, and that there is some bias, especially when done by the
00:18:44.860CBC or Rosie Barton is asking questions. But I thought he did a great job. I don't know who he's
00:18:49.960voting for. He kept everyone accountable. I would say that the NDP, I don't know if I'm allowed to
00:18:56.740say shit the bed, but I'm going to. This is my Friday show. This one doesn't go to the cable
00:19:02.360channels. So I mean, you don't have to go to the ones that'll make people's ears bleed. But yeah,
00:19:06.760we can see the odd swear today. Okay. Perfect. So he, yeah, I think that it was, it was really
00:19:13.360disappointing to see. I know that Jake Meek can do better. It almost looked like he was saying
00:19:18.160farewell. I bid you adieu. I don't think I'm going to win my seat. So I'm just going to be rude,
00:19:24.280interrupt people. I'm not going to follow the process. And he, he just, he just looked like
00:19:30.180very amateur hour. Now, my favorite highlight was actually Francois Blanchet, who I think did the
00:19:37.400best job for the Conservatives, and I don't think Pierre needed, this was not his role last night,
00:19:42.500was to really pressure the Liberals, especially with how they're actually going to support
00:19:51.440Quebec. And in this case, hopefully what that translates into is some of those seats that are
00:19:58.840liberal dominated with the bloc behind, that the bloc can pick up some of those seats, which
00:20:03.700is pretty important for the conservatives and the bloc in this case. So overall, it was actually a
00:20:09.620pretty boring debate. There wasn't really any zingers. I think that they all did fair or did1.00
00:20:17.460their job with the exception of the NDP leader. And that, you know, as I think we talked last
00:20:25.000night, there's such a small number of undivided undecideds where it's six to 7% that I don't
00:20:30.940really know how much this is going to sway voters one way or the other. But I do want to give props
00:20:37.380that like Pierre Polyev needed to look like prime minister. And he did that last night.
00:20:41.680Yeah. And I think perhaps people who were leaning conservative made up their mind to stick
00:20:45.800conservative, but from a conservative mind, likewise, the people who might've been mushy
00:20:51.340liberal supporters, they were probably impressed by Carney. I mean, he came across solid. And
00:20:57.440for those of us hoping or expecting or thinking that we might see some movement in the polls or
00:21:03.780something after this, I don't think the debate's going to be the factor that's going to make it
00:21:07.180happen if it does. Yeah. And you know what? I think that the conservative campaign has been
00:21:11.100focusing on, you know, Carney's kind of Jekyll and Hyde. He says one thing, he does it different.
00:21:16.320He's not taking accountability for the liberal record. He is not getting hit by mainstream media on his lack of disclosure of his investments. He's not getting hit for the Brookfield thing. I don't know what it is about liberals and being like Teflon, but it seems to not be phasing him. He didn't let it phase him either.
00:21:37.900All the questions, a lot were directed at him, obviously, from both the Conservatives and the Bloc and sometimes the NDP, although they were kind of spraying and praying who they were going after on whichever issue.
00:21:51.500There's lots of media training feedback I could give Mr. Singh right now, but I don't care how he does, except hopefully he just takes a few vote splits on the left for us.
00:22:01.560yeah I think overall again it was there was they all tried to get immigration talk in there even
00:22:10.040though that was on the French debate I think if you wanted to look at the difference of who can
00:22:14.560best represent all of Canada the French debate I really think showed Carney's lack of French
00:22:22.620and his lack of ability to really truly speak to that demographic which I think he he's taking for
00:22:28.700granted right now. So, I mean, if somebody was going to play kind of the cold strategic look
00:22:33.300at the game and everything, you would almost hope, okay, Paulie have held his ground, but you'd
00:22:37.380almost hope that then that Singh would shine or, you know, Blanchet, because that at least, I mean,
00:22:43.080you don't want to rely on the actions of others for your win, but still strategy's real. If the
00:22:48.640bloc takes a bigger bite out of Quebec, if Singh could hold on some of his lower mainland seats,
00:22:53.400you know the electoral picture could look better for the conservatives if only for a minority
00:22:58.720government but Blanchet was solid but but seeing if anything lost ground I mean if there was a
00:23:04.240loser in last night I think it solidly lands on him. Absolutely and I think ultimately you're
00:23:09.380right like that does impact the the conservative vote this is a two horse race and we needed those
00:23:18.260two to perform to help with close that gap that we're seeing in some of the polls. Blanchette
00:23:24.680knew his assignment and you didn't ever see Polyev go after the block, nor did he really go
00:23:33.080after the NDP because he needed both of them to shine. So as much as you're all against each other,
00:23:37.820there is strategy within these debates and hope for some vote splitting by your opponents to help
00:23:47.400you form a majority government. So there's a lot of strategizing outside of just, I need to perform
00:23:53.380the best I can. Who do you, who do you throw grenades at? And I think Singh just came in1.00
00:24:00.120upside down. Yeah, no, he dropped the grenade at his own feet. And I mean, you know, as some of
00:24:05.980a sports fan, at least when it comes to football, my team, it just seems to love to get to the
00:24:09.860playoffs almost, but then it's going to rely on a weird combination. Okay. If that team loses this
00:24:14.460and this team ties that and everything else, we can still squeak in. But if you played a better
00:24:18.660game before you got to that point, you wouldn't have to rely on the others to win. One of the
00:24:24.320tougher questions, the Conservatives haven't been able to get their feet under them in this campaign
00:24:27.960at all. What went wrong? For the Conservatives? Yes. Why can't they just seem to get a grip?
00:24:35.180They've been preparing for years. Yeah. You know what? I think it goes back to the tactic that
00:24:40.560they've had. They have been campaigning as opposition since Pierre took office. I think
00:24:46.460he's done a fabulous job of that. I think the challenging part isn't really what the
00:24:52.720Conservative campaign has done, because I know there's been some criticisms of having to pivot
00:24:57.340to talk about the tariffs. I mean, both individuals have very similar plans. I think it was knowing
00:25:04.020your opponent. And in this case, unfortunately, Carney has done a decent job of veering away from
00:25:11.680being accountable for the nine year horrific government and the Liberal Party record. And,
00:25:18.300you know, looking back, if I could go back in time, I think that the campaign, the conservative
00:25:24.980should have been going after the Liberal government, not Trudeau, even though he was
00:25:29.100hated, because now we're in a position where people are not the average voter is not looking
00:25:33.820at Carney's Liberals and Trudeau's Liberals is the same. So there's always things you would do
00:25:40.040in hindsight. I think that from the tactics of why they were coming up behind is that
00:25:45.920some of their messaging, I think, isn't maybe resonating with that Ontario-centric voter
00:25:53.700that I don't care about, but the electoral system that we have in Canada does. And I think that's
00:25:59.460where Pierre took maybe some of that for granted going into this writ period.
