Western Standard - Mountain Standard Time - June 30th, 2021

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00:01:30.000 good morning and welcome to mountain standard time i'm your host nathan guida and of course

00:01:42.620 it's the day before canada day we are going to be talking about canada day and of course some

00:01:48.120 people have been asking about the cancellation of canada day all this sort of thing we've got

00:01:52.360 john robson on the program today he'll be with us in a couple of minutes coming to us live from

00:01:57.660 Eastern Standard Time, so it'll be about lunch for him. And just after that, we have Paul Hinman

00:02:03.580 of the Wild Rose Independence Party of Alberta, and he's going to talk to us a little bit about

00:02:07.360 the question of sovereignty in light of Canada Day, which of course is tomorrow. Before we get

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00:03:11.640 to where we were before we're going to get to the opening statement here the long story short of it

00:03:16.920 all for me if i can put it in so many words is that we're a few short hours from what until

00:03:24.980 recently was a happy day on the calendars of most canadians sovereignists or not everyone likes an

00:03:30.820 excuse to take the day off and head out to the lake down to the local park or simply start up

00:03:35.200 the barbecue at home good food cold beverages the celebration of a nation that has been on the right

00:03:40.720 side of history for most of its existence those are good things worth celebrating you know i think

00:03:46.340 I think that whatever our stance is on sovereignty and separation, Canada has not been a grossly immoral nation when we take it on the scale of world history.

00:04:00.760 But a cloud hangs over this year's celebrations.

00:04:03.360 Canada is a divided nation, and part of that division is coming about as a direct result of the discoveries made in both Kamloops as well as southern Saskatchewan and the vicinity of residential schools.

00:04:13.100 Several unmarked grave sites with what appears to be hundreds of human remains in them.

00:04:19.080 This sparked outrage across the nation.

00:04:22.720 And rightfully so, to a point, nobody wants to have the dead put to rest or put to rest in such a way that they're not properly remembered or marked.

00:04:33.760 and while I've heard various theories of how this occurred including pandemics and the high child

00:04:40.820 mortality rate that happened in past years including wooden crosses as well and other

00:04:45.800 ways of marking grave sites a stone a stone headstone is is an expensive item and at that

00:04:52.980 time it was an expense that wouldn't have been afforded to many people let alone people attending

00:04:58.000 residential school the fact of the matter is this is still deeply disappointing and for those who

00:05:03.300 are closest to it, it can spark outrage. That's understandable. We understand that. But Ending

00:05:10.640 Canada Day won't name any of these unmarked graves. Neither will it punish anybody who committed

00:05:16.420 abuse within the residential school system. The schools didn't abuse people. People abuse people. 0.99

00:05:22.180 Guns don't kill people. People kill people. And in the residential school system, there were people 0.82

00:05:28.720 who should not have been there

00:05:30.880 and who were moved throughout it

00:05:33.220 and allowed to be serial offenders,

00:05:35.440 many of whom, many of them are dead now,

00:05:37.800 and we will never get justice for that.

00:05:39.980 Any who are still alive,

00:05:41.380 any who can be sought out and punished

00:05:43.300 for what occurred,

00:05:44.500 who perpetrated those crimes against children,

00:05:46.860 that should happen.

00:05:48.000 There's no question.

00:05:49.780 But all that we will get

00:05:53.380 out of Cancelling Canada Day

00:05:54.540 is a renamed statutory holiday,

00:05:56.880 and everyone who lives still marginalized on the wrong side of the track,

00:06:02.220 especially Aboriginals, my brothers and sisters,

00:06:04.720 with or without their status cards in every corner of this country,

00:06:09.040 they will continue to live in squalor and in poverty,

00:06:11.640 on reserve and off reserve.

00:06:13.280 They will not get clean drinking water.

00:06:15.600 They will not have their women be saved along the Highway of Tears,

00:06:19.640 and it won't stop the opiate and homeless crisis

00:06:22.320 that's affecting many Canadian cities,

00:06:24.040 which again have a disproportionate amount of aboriginals first nations us indians as part of

00:06:30.560 that demographic i've written elsewhere as well that those are sympathetic to the sovereignty's

00:06:35.320 moon must be careful if they choose to throw in with anyone trying to cancel canada day whatever

00:06:42.380 this country's faults it is not illegitimate in its founding rather it has strayed from the

00:06:47.120 virtuous path throughout its development particularly since pearson and trudeau

00:06:51.260 essentially rebranded us and in fact that is that is something worth criticizing when it comes to

00:06:55.820 Canada and we'll get to that in a second but nonetheless if we destroy everything and we join 0.86

00:07:00.260 with those who are trying to destroy everything we will simply be king well all kings and queens

00:07:06.940 of the ashy I I want to start off there we've got our guests coming on a little while here I have

00:07:13.680 some news articles up we'll refer to those as needs warrant but it's really important for us

00:07:20.140 to understand just kind of the drastic state of things at this moment.

00:07:24.440 And I'm not here to cause any outrage.

00:07:27.060 I'm not here to cause any problems.

00:07:29.000 There are times where I get very upset and animated on this show.

00:07:33.140 You know that.

00:07:35.060 But at the core of it all, I'm interested in solutions.

00:07:40.880 I'm not interested in outrage for outrage's sake.

00:07:43.280 I understand it as a tool of interference.

00:07:47.060 If you keep up the high interference,

00:07:49.380 if you interfere with your enemy signals they're not able to communicate as well their message gets

00:07:54.420 garbled and you're able to kind of move in in a psychological way kind of create a fog on their

00:08:00.100 end and you're able to kind of move your agenda forward uh both the right and the left are very

00:08:04.740 good at this particularly in the united states we see this all the time and in and in the rest

00:08:08.660 of the anglosphere you have to understand actually it's actually kind of ironic canada is basically

00:08:13.700 the only anglo country of course it's anglo-franco it has both languages it's the only english-speaking

00:08:19.220 country though in in the world where there isn't a strongly developed uh right-wing uh sort of news

00:08:26.600 organization and news body and news well news organ for that matter an organ of right-wing kind

00:08:31.740 of ideas policy procedures and and think tanks that are able to kind of get their will done

00:08:38.380 it's all basically a uniparty sort of system thanks to the neoliberalism that came out of

00:08:43.200 the 80s when we talked to stewart next week because we're not having we're not having a

00:08:46.760 thursday show this week because of course it's canada day tomorrow and uh whatever we might say

00:08:51.540 about the right to work uh it's a stat and i'm taking it off i'm actually working on stuff for

00:08:57.220 my wedding so don't worry i'm not just uh just floating down the river or something i'm working

00:09:01.840 hard but not not on this not on this time on my time but i guess the point that i'm trying to

00:09:08.840 drive home here is that we we live in a divisive time a drastic time things are things are bad

00:09:15.660 things are dark things are hard for a great deal of people um covet didn't help covet exacerbated

00:09:24.060 these trends things that were already bad before covet started have gotten worse great wealth

00:09:28.540 transfer upwards throughout covet thanks to keeping amazon costco and walmart open while

00:09:33.420 churches and small businesses and restaurants were closed on and on the list goes door dash

00:09:38.540 taking over the world whatever some people need to use uh either need to use that sort of thing

00:09:44.460 or they need they need to have an income and they they use those third-party providers to to generate

00:09:50.620 an income for themselves i i understand that but at the same time the question becomes can we run

00:09:55.900 an economy on the gig economy can we run a household on the gig economy can we have proper

00:10:01.740 families and proper political engagement when the population is desperately seeking that dollar and

00:10:07.660 the dollar is worth less than it was let alone a year ago let alone 20 years ago or 30 years ago

00:10:14.460 the wages are stagnant all of these all these things up down and sideways good bad and ugly

00:10:20.960 i think that i think that the ultimate point here is that when we talk about cancelling canada day

00:10:28.220 i think canada even if you're a sovereignist canada was a good idea to begin with and canada

00:10:35.620 did many good things along the way and it made many important strides the project has been on

00:10:42.180 the rocks since, you know, it's been on the rocks since at least the 60s. And I mean, so has the

00:10:54.460 United States. But really, it comes back to that Trudeau-Pearson consensus where they decided to

00:10:59.940 take Canada away from its kind of latent understanding. The Aboriginal population 0.98

00:11:06.240 has a certain understanding about itself. So did the French population. So did the English-speaking

00:11:10.400 population so did the recent immigrants they all kind of lived not in total enclaves but they had 0.85

00:11:15.200 their own kind of understanding and they weren't roused up into a single national dream the last

00:11:21.980 national dreams had been let's win the war let's win the first war so let's win the second war let's

00:11:28.220 win the first war and let's build the railway those have been the national dreams of yesteryear

00:11:32.960 right and a couple of things happened in the interwar period but all of a sudden somebody

00:11:37.480 got the bright idea in the 60s between Pearson and Trudeau that they were going to re-found

00:11:41.940 Canada, and that re-founding of Canada has created basically probably about 90% of the

00:11:49.360 animosity we have today, and that includes their attempt to try and terminate all aboriginal 1.00

00:11:56.240 claims to land and that sort of thing through Trudeau's white paper.

