Western Standard - Michelle Stirling of Friends of Science on the ＂Just Transition＂

00:00:00.000 Michelle Sterling from the Friends of Science on.

00:00:01.900 Hi, Michelle.

00:00:02.460 It's good to have you back.

00:00:03.540 I think you were one of my last guests

00:00:04.880 when I kind of wrapped up the daily show I had on the go,

00:00:08.220 and I'm glad we've got the chance to get you back on.

00:00:10.280 So welcome back.

00:00:11.720 Thanks so much, and happy new year to everyone.

00:00:13.900 And to you.

00:00:15.400 So yeah, you know, well, as when I reached out,

00:00:18.320 I mean, something that's big in the news,

00:00:19.580 something a lot of discussions going on about

00:00:21.560 is the just transition.

00:00:24.000 You guys addressed that at length back in April,

00:00:26.840 trying to, you know, lay out what it's about and everything,

00:00:29.160 but perhaps if we could start there,

00:00:31.300 because people are now, of course,

00:00:32.440 all arguing about what it may mean or what it's about.

00:00:34.940 I mean, what is the just transition?

00:00:37.660 Well, it's hard to know.

00:00:39.300 Like, it's a bit of a foggy day, if you like,

00:00:42.420 when you look at the just transition,

00:00:44.320 because there's a nine-page report on the government website

00:00:49.160 that talks about the just transition

00:00:51.660 and how they want to be good to workers

00:00:54.360 who are in industries that will be phased out,

00:00:57.340 presumably oil, gas, and coal.

00:01:00.800 But what are they going to transition to?

00:01:03.660 I mean, there's just no transition, if you like.

00:01:07.900 So all the things like wind, solar,

00:01:12.760 any novel form of energy like hydrogen,

00:01:16.480 it all requires oil, gas, and coal

00:01:18.880 to make the devices to power the units

00:01:22.960 that install them, that maintain them,

00:01:25.040 that back them up.

00:01:25.840 So, you know, what are they really talking about

00:01:28.700 in a just transition?

00:01:30.440 Because what are you going to transition to?

00:01:33.520 You're going to transition to electricity?

00:01:36.360 Well, electricity is a secondary form of energy.

00:01:40.080 It's generated by something,

00:01:42.280 usually natural gas, hydro, or coal,

00:01:46.540 or nuclear, or maybe biomass.

00:01:49.560 But, you know, I have some statistics here

00:01:51.440 from Natural Resources Canada,

00:01:53.400 just to kind of put this in perspective for people.

00:01:57.140 Of Canada's primary energy consumption in 2019,

00:02:01.600 crude oil, natural gas, and natural gas liquids

00:02:04.680 accounted for 71% of the total,

00:02:07.720 uranium, 16%, coal, 5%, hydro, 5%,

00:02:12.780 and other renewables like biomass

00:02:15.000 and wind and solar combined, 3%.

00:02:19.460 So we're not going to transition

00:02:21.600 to wind and solar overnight, or at all,

00:02:25.960 because we're going to need oil, gas, and coal

00:02:29.400 to make all those things.

00:02:31.820 And excluding uranium, fossil fuels accounted

00:02:34.240 for 76% of Canada's total primary energy supply

00:02:38.160 in 2019.

00:02:39.380 And biofuels, waste, 4%.

00:02:42.740 And wind and solar, 1%.

00:02:45.860 So they're deluding you.

00:02:49.020 They're deceiving you.

00:02:50.020 They're misleading the public

00:02:51.340 because there's no way that you can actually

00:02:54.200 do this kind of transition.

00:02:55.980 It's impossible.

00:02:57.040 And it's also technically and economically impossible.

00:03:01.020 We've got a report by Ken Gregory,

00:03:03.640 our research director,

00:03:05.080 and he did an analysis of decarbonization

00:03:07.380 in the United States.

00:03:09.100 It would cost trillions of dollars,

00:03:12.020 13 times the GDP of the U.S.

00:03:14.900 to decarbonize the U.S.

00:03:16.820 And we did an assessment of RBC's $2 trillion plan.

00:03:22.720 And it's way, way, way underestimated.

00:03:25.120 So, you know, we have professional engineers

00:03:26.920 who know how things work,

00:03:28.900 rather than ENGOs that are modeling on a computer

00:03:32.400 and going, look, we can make Canada run on hydro

00:03:34.760 from Quebec, ha-ha, you know, you can't.

