Western Standard - Mountain Standard Time - June 23, 2021

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00:01:30.000 Good morning, and welcome to Mountain Standard Time. I'm your host, Nathan Gita, and today I'll

00:01:36.480 be speaking with Sam Cooper, the author of Willful Blindness and an investigative journalist who's

00:01:42.440 going to explain to us in no uncertain terms what's gone on in China infiltrating the West

00:01:48.140 with its money, its power, its influence, and its chicanery. Before we get into that, I just want 1.00

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00:02:29.140 here at home and abroad well we're going to go straight into our opening statement here

00:02:35.220 and we've got to remember a few things when it comes to dealing with china we must understand

00:02:39.860 that a very short time ago the center of the earth on all maps was when they were made in christendom

00:02:44.900 anyways was jerusalem and everything east of jerusalem was called the orient and that's how

00:02:49.780 in a sense we started calling uh the far east of asia the orient especially past the middle east

00:02:55.300 and it's interesting because that suited the people who lived there just fine because as far

00:02:59.140 as the ruling class of china was concerned for the last you know several thousand years until

00:03:03.220 basically the modern era they were rulers of all of earth and of all under heaven china's dominance 0.95

00:03:09.860 was asymmetrical to the west for many years it dates all the way back to roman times they really

00:03:14.980 liked exchanging cash uh for goods so they would give you a good and you would give them cash and

00:03:19.940 they weren't really interested in any of the goods you were selling so the europeans of course were

00:03:24.340 not happy about this when they started their exploration and they started a few skirmishes

00:03:28.500 from macau and hong kong that of course would have been the british there were other skirmishes as

00:03:31.940 well but finally of course there was the opiate crisis in the reverse direction so we have to

00:03:36.260 remember this is the second opiate crisis the original opiate crisis they used opium to break

00:03:42.740 into china's social structure the europeans did and the chinese government took exception to this

00:03:47.940 but it kind of capitulated until basically uh mao right finally what we're seeing today is kind of

00:03:54.240 a both of vengeance some natural ambition as well as a reordering of things back to the axis that

00:03:59.200 was always there that china is kind of on top and everybody else is below that doesn't make that a 0.62

00:04:04.600 good thing and perhaps there is a way to live better with this new behemoth that we call the

00:04:08.880 Chinese Communist Party and the, you know, near continent sized country that they rule. But the

00:04:15.120 point is that we're, we're in the midst of all these things. And it isn't it isn't a new thing.

00:04:20.360 There's a lot of historical undercurrents. And there's a lot of chicanery going on when it comes 1.00

00:04:24.780 to the new world. So we will now turn to our guests for more information. Let's hope that

00:04:30.020 we can make it out of this mess. I have Sam Cooper on the line with me via phone. So you'll

00:04:34.220 be listening to his audio sam cooper welcome to the program thanks very much for having me all

00:04:40.640 right well let's start from the top what inspired you to write willful blindness what tipped you off

00:04:45.460 what was the investigative moment that kind of told you hey you know what this needs to be

00:04:49.620 this needs to be investigated i would say that the the trigger moment really uh fit very well with

00:04:58.420 the the introduction you just gave that this really is a very historical arc

00:05:05.180 geopolitical story it's all about international trade in some ways it's

00:05:10.660 about how international trade intertwines with state competition for

00:05:17.180 supremacy hedge me and and I guess I can get back to that thought about what my

00:05:24.220 sources do see as an opium war in reverse or China perhaps learning the

00:05:31.300 lessons of the British Empire and and now thinking that the the shoe could be

00:05:36.100 on the other foot and you know fair play is returning the favor and sending

00:05:41.200 sending fentanyl west in the worst case I do know of some very smart analysts

00:05:46.120 that that that boil it down to that kind of conclusion what triggered me was you

00:05:52.740 You know, I explain in Willful Blindness that this book was really, in some ways, a retrospective

00:05:58.280 of the major themes that I jumped onto as, you know, an analytical reporter coming from

00:06:05.660 a history, philosophy, English background, wanting to be a law school student, but getting

00:06:10.600 into writing and journalism instead, but having that mindset that you look for big patterns,

00:06:16.480 you look at the history, and you try to see the big picture well, while you're looking

00:06:21.140 at what's in front of your face.

00:06:22.600 So as a student in Vancouver, I recognized what was going on in the downtown east side,

00:06:28.060 this open air drug market with thousands of addicts, unreal death totals, was just hard

00:06:33.620 to understand in Canada.

00:06:35.240 And then I started to look at real estate prices in Vancouver, also hard to understand.

00:06:40.320 There was an undercurrent where anyone close to the story or inside the industry knew that

00:06:45.720 offshore wealth from Hong Kong and China was a major factor in prices.

00:06:50.680 But it was very, you know, for some people, they wouldn't accept that.

00:06:55.440 It was hard to get data.

00:06:56.900 Eventually, my method was focusing on the major developers, the major new sort of landowners in the city.

00:07:05.520 And these would be people that I found were, you know, you couldn't understand how they exported their wealth into Vancouver.

00:07:13.660 But it was happening in floods.

00:07:15.920 And these players I found, some were corruption suspects or economic fugitives, some I eventually

00:07:24.480 learned were very connected to casino money laundering and what I learned to be underground

00:07:30.400 banking.

00:07:31.400 It came to be known as the Vancouver model.

00:07:33.740 And essentially that is, as you said in your intro, sort of an ancient system of exchange

00:07:40.360 where money doesn't pass borders through the, you know, at least on government radar, but

00:07:45.160 you have underground banks which are often connected through family members and in fact

00:07:50.320 in the Chinese system, you know, deep, we'll just call them criminal banks with links to 0.99

00:07:56.680 almost ancient triad societies that are very based on this same opium wealth that you talked

00:08:02.560 about going back to the opium wars and trade.

00:08:07.880 So what triggered me was when I understood the casino story in British Columbia, I got

00:08:13.300 a lot more visibility on the major gamblers. That would be the whale Baccarat players who

00:08:19.700 traveled from China and were funded by drug dealing loan sharks in Richmond, paid back their

00:08:26.640 loans in China to facilitate more drug exports coming into Canada's West Coast. And I found that

00:08:34.120 these Baccarat players essentially were very, some of them very connected to the Chinese state and

00:08:41.480 military. I later found in my book that these would be people associated with Chinese intelligence

00:08:48.820 or People's Liberation Army influence networks in Canada. And so when I found some of these people

00:08:56.440 connected to these massive illegal casino mansions in British Columbia, I had the evidence of major

00:09:03.720 caches of restricted or prohibited weapons in a compound, connections to the Chinese military.

00:09:09.880 that's what when i said there's this is blowing my mind as a pretty well-educated canadian i had

00:09:17.420 no idea of this it must be the case that 99.9 percent of canadians could have no idea therefore

00:09:23.720 they have to know the threat and i'm sure they'll be interested and so that's what put me on the

00:09:29.240 journey uh three years ago to to write this book and and i mean it's it's definitely been received

00:09:36.000 with great interests in a few quarters i'm sure it's also uh garnered concern or even anger in

00:09:42.320 some other quarters have you have you had to go into hiding have you have you kind of had to keep

00:09:47.840 an eye on your shoulder and see what's what's coming up next i haven't had to go into hiding

00:09:53.920 at all uh i've uh i there were times when you know i had some concerns when i was writing from

00:10:00.560 Vancouver right in the middle of what I learned was a central espionage hub and

00:10:07.160 central transnational criminal hub with with connections to China's ambitions

00:10:12.680 so that at times did make me a little nervous I I moved to Ottawa where I just

00:10:20.880 put it this way you know have good sources within military and intelligence

00:10:24.920 and law enforcement, and I don't have any concerns except for what is known as lawfare,

00:10:32.140 and that is a Chinese government strategy to suppress or silence critical reporting

00:10:41.040 of issues such as the genocide in Xinjiang, or how the Chinese state is involved in transnational

00:10:49.040 money laundering with gangsters, and uses gangsters to threaten and intimidate members

00:10:55.020 of diaspora in Canada that the Chinese government sees as quote-unquote overseas Chinese and

00:11:02.480 tries to leverage as, you know, to make people that in many cases escaped an authoritarian

00:11:10.040 regime.

00:11:11.040 China is trying to reach in and interfere in Canada and really all Western democracies 0.94

00:11:16.120 and try to make people just based on their ethnicity believe that they owe some allegiance

00:11:21.360 to Xi Jinping.

00:11:23.000 So do I have concerns in pointing out these uncomfortable truths?

00:11:28.580 Only on the legal side.

00:11:29.580 I don't want to be blocked up by, you know, a Chinese state operation to stop this reporting.

00:11:36.300 And so part of my message is to Canadian readers, listeners, even people in government and media

00:11:45.200 to recognize when some of these counter messages try to muddy the waters to recognize that

00:11:52.080 there are some very nefarious actors behind that disinformation and this is not my opinion

00:11:56.960 this is coming from intelligence reports and experts that i have access to so let's let's walk

00:12:03.440 through this a little bit you know it's it's interesting on this show we've talked a lot

00:12:07.360 about the affordability crisis we've talked a lot about the opiate crisis that we're facing

00:12:12.080 throughout north america and indeed the rest of the west and at least in certain quarters but

00:12:16.400 certainly here in british columbia as we watch house housing climb into astronomical rates for

00:12:22.880 things that even even the most ambitious realtor knows are completely ridiculous uh prices and

00:12:28.160 simultaneously we're seeing all sorts of calls for safe injection sites other people are not

00:12:33.280 happy with that but in general the point is that clearly there's something wrong with the supply

00:12:37.360 and people people are dying all that evidence is there why is no why why is no one in leadership

00:12:44.140 talking about the malfeasance of china what why won't they face facts when it comes to what's

00:12:48.960 going on uh from from the chinese mainland i think there's two major factors one would be fear

00:12:56.660 for our political representatives and really business leaders they see what has happened

00:13:04.540 to Australia, who has really, out of necessity, taken the lead in the West, and even perhaps

00:13:11.100 the Five Eyes, in strong countermeasures against China's infiltration.

00:13:18.380 And as we know, the response is a type of asymmetrical or even some would say hybrid

00:13:27.180 warfare response, where Australia will be the focus of massive and broad cyberattacks

00:13:34.100 from China. When Australia goes public and responds to China's aggression, Australia's 0.73

00:13:41.800 political system will be attacked with United Front activity. And of course, for the business

00:13:49.040 and trade lobby, they don't like to see when whole subsets of Australia's economy face

00:13:56.080 massive sanctions, such as wine or grains. That would be a major factor that stops Canada from

00:14:05.860 doing something like saying, let's put this in the opium war context. What if leaders in the

00:14:14.240 West said, actually, we won't let any more ships come into harbour unless they're fully searched

00:14:19.920 top to bottom, you know, out at sea? Or what if we find a ship that comes in with, let's say,

00:14:26.240 100 kilograms of fentanyl precursors and dumps that safely somewhere? That would be seen by

00:14:34.820 China as a warlike response. Some would say that's the position we're in. You would need those kind 1.00

00:14:41.220 of sort of powerful countermeasures, that being sanctions against the Chinese trade or massive

00:14:48.020 searches of ships coming in to counter this war-like death total of opium

00:14:54.260 overdoses and it's difficult thing to do the second factor would be that my

00:15:00.700 sources would say elite capture that is some very well connected and powerful

00:15:07.260 members of sort of business and political elites especially in Ottawa and

00:15:11.660 Montreal have been captured through trade relationships through private

00:15:17.300 business arrangements between rich people in montreal and ottawa and rich people in beijing

00:15:24.100 and that would be a form of corruption that some would say is inhibiting canadian governments from

00:15:29.860 taking you know a very strong response to i think what's becoming clear in terms of china's nefarious 0.98

00:15:36.660 intents in some areas in canada it's interesting because china being on the radar of the common man

00:15:43.780 uh the average voter uh joe citizen walking down the street is actually and and perhaps it's it's

00:15:50.260 not something anybody wants to hear or say depending on their their proclivities or how

00:15:54.340 much they like or dislike the former president but really in a sense it was trump's rhetoric

00:15:59.060 coming out of the 2015 nomination into 2016 in the campaign and then his successful uh

00:16:04.900 successful election to the white house he he was the one who kept saying that china china china

00:16:10.180 it was we need to do something about china and until then most most political leaders were not

00:16:14.900 saying anything and since then it does seem that some citizens some some people at you know the

00:16:20.420 civil level might say something but but still leadership is almost almost completely silent on

00:16:26.020 the nefarious activities of china for if nothing else was was trump's influence positive in that

00:16:31.620 way or or it didn't change nothing

00:16:36.340 it's a super interesting question i would agree that trump's rhetoric

00:16:41.860 moved the dial in some ways uh but really the the reality is that

00:16:46.900 trump's rhetoric was only sort of publicizing what had already

00:16:51.700 been the position of uh the national security

00:16:55.780 community in the united states the political community

00:16:59.540 uh maybe maybe more so uh well the military certainly but it really was a bipartisan issue

00:17:07.140 in the united states that's not to say there's there's huge capture in in u.s politics the same

00:17:13.860 way there is in canadian politics from chinese interference through business elites but it

00:17:19.700 really there was a bipartisan understanding even before uh trump started banging the table on china

00:17:26.420 in a more, and this makes sense, you know, in a more diplomatic and perhaps a bit more

00:17:33.140 intelligent way, Obama was making the same points, but behind closed doors.