00:11:59.920 But I think the fundamental point that I would make here is that as we kind of sit back and

00:12:07.400 think about canada day as it comes up and think about where we're at at this moment

00:12:12.520 on this 30th day of june 2021 18 months into this new decade to the day

00:12:20.680 i the thing that strikes me is that all of our hopes and dreams for the 2020s

00:12:31.180 are not maybe where we thought they would go.

00:12:35.840 The 2010s have been tumultuous thanks to the great crash of 08.

00:12:40.420 The 2000s have been tumultuous and hard to live through

00:12:45.240 thanks to the great destruction of the World Trade Center in 2001.

00:12:52.780 Every decade has its disaster.

00:12:54.840 But 2020 and forward, the 2020s, are shaping to be

00:13:00.000 perhaps where it really does break down just as it did in the 1920s in the 20th century

00:13:04.780 because the stratification of society the divisions within society the discordant

00:13:11.700 narratives within society they just continue to build and build and build and escalate and

00:13:16.660 escalate and escalate carol murphy baker appreciated me saying uh exacerbated uh

00:13:23.560 they've used it incorrectly uh no yeah it's exacerbated not not exasperated exasperated

00:13:29.440 it's different. But it is. Things are getting desperate. Things are getting tight. The heat

00:13:38.140 isn't helping. The heat is happening in our political realm, and it's happening apparently

00:13:42.220 outside our doors, though it appears to be breaking a little bit in British Columbia.

00:13:46.960 And if nothing else, I think that where we need to take off from here

00:13:53.960 is that Canada, the project, is failing.

00:14:02.720 And if we don't change course, the country will break apart.

00:14:08.240 And perhaps that's the easiest way for me to kind of explain my position on sovereignty.

00:14:12.820 I believe that sovereignty isn't yet the choice to make.

00:14:17.560 But I understand completely why people are making that choice.

00:14:21.360 And I must admit that my own doubts about this project that we call Canada are growing.

00:14:29.660 And I don't know how much longer this project is going to last if we continue to make the mistakes we're making.

00:14:40.340 This country cannot hold together if it doesn't have a core set of tenets and beliefs that it can agree on, that we can agree on as a people.

00:14:49.780 this country can't hold together if every other province thinks it's being taken advantage of by

00:14:55.940 by its neighbor the country can't hold together if when you go into any kind of metro downtown

00:15:03.560 area you are in a different civilization compared to walking through a rural town and and people

00:15:09.500 might think that automatically makes oh well you're talking about rainbow crosswalks and

00:15:12.920 everything else no like i live in i've lived in rural parts of this country everybody has

00:15:19.380 everybody has lgbtq family members and people who are extensions of their family who they know

00:15:25.520 that's not the question the question is whether it again is a latent identity or a in-your-face

00:15:31.120 sort of identity and that doesn't matter what it is people are allowed to be proud of who or what

00:15:35.900 they are where they're headed what their faith is grace class creed color orientation that's what

00:15:42.620 our constitution tells us but you can't have those things frictionally attacking one another

00:15:48.780 all the time and you can't make it about our differences

00:15:52.060 and i think actually the albertan has a good point here we are headed for a time of violence

00:16:02.120 ideological schism western separation is only one portent of this good use of the word portent

00:16:07.440 precisely that basic that that's actually my sentiments pretty much exactly um we are

00:16:16.540 we are in desperate times devastating times and the differences between us and them the

00:16:22.380 differences between people they're not actually as great as we think they are they're being

00:16:26.920 they're being made worse and they're being stoked by people who have the cash and have the interest

00:16:35.620 and keeping us divided rather than united

00:16:37.760 in a common front against those in leadership

00:16:41.280 who are basically fleecing us

00:16:43.800 and taking us for all we're worth.

00:16:46.200 So we need a way forward.

00:16:50.720 Some people are arguing that's sovereignty.

00:16:53.780 Others are arguing that that's canceling Canada.

00:16:56.060 Still others are burning down churches here in BC

00:16:59.080 and apparently some in Alberta

00:17:00.400 and apparently there's been attacks elsewhere.

00:17:02.000 some people are taking protests to the streets some people are getting at each other in grocery

00:17:09.260 shops you know with and in you know in retail places whether you're wearing a mask not wearing

00:17:14.920 a mask technically speaking tomorrow in british columbia the mask mandate ends but even there

00:17:19.700 this is important i i was in a i was in a retail spot the other day i had to i had to get a suit

00:17:26.120 for uh for my wedding and it was wise to actually purchase one instead of just rent one i have some

00:17:30.800 friends i'm a part of a pretty a pretty traditional little catholic group at least in their morality

00:17:36.480 and they and they're going to be getting married soon that's there's no other way of saying it

00:17:40.160 their faith is very important to them and they're trying to follow it to to the letter in the spirit

00:17:44.560 as closely as they can they're trying to wait for marriage and there's people waiting in the wings

00:17:48.320 to get married so they're going to get engaged they're going to get married soon so between that

00:17:52.160 and the baptisms and of course in someday god forbid the funerals um that are coming down the

00:17:57.760 pipe i needed i needed something to wear for that nothing i had had from the last decade fit me

00:18:03.600 anymore because i had grown and shrunk and grown and shrunk so many times um you know gained a lot

00:18:08.880 of weight lost a lot of weight blah blah so i'm in a shop and i'm trying to get my suit and uh it's

00:18:15.920 all been sized and everything it looks great it's a nice three-piece um and it'll work for everything

00:18:20.880 it's the right color to be in a joyful occasion and in a sorrowful occasion and as i'm trying to

00:18:27.040 to put everything together and whatever else i i i have to don a mask i didn't bring one with me so

00:18:31.880 i grab a mask from the uh from the kiosk because i'm not here to fight this fight i need i need my

00:18:37.400 suit i'm here to get i'm here to get my suit to get married i go to grab the mask and i just

00:18:42.220 mentioned to the to the attendant i'm like hey you know like we we don't have to we don't have

00:18:47.000 to uh wear these in like a day or two isn't that great and he's like well i i thought i thought and

00:18:52.800 he had all these caveats the guy's been living with a mask on his face in a store for a year

00:19:00.580 he gets paid a garbage wage he's a retail worker he gets paid a terrible wage maybe he gets

00:19:08.000 commissioned i don't know i don't think he does so he gets paid a terrible wage to sit around all day

00:19:13.640 while snobby people come in and out because this is a ritzy store right uh and and they and and

00:19:21.520 you know probably don't treat him very well and and his his place to stand his ground is oh what

00:19:31.080 i but i thought you know but i heard that you had to have your vaccination to have your mask off or

00:19:35.400 i heard you have to have at least your first dose or i heard that that that he had all these caveats

00:19:40.860 he was speaking someone else's thoughts he didn't he wasn't using his own he wasn't using his own

00:19:48.180 brain or rather he had a brain that was built out of the cottage cheese that it was being thrown

00:19:54.260 into it by everybody else it's not because he's a stupid person i want to be clear about that i 0.62

00:19:59.520 don't believe that people are stupid every now and again i get into an argument with people

00:20:03.060 but whether people are stupid or not i don't believe that people are stupid i believe that

00:20:08.340 people are are uh i believe that people are lazy and complacent that is that is exactly what uh

00:20:20.260 what i believe i don't believe that people are

00:20:26.580 i don't believe that people are stupid and the reason i don't believe that people are stupid

00:20:31.700 is is for several reasons but one of the primary ones is that if you find somebody

00:20:38.340 uh, anywhere, uh, whether they're at the top of the pile or the bottom, you would be absolutely

00:20:43.680 amazed at how well they can keep themselves alive, how well they're able to secure their

00:20:49.600 own position in the world. They're, they're, they're brilliant. They're absolutely brilliant.