00:03:37.940 Quebec is already out of hydro

00:03:39.780 with their present EV and electric heating policies

00:03:44.600 in Quebec.

00:03:47.360 Parker Gallant wrote an article

00:03:49.540 about how throughout the coldest days of winter,

00:03:52.600 it's natural gas in Ontario

00:03:55.260 that's propping up Quebec.

00:03:57.920 So, you know, this is some kind of bizarre delusion

00:04:02.700 by the federal government

00:04:03.840 to think that they're going to transition to anything.

00:04:07.780 That's my rant.

00:04:09.220 No problem.

00:04:10.160 That's the ranting is what this show is about.

00:04:12.000 And it's a good one.

00:04:13.020 And part of it, I think,

00:04:14.280 what gets a lot of people nervous, though,

00:04:17.160 is, okay, this government just doesn't seem

00:04:19.120 to be working within common sense.

00:04:21.440 But most of the economic indicators,

00:04:24.140 world demand, indicate that there's going

00:04:26.500 to be very strong demand for our oil and gas

00:04:29.060 for decades to come.

00:04:30.260 We have a labor shortage

00:04:31.480 in the oil and gas sector right now.

00:04:34.160 Why would we even be thinking

00:04:35.320 about transitioning people out of it?

00:04:37.140 We should be training people to get them into it.

00:04:39.060 We should be maximizing our production

00:04:40.720 for this world need.

00:04:42.320 But that's what makes us fear

00:04:43.560 that the government's going to push them out

00:04:44.740 and create the need to transition them.

00:04:47.300 And that's nerve-wracking.

00:04:48.400 Right.

00:04:49.560 Well, I suspect that some of this bad advice

00:04:51.660 has come from McKinsey and company.

00:04:54.080 I think everyone should read this book.

00:04:56.620 And it will explain a lot of things

00:04:58.240 that have happened in Canada

00:04:59.300 because they've been a big advisor

00:05:01.780 to the federal government.

00:05:03.860 And we did a report called Grounded in Reality

00:05:06.500 a couple of years ago

00:05:07.900 that was countering smart prosperity.

00:05:10.900 And at the time, McKinsey had come up

00:05:13.900 with this notion that over the next decade,

00:05:16.280 $60,000 jobs would be created every year in cleantech.

00:05:21.560 Well, that never happened

00:05:23.140 because that market doesn't exist.

00:05:26.500 It's a non-starter.

00:05:29.880 You know, in the Just Transition Plan

00:05:32.620 that I mentioned earlier,

00:05:34.440 the government has $15 billion for investments,

00:05:38.560 $15 billion for public transit,

00:05:40.360 $17.6 billion for green recovery,

00:05:43.380 whatever that is.

00:05:45.160 You know, these are billions of dollars

00:05:46.800 that are just obviously flowing

00:05:48.300 to the pockets of green grifters,

00:05:50.660 green crony capitalists.

00:05:52.440 And you have to realize,

00:05:53.500 as you just said,

00:05:55.380 the global energy demand

00:05:57.540 is only going to grow.

00:05:59.100 Western nations,

00:06:00.300 this is North America and Europe,

00:06:02.360 we're only 15%

00:06:03.800 of the world's population.

00:06:06.360 We have a report by Robert Lyman

00:06:07.860 called When Giants Arise.

00:06:10.280 And when you realize,

00:06:12.120 you know,

00:06:12.360 all these developing nations

00:06:14.100 like China, India, Brazil,

00:06:17.880 Nigeria,

00:06:18.920 and other places in Africa,

00:06:21.140 these countries

00:06:22.420 demand huge amounts of energy.

00:06:25.520 They want the same kind of status

00:06:28.080 and living circumstances that we have.

00:06:31.000 And they don't care about the Paris Accord.

00:06:32.900 They see it as a way of,

00:06:35.520 you know,

00:06:36.040 really, I think our competitor nations

00:06:37.900 see the Paris Accord

00:06:39.160 as the perfect way to launch

00:06:40.700 a green trade war against us

00:06:43.520 by claiming that

00:06:45.220 if we Canadians

00:06:46.440 shut down our oil and gas,

00:06:48.600 we will be saving the planet.

00:06:50.180 In the meantime,

00:06:51.640 they don't care.

00:06:53.100 They'll just do whatever is best

00:06:54.640 for their people.