00:17:39.040 Certainly, Obama didn't take the strong countermeasures and the banging of the table

00:17:45.220 that Trump did. He was going in that direction, maybe too slowly. But yes, Trump did move the

00:17:50.080 style. Some would argue that his rhetoric really for a while put the American society, at least

00:18:00.220 half of it, on its back foot because they say this is coming from Trump. It can't be true.

00:18:05.380 So now that we have President Biden clearly moving in the same direction, really, let's

00:18:11.240 understand this. If you want to use the word deep state or simply institutional movement in the

00:18:17.560 United States was already moving away from China and realizing that the strategy of the past 30 0.91

00:18:25.260 years, that the West will engage China in trade and moderate China to be more like the West,

00:18:31.880 open and free and living by the rule of law. The opposite happened, unfortunately. China has 0.99

00:18:38.500 moderated the West to a position where people look at the response to the pandemic and think

00:18:44.600 maybe we need to be much more authoritarian because China has seemed to come out of this 0.80

00:18:49.980 disaster, you know, in some ways in a better shape. But in a Canadian context, I would say that

00:18:56.520 certainly some people were listening to Trump, but I think more important in Canada was the

00:19:01.920 hostage taking of the two Michaels in response to the Meng Wanzhou arrest. I believe that if you

00:19:08.360 want to say that the common woman and man looked at that and suddenly it became very clear that

00:19:13.600 Here's a state that has no compunction with any activity, really, if they don't get their way or if they think that Canada does something that they don't like.

00:19:27.860 And, you know, once that happens, then people, perhaps it's very interesting.

00:19:32.460 Now we have, you know, more reporting on the genocide in Xinjiang.

00:19:36.920 What if people started to pay attention to the reality that organ harvesting of minorities and religious groups in China is real? 0.93

00:19:45.860 This is not, you know, some Falun Gong poster.

00:19:48.280 uh so i do think that popular understanding of the nature the true nature of the chinese state

00:19:55.660 has moved uh way beyond uh in canada to a political response that you might expect with

00:20:03.160 that level of popular understanding and and to that end we have that popular understanding but

00:20:10.080 if at least some of america's elites as much as many of them are still happy to make money

00:20:14.460 in china and and through their dealings with china i mean the biden administration being

00:20:18.440 no exception obviously uh his son uh very closely tied to certain elements of the of the chinese

00:20:24.520 money system and how it moves around the world but nonetheless outside of that if at least the

00:20:29.680 united states is is slumbering towards a kind of kind of reconciliation there and to finally kind

00:20:35.920 of assert itself it seems like canada is nowhere near it economic nationalism in canada has just

00:20:41.040 not been a a key plank of any party for a long time even the harper conservatives didn't do a

00:20:47.840 good job of articulating it and again there doesn't seem to be this strong rhetoric in canada

00:20:52.840 anywhere in any leadership about we must do something about china i i think there's been

00:20:58.040 an allusion to it from erin o'toole once or twice before that uh again harper harper was strong

00:21:04.840 against Putin, but he made several trips to China. Where is that ardor in the Canadian

00:21:11.060 political sphere? Or are all of our politicians bullied or bought into basically the Beijing

00:21:16.940 realm of influence? In the United States, the interesting fact here is that members of what

00:21:26.480 we'll call the pro-Huawei or pro-Beijing political and business elite in Eastern Canada openly were

00:21:33.780 saying and messaging that we're waiting for President Trump to lose. We're waiting for

00:21:39.260 Biden to come in. And at that point, we hope or even believe that the U.S. will soften its stance

00:21:46.940 on barring Huawei or Chinese tech companies, which anyone that's watching closely knows are

00:21:54.620 military and intelligence linked. That's the Western intelligence. The opposite happened.

00:21:59.060 Biden kept going in the same direction and just last week took further measures that any Chinese military-linked companies, U.S. investors will be barred from dealing with them.

00:22:11.280 So the state in the United States has moved to, as you say, economic naturalism or national security has come to the forefront where there's a realization that supply chains need, you know, they need to be based in North America.

00:22:29.700 Nothing has made that more clear than the pandemic and PPE drainage that went to China.

00:22:36.620 And your point about where's that rhetoric or even that high-level strategic thinking

00:22:43.900 in Canada, I do think you're right that Canadian leaders that have tried to put out that message

00:22:50.100 so far have not seen it get any traction too easily.

00:22:55.760 It's rejected as somehow populist or somehow discordant with political attitudes in Canada.

00:23:04.400 And it's difficult to understand because maybe what you mentioned about the Canadian common

00:23:09.940 voters starting to understand the nature of the Chinese state and its plans for Canada,

00:23:16.980 it hasn't yet moved to that more strategic level of thinking where if you have those

00:23:22.400 thoughts, you need to start to consider that Canada needs to start looking at the Arctic.

00:23:28.740 Canada needs to secure its resources, rare earths.

00:23:32.880 needs to produce its own ppe should there be another disaster and it'll be interesting with

00:23:39.120 the coming federal election if that sort of strategic thinking and message makes it to the

00:23:44.800 top or you know how these campaigns go it might get rolled out in week one and and then get consumed

00:23:50.960 by um some distraction about culture wars and never come up again so i'll be interested to

00:23:56.160 watch that i'll be interested to watch that as well again just for our listenership and our

00:24:01.760 viewers we're speaking with sam cooper author of willful blindness how a network of narcos tycoons

00:24:08.400 and ccp agents infiltrated the west uh for those who are viewing uh here it is and that's the cover 0.57

00:24:14.160 of the book i do purchase it where you can get it the the question becomes in my mind though if if

00:24:20.960 canada can't articulate a non a non chinese orientation and think about itself hey we could 0.93

00:24:29.360 we could try and do something without the cpp you know basically or sorry ccp uh deciding deciding

00:24:36.720 which way we're going to vote on this or influencing our elections or influencing uh our resources and

00:24:42.800 trying to and causing sewing division inside of inside of our political sphere if that if that 1.00

00:24:48.560 rhetoric doesn't come to the fore sam it it does seem in many respects like canada well it would

00:24:54.640 the complaint was always we were a vassal state of the americans that was the complaint to the 60s

00:24:59.280 70s and 80s now ever since the cold war ended you know there's kind of a more even footing

00:25:05.360 through the free trade system though i have my own complaints about that but now into the 21st century

00:25:09.600 it's very clear canada is beholden to its to to the communist party in china and and what and what

00:25:17.440 it can do to us economically very quickly if we don't do exactly what they say with our coal

00:25:22.400 shipments and with are allowing them to buy into real estate what is there a path out what what

00:25:28.320 would that look like if if our political leaders actually grew a backbone on this issue first of

00:25:34.720 all i i totally agree with your historical analysis that if you want to call it the laurentian elite

00:25:40.400 the you know this describes group of uh business leaders politicians and lawyers

00:25:47.120 you know in ottawa and montreal and quebec city uh if they they're clearly there was

00:25:54.560 you know an a movement around the trudeau senior that the united states is has has much to say in

00:26:02.560 canadian affairs canada should start to start to grow a backbone and assert its own way in the

00:26:08.720 world as naive as that may have been with the understanding that north america militarily

00:26:15.840 can't be separated um they there was sort of a an intellectual or business movement that

00:26:22.560 by trading with china we get some leverage i'm using we thinking uh you know their voice and

00:26:29.760 and canada grows into a full-grown nation and and can ask for more at the table uh at these

00:26:36.240 international meetings but as we've said or as i said that the opposite of what was hoped

00:26:43.280 you know it was happening in washington too of course uh even with nixon and kissinger what was

00:26:49.200 hoped the engagement of china would make them more democratic the opposite has happened and

00:26:54.320 the west has had to has had to swing and and realize that our our principal foundations our

00:27:01.520 freedoms are being used against us geopolitically by a state that won't budge because if you think

00:27:07.520 about it, the Chinese Communist Party cannot budge at all because its survival depends on

00:27:14.400 the most extreme form of authoritarianism. So it's not going to happen what was hoped

00:27:19.200 with Trudeau Sr. And yes, what would it look like for Canada to realize that was wrong,

00:27:26.960 it failed? I do think there's an understanding in Ottawa that a pivot, if not underway,

00:27:34.160 has to occur and really the the only way that it could occur is first realizing that as much as

00:27:40.800 you'd have to admit that united states is the leader of the free world australia has already

00:27:45.840 recognized that their security and freedom and sovereignty depends on that that sort of compact

00:27:52.400 and canada would have to move in the same direction and say if we rely if we have to rely

00:27:58.240 less on trade with China. If this direction we've been going is the wrong one, simply it means

00:28:04.660 building up more trade, increasing trade with people of a like mind in Europe and Australia,

00:28:11.040 New Zealand that are going in the direction of forming even deeper and stronger trade and

00:28:17.700 military alliances and just realizing it in some ways it is a zero-sum game because in China's 0.97

00:28:25.660 mind. It's a zero sum game. You're either with them or against them. And Canada would have to

00:28:30.600 actively decide, well, it's going to have to be against. And that means building up and going

00:28:35.680 the same direction that Australia has already started leading. Yes, yes. It's always kind of

00:28:41.760 bizarre. It seems like we're always in Orwell's brain at some point during the day, depending on

00:28:46.760 who's talking or what's being preached from various pulpits. But I guess it is Oceania for 0.71

00:28:51.820 the win hopefully here against the far east perhaps nonetheless uh i think i think in this

00:28:57.740 in this moment it's something that we need to talk about then is the pandemic and what happened

00:29:02.380 with the virus and everything that ensued um you know you come into 2019 end of 2019 beginning of

00:29:08.780 2020 the american economy is soaring in ways it hasn't since basically the 1960s certainly the

00:29:15.180 the Reagan revolution of the 80s. You have record low unemployment. You have people seriously

00:29:22.720 wondering how President Trump could ever be knocked off his re-election bid. His poll numbers

00:29:29.460 were strong. The Democratic contenders look completely disorganized. And finally, of course,

00:29:34.400 the world in general, things finally look like they might be looking up since 2008, since the

00:29:39.760 great crash and and uh and the great recession suddenly a virus appears and it and it infiltrates

00:29:47.840 everything it it scares you know people to no end it shuts down economies it causes entire changes

00:29:56.200 in lifestyle in a matter of seconds in a way that even the great even the great wars didn't

00:30:01.860 what what happened here without without trying to impute even motive necessarily or to

00:30:07.480 theorize in any kind of conspiratorial way, though I give you free reign to say there, Sam.

00:30:13.280 What happened, and how did all of that strategy come together,

00:30:19.500 and how did China benefit from what was either a very well-placed mistake,

00:30:25.180 or whatever did happen, they definitely knew how to move faster than we did

00:30:29.200 and take advantage of the situation better than we did.

00:30:33.080 Right, without looking at any questions about origins,

00:30:36.600 it is clear. What do we have here? It's undisputed based on the evidence now that

00:30:44.620 the virus was moving in Wuhan in southern China much earlier than China admitted. We know that

00:30:54.800 Western nations, Trump's nation included, were suckered. There were people in intelligence

00:31:03.600 that were warning you need to be ready, something big is coming.

00:31:08.240 And I'm sure it's not easy to move fast and move first,

00:31:12.260 but the West was too trusting of what the party was saying in Beijing.

00:31:18.640 And so we know that the virus was out and moving months earlier

00:31:23.040 than China would admit it.

