Western Standard - Mountain Standard Time - June 1, 2021

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00:01:00.000 hello and good morning welcome to mountain standard time i'm your host nathan gita

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00:01:53.760 show well uh we've got some shocking revelations obviously outside out of Kamloops uh today so

00:02:01.100 that's Kamloops British Columbia that's another kind of regional center uh if Prince George is

00:02:06.160 the northern capital of British Columbia and while Kelowna is the big city in the southern interior

00:02:11.600 Kamloops because it's on the number one highway is essentially kind of the traverse spot between

00:02:17.640 Vancouver and Calgary uh everything that's traffic on the number one goes through there

00:02:22.860 And it's a pretty major center as well.

00:02:24.300 In fact, a lot of regional headquarters, because it's cheaper than building them in Vancouver and housing them there, where things are quite expensive, are actually in Kamloops.

00:02:33.360 So shocking revelations about the Kamloops Residential School appeared in the media this week.

00:02:37.900 The remains of over 200 Aboriginal children were found to have been buried there.

00:02:42.180 From the reporting that has been given so far, one could be led to believe that all the children were killed with an intent at once by the brothers, sisters, and padres running the school.

00:02:54.660 Of course, that's not what happened, but that's the kind of thing that is sort of being hinted at in the reporting, and our shock from the tragedy is overriding our ability to critically think about that.

00:03:06.100 Being a status First Nation, though I prefer the label Indian myself, I'm a status Indian, that's what it says on my card.

00:03:12.180 especially with my views, is not an easy vocation.

00:03:15.540 I don't regret the white man coming to our shores.

00:03:18.120 I have taken up his religion.

00:03:19.860 I'm thankful for a theology that has a last judgment,

00:03:22.520 not just a spirit world without a hell or a heaven, to be honest with you.

00:03:26.040 Horses, wheels, firearms, let alone modern living,

00:03:29.000 have made life easier for me and my people.

00:03:31.560 My band's name is literally Carry the Kettle,

00:03:34.220 because that's how valued those objects were in the 1870s

00:03:39.580 without a railroad or a road, for that matter, in the middle of nowhere, Saskatchewan. But contact

00:03:45.880 between so vastly different peoples at different stages of technological development was bound to

00:03:50.240 create tensions and power imbalances. Ironically, the residential school system was developed to

00:03:55.260 help solve some of these issues. And there are many instances of success, as have been attested

00:04:01.020 to by some of the most prominent chiefs and leaders in the Canadian Aboriginal world and

00:04:04.540 the movements. There are some people, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that some of the people

00:04:08.860 who are prominent didn't get their motivation from resentment towards the residential school

00:04:13.500 system and for good reason in some cases but also if you go and cross-examine especially some of the

00:04:19.140 senior leadership they will have to admit that the fact of the matter is that strict as it might have

00:04:23.960 been depending on where they were residential school was indeed actually their starting place

00:04:28.880 for where they went on later in life and how they were successful but there is also the fact that

00:04:35.400 there was neglect there was inadequate funding in food and outright abuse by certain individuals

00:04:41.420 with intent and those individuals whenever they are found are worthy of severe punishment

00:04:48.020 and indeed i you know we don't live in a a world with capital punishment anymore in canada

00:04:55.160 but i would definitely if it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt the jury appears and ample

00:05:01.360 evidence and we had capital punishment, I wouldn't think twice about using it against people who had

00:05:06.260 done such things to children. No question from me there. And when we discover new tragedies or

00:05:12.620 cover-ups, full investigations ought to ensue. I have no questions there either. Yet we must recall

00:05:18.400 that whatever our complicated past, it is the present circumstances of First Nations on reserve

00:05:23.340 and off that ought to be given primary attention. The cycle of poverty won't end after another

00:05:28.160 inquiring scars of residential school won't heal from more settlements or public grief that doesn't

00:05:33.100 mean people aren't entitled to their settlements but that also won't fix the problem our only path

00:05:38.880 to a better canada is through the truest form of reconciliation a stake in the political economic

00:05:43.100 and social makeup of our country that can only happen with open communication and good business

00:05:48.540 hopefully we learn that before the next tragedy is uncovered we keep getting these shocks to our

00:05:53.480 system uh we keep not being able to kind of face the reality of what's happening and the reality

00:05:59.880 is bad things did happen not all the time and not to everyone but bad things did happen and

00:06:09.400 we need to do something about that there's no question we do but that isn't to create a grief

00:06:17.080 or grievance industry out of it,

00:06:20.320 which is kind of what has happened in Canada.

00:06:23.440 It is not to say there isn't a place for mourning.

00:06:25.820 It isn't to say there isn't a place for inquiries

00:06:27.980 and for that grief to go on,

00:06:32.040 for us to have proper catharsis.

00:06:34.180 A terrible thing happened.

00:06:36.500 We need to be honest about that.

00:06:38.120 We also need to be honest, though,

00:06:39.700 that when it comes to this particular instance,

00:06:42.320 as far as we can tell, again,

00:06:43.680 the reporting is making it sound as if,

00:06:46.320 You know, this was Auschwitz. Children were all taken there at once and they all died at once via execution. That is not what happened. And we need to be very careful about that. That's a very dangerous line of thinking to take up. That's not what happened.

00:07:00.860 What happened was, over the course of several years, at a residential school where, yes, children may have been there after having been ripped away from their parents, I fully acknowledge that that could have happened, and some of those children were there at the willing consent of their parents, and maybe not as willing either.

00:07:17.620 but nonetheless far away from home under the care of others sicknesses happened pandemics occurred

00:07:26.560 we're in a pandemic right now what would we say about let's say a foreign exchange student is here

00:07:32.340 in canada right now it's a different thing but it's not a different thing back then traveling

00:07:36.240 was very hard today traveling is very easy except in the middle of a pandemic the foreign exchange

00:07:40.960 student in the charge of someone else especially if they're a minor right so they're they're

00:07:44.920 literally on one of those immersion exchanges which i've seen several uh far eastern uh far

00:07:50.320 eastern people groups send their children to live in canada with a canadian family like to live there

00:07:55.840 uh fully basically fully immersed into that family it's all but a not a foster family but

00:08:00.700 they're fully immersed right they live with that family and they attend school um in order to get

00:08:06.240 perfect english and everything else um imagine if one of those children died of covid or something

00:08:12.240 else while in the charge of another family that would be a terrible tragedy an absolutely terrible

00:08:18.400 tragedy and due to the fact that infant mortality and child mortality has gone astronomically down

00:08:23.760 since about 1850 onwards right since we started washing our hands that that would look like a

00:08:29.860 terrible tragedy and it indeed it would be but nonetheless if this was happening not even at a

00:08:35.840 frequent rate but the analogy i'm trying to draw here at least the equivalency i'm trying to draw

00:08:40.440 is that this is not much different from that to a point

00:08:44.600 because as tragic as it seems,

00:08:46.640 again, in a time where people died more often,

00:08:50.420 especially when they were younger,

00:08:52.480 the fact of the matter remains

00:08:54.140 that this would have been a somewhat common occurrence

00:08:57.920 at that time.

00:08:58.820 That doesn't make it right.

00:09:00.000 It doesn't make it okay.

00:09:01.520 We must be honest with ourselves

00:09:02.960 that we're not talking about, you know,

00:09:05.400 having all of your inoculations or whatever

00:09:07.100 and then still passing away

00:09:08.660 or passing away after the airbag and the seat belt were invented.

00:09:11.920 We're talking about people who would have died

00:09:16.000 and had their mortality lived out and young children, unfortunately.

00:09:21.220 Yes, perhaps in the care of others and perhaps through neglect,

00:09:24.020 we need to look into that more.

00:09:25.600 But also with measles, mumps, tuberculosis and other diseases

00:09:30.020 still running rampant in a time where we did not have penicillin

00:09:34.180 and the rest of it.

00:09:35.320 So we need to be honest about that and that, again,

00:09:38.100 the children are not from a single instance of

00:09:41.680 death and destruction or malcontents. We need to be very

00:09:46.200 very, very, very, very careful about

00:09:50.200 that idea.

00:09:52.960 It still strikes me as deeply tragic, obviously.

00:09:57.800 I am a status First Nation guy,

00:10:00.080 and I don't want my people to suffer.

00:10:04.100 You know, I don't want, I do feel solidarity with Aboriginals throughout Canada in this sense. And nobody wants, nobody wants that. Nobody wants to wake up one morning and find out that, that people that you are a part of in, in one way or another, tangentially perhaps, have, have suffered another tragedy. Nobody wants that.

00:10:27.340 and so I will admit I'm a little emotional about that

00:10:30.840 that is hard

00:10:31.780 but I also don't want to falsely report what happened

00:10:36.020 and I don't want the kind of hints

00:10:38.460 in the reporting or the bias in the reporting

00:10:40.340 to go unchallenged

00:10:42.960 do I believe that people personally

00:10:45.760 with full intent and consent of the will

00:10:47.500 murdered 200 and I believe 17 children

00:10:50.140 was the final count or 15 children

00:10:52.080 certainly over 200

00:10:54.140 children in their care

00:10:57.160 in Kamloops. Do I believe that's what happened?

00:10:58.940 No, I don't. I don't.

00:11:01.060 And if I could give you a piece

00:11:03.040 of advice, neither should you.

00:11:05.020 That's not what happened.

00:11:06.940 What happened is both

00:11:08.620 from neglect, 1.00

00:11:10.880 stupidity, concupiscence, 0.99

00:11:13.120 as well as the tragedies of 1.00

00:11:15.020 life and the time they were living in.

00:11:16.820 And over the course of years,

00:11:18.920 unfortunately,

00:11:20.620 many children died. And that is

00:11:22.720 sad it's sickening it's it's it's hard to swallow it's hard to hear but i mean i don't want to draw

00:11:29.840 equivalencies here because i mean i'll get pilloried for it but i mean do we say the same

00:11:34.940 thing when it comes to abortion and that's an ongoing issue certainly that many children perhaps

00:11:40.320 more are aborted every year in british columbia we don't have the perfect numbers on that and do

00:11:45.640 we say the same thing when we deal with other questions we're going to have chris elston on

00:11:50.860 today, and we're going to be talking about transgenderism. A lot of transgenderism in

00:11:55.320 British Columbia when it comes to inalterable surgery, when it comes to puberty blockers and

00:12:00.500 that sort of thing, it's happening to children in care. So if you think residential school is bad,

00:12:05.560 imagine being a foster kid who has all sorts of complicated background issues and you're worried

00:12:11.740 and because of the kind of woke culture that's around you and the sort of things that are being

00:12:16.400 said by counselors at your high school and god knows where else you're being told that hey maybe

00:12:22.120 this is maybe you're just born in the wrong body or whatever your identity needs to be lived out

00:12:26.860 in a different way well if you're a aboriginal person a child an aboriginal girl or boy and

00:12:37.960 you're in care and you have these questions about your identity you could end up having your

00:12:45.880 what there's no other way of saying it your sex organs permanently changed permanently disfigured

00:12:52.800 literally cut off and changed and surgically altered uh for the rest of your life and have

00:12:58.340 your biology completely altered permanently by taking drugs uh that that do things uh to your

00:13:05.000 system you know bone density is affected by puberty blockers etc we all know this and for

00:13:10.000 that matter most people choose to detransition later and there's still a high rate of suicide

00:13:14.440 so obviously obviously transitioning doesn't doesn't necessarily work especially for young

00:13:21.000 people especially for people who are in a very confused time in their life so i simply i simply

00:13:25.280 submit to you not that we shouldn't be scandalized or upset at this current issue this current thing

00:13:33.820 that's come up through Kamloops.

00:13:35.280 And we'll be revisiting this issue

00:13:36.720 over and over again throughout this week

00:13:38.280 because we'll have different people

00:13:39.400 weigh into it.

00:13:41.520 But I, for one, think that we need to be careful

00:13:44.900 because you can't be selective with your outrage.