00:20:57.800 And, uh, I think that that's why I don't believe people are stupid. I believe that people can be

00:21:04.520 very lazy and very complacent and so they have to be motivated sometimes by the worst means and so

00:21:09.080 coming back to this question of what was happening in this retail facility while i was there um

00:21:16.200 this attendant this person they're not stupid they just have this empty glass for a mind right

00:21:23.960 because that's all we are right we have we well not all we are i believe that we have some immutable

00:21:27.720 characteristics of course i believe in the soul and everything as well but but when we think about

00:21:31.640 education we think about the way that we kind of we do indoctrinate people we want everybody to know

00:21:35.640 two plus two equals four two plus two equals four so we repeat it we repeat it we repeat it until

00:21:39.800 the child understands that two plus two equals four and and we do this with everything when it

00:21:44.040 comes to a lot of our education and then when you have that base layer you're capable of critical

00:21:48.120 thought but but the point that i drive home here is that they were still looking for people they

00:21:54.200 were still looking for a reason why we might have to wear the mask and that was kind of mind-boggling

00:21:59.880 to me that was beyond mind-boggling to me because here we are they're finally going to let us go

00:22:04.920 they're finally going to let our people go let us be free and they and this person is still carrying

00:22:09.820 around this basically a learned neurosis right a learned fear from a year and a half basically

00:22:14.660 of indoctrination so i think that has some validity to it as a criticism but uh we've got

00:22:19.540 our first guest for the show on uh right here right now of course professor john robson columnist for

00:22:26.100 the national post we're going to bring him into the stream and see how he's doing hello mr robson

00:22:31.120 hello how you doing i'm just fine thanks how are you i'm doing well i'm wondering what is going on

00:22:38.560 with uh basically our historical understanding of this country period and have we completely

00:22:44.380 lost our minds when it comes to canada today i'd like your thoughts on all that stuff

00:22:48.220 i think the biggest problem is that we've lost our sense of perspective

00:22:52.740 on our history and on generally on the the whole problem of politics and government

00:22:58.500 if people expect canada to be perfect they're going to be sorely disappointed because it's

00:23:03.240 full of human beings including them i might add but once you understand that that human beings

00:23:09.440 are very flawed and that human history is a frightening tale of horror and hegel called it

00:23:15.860 a butcher's block and then you look for places in the world where things were relatively better

00:23:21.740 and seem to show some prospect of further improvement,

00:23:24.840 then you would focus on Canada and the rest of the Anglosphere primarily

00:23:29.360 and then the rest of the West as far and away the best place to live

00:23:33.900 and the most promising one.

00:23:36.140 And if you were to celebrate our history in a historical sense,

00:23:40.400 and for me that means going back to Magna Carta obviously,

00:23:43.820 then you see a foundational document that appears to guarantee liberty

00:23:49.620 and to a fairly wide range of people,

00:23:53.560 including Magna Carta has a number of sections

00:23:55.200 dealing with women's rights.

00:23:57.060 And you have to ask yourself,

00:23:58.520 was the whole thing a fake?

00:23:59.700 Were they just lying?

00:24:00.840 Is it just been a pantomime show?

00:24:02.680 Or was there a real and valuable circle of protections

00:24:06.160 that was not always drawn widely enough?

00:24:09.060 Is the problem that we didn't always live up to our ideals

00:24:11.960 or is it that our ideals were themselves bogus,

00:24:15.540 even vicious sham,

00:24:17.000 that we are a genocidal, settler, colonialist state, entirely lacking in legitimacy.

00:24:22.320 If you take the latter view, of course, you don't want to celebrate Canada Day,

00:24:24.940 and the sooner we get rid of Canada, the better,

00:24:26.820 and then maybe we'll think of something we could put in its place that might work.

00:24:30.440 But if you understand that it has been a flawed but noble venture

00:24:34.980 that has achieved a great deal and could still achieve more,

00:24:38.280 then on Canada Day, you don't forget the things that weren't done right,

00:24:42.340 but you celebrate the fact that they are a betrayal of our ideals

00:24:45.740 rather than a fulfillment of them and and in this in this instance it's kind of interesting so

00:24:52.500 so obviously we're here on the western standard and the western standard is kind of the

00:24:58.560 sovereignist organ out here in western canada it agitates the most on this question and there was

00:25:05.400 a real internal debate both for us within the staff and and generally within say the maverick

00:25:11.060 party and in the pbc people aligned in this milieu they all were arguing back and forth on whether or

00:25:17.380 not the cancel canada day thing was a bandwagon to jump on because was this not a way to further

00:25:22.100 the question of sovereignty i argued against it taking a kind of berkian position that

00:25:27.460 one must be careful with whose outrage one taps into or else you might get france you know circa

00:25:33.620 1780 and how that might all go but i'd like to hear your your comment on that what do you think

00:25:39.860 Do you think that basically there's this separate movement that is clearly about woke ideology and an agenda elsewhere that's using Canada Day as a front, cancelling Canada Day as a front?

00:25:53.240 And then on the other side, the question of sovereignty for those of us in the West who are quite upset at Ottawa, at least the Ottawa that we've known since basically Pearson and Trudeau refounded this country back in the 1960s.

00:26:07.680 It seems to me that the foundational point here, in a way it brings me back to the American Revolution, not because I'm advocating armed revolt, but from an intellectual point of view.

00:26:17.040 If you look at the state seal of Massachusetts in 1976, it shows this guy, looks like the New England Patriots mascot.

00:26:24.340 He's got a saber in one hand and he's got a scroll on the other.

00:26:27.780 And if you read the scroll, it says Magna Carta.

00:26:29.820 So what the Americans were doing in the 1760s to the 1780s was not overthrowing a form of government that had been tried and found wanting, but restoring a form of government that they thought was actually being overthrown by the king and his advisors in London.

00:26:45.300 And so I think that when you look at Western separatism in Canada, the problem, as you say, is not that people think that Canada, as traditionally understood, the Westminster system, liberty under law, limited government, a man's home being his castle, Magna Carta, and all the things going back to Kibbutz Romana Sum and the idea of human rights that finds its dawn in Greece and then comes through Rome and so on.

00:27:13.460 it's not that this was wrong it's that it had as you say been betrayed or abandoned or deliberately

00:27:18.760 destroyed by the authorities in Ottawa and if the result of pressure to secede in the west was that

00:27:24.620 the Canadian Federation would be restored to its proper foundations if we could have

00:27:29.800 a charter of rights that doesn't have loopholes not and I'm thinking less of the notwithstanding

00:27:34.760 clause here than of the infamous section one that says that our rights could be trampled anytime a

00:27:39.540 court appointed by the politicians trampling our rights says, yeah, this seems to suit the greater

00:27:44.000 good. If that could be restored, Western separatism would cease to be a force, and I think rightly not,

00:27:50.600 as had the British government lived up to its traditions in the 1750s and 1760s, there'd have

00:27:56.180 been no American revolution. And if you look at the upper and lower Canadian revolts in the 1830s,

00:28:03.260 and the British looked at this and they said, here we go again. We are once again betraying

00:28:08.360 our ideals we're not allowing uh free people self-government and they're going to revolt and

00:28:13.120 we're going to lose them and so they sent lord durham and said jack would you mind going and

00:28:16.840 telling us what's going on but they knew what he was going to say that he was going to say give

00:28:20.900 them representative government or else they'll be out the door and he went and said give them

00:28:24.540 representative government or they'll be out the door and the british did and so there was no need

00:28:28.860 for any much trouble and this to me is the fundamental point i mean suppose alberta separates

00:28:34.720 or the west separates buffalo is finally created maybe parts of bc joined in you still have the

00:28:40.080 problem of what constitutes good government on what basis shall we construct institutions

00:28:45.680 will we have uh a bill of rights that overrides the actions of legislatures and again a point to

00:28:52.320 the american constitution their bill of rights it says there are things congress can't do even

00:28:56.240 if the president signs them but the americans were innovating there they were looking back

00:29:01.280 to the time and it went on for centuries when a law that violated magna carta in britain was

00:29:07.280 invalid it didn't matter if it was passed by the commons and the lords no matter if the king agreed

00:29:11.360 to it it simply could not stand and so i think alberta was going to want to have that they're

00:29:16.560 going to want to have representative government they're going to want to have legislative

00:29:19.680 assemblies i presume they'll want first past the post or perhaps they'll try some other system

00:29:24.800 but they'll keep the fundamental structure of westminster which again the americans when they

00:29:29.600 created their congressional system we're not trying to change but to preserve the essence of

00:29:35.040 and so the ideal here isn't like well as long as the west is independent it'll be great even

00:29:38.880 if we elect the communist party or they seize power the idea is we need to get back to the

00:29:44.160 things that made western civilization a beacon to the world and again it's worth noting when

00:29:49.840 when they do polls on canada day and then you know white progressives who were born here are

00:29:54.400 like boo down with canada and then uh persons of color who have immigrated to canada say what are

00:29:59.040 what are you, nuts? Do you have any idea what I left to get to this place? And it doesn't mean

00:30:03.840 they want to be called racial slurs or that they're going to just say, okay, everything's

00:30:07.820 perfect. But they appreciate that it's better here. And this is, again, Canada is not something

00:30:14.060 that sprang from the brow of Sir John A. Macdonald, conceived completely as a new thing. It was very

00:30:21.740 definitely seen as a continuation of the project of Anglo-Sphere Liberty. If you look at the