00:31:26.080 We know that China gathered PPE around the world, 0.99

00:31:29.060 using its network around the world,

00:31:31.480 panic buying ensued the west again was on its back foot even agreeing in canada and the united

00:31:39.300 states to send massive you know warehouse level shipments of ppe to china all the while china 0.66

00:31:46.420 knowing china having asymmetric information advantage that something very serious is spreading 0.99

00:31:53.120 worldwide. We know that

00:31:56.200 open source research, we can see clearly that

00:32:00.400 China was not restricting flights out of

00:32:04.220 its borders, and yet it was restricting flights within

00:32:08.000 China and acting to contain the virus. So that

00:32:12.200 raises a lot of concerns of what's known at high levels in

00:32:15.640 China's government, and why did they not share that information

00:32:19.860 with their Western counterparts, moving to the lab or the wet market,

00:32:27.420 certainly, as you know and as your listeners and viewers know,

00:32:31.380 the debate has moved because what was said in intelligence circles

00:32:35.980 probably from very near the start, that there could be a strong possibility

00:32:41.500 this is a lab accident in Wuhan, is now becoming a more publicly acceptable idea

00:32:47.760 that probably for good public health reasons

00:32:51.620 was somewhat discouraged for a long time in Western media,

00:32:56.460 but now it's okay to say that whether 50-50 chance or not,

00:33:01.420 there need to be very serious investigations

00:33:03.980 into what happened in Wuhan

00:33:05.520 because there's no denying that China has covered up,

00:33:10.700 has not shared its information on viral samples.

00:33:15.500 And every day when you watch in certain quarters online,

00:33:20.160 scientists are turning up more evidence that it looks more and more plausible

00:33:25.560 that it could have been a lab accident.

00:33:28.140 And so I guess the question is, if it was a lab accident,

00:33:32.660 then what kind of high-level scenario modeling and, if you will,

00:33:39.860 war game type thinking happens in Beijing

00:33:42.180 if they knew that something accidental had happened,

00:33:46.160 how they're going to respond politically

00:33:47.860 and in international information flow,

00:33:51.100 what happened in China,

00:33:52.180 and what impact did that have

00:33:54.200 on how the pandemic spread around the world.

00:33:57.180 I guess we'd be remiss if we didn't say,

00:34:00.520 you know, more concerning information

00:34:03.480 is coming out of this Winnipeg lab investigation scenario

00:34:07.720 where we have a researcher who was fired finally

00:34:11.580 and clearly very linked to Chinese military scientists for years.

00:34:17.780 Clearly, there's no denying the evidence.

00:34:20.660 Her own Dr. Chu's own records say, I have these records, the redacted ones.

00:34:26.360 Every time she rationalizes to her bosses in Canada, public health,

00:34:30.660 that I need to go over to China or the Wuhan lab,

00:34:33.880 she's saying I'm there to help them build their capacity around handling dangerous pathogens.

00:34:39.640 And furthermore, she says, it's important for me to study potential bioterror sort of scenarios.

00:34:48.700 So when you put that together with my knowledge of open source records that show that Dr.

00:34:54.080 Chu co-researched with high-level Chinese army scientists that are flagged for the areas

00:35:01.940 they work in and the institutes in northern China they work in are the highest risk on

00:35:07.000 CSIS and sort of CIA Australian intelligence lists and databases, that all looks like a

00:35:14.640 potential situation in Winnipeg. And so, of course, as the plausibility of a Wuhan lab leak

00:35:22.760 scenario rises, then you have to look at Winnipeg and Canada's involvement with co-research in China

00:35:30.380 as well. And this is where things really do get kind of, well, I mean, they're scary to begin

00:35:37.560 with. I mean, nobody likes seeing housing prices skyrocket. Nobody likes seeing the opium deaths

00:35:43.880 increase in in canada and the opiate crisis go on but but where where this gets kind of into the

00:35:49.880 realm of conspiracy not conspiracy but like conspiratorial behavior or a calumny i guess

00:35:57.880 is the word i'm looking for is that indeed you know we we trust we trust our experts for a reason

00:36:03.020 and we understand that our experts particularly in science go and work in labs all over the world

00:36:07.920 where they they share research they spend time with one another we we give them this allotment

00:36:12.440 because we fundamentally believe that they are past politics, past partisanship,

00:36:17.660 and past, even in a sense, fundamental loyalty to any kind of agenda that might be wrong for the average person.

00:36:24.620 These people are here to just do the research.

00:36:27.680 They're just here to do the math.

00:36:29.100 They're not interested in any kind of overt political activity.

00:36:32.280 They just want to help increase knowledge on some subject.

00:36:36.820 And when you find out that some of these people are actually actors and state apparatchiks,

00:36:43.920 indeed deeply involved in intelligence operations,

00:36:47.500 one has to sit there and wonder, where does it stop? Where does it end?

00:36:51.920 We talked about a travel ban for lots of other things.

00:36:55.180 Maybe we need to tell our own university professors to come home

00:36:58.280 and not practice in other labs around the world

00:37:00.560 and tell other people who are practicing in labs here,

00:37:02.980 I'm sorry, but you're being sent home. Your visa is revoked.

00:37:05.940 And this is what you've said raises the thought in my mind that if we look at it broadly, this question falls into, you know, the whole terms of engagement of the West with China was based on this idea that our concepts like democracy, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, academic freedom would in some way be reciprocated all the while.

00:37:32.400 And I say this not as my opinion, but direct quotes from people I've interviewed, such as former CSIS director Ward Elcock, China has a mass collection vacuum strategy and has for decades where that doesn't mean that every scientist that travels from China into Canada will be used or will be an actor in China's scheme.

00:37:57.500 What it means with China's sort of military-civilian fusion concept is

00:38:03.640 anyone could be directed from China or pressured in Canada,

00:38:12.480 and it'll be up to that individual to sort of run from that system

00:38:16.520 where they're asked to collect from China.

00:38:19.100 So it's a position where Western academics will say,

00:38:25.200 well I have academic freedom and this is about sharing for a vaccine to protect all of humankind

00:38:32.120 you know this kind of research and I do think we're in the position where it's not what I think

00:38:39.220 it's what my conversations with intelligence you know experts or people that are actually

00:38:44.980 inside intelligence say they have to tell people in Canadian universities you can talk about

00:38:51.980 academic freedom, but if you're on the other end of sharing something that comes back to harm

00:38:56.760 your society, maybe even your family, how are you going to feel about that? Maybe you need to change

00:39:02.160 or shift your understanding of what academic freedom means if the people you're working with

00:39:08.000 are coming from a whole different mindset, which is collection to benefit the Chinese People's 0.98

00:39:14.620 Liberation Army. And that, you know, this comes from documents. This is not guessing at what

00:39:20.520 China's up to. This is what they're up to. I think that something that needs to be 1.00

00:39:26.260 clarified here as well is that when it comes to this question of what happened out of Wuhan,

00:39:33.500 and when it comes to the question of what happened through what we're calling the pandemic,

00:39:38.580 one of the things that became very clear is that authoritarian measures could come into play in

00:39:44.620 the West very quickly. And while we weren't prepared at the beginning, we eventually,

00:39:50.500 whatever we caught up with in the end, we've seen people prosecuted, jailed. We've seen freedom of

00:39:57.880 speech curtailed. We've seen liberties eliminated or drastically reduced. And kind of a total word

00:40:06.580 salad come out of leadership everywhere, expert or not, whether we're talking about provincial

00:40:11.460 health officers, premiers, prime ministers, national health officers. Of course, we know that

00:40:17.840 out of the World Health Organization, they were shilling for the Communist Party of China

00:40:23.660 at the beginning. They're shilling for them now. They're still covering for what happened and how

00:40:28.940 much the Chinese government knew as the pandemic began. Again, it all creates a great amount of 1.00

00:40:35.980 doubt in the system, but there seems to be an irony there because whether you want to believe

00:40:40.420 what the communist party was doing or not they got what they wanted in the end there couldn't be

00:40:46.180 probably more division in the west and more mistrust between joe citizen and his his uh the

00:40:53.060 experts that he has supposedly elected to rule him or have been selected by the elected to rule

00:40:58.100 uh he there couldn't be more division do you think china gained uh out of this this situation

00:41:04.420 whatever wherever the virus came from that they definitely made large gains here

00:41:10.420 It's a fluid situation, geopolitics, but clearly what occurred, even if this is a

00:41:17.380 natural accident, even if it was purely, you know, let's assume even at high levels in

00:41:26.240 China's government, everything was accidental in the first few months.

00:41:31.760 There was nothing intentional even in covering this up, which, let's be clear, that's not

00:41:37.800 the case.

00:41:38.800 The evidence is very clear.

00:41:40.040 was covered up. So as the pandemic moves across the world, it is clear that China, Russia as well,

00:41:51.480 we know that Iran was in the mix, start to move into disinformation operations. And obviously, 0.53

00:41:58.760 they are trying to gain because people, this language of the West versus China, Russia,

00:42:06.120 Iran may seem jarring, may seem like Cold War language, but CSIS's current director has come

00:42:13.320 out and said, we haven't seen espionage-like activity, cyber attacks, disinformation,

00:42:21.640 like we've seen in Canada since the Cold War. So make no mistake, there's something like an

00:42:26.760 asymmetrical sort of hybrid geopolitical conflict going on. It's not kinetic war, but China has

00:42:35.960 thought to gain and we what's the factoid here look the fbi came out last summer and said that

00:42:41.960 china has used transnational cyber hackers and gangs to hack into western institutions doing 0.96

00:42:49.640 coronavirus vaccine research so there's your there's your unrefutable point whatever happened

00:42:55.640 accidental or not uh china was seeking to gain the west as as the west scrambled for a vaccine

00:43:03.720 to protect, China was seeking to steal that information.

00:43:08.680 Now, it kind of sounds like, in a sense,

00:43:11.500 there's almost a very Machiavellian genius-level strategy

00:43:14.940 at work inside of the CCP,

00:43:17.640 where they really do try to get you coming or going,

00:43:20.800 and there isn't anything that's going to stop their thoughts on this.

00:43:27.440 Let's pivot a little bit here into the treatment of their own population,

00:43:31.360 let alone how they shut down Wuhan, letting flights continue out of Wuhan to the rest of the world.

00:43:36.940 They shut it down within China. That became very clear.

00:43:39.500 That was known from day one, but nobody reported on it.

00:43:42.720 And the other thing that kind of comes to mind is, again, the Uyghur genocide and the organs being harvested

00:43:49.740 and all the rest of it in the way that they're subjugating their own population,

00:43:54.420 the attacks on Hong Kong and trying to essentially force Hong Kong into the same system as the rest of China,

00:44:00.960 which was kind of the only bastion of kind of a quasi-democracy inside of China.

00:44:05.900 The brutality of the regime is kind of a thing to behold.

00:44:11.000 It's something that I think even the tyrants of the 20th century,

00:44:14.680 bloodthirsty as they were, and covered in the evil deeds that they committed,

00:44:21.860 even they might be shocked or ashamed of the flagrant disregard for human life

00:44:28.040 that seems to come out of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:44:30.960 Well, the genocide in Xinjiang proves that point.

00:44:35.780 And I think people that I talk to, you know, experts on geopolitics and intelligence would

00:44:40.860 say a lot of Western leaders say, well, the China of Xi Jinping is not the China that

00:44:48.000 we thought we were engaging with in, you know, the early 2000s or the 1990s.

00:44:54.760 In fact, it was the same.

00:44:57.000 China, you only had to read the five-year plans going all the way back to see that there 0.68

00:45:02.360 was no plan to sort of engage in some happy, you know, movement towards democracy with

00:45:08.540 the West.

00:45:09.540 It was always that China was seeking to be hegemon, you know, communists with Chinese 0.98

00:45:16.000 state characteristics.

00:45:19.020 But what has changed is that it seems that with this, you know, new cult-like leader

00:45:26.260 figure, Xi Jinping, for the past, you know, since 2012, he has felt the confidence or maybe even

00:45:33.680 the personal need to advance China to its goals that it might have seen in 2100 or 2050 to reach

00:45:43.920 them as fast as possible. Some would say even he has a lot of hidden, you know, opposition within

00:45:52.280 China from tycoons or political rivals that believe that he's being too brazen and will

00:45:59.080 trigger, you know, has triggered such a strong reaction bilateral, bipartisan in the United

00:46:05.240 States.