00:13:48.400 And I'm not saying you should be outraged all the time,

00:13:51.200 but we have what you could really call a genocide,

00:13:56.880 certainly an ethnically biased way

00:14:01.100 of things going in British Columbia,

00:14:02.480 where again most of the children in care are to use the politically correct term indigenous

00:14:08.500 they're indians like me that they come from complicated backgrounds some of which are

00:14:13.360 scars from the residential school system no question and and due to their parents and their

00:14:18.380 grandparents and everything else and further to that they are held in care and then they're

00:14:25.020 surrounded by people who of course because of the status system that we're in have a particular

00:14:29.800 their political bent to them for one for every one conservative at the cra i happen to know the one

00:14:35.420 uh there are 99 you know people who are left of center and think the state is always a good thing

00:14:42.220 and that's the way it is whenever whatever status system you're in health care education we have big

00:14:47.600 state systems and so for every one person who thinks maybe the the office could pinch a few

00:14:52.640 more pennies and like maybe not be so extravagant or maybe we need to think through these problems

00:14:56.480 and not just go with woke hr theory around things and terminology uh everybody else is just

00:15:02.560 swallowing the kool-aid you know or they're doing it just to keep their jobs which is almost worse

00:15:06.780 because we're because then we're lying to ourselves right so we're lying to keep our jobs

00:15:10.080 and pay our mortgages right none of us should be lying and that's been the big thing with the

00:15:13.460 pandemic we need to we need to stop the lies because the lies are the virus right that's

00:15:19.440 pretty clear so but the point that i'm trying to draw here is that you've got these children in

00:15:24.720 care a big state systems full of people who inherently trust whatever is being handed out

00:15:31.540 in the literature of the last staff meeting and obviously between academia and what's happening

00:15:38.120 throughout the big state and our government agencies woke ideas around gender and sexuality

00:15:46.100 and race are pervasive and so somebody out there is essentially telling children because it is and

00:15:53.520 this is happening. There's lots of children being transitioned in BC. And we're going to talk about

00:15:57.860 this with Chris a little later. They are committing an act of certainly ethnically biased, right?

00:16:04.580 Because there's a particular group of people that are overrepresented in foster care in British

00:16:08.860 Columbia. That's aboriginals. They're telling them that, you know, you were born in the wrong body

00:16:15.080 and we should change that. And transitioning in BC happens very quickly, extremely quickly.

00:16:22.760 and we need to be very careful about that uh it's it's a scary thing you know um it's i think that

00:16:31.700 i think that again you know i i personally of course have no truck with with the idea of uh

00:16:38.420 i have no truck with the idea of of having of being born in the wrong body and that sort of

00:16:44.660 thing i think that uh god gave us the bodies we have for a reason and i believe that while there

00:16:50.440 can be plenty of dysphoria like i i if i were if i were going to look at you and say oh i know

00:16:54.740 exactly what it means to be a true man and to be a good a good white knight you know or to be a good

00:16:59.920 to be the proper perfect man i don't i don't you know i i think i think like any man who actually

00:17:07.720 bothers to think about these things certainly certainly in the christian world i come from

00:17:12.400 questions around what does it really mean to be a man and like how to be i guess you could say

00:17:17.740 godly and that sort of thing. But the point is to be a virtuous man. What does it mean to be

00:17:21.760 virtuous? What does it mean to be a man? And I'm assuming that on the female side, a lot of this

00:17:26.480 is a part of that as well. Though I do believe female biology by its inherent nature, the way 1.00

00:17:32.760 that womanhood comes upon a young woman, that happens differently for men. And so I do believe

00:17:42.240 there's an asymmetry between the sexes here. We can get into that another time. But the point is

00:17:46.340 that I'm not going to tell you that there's no such thing as being confused or wrestling with

00:17:51.080 the question of, well, I have these biological parts, but I also don't know what it means

00:17:56.240 properly to be holistically a man psychologically in my soul and my spirit, who I am as a man

00:18:02.460 or a woman, and then into the wider world, what does it mean to be a man out in the world,

00:18:09.500 to be a woman out in the world, what those tensions between those things, the biological

00:18:13.560 reality, the internal reality, and the external reality. That's not the argument. The argument is

00:18:18.920 that the solution to that, my proposition would be the solution that is not surgery and puberty

00:18:26.040 blockers. I would say that deep internal reflection, and then, you know, back and forth

00:18:32.560 with your peers, particularly any experts in this field, which I would prefer, of course,

00:18:37.140 due to my religion, a philosophical and religious sort of perspective on that. But

00:18:42.320 back and forth on that question with the understanding being underlying your biological

00:18:47.880 gender, your sexual reality that you can see pretty clearly at birth, right? That's what we

00:18:57.460 want people to be. We want them to holistically identify with how they were born. And we need to

00:19:04.020 do that not by radical surgery, obviously, and changing them, but rather by helping them find

00:19:09.400 that identity and that grounding inside of what it is to be a man or a woman. And it's a difficult

00:19:15.220 task. It's not easy. It's been talked about for a long time. So I think that we need to be clear

00:19:23.140 about this, that especially in British Columbia, there's a serious issue going on here. And I

00:19:28.320 think there's a perfect segue here between what's going on in Kamloops and what's going on when it

00:19:32.360 comes to questions around uh transgenderism and and all the rest of it and the kind of the woke

00:19:38.840 ideology that's going on and i mean i mean actually there's there's a point here too because

00:19:43.420 because let's let's do this two ways i've been using the term theocracy for a long time now on

00:19:48.620 this show i mean we're on episode uh 25 or so so we've been at this just over eight weeks um

00:19:55.680 and i think that i think that what we need to understand is a lot of people say well the reason

00:20:01.960 the residential schools were so bad is because they were religious and that sort of thing it's

00:20:05.500 like well then in i mean i'm saying it now but in another 20 years too when we realized that a lot 1.00

00:20:11.500 of the things that were going wrong inside of a lot of the things that were going wrong inside of

00:20:17.060 public schools today are happening also because they are religious institutions i'm going to

00:20:23.260 throw that right back at you you you make a profession of faith today in a public school

00:20:28.240 every time you say nobody is different it's like actually no everybody's different everybody is

00:20:35.580 one a unique soul made by god and a beautiful creature that he hand molded in the womb but

00:20:40.180 further to that on a purely material level no two people even identical twins are exactly alike

00:20:46.000 no two people are exactly alike not at all not in a single part of their anatomy are they exactly

00:20:52.480 the same uh and not in their psychology either and not in their mannerisms and not in their

00:20:57.260 characteristics people are individuals and they aren't all the same and there's a diversity in

00:21:03.620 that individuality it is not a conformity of diversity and color and race and sexual orientation

00:21:10.260 are just some of the categories where people can be different it is not it is not the only way is

00:21:19.300 to identify yourself and and i think that we need to understand right diversity is our strength

00:21:25.540 and and even anti-bullying the idea that there might be tensions between different people

00:21:32.040 it's not that i want people to bully but the idea that there isn't going to be well quite frankly

00:21:37.120 there will always be a hierarchy but apparently now the people on top aren't the people who can

00:21:41.940 take your lunch money the people on top are the people who can browbeat you the best i don't know

00:21:46.520 if that's a better world i don't know if that's a better world the browbeaters i find to be quite

00:21:53.600 neurotic self-important and sanctimonious i don't know if i i think i might prefer just the old

00:21:59.600 schoolyard bully because the school marms are far worse far worse we just lived through it in

00:22:05.600 covet it's not worth it and i think that kind of there's there's something to be said about this

00:22:11.960 when it comes to this question it's like well the residential schools were badly run because

00:22:15.580 the people of religious conviction they were just going to answer to god they weren't going to answer 1.00

00:22:18.760 anyone else do you think the wokies who are running our public schools right now are do they 1.00

00:22:24.000 answer to anybody they care do they answer to god they don't answer to god they don't even believe 0.99

00:22:29.700 in a final judgment they they answer to a higher power of ideology and every child must be

00:22:37.180 indoctrinated every child even the good even the well-behaved let alone the badly behaved child

00:22:41.900 or whatever they wanted they want to curb into their own little personal project but you know

00:22:47.220 even the most amical kind people who they know kind of vote conservative and or whatever right

00:22:52.580 wing and have guns at home and go to church on a Sunday when they were still allowed to go to

00:22:56.500 church I guess we're allowed back at church now in British Columbia but even the most kind of

00:23:00.160 middle of the road 90s religious family you know because I was born in the 90s like I remember

00:23:06.940 that kind of weird point in history where not everything was completely ideological at least

00:23:12.100 it wasn't all at the surface and like people who were religious and people who who were who went

00:23:19.540 to church on a sunday one they weren't as uncommon and two they they didn't feel completely out of

00:23:25.540 sync with their culture they had a lot of questions about it and they were they were very upset about

00:23:30.040 abortion about kind of where same-sex unions were going of course that happened into the

00:23:35.180 same-sex marriage they were worried about some of those things they were worried about about

00:23:42.020 you know children being kind of given a more therapeutic view at school instead of

00:23:46.800 just being pushed through math and and you know writing and grammar and rhetoric and logic the

00:23:51.560 old liberal arts or the new the new categories for those things language arts and and and the

00:23:57.020 ability to do basic math and science and figure things out for yourself and play on the school

00:24:00.920 ground and just kind of sort out your own life we had questions about all that but we were kind of

00:24:06.520 in the middle of the road and people felt for the most part they felt pretty safe inside of their

00:24:11.100 enclaves and uh i think that the i think that the issue is that like i said i'm already saying it

00:24:22.620 today you know well the reason that the public schools aren't doing so well is that they answer

00:24:27.780 to a higher power and that higher power is ideology and that ideology is incredibly inhuman

00:24:32.500 and it makes slaves of us all terrible violent slaves uh to ourselves and to others uh and so

00:24:39.780 you go ahead and say whatever you want about the residential school system i'm i'm not here to

00:24:43.380 fight about the residential school system i'm here to proclaim that the public school system that we

00:24:48.340 have today throughout canada throughout the western world but but certainly here in british

00:24:52.800 columbia even even here in my hometown but definitely down definitely down in the lower

00:24:57.440 mainland uh it's gotten out of control and there is an ideology running the system an ideology

00:25:03.740 where standardized testing no that's racist or it's wrong or trying to put kids through a

00:25:07.900 provincial exam that's just a wrong way of doing things but telling them all that they were born

00:25:12.420 in the wrong body so that it's okay to think that you were born in the wrong body or it's okay

00:25:16.340 to change something about yourself fundamentally uh when you are a child before you're old enough

00:25:23.080 to drive a car or buy a cigarette or go to the cannabis store or and we don't even have to talk

00:25:28.680 about advices get married without your parents consideration i think the youngest age you can

00:25:33.380 get married in canada out in quebec i think it actually is below 16 with permission but still

00:25:38.520 below 16 but the point is that go ahead and tell me that's not a belief system a religion and a

00:25:48.580 fundamentalist one of that you know uh and it and it gets violent uh when we do get chris on here

00:25:55.100 uh we'll talk about that because we know that he's been attacked you know he's been attacked

00:25:59.700 and something you know when that happens like that's it's very wrong it's very wrong

00:26:05.860 so i think that what we need to do is we need to take a deep breath and we need to be honest

00:26:12.980 about the fact that what happened in kamloops was wrong uh we don't want children to die

00:26:19.340 in the care of other people whether whether they whether the person exerted as much duty as care

00:26:25.520 if possible, or was an abusive, terrible, evil, wicked person. Obviously, no child deserves to die

00:26:32.180 at the hands of another person or by the neglect of another person. And all deaths, especially

00:26:38.120 amongst children, are a tragedy when even when that person did their best and that person and

00:26:43.120 that child unfortunately dies from a disease or something. That's awful or in an accident. That's

00:26:47.940 awful. And people don't forgive themselves for that if they have a conscience. Well, it's not

00:26:52.360 that that's their fault necessarily if it's complete accident or disease but i mean nobody

00:26:55.660 nobody ever forgets that is what i'm trying to say no one ever forgets but if that's the attitude

00:27:00.540 and the amount of pearl clutching we're going to do over what happened in kamloops that's that's

00:27:05.540 fine and we should and we need to grieve and we need to have catharsis so we need to we need to

00:27:10.280 address the issue that was there but simultaneously then we need to be honest about the ongoing

00:27:17.160 violence against children that's happening right now when it comes to the transgender issue

00:27:22.100 And, you know, it's one thing to be an adult and to decide that you are going to change everything about yourself, perhaps just with the way you dress, or perhaps in the way you talk, or perhaps the name you call yourself, all the way up to radical, radical alterations done with a scalpel that cannot be undone in any seamless way, to put it as politely as possible.