00:06:55.740 So, you know,

00:06:56.560 it's ironic to think

00:06:57.600 that places that we might call dictatorships

00:06:59.740 actually have governments

00:07:01.380 that care more about their people

00:07:03.100 than our government does.

00:07:05.600 Well, yeah,

00:07:06.340 I mean,

00:07:06.600 it's hypocritical

00:07:07.340 and it's heartless.

00:07:08.220 I'm going to rant about McKinsey

00:07:09.240 a little bit after this segment as well.

00:07:11.180 I have them on deck

00:07:12.060 because it's been coming to light.

00:07:13.400 Just there's some pretty questionable dollars

00:07:15.860 have been going towards

00:07:16.700 that organization

00:07:17.460 from our pocket.

00:07:18.640 And as you said,

00:07:19.380 and then the outcomes you get

00:07:20.460 are that torqued sort of ideological crap

00:07:23.400 that they advise

00:07:24.520 and saying with these green jobs.

00:07:25.680 Another area they talk about

00:07:26.840 is these tech.

00:07:27.980 And they just say tech

00:07:28.740 is some broad overwhelming thing.

00:07:30.460 We'll just get everybody into tech.

00:07:31.900 You'll all learn to code

00:07:32.900 and you'll work making video games

00:07:34.620 or something or for Amazon.

00:07:36.180 But again,

00:07:37.120 when we're looking,

00:07:38.400 all of the tech sector

00:07:39.740 are shedding jobs right now.

00:07:41.460 Twitter laid off thousands.

00:07:42.840 Amazon's laying off thousands.

00:07:44.580 All of the heavyweights out there,

00:07:47.160 Shopify even,

00:07:48.100 are cutting their staff dramatically.

00:07:50.380 Why on earth

00:07:50.940 would we be telling people

00:07:51.860 leave this booming industry

00:07:53.480 that's paying you well,

00:07:54.600 that has lots of world demand

00:07:56.260 and will for decades

00:07:57.600 and jump into this sector

00:07:59.540 that'll pay you half as much

00:08:00.740 if you can find a job

00:08:01.880 because they're laying

00:08:02.560 everybody off right now.

00:08:03.740 It's ludicrous.

00:08:05.360 Right.

00:08:05.640 And I mean,

00:08:06.500 I think people have to put

00:08:07.780 two and two together here

00:08:08.980 on big tech.

00:08:10.840 Like McKinsey

00:08:12.360 and the UNPRI

00:08:14.120 have promoted high tech

00:08:18.320 as clean,

00:08:19.560 as if it doesn't have

00:08:20.660 a carbon footprint at all.

00:08:22.680 And you hear Apple saying,

00:08:24.300 oh, you know,

00:08:24.820 we're 100% renewables.

00:08:26.260 Google is 100% renewable.

00:08:28.340 Well, guess what?

00:08:29.040 These guys have just been

00:08:30.020 buying renewable energy credits

00:08:32.140 to make themselves look

00:08:34.340 as if they're running on renewables.

00:08:36.300 These are huge,

00:08:37.460 huge energy consumers.

00:08:39.200 So just imagine

00:08:40.260 you've been telling

00:08:41.120 the public and investors,

00:08:42.720 you've been playing

00:08:43.540 your ESG game.

00:08:45.040 Now for decades,

00:08:46.760 you've been pretending

00:08:47.740 that you're clean tech

00:08:48.980 and that you have

00:08:49.600 no carbon footprint.

00:08:51.160 And all of a sudden,

00:08:52.320 energy prices in the world

00:08:53.760 skyrocket

00:08:54.720 and your operation

00:08:56.700 is in the dumper

00:08:58.260 because you're not

00:08:59.540 making money anymore.

00:09:00.800 It used to look like,

00:09:02.460 hey, you know,

00:09:03.040 we're providing

00:09:04.600 this virtual

00:09:05.760 material to the world

00:09:09.040 so it has no carbon footprint.

00:09:11.060 Well, in the back,

00:09:12.060 it has a really big one

00:09:13.400 and now you have to pay

00:09:14.620 double, triple, 0.57

00:09:15.980 whatever for it.

00:09:16.820 and the renewable

00:09:18.600 credits market

00:09:19.920 isn't going to do you any good

00:09:21.700 because those are real costs.