00:46:06.080 So what has changed is that, yes, the level of brazenness and the openness about China's 0.74

00:46:13.340 intentions are now clear for anyone to see and for Canadians to understand with the two

00:46:18.540 michael's uh in jail and and essentially in sort of torture conditions but that was always the

00:46:25.440 direction going back decades it's just a lot easier to see now and i i feel like we canadians

00:46:32.220 you know we can be as outraged as we want to be but but the first step to any any kind of uh

00:46:37.020 intelligent recovery on some of these counts is to admit when you've been wrong or admit when you

00:46:41.160 missed something and it and it appears that we did so we missed we missed this we should have

00:46:46.260 done better we should have known what was coming and in a way we have to do a mea culpa on our own

00:46:50.840 first before throwing blame anywhere else because because we're still not admitting to ourselves and

00:46:56.740 being honest even about our own leadership and their lack of leadership in this area so so if

00:47:02.620 canadians wanted to have a kind of kind of you know come to reality moment and and a moment of

00:47:09.520 clarity here and be honest with themselves and say you know what we've made mistakes we've gotten

00:47:14.480 into bed you know we've gotten into bed with the devil you know we have we have we've shook hands

00:47:18.940 with the devil and made and made a deal that we shouldn't have how do we get out of this what what

00:47:23.840 do you think that would look like in a popular sense what would what would people on the ground

00:47:28.300 floor be doing to try and eventually influence the people who make the decisions to make different

00:47:33.540 decisions on a popular level it would take you know the the grain lobby in in saskatchewan or

00:47:42.200 just being the average farmer and his family up in Prince George, or people that realize that

00:47:50.520 their standard of living in some ways, due to the policy decisions in Ottawa

00:47:58.200 of the past decade, does rely on trade with China. But they would have to say,

00:48:05.580 first of all, that they would have to recognize that it hasn't gone the way that their leaders

00:48:11.800 would have liked. And they would have to go to their leaders and say, you have to seek other

00:48:18.520 trading relationships and realize that that will mean a straight up reduction like Australia has 0.96

00:48:25.720 experienced and maybe some pain. You might not even know how it turns out. The quality of life

00:48:32.460 could perhaps even be better in terms of your local economies in some areas. But would there

00:48:39.760 be a realization that China's plans for Canada mean that if you don't make that change and have

00:48:46.280 that realization, literally in 10, 20 years, if China gets its way, they will have a lot of 0.84

00:48:53.920 politicians at high levels in any political body in Canada. That's their goal. They don't want

00:49:01.560 parliamentarians in Ottawa to stand up and vote that there was a genocide in Xinjiang or to put

00:49:07.500 the Olympics in doubt. They want politicians at all levels that are saying and singing China's 0.94

00:49:15.340 line. So it would take the realization, first, we've discussed that it seems that the common

00:49:20.360 voter is not happy with Canada's direction and engagement with China. They want some sort of

00:49:26.460 change. They might have to realize that there'll have to be some belt tightening and some hard 0.92

00:49:31.280 decisions. And they would have to tell their politicians, we realize that and we're ready for

00:49:36.440 that. So that's sort of putting together, you know, what those family dinner table conversations

00:49:42.220 and understandings with the geopolitics that is out of, you know, there's a misalignment we're

00:49:49.360 talking about between what Canada's leaders are doing and how the average person feels about

00:49:54.680 being bullied at really at all levels by China. And indeed, indeed, all levels by China. It's 0.77

00:50:03.420 interesting because of course there is uh there there are of course sister cities at the municipal

00:50:08.540 level uh there are exchange students in our universities of course there are exchange

00:50:13.600 scientists uh exchange uh faculty across the world uh there are endowments that suddenly come

00:50:19.980 into some research departments there are uh provinces you know i mean we we the the western

00:50:26.340 province western most province and on the coast have the most direct relationship with china via

00:50:31.560 the pacific ocean but there are there are other ways that that happens and of course you mentioned

00:50:35.740 grain shipment of course all the way to ottawa and then finally at the international level there are

00:50:40.540 indeed relationships with china because either either you're getting your money from china or

00:50:44.920 you're getting it from america and you have and so you have to kind of line up on one side of the

00:50:49.100 aisle or the other and uh and castigating the united states whatever whatever their faults

00:50:53.840 casking the united states is very uh very popular these days um one thing that's being mentioned i

00:51:00.000 actually have a comment stream here uh sam so one of the things that's being mentioned here is the

00:51:04.440 belts to roads program so kind of the point being of course that that there are with all that money

00:51:10.400 that china is harvesting from the west they're using it to buy influence not just in the west 0.97

00:51:15.040 but also into the third world so classically of course we think of the way that sort of the western

00:51:21.000 world was attempting to defeat communism and also keep keep its resource uh and logistical lines

00:51:26.940 alive, it did investment in third world countries to try and make sure that whatever regime was

00:51:32.440 there, usually not democratic, would be friendly to the West. And the exchange was that they would

00:51:38.960 send various aid packages into that country and help keep that population better fed,

00:51:45.700 better medicated. Obviously, China's following the same policy with more logistics, building roads

00:51:52.100 in africa building i think even hydroelectric dams in various parts of the world what what

00:51:58.820 does the west need to look out for there if china has all this money they can effectively 0.94

00:52:04.100 start to invest in in places around the world and and really indeed by their influence by pouring

00:52:09.780 concrete yeah you know your your viewers are very astute the belton road is is obviously as you

00:52:17.860 framed it. It's sort of, again, this ironic reversal of British imperialism. China learned

00:52:25.600 where they failed, and they're trying to swing it back to the other foot. They're aiming for,

00:52:30.560 they've already captured a lot of the soft spots. These would be sort of third world countries with 1.00

00:52:35.620 dictators that can so easily be corrupted with kickbacks and bribes on those major infrastructure

00:52:41.840 projects. And I would swing it back to my book. One thing I talk about is how I had to make the

00:52:51.260 mental leap. I eventually got to the place where I had evidence that the Chinese Communist Party

00:52:56.300 was using its tycoons. It was using transnational gangs. It was using community leaders in foreign

00:53:04.720 countries like canada all together in this big sort of business above ground and underground

00:53:13.280 economy that involves money laundering and the belton road is right at the center of that plan

00:53:19.680 the u.s state department sees the belton road as a massive vector of the highest level trade

00:53:25.360 money laundering espionage activity that is you know when you're pitching belton road projects

00:53:31.680 Of course, there's agents that are trying to corrupt the Western or already some of these third world dictators, gathering intelligence from them. 0.65

00:53:42.780 So China likes to have a lot of lines of strategy going in any activity they're involved in.

00:53:47.860 And the Belt and Road makes a perfect hub of economic infiltration.

00:53:52.740 And I would say two points here.

00:53:54.320 My story got into this whole China economic sort of espionage angle through casino money laundering.

00:54:01.680 And one of the best cases involves a Macau casino tycoon who was indicted by the FBI for using 20 million or odd casino wire transfers from the east into the United States, but really using some of that money for bribing United Nations officials in New York.

00:54:22.440 That case had so many elements that taught me a lot, including that Belt and Road-type infrastructure projects and high-tech networks in Caribbean countries were all part of that scheme, where you have gangsters working with People's Liberation Army intelligence to sort of try to corrupt whatever the highest level is in the country that they're dealing with.

00:54:47.540 And so let me finish by saying, what's the one Belt and Road, big Belt and Road project approved in North America?

00:54:56.200 You guessed it.

00:54:57.020 It's in the Surrey area just outside Vancouver, a massive project that really got its birth when former Premier Christy Clark and her ministers were traveling over to Guangdong and Hong Kong and bargaining with Chinese officials for a sort of Belt and Road trade deal.

00:55:16.700 It eventually came to fruition under the NDP government to boot.

00:55:22.020 So it just shows you that at a deep business level, BC is, you could look at it if you're a positive business person, a leader in trade with China and North America, or if you're a security intelligence person, BC is the weak spot of infiltration through things like Belt and Road, casino money laundering, opioid overdose tragedies.

00:55:46.700 You know, this litany that you're making there, it's just mind-boggling.

00:55:54.040 I'm going to use this moment again to plug your book for you.

00:55:56.860 Again, I'm speaking with Sam Cooper, author of Willful Blindness,

00:56:00.060 How a Network of Narcos, Tycoons, and CCP Agents Infiltrated the West. 0.84

00:56:04.960 That's the cover of it for those who are on viewership.

00:56:07.380 For those who are listening, that was the title with a foreword by Charles Burton.

00:56:12.420 I think that something that hits me here is that if this is so blatant,

00:56:17.880 it's interesting because when I started asking you these questions, Sam, earlier,

00:56:21.280 one of the first questions I asked you was,

00:56:23.420 have you had to kind of look over your shoulder or whatever else?

00:56:26.040 But the way that you're listing this, it kind of sounds like they're laughing at it.

00:56:28.900 It's kind of like, oh, look, someone finally caught us, but it's too late now.

00:56:33.300 And they can kind of twirl their mustache and laugh maniacally.

00:56:37.240 Do you think China's concerned at all that the West might change direction on this?

00:56:42.640 Do you think that any of the Chinese leadership of the CCP party thinks that for a moment that the West is capable of reversing course on this?

00:56:52.660 Or do they think they already have it in hand?

00:56:56.500 It's a good question.

00:56:57.620 I can say that before my book came out and in the weeks after, it appears, and I'm not the only one that thinks so, that sort of the A-team of influencers or pro-Beijing academics or media personalities or even politicians has, it almost seems that there was some level of realization that this book had some popular reach

00:57:24.760 and was not dumbing things down, but telling things in an engaging way, trying to show.

00:57:33.600 As I say, I knew what our intelligence and criminal intelligence has known for years in Canada,

00:57:41.460 and I wanted to try to translate that for the Canadian public and through my own journey of discovery,

00:57:47.920 not being trained in intelligence or law enforcement, but being sort of a legally minded and curious history buff.

00:57:55.860 I discovered this with my own eyes. I got the documents.

00:57:59.480 And I do think I can say there are some people that believe that a sort of,

00:58:04.920 I write about a counterattack to my stories in the book, and there does seem to be messaging countering the book now.

00:58:13.780 Does China think they already have it, one, in Canada?

00:58:16.780 I can say this, that the frightening message for people listening today is that there are people in very credible sources say that if Canada were not part of the, you know, if not for the five eyes, Canada would be fully compromised now by China.

00:58:38.360 So we're talking about people that, very smart people, talking about concepts like state hollowing or state capture.

00:58:46.280 And again, that might sound, you know, out of left field, but certainly China wants vassal states, and it wants to split up the five I's.

00:58:55.300 Previously, their focus had been New Zealand.

00:58:57.520 You can read this in thesis reports.

00:59:00.000 New Zealand appeared to be the weakest link.

00:59:02.380 But the people I talked to, these would be people in Australia, Canada, United States.

00:59:08.360 are shaking their heads in the intelligence community that Canada does appear to be very weak.

00:59:14.200 So it's an open question where to from now.

00:59:17.020 This is sort of being come up in a lot of our back and forth here.

00:59:20.540 What do Canada's leaders in Ottawa do now?

00:59:23.680 Is the rot too deep?

00:59:25.580 As someone that knows Vancouver, I can tell you a lot of people do look at some of, you know,

00:59:32.680 the economic infiltration the opioid death totals the money laundering and and say this this is a

00:59:40.840 deep rot that something big needs to change in canada something deep does need to change and

00:59:46.360 something big it's it's a it's but it's been a problem in canada for four generations at this

00:59:52.100 point when it comes to a lack of vision for the country hopefully hopefully that's what changes

00:59:57.320 And in a sense, these desperate straits might be the thing that make it change.

01:00:01.820 I'm 31.

01:00:03.260 My generation cannot pay the difference in housing that was there

01:00:07.880 between what boomers got to grow up with,

01:00:10.740 even what Gen Xers got to scrape by with in some of the harder times,

01:00:14.040 and even some of us early millennials that got into the market

01:00:17.000 maybe before 2008 if we were lucky enough.

01:00:19.840 But the rest of my generation and the generations after me

01:00:23.180 are not going to be able to afford the lifestyle their parents had,

01:00:25.640 And they're not going to take that lying down.

01:00:27.620 I think that just repeats itself over and over again.

01:00:30.860 As the cost of living goes up and the chance of living goes down,

01:00:33.940 people are going to get quite frustrated.

01:00:35.980 Hopefully that turns into the kind of political action that's constructive

01:00:39.400 and reasserts Canadian sovereignty.

01:00:43.220 Well, I see this type of commentary across.