00:30:27.560 confederation debates you have people who are favoring confederation saying join confederation

00:30:31.840 preserve your british liberty and you have people who are saying reject confederation preserve your

00:30:37.420 british liberty there's no question that they understand that for all its imperfections uh

00:30:43.460 this was the best way that had ever been found and and since race is a big issue these days let's

00:30:48.520 remember that the british empire did not merely abolish the slave trade and then slavery within

00:30:53.460 its boundaries. They sent the Royal Navy to wipe it out in foreign countries just because it was

00:30:59.300 wrong. And it is true that racial slavery and bigotry are a horrendous stain on the historical

00:31:05.720 record of the West. But it's also worth noting that nowhere else ever had an abolitionist

00:31:11.560 movement. Everybody had slavery. The racial slavery was a renaissance horror particular to 0.96

00:31:17.080 Western civilization. And there's no, you can't fast talk your way out of that. The facts speak

00:31:22.160 for themselves. But the Roman Empire had no abolitionist movement and Rome was the most

00:31:27.720 enlightened civilization in the world had seen to that point. You know, Asia had no abolitionist

00:31:33.560 movement. The caste system in India, which is much of it is slavery by another name,

00:31:39.720 that was not going to be abolished by internal dynamics. Africa had widespread slavery and no

00:31:46.020 abolitionist movement. Only the West looked at its institutions and said, what in the name of God are

00:31:51.860 we doing to our fellow human beings? And if you forget that, you're not going to build anything

00:31:57.160 new out of the intellectual as well as political rubble. So I think, yes, it's very appropriate

00:32:02.460 to celebrate Canada Day, or for my money, Dominion Day, and say we must get back to this. And if we

00:32:08.500 can get back to it in united Canada, that will be fine. But if we're convinced we can't, we must get

00:32:13.580 back to it in a new and independent country. It's not enough to secede. We must secede with the 1.00

00:32:19.040 purpose of restoring liberty under law and building statues of Alfred the Great and Edward

00:32:23.680 Cook and King Canute, one of my badly misunderstood historical favorites, and celebrating the only

00:32:30.860 system that ever succeeded in treating human dignity as a serious thing in the political and

00:32:36.980 legal system. Your reference of Dominion Day, of course, speaks to my heart. I have an ensign. I

00:32:43.940 have it hung on my wall i i miss the days of the ensign i i think that so much of what went sideways

00:32:50.420 in canada honestly i don't think it's recovered really from the pierce and trudeau consensus

00:32:54.100 maybe you could help our listeners and viewers understand a little bit more of what was it seemed

00:32:59.060 like a subtle thing at the time maybe to some people but it was actually an astronomical change

00:33:03.260 and we're still living in the brainchild of of what pierce and trudeau did to canada uh circa

00:33:08.480 1965, 1967, 1968? I think unfortunately that you're absolutely right there. I mean it always

00:33:16.000 stuck in my craw that they got rid of a flag that had the British heritage celebrated in it and

00:33:21.200 replaced it with one in their own party colors. That was the kind of thing that one did not expect

00:33:26.560 in a self-governing western democracy. That had this kind of cheesy partisanship when associated

00:33:32.560 with a third world sliding into a sordid dictatorship. I mean obviously we weren't doing

00:33:36.800 that but but it was a bad sign and i recently wrote this about trudeau that the problem with

00:33:42.320 pierre trudeau is that he didn't think canada was a great place he thought it would be a great place

00:33:46.880 if only it was completely reconstructed in his image and that's the project we've been on ever

00:33:51.520 since you know we're going to be bilingual we're going to be bicultural we're going to be sort of

00:33:55.360 big government libertine all the things we weren't that made canada an embarrassment

00:34:00.800 and then we saw at one point you know his his son admitting that yes he thought professors were

00:34:04.560 better. That was just seemed to him quite obvious. And yet, of course, I mean, or Jean

00:34:10.500 Chrétien used to go around saying, I wish I'd been there to wake up Montcalm, that he would

00:34:15.820 quite openly say, I would have actively contributed to the military victory of French absolutism

00:34:21.320 over the parliamentary democracy that finally gave Quebecers rights. And this to me, a very

00:34:28.380 forgotten figure in the Canada struggle for liberty is Pierre Bédard, who was a member of

00:34:33.500 the legislature in lower Canada leading up to the rebellion and he was forever saying we don't have

00:34:40.180 proper British self-government because the executive gets subsidies from London it isn't

00:34:44.820 dependent upon the legislature for supply and until you have that you cannot control your government

00:34:50.060 and so there were people in Quebec who understood perfectly well what was going on here but

00:34:55.920 Pierre Trudeau I think was you know he was clever but a silly man he really was quite silly in

00:35:02.820 whatever airport paperback by John Kenneth Galbraith he'd just read. Remember, he once went to the

00:35:08.000 Soviet Union and said, yeah, we live under the military domination of the United States, and oh,

00:35:11.560 you've got a federal system like ours. There was a shallowness there, but there was a real

00:35:17.240 inability to understand and a contempt for the British system. He didn't really, I mean,

00:35:23.760 he thought he was a libertarian, but he gave us a charter of rights filled with loopholes.

00:35:27.700 this was a preposterous thing for him to have done and the result of Trudeau was that government got

00:35:33.320 far bigger far more aggressive and far more interested in remaking us the understanding

00:35:38.840 when a man's home is his castle and so forth the idea is that the citizens shall determine the

00:35:43.640 shape of the government but Trudeau senior wanted the government to determine the shape of the

00:35:47.820 citizens and that is a very fundamental intellectual revolution and he also didn't have much time for

00:35:54.100 parliament he didn't the idea that this canadian system the executive branch the ministry is not

00:36:01.380 the government it is a branch of the government and it must answer to the branch we elect

00:36:06.040 and it is through the business of supply that is the voting or withholding of money that our

00:36:12.080 representatives enforce their control this was not a doctrine that he understood or loved and again

00:36:18.220 it's remarkable to understand that this this idea of parliament at the time of magna carta there is

00:36:23.520 no parliament magna carta is not a legislative act it is an act of the people and then the

00:36:29.580 parliament appears within about 60 years and then the commons is sitting separately by 1346 so in

00:36:38.500 just over a century and by 1400 the uh or between 1400 and 1415 they established that um the king

00:36:47.340 cannot um edit bills that the commons has primacy on money bills and that the king must answer

00:36:55.500 their grievances before getting any money so all of this is in place by around 1400 but it is not

00:37:01.880 a french thing the french parlement did not meet between 1614 i believe it was and 1789 and even

00:37:09.140 when it did meet the french parlement could not control the king and they quite explicitly said

00:37:13.200 we shouldn't be able to do that. That would be bad. And so Pierre Trudeau came out of a very

00:37:18.260 different system. And he certainly had a kind of sympathy for communism, which is just incompatible

00:37:24.080 with understanding how liberty under law works. And so we went from having a very small government,

00:37:31.700 as late as 1958, as a share of GDP, Canadian governments were smaller than the American

00:37:36.000 governments. And Louis Saint Laurent was very much in the classical Wilfrid Laurier liberal

00:37:40.760 old tradition in quebeco doesn't mean he didn't believe in limited government he understood its

00:37:45.560 merits and remember laurier said canada is free and freedom is its nationality you would have

00:37:51.080 gotten a horse laugh from pierre pludeau if you've made that suggestion and i think that and then we

00:37:56.040 got all these things getting renamed you know and with these kind of almost soviet names like petro

00:38:00.600 canada and he decided he would just remake the free market and zap your frozen and then he brings

00:38:05.960 and wage and price controls all these kind of things represented a hugely activist state

00:38:11.640 and then you got i mean this is a very technical thing but it used to be that uh committees of the

00:38:15.880 commons had to uh actually look at the departmental budgets by a certain time or they couldn't be in

00:38:22.520 into the annual budget and under uh pearson temporarily and intrude permanently the rule was

00:38:27.880 made that if they weren't examined they were deemed to have been examined so he just brushed

00:38:31.880 parliament aside it was full of yappy people and the idea that his own caucus might question him

00:38:37.080 you know what was anathema to him but you look back into the 19th century and and sir johnny

00:38:42.440 mcdonald was forever worrying about the shaky fellows and loose fish as he called them and in

00:38:47.160 the night heyday of parliament in britain in the 19th century ministries would quite routinely fall

00:38:52.040 in the house because they couldn't whip their caucuses and sometimes you would have a prime 0.81

00:38:56.440 minister fall and the other party take power without even having an election because legislators

00:39:01.160 were understood not to be members of the red team the blue team or then the orange team

00:39:05.320 but representatives of the people who sent them there and that's the system that i think trudeau

00:39:11.080 destroyed without really understanding it he knew it annoyed him but he didn't he if you'd asked him

00:39:16.440 to try and recite some of the history on magna carta tell us who simone demar ford was or what

00:39:20.760 the model parliament was about or you know identify and explain the significance of edward cook or even

00:39:26.040 about the rebellion against uh charles the first james the first and then of course uh charles the

00:39:31.480 second not really because he was too wise to push it to a breaking point and then the glorious

00:39:35.240 revolution against james the second i don't think that pierre trudeau could have told you any of

00:39:39.640 that stuff where sir john mcdonald could have recited it in his sleep and and i think that

00:39:45.720 this is just the problem when it comes to the canadian issue is that so much of it is we've

00:39:52.120 lost we've lost this understanding ourselves where we're actually a very large country with

00:39:55.560 with a very small population, and we don't merit a large government

00:39:58.840 because there wasn't really a lot of shenanigans to get up to in this country.