00:09:24.040 Anyway,

00:09:25.260 yeah, and again,

00:09:26.120 it's McKinsey

00:09:26.960 that worked with

00:09:28.260 Climate Works Foundation

00:09:29.840 in the States

00:09:30.600 to put together

00:09:31.500 the Design to Win plan

00:09:32.800 and many of those people

00:09:34.320 are the funders

00:09:35.320 of the Tar Sands campaign

00:09:37.180 against Alberta.

00:09:39.400 So their objective

00:09:40.820 was to push clean tech.

00:09:42.280 They want to create,

00:09:43.760 they actually want to create

00:09:45.120 a sea change

00:09:45.980 in the global economy,

00:09:47.500 create two cap

00:09:48.360 and trade systems worldwide

00:09:49.820 and ultimately,

00:09:52.060 the goal is

00:09:52.600 for every person

00:09:53.400 to have a personal

00:09:54.320 carbon ration.

00:09:56.760 And so,

00:09:58.780 you know,

00:09:59.580 how does that all relate

00:10:00.940 back to the just transition?

00:10:02.520 Well,

00:10:03.160 I'm not too sure

00:10:04.120 but if you have

00:10:05.380 a personal carbon ration,

00:10:07.400 then I guess,

00:10:08.340 you know,

00:10:08.880 everyone can get

00:10:09.880 climate money

00:10:10.920 on your universal basic income

00:10:13.820 and,

00:10:14.620 you know,

00:10:15.760 these are all the factors

00:10:16.780 that are playing

00:10:17.620 into this just transition

00:10:19.560 and it might even be

00:10:20.920 nationalizing the energy sector.

00:10:22.840 That's what I think

00:10:23.460 it probably will be.

00:10:24.960 Well,

00:10:25.260 yeah,

00:10:25.560 that's my fear as well.

00:10:26.860 I mean,

00:10:27.040 we're going to,

00:10:27.800 you know,

00:10:28.940 we're dealing with ideology

00:10:30.600 rather than reality,

00:10:31.780 unfortunately,

00:10:32.300 and they seem

00:10:33.040 when their ideology

00:10:34.180 can't come to pass,

00:10:35.300 then they go into

00:10:36.360 trying to force it to happen.

00:10:37.820 Just like they've been telling us

00:10:38.900 for decades

00:10:39.440 that everybody's going

00:10:40.160 to get into electric vehicles.

00:10:41.320 Everybody's going to move

00:10:41.840 on to electric vehicles.

00:10:42.820 Well,

00:10:43.120 here we are

00:10:43.640 after decades

00:10:44.260 and billions of dollars

00:10:45.200 of subsidies

00:10:45.840 and pushing and flogging 0.99

00:10:47.120 and still only 5%

00:10:48.540 of the population

00:10:49.260 at best

00:10:49.720 is getting these

00:10:50.640 electric vehicles.

00:10:51.680 So what are they saying now?

00:10:52.380 Well,

00:10:52.540 we're going to illegalize

00:10:53.520 the combustion engine

00:10:54.420 by 2035

00:10:55.520 so you'd better

00:10:56.560 get into those things.

00:10:57.960 They don't care

00:10:58.760 that we won't have

00:10:59.380 the infrastructure.

00:11:00.060 They don't care

00:11:00.520 that it'll decimate

00:11:01.240 the economy.

00:11:02.580 They just think

00:11:03.260 they've got to force

00:11:04.540 this to happen somehow.

00:11:05.880 Putting a cart

00:11:06.480 before the horse

00:11:07.440 and it's going to cause

00:11:08.220 catastrophic damage

00:11:09.480 to our economy.

00:11:10.720 Yes,

00:11:11.000 it will.

00:11:11.500 And the big problems

00:11:12.720 there,

00:11:13.340 again,

00:11:13.820 with this concept

00:11:14.700 of transitioning

00:11:15.540 is that there's not

00:11:17.100 enough power generation

00:11:18.360 in Canada.

00:11:19.220 We'd need

00:11:19.740 10,000 more megawatts

00:11:21.600 and it takes

00:11:22.580 eight to,

00:11:24.360 no,

00:11:24.660 it takes,

00:11:25.600 so that would be

00:11:26.480 eight sightsee dam equivalents

00:11:28.460 and it takes

00:11:29.480 about 20 to 30 years

00:11:31.100 to build one

00:11:32.120 of those dams

00:11:33.580 and there aren't

00:11:34.480 very many dam locations

00:11:36.340 left in Canada

00:11:37.320 that would be suitable,

00:11:38.620 not to mention

00:11:39.400 all the environmentalists

00:11:40.640 would block it.