01:00:48.000 The interesting thing about social media is you get a sense of people's

01:00:52.220 political background or leanings, and I can honestly say that the real estate issue for

01:00:58.740 millennials and the realization that surprise offshore wealth and criminality does have an

01:01:06.260 impact in cities like Vancouver and Toronto, and this is a non-political, non-partisan issue for

01:01:13.360 millennials, realizing that there's a lot to answer for from the older, especially the decision

01:01:19.880 makers in ottawa that not realizing what impacts turning a blind eye to this huge underground

01:01:26.120 banking and and dirty money would have on real estate prices and i see people that are not fans

01:01:31.640 of uh of aaron o'toole or doug ford at the same time slamming the trudeau government or or adam

01:01:38.760 vaughn and saying what are you dealing what are you doing on this offshore wealth and what it's

01:01:42.600 doing to my uh my hopes of ever even buying a small condo in toronto so i think you're right

01:01:48.200 that it it's an issue where i've heard it from others that after reading my book or starting to

01:01:53.720 follow my reporting it's completely non-partisan the whole motivation was this realization that

01:01:59.640 in many ways the people's republic of china more specifically and correctly the chinese

01:02:06.280 communist party is the greatest threat to canadian security uh and public safety and

01:02:12.680 that is a non-political issue it's just a fact with that fact um just just some thoughts on the

01:02:19.960 book itself and and and kind of where you hope to go through from here uh you the book's been out

01:02:25.580 now for how long sam we launched i believe around may 20th so about a month and honestly uh i myself

01:02:37.520 I let me let me just be honest and even a little self-serving it took three years to write I had

01:02:45.440 known over a decade ago that I I needed to write a book and this it was going in this direction and

01:02:52.220 I knew that I had captured a lot I didn't I knew I'd put everything into it and perfected as much

01:02:59.520 as i could i was proud of what i what i handed in and it has uh it has caught popular attention

01:03:07.440 it has reached you know from three to even one in amazon.ca sales charts to the extent where uh

01:03:15.840 the print product is pretty much sold out they have to get the presses running again

01:03:20.320 so uh i've been blown away it's five star reviews across the board i'm humbled that uh such a

01:03:27.600 let's be honest the findings are controversial because they're new and they're advanced but

01:03:34.160 they're so well supported i invite all rigorous reviews but from everyone that's reading it again

01:03:40.540 non-politically across the board it's almost 100 you know positive so i just want to you know keep

01:03:49.120 keep going with this book that there could be other projects related to this specific book

01:03:55.100 And I hope to write books in the future.

01:03:57.640 They may not all be on this threat, but I do think they'll be about sort of the interests of Canada

01:04:04.540 and also understanding how underground economies affect everyday people.

01:04:09.760 Because I grew up, as I say in the book, sort of believing and understanding Canada was a country,

01:04:16.820 an upright country of the rule of law.

01:04:19.080 And I came to find that in many ways my education had let me down

01:04:24.600 because there were sections of rot that had to be exposed.

01:04:28.480 No, absolutely.

01:04:29.460 I mean, and indeed that is the opening lines of our Constitution, isn't it?

01:04:33.420 The supremacy of God and the rule of law.

01:04:35.780 We hope to return to those vows,

01:04:39.940 especially since that is the only way to make an equitable and just society

01:04:44.380 for everyone here in Canada,

01:04:46.360 which is what's promised when you come to the new world

01:04:48.380 and certainly what's promised when Canada puts its best foot forward.

01:04:52.720 I want to say thank you so much for speaking to us today.

01:04:56.540 If the printed copies are sold out, I guess people have to turn to the digital copy?

01:05:02.840 Right now they can find the digital copies from Google, Amazon, Kindle, Kobo.

01:05:10.120 I do know that there are still printed copies in retail locations,

01:05:14.820 and I'm pretty sure you can get a copy if you wait long enough on services like Amazon.

01:05:22.620 I've seen maybe a little bit of price inflation in some cases that I'm not happy about,

01:05:27.600 but I do understand that the presses are going to be running soon.

01:05:32.080 So if you can't get a handle on a print copy, I really hope you do for that summer read,

01:05:38.580 but put a pre-order in and the publisher is Optimum International.

01:05:43.800 send them an email or a note that you want to copy and I'm sure the press will

01:05:49.980 be running and there'll be more coming out soon. Thank you so much for giving us

01:05:55.140 some of your time today and again I just really appreciate you being on the

01:05:58.920 program Sam. Thanks it's been a great conversation. Absolutely I hope to speak

01:06:03.800 to you again soon hopefully before the summer's over we'll get an update from

01:06:07.200 you on how things are going. Sure thanks. Thank you again I was speaking with Sam

01:06:13.780 cooper the author of willful blindness how a network of narcos tycoons and ccp agents infiltrated 0.79

01:06:21.060 the west there is a picture of it right there if you're on our viewership if you are listening it

01:06:27.740 is a red cover with a map of the world and what looks like little well opiate the percocet sort

01:06:34.500 of single line through a pill sort of thing and of course the chinese five stars on there as well

01:06:41.180 So that's why I believe he said Optimum Press. Just let me double check that one. Yep. Optimum Publishing International. And it's currently sold out. Currently sold out. So that's that's for you there, Sue. You wanted to know what the book's name was. And there we are.

01:06:57.860 so that was a lot i think it was good it was really good i don't i'm not uh disagreeing with

01:07:05.340 any of it it's uh it's an incredibly uh harrowing kind of discussion though because essentially what

01:07:10.860 what you know i mean he's he's a reporter he's an investigative journalist and he's going to stick

01:07:14.900 with the facts right and you got to be careful about interpreting motive i'm a pundit so that's

01:07:18.840 all i do is interpret motive or impute motive that's what i do i mean there are moments where

01:07:23.020 i can kind of try and give somebody the benefit though but i mean you know that's not nobody wants

01:07:27.240 that i mean i guess it's it's it's good tv right for me to kind of impute motive on everybody and

01:07:32.000 read into things in a ridiculous way but but let's be clear here i don't think it's a ridiculous 0.59

01:07:36.460 thing to say that the chinese communist party uh is clearly hell-bent on world domination and and 0.92

01:07:44.900 in a way that quite frankly is is brutally inhuman uh even by their standards uh even by the standards

01:07:52.240 of tyranny that occurred in the 20th century it's it's incredible really because i mean what we went

01:07:58.480 over uh through the course of that discussion was well was no less than let's see oh we talked about

01:08:06.400 the slave camps a little bit we didn't talk about them all a ton but we did talk about what's going

01:08:10.720 on in zhizhang and and the uyghur genocide and the slave camps and the organ harvesting that's

01:08:16.400 happening because of course it's both the uyghur muslims and the falun gone in fact they really 1.00

01:08:20.960 like harvesting organs from Falun Gong 0.61

01:08:23.000 because the Falun Gong have very

01:08:25.000 strict dietary observations

01:08:27.180 so they're usually very healthy people

01:08:28.960 so they make for great organ harvesting

01:08:30.860 it's, it's, no, I know

01:08:32.940 that sounds maybe very terrible and a terrible

01:08:35.020 not even, even a sarcastic comment

01:08:36.980 on that still sounds far too

01:08:38.860 dark, but that's the truth of the

01:08:41.100 matter, the truth of the matter is that

01:08:42.820 the Chinese Communist Party and

01:08:45.020 their tyranny in their own continent, let alone

01:08:46.980 around the rest of the world, is

01:08:48.720 is indeed harvesting people's organs and using them in a cash-for-organ system

01:08:54.560 where you can book an appointment and quickly get an organ installed in you

01:09:00.060 that's been failing on you.

01:09:02.460 So there's that. There's that aspect.

01:09:04.940 There's also, of course, the aspect of what's going on in Hong Kong.

01:09:08.040 Hong Kong, a formerly democratic place, ruled by the British

01:09:11.760 up until, I believe, the handover was in 95, 97, sometime in the 90s.

01:09:17.520 And, of course, the promise was that Hong Kong would always remain basically in its kind of now cultural persuasion after being under British rule for a century, which was a semi-parliamentary system for Hong Kong, certainly a democratic system.

01:09:29.900 And yes, it was just one little island, and it was just, it was a large population base, obviously, on that little island, but it was one little place.

01:09:37.460 And it was supposed that, you know, even the Chinese Communist Party could endure Hong Kong, given how much money it made them to, because Hong Kong was still a hub of trade, and still is today, and is a very important part of the Chinese economic system.

01:09:53.600 So you'd think that they would have paid their piper and called the tune, but no, that wasn't enough for China. And now, of course, subjugation of Hong Kong and turning it into just another part of the rest of China, extinguishing any of freedom's light in Hong Kong, that was their mission, the mainland Chinese Communist Party's mission. 0.93

01:10:16.300 and they and they did so they have it's as far as i know hong kong is essentially under an iron

01:10:21.020 fist it hasn't changed since the beginning of the pandemic which is when suddenly uh the virus

01:10:26.400 appeared and so i i think a lot of this is is all tied together and then finally of course we get

01:10:32.120 into what sam was talking about specifically with reference to the actual money laundering and

01:10:39.240 everything else that goes on so china again it i i want to take this from the top a little bit

01:10:44.080 Actually, we have some comments here that's interesting.

01:10:48.840 Sheldon, there's Sheldon Jones.

01:10:50.640 Their wish for domination has never changed.

01:10:53.040 I'm gobsmacked on governments.

01:10:54.100 I believe that they would not leverage themselves.

01:10:57.300 No, I completely agree.

01:10:59.440 I completely agree.

01:11:00.700 But let's go back over a kind of historical sort of analysis of what's going on here.

01:11:05.220 So once upon a time, there was this thing called the Orient, right?

01:11:09.820 And we need to remember that up until only 500 years ago or so, you couldn't get things from the Orient without walking there or having it being walked to you.

01:11:19.200 So that made it really expensive.

01:11:20.600 And we have to remember that all the way back to the Crusades, right, that's when the Western world, that is to say, Europe and Christendom, some Eastern Orthodoxy as well through Russia and through Greece and through Constantinople, but a great deal of it into the West.

01:11:37.700 When the Crusades happen, all of a sudden the Crusaders march all the way to the Holy Land.

01:11:43.340 And when they get to the Holy Land, they're experiencing things they've never experienced before.

01:11:46.640 And, of course, the way that we always round that up is to just say spices.

01:11:50.120 But whether we're talking about the silks that were coming from the East

01:11:52.720 and all the particular things that were happening in the Middle East that were different from the West,

01:11:58.120 the diversity of food, the diversity of garments, and kind of the wealth.

01:12:03.620 Because if you live in a naturally hot place, you get to kind of use your leisure a little bit easier.

01:12:09.620 And so the leisure of the Middle East, or at least of their courtiers, were developing these things, made all the wealth of the West look rather paltry. 0.97

01:12:19.320 So the crusaders got a hunger for this.

01:12:21.720 Obviously, they kept going back on crusade to kind of gather more treasures and whatever else they could get a hold of.

01:12:27.220 It didn't go on.

01:12:29.240 And obviously the Holy Land went back to being under, eventually, Turkish rule,

01:12:34.280 which, of course, the Turks are a mix between the Mongolian sweep that happened out of Mongolia,

01:12:41.360 where they took over about three quarters of the known planet's surface at that point,

01:12:46.080 and the known world's surface, the old world.

01:12:48.820 And they eventually, as they mixed with different cultures,

01:12:53.200 they eventually developed different cultures.

01:12:54.620 Part of what's in India today is descended from the Mongolian sweep, same with parts of China.

01:12:59.240 throughout much of Central Asia, especially, and then, of course, into the Middle East.

01:13:03.180 And so, especially Turkey, of course, the Turks are not Arabs, right? 0.93

01:13:07.020 The Turks are a different ethnicity.

01:13:09.060 And so, eventually, the Turks take over Asia Minor, which used to be Byzantium, 0.82

01:13:13.040 and then, of course, they take over Constantinople,

01:13:15.040 because they build gigantic cannons that are able to actually puncture the wall,

01:13:19.300 and they break through the wall, and they eventually take Constantinople,

01:13:22.280 which, in 1453, is the last living part of the Old Roman Empire.

01:13:27.760 So in one way or another, it's arguable that the Roman Empire in its various, well, the Roman legacy and the classical ancient world lived for almost 2,000 years on planet Earth, from somewhere around 500 BC all the way to about 15, just before 1500, well, 1450 CE, so in the Christian era.

01:13:50.720 So the point is that that's what the world is up until basically, you know, Europe before 1500, right?

01:13:58.860 So that's the world before 1500.

01:14:00.820 You can't get to India or China by sea because nobody knows how to do it.

01:14:05.840 Nobody builds ships that are big enough.

01:14:08.060 And then the land route gets cut off after Constantinople is conquered.

01:14:13.340 So now you get the age of exploration, right?

01:14:16.480 And so science breaks off and modernity happens, the Reformation happens, and ethics and what you ought to do and what you can do are completely decoupled, thanks to Machiavelli, thanks to Francis Bacon, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

01:14:29.140 And finally, you have, of course, the Age of Exploration.

01:14:33.220 So Holland, Portugal, Spain, and England, as well as France, of course, because we call Quebec New France for a reason, they all begin to send out ships and explorers and start to plant flags all over the New World, all over Africa, and eventually they get around Africa to India, and eventually they get around India and all the way to China.

01:14:52.180 And so now you have sea routes to China and the Orient. You have sea routes into the West Indies, into the East Indies. You have sea routes all the way to Australia eventually. People discover where Australia is. I wonder what the person who discovered Australia thought later when he, well, I don't know if he figured it out, but you have to think, you know, it's, they didn't know they had stumbled into a continent.

01:15:11.940 Everything else in Oceania isn't like that, right?

01:15:14.520 It's just tiny little islands, and then you stumble across a continent-sized thing,

01:15:18.160 and you're like, ah, well, I mean, I've got this island, I'm planting this flag here,

01:15:21.760 but I wonder how big this thing is.