00:40:04.720 It's just too big and expansive.

00:40:06.360 We don't have the rest of the population the United States does.

00:40:10.180 Demographically, even, people who come to Canada want to come here,

00:40:13.120 yes, for freedom and for their own security,

00:40:16.220 but we don't have the legacy the United States does.

00:40:19.860 I find it very odd that Trudeau thought that we needed

00:40:23.600 to build an Americanized version of Canada.

00:40:26.840 I don't think it merited at the time.

00:40:28.160 I don't think it merits it now.

00:40:30.600 Well, yeah, though I don't think

00:40:31.480 it was really an Americanized version

00:40:32.980 because remember, Magna Carta

00:40:35.880 was the model for the American Constitution

00:40:38.360 of a document that stood above the legislature

00:40:40.500 and the executive and couldn't be changed by them.

00:40:43.440 And I don't, again,

00:40:44.200 I don't think it's to do with population or size.

00:40:45.780 Great Britain is very small

00:40:46.940 and was comparatively far more populated

00:40:49.500 in the 19th century,

00:40:50.560 though not by modern standards.

00:40:51.660 But, you know, the British government took under 10% of GDP. In the 19th century, there was no gun control in Britain, none whatsoever, and also vanishingly few gun murders. And, I mean, the British, they didn't just give the world parliamentary democracy, they also gave it the Industrial Revolution.

00:41:08.180 and your british culture in the 19th century charles dickens and so forth it was absolutely

00:41:14.480 dominant they didn't even have compulsory schooling until 1870 and yet they had the

00:41:20.020 most literate population in the world and again when english-speaking people came to canada and

00:41:25.240 then other immigrants came here we educated our children because that was just the thing you could 1.00

00:41:29.740 do and should do and again so the americans were modeled on the british government the american

00:41:34.000 government was intentionally very small their bill of rights doesn't have loopholes and again

00:41:39.240 trudeau didn't really want the notwithstanding clause that i understand was horse trading

00:41:42.400 but it's that lethal section one which was not apparently the focus of much debate but that is

00:41:48.140 a profound departure from the anglo-american tradition and by the way if you ever get to go

00:41:53.460 to the u.s capital and they have in the rotunda on the 200th anniversary of the revolutions in 1976

00:41:59.780 the British Parliament gave the Americans a gold replica of Magna Carta, which really was amounted

00:42:06.640 to saying, sorry about the George III, you were right, that you were the real champions of liberty

00:42:12.960 under law, and you taught us a lesson about our own system. But that whole tradition, as I say,

00:42:17.840 was just so alien to Peter Trudeau. He really was, you know, he wanted to be a philosopher king,

00:42:22.140 and his remark about MPs being nobody's 50 yards from Parliament Hill, and so his solution was to

00:42:27.020 them nobody's on parliament hill uh it's not that the decline of the back venture began under trudeau

00:42:31.900 it had been going on probably for 100 years including in britain um but it certainly was

00:42:36.380 a development that he cherished whereas the american system uh preserves a lot more independence

00:42:42.300 for whether it's congressmen and congresswomen but they are the heirs of britain's mps very very

00:42:47.500 expressly uh who still retain a great deal of independence from the executive and although

00:42:52.300 the american government is a grotesquely bloated thing as well now i mean the whole western world

00:42:56.220 has obsessively large governments um so it wasn't just trudeau trudeau was not the creator but the

00:43:02.700 rider of trends one of the funniest things about pierre trudeau is that he once said if there's

00:43:06.620 been any constant in my thought it's been opposition to received opinion and this is

00:43:11.020 a preposterous failure of self-awareness because if there's one constant in pure trudeau's thought

00:43:16.220 it is absolute conformity to prevailing trends you know in the 1930s he was uh living in quebec

00:43:22.380 He was sort of an anti-Semitic pacifist, and then he was into labor unions with a tinge of Marxism in the 40s and into the 50s,

00:43:31.740 and then he became a flower child, and then he became a big government guy in the 70s, and he was a peacenik in the early 80s.

00:43:41.100 It's just absolutely cookie cutter, like his son.

00:43:43.680 I mean, Justin Trudeau is not one to initiate an intellectual current, but he's certainly pushed around by them with no resistance.

00:43:52.380 Perhaps something we can touch on then while we have a little bit of time left is, is this question of residential schools and what has happened here? So obviously there's been some discoveries of unmarked grave sites, both in Kamloops and in Saskatchewan. I'm sure more announcements are going to be made in this area.

00:44:09.320 I believe that just another church was burned in Alberta.

00:44:13.760 We've had at least four churches burned in B.C.

00:44:17.640 This is getting a bit out of hand, to put it politely.

00:44:20.960 A politician's silence on this matter is deafening.

00:44:24.360 And it seems like the interpretation of what happened inside of residential school halls has taken a turn for the absurd,

00:44:31.600 as if somehow every single residential school was built to be Auschwitz.

00:44:35.320 Auschwitz. How did we get to this historical forgetfulness and amnesia?

00:44:41.060 The starting point is that the collision between Western European and Aboriginal cultures that took

00:44:48.980 place starting in the Renaissance was a historical disaster of enormous proportions that nobody could 0.55

00:44:55.700 have controlled or prevented. And the principal agent of destruction, of course, was the diseases

00:44:59.940 that Europeans carried having been living in urban civilizations for thousands of years and to which

00:45:06.180 the inhabitants of the Americas had no immunity and so something between 90 and 95 percent of all

00:45:12.300 the inhabitants of the Americas died within 100 years of the initial European contact we think

00:45:16.980 can't really tell and most of them without ever having seen a European but in the aftermath of

00:45:25.400 this some people and Sir John A. Macdonald is comparatively enlightened on this one he said to

00:45:29.200 himself if we don't do something to help these people adjust to the modern world that has

00:45:35.240 descended upon them like a ton of bricks they really will die out they will all perish and

00:45:40.760 we've got to we've got to teach them the fundamental skills that you need to function in the 19th

00:45:46.520 century for instance must teach them to read and write it is there's no way they're going to cope

00:45:51.160 if they can't we've got to give them some some sense of the structure and rhythm of modern life

00:45:54.900 you've got to teach them to farm. And so this was obviously a part of the disruption, but it wasn't

00:46:03.360 the cause of the disruption. It was a well-intentioned, though often badly executed

00:46:07.060 consequence. Now, nothing in my view justifies an unmarked grave. No matter what kind of life

00:46:12.940 a person has had, no matter under what circumstances they died, there should be a

00:46:17.360 headstone recording that they were a child of God and that this is where their mortal remains are

00:46:22.200 located. But we don't even know who is buried in those graves. There's some suggestion that these

00:46:28.000 may have been community graveyards as well as the place where students who died in the residential

00:46:34.100 schools were buried. And I remember one news story mentioned, the first discovery in Cambridge is over

00:46:39.700 200 and the next one's over 700. But the story said they think something like 3,000 children died in

00:46:45.320 the residential school system. And if that's true, then we found a quarter of them in two sites or

00:46:49.820 else those are not just places where children who died in residential schools were buried

00:46:55.340 and one of the things that we ought to do is figure out who's in those graves before i rush to

00:47:00.060 judgment and also to understand that if you set up a residential school and a sexual predator

00:47:06.140 uses it to their advantage then they of course have done something very evil and the administrators

00:47:11.980 let it happen have done something very evil but it doesn't mean that the people who created the

00:47:15.900 school system meant for that to happen or in some way aided and abetted it uh there is a

00:47:23.660 very powerful issue of personal responsibility here uh and so i i think that we have to

00:47:30.060 understand that and you know again it's very difficult to say this these days but there are

00:47:34.620 people who went to the residential schools who were grateful that they did and if you ask yourself

00:47:39.660 okay where would aboriginals in canada be today if there hadn't been residential schools suppose

00:47:44.300 this had not been done do you really think the situation would be enormously better and if you

00:47:49.100 start saying oh yes but this and that and that the other thing also should have changed and