00:11:41.320 But the other thing

00:11:42.240 is there's no material

00:11:43.920 supply chain

00:11:44.860 for this.

00:11:45.680 There's a great

00:11:46.460 report

00:11:48.260 by Simon Michaud.

00:11:50.100 He did the work

00:11:50.980 for the

00:11:51.680 Finnish

00:11:52.500 Geological Society,

00:11:54.460 do you think?

00:11:55.520 And there's

00:11:56.920 a good video

00:11:58.160 online

00:11:58.960 with him

00:12:00.200 explaining,

00:12:01.580 but Robert Lyman

00:12:02.840 also did a short

00:12:04.060 summary for us

00:12:05.100 on our website

00:12:05.860 called

00:12:06.240 The Pursuit of the Impossible.

00:12:08.320 And really,

00:12:09.080 it would take

00:12:09.820 decades,

00:12:10.980 sometimes

00:12:11.520 hundreds

00:12:12.440 or thousands

00:12:13.760 of years

00:12:14.840 to mine

00:12:16.240 sufficient minerals,

00:12:18.300 critical minerals,

00:12:19.480 for all these

00:12:20.520 fancy utopian

00:12:21.840 green plants.

00:12:23.560 We're talking

00:12:24.160 hundreds

00:12:24.600 of years,

00:12:26.260 billions,

00:12:27.060 quadrillions

00:12:27.820 of dollars.

00:12:28.800 It's not

00:12:29.760 going to happen.

00:12:30.940 So,

00:12:31.400 you know,

00:12:31.940 we're really

00:12:32.440 being led astray.

00:12:33.940 I don't know

00:12:34.320 if it's

00:12:34.860 malfeasance,

00:12:36.300 misfeasance,

00:12:37.500 or just

00:12:38.240 plain stupidity,

00:12:40.200 but we're

00:12:41.260 going down

00:12:41.820 a path

00:12:42.340 of deep,

00:12:42.900 deep destruction.

00:12:44.800 Well,

00:12:44.880 I wonder,

00:12:45.580 do you think

00:12:46.460 maybe at any point

00:12:47.320 some of the

00:12:48.040 larger developing

00:12:49.000 nations,

00:12:49.500 the ones that

00:12:49.860 really do have

00:12:50.320 that increased

00:12:50.720 demand,

00:12:51.280 are going to

00:12:51.820 start speaking up?

00:12:52.660 Like the

00:12:53.260 vain selfishness

00:12:55.100 of doing

00:12:55.420 this transition

00:12:56.200 when we have

00:12:57.260 developing nations

00:12:58.160 that desperately

00:12:58.860 need affordable,

00:13:00.240 reliable energy,

00:13:00.920 and they're using

00:13:01.460 some very

00:13:02.040 non-environmentally

00:13:03.560 friendly forms

00:13:04.380 of generating

00:13:05.100 energy because

00:13:05.720 they have to.

00:13:07.260 And if we would

00:13:07.880 export our clean

00:13:08.980 energy to them,

00:13:10.020 it would actually

00:13:10.500 be better for the

00:13:11.160 environment overall,

00:13:11.860 and of course,

00:13:12.300 better for their

00:13:12.860 prosperity.

00:13:13.640 They must see

00:13:14.440 that when we have

00:13:15.480 a prime minister

00:13:15.980 who says there's

00:13:16.400 no business case

00:13:17.120 for exporting

00:13:17.580 natural gas,

00:13:18.480 bizarrely,

00:13:19.020 you know,

00:13:19.960 and that's just

00:13:20.340 to Germany,

00:13:20.860 but I mean,

00:13:21.200 I'm certain India,

00:13:22.340 China,

00:13:22.820 a lot of those

00:13:23.720 nations down there

00:13:24.480 that are really

00:13:25.040 growing in leaps

00:13:25.660 and bounds

00:13:26.100 would happily

00:13:26.820 take on some

00:13:27.500 of these clean

00:13:28.460 energies we

00:13:28.940 could provide.

00:13:29.940 Maybe they'll

00:13:30.600 put some pressure

00:13:31.060 on?

00:13:32.820 I don't know

00:13:33.660 because,

00:13:34.280 you know,

00:13:35.800 price I think

00:13:36.460 is really the

00:13:37.040 objective for

00:13:37.780 these countries.