00:26:05.060So the pencils are hitting the paper now. I mean, they're really down to the crush.
00:26:08.980What can the Conservatives do in this next nine, 10 days to try and take this back?
00:26:15.320Yeah, I think the focus is just talking to those undecideds, talking to mushy middle voters that
00:26:21.780just need to really focus on where the Conservatives will be strong. And that is
00:26:26.760like cost of living, affordability and the economy. So again, I think that at the start of
00:26:33.940this writ period, we were all hyper-focused on tariffs. If we look at the polls, it was a
00:26:39.240significant gap between tariffs and Trump. With the economy, we have seen that close because
00:26:46.120we're seeing the effects of the tariffs. It's not a hypothetical, it's a reality now. And I think
00:26:51.560regardless of who becomes government that tactic against trump and the tariffs will be pretty
00:26:57.220similar for both both leaders so the conservatives need to talk about what the conservatives do best
00:27:01.480which is putting money back in the pockets of canadians um and again differentiating i think
00:27:07.920what will help maybe all of canada maybe not quebec as strongly because of what blanchette
00:27:13.500said last night but is getting our natural resources to market and differentiating that
00:27:19.520C-69 does mean something. And that Carney isn't going to remove that. He has been asked and he
00:27:28.360won't. So what does that really mean? But they just got to focus on the economy and their bread
00:27:32.520and butter, because I don't think people are paying attention to the minor details of how
00:27:38.340they might differently approach the tariffs. Yeah. And in one area I could see that probably
00:27:42.960have really tried to make an issue, and he did a good job on, was justice. I think it's difficult
00:27:48.480to defend somebody who's saying, look, we want to take these multiple murderers, these very
00:27:54.300dangerous people and put them away for life. People have seen too many cases of very dangerous
00:27:58.720people being released or just terribly twisted murderers, but putting families of victims
00:28:06.080through misery as they got to face a parole hearing every couple of years. And when the
00:28:11.680Liberals defend against that, it's a good spot to twist a knife a little, but I don't know if
00:28:15.700it'll be a vote changer. I agree. Like first gun owner myself. And when we're talking about the
00:28:23.940buyback, I thought that was one of the weakest moments of Carney when he really didn't, he
00:28:28.920didn't lean into the liberal buyback strategies that there's some corrections he'd need to make
00:28:33.000them, but he doesn't have any real plan. He can't say that they've have and are going to forever
00:28:39.540invest in our military, that they're going to invest in border security. So I think that was
00:28:47.300from a wedge issue perspective where Pierre really said, like, listen, let's just be tough on crime
00:28:52.920and criminals. We're not here to defend criminals. We're here to defend the victims. And I thought
00:28:58.840that was maybe some of his stronger messaging, but that is not a ballot box question. And I think
00:29:05.300that it's, again, how do you campaign to that Toronto centre that thinks guns are bad things
00:29:11.120and that even though facts say that gun owners are the responsible ones and that murders
00:29:17.940and crimes are happening by illegal guns being smuggled 90% over in Canada, I just don't
00:29:25.740see it being the TSN turning point for voters.
00:29:29.420I think it solidifies the Conservative vote.
00:29:32.420I just don't know if that's where people...
00:29:35.300are going right now with the ballot box question.
00:29:40.100Yeah. Well, if I had to live in Toronto Centre,
00:29:41.780I'd want my firearms more than ever, but I'm going to make it.
00:29:46.120I'm going to have my nine millimeter with me.
00:29:47.880Yeah. I'm going to keep my rural Alberta location for my place of living as
00:29:52.720long as I humanly can. So, so before I let you go again,
00:29:56.540I appreciate you joining me on a good Friday. Where can people find you?
00:30:00.080Let's talk quickly about that, you know, applied politics and public affairs.
00:30:03.140so i mean this is basically training to become a wonk uh well we wouldn't really that's not really
00:30:09.220our slogan um but no i i created this because when i got into politics or i took a political science
00:30:15.780degree appreciated it for what i learned but it never really helped me with how do i apply that
00:30:21.540in the the field of public affairs or when i got into politics there was also no hands-on training
00:30:27.140for you know i learned how to write a 10-page paper how do i write a briefing note how do i
00:30:31.140brief a minister? What are key messages? How do I create talking points? How do I run a local
00:30:36.040campaign? Or when I ran for Senate, I mean, that's its own anomaly of a campaign, but there's no real
00:30:42.400book on how to do that or what are those skills that are maybe also transferable. So this is a
00:30:48.080two-year diploma with three practicums where students can get that hands-on experience to
00:30:53.040see what field or part of the public affairs and politics sector they want to go into, whether they
00:30:58.260want to, you know, live in the trenches of campaigns and elections, or they want to be a
00:31:02.180public affairs expert, either working for not-for-profit public or private entities. We teach you all of
00:31:09.000those skills from how a bill is made, passed, how do you influence it, to stakeholder relations,
00:31:16.640briefing notes, and then, you know, how to ask people for money and political fundraising.