00:27:52.100 uh that's one thing as an adult it's quite another thing for a child and we mean children children

00:28:02.340 um and we need to be honest about that and in 20 years i mean me i'm a crazy guy out in the 0.64

00:28:08.660 wilderness right now you know these darn public school systems said with the same kind of sneer 0.95

00:28:14.180 as others say of the residential schools those residential schools well these public schools 0.97

00:28:18.900 schools in general right now curricula the curricula of british columbia and other places

00:28:23.860 like the same derision that people have even religious people nowadays some of them anyways

00:28:29.620 have for residential schools i'm saying i'm using that same kind of sneer and tone

00:28:34.420 and glare towards the question of our current curriculum to say look like we are teaching kids

00:28:41.220 wicked ideas wicked and we're doing it actively not passively this isn't just neglect this is an

00:28:46.740 act of choice that's being made and you know the irony the irony is that we are looking at a higher

00:28:55.380 we are looking at a higher power here we're looking at uh the ideology and uh we need to be

00:29:02.500 honest about that we've got some comments here we're still just waiting for our our beloved

00:29:08.580 guest in the wings he'll he'll be along shortly i'm very very sure um but let's let's look at some

00:29:16.500 some of the stuff we've got on the wings here uh so the albertan is back that's good to see him

00:29:21.060 that's good to see you from our new location the church has many abuses to answer for but it would

00:29:25.580 be an injustice to claim that such abuses are the sole domain of religion the state is complicit in

00:29:30.220 this as well yeah well i mean and that's totally true we're going to bring our guest on in just a

00:29:34.220 moment but but we need to be very clear about that as well thank and thank you for bringing that up

00:29:38.240 because the truth is that it didn't happen it did not happen without the expressed consent of the

00:29:44.440 state when it comes to residential schools and for that matter they paid for it right that we used

00:29:49.220 tax dollars to help make these things happen so let's be clear about that that guilt is on all

00:29:54.360 of us in that respect it was a public project and so let's be honest about that we don't get to

00:30:00.700 call any exemption for that so we're going to bring on our our favorite billboard chris there

00:30:06.480 is only one billboard chris but we've got chris elson on today and he's going to tell us a little

00:30:10.960 bit more about what's happening in the world of fighting for the innocence of children and trying

00:30:16.200 to trying to bring bc and the rest of the world back to sanity welcome to the program chris

00:30:20.800 thank you nathan it's good to be here again thanks for having me it's great to have you of course

00:30:26.720 always again i just want to just want to warn both the viewers and yourself that we did just move to

00:30:32.060 a new location and so we're hoping the internet's going to hold out the whole way through it could

00:30:36.240 get a little choppy but we're pretty sure we're in uh we got enough bandwidth and there's not

00:30:40.040 enough traffic anywhere else right now we should be okay but just want to just as a head in case

00:30:44.280 people drop off for what's happening um let's start from the top here i mean i think you're

00:30:49.260 about to go on a big trip you didn't just come back from you're telling me that you're about to

00:30:52.720 go on one what's what's the trip for chris yeah i just came back from a little trip i went to

00:30:58.000 colonna calgary and edmonton awesome um because i hang out in busy locations and i have conversations

00:31:06.300 with people about the harm coming at children who are being lied to in our schools and on social

00:31:13.580 media and wherever else into believing that it is possible for them to change their sex

00:31:20.220 and that it's just a simple matter of deciding because these kids are taught

00:31:25.180 that their gender identity is their true self and gender identity is basically

00:31:30.300 just an entire the whole this whole ideology gender ideology is based on stereotypes so 0.50

00:31:39.220 gender ideology teaches children that stereotypes determine what sex they are so if a girl is more

00:31:46.680 masculine that means she's a boy or maybe she's halfway to being a boy on the on the spectrum 0.71

00:31:52.460 and if a boy is more effeminate then that means he has a girl brain or something

00:31:58.620 uh the ideology changes its own rules all the time but we're teaching kids and it's primarily

00:32:03.820 affecting girls that they can just opt out of their sex and they can go on these harmful puberty

00:32:10.860 blocking drugs it's a drug called lupron in north america that stops puberty from occurring so you

00:32:17.500 can imagine all the things that happen during puberty won't happen and then after that they 0.75

00:32:21.500 always go on to the next step which is the opposite sex is hormones so girls are taking

00:32:26.060 testosterone boys are taking estrogen and oftentimes these girls are getting mastectomies

00:32:31.420 done at the age of 14 15 16 even without parental approval and i don't think the first answer to a

00:32:40.380 child who's having some distress regarding their gender i don't think the first thing we do should

00:32:47.340 be stick them immediately on pharmaceutical drugs which have never been tested for purpose 0.98

00:32:52.300 and then give them cosmetic surgeries to alter their appearance to be more like the other sex 0.97

00:32:57.080 i think this is a bit mental i think that's slightly insane chris i have to agree with you

00:33:03.040 uh it it also kind of kind of hits me that it seems i mean if you tried to float this idea

00:33:09.840 before we kind of got to the boiling point that we're at now with everybody just turning up the

00:33:14.520 heat just a little bit while we were just kind of falling asleep in that pot uh if you tried to

00:33:19.060 bring this idea up even even 10 years ago and said yeah no this is what we're going to start

00:33:23.660 doing with kids i'm like i'm going to take you know i'm going to tell your little girl who's not

00:33:28.080 even 12 yet not puberty i'm going to explain to her that she is now a boy and don't worry i've

00:33:33.940 got some drugs in one hand and a scalpel in the other and she's going to look like you know the 0.89

00:33:38.800 most beautiful boy who ever lived once i'm done with her i think i think you might get punched 0.98

00:33:42.780 for that a couple of years back i think that would i think that would go badly for that advocate

00:33:47.500 it's weird now you're saying the opposite yeah because i have been punched a few times and

00:33:55.700 gotten my arm broken in montreal and you were talking about another big trip i'm going on

00:33:59.780 another trip at the end of this week i leave on saturday for toronto and then i'm heading up to

00:34:04.620 ottawa and i might get one day in quebec city but i'm there for eight days i'm gonna park myself

00:34:12.180 outside ottawa for three or four of those days outside parliament and uh yeah i just go on a bit

00:34:20.900 of faith but when you put yourself out there sometimes good things happen so i've read with

00:34:25.140 politicians there in the past and hopefully i do again but at the very least these trips

00:34:30.420 are always a success because i'm always talking people and i'm always uh spreading gospel of

00:34:37.060 gender truth to them and so then when these parents learn what's going on then they can

00:34:41.460 protect their own children because people have no idea what is in our

00:34:45.140 school system and what we're teaching our kids and i

00:34:48.420 see this as an emergency because when i'm out there on the streets 0.97

00:34:51.700 and i see a group of four young girls you know young adult women 0.85

00:34:56.260 university age high school age i know almost every time i'm about to get 0.99

00:35:02.660 uh in some heat because this ideology is not

00:35:07.140 has not just been accepted by a few it has been accepted

00:35:11.460 by the masses in high school or university, they almost all believe it, except for the boys.

00:35:21.300 There's a big discrepancy between the sexes on this issue. Now, a lot of boys are buying into 0.69

00:35:27.280 this ideology, or they at least buy into that they need to be kind and be nice and not, you know,

00:35:33.140 ruffle any feathers about it. And of course, it's always good to be kind. But it's not kind to say

00:35:39.080 nothing when children are being sterilized all across this country and so at the very least 1.00

00:35:46.920 i'll do my bit to have one conversation at a time and raise awareness and uh this transgender craze 1.00

00:35:52.920 that's seducing our daughters to borrow the title from abigail fryer's book irreversible damage 1.00

00:35:58.440 is a giant problem and the politicians won't listen they actually know exactly what's going on

00:36:03.240 but it's too hot for them to touch so i just do my part to keep the heat on and that's and that's

00:36:13.800 what we have to start with i mean until until politicians are going to listen and and start

00:36:18.520 well quite frankly banning banning transitioning before you are of age to consent yourself and at

00:36:24.080 that point i mean i'm not i i personally still don't agree with that but i but due to the

00:36:29.840 constitution in the world we live in i mean i must i must admit that that would be under someone's

00:36:34.820 charter rights to make that decision once they're of the age of majority but certainly not before

00:36:40.120 um i think something that could be brought up here i tried i tried to make this connection

00:36:44.700 in my opening statement i'm not sure if you caught much of it i in my opening statement i was trying

00:36:50.140 to draw a connection between what happened in kamloops we've had this shocking revelation

00:36:55.280 obviously of the children being found uh a grave site unfortunately and i mean unfortunately also

00:37:03.320 not a surprise anymore to a lot of us that and that that this has happened and this is evil and

00:37:08.980 terrible and that's bad at the same time people are so dismissive of that they're like well that

00:37:14.640 was the residential school system i mean these people were believing in a higher power and

00:37:19.280 because they believe in a higher power anything went they did whatever they wanted and it didn't

00:37:22.880 matter and i i sit here i kind of sat here just before you got on i said look like people are

00:37:27.260 going to say that 20 years from now about the current curriculum that's indoctrinating children

00:37:31.520 when it comes to transgenderism i'm saying it now i sound like a crazy person today or somebody can

00:37:36.580 try and cancel me today but you know what like in 20 years people people are going to have to admit 0.61

00:37:43.220 that hey sterilizing all these kids that was pretty terrible too that's all that's as bad as

00:37:47.960 this grave site we've just found but are they going to admit that well politicians will never

00:37:55.140 admit anything they just twist the narrative and say that they were against this all along but

00:38:00.640 you know Nathan one important point on that is I just saw a chart this morning actually about 19

00:38:10.240 percent of canada who are given these sterilizing chemically castrating drugs and surgeries are

00:38:19.920 indigenous which is totally out of proportion i think the indigenous population canada is only

00:38:26.880 two or three percent or something like that don't call me on that 1.00

00:38:29.920 but the numbers of indigenous children transitioning are way too high

00:38:33.760 some reasons for that are the foster system where 55 percent of kids are indigenous and then we get

00:38:43.540 maniacs in British Columbia like this psychologist Wallace Wong who on camera has admitted to 0.89

00:38:51.340 transitioning for 1,000 children including over 500 who are in the foster system so you're

00:38:58.420 absolutely right once again indigenous children are being forgotten about

00:39:03.800 experimented on and no one's there to advocate for them so we have a crisis 0.51

00:39:11.700 easily as big as what happened with the residential schools in terms of numbers 0.72

00:39:17.300 of children we're going to see far greater numbers because this is

00:39:21.180 affecting thousands and then tens of thousands over the years and it's all a 0.96

00:39:29.460 lie it's all a lie every single thing that these trans activists or these

00:39:36.580 gender extremists say is untrue they say puberty blockers are just a pause button

00:39:43.060 that you can fully reverse they're fully reversible you know that there's no

00:39:50.300 damage done but if you put a child from the age of 11 on puberty blockers until she's 17

00:39:58.460 how do you get back those six years of development obviously you don't don't come

00:40:03.020 off puberty blockers and then go through puberty until you're 23. puberty's gone you'll never get

00:40:10.060 it back and they've also in that time because we've seen from the studies in the gender clinics

00:40:15.500 themselves about 98 or 99 of these children go on to the next step of this process because it is a

00:40:23.140 process it's puberty blockers which is this drug called lupron then it is cross-sex hormones and 0.98

00:40:30.780 it's also surgery and more and more kids young adults who have detransitioned are speaking up

00:40:38.320 now 60 minutes at a seven minute segment on their hour-long program it was the whole program was

00:40:44.720 about different trans issues but they focused seven minutes interviewing these

00:40:48.500 four different de-transitioners and it was heartbreaking because these kids all

00:40:53.480 told the same story how they were rushed into these medical procedures this one

00:40:59.720 boy he was only three months into the process before he got castrated so he'd 0.87

00:41:07.960 gone on estrogen and then three months later oh okay time to chop off your 0.99

00:41:11.820 testicles we've permanently damaged this boy he's now a detransition he's now a young man 0.98

00:41:17.760 look what we've done and these doctors don't know these kids last time i was in audible

00:41:25.020 a mom came out to protest with me and she told me that this 14 year old girl had gone to chio

00:41:32.860 which katherine mckenna is promoting right now our liberal politician um this kid had just gone

00:41:40.460 into chio and after one 20-minute appointment had been injected with lupron and this drug just so

00:41:45.980 people know this drug was originally given fda approval to treat prostate cancer and then

00:41:50.880 endometriosis in women there's never been one single clinical study done for the purpose this

00:41:58.160 drug is being used which is to stop puberty it just happens to do that what it does is it stops

00:42:02.980 the pituitary gland from releasing luteinizing hormone which in turn trigger the testes to

00:42:09.260 produce testosterone and triggers the ovaries estrogen females so none of this happens so

00:42:15.420 none of your secondary sex characteristics which should be developing during puberty will happen

00:42:22.700 and these doctors do this right away first appointment these endocrinologists they will 0.95

00:42:30.060 give these kids lupron to stop puberty happening and one of the lies that these trans activists