00:47:51.980 columbus's ship should have sunk you know um or i would say well if the medieval war period hadn't

00:47:56.940 ended if the viking settlements um had actually survived there might have been a much more gradual

00:48:02.780 and less catastrophic uh meeting of the two cultures including on the epidemiological front

00:48:09.500 but you can't go back and change history in these ways it's preposterous to try

00:48:13.260 you have to say to yourself as you as you raise it was this like the nazis was this really an

00:48:18.060 attempt to exterminate a people or was this a well-meaning uh underfunded often botched and

00:48:25.180 sometimes patronizing an even bigoted attempt to bring the blessings of western civilization to

00:48:30.380 people who if they didn't get some kind of help were actually in very serious danger of perishing

00:48:36.060 entirely from the face of the earth and if you see it that way it's like the whole question of

00:48:40.540 of Canada? Is it a flawed but well-meaning experiment with a lot to recommend it, including

00:48:46.560 the fact that now we are looking back at the history of our treatment of Aboriginal peoples

00:48:50.360 and saying, what a nightmare that was. How do we fix it? As opposed to, you know, the Chinese thing 1.00

00:48:54.760 of saying, dare to criticize the great Xi Jinping and you will vanish horribly. If we can't see

00:49:00.900 that we're not perfect, but we are trying to acknowledge and fix what we can of the past,

00:49:09.380 improve the present and not pretend to have virtues we didn't have or get hysterical about

00:49:14.960 the failings of people in the past because one of the things that I really dislike about this

00:49:19.140 general atmosphere is people who act as though if only I'd been around in the 19th century nothing

00:49:23.740 bad would have happened you know I and I don't look at especially you know and I just set fire

00:49:28.020 to a church right well if you're a church burner you're probably not the one to lead the

00:49:32.580 reconciliation effort um and none of this is to minimize the tragedy of course it's important to

00:49:37.780 find all the graves and see who's buried in them and find out what happened. But it is to recognize

00:49:42.380 the world of difference between a well-meaning attempt to bring people into the modern world

00:49:47.860 who are going to be in it or get crushed by it for reasons you couldn't control, and an attempt

00:49:52.240 to exterminate a people because you were a hate-filled racist Heinrich Himmler Canadian 0.78

00:49:58.820 version. And indeed, this is where things get off to an absolutely insane start with how we've

00:50:05.840 reinterpreted these these instances the only thing that is that is more absurd in a sense than what's

00:50:11.360 happened here with and politicians being silent on the church burnings and still this complete lack

00:50:17.100 of context what happened in residential schools is the fact that parliament seems to be absent

00:50:21.260 in general if nothing else what the pandemic seems to have proved to us is is actually uh the people

00:50:26.960 in charge are nobodies everywhere whether they're on zoom or in parliament i don't know if the

00:50:33.660 government of canada functions anymore i don't know if the government canada exists i know that

00:50:37.800 there's some press conferences every now and again from our part from our you know prime minister

00:50:41.740 and then he goes off to davos and whatever i think if nothing else the disconnect between people and

00:50:48.000 the outrage that people feel towards our national government on this eve of our dominion day canada

00:50:53.240 day if you like is is palpable it feels like the people in charge are not driving the bus

00:51:00.200 Well, certainly the parliamentarians are not.

00:51:02.420 And again, to recall the history, after Magna Carta, there were a number of efforts,

00:51:06.240 starting with bad King John, who as soon as he'd sealed the thing, went around and tried to destroy it.

00:51:10.600 There were a number of efforts culminating with the stewards and just trying to ride roughshod over parliament.

00:51:14.660 And it didn't work.

00:51:15.740 And then under the Hannavers, and this is what triggered the American Revolution, 0.99

00:51:19.840 it occurred to the executive that instead of that, they could seduce parliament by perks, by privilege, by flattery,

00:51:27.800 by outright bribery if they needed it, they could keep the form of parliament, but turn it into a

00:51:33.080 tame appendage of the executive. And this came fairly close to succeeding. And then after the

00:51:39.240 American Revolution, there was a real revulsion in Britain against this process. But then it

00:51:43.340 started again. And when you look at it, it's a kind of technical thing. But if you look at what

00:51:47.740 proportion of a typical governing caucus now are actually in cabinet. So why we have all these

00:51:52.680 parliamentary assistants and secretaries of state is so that a great portion of the dominant faction

00:51:58.720 in parliament is actually part of the executive branch. And its job is not to hold the executive

00:52:04.440 branch accountable. It's to make sure that the executive branch has all the power so when they

00:52:08.720 slither up the greasy pole, they'll have it. And this is a grave distortion of our system, but it 0.53

00:52:12.980 can only be corrected if people start to understand it. And if government's going to have the ambitious

00:52:17.480 agenda that it's had since the 70s, I don't think anything can be done because they're passing

00:52:21.640 hundreds and hundreds of pages of legislation every year and they can't slow it down long

00:52:26.040 enough to read it and then they delegate to the bureaucracy makes tens of thousands of pages of

00:52:31.480 regulation so you have this arbitrary kaleidoscopic incomprehensible law which is the antithesis of

00:52:37.580 liberty well no I shouldn't put it that strongly it is not liberty as we used to have it it's not

00:52:41.900 like Xi Jinping or Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin but if we if we stop could stop thinking that

00:52:47.720 government exists to protect us from ourselves and understand that while government exists to

00:52:52.400 protect us from force and fraud, parliament exists to protect us from the presumption of the

00:52:56.880 executive and to some extent the judiciary. Then we could start to reconstruct our country,

00:53:02.040 whatever it is, on grounds that would be genuine cause for pride. And that I think is the big

00:53:07.040 project going forward, is to recapture our understanding of what government can do,

00:53:12.720 what it can't do and how it has to do it uh and i'll end with the biblical story you know when

00:53:17.900 christ is asked if it's uh okay to pay taxes and he says bring me a coin whose head is it a caesar

00:53:23.600 and then he says render unto caesar the things that are caesar's and unto god the things that

00:53:28.000 are gods and at the same time that this gives a higher status to affairs of conscience and the

00:53:33.800 heart as stephen langton was the archbishop of canterbury's the main mover of magna carta

00:53:37.760 It gives government a subordinate task that it is capable of doing to maintain order, to prevent fraud, to carry out public works.

00:53:48.860 And regimes where they ask the government to play God end up in sordid failure because that is a task beyond the power of government.

00:53:55.800 And it brings disgrace upon government as well as indignity upon the subjects.

00:53:59.820 But if you limit government to a legitimate sphere, then politics can be an honorable profession and government can be a noble activity.

00:54:07.760 not perfect, I have no illusions here, but we would like our governments much more if we didn't ask

00:54:12.900 them to do things they're necessarily not only going to botch, but botch in dismal ways.

00:54:19.260 And indeed, we have the prototypical model of government becoming God and all of those things

00:54:25.300 being one. We have that in Egypt, and we exited from Egypt, if I recall that biblical story

00:54:31.100 correctly, because it was slavery to be under such a regime. Yeah, and Augustus Caesar called

00:54:36.380 himself the savior of the universal human race the showdown between christ and seizure was very much

00:54:42.100 uh this contest again and again you see it in you know communist regimes where stalin's going to

00:54:47.840 make a new soviet man he's going to do a new adam and a new eve and get it right this time

00:54:52.720 and when government gets these presumptions and in islamic states like in saudi arabia where the

00:54:57.380 quran is the constitution and they deny that there's any problem of interpretation what you

00:55:02.800 get isn't a noble wreck it's a squalid one and uh so i i think yes we must understand and you know

00:55:10.680 if i may tell the story of king canute because everybody thinks ah yuck yuck he was some arrogant

00:55:16.020 character who thought he could stop the tides but the real story of canute is that his advisors told

00:55:21.040 him he was so great in such a favor of god that he could do this and he said really let's test

00:55:25.480 that empirically and take my chair down to the mudflats at low tide he sat in it and then of

00:55:30.600 Of course, the waters came up and poured into his boots when he commanded them to halt.

00:55:35.100 And then he stood up and he turned to his advisors and he said, listen, you fools, I don't need flattery from you characters.

00:55:40.060 I get it morning, noon and night. I'm the king.

00:55:41.940 I need you to tell me honestly what I can't do.

00:55:44.740 I need you to point out when I'm making a mistake, because how else can I govern these people in the manner they deserve?

00:55:50.240 And he added, do not forget that there is only one who can rule the tides, and that is God.

00:55:54.680 And that's the kind of ruler we need again.