00:31:21.620That is one of the hard parts. No, and I love that, the applied part. I mean, I went to SAIT,
00:31:25.840again, you know, where you can get some direct, get you to work on what you want to do. I mean,
00:31:30.460it's great to take poli-sci and spend a whole course discussing John Locke, but it's not going
00:31:35.060to help you when you're suddenly working for a candidate or an elected official. You need a
00:31:39.500little more hands-on for that sort of thing. So this finds the balance between, yeah, like
00:31:43.980what I say is I have a BAMBS or dinner table conversation. I can talk about philosophers,
00:31:49.660which is great, but how does that actually translate into a skill set? As well as, like I
00:31:54.160said in campaigns and elections, we're not going to waste your time in this two years. It's a lot
00:31:59.920of the application practical side of things and critical thinking. And so we are based in a good
00:32:06.560Alberta college in Edmonton and Calgary, but this is an online program because we know that this is
00:32:11.760a national opportunity that people can learn for many, many sectors that they're in. And like I
00:32:18.060said, it's, um, if people want to learn more, go to macamaycollege.com and check out our program
00:32:24.020Applied Politics. We have another pilot, but we officially launch in September. And like I said,
00:32:29.180it'll be evenings for those that work full time, uh, and also online so that, you know, you don't
00:32:35.580have to leave Brooks or Lacombe or Lacrete or anywhere in this country, uh, to be able to get
00:32:43.020that education. Right on. Well, thanks for laying all that out. And thanks for joining us today. I
00:32:48.580hope we get to see you on election night. We'll have the ongoing panels and stuff going on. And
00:32:52.900I think I'll be taking the QE2 down to hang out with you, gents. It looked like you had fun last
00:32:57.520night all sitting there. So I want to be a part of the party. Well, and you know, from our past
00:33:01.620traditions, it usually seems that Derek dumps the later part of the election on me and all the beer
00:33:05.540and pizza goes on behind me. So it can be a fun time for some people. Okay. So how do I get on
00:33:09.760team Derek for that. You apply once you get here. Okay, perfect. All right. Thanks, Erica. We'll
00:33:16.160talk again soon. Okay, see ya. Great. So again, Erica Baroudis and yes, the Director of Applied
00:33:21.980Politics and Public Affairs at Macamie College. There we got it right. Okay, let's get to a
00:33:26.960couple of the commenters. We got a little bit to chat before the next guest there. Stan Bifford
00:33:32.600saying, talking to lots of Easterners and the reason stuff isn't sticking to the Liberals is
00:33:36.380most of them really don't like Pierre. Most of you don't want to hear this, but Pierre's support
00:33:40.280for the convoy is really working against him with most Canadians. It played well out West,
00:33:44.340but that's not where he needs support. I think there's something to it. We've got a hard time.
00:33:49.800We've got a degree of personal bias. I certainly do. And that's why I find myself mystified. I
00:33:55.380like Pierre. I always kind of have, but it doesn't, that's me. I mean, the reality is he has to appeal
00:34:01.020to more people and he's having a hard time appealing to people out East and you need those
00:34:05.520votes too. So what does he got to do? I don't know. They've got to sort that out. The convoy
00:34:09.880support, you know, it depends. People have tired over it, but there's a lot of negative imagery
00:34:17.160with it. It's unfortunate he's still wearing it. I think a factor that hit though, I mean, again,
00:34:23.900and I've seen some of the commenters talking along that, it's the Trump factor. Nobody bloody saw it
00:34:29.220coming. I mean, we saw Trump coming. He always campaigned on tariffs. That wasn't new to him,
00:34:33.880but just to come on like a freight train, like he did to come on as abrasively as the, you know,
00:34:40.000that America 51 thing. I've talked about that on the shows before. I mean, I'm a guy who wrote a
00:34:44.360book on, on Western sovereignty. I'm not a person who's got this loyalist jingoistic love for the
00:34:50.280federation being united, but at the same time, I don't want an outsider poking around on my affairs
00:34:55.520in here. That's, that ends up making people circle the wagons. And when things ironically,
00:35:01.700even though, you know, during the convoy, people were called extreme for waving the Canadian flag.
00:35:06.160And now the liberals, and they did it very effectively. They pivoted fast. They latched
00:35:12.840onto that. They said, we're team Canada. We're holding it together. We're going to be united.
00:35:18.020And it's, again, it makes us want to rip our hair out. Like, what do you mean? You guys were the
00:35:22.120ones telling us for years that we're genocidal assholes and we should look at our shoes whenever,
00:35:26.160you know, somebody talks to us because we're a terrible nation, but they pulled it off and we
00:35:33.020can get upset about it or we can accept it, but then just try and figure out how the heck to deal
00:35:37.660with it. And that's a tougher question. I guess I'd be working as a political strategist if I
00:35:42.980knew how to change the conservatives direction and things can still happen. I mean, the last
00:35:47.460couple of weeks of a campaign are critical. Charmaine Kirk saying, Pierre is a master at
00:35:53.500debating, oh, you must admit Blanchett scored some zingers. And there's no doubt about it.
00:35:57.940You see that out of so many people, whether it's left or right, whether you like it or not, Blanchett,
00:36:01.900he's a bit arrogant, but he's personable. And I think part of the reason, some of it is, well,
00:36:06.560he's very experienced. He's comfortable up there. He's been in that circumstance a number of times.
00:36:11.960And his mission is so much more simple than the other politicians. And he makes no bones about it.
00:36:17.140I don't even know if it's his personality that people like so much out of him, but the fact that
00:36:20.900he's as transparent as it gets. You don't have to wonder where Blanchet's coming from. He's there
00:36:25.960for Quebec. He's not even insulting the rest of the nation. He's just saying, I don't care about
00:36:30.840the rest of the nation. I care about Quebec. And every policy that comes up, he looks at it from
00:36:35.680the frame of how does it benefit Quebec? That might be maddening to a lot of people, but it's
00:36:40.960honest. And, you know, maybe it's time some other politicians learn from him. But being in that
00:36:47.440comfortable position and knowing his mission, it allowed him to be a little more personable,
00:36:51.420take some jabs, have some laughs during the campaign. It was important for him last night.
00:36:55.640He wanted to make up some ground. He certainly is taking a beating in Quebec more than he expected
00:37:00.760to out of this whole thing. But, you know, he's just in a better position to go into those things.
00:37:10.300Let's see now. What else have we got? Back and forth on whether or not Pauly have supported
00:37:15.660the convoy look you know he was supportive of the people in it he was uh uh he never came out and
00:37:25.660said you should block the streets or any of those things it was a tough balance for him i mean most
00:37:30.220of the people out there were of a conservative leaning and uh you know what do you do it's this
00:37:35.580unfortunate game of gotcha and it works and it's painful and the liberals are masters at playing it
00:37:41.500and we saw that and and there's no doubt there was some staging i mean there were enough odd
00:37:47.980people at the convoy you didn't need to stage it further but if you wanted to make them look extreme
00:37:52.140they planted people there and i just remember aspects of that like one knob where you know
00:37:58.280walking around with a confederate flag and whatnot and he was fully masked of course
00:38:03.080you gotta remember the convoy protesters the real ones they were anti-mask people at that time the
00:38:08.580last thing they were going to want to do they were making a point of walking around crowds without
00:38:12.020masks but this ass clown's walking around with a full mask he couldn't recognize him he couldn't0.92
00:38:15.680see him he walked into the crowd the crowd got upset with him and basically pushed him out of
00:38:20.580there said get out of here you don't represent us take that garbage somewhere else and he left
00:38:25.980but the bottom line was all the optics now showed this confederate flag walking around amongst the
00:38:30.620convoy crowd and the legacy media happily played it up and the liberals happily dumped it on the
00:38:34.540conservatives. And then there was a conservative who was, I don't remember if it was Polly of
00:38:39.320himself or another conservative, but it was doing an interview. I think it was another MP
00:38:42.620and somebody was waving a Canadian flag and it had a bunch of writing on. I think this one might
00:38:47.300have been a convoy supporter, but didn't help with things because he'd drawn a swastika on the flag.