00:42:36.940 tell us is oh it's just used so the child can then explore their gender identity and figure out what

00:42:41.980 to do well that sounds all very almost sort of okay not really but if you weren't thinking much

00:42:51.740 you could say oh okay that makes sense but that's not how this happens they go on these

00:42:57.980 rocking drugs they always go on to the hormones and now they're permanently altered for life

00:43:01.820 every single time you can't reverse it it's not a pause button even after you come off of lupron

00:43:08.700 it takes quite a while and a good system to get back function properly on its own

00:43:15.820 i've run into parents whose children have been on lupron uh for other reasons such as a condition

00:43:22.380 known as precocious puberty where kids are going into puberty very early in like four or five years

00:43:27.820 they used this drug to pause puberty then but then they take these kids off it and they're

00:43:33.180 supposed to hit puberty at a normal age and even then it's a long time for them to get back going

00:43:38.700 properly if it ever does at all so there's just a whole host of problems and this is a medical

00:43:46.220 scandal this is nothing to do with bigotry towards gender transgender whatever this is a medical

00:43:53.820 scandal we have seen a four thousand five thousand percent increase in the nerve kids going to these

00:43:58.220 gender clinics we used to have a handful of these gender clinics across north america now there's 0.51

00:44:02.380 five or six hundred of them there's wait lists at all these places they're going to keep opening up

00:44:07.100 more to satisfy the demand this is just basic capitalism and it is capitalism because it's a

00:44:13.660 billion dollar industry for the pharmaceutical industry and for doctors who are making a hundred

00:44:17.580 thousand to pop on these sex change operations i mean this is this is the nature of industry right

00:44:26.460 this is the nature of any industrial complex that surrounds any social ill it it makes for good

00:44:32.220 money uh and i mean this isn't we're not here to discuss the residential question and there were

00:44:38.060 bad things that happened that's not being argued but again even there an entire grievance industry

00:44:44.700 has been built up and and lots of lots of hand waving and not a lot of action on the actual

00:44:50.700 things that might need to change to help aboriginal people in canada coming back to

00:44:55.180 this question of advocating for children especially on the question section where where is that other

00:45:00.780 alternative voice i believe i believe you're doing it where where else is anybody talking

00:45:05.980 about how this is this is killing our kids and this is wrong and it's and it's robbing us of

00:45:11.340 of their of their future their own personal future being a parent a mother a father and raising their

00:45:17.560 own biological offspring and for those who are adopted i'm adopted it's not a problem to adopt

00:45:23.040 i just mean that that potential whether they know it or not whether they are actually fertile or not

00:45:27.540 that's a different question but they're being robbed of it before before their you know the

00:45:32.280 testicles even drop or their ovaries even activate a lot of these kids are transitioning before

00:45:37.700 they've ever even held someone's hand or kissed a boy they're destroying all their future sexual 0.97

00:45:43.700 function forever it's just a mess these kids aren't kids that grew up with gender dysphoria

00:45:49.460 so i'll answer your question in a second let me just backtrack a little bit gender dysphoria is

00:45:53.940 a condition where there's an incongruity between your birth sex and i guess how you feel and

00:46:01.220 that's all based on stereotypes of course because we associate certain stereotypes with being a boy

00:46:05.620 and we associate other ones with being a girl so gender non-conformity is a beautiful thing

00:46:09.860 if a boy is more feminine girls more masculine whatever go dress however you please um

00:46:16.980 but when you're 12 years old we shouldn't be stopping your biological processes and 0.99

00:46:22.900 doing cosmetic surgeries on you when you're 14 chopping off your breasts like this is

00:46:26.580 absolutely nice anyway where are all the people talking about this well you're talking about it 0.69

00:46:31.060 it right now. There's some other podcasters in Canada doing some things. There's feminists who

00:46:36.820 are mainly talking online, which is not enough. We need people on the streets. So the answer to 1.00

00:46:42.460 your question is there's really nobody. There's just me out on the streets talking to everyday

00:46:48.280 people. And I don't say that to some braggadocious or something because I wish there were 10,000

00:46:54.400 people and I wish I didn't have to do this and I could just go mow my lawn and spend time in my

00:46:58.680 garden but I felt it was really important to get on in the street and talk to

00:47:02.280 everybody the media or what's going on and in fact they're doing opposite all

00:47:07.020 of our mainstream media are pushing this narrative the government is pushing it

00:47:10.920 this is coming into more and more schools all the time it's real PC but

00:47:16.240 it's still getting taught more and more and the rest of Canada is in this

00:47:19.500 spread as well and if you start teaching this to hundreds of thousands millions

00:47:25.420 of children because it's going to be throughout all of our school systems we are going to have

00:47:30.620 an absolutely massive problem on our hands and i don't know how many thousands of children we need 0.98

00:47:35.980 sterilized before some politician wakes up and says enough but they're all cowards with the

00:47:45.100 exception of a handful of conservatives who have spoken out against this and they won't say anything

00:47:50.940 And the people of Canada, you know, this is really quite predictable because usually people aren't ever going to protest until something affects them directly.

00:47:59.940 So like we've seen with all the freedom rallies, you know, the anti-masker rallies, people have been affected directly by COVID, so they go out in the thousands and protest.

00:48:10.940 We've seen Palestinians in the thousands going through the streets because it affects them.

00:48:13.940 affects them the people who this affects are the children cannot speak out and the parents of these

00:48:21.140 children who are transitioning who are now in such a delicate situation because they have to

00:48:26.340 protect their children they can't speak out they can't make this a public thing

00:48:30.980 they can't alienate their child or upset their child they just have to be there for their child

00:48:35.860 so it's a really unique situation because the people who are actually directly impacted

00:48:39.620 aren't usually able to speak and because we have this cancel culture now we're even

00:48:44.220 suggesting that a child should do some talk therapy before permanently sterilizing themselves

00:48:50.700 that seems transphobic and everyone's just afraid of getting canceled but

00:48:55.340 there's a lot of people that can't speak up and they should speak up and they need to start

00:49:00.460 speaking up yeah they should i don't check how deep the water is just jump you know that's a

00:49:06.820 great policy that's that's perfect yes when i started out on this

00:49:11.500 i mean i came prepared for a big battle deleted every tweet i'd ever written i deleted all my

00:49:18.660 facebook posts i even got rid of all my facebook friends because i didn't need people who were kind

00:49:22.640 of crazy taking pictures of my kids and putting them on social media or whatever i just came at

00:49:28.640 this strategically and i came prepared for a long battle and um i didn't know what was going to

00:49:33.440 happen. I didn't expect to get arrested a couple of times and get jumped by Antifa on the streets

00:49:38.600 of Montreal, but that's okay. Every time something bad happens, it's actually a blessing in disguise

00:49:44.920 because it helps boost the message and helps reach people. So if people want to keep trying

00:49:49.060 to assault me or whatever, I guess I totally welcome that because I'll take a broken bone

00:49:53.820 any day or week if it reaches another million people. But yeah, people just need to get over

00:50:00.060 their fear because we're on the right side of history we're telling the truth and we're looking

00:50:05.460 out for the well-being of children and if you can't jump into the deep end to save a child

00:50:09.720 you got no business being a parent no i completely agree i completely agree can we talk a little bit

00:50:17.480 about de-transitioning and just i mean i'm not you know you're not a medical doctor uh and you've

00:50:22.740 been very clear from that from day one uh but you you know the nomenclature here you're you're very

00:50:27.540 more aware than most people and probably a lot

00:50:29.820 of the medical profession what exactly is going on

00:50:31.860 here so

00:50:32.840 Nathan's true that's true

00:50:35.760 because when I was in the hospital I was enlightening

00:50:37.980 lots of doctors and nurses about puberty

00:50:39.720 doctors because they never heard of

00:50:40.860 that's very interesting

00:50:43.880 sorry let me

00:50:45.220 your arm no it's no problem

00:50:46.900 so so I guess

00:50:49.720 for some reason Nathan

00:50:51.620 decides he's going to become Natalie

00:50:53.280 I'm a 240 pound

00:50:55.800 guy I'm not going to look like the most

00:50:57.540 beautiful woman in the world i don't think but you know and i'm a consenting adult this is before

00:51:02.060 this is before uh rather after uh you know i'm not i'm not a child so i'm not this isn't a puberty

00:51:07.720 blocking exercise that's not going to be the same thing but let's just pretend for a moment that

00:51:11.820 i start taking the estrogen i start i i get all the surgeries and now i've you know i've been

00:51:17.860 altered so what i have but my legs is now gone and changed and and i've you know maybe had

00:51:23.880 cosmetic surgery to to give me some kind of womanly features up here i go five years down

00:51:29.780 this road i'm just turning 40 like a little ways from there i decide i don't want to do this anymore

00:51:35.280 what happens what happens to get me out of the new body i put myself in nothing happens nothing

00:51:42.560 well you've already damaged yourself you're not going to get it back that's it yeah this is a 0.97

00:51:50.280 one-way street there's no I mean they're so for girls when their voice drops they

00:51:58.560 can do things like they do surgeries and things like that to try to get them a 0.77

00:52:06.060 more feminine voice again it just involves more surgeries honestly if a 1.00

00:52:16.140 girl's got a beard she's not gonna get rid of her beard mm-hmm you're not gonna 1.00

00:52:21.300 grow your testicles back mm-hmm it's done so it's irreversible damage that's 0.98

00:52:29.820 the problem and we're doing this on 12 year olds 10 year olds even younger but 0.99

00:52:35.760 we're socially transitioning these children even younger because in

00:52:39.060 kindergarten like I think I probably showed you last time there's even a

00:52:43.580 lesson plan for kindergartners to practice the pronouns they'll get a little card saying hi my

00:52:49.660 name is tim please call me hey and their job is to go around the classroom introducing themselves

00:52:54.220 says that hi i'm tim please call me they hi i'm she please call me he hi i'm chris please call

00:52:59.340 me they these are four and five year olds and we're already implanting in their precious little

00:53:06.140 brains the idea that sex is changeable and these kids are coming home and

00:53:13.780 they're telling their moms and dads that they learned at school today that

00:53:16.660 there's really no such thing as boys and girls. There's a woman named Pamela

00:53:19.740 Buffon in Ottawa who is taking the Ottawa School District to the Human Rights Tribunal

00:53:24.560 right now because her six-year-old daughter came home one day

00:53:28.340 distraught because her teacher told her that boys and girls aren't real.

00:53:34.140 might there be anything more again you know for us who are religious i mean obviously we believe

00:53:43.780 in an alternative reality that that imbues everything etc etc etc like and i understand

00:53:49.140 that that's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow i get that but even if you were being a

00:53:53.180 materialist and an empiricist and like a radical one to the point where like if you don't see it 0.98

00:53:58.720 you don't believe it i'm pretty sure we all know that like penises and vaginas exist like i i think 0.79

00:54:05.760 i think we know that and outside a very small portion of there being hermaphroditism and and 0.93

00:54:12.100 other other odd things going on there which we all acknowledge normal nobody has ever said that

00:54:17.140 those are normal things what what in god's good name could you say other than the fact that there 0.64

00:54:22.500 are two genders sexes that are directly connected to biology we know that like that's like that's

00:54:29.700 empirically observable yeah the idea may be a little bit dysphoric like i mean do i think i

00:54:34.820 know what being the perfect man is no i think that's a journey a journey a struggle to understand

00:54:39.940 how to be a better man how to let my woman do these i think the perfect man wears a red lumberjack

00:54:45.220 shirt and has a full head of hair there you go there you go that's thank you chris but i i

00:54:51.940 wouldn't just touch on one point you made though there's a myth going on around which is natural

00:54:57.860 because we've always heard this about hermaphroditism hermaphrodites no one's born with both

00:55:04.340 sex organs we're all born male or female there are disorders of sex development or variations

00:55:09.140 of sex development the trans lobbyists like to call them intersex people and they like to call

00:55:14.900 it a different sex but it just means that things didn't develop quite right and uh things might not

00:55:22.020 look the same down there but everyone's still made of a female like some men some boys are born with

00:55:26.980 their testes internalized so that's right they might appear this is like castor semenya the track

00:55:33.780 athlete they might appear to be female at this but they learn later oh you know you're actually a

00:55:43.860 male and they still produce sperm and they can still get people pregnant so they're fully male

00:55:50.500 because we are a sexually dimorphic species and it is our gametes that determine our sex our

00:55:55.220 gametes are sperm and eggs and nobody produces both of those otherwise they can get themselves

00:56:01.780 pregnant so um yeah there's just two sexes and that's what it is now gender is all about