01:15:23.260 And later you find out that you've discovered something, you know, the size of Brazil.

01:15:27.980 It's pretty amazing.

01:15:29.100 But the point is that after the Age of Exploration,

01:15:33.360 we have this moment where the British want to break into China.

01:15:36.720 And as I said in my opening statement,

01:15:38.520 we need to understand that china always took the cash and sold items and they never wanted to pay 0.86

01:15:47.060 back they never there was never any method of exchange they preferred to just store up cash

01:15:51.540 they didn't want because and this was actually a problem for rome and and for other civilizations

01:15:56.060 that ever traded with china because the problem was they could actually have to get into an

01:15:59.060 inflationary state with their money because they didn't have enough gold because they would send

01:16:03.860 china gold and then it'd be like well do you have anything that we have that we can exchange for our

01:16:07.400 gold back like that's how the economy works right you sell an item for a medium of exchange which

01:16:14.000 is money and the medium of exchange is always worth more than the item you paid for because

01:16:18.800 the medium of exchange can be used for anything right i can use a thousand dollars to help pay

01:16:23.100 for a sawmill i can use a thousand dollars to buy jubes but i can't use jubes to buy sawmills

01:16:27.540 so the point is that or unless that person makes a very specific deal but money's worth more because

01:16:33.060 they could use the money I gave them to go buy fuel or to go do go on a trip or to just throw it

01:16:37.920 in their bank account you can't put jubes in a bank account the point is that the gold that was

01:16:43.040 being exchanged for Rome eventually Rome was running out of gold as they kept shipping it

01:16:48.000 to China and the same with every other empire that or and civilization that ever dealt with China and

01:16:53.240 the Orient you kept sending them your money and they sent you the item the items you were paying

01:16:58.060 for back but they never sent any money back to pay for items from you and so you got into this

01:17:02.400 very asymmetrical situation where you're running out of gold you have to keep mining gold to pay

01:17:07.400 for things that you want from china but you can't you can't ever get china to buy things from you

01:17:12.520 for the most part so the problem is that the british uh come around the come around the bend

01:17:18.700 here they've they've basically uh taking taken over india or or most of the way of india we have

01:17:23.920 to remember actually the first people got into india were the portuguese that's why there's uh

01:17:27.640 in southern india there's actually a huge catholic population but the point is that

01:17:31.360 But they get around the subcontinent, they zip around Indochina, as it would later be called, French Indochina, now called Vietnam, Laos, and everything else.

01:17:41.260 Sheldon's like, hmm, jube-jubes.

01:17:42.800 Everybody loves jube-jubes.

01:17:44.880 Yes, we do.

01:17:46.140 I was grasping for an analogy there.

01:17:48.480 So we had jube-jubes were what was on the menu.

01:17:51.600 And the point is that we get to China, and now the British Empire is there, and they want to trade with China.

01:17:58.260 But the problem with China is that once again, they'll sell you all the tea in the world, but they won't sell back.

01:18:05.300 They won't give you back money and buy things from you.

01:18:08.180 So Britain had textiles to sell China, but why would they buy them?

01:18:10.940 They have a 5,000-year-old civilization that knows how to make clothes.

01:18:15.160 They don't need textiles from Britain, which at that time, it's kind of a reverse of today's situation.

01:18:20.520 All of our stuff is made in China.

01:18:21.740 We have to remember at one point, everything was made in the developed world. 0.91

01:18:25.200 The developed world was where your clothes were made and all manufactured goods were made.

01:18:30.600 And so at this point, you know, it's the British who have all the textiles, all the clothes. 0.98

01:18:35.240 Instead of saying made in Bangladesh, it says made in Britain, made in Scotland, usually.

01:18:40.280 Not that they labeled it that way.

01:18:42.000 But the point is that they want China to trade with them.

01:18:46.180 And we have to remember trade involves both money and goods and services.

01:18:50.780 It doesn't, you can't just give away money and get goods and services.

01:18:55.600 You're eventually going to run out of money, right?

01:18:59.400 And that's actually called, yeah, I mean, Brian's got a point here.

01:19:03.020 It's called insularity.

01:19:04.140 I think it's also called mercantilism.

01:19:06.000 We all remember being told about mercantilism when we were in, we were in, I don't know,

01:19:12.700 it's grade eight or nine that social studies lesson is in.

01:19:15.600 But the point is this. China didn't want to play ball on this because they didn't need anything.

01:19:21.820 They were a self-sufficient civilization that was happy to take people's cash and didn't need to worry about buying items from their countries.

01:19:29.740 So Britain broke into China and essentially broke the will of the Chinese people to a point. 0.91

01:19:36.240 It certainly made a dent into their political machinations because they began to ship opium from what would have been, of course, parts of Afghanistan.

01:19:46.280 Afghanistan still figures very largely into opium today, but especially India and the poppy fields of Pakistan.

01:19:52.760 And so they would make the opium, and they would ship it, smuggle it into China, and then the Chinese population would become very addicted to opium, and there were a lot of problems.

01:20:07.760 Opium dens were a crime in many respects.

01:20:12.280 They were, well, I mean, they are a crime.

01:20:13.720 It's terrible to enslave people to any kind of substance.

01:20:17.480 But the British had done this. 0.99

01:20:19.380 And so they essentially broke the political wall,

01:20:23.640 broke down the Great Sea Wall of China,

01:20:26.600 the wall against having, and the will,

01:20:30.120 against having any kind of British manufactured goods sold to them

01:20:34.040 and just taking British money.

01:20:36.000 eventually the colonial powers got their way and China had to open up for business not much

01:20:42.520 different than the gunboat diplomacy that took place between America and Japan at the end of

01:20:48.160 the 19th century where of course Americans showed up with their gunboats on the very insular shores

01:20:54.120 of Japan and essentially said you're trading with us and that's final and the Japanese said 0.77

01:20:59.700 i guess so yes so we have to remember that it's not as if there isn't any historical context of

01:21:07.680 this and it is not as if one day somebody sitting around at a brainstorming table in in the chinese

01:21:13.680 communist party a bunch of you know a bunch of freshman students or a bunch of a bunch of sophomores

01:21:18.740 who are interns of the communist party who are all sent into a room with a whiteboard uh and told to

01:21:24.660 come up with like the 10 ways to defeat the west suddenly came up with this idea there's a

01:21:29.400 historical background to the selling of drugs into a country in order to break its political

01:21:37.080 solidarity and to create division so that that has a place to begin uh and what happened from there

01:21:44.420 uh what happened from there of course is is all history now so the chinese have learned their 1.00

01:21:50.960 lesson which is that if you use uh narcotics and other other substances to infiltrate to to

01:21:58.320 addict another person's population you you can get really far with that little trick

01:22:03.840 and then the next thing that you can do is of course influence their political regime by buying

01:22:10.000 them off which is another thing that the colonial powers did do to china and to other places right

01:22:14.640 this is not new um we we have to be honest about colonialism and imperialism there was a time

01:22:21.360 where you know every european nation developed european nation had its influence around the world

01:22:26.720 And they did it through military might and through superior manufacturing, textiles, consumer goods, and of course finally money, buying influence, and of course cajoling people into their will.

01:22:40.760 That's not news. That happened. That's an objective fact.

01:22:43.680 And kind of to take a brief pause here for a second, that's something we have to be honest about when we get into this question of the whole cancellation of Canada Day or some of the complaints of the left around Canada's founding and everything else.

01:22:57.900 I think that Canada is a fundamentally moral concept, and I think that it was a moral founding, and it's a moral idea of a country.

01:23:05.520 It needs some work.

01:23:07.080 It had some failings.

01:23:08.280 It's had leaders in it that have been less than perfect.

01:23:10.660 But the fundamental idea of Canada is a good one, and wherever we sit on the sovereignty question, we must be honest with ourselves that we're at least trying to rescue the good parts of Canada.

01:23:28.420 We're not just trying to throw away the bad parts or the political parts that cause me pain and force me to, I don't know, deal with assessment authorities and federal agents crawling all over the place and fish cops and God knows what else.

01:23:42.160 So, here's the point.

01:23:45.960 Bad things did happen under colonialism.

01:23:48.900 We have to be honest about that.

01:23:50.480 But, simultaneously, continuing those bad things is not virtuous.

01:23:55.720 is. And that would be my response to anybody from the Communist Party of China. I would say, look,

01:24:03.000 I understand that bad things happened, and those things should not have happened. But the answer

01:24:07.540 to that, just like burning those churches in southern BC is not the answer to what happened

01:24:12.200 to the residential school, the answer from the Chinese Communist Party to essentially turn the

01:24:19.860 screws on the West and get them addicted to drugs and watch them flop around like marionettes 0.99

01:24:25.240 I think that is not the answer. And I think it's deeply immoral, especially considering how we know that went for their population. 0.92

01:24:37.200 And ultimately, there isn't a need for domination in order to have a place at the table when it comes to world affairs.

01:24:47.120 Finally, I'd argue, too, that unlike the Western world, the Chinese population, it is quite restive. 1.00

01:24:55.620 There's lots of riots and stuff inside of China for different issues.

01:24:59.480 Those things happen. They have to suppress them.

01:25:01.700 If you didn't have a population to suppress, you wouldn't be suppressing it.

01:25:06.500 So there must be something to the whole problem of needing to have so much police and needing to have so much coercion

01:25:13.160 that China's population is actually quite restive

01:25:16.380 under some of the restrictions.

01:25:17.780 They're not happy with the way that they're being ruled,

01:25:21.040 and people need to think about that.

01:25:23.900 But the point that I'm trying to draw here simply

01:25:26.140 is that the legacy of Sino-non-Sino relations,

01:25:34.440 so Sino-British, Sino-French, Sino-German,

01:25:37.980 it doesn't matter.

01:25:38.740 So the point is that all Chinese and non-Chinese relationships 0.92

01:25:42.800 historically, especially over the last couple hundred years,

01:25:46.000 they've been rocky, to put it politely.

01:25:48.420 Very, very rocky.

01:25:50.040 Very, very hard to understand.

01:25:52.860 And difficult and complicated.

01:25:55.180 And quite frankly, with no small amount of bloodshed.

01:25:58.680 So that's not news.

01:26:01.820 That's not news.

01:26:02.780 We understand that.

01:26:03.600 The news part is that it isn't just a bunch of people

01:26:08.120 uncoordinate uh without coordination in uh in china or around the world with chinese uh loyalty

01:26:15.520 making making decisions that simultaneously somehow accidentally all fit together it appears

01:26:21.600 to be as far as sam is saying a a cooperative strategy and willful blindness on the part of

01:26:28.040 our leaders here in the west again i was speaking to sam cooper earlier uh the author of willful

01:26:33.780 blindness uh which discusses how a network of narcos tycoons and ccp agents infiltrated the

01:26:40.180 west and began influencing us uh apparently the book has sold out i do do do look for it online

01:26:48.040 though apparently it's going to be about as inflated as some of the housing prices we have

01:26:51.400 in canada uh so wait for the next printing pre-order a copy and wait for the next printing

01:26:56.300 because it's already sold out people were very excited to read an in-depth investigative hard

01:27:01.460 hitting journalism piece on the question of Chinese influence throughout Canada, the West,

01:27:09.460 and the United States, and probably even some parts there in the American election.

01:27:14.340 That's all brilliant. And of course, the pandemic. So let's turn now to that question,

01:27:20.040 the pandemic. So speaking with Mr. Cooper, just a few minutes ago, one of the things that got

01:27:25.520 brought up was the issue of the pandemic. And the pandemic is no one's cup of tea.

01:27:33.300 Some people prefer scamdemic, some people prefer plandemic. I will simply say that the crisis,

01:27:40.920 the self-inflicted crisis that we've been in for 18 months, almost exactly, actually it'll be 18

01:27:47.640 months, I guess, basically when me and my beloved get married, because that'll be the end of August.

01:27:54.200 and really it was somewhere around February for most people that they felt that whatever, the lockdowns began.

01:28:03.140 The point is that we're still in the middle of this thing,

01:28:07.060 even as things begin to loosen up and free up and change and some sanity seems to be restored.

01:28:12.860 The issue is that when we were talking with Sam,

01:28:17.320 And he made the point that no, absolutely, absolutely he believed that regardless of motive around the virus itself, it was clear that the Chinese Communist Party was not telling the truth about what had happened in Wuhan.

01:28:33.180 They had locked down Wuhan. They did not, they did not inform the world about what was really going on.

01:28:42.400 They locked down Wuhan for their own travel within China, but they allowed Wuhan to continue to ship people all over the world.

01:28:50.120 So people who were exposed to whatever happened in Wuhan were able to travel around the world without the Chinese, 1.00

01:28:58.320 with the Chinese government's knowledge, without any kind of filtration or warning.