00:13:38.380 Like people say,

00:13:39.220 oh, you know,

00:13:39.660 let's ship our

00:13:40.400 natural gas to

00:13:41.380 China and India

00:13:42.260 and then we'll

00:13:42.780 solve the air

00:13:43.640 pollution problems

00:13:44.520 there.

00:13:45.320 Well,

00:13:45.580 natural gas is

00:13:46.680 a very complicated

00:13:47.740 system.

00:13:49.720 LNG is very

00:13:50.820 complicated

00:13:51.440 compared to

00:13:53.040 coal.

00:13:54.220 You know,

00:13:54.480 coal,

00:13:54.800 you just dig it

00:13:55.380 from the ground,

00:13:56.180 you can dump it

00:13:56.920 on the ground.

00:13:58.060 You know,

00:13:58.420 you don't need

00:13:59.180 a high pressurized

00:14:00.020 system for it.

00:14:01.160 I mean,

00:14:01.400 obviously there are

00:14:02.160 now very good

00:14:03.000 coal plants,

00:14:03.780 heli plants where

00:14:04.700 they're high efficiency,

00:14:06.040 low emissions

00:14:06.620 and all coal plants

00:14:08.900 pretty much use

00:14:09.660 pulverized coal now

00:14:10.820 so it burns

00:14:11.780 very clean.

00:14:13.580 But in those

00:14:14.500 poorer countries,

00:14:15.480 coal is always

00:14:16.180 going to be

00:14:16.540 the first option

00:14:17.320 because it's

00:14:17.760 very affordable,

00:14:18.800 it's abundant,

00:14:19.600 you don't need,

00:14:20.380 you know,

00:14:20.700 very high skilled,

00:14:22.940 highly skilled

00:14:23.820 people to manage

00:14:24.720 most of it.

00:14:26.960 So price point

00:14:28.880 will be a factor.

00:14:30.300 But obviously

00:14:31.100 there are other

00:14:32.320 mid-range countries

00:14:33.680 that would certainly

00:14:34.500 buy from us

00:14:35.340 if we could just

00:14:36.240 get it to market.

00:14:37.160 So again,

00:14:37.940 think of the

00:14:38.600 green trade war

00:14:39.440 people.

00:14:40.120 Think of who

00:14:40.940 out there

00:14:41.800 does not want

00:14:43.040 our product

00:14:43.740 on the market

00:14:44.960 and think of

00:14:46.380 why.

00:14:46.740 And it can also

00:14:47.560 be an east-west

00:14:48.520 division in Canada,

00:14:49.820 I'm sorry to say,

00:14:51.060 but there are

00:14:51.640 interests down east

00:14:52.700 who are invested

00:14:54.100 in other

00:14:55.540 energy sectors

00:14:56.720 overseas.

00:14:57.540 Why would they

00:14:58.180 want the west

00:14:59.280 to compete

00:15:00.120 with them?

00:15:00.500 Absolutely.

00:15:02.360 And then of course

00:15:02.860 OPEC nations,

00:15:03.740 they do like

00:15:04.560 having a strong

00:15:05.340 control over

00:15:05.980 energy prices

00:15:06.740 and the way

00:15:07.160 they do that

00:15:07.720 is by strangling

00:15:09.100 supply and they

00:15:10.000 strangle their

00:15:10.540 own output.

00:15:11.940 But if they can,

00:15:12.940 of course,

00:15:13.440 even better for

00:15:14.180 them,

00:15:14.480 if they can slow

00:15:15.280 the output in

00:15:16.080 other nations,

00:15:17.180 it's all the more

00:15:18.440 profit for them

00:15:19.300 as they keep the

00:15:19.980 oil prices and gas

00:15:21.040 prices artificially

00:15:21.900 high.

00:15:22.400 And you have to

00:15:23.060 look at their

00:15:23.440 interest in that

00:15:24.120 and that gets back

00:15:25.200 to a part of where

00:15:26.260 a lot of these

00:15:26.820 ENGOs get funded.

00:15:28.440 But I don't know

00:15:29.440 if there's ever

00:15:30.460 any interest in

00:15:31.120 pursuing or exposing

00:15:32.140 that.