00:56:09.700 stereotypes gender is about how you present and gender has been conflated to mean sex

00:56:16.900 uh gender used to be used synonymously the word sex perhaps as a more polite word

00:56:23.140 instead of saying what sex are you it was maybe more polite to say what gender are you

00:56:27.540 and it used to be in the dsm4 as gender identity disorder when the dsm5 came out so this is the

00:56:36.260 diagnostic and statistical manual that psychologists and psychiatrists use in diagnosing when the dsm

00:56:42.340 5 came out in 2013 they changed the name of gender identity disorder to gender dysphoria

00:56:51.220 and i guess their goal was to treat you know the depression and the anxiety that surrounded

00:56:58.340 the dysphoria and not call it a disorder but what we've done now is we've gone from calling

00:57:04.660 it a disorder to calling it dysphoria now we teach just eight years after gender identity disorder

00:57:11.620 got taken out of the dsm we teach that gender identity is your true inner self

00:57:20.580 and how do you determine what your true inner self is nathan well you must be a man because

00:57:26.180 you're wearing a lumberjack shirt and you've got a beard and that's really manly but maybe if you

00:57:33.060 wore a pink shirt like i did last time on your show maybe that puts you on the spectrum towards 0.91

00:57:37.700 being a girl like this is all insane if a boy wants to be feminine as he wants to be go for it 0.94

00:57:44.580 chances are he's going to grow up to be gay and what this whole movement is doing is what we call 0.98

00:57:50.420 transing away the gay because it's taking kids who probably the majority of whom will grow up to be 0.54

00:57:57.140 gay and it's telling them that because of stereotypes they are actually the other 0.96

00:58:02.020 gender or the other sex and the only way they'll feel happier is by physically transitioning 0.99

00:58:08.260 permanently altering their bodies sterilizing themselves destroying all future sexual function 0.90

00:58:13.220 and in fact increasing suicidality and that's another thing that trans activists lie about 0.93

00:58:18.420 they say that if kids aren't allowed to transition they will kill themselves so they'll tell the

00:58:22.580 parents well you've got two options here you can either let your child transition or you can have

00:58:26.660 have a dead kid this is just the worst form of manipulation possible weaponizing suicide and

00:58:32.320 it's not even true if you go to my website under the heading of puberty blockers i have a sub

00:58:37.080 heading there called the studies and i've listed all the major studies that have ever been done

00:58:41.100 into gender dysphoria going back decades and 80 to 90 of these kids when they're allowed to go

00:58:46.500 through puberty their dysphoria desists i also listed off all these different studies about

00:58:50.040 suicides because the first thing i often hear on the street is i'm going to make kids kill themselves

00:58:54.660 because i'm such a hateful person and it's just not true suicide in kids is vanishing rare

00:59:00.980 it's not common at all and it's just a total lie but it's used because it's effective in silencing

00:59:07.540 debate and shutting people up who would speak out about this sort of thing

00:59:14.420 there's there's something to jump on there and it is that look we you know again for those of us who

00:59:19.620 are more right-wing particularly more socially conservative i mean the alphabet soup as they

00:59:24.680 like to call it right the lgbtq it keeps growing and growing and growing but from what you're

00:59:30.120 saying i don't understand why the l the g's or even the b's are are having any truck with the t's

00:59:36.620 like if he's and the rest of them aren't getting along why why is there such intersectionalism why

00:59:42.160 why are they supposedly in solidarity if the trend if the trans part is going to take over all the

00:59:47.660 other parts that is a fantastic question and a lot of the lgb are not on board with this they're

00:59:56.380 diametrically opposed to it there have been groups online forming around the world called lgb alliance

01:00:03.180 just lgb because lgb is all about your sexual orientation and most everyone agrees that sexual

01:00:08.380 orientation is immutable and we should never try to change that in a person but when it comes to

01:00:14.940 the t that's a totally different thing that's just saying that you're a different sex than you are 0.97

01:00:20.060 and it didn't used to be like this old school transsexuals would have acknowledged that yes 0.96

01:00:23.900 i'm male but i'm an adult and it makes me happier to present as a female go ahead fill your boots 0.94

01:00:32.860 you're an adult do what you want but we're telling these kids today that they have this inner self

01:00:38.620 called their gender identity which is their real self and that our biology essentially means nothing

01:00:46.120 and so when you present this option to all these kids especially girls who might be having a tough

01:00:51.540 time in adolescence you really can be really hard for girls especially and social media makes

01:00:59.140 everything so much worse if I could give one piece of advice to any parent out there

01:01:03.500 your kids don't need social media they'll be totally fine my kids are 9 and 11

01:01:08.860 they're not on it at all they know they're not going to be on it and they're happy not to be on

01:01:12.460 it um you know use it sparingly for school projects or whatever like you got to use your brain but

01:01:18.540 kids don't need to be on social media sites like tiktok and tumblr and reddit and watching youtube

01:01:23.340 videos because there's all these peer teen influencers who are super charismatic and

01:01:30.940 young adults who are grooming these children that they're gonna feel way better and it's totally

01:01:37.100 cult-like and with lightning speed these kids who never grew up with any dysphoria get into high

01:01:44.140 school get all these influences around them and before mom and dad have a clue what's going on

01:01:51.340 these kids have changed their name at school changed their pronouns at school

01:01:55.820 and the school won't even tell the parents when they do this and now they're wanting to transition

01:02:01.180 and some of them will just do socially for a while and then they'll grow out of it

01:02:05.100 but a certain percentage will end up in these gender clinics straight on to pharmaceuticals

01:02:10.620 and surgeries and the more this gets into our schools the more and more this is to happen

01:02:16.220 because the schools are the source of this schools and social media this is no longer

01:02:22.300 a problem of just adult men who are have this condition called autogynephilia where essentially

01:02:30.460 they to get aroused by the idea of themselves this isn't just a problem of adult men wanting

01:02:34.940 to use female washroom and get into female sports that is a problem it's a huge problem that we're 0.91

01:02:42.620 sending rapists and murderers into women's prisons now because they simply self-identify as a woman 0.72

01:02:48.140 but the numbers aren't huge the numbers are huge with children and it's going to get bigger and

01:02:57.740 bigger and bigger unless we you me everyone else watching put a stop to this because the government's

01:03:04.940 not going to do it the media's not going to do it so we can't all go outside and wear a sandwich

01:03:10.220 board like i do but we can all have conversations with people we can have we can make posts on our

01:03:16.380 social media groups in our communities we can talk to our friends and our colleagues and the more we

01:03:23.420 do this the more we reach people who can eventually affect change and more public opinion changes the

01:03:30.220 safer it is for our cowardly politicians to do something and sorry i'm not sure if i answered

01:03:35.740 your original question i tend to get on these rants but that's why we yeah that's wired we

01:03:43.500 like the rant but it's just it's a total disaster and we've got to do something so i'm just doing

01:03:54.680 what i can and that's just have conversations with people give me one second my my light went

01:04:00.480 up you keep talking i'll keep listening for sure for sure uh i i think that i think the other thing

01:04:06.240 that needs to be kind of noted here is that it's it's not just it's not just that there's

01:04:13.600 there's transitioning happening now there's there's a lack of intersection inside of inside

01:04:17.840 of the lgb and then the t and then the rest of the community and how things are going there

01:04:23.420 i think i think the other part to your point it's not just it's not just it it really is what's

01:04:29.620 going on with the kids right like how how did we let this happen to children of of all people like

01:04:36.540 those are supposed to be the ones that we protect the strongest and we've decided that they're not

01:04:41.360 worthy of protection in this area i i'm kind of i'm still just blown away by the idea that

01:04:47.460 that we really would want to not just radically alter a child's body or any of that or or tell

01:04:53.680 them that you know there's a little person inside of you who's not being properly expressed but

01:04:57.320 don't worry the scalpel and these pills will fix that for you that's all crazy too but even deeper

01:05:02.680 than that like what about the innocence of children i mean are children supposed to be

01:05:08.280 asking questions around even their sexual orientation and that sort of thing like at

01:05:12.340 such a young age like why why wouldn't we want children to kind of develop as they are

01:05:17.540 and in the biology that they have and then again i i don't agree with this but i but i acknowledge

01:05:23.700 that in a free democratic society, this is what happens.

01:05:26.500 They can make those decisions once they're of an age majority.

01:05:28.980 What happened to that?

01:05:29.680 The idea of there being childhood versus adulthood.

01:05:32.960 Well, that idea is still a completely dominant idea.

01:05:37.760 Nine out of 10 people I talk to on the street

01:05:39.640 completely agree with you and I. 0.99

01:05:42.460 It's this extreme minority who are very loud and angry,

01:05:46.420 who have managed their activism and through their funds

01:05:49.680 to effect change.

01:05:51.400 so you would ask ask me before you know aren't isn't the lgb community making issue with all

01:05:58.600 this transgender stuff going on when it's actually affecting their population it's affecting kids

01:06:06.680 and young adults who are confused and are in all likelihood okay so um they are speaking up more

01:06:17.160 and more they're being called bigots and they're even getting their their uh websites and their

01:06:23.800 posts taken down by big tech um which is kind of hilarious but you know there's there's a long

01:06:34.520 story to this and uh i guess when a lot of the gay rights were won which i considered to be a great

01:06:41.160 thing all that money and all these organizations had to find a new goal and so all that money moved

01:06:50.280 on to trans rights and because this stuff is also crazy they're not able to tell the truth

01:06:59.000 to accomplish their goals they have to lie about it in order to win over the population

01:07:04.040 because it would never fly so they've been telling a lot of lies they've explained a lot of money

01:07:08.920 there are some very powerful activists there are some billionaires who have

01:07:12.680 been splashing all around one billionaire trans woman named Jennifer

01:07:18.240 Pritzker another billionaire trans woman named Martine Rothblatt another

01:07:21.080 billionaire named John Stryker who runs this group called the Arcus

01:07:25.060 Foundation they're extremely strategic and super wealthy and they've been very

01:07:31.780 successful with their lobbying efforts as have all these lgbtq2ias plus organizations but many 0.99

01:07:42.020 people in the gay and lesbian community are also getting tired of this alphabet soup stuff because

01:07:47.140 it's just gone way too far it used to be just about inclusion about you know let people love

01:07:51.780 who they want to love and why should we care we shouldn't but that's not at all what this is

01:07:56.740 anymore this is about producing body dissociation in children and getting them to go on pharmaceuticals

01:08:04.340 and billions of dollars for the pharmaceutical industry and permanently destroying their future

01:08:10.580 you know sexual functions sterility ability to have kids breastfeed their own children

01:08:17.780 ah it's it's just heartbreaking so it is we will get there in the end because we have the truth on

01:08:24.500 our side and we don't billions of dollars to tell the truth we just need more people to tell the

01:08:29.300 truth and that starts with people learning what's going on so i think that's what i'm doing in my

01:08:34.900 own little small just before we get into how how people can help support you what you're doing and

01:08:42.420 and of course uh ally with you and and work with you in maybe their own communities to try and to

01:08:47.540 try and make that point i think that you brought up a really interesting point there and it's

01:08:51.700 It's something that we have to admit to on the right as well.

01:08:54.060 It was well said once.

01:08:56.080 It's a bit of a leap here, but it all connects.

01:08:58.040 It was well said, of course, that by President Eisenhower at his farewell address that, you

01:09:03.320 know, the military industrial complex was now powerful enough to make its own wars, right?

01:09:07.600 So it had a vested interest in building the weapons that would cause war and that would

01:09:12.720 take away from the social goods because you'd spend money on that instead of on building

01:09:17.100 a school or building a road or whatever.

01:09:18.740 and to the same point that you're making there i think the original uh element of gay rights

01:09:23.820 was just we just want to be left alone we want to be able to express ourselves to and then there

01:09:28.660 was a transition in another generation to uh we want to be able to get married which actually

01:09:33.140 was interesting because a lot of the older libertines were not interested in that argument

01:09:36.620 there was a big falling out between between the older uh movement of gay rights into the new

01:09:41.260 movement and then now as as you've pointed out very well into the into the gender rights question

01:09:46.420 and gender arguments and transgender arguments.

01:09:51.180 There's been another thing here.

01:09:52.780 So there's always, whether it's right-wing or left-wing,

01:09:55.220 whether it's about social progress or about kind of social stability,

01:09:58.180 it doesn't really matter.

01:09:59.260 The point is that there's always vested interests,

01:10:01.020 and they will always act in their interests.

01:10:03.180 And so we have to be careful that whatever we've built up

01:10:06.640 doesn't get away on us.