00:38:53.640I'm going to guess here that this person's intent was just saying that, you know, the Canadian
00:38:58.060government cracking down on people over the pandemic or our Nazis and fascists and the rest.
00:39:02.520okay, fine. But again, you don't do any bloody favors. It makes it look like you're a Nazi
00:39:06.440supporter. And that's how it gets painted. The other weird one, of course, was on those back
00:39:10.860steps where a handful of, again, masked people in the distance. Somebody happened to have the
00:39:15.480camera there at the right place at the right time. And they actually had an outright swastika flag.
00:39:19.500They appeared quickly enough for a few pictures to be taken and then vanished. Nobody else saw
00:39:22.640pictures. Nobody saw them come. Nobody saw them go. When you can see the Liberal Party actually
00:39:27.100going to plant buttons in a conservative gathering to try and sabotage things, do you
00:39:31.960put it beyond those kind of people to go out and literally with a flag, I guess you could say a
00:39:36.620false flag, go in and try and sabotage the convoy thing. No, they definitely did. But it makes it
00:39:41.480really difficult for the public who aren't drilling deeper, the public who was lukewarm on that
00:39:45.100protest. They weren't fully against it. Maybe I'm not fully for it, but they worried about extreme
00:39:48.380elements. And Polyev looked like he's supporting those extreme elements. People get uncomfortable.
00:39:54.980I'm not saying it's fair. I'm not saying it's right, but it's real. And that's kind of what
00:40:01.040happens. So he's, it's just so wrong in so many ways with the Trump factor coming in this sudden
00:40:07.360Canadian loyal push and the least loyal party of them all managed to embrace the momentum out of
00:40:14.480this. And as I said last, I think it was last Wednesday on my monologue though, we're seeing
00:40:22.620the conservatives rising up in the polls a little bit and hopefully that continues. I'm hoping in
00:40:27.140this last part of the campaign people actually start looking at the issues and the policies
00:40:31.240because part of the reason they start creeping up I think is that Trump shut the hell up for a
00:40:37.280little while he hasn't been poking at us he's been doing his things but he hasn't stirred things up
00:40:41.820in Canada more than normal as he had been for the first half of the campaign so that took things out
00:40:47.420of the news cycle and let people start looking at the policies because if you look at the policies
00:40:50.920you look at the actions you look at the record of the liberals and they suck you know what people
00:40:55.760suddenly can make up their mind and say, wow, these guys stink. You're right. I want to change
00:41:00.080this. I want to get out of this. But we hadn't had a chance to get a breather and have people
00:41:06.360look at things a little more closely. Part of what we have difficulty with is people,
00:41:13.320the ones watching this show, these are engaged political people. The people who watch political
00:41:19.660shows are ones that want to see things closely. And we're more in tune with the issues. Your
00:41:25.140average Canadian, unfortunately, often only pays attention maybe for a couple of hours towards the
00:41:29.900end of an election period and makes their mind up. We can't understand that mindset. That's not like
00:41:34.360us. But we've got to realize that's the majority of the voters. They don't wrap themselves around
00:41:41.000the issues as hard as we do. People don't until they get a kick in the ass. A lot of them. You
00:41:45.260know, people don't pay attention to justice issues until it's their car window that got smashed.
00:41:49.040People don't pay attention to the addiction issues until it's their cousin or nephew or son
00:41:53.460who got addicted and got into serious trouble.
00:43:12.680You know, the National Citizens Coalition, I mean, that's a well-established, storied group.
00:43:18.800But again, I mean, you know, the original alumnus, you got Stephen Harper came out of there and you've been in an effective group for a long time, you know, speaking to federal issues.
00:43:27.880Maybe just kind of describe what you guys are up to.
00:43:30.280Yeah, I stand on the shoulders of giants.
00:43:32.900I follow behind some really impressive folk, most certainly the right honorable.
00:43:38.140It was founded by my grandfather back in the 1960s.
00:43:41.160and so even as a non-profit third party and no one's in the the non-profit game for the money
00:43:47.000uh i guess i'd be a nepo baby so to speak but um no sort of canada's oldest conservative
00:43:53.560third party advertiser and so you you do all kinds of conservative advocacy between the elections you
00:43:59.400you hold conservatives to account when they're not being conservative example doug ford every single
00:44:04.920day since he was first elected three elections ago but um everything from digital ads uh reaching
00:44:12.120millions of people to radio in battleground ontario right now to to to um being lucky enough
00:44:19.160to to do some work here with the western standard and we gosh you know the the name of the game
00:44:24.120especially with the third parties the real value is turning out the missing middle engaging people
00:44:30.200on both the right and the left in the sense because my message right now the national citizens
00:44:34.440coalition's message it's not explicitly vote for pierre and you know personally um i think that
00:44:42.520the best thing for the country would be to vote for pierre but it's just don't vote liberal like
00:44:46.920if you're an ndp person who's on the fence if you're if you're an actual traditional left-wing
00:44:51.640voter um mark carney should scare you mark carney is like the final boss of like the global banker
00:44:57.960elite and i thought um your value system was was not down with that was not down with with
00:45:04.840tax shelters run through bermuda bike shops was not down with with with shady meetings with with
00:45:11.240beijing power brokers and so the the name of the game is is taking to millions of people as many
00:45:17.080people as possible hitting them in their cars hitting them on their cell phones computers
00:45:20.760smart TVs, just don't vote liberal. Well, as a third party advertiser, I mean, the National
00:45:28.080Citizens Coalition has had a lot of challenges over the years. The rules kind of change. It just
00:45:32.820seems to be every government with who's allowed to advertise where, how much they can spend,
00:45:37.300what they can say. How has it been this time around? Are you very constrained?