00:55:58.160 a man who wants to be told his failings who understands his limitations and respects that

00:56:03.700 there are powers greater than himself and if we had that we'd be governed a lot differently but

00:56:08.060 again we do still elect our parliament so if we want different government we've got to start by

00:56:12.680 voting differently than we do amen well thank you so much of course we have john robson here

00:56:18.540 who is a columnist of the national post and actually i must admit where are you a professor

00:56:23.320 I'm an adjunct professor at Augustine College, which is a very small private Christian organization

00:56:28.320 in Ottawa, to which anyone who is concerned about the Babylon of a modern university

00:56:32.760 should consider either attending or sending their children or grandchildren for a one-year

00:56:37.240 comprehensive program that will help to prepare them to meet the world and be in the world without 0.73

00:56:43.120 being of it. A proper liberal arts education. Amen. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining us. I

00:56:49.640 hope to have you on again soon it's been a pleasure and i'd like that absolutely we'll see you again

00:56:54.300 soon well we're uh going straight over to uh paul hinman and we're going to talk about independence

00:57:04.840 on the eve of canada day or dominion day or what's not going to be called either of those

00:57:10.620 things anymore welcome to the program paul thanks nathan it's an honor to be here appreciate the

00:57:15.640 work you're doing well appreciate uh you contributing to the show what let's start

00:57:21.340 from the top what got you involved with the question of uh the wild rose party and of course

00:57:27.040 the the movements it was making in its first iteration and now as it attempts to kind of

00:57:31.700 assert itself as the sovereignty party okay when you said first iteration i wasn't sure where you're

00:57:37.220 wanting to start but but it actually goes back to 1999 then um i was very disgusted with the

00:57:44.060 provincial government and their so-called deregulation of electrical power and they

00:57:49.940 just oligopolized it and created a monster that was very disappointing and

00:57:54.760 and actually I got to go back before that my grandfather took me to my first

00:58:00.040 social credit AGM when I was 14 years old he says oh I'm getting too old to

00:58:05.400 drive and I got an opportunity to get off the farm and work for a day and so

00:58:09.760 my grandfather, since I was 14, you know, some, I don't know, 50 years ago almost, I've been

00:58:16.340 going to AGMs. And so I was with the social credit, infighting started there, ended up trying

00:58:23.060 to start the Alberta First Party. We gathered signatures and got that going in 2000. That,

00:58:29.880 again, infighting came in and became a problem. So I joined Randy Thorsingson with the Alberta

00:58:37.200 alliance got elected in 2004 that what's always pushed me and then what I fought for is for

00:58:43.840 freedom big government authoritarianism the problems that government imposes on individuals

00:58:51.060 the intrusion it's just always frustrated me I'm a free thinker I'm a lover of freedom

00:58:56.460 but I'm a big believer in personal accountability you know we're personally accountable for

00:59:01.280 our health care we're personally accountable for our safety we're personally accountable for our

00:59:05.440 well-being and how we make a living. And I just see government at odds at that for most of my

00:59:11.440 life. And so it's been very frustrating. And I grew up with my grandfather. He was the provincial

00:59:18.200 treasurer for Ernest C. Manning. And so we just talk government around the table. And again,

00:59:23.920 whatever environment you grow up in, you think that that's just normal. And he gave me books

00:59:28.280 when I was young to read. And he'd talk about economics and talk about the rule of law and

00:59:33.900 the supremacy of god and constitutions and those are all these things that i grew up and conversed

00:59:39.980 with my grandfather on a constant basis and didn't know any better and so i've just been deeply

00:59:45.300 involved in politics since i was 14 basically and indeed indeed i'm sorry i i might be echoing on

00:59:56.000 your end do you have a set of headphones i do that can work too do i need to put them on you

01:00:02.220 might have to yeah just in case there's an echo

01:00:17.580 there we are okay that working better yeah it's definitely working a lot better

01:00:24.140 so i i think i think that kind of as a starting place

01:00:27.660 And what happens out West here is that, and I think this is hard for people in the East to understand.

01:00:36.060 So in the West, there's just a lot closer proximity to the realities of the hard work that it takes to make a nation run.

01:00:44.280 The food, the fuel, the primary resources that make for industrialized societies, niceties elsewhere.

01:00:52.560 And it sounds like that's kind of the background that you came from.

01:00:55.500 obviously in the farming industry and in agriculture without farmers there is no food

01:01:01.840 and and that basic reality that basic reality pervades all of your life philosophy all the time

01:01:08.540 and for someone in the city or especially someone in the city of toronto far away from where their

01:01:13.940 food comes from they don't seem to connect the dots here do you think a lot of the differences

01:01:19.040 between west and east are based in this that in the west we're just closer to the reality of where

01:01:24.720 where the sausage gets made and they they get to eat the sausage without seeing where where it

01:01:29.920 comes from nathan that that's an excellent point i speak of it all the time i often speak of grade

01:01:36.680 six science kids getting together to make the world a better place um they just went out to

01:01:42.480 a chicken farm and they're coming back and they stop at mcdonald's and they buy a couple of big

01:01:47.860 bags of chicken mcnuggets and they sit around the table and i just think how terrible all that was

01:01:53.040 of those chickens and everything else and we're going to make the world a better place we're

01:01:56.640 going to ban chickens um i i just think the disconnect in today's people especially eastern 0.89

01:02:03.620 canada it's just shocking like they they bite the hand that feeds it if not they want to cut

01:02:10.360 off the hand that feeds it you know that where their energy comes from you know where they just

01:02:15.240 are are totally disconnected in my opinion from the reality of life and and if they aren't then

01:02:21.320 then they're the biggest hypocrites on the earth i mean i i remember going to one function at the

01:02:26.840 u of eight where there was a bunch of these young um i don't know what you want to call them yeah

01:02:33.400 young environmentalists there uh that was was supporting microdima and i went there and i i

01:02:39.880 was just shocked and i was talking with andrew leach afterwards said oh paul you don't want to

01:02:43.720 talk with these people like they really live the life i says andrew are you kidding me look at the

01:02:48.520 clothes they've got on you know they're polyester they're they're they're based on petroleum

01:02:53.400 products look at the apple computer and the aluminum they've got and I says and and he says

01:02:57.640 oh but they don't have any furniture I says but they're living in a concrete building they're

01:03:01.540 using a natural gas to heat it and anyways after about a two or three minute discussion with Andrew

01:03:06.560 Leach says you know I've never really thought of all those things yeah go ahead and go talk to

01:03:10.320 those people but the fact of the matter is nobody talks to them and the realities I remember one day

01:03:16.580 there was a bunch of environmentalists outside petitioning Prime Minister Harper's office which

01:03:22.580 was right across from mine in Calgary Glenmore and I went out and I talked to them and you know

01:03:27.380 they'd come in electric vehicles and they wanted you know windmills and I says like do you know

01:03:32.600 where the rare earth minerals and the products come to make a windmill and how much cement you

01:03:38.860 need and again the full cycle cost no that's our biggest problem is the propaganda that people have

01:03:45.820 been given and they think that everything just comes from the grocery store and it's in the back

01:03:50.360 there and and they just need to come up a little bit more money and they can go buy it and so when

01:03:54.260 that disconnect that they don't want our oil but they'll take it from saudi arabia or venezuela or

01:03:59.800 nigeria or something you know and they don't want our they don't want our beef these people really 1.00

01:04:04.860 are disconnected from from the reality of life and and it's painful you know it's the other side of

01:04:13.520 that painful reality is that i so my parents got into farming very late in life uh up here in

01:04:19.180 british columbia i'm broadcasting to you from prince george british columbia bc's northern capital

01:04:23.260 and we uh we're not so far away from town we're about a 30 minute drive one way but still in a

01:04:29.860 rural part of the world but but even even as we you know have to deal with the distance of victoria

01:04:35.240 let alone ottawa but but how victoria has chosen to rule on on secondary residences and and the

01:04:42.100 ALR interferes and things like all these things were built in order to help farmers do what they

01:04:47.440 need to do. But but some of them have become hindrances, right, let alone the assessment

01:04:52.540 authority when it comes to BC and what is or isn't residential lakeside, even if there's nothing on

01:04:57.260 it. I'm getting into a tangent there. But again, I feel like I feel like I connect with you prairie

01:05:02.540 boys on this in a couple of different ways, just because now that I have to deal with these reams

01:05:06.580 of reams and layers of government, I just sit there and go, I don't I don't understand what

01:05:11.220 these guys are talking about like i and i i have to do it all on the side of my desk i'm not i'm

01:05:15.560 not monsanto i don't have i don't have a you know 15 lawyers and 20 accountants to deal with this

01:05:20.520 stuff i have to talk to revenue canada i have to talk to statistics canada i have to talk to the

01:05:24.480 alr it what has gone wrong here in the mentality of of people in canada that that they think that

01:05:32.180 more government's always the answer how how could they possibly conclude that well i'll start on

01:05:38.060 two delusional thoughts the first one is is that uh alberta government um took away uh what would

01:05:44.080 i want to say government grants to sports uh facilities and to like diving clubs and hockey