01:10:07.740 We can create Frankenstein's monster,

01:10:09.560 which is interesting, too, to use that analogy,

01:10:11.380 because, of course, Frankenstein built his monster out of various parts.

01:10:15.840 Right.

01:10:15.920 Yeah, it's, I had a really good thought and I've lost it.

01:10:23.520 But it's a really interesting trick that they've used.

01:10:30.520 Like, they understand psychology.

01:10:33.060 Make it all about being accepting and loving and inclusive

01:10:38.920 and conflate sexual orientation with gender identity

01:10:44.680 so that every time you speak about gender identity you're including sexual orientation and lgbtq etc

01:10:52.260 who is going to speak against them because then they're looked at as being a bigot not just

01:11:00.100 against what's happening to kids but against lgbtq and so it's just a nice little marketing trick

01:11:09.980 honestly uh to complete these things because then everyone's too confused or too afraid to ever speak

01:11:16.300 up so we have to separate these issues and we have to clearly that this isn't about sexuality

01:11:22.220 or any of that and we have right now this bill going through ottawa just debated it again

01:11:28.140 yesterday it's called bill c6 and if anyone wants to do something please just go google

01:11:38.620 your house of commons members just google house of commons email addresses and you'll find their

01:11:45.100 site right away you'll find the email address for your member of parliament and just send them an

01:11:50.620 email or call them and just say you're not cool with bill c6 because what this bill is going to

01:11:57.820 do on the surface it sounds like a great thing and the liberals and the ndp know this and they

01:12:04.460 know they can use it to hammer the conservatives because who wants to speak out against conversion

01:12:09.580 therapy right nobody this bill is about banning conversion therapy based on someone's sexual

01:12:16.380 orientation or gender identity so again they've included these two totally different issues in

01:12:24.220 the same bill and this bill states it's a myth that gender identity ever changes

01:12:31.180 well holy cow how do you explain detransitioners then they transitioned then they realized oh i

01:12:40.040 was sold a pack of and my body's been permanently damaged and then they detransitioned their gender 0.97

01:12:47.480 identity changed so why are we trying to rush through a bill not allow debate there were

01:12:54.140 hundreds of briefs submitted to the justice committee on this bill and the members of the

01:12:58.840 justice committee weren't even allowed time to read the briefs from all these

01:13:01.960 different individuals and organizations but they're trying to slam through this

01:13:05.880 bill which will make it a criminal offense punishable by up to five years

01:13:11.200 in jail for any counselor parent pastor anybody but what really gets me is the

01:13:18.560 parents and the professional licensed counselors if a professional counselor

01:13:23.800 as a practice treating dysphoric children and trust me if you treat dysphoric children your

01:13:30.240 practice will be booming because there aren't enough practitioners who specialize in this field

01:13:36.660 to talk to all the kids i've had parents reach out to me looking for help and i've helped them

01:13:40.620 to find help but a lot of these practitioners are just completely overwhelmed and don't have time

01:13:48.000 to take any more children but what this bill is going to do is make it a criminal offense if

01:13:52.040 They're deemed to be trying to convert the gender identity of a child.

01:13:58.080 So what does that mean?

01:13:59.800 We don't know because they won't define it properly in the bill.

01:14:04.040 But what it will do is put a chill across this whole psychological profession where these counselors will be too afraid to treat these children with talk therapy, with watchful waiting, you know, just making sure they're okay, helping them out, letting some time pass.

01:14:21.160 because this is a phase and it's almost always a phase if it's not a phase that's pretty rare but

01:14:28.840 it's almost always a phase and what we're seeing now today even higher numbers of these kids are

01:14:32.920 going to desist because these aren't children that have gender dysphoria from the age of three four

01:14:36.920 five six these are primarily girls who get into high school and there's all these different

01:14:43.640 influences all these cult-like influences and only then are they saying that they're the other

01:14:47.800 gender but they're all going to grow out of this because it's not legitimate gender dysphoria

01:14:52.200 overseeing so anyway this bill will make it a criminal offense if counselors just do talk 0.98

01:14:57.720 therapy they're going to be at risk of an activist coming for their business and they'll be in court

01:15:02.520 defending their practice seeing their reputation get dragged through the mud and they're just not

01:15:08.440 going to do it they're not going to treat these kids so then what happens and sorry this is a

01:15:12.600 long-winded answer but some of these things need to be addressed in detail what will then happen

01:15:17.080 is these kids will end up at the gender clinics of these children's hospitals

01:15:20.680 we're on the first or second appointment first appointment might be with a nurse

01:15:24.840 or a social worker just to gather their information 0.98

01:15:28.120 but these people are what we call affirming nurses only they do what's

01:15:34.360 called gender affirming care so if you follow

01:15:37.880 this issue at all and you follow the issue where different

01:15:40.600 states in the united states are trying to ban

01:15:44.600 these drugs treatments you'll see all these news articles about how these politicians are

01:15:50.280 against gender affirming care and that sounds really lovely what a great term gender affirming

01:15:56.200 care it just sounds loving doesn't it what it means is pharmaceuticals straight away

01:16:03.640 cross-sex hormones and surgeries how is it gender affirming care to take a 12 year old

01:16:10.200 and inject them with a chemical castration agent within 20 minutes of meeting them for the first

01:16:17.780 time i call this a chemical castration agent because it is this drug has been used on the

01:16:25.700 worst sex offenders it's been used on pedophiles to chemically castrate them and it's had success 0.90

01:16:32.760 and this is what we give kids for years and years this is completely bonkers so 0.99

01:16:39.440 anyway I don't even know what I was talking about but gender-affirming care another lie 0.55

01:16:46.380 from trans activists they just try to market everything and dress it all up to sound loving 0.89

01:16:51.680 and beautiful and it's the exact opposite it's gruesome it's barbaric and it's sterilizing 0.66

01:16:59.800 an entire generation of gender confused teens who are getting confused because of what we're

01:17:05.700 teaching in the school systems and what they're getting on social media so parents please monitor

01:17:10.520 your child's social media and talk to their teachers get involved a little bit at school

01:17:15.920 you don't got to get involved in the pack but what you do have to do is make some noise with

01:17:19.520 the teacher at the start of the year and if i find out my kid is learning this gender ideology

01:17:23.540 garbage i'm going to pull him out of class and i'm going to make some noise and this is really

01:17:28.760 effective because parents don't teachers don't like getting complaints from parents and when 0.89

01:17:34.920 they have all sorts of different things they teach or teach in a different way um if they know there's

01:17:41.400 pressure on them and if you the parents start educating these teachers as well about the harm

01:17:46.680 coming they're going to be far less likely to teach it and i know there's a lot of teachers

01:17:51.640 out there who aren't teaching this and won't keep it they'll do the bare minimum if they have to

01:17:57.800 but that doesn't stop your kids from getting indoctrinated either because schools will bring

01:18:02.040 in an outside speaker to talk to the whole school and they show different videos and you can go to

01:18:09.160 the soji education website which is bc.soji.org you'll find it on my website as well billboard

01:18:14.920 chris.com under gender ideology schools and you can check out all the lessons plans for yourself

01:18:21.400 but this comes with a caveat those are just options for teachers to use all the lesson plans

01:18:29.000 that are provided to achieve the goals of the curriculum are all optional for these teachers

01:18:33.800 because teachers have autonomy to teach as they see fit so they can just go on the internet and

01:18:39.560 find some videos which they do and they'll show those videos to their class so i don't know if

01:18:45.320 i talked to you before after i did this audio from toronto

01:18:49.400 last month but a 12 year old boy in a toronto classroom

01:18:55.400 in the at a school called bomore road b-o-w-m-o-r-e

01:19:01.160 located in the beaches area of toronto which is a pretty wealthy liberal area

01:19:05.560 this child recorded his teacher and the father

01:19:09.160 the audio to me it's about a half hour long and this lesson

01:19:13.080 is just incredible it's disgusting about six or seven times at least in videos and in what

01:19:21.000 the teacher is saying they are grooming these children to reject their parents the teacher

01:19:26.600 literally says you know sometimes our parents don't understand things as well as we do because

01:19:34.040 they're not calm they're not having conversations about these things like we are in grade seven

01:19:38.840 them and just planting these seeds seed after seed to get these kids to reject their parents 0.95

01:19:47.660 so they get indoctrinated in school into believing this gender identity crap pardon me then they go 0.94

01:19:54.140 home and they also have been indoctrinated to already reject their parents objections to this 0.56

01:20:01.460 so ah it's just really insidious and kids minds are very malleable and it does not take long at

01:20:09.440 all to mold them into believing this because they are steeped in a school system that preaches and

01:20:16.720 this and teaches you know you have to be kind and be encouraging and all that sort of stuff

01:20:21.640 so they all want to be kind and they all want to be encouraging and that's great but this is another

01:20:26.300 thing that these activists have succeeded in doing all these teachings are tied together with

01:20:32.840 anti-bullying and sexual orientation stuff and nobody wants to be against bullying obviously

01:20:38.720 no one wants to be against sexual orientation stuff and so no one dares to speak up about the

01:20:43.640 gender identity component of these lesson plans because then it just looks like oh you're against

01:20:47.960 bullying we're just nice and to be kind be loving but all along this whole process these kids are

01:20:55.060 getting indoctrinated it's like a psychological law and when you put kids who you know what it's

01:21:02.720 hard enough for an adult to come out on this and speak against it because they're all worried what

01:21:07.080 their friends and their family are going to think there's going to be such a bigot or they're going

01:21:10.140 to get fired what kid is going to speak out against this ideology when the entire school

01:21:15.900 the principal the vice principal all the teachers everyone everywhere is teaching that we have to be

01:21:20.340 on board with it they're not and so when i talk to these kids privately some of them especially

01:21:25.380 the boys they're not on board with this and they're glad i'm doing this but girls are a lot

01:21:29.520 more empathetic than boys in general of course these are all generalities but it's true and

01:21:34.540 girls all know girls who have transitioned or are transitioning socially or physically

01:21:40.580 and so they want to have nothing but empathy for their friends and that's a big reason why i get

01:21:49.560 so much hate from males especially on the street because they all know other females who've gone

01:21:55.220 through this so it looks like i'm hating on their friends but i'm doing the exact opposite i'm trying

01:22:01.060 to of course speak out against you know medical malpractice and be proactive for the next

01:22:08.900 generation of kids so they don't get drawn into this and it's my hope that i never hear

01:22:15.120 about any good things that have come about from my activism because that means that kids

01:22:22.640 and parents learned the truth before any of this harm ever happened so then none of this harm will

01:22:28.840 ever happen and i'll never hear a word and that's totally great by me that's all i want to achieve

01:22:34.380 is just achieve broader awareness so that parents can protect their kids and it's not complicated

01:22:40.920 guys all you have to do is have a conversation with someone to get this ball rolling and especially

01:22:47.400 with parents they will be interested because they have kids in school they're going to want to know

01:22:51.960 what's coming down the pipe because they need to protect their own kids and so yeah maybe be

01:22:58.280 tactical about it but we definitely need to have more conversations perhaps just as we close out

01:23:05.420 here chris uh maybe you can tell us again just how exactly we can support you in your work and uh

01:23:12.740 maybe even if somebody who's watching the program right now or listening to the podcast later

01:23:17.200 uh wants to invite you to their town their community or you know offer you a place to stay

01:23:22.740 especially during pandemic or cut down on hotel bills and that sort of thing how would how would

01:23:26.900 they you know get into contact with you to try and both stand in solidarity with you from afar

01:23:31.240 perhaps when you come to their community they can stand in solidarity with you there

01:23:34.980 so check out my website billboardchris.com there's a donate button on there they can donate

01:23:41.480 to help support my travels because it is really expensive and i'm not

01:23:45.140 really working much at all because i consider this my job now but whatever i'll be fine like

01:23:51.840 but if people can donate that's great it helps me to do more i have a whole lot of ideas that i can't

01:23:56.700 do because it takes funds but um that would be great um i do most of my campaigning on twitter

01:24:04.240 they'll find my twitter account on my website as well but that's where i usually state where i'm

01:24:09.060 going to be and so on saturday i'm flying in toronto i'll be posting my itinerary on twitter

01:24:15.660 again i'll put it up on my website too but if people want to come and stand with me when i'm

01:24:19.900 in their town that'd be great because the more numbers we have the more impact it has

01:24:23.360 and if people just want to reach out to me and talk to me i'm always happy to talk to anybody

01:24:30.160 if they have questions my contact info my email and my phone number are public on my website

01:24:34.560 i'm not hiding at all and curious enough i'm not even getting any hate these days

01:24:39.760 because i guess i've blocked it all but um i've learned that it's really not that scary

01:24:46.560 to go public and do this stuff it might be in the beginning because there's the unknown

01:24:53.040 and the unknown is always fear it's always scary we're fearful of the unknown but uh

01:25:00.000 honestly guys it's really not that bad and if you're going to do one thing productive in your

01:25:03.440 life you might as well speak for the health of kids i don't mean to say one thing productive

01:25:09.440 but if you're going to step out of your comfort zone and do something it might as well be this

01:25:12.400 issue because as any parent would understand there's nothing more important than the health

01:25:16.560 and remember kids so yeah check out my website reach out to me donate all good whatever people

01:25:23.720 want to do um yeah absolutely perhaps is one other thing for me to bring up and maybe that's

01:25:32.160 a conversation for outside of this forum but i would also i don't know if you have any other

01:25:36.880 allies in your in your battle or other people who have been you know uh a listening ear and

01:25:41.880 broadcasting whatever else or people that you've consulted as experts who you know have not had

01:25:47.040 the chance to make a public statement but i would be happy to have them on the show to give them a

01:25:51.220 place to to make their point on what's happening here and how to protect our children okay i will

01:25:57.260 keep that in mind uh there are like sometimes i partner up with some organizations like in

01:26:02.000 in Montreal next Saturday or no next Friday that's the 11th yeah on the 11th

01:26:15.080 from 4 to 6 p.m. on St. Catherine Street in Montreal which is where I was 0.99

01:26:21.040 attacked by Antifa there's a feminist organization called PDF in Quebec a bunch 0.97

01:26:28.640 The women are coming out, hopefully with their husbands as well, because we need some protection. 0.89

01:26:35.080 And that'll be great because that's going to be a proper protest with some proper numbers out there and maybe some media will get involved.