00:45:41.820Don't jinx me because it's been, I've got a, I don't know if it's wood, it's like maybe
00:45:46.780particle board for my desk here um but i just knocked on it three times um nothing no no issues
00:45:53.980yet uh normally uh all of a sudden the facebook goes down you get censored there normally you get
00:45:59.580some angry letter even though you've been following the letter of the law it is is very much deliberately
00:46:04.620set up now to make it as difficult as possible for third parties to enter in anyone who wants
00:46:09.900to spend more than 500 bucks and we are certainly spending much more than that um so it is it is
00:46:15.100disincentivized to the utmost degree but this time it's going okay we have a terrific business admin
00:46:21.900named miriam who i want to shout out who's been with the organization for a long time
00:46:26.460um and so she she keeps the trains running on time i just give her problems i give her0.99
00:46:32.380that is my job i go out i make noise i reach a lot of people uh and then i send her the the reports
00:46:38.540and she has to make sense of everything and she's done a terrific job and so we have had no trouble
00:46:44.940yet there's 10 days to go and so i'm knocking on particle board right now and uh let's hope for the
00:46:51.420best but we've been able to run um a really strong uh and efficient third-party campaign here and and
00:46:58.220and i'm looking forward to to the final few days of it well so since i've got you you know another
00:47:03.020thing mystifying us out in the west and everything uh what the hell is doug ford what the hell is0.66
00:47:09.260doug ford okay so i'm in uh the lower mainland of british columbia right now so uh but you're
00:47:16.320watching issues kind of across the country more than i would my what the hell is doug ford was
00:47:21.500so profound cory that i left ontario i was born in toronto i loved toronto it was a great place
00:47:27.940to grow up it was it was as i imagine calgary still is it was it was street hockey games game
00:47:33.560seven of the stanley cup final every day after school you know you could leave your door unlocked
00:47:38.120It was it was absolutely terrific. It was it was like a Thomas Kinkade painting. It was pastoral.
00:47:44.100It has only gotten worse to the utmost degree. He has abdicated on everything from crime and chaos.
00:47:49.740He was terrible during covid. Our businesses were shut down for two and a half years on this
00:47:54.180constant yo-yo. He said he wouldn't go into the mandates. He went all the way into the mandates.
00:47:59.120My fiance and I eventually looked at ourselves a year ago and just said, let's get the hell out
00:48:03.560here and and we haven't looked back and it is such a shame to see a liberal light campaign i put in
00:48:10.760this little walk and talk recently on my on my twitter account for for followers and in the
00:48:16.520hopes of reaching the missing middle um that's it said that sort of doug ford and his government
00:48:23.800and his advisors they remind me of this little nintendo character named kirby i don't know if
00:48:27.960you remember him or if you're familiar playing like kirby's dream world on the original nintendo
00:48:31.960He's this pink, fluffy, cloud-like, adorable Japanese concoction.0.99
00:48:37.100And his power is that he eats his enemy's power themselves.
00:48:40.620So if he eats a little guy with a sword, he gets a sword.
00:48:43.900Doug Ford, to win evidently three majority governments in a row, just became the liberals.
00:48:50.060He devoured the powers in more ways than one, perhaps, of Kathleen Wynne and Dalton McGinty.
00:48:56.300And they've just run this just insufferable liberal light campaign. And there are good people in Queens Park, well-meaning, like just salt of the earth. And they are just constantly being pushed aside for this sort of coalition of cowardice that exists between the premier's office and largely a strategy group by the name of Rubicon, who have run his campaigns before and have been knifing Pierre in the press instead of waiting till after the election.
00:49:25.140Yeah, I mean, often, I mean, this is nothing new, but premiers influencing federal elections,
00:49:32.020candidates usually, you know, federally would rather the premiers just kind of shut up for a
00:49:36.460month. I know Daniel Smith gets mixed reviews. She's been quiet lately on things. I don't think
00:49:44.000probably ever really wants Premier Smith to speak up very much. She's perhaps popular in Alberta,
00:49:48.260but he doesn't want to have to explain to Eastern people what she's up to.
00:49:53.900But something interesting in Ontario, there's always been that pattern.
00:49:57.320They seem to like, and is it a conscious strategic vote?
00:50:01.240They're going to keep a progressive conservative in
00:50:03.160when there's a federal liberal government.
00:50:04.780If there's a federal conservative government, they'll stick the liberals in.
00:50:07.620It's like they enjoy to have a counterbalance going on.
00:50:12.280Is that sort of playing to some strengths on both ends right now?
00:52:56.160Well, and I've heard some speculation.
00:52:58.380it's it's hard to necessarily know the motivation of individuals and everything but we had some of
00:53:03.920that discussion on a panel show i was on a few days ago that possibly one of the things that
00:53:08.520would explain ford's actions are that he's looking to kind of torpedo the conservatives because he's
00:53:14.040got his eye on maybe pursuing a federal job down the road quite possible um i can gee i'd love to
00:53:22.100you something really punchy here um i hear all kinds of things about their motivation and from
00:53:29.220from good sources and ones you know that are backed up from by you know anecdotes from multiple
00:53:35.460people i i don't know that for sure but it would not surprise me this is it can be i mean you meet
00:53:42.180some terrific people um along the way but this can be a nasty business like i i i'm sure in some
00:53:48.980part you're thankful you're on the independent side of things i know i'm often thankful to be
00:53:53.140a third party that you know we get to we get to kind of pick and choose how we interface with
00:53:58.420this we don't we don't always have to work the blue suit cocktail circuit and um stick shivs
00:54:04.340under people's ribs like i i wouldn't feel comfortable doing that and so gee if it comes
00:54:09.220out that that's what they have lined up um i wouldn't be remotely shocked i have heard some
00:54:14.260rumors to to suggest that but i also know based on what they just pulled they've got thousands of
00:54:20.500campaigners from coast to coast who would tell them to you know what themselves and it would be
00:54:26.500a very difficult proposition not just because we all know they're not particularly conservative
00:54:32.580and they've they've let down canada's supposed growth engine which now has the the economic
00:54:38.500productivity of lowly Mississippi. Oh, no, less than Mississippi. But their actions the last few
00:54:44.600weeks, these sort of tacit endorsements of Mark Carney, these little, these little, whenever like
00:54:49.600some big story hits in the Globe and Mail on foreign interference or the conservatives have
00:54:53.360a great day for momentum. For some reason, Corey Tenecki like slinks back onto CTV news to tell
00:55:00.200them that they're not on the quote unquote effing ballot question. They've rubbed so many people
00:55:06.120the wrong way, really good people, like the nicest Albertans, Saskatchewanians, Saskatchewars,
00:55:12.200I don't know how to say that one, behind the scenes, that it would be a very difficult
00:55:17.520proposition for them to pull off any kind of federal run.