00:15:32.520 I mean,

00:15:32.640 Alberta talked

00:15:33.200 about it and we

00:15:33.880 did our big report

00:15:34.580 and it just kind

00:15:35.000 of fell by the

00:15:35.400 wayside.

00:15:36.600 Yeah,

00:15:36.860 well,

00:15:37.040 there needs to

00:15:37.520 be more done

00:15:38.500 with the findings

00:15:39.300 of the Alberta

00:15:40.020 inquiry because

00:15:41.680 it's very obvious

00:15:43.060 in Europe and

00:15:43.940 we have a blog

00:15:46.160 post about this

00:15:47.040 from Drew

00:15:48.380 Godafridi who's

00:15:49.480 a Belgian

00:15:50.520 philosopher and

00:15:51.780 jurist and he

00:15:53.500 writes about how

00:15:54.240 Russia funded the

00:15:55.260 environmental groups

00:15:56.240 in Europe to

00:15:57.580 push Germany 0.97

00:15:58.720 especially to

00:16:00.260 buy gas from

00:16:02.120 Russia.

00:16:03.180 And so Germany 0.82

00:16:04.160 has been funding

00:16:05.000 the war against

00:16:06.920 Ukraine.

00:16:08.260 Yeah.

00:16:08.760 Put it very

00:16:09.980 bluntly, that's

00:16:10.760 what's been

00:16:11.100 happening.

00:16:12.540 And because Russia 0.70

00:16:14.120 funded these

00:16:14.780 environmental groups

00:16:15.760 and there's quite a

00:16:16.980 bit of evidence

00:16:17.720 that similar things

00:16:19.480 have happened here

00:16:20.360 in Canada.

00:16:21.960 So I don't have

00:16:24.000 the specific details

00:16:25.020 of that, but there

00:16:25.740 are some reports

00:16:26.440 out there.

00:16:27.240 So again, you

00:16:27.860 know, it's a green

00:16:29.200 trade war against

00:16:30.380 Alberta.

00:16:31.980 And the sooner we

00:16:33.780 take off the

00:16:34.520 blinkers, you know, 0.53

00:16:35.560 and stop talking

00:16:36.340 about climate

00:16:36.920 change, the Paris

00:16:38.420 Agreement is not a

00:16:39.700 legally binding

00:16:40.420 document.

00:16:41.380 Robert Lyman has

00:16:42.180 many articles on

00:16:43.140 this.

00:16:44.220 And, you know, we

00:16:45.980 shouldn't play ball

00:16:46.980 because we're

00:16:48.060 only 1.6% of the

00:16:52.020 world's emissions

00:16:52.820 in Canada, all of

00:16:54.160 Canada.

00:16:54.840 And even the

00:16:55.780 parliamentary

00:16:56.120 budget officer

00:16:57.200 recently issued a

00:16:59.460 report showing

00:17:00.780 that there would be

00:17:01.920 no change in

00:17:02.760 global climate

00:17:03.420 change, even if we

00:17:04.580 met our targets,

00:17:05.680 and even if we

00:17:07.360 did nothing, there

00:17:08.520 would be no

00:17:08.980 damage to our

00:17:10.440 economy.

00:17:11.600 That's always the

00:17:12.600 reason they say,

00:17:13.240 oh, well, down the

00:17:13.900 road, you know,

00:17:14.440 climate change is

00:17:15.080 going to

00:17:15.420 disastrously affect

00:17:16.620 the economy.

00:17:18.060 This is not true.

00:17:19.680 It would be better

00:17:20.620 if we were spending

00:17:21.300 all these billions

00:17:22.020 of dollars on

00:17:23.400 preparing and

00:17:24.140 adapting, you know,

00:17:25.080 upgrading the dike

00:17:26.020 system out in

00:17:26.920 Fraser Valley, you

00:17:29.320 know, preparing

00:17:29.880 Calgary for the

00:17:30.800 next potential flood

00:17:31.900 because there

00:17:32.300 probably will be

00:17:33.160 one.

00:17:35.060 These are all

00:17:35.860 things that we

00:17:36.380 can do with this

00:17:37.120 money that are

00:17:37.780 real, adaptative

00:17:38.940 things that will

00:17:40.060 help people and

00:17:40.840 give people real

00:17:41.720 jobs rather than

00:17:43.280 all this make-believe

00:17:44.920 unicorn utopia.