01:26:42.100 And we're trying to get some police presence there as well.

01:26:45.160 But there are other organizations that I partner with from time to time.

01:26:48.900 But I'm pretty much a lone wolf doing this.

01:26:50.920 I don't work well with seeking group agreement or approved messaging.

01:26:56.100 i'm just doing my own thing and having conversations with people one person at a time

01:27:00.580 fair enough fair enough you're a one-man wolf pack that's great i'd like a wolf pack but you know

01:27:08.020 it's just the way it is i don't i'm kind of a spontaneous guy and i just kind of do whatever

01:27:13.540 i feel like on some days and so yeah i like to be flexible oh i totally understand that was it

01:27:20.980 that was a bad culture no i again we're just very thankful for you to be here chris and 0.77

01:27:28.820 and to explain all this to us because it is it's such a touchy topic but you talk about it with

01:27:33.300 such frankness but also clarity and you're not and you're not crass you deliver it well

01:27:38.260 and it's important for people to just hear it as it is to be heard this is killing our kids

01:27:43.940 it's sterilizing them it's robbing us of future generations and i guess as a final point on my

01:27:49.620 and speaking of conversations i mean yeah i was inspired by you i was inspired by you so i was in

01:27:54.460 a conversation with uh actually some future future in-laws not not my direct in-laws but you know the

01:27:59.760 the aunt and uncle sort of thing yeah i was in a conversation with them and uh and i tried to bring

01:28:05.940 this up as gently as i could you know there's this guy uh that they happen to be directly related to

01:28:10.860 a guy who i went to high school with graduated with and uh and i would never i would last guy

01:28:15.860 in the world i would have thought that now he's not a child obviously anymore like he's an adult

01:28:19.320 like he can make his own choices and whatever but but a lot of this seemed to be tied up in a sense

01:28:23.900 of depression and everything else it didn't seem to be tied up in a sense of expression but rather

01:28:28.880 a sense of retreat um and trying to safety and i i simply brought it as gently as i could that you

01:28:35.420 know one you know all the way back to the beginning of of well you know to two millennia ago there's

01:28:40.600 been arguments around the questions of gender and and for that matter what what's your true soul and

01:28:45.440 your true body and that sort of thing all the way to today and i that that people who have done it

01:28:50.400 often aren't necessarily happier later even if they're adults and they were fully consenting

01:28:54.620 when it happened i and i just brought that up as as gently as i could and everything else and it's

01:28:59.380 amazing that it is like a cult this was the point i had forgotten or i wanted to bring this earlier

01:29:04.160 up in our conversation but you're right it is like a cult because they just they were so married to

01:29:08.080 the idea they couldn't they couldn't even have a conversation about it they got extremely frustrated

01:29:13.700 they didn't curse at me or anything but they just clearly we weren't allowed to have this

01:29:18.520 conversation just because we weren't allowed to have it there was no and i i think that you're

01:29:23.440 right we have to have these conversations because that's one person but another person might be a

01:29:27.420 bit more receptive the next person might be looking for an answer and we can't allow this

01:29:31.920 to be swept under the rug if we don't have these conversations there will be no conversations

01:29:35.580 yes i'm really glad you brought a couple points there so the first point

01:29:41.220 is virtually all these children when they go on these drugs etc they all have comorbidities

01:29:51.540 they all have something else going on they have anxiety disorders depression a lot of

01:29:57.300 these kids have autism a lot of them have had trauma some of them have had sexual trauma

01:30:02.420 and the pornification of our culture is also not helpful because porn is so widespread now

01:30:11.100 and all these young watching it girls see it too and it makes sexuality look very unappealing 0.94

01:30:19.120 um and so there's various reasons a lot of these girls today are wanting to

01:30:25.140 kind of get out of their own skin and become a boy it seems a lot easier

01:30:28.500 but all these kids have comorbidities going on they all have depression going on they've got

01:30:34.180 something else and we don't treat it these these uh endocrinologists these nurses these doctors

01:30:41.900 at the children's hospitals at all these gender clinics they do nothing to find the source of this

01:30:48.840 dysphoria there is no other condition in this world where a child self-diagnosis has all these

01:30:57.720 other things going on and the doctors just go straight away with the child's diagnosis

01:31:01.880 yes jimmy you are a girl because you say you're a girl and now i'm going to block puberty and we 0.98

01:31:09.940 can cut off your testicles in a few months what what's the point of going to medical school if 0.99

01:31:14.760 all you do is affirm the child this is nuts but the second point you made there about conversations 0.99

01:31:22.640 how you might broach this subject with somebody and it immediately becomes heated

01:31:29.440 don't keep pushing you have to be strategic about these conversations so

01:31:35.840 the goal of that conversation with someone who really doesn't want to talk

01:31:39.320 is really just to plant a seed in their mind so it might be really effective to

01:31:43.340 say something like um i think gender non-conformity is a beautiful thing

01:31:50.900 totally fine and why does that mean that we need to sterilize children why does 1.00

01:31:58.340 that mean we need to put them on drugs why can't we just leave them be to be 1.00

01:32:02.840 gender non-conforming what's the problem and all that does is just get their head 0.99

01:32:12.140 thinking a little bit because this is a cult and there are there's already all 0.88

01:32:19.220 indoctrination done in their brain there's already all these you know neurological pathways formed

01:32:25.060 which are guiding them and um you have to undo that over time you can't do it all in one conversation

01:32:33.060 when someone is kind of a blank slate and they're open to learning then you can have a full

01:32:36.660 conversation about all these things but in a way we need to deprogram people first and that word

01:32:42.660 is a charged word because it's associated with deep programming people from religions and stuff

01:32:46.820 like that but they first need to figure out what they've been told is part of it is a lie

01:32:55.140 and they just need to get thinking about it so what you did with your future in-law there

01:33:03.140 is powerful because you at least started the conversation and you got things going in their

01:33:06.820 mind and i guarantee you when these people go home at night and in bed they're going to think

01:33:12.660 about these short conversations that they have and they might pull out their phone and google

01:33:17.060 something start learning something because rome isn't built in a day and you don't undo all these

01:33:22.740 lies that are in a person's head overnight so just do whatever you can use your brain try to get one

01:33:29.140 or two points driven home and just look at that and with people that are more open to this you

01:33:33.460 can have a full conversation and really get involved um no matter what even when people are

01:33:39.220 getting angry and getting all emotional it's still a successful conversation because you got them

01:33:44.100 and don't come at it from bigotry don't get involved emotionally don't react emotionally

01:33:48.820 yourself just say look i think gender non-conformity is fine and this isn't about gender issues

01:33:53.540 about health issues and why are hospitals and courts around the world like in the high court

01:34:01.460 we just had the high court in england in december say that children can't give informed consent to

01:34:05.460 to these puberty blockers and in sweden we just had i think it's the biggest hospital in sweden

01:34:09.940 that does this children they just stopped the process all together on their own and they said

01:34:15.220 they don't have any scientific studies there's no science at all to support the treatment pathway

01:34:24.100 that these children are going on so they stopped it for all kids 16 years of age and under and for

01:34:30.500 those who are 16 to 18 i think this hospital is called the keralinska hospital in sweden

01:34:36.260 all the kids that are 16 and 18 can only go on these drugs if they're part of an approved

01:34:42.740 clinical study which is really important i still don't agree with it at all at that age

01:34:48.420 but it's way better than what we've got because these kids will be properly screened it's not

01:34:54.020 going to be a child that just showed up with gender dysphoria last week who's now going into

01:34:58.020 this trial is going to be someone who has had sustained dysphoria throughout their life or for

01:35:04.980 years anyway they're not going to have comorbidities going on like other depression whatever that might

01:35:10.740 be causing this they're going to need to qualify for this trial and then they'll be closely monitored

01:35:16.500 whereas what we have now is just the wild west of medicine where without knowing anything about

01:35:21.380 these children they're getting injected and having their future lives irreparably harmed

01:35:29.540 so we are making progress in some areas and it's important to bring up things like that or even just

01:35:34.820 send these studies or send these articles to antagonistic people because people don't like

01:35:41.220 to be wrong most of them some do and those ones are the ones who thrive in life because they learn

01:35:46.420 but the ones that don't want to be wrong they need to be able to safe face and so it does no

01:35:52.900 good to argue with them vehemently but you might be able to plant a few seeds and send a few

01:35:57.540 articles and get them thinking and get them to come to these understandings on their own

01:36:00.840 it's like the socratic method of debate you ask questions people thinking you don't just tell

01:36:05.620 them what to think you ask them questions so that they can come to these conclusions on their own

01:36:09.360 no a very fair point a very fair point uh thank you so much again for joining us chris and uh we

01:36:17.640 do hope to see you again soon we'll see uh you know maybe later maybe later this month or into

01:36:21.940 july you can tell us about how some of your ventures have gone and uh again uh of course

01:36:27.380 we want everyone to support uh chris through billboard chris.com show uh show him uh that

01:36:33.640 you support him either through a donation or when he is coming to your area you can follow him on

01:36:37.920 twitter you'll know where he is go and stand with him and help have those conversations with people

01:36:42.680 convince people our children are worth protecting and that we can have a world where innocence

01:36:48.320 isn't just violated by everyone and everything thank you so much for having me nathan i'll come

01:36:54.360 on anytime i really appreciate you helping to boost this message i completely appreciate your

01:36:59.820 time thank you so much all right take care absolutely well we had chris elson on there

01:37:07.240 And we were just happy to be talking about what the transgender issue is in British Columbia and how it does directly connect to what's gone wrong in a lot of the BC curriculum, as well as the rest of Canada.

01:37:21.340 There are various laws coming forward, et cetera, that are going rather sideways.

01:37:25.720 He was talking about Bill C6, I believe, and that needs to be discussed in Parliament.

01:37:31.420 and you do need to email your mp and let him know uh or her know that uh that they need to protest

01:37:38.320 this while they can and vote against it if they can't we're actually going to have to do a quick

01:37:42.700 endorsement here and this is for i believe a coffee company that has been with us for a little

01:37:48.460 while this is our first endorsement on this show uh we haven't done a lot of commercial stuff here

01:37:53.300 and that's the resistance coffee company which i believe is there we go there it is yeah so the

01:37:58.560 resistance coffee company they've been uh sponsoring i think the western standard or you

01:38:03.800 know uh advertising with them for a few a few months now and uh we're thankful for their support

01:38:10.860 and of course if you're looking for coffee look for resistance coffee i must admit that i'm not

01:38:16.920 sure about its availability here in british clubia etc but i will get more on that when the script is

01:38:22.240 developed but i'm just thankful to have a sponsor for the show and that's resistance coffee it's

01:38:28.180 made here in Canada and do support local.

01:38:31.560 We need more of our dollars to stay on our shores.