00:55:21.380Yeah, well, political intrigue and self-serving ambitious people, I mean, have caused messes
00:55:29.060since the very first beginnings of democracy.
00:55:31.360I mean, anybody reading a lot of Shakespeare can see that's actually the basis of half
00:55:35.340of his plays, it seems, or starts there one way or another. It's just sad when it sees it derail
00:55:40.740good policy or good people. But I mean, going away from that, so over the course of the rest
00:55:45.660of the campaign, what do you as the National Statistics Coalition going to be focusing on?
00:55:49.660What do you want to see becoming the issues in these final days?
00:55:53.140I think I'm excited to see, and I know, I think some people are breathing a sigh of relief that
00:55:58.300we're actually returning to what this election should be about, which is change in the economy
00:56:03.920and housing and immigration and affordability, whereas the Liberals' entire campaign, as
00:56:12.140we all know, has just been fear-mongering about Donald Trump.
00:56:14.660And that is their way of getting away from their record and pulling the wool over the
00:56:18.940eyes of gray-haired socialists who view Carney as enough of a social license to run all this
00:56:26.260damage back and to really harm the West and really harm young Canadians while their real0.96
00:56:32.160estate values, you know, only get better and, and, and, you know, they continue to be disconnected
00:56:36.920from the, the, just the frayed connective tissue of the country. And so I'm very excited to see
00:56:42.160that we actually, especially coming out of the debates, we can actually talk again about, Hey,
00:56:47.420this is, this isn't going well. Like we, we need to make changes here. And so at the coalition,
00:56:53.420it's, I think it's going to be about taking those additional ballot questions to market to people,
00:56:59.360because i know as a pseudo young person uh that if i talk to anybody my age younger you know older
00:57:08.480you know let's say under g under 55 they don't go to trump first they just don't and we see that in
00:57:14.880the polls as much as the the sort of ford neo connie ruthless shakespearean character types
00:57:21.680want you to believe he's not the number one ballot issue he's he's a 1b or he's a two
00:57:28.960but it's affordability. And so let's talk affordability. And only one side is actually
00:57:32.940promising to help you with that. That won't just build these miserable Khrushchevkas as part of1.00
00:57:38.580some housing policy where we all get a little Soviet housing block to ourselves. And so it's
00:57:45.680about sort of finding and cultivating and listening to and emboldening that missing middle,
00:57:50.300those first time voters, those young voters, I think, particularly of young men and women coming
00:57:54.880out of the COVID years who were just treated like absolute crap. Their futures were all but robbed
00:57:59.780from them. They missed graduations. Their entry-level jobs have been taken away by temporary
00:58:06.240foreign workers. And that would only continue under the Carney government. And so I want to
00:58:11.600talk policy. I want to talk hope and change and common sense and all those conservative buzzwords
00:58:16.720because they're needed in a dire fashion. And so, for example, we have a radio spot
00:58:23.880playing in battleground ontario right now which is expanding to the fan 590 which is like the big
00:58:28.320way to to reach the baseball fans and the hockey fans especially with the playoffs and to reach
00:58:32.920commuters in their cars who want to talk about how the leafs are probably going to blow it this
00:58:37.300year as they always do um and it's telling you like hey wow canada sure has changed the last
00:58:43.18010 years you know there was a car jacking down the street my kids can't you know find a home or
00:58:49.340you know or or or work and like we have to make a change here and so let's talk change let's let's
00:58:56.700take these little pockets of the media not being completely distracted by trump until a cbc reporter
00:59:03.420asks him and asks him another question and then he'll you know maybe his his his press gal will
00:59:08.620go right back to to more 51st state nonsense but um let's remember what got us here and then let's
00:59:15.500let's really hear from these people and then let's let's bring them to the polls well that's
00:59:20.840another you know and just kind of finishing i mean that's gonna be the hard part we've seen an
00:59:24.660interesting demographic change i mean justin trudeau wrote into power in 2015 on youth vote
00:59:30.880he got the young supporters out there the conservatives were the blue hairs this time
00:59:35.800around it's the younger people that are as i was kind of saying before you came on i mean politics
00:59:40.420always just kind of comes down to what's in it for me and young people are not seeing a lot in
00:59:44.240for them right now. And that's why suddenly, as the polls are indicating, they're conservative.
00:59:49.520But it's the seniors who are now suddenly all liberal saying, well, I kind of got my little
00:59:53.460kingdom and I want to stick with what I got right now. Fine. But one of the downsides of youth
00:59:59.680support is turnout. They can be difficult to pull out to the polls. So there are going to be efforts
01:00:04.900just to make sure to remind them, you know, get in there, make your mark, don't get distracted,
01:00:08.480it won't take too long uh you know they aren't necessarily an efficient vote no and that's the
01:00:15.040that's the concern and also the game which is impressing a level of urgency i suppose unlike
01:00:22.720we've we've seen before um i don't know if you've been on twitter recently and it's anecdotal but
01:00:29.120today apparently there's huge lines at polling stations that may have something to do with
01:00:33.840Elections Canada ineptitude and there only being like a single place to, you know, little shelter
01:00:39.840to fill out your ballot behind. But, you know, I'm hearing of lines down the block in Midtown
01:00:45.940Liberal Toronto. I just heard from a campaign guy out in BC, there's a line down the block in
01:00:51.520Vancouver. And so, you know, maybe that's filled with all the socialist gray hairs and the folks
01:00:56.100where this has gone okay for and the limousine liberal types who get to parachute, you know,0.98
01:01:01.640away to Palm Springs or Del Boca Vista while the rest of us are forced to live in the ashes to
01:01:09.880borrow from F. Scott Fitzgerald. But I think it's encouraging. I think that there's been so much
01:01:17.140great messaging from the conservatives, even with some of the struggles of recent with the Trump
01:01:22.660situation. The third parties are working their butts off. All the writing and advocacy is there.
01:01:29.080And so I think we're going to see a significant bump in voter turnout. And I think that that bodes well for a change election. And so the all the way to the very end, it's about being hope, showing hope. It's about, you know, being composed and forward looking and upward oriented. And I think if you if we stay positive and on message, it should be a pretty great voter turnout for younger voters and they can really change things.