01:29:03.180 And the virus and, of course, the panic began to spread.

01:29:08.800 So that was a geopolitical move as far as our resident expert, Sam Cooper, is concerned.

01:29:18.600 His point of view is that while, again, we can't impute motive, we can look at facts.

01:29:26.720 And the facts and the evidence declare in no uncertain terms that at some point it was understood that the virus was spreading

01:29:31.500 and it was not stopped from spreading outside of China.

01:29:35.800 It was only stopped from spreading within China.

01:29:38.860 So we've lived through, Sheldon Jones again likes this way of saying that,

01:29:44.200 self-inflicted crisis.

01:29:46.000 I'm going to use that.

01:29:47.980 No, that's precisely it.

01:29:49.840 It is a self-inflicted crisis and we're paying the price for it now

01:29:55.020 with our inflation, with our panic, with our mistrust in government,

01:29:59.220 with our experts that we're getting paid to get things wrong.

01:30:03.800 At this point, if you were trying to stage some kind of coup inside of Canada or whatever,

01:30:09.440 or if you had somehow seized the government inside of Canada,

01:30:11.900 the first thing you'd have to do is make a public example of all the health officers

01:30:17.320 in order to establish your legitimacy.

01:30:19.560 Let's put it that way.

01:30:20.320 That's the only way I'm going to put it.

01:30:21.780 I am not encouraging violence at all.

01:30:23.700 I am simply saying that the fact of the matter is that these people are so loathed

01:30:28.580 by a wide swath of the population regardless of their stance on the vaccine or the virus

01:30:33.040 they've they're they themselves are so low uh that that honestly you would have to have some kind of

01:30:40.200 public humiliation in order to legitimize your own authority and indeed if those people are still in

01:30:48.600 those positions in a democratic sense um and when the next elections come along i think that those

01:30:54.940 governments will lose they'll have to make an example of them so they're just using them right

01:30:58.760 now but those health officers if i was the health officer of any of these places including the the

01:31:03.240 nation i'd be counting my days i'd be i'd be have saved up some cash and i would i would all but

01:31:10.300 leave the country uh maybe i would leave the country or i'd put myself up in none of it or

01:31:14.420 something i would not stay anywhere near uh the press or a populist area because the simple the

01:31:20.760 fact of the matter is is that you know i got if i was in a health officer i'd have to admit that

01:31:24.780 i got paid to be wrong while other people died and and other people lost their jobs and then and

01:31:30.700 then died from losing their jobs because a lot of a lot of people committed suicide and so i think

01:31:36.000 that the short version is don't don't be paid to be wrong uh because people don't forget that so

01:31:43.140 free piece of advice to all of our health officers um people's rage i don't think is going to abate

01:31:48.580 even after this pandemic, so the self-inflicted wound.

01:31:54.100 Where were we?

01:31:55.020 We were talking about the question of China and their influence

01:31:57.660 when it comes to the pandemic.

01:31:58.660 The pandemic and what happened out of Wuhan and all this jazz 0.88

01:32:03.600 is that ultimately China capitalized in a way that the West couldn't

01:32:07.400 because they had information the West didn't have.

01:32:09.980 And so the issue becomes that the Chinese Communist Party

01:32:15.500 doubled down on their subjugation of various populations

01:32:18.640 while the rest of the world was distracted by the Wuhan flu that was zipping around.

01:32:24.780 And finally, I have no doubt that the Chinese Communist Party

01:32:31.380 helped influence the election against Donald Trump.

01:32:35.820 Yeah, no question.

01:32:37.220 The former President Donald Trump.

01:32:39.100 And definitely, if some of that money laundering and everything else

01:32:43.020 that sam was mentioning uh is so easy to do in in you know the rest of the world uh it makes sense

01:32:52.720 that that a lot of that money was spent on trying to get uh mr biden elected uh and some of his

01:32:59.000 friends and so that doesn't that doesn't surprise me at all and and wherever biden's tact is with

01:33:04.640 china i think it isn't i think it is probably tougher than it would have been in the 90s

01:33:08.500 But nonetheless, it's it's not China's it's not the China rhetoric that and the China the China blaming and and focus that was going on from former President Trump. And so I think they're happy that he's out of office. They're happy that he's at the Winter White House in Mar-a-Lago and he's not in charge anymore.

01:33:27.560 so i think that was a really informative uh discussion with sam uh and we learned a lot

01:33:35.780 uh and so ultimately we we look at we look at kind of the world around us and how it might

01:33:44.540 be changed and what i think is actually here's here's a here's a hot take one of the things i

01:33:49.500 think that's going to make a very interesting discussion at some point about the way china

01:33:54.600 was treating people versus the tyrants of the 20th century is that the chinese culture is not 0.97

01:34:01.560 a western culture which i guess is me kind of dog whistling that it's not a christian culture either

01:34:06.360 that being said of course you can counter with the fact that obviously stalin and hitler and 0.71

01:34:12.360 the gang throughout europe were all were were all pretty brutal and that was that was wrong and

01:34:17.880 obviously that was a western culture and therefore by definition a christian culture so what's your

01:34:22.920 point and that's a that's uh that's a fair question i guess i guess ultimately maybe there

01:34:30.580 were at least two limiting factors when it came to tyranny in the 20th century one of the limiting

01:34:35.000 factors is the was the sheer fact that there just wasn't the overproduction that we have today even

01:34:40.940 even after the industrial revolution even right into the second world war we just didn't have the

01:34:46.200 redundancy we have today and we didn't have the the advanced reaches of government we have today

01:34:50.900 spy networks were still spy networks like a human being had to go observe something take some

01:34:56.660 pictures and then die on his way to handing them to his handler or be killed shortly afterwards

01:35:02.600 like you know there's a reason we had cold war movies like all these movies all these films about

01:35:09.460 the second world war right after the second world war and all the moves that are being made and all

01:35:13.460 the the chicanery going on that's that is that is all from from a human element so if you have

01:35:22.620 drones that can do the observation and you have smart tvs that listen to you and you have never

01:35:27.120 forget right if you're going to have a sensitive conversation always remember to put your phone

01:35:32.440 into an rfid bag right and make sure that it that the bag is is sealed and it's you know basically

01:35:37.800 tinfoil you can also put it inside of a microwave if you have to wrap it up in tinfoil put it inside

01:35:42.240 of a microwave if you need to have a super sensitive conversation that you do not want

01:35:46.280 anybody to be able to listen to. So that's always a good point.

01:35:50.540 But the point that I'm trying to make here is that the 20th

01:35:54.480 century, one of the limiting factors of it was just quite frankly, you really could still

01:35:58.300 starve to death and you could

01:36:00.260 go naked for that matter. There just wasn't the redundancy that we have

01:36:06.520 today and the technology that accompanies that redundancy

01:36:10.660 of, you know, phones that can listen to you, TVs that can listen to you, remote controls that can

01:36:16.280 listen to you. I think you can talk to your fridge now. So that power of the state to observe you

01:36:23.680 just wasn't quite there. And the other part of it was that maybe the simpler part of it

01:36:30.700 is that Western culture, as much as it's ever been manipulated into its tyrannical forms,

01:36:36.060 make no mistake it has it that is always a corruption of its fundamental elements

01:36:41.820 because it by its very elements it's just it it doesn't believe that man is inherently stratified

01:36:47.420 or inherently unequal or inherently undignified uh and it doesn't have racial superiority as its

01:36:54.060 basis um if you look at greco-roman judeo-christian uh anglo and if you want to use anglo-saxon or

01:37:01.740 Anglo-European or Western European elements of an ideas. The inherent ideas in them are not

01:37:08.520 stratification-based, caste-based, unequal-based. This was actually always one of the differences

01:37:13.940 between East and West. And so one of the great dangers in my mind, to be honest with you,

01:37:18.040 is that when you look at what might happen when it comes to Chinese domination, is that,

01:37:24.740 quite frankly, Confucian culture doesn't have those same humanistic elements in it. It just

01:37:29.140 doesn't and so say what you will about the 20th century and the evils thereof and they are

01:37:34.880 inexcusable and they must they must never be forgotten and we must always recall what happened

01:37:41.000 at auschwitz what happened in the gulag what happened in in in certain parts of spain during

01:37:46.380 the civil war and the brutality of of of of all these things is absolutely wicked and brutal and

01:37:51.900 awful and the total war methods that were used are still inexcusable and and the terrible things

01:37:56.840 that happened to domestic populations unarmed domestic populations but but nonetheless none

01:38:02.960 of us in the west argue for a second that that was somehow inherent to western ideas maybe

01:38:07.940 unhinged as some of us arguing all the way from uh all the way from you know basically the

01:38:16.740 reformation onwards that that the west has been kind of unhinged but nonetheless the point is

01:38:22.460 that ultimately nobody nobody in the west no matter how reactionary would argue that our

01:38:28.900 philosophy at its foundation is fundamentally inhuman and intolerant indeed it has a self

01:38:36.100 correcting methodology in it going both secular and sacred religiously and philosophically

01:38:43.100 politically that there should always be this reflecting back these thoughts over our actions

01:38:50.420 and then how we might do better again both in our secular and sacred realms that is not the case

01:38:57.120 when it comes to Confucian culture it's not the case when it comes to much of the Orient and we

01:39:04.100 need to be very careful about this because that cultural difference I think is where some of those

01:39:09.860 points are exacerbated uh i i don't i'm not you know i'm not excited for a fundamentally

01:39:19.460 non-western civilization as the hegemon of the world because their understanding of things even 0.98

01:39:26.740 in its subtleties and its nuance is never going to be our understanding and and it's going to

01:39:31.460 influence us in a very very dangerous way and so coming back to the points of what sam was making

01:39:37.460 when it came to their money laundering

01:39:40.320 and their influence buying.

01:39:41.760 I've heard stories actually of politicians.

01:39:44.160 If you go to China, 0.99

01:39:45.300 you need to keep yourself on lockdown,

01:39:47.240 basically, when you go to China,

01:39:48.380 because one way or another,

01:39:50.260 politicians and leaders that are taken to China

01:39:52.620 are eventually shown the dancing girls

01:39:54.440 or the dancing boys, whichever they prefer.

01:39:57.540 And pictures are taken of them

01:39:59.300 with their newfound friends in their tryst,

01:40:04.320 to put it as politely as possible.

01:40:05.980 And so I've heard that from many different sources that quite frankly, our leaders need to be on the guard all the time. They should probably always bring their wives or their spouses. I mean, obviously, there's female leaders as well. They should always bring their spouses and and basically not leave the hotel. And even then the hotel's bugged.

01:40:26.360 you know, it's, I personally, if I was a leader, I would never go to China. Just like if, just like, 0.95

01:40:32.880 you know, you don't go to, you don't go to certain, certain kind of burlesque shows and bars trying

01:40:37.580 to be an upstanding part of your church community. The same thing happens when it comes to going to

01:40:42.920 China. As far as I'm concerned with being a leader, I would just simply refuse to go. 0.85

01:40:46.820 we can meet in japan i don't i i wouldn't i wouldn't uh i wouldn't i wouldn't encourage

01:40:54.560 anyone to go to go to uh to china uh in fact i think going to china is a really bad idea

01:41:00.500 regardless of who you are and i'm really glad i'm i'm very sorry for the two michaels that

01:41:05.420 are currently hostage there and i think that's a shame it's a deep mark of shame upon all of us

01:41:11.820 in Canada, particularly our leaders, that are refusing to do anything to help that man.

01:41:16.340 That's inexcusable.

01:41:20.380 But I think kind of coming back to what Sam was talking about, and indeed looking at that

01:41:26.480 from a kind of bird's eye view and a grand overarching strategy view, the issue becomes

01:41:32.100 very quickly, how do you counter it?