01:38:34.760 So what I think if we're going to close out this show,

01:38:38.260 at least for the time being,

01:38:40.500 one of the things that kind of occurs to me

01:38:43.580 as we kind of traipse around some of these issues,

01:38:45.760 some of these very serious issues,

01:38:47.360 we started the day off with residential schools, 1.00

01:38:49.780 then we got into transgenderism.

01:38:51.560 If you talk about an intersectionality of getting cancelled,

01:38:55.240 tough, tough topics to talk about.

01:38:58.180 things that things that are going to get you in trouble uh i i think we found them

01:39:02.800 uh it ultimately you know one of the themes we visit on this show a lot is the idea of

01:39:09.840 of solidarity and people working together uh but but even more fundamental of that is that you know

01:39:16.780 you you you are the world you build right i mean how we act is the world right and the world that

01:39:22.700 we have uh right now is a rather inhuman place and it doesn't matter which way you're kind of

01:39:28.020 looking at it uh if you're looking at the cost of housing the inner you know the lack of availability

01:39:32.740 of family supporting jobs if you're looking at our political systems which seem completely

01:39:37.020 powerless being run by people who are unelected with an agenda while the people who are elected

01:39:41.960 also have an agenda that is effectively to give more of the unelected people power

01:39:46.400 uh if you're looking at the cost of of of just living in general or what's being taken off your

01:39:52.160 check when it comes to tax time let alone let alone how things are going in interpersonal

01:39:56.940 relationships people are getting more divided people are not able to have the conversations

01:40:01.340 they had last year or the year before that things are getting very politically charged

01:40:06.860 there's a lot there's a lot of disruption right down to families and i mean the pandemic has been

01:40:13.340 a great winnowing fork of this as well as i've said before on this show i was in a very small

01:40:17.980 community throughout the the highest days of the pandemic in 2020 i watched a community that

01:40:23.740 couldn't be divided by race, by culture, anything else. It couldn't be divided. It remained a small,

01:40:30.180 solid community. I saw the pandemic, the virus, the mask mandates. I saw that divide them and

01:40:38.500 have people not come to blows, but fight each other over the ways to properly protect themselves

01:40:44.560 or children or families and whether or not the virus was really that great of a threat.

01:40:48.660 So, I mean, we live in a very divisive time. And I think that kind of talking about these

01:40:53.280 tough topics, whether I get to have

01:40:55.320 a lovely guest

01:40:57.180 like Chris on to really explain some of these things

01:40:59.220 to us. Tomorrow we're going to have my buddy Aaron on.

01:41:01.160 He just got cancelled, actually. That's why we're having

01:41:03.220 him on tomorrow. Aaron Ekman's going to be

01:41:05.180 here to talk about the fact that he just

01:41:07.280 got fired via Twitter

01:41:08.800 from the UNBC board,

01:41:11.500 as to say the University of Northern British Columbia

01:41:13.200 board, as the board chair. He was

01:41:15.300 the chairman of that UNBC

01:41:17.280 board, and he has been

01:41:19.120 dismissed by the Minister of Advanced Education

01:41:21.020 being called all sorts of nasty things. We're going to bring

01:41:23.160 him onto the program tomorrow and let him give his side of the story um he went to the local

01:41:28.180 guys first year ckpg imprint storage and now he's going to come to us uh he's not interested in

01:41:33.200 talking with the big state media because of course they're just going to throw accusations at him

01:41:37.180 we're really interested to see what aaron has to say about being part finally a part of the

01:41:41.620 canceled a group of people but we have these tough topics for a reason the reason we have

01:41:47.640 these tough topics is again it's not just a question of finding solidarity finding people

01:41:51.620 who yeah we probably disagree on a lot of other issues but we can work together on this issue

01:41:55.660 it's more fundamental than that is again we are the world it is our actions that make up the world

01:42:01.880 and we aren't going to have a more human world if we don't act more humanely to one another right

01:42:08.520 and a fundamental part of this being able to have a conversation with somebody treat them like

01:42:13.380 another human being respect that you might have a difference of opinion but that both of you are

01:42:16.940 not neither of you is interested in the other person starving to death neither of you is

01:42:20.580 interested in you know the world falling apart and everything burning down you you want the world to

01:42:25.600 be a better place tomorrow than it was today and you want your children to grow up in a better

01:42:29.480 world than you had and and that's actually the kind of scary thing especially for people my age

01:42:34.640 you know i'm i'm 31 i belong to that transitional generation that that saw the wealth of the

01:42:42.140 previous two three generations and the benefits that they had the things that went really well

01:42:46.760 for them just not materialize for my generation in any sustainable way not in that perfect

01:42:52.720 compression of 20 30 or 40 years depending on where you're counting from after the war

01:42:57.340 of of just being able to afford a house raise a family etc on on a single income uh that was

01:43:04.080 pretty good uh you had a pretty good life uh in those years and my generation is living in the

01:43:09.800 kind of echoes of that but but everything is not quite lining up for us in the same way

01:43:14.540 And so I think that there's a place there where we have to look for a way to make a better world, to find a way to reach across the aisle.

01:43:26.100 When we're talking about the children that we want to protect here, there are children with legitimate questions around their sexual orientation and their gender identity.

01:43:35.480 And they are very confused.

01:43:37.600 And I started this show off by saying to you, I don't know what perfect manhood is.

01:43:42.440 this is an ongoing debate inside of my christian milieu to use aaron eckman's favorite way of

01:43:47.520 saying group of people or gestalt i i i i don't know what the perfect thing of that is or to say

01:43:55.980 really more directly maybe like i mean my religion has a model for that and that of course is my

01:44:00.060 savior um but but further to that uh you know and in motherhood i suppose his his his dear blessed

01:44:08.000 mother and we all love and adore but the point that i'm trying to draw here is that i i wrestle

01:44:12.540 with that as as as just a man trying to trying to be a better man how much more so a child in a more

01:44:19.260 confused time than even i was raised and that was confused enough compared to my parents and

01:44:22.860 grandparents in a more confused time trying to understand what it means to be a boy or a girl

01:44:27.160 and then becoming a young man and a young woman and so those conversations are where it starts if

01:44:32.740 you want that better world it starts with the conversations to build it right either we can

01:44:36.700 all dominate one another or we can use our free speech and our collaborative ability and

01:44:41.760 communicative ability to to create a more sustainable future and to make a world where

01:44:48.000 you know people feel at home and they feel safe and they're able to actually you know seek

01:44:55.320 prosperity to pursue happiness we want to use the american version or to have security the person

01:45:00.000 you want to use Canadian version. And without that, without that fundamental holding of one

01:45:06.860 another with a respect and dignity, for those of us who believe in that higher power, because

01:45:11.800 they're a child of God and created in his image, and for those who don't, because we are the only

01:45:16.400 species that is our species, and we are the only ones capable of doing what we can do, and we are

01:45:20.880 the only ones with completely free will, not that we don't have determinacy, just that we're not

01:45:24.700 animals, but not everything is instinct for us. So whether you want to come at it from a

01:45:29.880 materialist or a theological perspective there's there's a reason to hope and there's a reason to

01:45:36.280 be trying trying to save one another and save ourselves through through collaboration and

01:45:43.040 communication and that's the great danger and evil i think of what's happening right now with

01:45:47.080 anything it doesn't matter whether we're talking about corporatocracy or political correctness or 0.59

01:45:51.040 transgenderism that's that's not what matters what matters is that deep down inside it's coming 0.56

01:45:59.640 down to a lack of honesty and that's honest communication, right? Uh, we are living in an 0.99

01:46:06.360 empire of lies, you know, a BC bungalow isn't worth $450,000. I'm sorry. It's not, uh, and

01:46:15.340 neither, neither can a boy become a girl or a girl become a boy. That's a lie. And so in our empire 0.80

01:46:22.340 of lies in our, our, you know, we're all emperors with no clothes on, uh, accusing everybody else

01:46:28.460 of being the ones who are exposed and we're living in this time of lies and because it pays to lie

01:46:34.960 right it pays to massage the truth spin the news give give a fake accounting of things it pays

01:46:43.320 right to profit or to bear false witness against your neighbor right that was a commandment that

01:46:47.400 that we were not supposed to trespass but it's it profits right there's one thing to lie it's

01:46:52.040 another thing to profit by your lie right it's one thing to kind of borrow something without asking

01:46:56.220 or maybe on a more permanent basis.

01:46:58.280 It's not a thing to take something off of someone

01:47:00.660 and sell it at a profit.

01:47:02.640 And this is exactly it.

01:47:03.820 There's that difference.

01:47:05.300 There's that deep difference, right?

01:47:06.660 And we are living in a time of lies,

01:47:09.700 a time where the truth is outlawed

01:47:12.380 and lies are what's in the papers

01:47:15.380 or what's being talked about.

01:47:16.660 It's what's being promoted in our parliaments.

01:47:18.380 Lies are coming out of the mouths of politicians

01:47:20.180 who don't even know what they're saying, right? 1.00

01:47:22.900 There are more than two genders.

01:47:24.760 A boy can be a girl.

01:47:25.720 girl can be a boy it doesn't you know interest rates being infinitely low that can that can go

01:47:32.320 on forever because cheap debt never hurt anybody this is all like any history book could tell you

01:47:37.860 that i'm surrounded by history books down here we happen to move into a dear friend's place here

01:47:43.340 who also happens to be associated with an organization that we'll be talking more about

01:47:47.500 hopefully in the future when we get things sorted uh with with advertising that sort of thing but

01:47:52.680 But nonetheless, I'm sitting here in a college professor's basement.

01:47:57.500 It's full of history books.

01:47:58.600 And every single one of these books around me says in no uncertain terms, one, people

01:48:02.760 repeat history, probably because they don't read it.

01:48:05.400 Mark Twain, I think, said it doesn't often repeat exactly, but it often rhymes.

01:48:09.940 And further that, it explains in no uncertain terms that the way that we got to those tragic

01:48:13.940 moments, those terrible moments of the 20th century, the terrible moments throughout all

01:48:18.800 of human history where people did violence to one another in grotesque fashion and millions of

01:48:23.980 people died it all came back to the fact that we started telling lies and believing lies instead

01:48:29.120 of having open communication if you want a more human world you have to build a world where the

01:48:35.720 truth is what reigns supreme and that's why i have a great deal of respect for chris and for

01:48:40.820 lots of people we try to bring on the show who everybody we bring on the show because they give

01:48:44.600 us an honest opinion this is the no cancel zone this is the you say what you need to say zone

01:48:49.680 this is where as long as we can go on for we will bring on people who tell us the honest to goodness

01:48:54.980 truth and what we can do uh to improve our world we're actually going to end the show a little bit

01:49:01.080 earlier today i just want to bring you guys up to speed on a couple of things we are going to have

01:49:05.500 aaron ekman on tomorrow to talk about being canceled and what that means so we're going to

01:49:10.100 have him on he's going to be streamed in he's not going to be in studio we are now in a very narrow

01:49:13.380 space we don't have exactly a lot of room to put a second person here so we're going to try that a

01:49:17.080 different time uh and uh throughout the week we'll definitely go to Stuart Parker certainly at the

01:49:21.720 end of the week when we talk to him about what happened in Kamloops in the residential school

01:49:25.200 system I promise you there's going to be some controversial opinions especially for people who

01:49:28.880 are more right-wing on this uh viewership it's going to be tough but we're going to get through

01:49:33.500 it um nonetheless uh we're gonna we're gonna kind of close out here on that thought of telling the

01:49:38.880 truth tell the truth always speak the truth walk with integrity uh and do show solidarity with

01:49:44.080 those who do uh final point on my end again uh suggestions for guests now that we're in our new

01:49:49.380 space now that there's a little less stress please uh send me uh any questions comments concerns you

01:49:54.640 have about the show i can put up the email there just very briefly uh we do need we do need uh

01:50:01.220 people suggested for this show i just was talking with chris about that a minute or two ago

01:50:06.380 send me suggestions for the show people i can bring on to the show we need to line up some

01:50:11.140 more guests we need to get this a little bit tighter and figured out we've been at this for

01:50:14.260 eight and a bit weeks now we got to make things a little bit smoother we are running this a bit

01:50:18.620 on a shoestring and whatever trying to do this as best we can but we appreciate your comments

01:50:22.720 appreciate your uh your ideas and thank you so much for your viewership we are going to see you

01:50:27.500 tomorrow bright and early 9 a.m pacific 10 a.m mountain

01:50:36.380 Thank you.

Western Standard - June 02, 2021

Mountain Standard Time - June 1, 2021

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