01:02:06.660It is a privilege and a right that should remain.
01:02:09.980So, you know, before I let you go, where can people find the National Citizens Coalition
01:02:15.040to keep up with what you're doing or support you guys?
01:02:17.620Gee, nationalcitizens.ca, nice and easy, or fireliberals.ca if you want to chip into
01:02:23.540the third party campaign before we're all done and dusted here. And thank you. Thank you so much
01:02:29.160for the opportunity here, Corey. Right on. Oh, it was great to have you on. Hopefully, perhaps
01:02:33.200we'll chat after the election and see whether we're celebrating or mourning and what the next
01:02:38.100steps in the game are. Let's hope it's a positive one. I'll keep the whiskey on ice for you.
01:02:43.220Right. Thanks. Okay. So that was Alexander Brown of the National Citizens Coalition. As we said,
01:02:49.020it's about time we got them on. And yes, let's bring it back to an issues-based election. It's
01:02:54.840so hard. It's hard. Policy can be dull. Policy can be non-engaging, but it's just so, so important.
01:03:02.160So I'm going to get to a couple of the commenters. I see some discussion back and forth in the
01:03:05.620comment scroll, and it's great. You know, the elephant in the room that comes up and doesn't
01:03:10.480between Kenzie and Vamp Fashions on immigration, you know, that's been a big factor, at least
01:03:15.560leading up to things. And it's mixed on how it's impacted things. Immigration, I mean, most people,
01:03:23.700if you look at economics and the rest, it's good. It's good for the country. It benefits people.
01:03:30.060And as well, the immigrant population actually, as I saw some of the commenters,
01:03:35.080are often excellent conservatives. They came here to get away from somewhere terrible. They came here
01:03:40.180to get away from bad governments. They want to start a business. They want to start a home. They
01:03:44.760want to start a future. And they're fantastic conservatives. Unfortunately, we do get xenophobic
01:03:50.360conservatives who push new Canadians away. And careful, guys, this is a good base. And that's
01:03:56.920what allows unprincipled left-leaning people to kind of bring in the immigrant vote. Look, look,0.69
01:04:02.060you got those nasty people over on the right. They're being cruel to them. But there's room
01:04:05.540for a real discussion because controlled immigration, though, is what we need. I mean,
01:04:10.880immigration with a plan, immigration to make sure you have the resources to integrate and house and
01:04:17.860employ and have health care for the new Canadians you've got. And that hasn't happened. We've had1.00
01:04:23.900the floodgates open for a few years and we're seeing the consequences of it. We're seeing the
01:04:28.440consequences of overloaded hospitals. We're seeing, you know, real estate being out of reach,
01:04:33.740difficulties getting into schools. It's just been too much. But just be careful. Don't turn
01:04:40.540the blame on the immigrants. These are just people here trying to come in and make a better
01:04:44.900life for themselves. In fact, they're your allies. Turn the blame on the bad policy. Turn the blame
01:04:50.340on the government that messed up the programs because nobody's winning. I mean, think of the
01:04:57.820people who had a dream and came here and tried to get set up and then find out, yeah, yeah, but
01:05:02.240you better have a lot of savings if you want to get into a house and, oh, you need that medical
01:05:07.020treatment. Well, be prepared to sit around for a few months and hope you don't die while waiting.
01:05:10.540That's not their fault. That's the fault of, again, bringing in more than we're able to manage.
01:05:16.840So it's not being prejudiced. That's the game that gets played, though. If you critique
01:05:22.560the volume of immigration coming in, you know that the liberals are going to label you as a racist.
01:05:28.220They're going to label you as intolerant. And it works. It works sometimes. But the thing is,
01:05:33.220part of what makes it work is we do have some people who get off and who are intolerant. They're
01:05:39.100minority, thankfully, but they're a massively loud one sometimes. And they give the ammunition1.00
01:05:44.600to the left to shoot back at people if they want to try and have a good, critical discussion on it.
01:05:53.080And, you know, it's the debates. It's funny. I saw some of the commentators mentioning
01:05:59.480immigration came up during the debate, the English one anyways, even though it wasn't on the agenda
01:06:03.700for it. They just left that for the provincial government, the provincial, the French language
01:06:09.600debate to come up. But the candidates got into it anyways. And it's worth discussing. I mean,
01:06:15.760you know, you can have a rational one. It's a real factor. It's a real issue. I want to get to
01:06:20.240it. So as Alex is pointing out, and as I said earlier, the advanced polls are open. I get
01:06:26.200annoyed. And it's usually leftist groups too, though, saying it's too hard to vote. We've got
01:06:32.560to make it easier to vote. Voter turnouts are low. It's because it's too hard to vote. Oh,
01:06:36.460piss off. I'm sick of that. You know what? If you can't find your way into vote, you're lazy.
01:06:41.960It's not hard. The very first election I voted in, it shows what a dork I am. I moved to Calgary
01:06:50.440on my own when I was 17. I lived in an apartment. I was out working and the enumerators came around.
01:06:55.640My landlady didn't realize I was underage and she spoke to the enumerators and there was actually a
01:07:00.300voters card slipped under our apartment door when I came home from work. I was tickled pink. Holy
01:07:04.480cow, I could vote. You know, I mean, most 17 year olds are thinking other things, right? I assure
01:07:08.000you, I was thinking of those too, but, but at the same time I wanted to vote. So I went in and I
01:07:11.640cast my ballot for the NDP, uh, the one and only time in my life. That's fine. I was 17. I had a
01:07:18.680lot of growing up to do, but it wasn't hard. And in that vote, that election, that 1988 election,
01:07:25.960Canada had over a 75% voter turn up. There were no advanced polls back then, but you had one day
01:07:36.200you would have a station somewhere. And in the cities, they made it, even if you didn't have
01:07:40.760a vehicle, typically there was going to be a church or a community hall or something,
01:07:48.480a school where they've set up the polling station within walking distance for where you are.
01:07:52.880and even then there were polls that would come into senior centers and there were special ballots
01:07:58.460I started working in the oil field in the early 90s and I would find out okay we got an election
01:08:03.060coming up I've got to go into the returning office and tell them look I'm going to be out in a camp
01:08:07.920in the bush during the election they would give me an envelope often they wouldn't even have the
01:08:12.800final list uh for a ballot yet so you'd actually have to write the name of the person you voted for
01:08:18.260and it would be sealed in an envelope and it would be counted when the election came.