01:41:33.700 Because basically what's happening with China is that they're exploiting, that is to say 0.99

01:41:38.240 the Communist Party in China, is exploiting our free access, our open doors, our democratic system

01:41:45.900 to make us more like them or to bring us under their thumb, whereas we have no way of influencing

01:41:53.440 them back because, quite frankly, the Chinese system is so insular. Actually, while I'm here, 0.51

01:42:01.720 maybe I'll brainstorm a little bit. Maybe people have some comments about how they might influence

01:42:06.660 china differently it's uh it was said really well once and i'm going to put up my email here

01:42:12.100 just so people have it uh people have some suggestions or they'd like to say something

01:42:18.180 uh you know and then sue's got uh got something to say here sue mcgillivray thank you but i've

01:42:25.140 done a lot of research on canada but things are much deeper than the ccp our system is very

01:42:29.940 it's very dirty the whole system i don't doubt that for a second that the canadian political

01:42:35.460 system is is deeply corrupt uh and the problem the problem is that they are just getting paid

01:42:40.880 from something else and unfortunately none of them are getting paid even by their cousin to like keep

01:42:44.880 the shipyard open a lot of them are getting bought off by foreign money american chinese and elsewhere

01:42:50.300 and so that's very dangerous but let's let's let's take a step back and go how would you if you had

01:42:56.340 to influence china how would you do it i i basically would do it this way these are these

01:43:02.100 are my suggestions so engaging with china militarily is impossible because china has 1.00

01:43:07.860 nuclear weapons and because china has uh you know well while they have a pathetic excuse for a navy 0.87

01:43:13.700 as far as i remember um they they like to have a lot of bluster that's one thing i will say about 0.96

01:43:18.680 the chinese bluster a lot of it is bluster and a lot of it is cheap crap uh and it's a big talk 0.88

01:43:23.860 and they have a lot of influence here there and everywhere i guess but it's all cheap because 0.97

01:43:27.800 it's all money it's not loyalty right they've bought all their influence and that's the thing

01:43:32.020 about buying your influence as soon as you stop buying the drinks for everybody at the bar suddenly

01:43:35.780 everybody forgets who you are whereas you know the old guy in the back who's been coming to this bar

01:43:40.580 for 20 years everybody kind of knows who that guy is and they've gone to him for relationship advice

01:43:44.540 or they've gone to him to tell them that they're having a baby or whatever and and so there's two

01:43:48.520 different worlds right you can be the new kid on the block who's buying everybody drinks or you can

01:43:52.280 be the old regular at the back of the bar who's still you know you basically own this place this

01:43:56.200 is your joint this is your town and and no new money is going to be pushing you out of your spot

01:44:01.080 so let's let's take a step back here how would we how would we influence china what would we do

01:44:06.820 um i think the first thing to do actually would be to effectively keep christianizing china so i

01:44:14.000 would say that there i know for a fact there's a huge underground religious movement inside of

01:44:19.140 china because the chinese communist party is very anti-religion regardless of what that religion is

01:44:23.240 I mean, they kind of like Confucianism because it's about conformity, but that's it. 0.56

01:44:26.780 They don't even like it that much.

01:44:29.000 And a lot of those temples got torn down when Mao was in charge.

01:44:32.840 So the Chinese Communist Party is very anti-religion.

01:44:36.720 So the single greatest thing you can do to your enemy is at least annoy them to death.

01:44:40.340 And by influencing more religious growth in China, you are forcing the Chinese Communist Party to come face to face with the most dangerous thing that they know on the planet, 0.87

01:44:50.160 which is the irreducibility of loyalty to God and to the spiritual realm.

01:44:58.380 And so I think that's one way to influence China for the better for the long term would be to evangelize China,

01:45:04.580 send as many missionaries in there as possible and to try and essentially Christianize China from the ground up, 0.79

01:45:10.160 which is no different than what happened to Rome and no different what happened to the pagan cultures that were missionized after

01:45:15.200 and no different to even missionary journeys today.

01:45:18.940 you can try and win over you know the president or the the el presidente for life of a country

01:45:25.580 or the king of a country but it might be better to just go after his subjects uh and to try and

01:45:30.860 make them uh you know understand that they're made in the image of god god loves them and if they're

01:45:36.780 made in the image god and god loves them then why are they either acting in a way that's beneath

01:45:40.780 their own dignity or living in a civilization that's beneath their dignity so they could work

01:45:44.620 to change it so that would be that would be i think the first the and the most dependable method

01:45:49.660 would be uh to evangelize china and so for all those people who are currently evangelizing china

01:45:53.980 i've known a couple of them i met a couple of them uh over the years uh thank you for your service i

01:45:58.780 do hope that you uh have the courage to go back and for those who are already in china do uh do

01:46:04.700 try to to continue your work uh we'll be praying for you so the second method that i would use to

01:46:10.860 to influence china though would be in the secular realm and in the secular realm what i would want

01:46:15.000 to do is send people into one way or another uh kind of infiltrate their workforces and have their

01:46:23.900 workforces agitate for better wages and a better better living uh and a better lifestyle and a

01:46:30.900 cleaner cleaner world uh cleaner environment um not talking about environmentalism purely but

01:46:35.720 talking about just the fact that like like cities in china can be quite dirty because they're still 0.94

01:46:41.340 running on coal and health problems in china can be quite severe um there's a lot of stratification

01:46:48.200 in china there's there's a lot you know there's this there's this oligarchs at the top and there

01:46:53.040 can still be very poor people on the bottom i would that's how i would uh change china is that

01:46:59.040 i would send in people basically union representatives and that sort of thing to

01:47:03.160 influence especially their their uh sweatshops and their slave labor uh to influence the places i 0.63

01:47:09.560 mean the only reason that you can afford this device right is because lots of its pieces were

01:47:13.560 made in china and uh with labor that is that is underpaid and so that's another way to influence

01:47:20.760 it so if we if we go in there and and we teach people basically that they have a transcendent value

01:47:27.000 um uh it's funny rose west said uh death via unions yeah i mean i this is actually a funny

01:47:36.220 i'll do this funny aside uh i have to get going pretty quick here because i mean the pipeline's

01:47:40.040 coming soon but um i'm being contacted by various people i'm sorry we're all in the middle of these

01:47:48.800 silly these silly silly uh wedding planning things every now and again i have to check them

01:47:53.280 check in on them but let's let's pivot back to what's going on here so so it was funny i was in 0.95

01:47:57.620 this bc political panel panel thing which actually unfortunately just got canceled uh a good friend

01:48:02.660 stewart parker he's part of the show all the time you see him on thursdays he'll be here tomorrow

01:48:06.740 but he unfortunately uh just couldn't do the political panel thing anymore that's too bad

01:48:10.900 we'll talk to him about it tomorrow but but that was a great time while we were there and it was

01:48:14.620 ironic because basically it was a bunch of progressives even the person who was from the

01:48:17.980 right of center party the bc liberal party um and uh and and he he he and everybody else basically

01:48:27.140 just a bunch of progressives liberals uh i wouldn't call them necessarily leftists but just

01:48:31.820 progressives right they think that everything's going to get better and everything's going to be

01:48:34.780 fine um the the but we were talking about trying to influence china or whatever and i brought up

01:48:43.240 the whole point of trying to get their their labor organized to make them to make them pricier to

01:48:48.760 make them expensive right so because that's the thing organized labor is expensive and that's why 1.00

01:48:53.900 people avoid it right unions make labor expensive but they also that same simultaneously when your

01:48:59.160 labor is expensive you are and there's no other options you get paid a good wage and and you're

01:49:04.780 actually able to raise your family and and provide for them so that's the thing we always have to

01:49:09.080 remember about about labor markets but but the issue is it was funny because i'm sitting there

01:49:13.820 in a room full of progressives debating the issues of china and essentially the the argument that i'm

01:49:18.860 making is the old communist argument which is that if we just get the workers to be organized we can

01:49:25.340 we can overthrow the tyrants and and have the revolution and it's just kind of i you know

01:49:30.460 irony of ironies right like i i mean i'm about as reactionary as it gets on a lot of counts and i

01:49:35.520 I mean, the other day we had Aaron on here and and he had the point that somebody called you somebody called you a socialist on the Western standard.

01:49:43.820 So I had to come on to tell them what a real socialist was.

01:49:46.320 I couldn't have people thinking you were a socialist and the whole socialist movement would be destroyed.

01:49:51.160 So so I'm no one's idea of a socialist.

01:49:53.900 But but the joke was I was the one making the old communist argument of we will we will organize the workers and the workers will overthrow the tyrants and the petty bourgeoisie and the oligarchs.

01:50:03.960 and and everybody was just looking at me like i was insane and they're all like you know you can't

01:50:10.420 do that you can't organize the workers the order workers will never organize so they're all descended 1.00

01:50:14.420 from marxian ideas for the most part and then one kind of classical liberal and then there's me over

01:50:19.100 here who's a conservative who would rather have there be like all but no state and a bunch of

01:50:23.660 you know night watchmen and church on sunday uh and and people just and and for some reason i'm

01:50:29.420 the one making the the you know the the manifesto argument and everybody else is like that's insane 0.62

01:50:35.380 yeah sheldon thought that was really funny really funny yeah no i know it's hilarious um

01:50:40.800 but i think i if i'm being perfectly honest i think that's actually the only way forward i

01:50:46.440 think we have to christianize uh china and we have to uh organize its labor so that it's not 0.97

01:50:52.900 slavery anymore um that and probably somehow infiltrate their uh their slave camps and

01:50:59.020 particularly their their prison camps uh especially where the organs are being harvested and that sort

01:51:04.380 of thing and try and expose that even more and be clear about what's going on there um and that

01:51:10.500 that might cost some of our lives i mean that that's that's not going to be easy uh i think

01:51:17.920 i'll leave this example with you way back uh when the new world was first being colonized i believe

01:51:27.240 there was a capuchin capuchin uh that or or uh or a carmelite can't remember but there was a

01:51:36.040 religious order there was a religious order uh that wanted to minister to the slaves in the west

01:51:42.880 indies and of course at this time there was slavery and that was run by the spanish empire

01:51:48.700 And in order to minister to the slaves in the West Indies, they themselves had to sell themselves into slavery.

01:51:53.840 And so I don't know if there is a greater act of solidarity than that.

01:51:57.580 He who would lay down his life for his friends, right, is what it says in John.

01:52:02.060 And I think that's kind of the attitude we have to take on this in a lot of accounts.

01:52:06.080 We have to be in solidarity.

01:52:08.340 And until we're in solidarity with the underclass of China, I don't think we'll be able to change China. 1.00

01:52:13.360 there's a great irony of course it's is that by persecuting our underclass and by making them

01:52:19.620 addicted to opiates and making it impossible for them to ever own a home or barely live in a home

01:52:24.820 the cost of rent even there are people there are people living in tents who aren't homeless they

01:52:28.920 are choosing to not pay rent because of the egregious expense that is rent so need to keep

01:52:34.760 that in mind they maybe maybe they now legalized smoke marijuana but in general there are people

01:52:40.920 who literally live on the lam, right, live in their vehicles, live in tents, live just off the

01:52:46.400 road in the bush or whatever, because of the cost of civilization. And the Chinese are influencing 1.00

01:52:50.880 that. That is to say the Chinese Communist Party are influencing that. So I would argue that until

01:52:56.320 we understand that they are using our underclass to kind of destroy us, turning our least of these 1.00

01:53:04.860 against uh their own uh civilization and and destroying them literally murdering them with 0.98

01:53:10.060 with lethal doses of fentanyl um then then maybe the only way in a sense is to kind of love their

01:53:19.300 underclass back right um if you turn turn back good turn back good for ill right um and to show

01:53:28.360 them to show them that there is a different way forward and we don't have to do this we don't have

01:53:33.720 play this domination game and uh because domination is eventually going to lead to

01:53:37.560 violence and violence after after you know the development of the atomic bomb that's going to

01:53:43.480 be a very short-lived but long-lasting impression and that's going to be a problem so i'm not

01:53:48.360 interested in another nuclear war but uh i think that we need to be clear about that well another

01:53:54.840 nuclear war i just mean that the end of the second world war ended with a nuclear weapon uh

01:54:00.360 Uh, and, and I just, I think that's two of them, actually, of course, I think that's

01:54:05.280 kind of where I would, would leave that comment and leave those ideas.

01:54:09.040 Um, we, we must do something about this problem from the Chinese Communist Party. 0.91

01:54:14.700 We must do something about our lack of leadership.

01:54:16.720 We must do something about the capture of our leadership and the lack of intelligence

01:54:20.860 and the lack of, the lack of, uh, integrity in our leadership.

01:54:24.400 and we must do something to secure our borders secure our economy secure our home front but if

01:54:30.880 we want to make a lasting difference we will need to go into the belly of the beast and make

01:54:36.900 make a difference for the people of china because in the end uh if we're all human beings we all

01:54:43.440 value human life we should hope that everyone again uh by living by living properly moral and

01:54:49.420 and ethical lives make and free lives lives lived in freedom have the best life possible

01:54:56.520 and there's only one way to do that the wealth of the west the legacy of the west the heritage of

01:55:01.740 the west liberty of the west comes from one place and that is its heritage as a freeborn people

01:55:07.900 born of those ethics that come from western values the greco-roman understanding the

01:55:13.300 western european understanding and of course the judeo-christian understanding which all comes

01:55:19.740 together in our freedom-loving civilization that asks us to act upon our conscience and asks us to

01:55:26.480 stand up against injustice so hopefully we can teach that to others around the world um that

01:55:31.540 was a bit of a long-winded preaching at the end there but hopefully you enjoyed it i am going to

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