00:17:47.960 Yeah, well, in

00:17:48.960 the just transition,

00:17:49.820 whatever it might

00:17:50.340 turn out to be, I

00:17:51.520 mean, Trudeau has

00:17:52.220 stated that that's

00:17:52.880 going to be the

00:17:53.200 priority of 2023

00:17:54.140 starting off the

00:17:55.140 year, and he's

00:17:56.000 certainly taking

00:17:56.540 quite an aggressive

00:17:57.080 stance with Alberta

00:17:58.160 already, so I got a

00:17:59.380 feeling we're going

00:17:59.680 to be hearing a

00:18:00.200 heck of a lot more

00:18:00.880 about it as to

00:18:01.560 whatever it might

00:18:02.080 develop into.

00:18:03.300 So I appreciate

00:18:04.000 your speaking up

00:18:05.120 and helping to

00:18:05.600 define that and

00:18:06.420 keeping with it.

00:18:07.500 Before I let you

00:18:08.140 go, so where can

00:18:08.940 people find more

00:18:09.440 information about

00:18:10.200 Friends of Science

00:18:11.060 and the work you

00:18:11.620 guys do?

00:18:11.960 Well, we're on

00:18:13.980 YouTube.

00:18:14.720 We have a very

00:18:15.620 funny little video

00:18:16.820 about climate

00:18:17.560 injustice for all,

00:18:18.840 which is our

00:18:19.260 report that we did

00:18:20.620 about the just

00:18:21.140 transition, and it

00:18:22.520 features me sitting

00:18:23.520 in the middle of a

00:18:24.180 field in a chair, and

00:18:25.200 that's how the just

00:18:28.120 transition looks like.

00:18:29.280 It'll go, a chair in

00:18:30.760 the middle of a field

00:18:31.540 pretending to be a

00:18:32.360 house.

00:18:32.640 We're also at

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00:18:51.160 people if they would

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00:18:55.480 take out a membership.

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00:18:58.660 And we're going to

00:19:00.300 have a live event this

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00:19:01.760 So that's in the

00:19:03.520 works.

00:19:04.040 It's probably going to

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00:19:09.740 two speakers.

00:19:11.180 Great.

00:19:11.680 Well, we'll be

00:19:12.080 watching for that.

00:19:12.960 Thanks again for

00:19:13.860 coming on to join us

00:19:15.240 today, Michelle.

00:19:15.780 It's always good to

00:19:16.420 have a talk with you

00:19:17.040 and just get a nice

00:19:17.640 dose of some good

00:19:18.480 common sense.

00:19:19.300 And I really

00:19:19.620 appreciate the work

00:19:20.500 that you guys do

00:19:21.900 out there.

00:19:22.580 So keep at it, and

00:19:24.380 I'm certain we'll

00:19:25.180 talk again sometime

00:19:25.920 soon.

00:19:26.780 Okay.

00:19:27.080 Thanks, Corey.

00:19:27.700 Have a great

00:19:28.120 trip.

00:19:28.700 Great.

00:19:28.880 Thank you.

00:19:29.780 The current

00:19:30.460 Lethbridge Feed Green

00:19:31.220 prices are as

00:19:31.860 follows.

00:19:32.820 Cash Barley's at

00:19:33.500 $4.37, feed Wheat's

00:19:35.280 at $4.42, and Corn's

00:19:37.200 Holy at $4.40 per

00:19:38.380 metric ton.

00:19:39.320 In the Milling Wheat

00:19:40.200 markets, March

00:19:41.220 Minneapolis futures

00:19:41.980 gained $10.25 at $9.09,

00:19:45.020 with local hard red

00:19:45.940 spring bids for

00:19:46.620 February movement at

00:19:47.760 $11.55 per bushel.

00:19:49.660 In the oil seeds,

00:19:51.020 nearby canola futures

00:19:51.980 increased $8 at $9.39.80

00:19:54.700 per ton, with delivered

00:19:56.160 values for February

00:19:56.940 movement at $18.82 per

00:19:58.780 bushel.

00:19:59.060 In the pulse markets,

00:20:01.340 nearby red lentils remain

00:20:02.520 at $0.33 a pound, and

00:20:04.260 yellow peas are trading at

00:20:05.780 $13.50 per bushel.

00:20:07.560 In the cattle markets,

00:20:09.260 February live cattle are

00:20:10.380 down $0.52 at $1.57.22

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Western Standard - January 13, 2023

Michelle Stirling of Friends of Science on the ＂Just Transition＂

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