01:08:25.060Where there's a will, there's a way. And now, now you've got three voting days,
01:08:31.060even before the general election day, where you can get out and cast a ballot. Plus you got mail-in
01:08:36.960ballots, plus you got special ballots. As somebody else pointed out, yeah, we got polls coming now
01:08:41.180into prisons. We got polls going into the universities. Guys, there's no excuse not to
01:08:47.340vote. We don't need to walk in and hold it up to your lazy ass on a platter and say, please cast0.89
01:08:53.260your ballot. You know what? If you don't want to take that little bit of time to vote, don't give
01:08:59.960a flying hoot what you think. I don't care. You're too lazy. You're too lazy a voter to have earned0.98
01:09:09.500the right to impact the election that's going to govern my life. So quit whining. Quit saying we
01:09:14.780have to make it easier. Quit saying we got to get online voting. That's ridiculous. Talk about an
01:09:19.280area to build mistrust and, you know, and possibly open things up to abuse. We got a system that
01:09:27.020works. There's where we start getting into the other areas of mistrust and things too.
01:09:33.900You know, electronic counting machines and people talk about, you know, having machines for casting
01:09:40.160ballots and everything else. I thought we should have learned this way back with Bush and the
01:09:44.280states and everything. We got a system that works. Write it on a piece of damn paper and have somebody
01:09:49.500count it with scrutineers being able to be there and see the process from end to end. I don't think
01:09:55.600there's been corruption in the polls in Canada. I'm going to get clear on that. And we see that
01:09:59.080people claiming that all the time and everything. Look, if you've ever actually volunteered in a
01:10:04.460campaign as a scrutineer, really boring job, I got to tell you, but you can sit, you can sit in a
01:10:09.860polling station right from the beginning. I mean, the reason they know how to plug all the holes is
01:10:15.000because people have tried to rig elections one way or another over the last couple hundred years,
01:10:18.400and I'm not saying it never happens, but it doesn't happen to the point where it actually
01:10:21.920impacts the outcome very often, particularly here. We got some good controls, actually,
01:10:26.280if you look at it. I found Elections Alberta, Elections Canada to be very unbiased,
01:10:30.780very helpful with candidates, and very helpful with scrutineers. You can be there in the morning
01:10:34.460before the poll even opens up. They will show you the box, and you can look in it to make sure it's
01:10:39.300empty. So somebody hasn't stuffed ballots in before they did it. Then you can watch the
01:10:42.500ceiling of the box. You can sit there all day and watch people come and go to make sure nothing
01:10:47.960funny has happened. Of course, you can't lean over their shoulder while they were casting a ballot,
01:10:52.160but you can sit in there and then you can be present at the end of it when they seal the
01:10:57.860doors and they rip open those boxes and actually count the ballots. It's all very transparent.
01:11:05.280And if you do it that way, it's very hard to fix. And why do we got to change it? It comes down to
01:11:12.380the, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Ironically, when we get a lot of these counting machines and
01:11:16.900crap going on, I don't think there's a fix coming in, but quite often the bloody votes seem to
01:11:21.700actually take longer to come in than they used to when they were just counted and you had a
01:11:25.080returning officer sending it into a central place where the media would report on it.
01:11:30.260So just leave it alone. Leave it alone. Because if you give the impression of mistrust,
01:11:35.940That's just about as bad as actually something going on.
01:11:38.840That's one of the things where people jump on Premier Smith because she said, no, we're not going to have electronic ballots going on when, you know, there's so much mistrust.
01:11:50.760And people say, oh, she's a conspiracy theorist and thinks that those machines are fixing.1.00
01:11:57.960Van Fashion saying, my dad and I were scrutinaries for years.
01:11:59.920He was able to report results within a few minutes when some polls had taken hours to count to 250.
01:12:03.860yeah station by station it depends on who's managing it it depends on who's been employed
01:12:10.200in it there's a lot of factors but for the most part when you're properly staffed they can count
01:12:15.240a lot of votes fast and accurately I'll tell one quick little story it is getting back it would
01:12:21.260have been 2006 maybe I can't remember which election it was and Harper was running it I was
01:12:26.200working up in Inuvik up in the Arctic and I had a fair amount of free time I was actually processing
01:12:30.620data for the ice thicknesses. And I really only needed a few hours a day to process it at that
01:12:34.980point in the job. I got busier as I went later. So I volunteered for the local conservative
01:12:38.360candidate, the guy named Richard Egericon. He was from Yellowknife. And I just went out to
01:12:42.580put signs out, just do some minor stuff when I had free time. And I volunteered to scrutinier.
01:12:47.920So I sat in the gymnasium in Inuvik while the votes were coming in and the people coming in
01:12:53.060to vote. And it was interesting to watch. I mean, you literally had people dressed in leather,
01:12:58.560like trappers coming out of the hills to cast their ballot and then go back to where they were.
01:13:02.260Again, some people, if you want to vote, you'll find a way to do it. And they had translators
01:13:05.960because there's so many languages up there with the Inuvialuit, you got Cree, you got Dene,
01:13:09.500of course you got English people, everything. It was, it was very interesting. And then
01:13:13.360when I left, another scrutineer came in, another conservative, and I handed it off to him. And
01:13:19.500I sat that night in my hotel room and watched the results coming in. And I just wanted to see,
01:13:27.020We knew that the Conservatives weren't going to win in Inuvik, but I wanted to see if my efforts made even a little bit of difference, you know, because I volunteered up there.
01:13:34.220They didn't have anybody even around to work those northern areas, because I went up to Tuck and I went to Aklavik and some of the areas to do a little bit of campaigning for them.
01:14:19.980I guess about an hour after I left, basically 90% of them got up and quit, went home.
01:14:25.120Welcome to the Arctic. This poor returning officer who was a guy they'd flown out from
01:14:29.260Ottawa to try and run this. What he actually did was swore in the scrutineers, the ones working
01:14:36.440for the parties. Just, can you please, you know, we will pay you. We'll sign you up. We'll swear
01:14:40.540you in. Can you help count votes? So he did that on the spot. You have to do what you got to do.
01:14:45.420And it took them until the wee hours, but they finally got their votes counted and got it out.
01:14:48.660The moral of that story, I guess, is just that, again, if you ever get a chance to go to the Arctic, just remember it's really weird and different up there from anything you've ever encountered before.
01:14:58.040And the other thing is democracy will get through.