01:05:49.540 clubs anything else and they they created the the um gambling casinos and bingo halls and everything

01:05:56.060 else and so anybody who wanted to to get um help in in their extracurricular sports or whatever

01:06:02.960 you want for your town but you had to go and participate with gambling and i was always

01:06:07.060 amazed when I went to the bingo casinos and doing that that everybody who went

01:06:11.260 in there said that oh no they're ahead we know mathematically that the money's

01:06:16.300 coming out that less is rewarded than goes in but everybody believes that and

01:06:20.380 so the second point I want to make is this idea of human nature is that we

01:06:25.320 love to take the easiest path pathway it's just human nature if there's one

01:06:29.820 way and they say oh you can walk along here there's an escalator and it'll get

01:06:33.300 you upstairs you can go there or you can walk this way but you're gonna have to

01:06:36.580 climb a ladder to get up oh my goodness that's too much work and we can do that and so what

01:06:41.940 government specializes in in my opinion socialist government is that we're going to provide

01:06:47.520 something for you to make your life easier and and we don't you know have the cognitive

01:06:52.780 connection to realize that this really isn't so that there's only one taxpayer it's us

01:06:59.220 we can have in our constitution allows for the divide and conquer that the majority can vote

01:07:04.480 to tax the minority. They can vote to spend it where they want. And that's what government

01:07:09.140 does. They specialize in redistribution of wealth and getting people to vote to give them something

01:07:17.780 because Alberta is going to pay for it. Don't worry about it. Vote for us. We'll get Alberta 0.91

01:07:21.760 to pay for it. And we've got a very divisive system that allows to put one organization

01:07:28.140 against another, one geographic area against another, one industry against another.

01:07:33.540 and just huge government interference that's to our demise, in my opinion.

01:07:37.840 We need to have the free market.

01:07:39.440 We need to have those entrepreneurs who are willing to risk and lose what they've worked hard for.

01:07:44.280 But instead, it's always protection.

01:07:46.280 Oh, no, we'll coddle you. 0.99

01:07:47.540 We'll look after you.

01:07:48.420 Don't worry.

01:07:49.000 Government's here for your benefit.

01:07:51.280 Oh, we know what's best for your children.

01:07:53.000 Oh, we know what's best for your health care.

01:07:54.740 And people were inherently, I want to use the term lazy when somebody presents something for free.

01:08:03.120 and i just see that destroying us and that's what this great reset is about for me it is that let's

01:08:08.720 promise them that they'll own nothing but they're going to be thrilled with it they won't have the

01:08:12.320 responsibility of a mortgage don't want to look around the world it's never worked folks but yet

01:08:17.200 that enticement oh it's that snake oil salesman is really slippery and something yeah i i mean the

01:08:25.200 the new road to serfdom is paved with uh with pandemic policy i suppose it truly

01:08:32.560 this is perhaps you could speak to us on this question in particular that it does seem that

01:08:39.120 it doesn't matter who you vote for they come back representing ottawa to you they come back

01:08:44.800 representing edmonton to you they come back representing your mayor and council to you

01:08:49.840 So you have an insurgent mentality.

01:08:52.440 You've had enough.

01:08:54.380 This needs to stop.

01:08:55.620 We have to do something.

01:08:56.860 We can't keep paying for this.

01:08:58.220 My kids can't afford this.

01:08:59.580 My kids can't afford a house. 0.93

01:09:01.300 Foreign money is destroying the market. 0.97

01:09:03.020 I can't get in to see a doctor because there aren't enough doctors.

01:09:05.740 It doesn't matter what it is.

01:09:07.160 Every issue seems bananas and you can't fix it.

01:09:10.820 So then you find a guy who says he'll fix it and we got to get him elected.

01:09:14.380 You get him elected.

01:09:15.480 And the next day you find out that he doesn't really believe what he said he believed.

01:09:19.840 and when is that going to stop when are we going to stop having that football ripped away from us

01:09:24.880 how how come it doesn't seem like our politicians are even in charge anymore or even listening

01:09:30.080 in 2023 when albertans elect the wild rose uh independence party and i'm the leader

01:09:35.520 that's when it will stop in 2008 i tried to bring forward recall legislation and and again we we

01:09:42.960 will be successful i believe in 2023 but the question is is is will the majority then want

01:09:48.960 to vote to take away from the minority again because i i will believe and we will pass our 0.98

01:09:54.160 first bill will be one on accountability through recall and openness um and again the power always

01:10:00.160 needs to reside in the people and the only way you do that is with recall and the recall that

01:10:04.560 that's plausible for for me it's 50 plus one of the total number of people who vote in the last

01:10:11.360 election if you had 20 000 people vote you need 10 000 and one signatures and you need to do that

01:10:17.120 over a four-month period. I don't know if you've seen Premier Kenny's insult of a recall bill for

01:10:23.680 MLAs, but that mentality, it comes from the top down and the totalitarian, the authoritarian,

01:10:32.540 the arrogance. I always say that when somebody gets elected, more often than not, their head

01:10:39.180 size doubled and their intelligence doubled. The day before, you're so important and you're so

01:10:44.000 wise you can choose them but the day after you're you're a nobody now now they're elite kings they're

01:10:49.840 aristocrats that are there placed by god to make your life better they're going to look after it 0.99

01:10:54.880 and so it has to start there's two things that we need one we need accountability and to me

01:11:01.280 that the constitution is is really the building block the fundamental guidance of a country and

01:11:08.520 And ours starts out really well, that we recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law.

01:11:15.620 And that's what you need to do.

01:11:17.880 And you need to base it on that.

01:11:19.020 And then there's two things that need to be in that constitution.

01:11:22.400 Number one is accountability through recall.

01:11:24.640 And the second one is limits on the size and the scope of government.

01:11:28.380 And we don't have any in the Canadian constitution.

01:11:31.100 The Americans don't have anything that limits it.

01:11:34.060 And the third thing to put in there to limit the size and scope of government, one is just

01:11:39.120 like for me, is that no government can tax anybody, any entity over 25 percent.

01:11:45.820 That's it.

01:11:46.820 And so once the taxation level has hit 25 percent, there's nothing more the government

01:11:51.220 can't tax more because the constitution forbids it.

01:11:55.040 And the other one is that you have to have balanced budgets.

01:11:57.860 I don't care where you are on the spectrum, just balance the budget.

01:12:01.180 If you want to spend all of your money on art and something else, that's fine.

01:12:05.700 But that means that you've compromised, whether it's your transportation, your health care or something else.

01:12:11.520 But you have to balance the budget. And if you haven't balanced it, the next year it goes up.

01:12:15.980 You know, in 2015, when Trudeau promised only a 10 billion dollar deficit, I think it only came in at 11.

01:12:22.200 So that was impressive. But he didn't have to raise taxes the next year to balance his budget.

01:12:28.040 And can you imagine where we would be if historically we had to balance the budget?

01:12:33.380 They wouldn't have spent $350 billion back-to-back years.

01:12:36.900 Alberta wouldn't have spent $20, $30 billion back-to-back years.

01:12:40.680 And so, to me, it goes back to the problem of the Constitution, which allows tyranny of the majority.

01:12:46.880 And we have to stop that kind of absurd behavior and giving that power and authority to elected people is my humble opinion on that, Nathan.

01:12:55.700 No, I hear you. I hear you.

01:12:57.600 It's an interesting thing with the point of taxation.

01:13:00.940 It's an interesting thing with the point of taxation.

01:13:04.900 I think, am I delayed?

01:13:06.700 Are you getting me live?

01:13:08.720 I am, but there is back feed there bad, but it's dissipated now, so go ahead.

01:13:14.700 So I think that the issue there, though, is that when it comes to taxation, that sort of thing,

01:13:19.640 and maybe this is getting into the minutiae policy,

01:13:22.160 I must admit, I must admit I'm a consumption tax guy who's also completely who's completely against sin taxes.

01:13:29.340 I hate sin taxes. They're just a tax on the poor.

01:13:32.120 And and and so so I keep arguing for this, but it's funny because all my friends from Alberta, of course, think that PST is Satan.

01:13:41.000 Right. They're just like that's it's hell on wheels and you can't have that.

01:13:44.480 And I just sat there and I was like, you know what?

01:13:46.140 if rachel notley when she decided to raise taxes had simply installed a pst all of alberta's 0.96

01:13:52.840 financial problems would have been solved and she wouldn't have had to raise income but as it is she

01:13:56.300 started to create a progressive income tax system inside of alberta and as far as i know that's not

01:14:00.680 been redacted no no well you know that was funny because jason promised a summer of repeal

01:14:06.680 the only thing that i know that he actually repealed was the carbon tax which he knew

01:14:11.140 that then i'm just going to be put on federally if we didn't do it ourselves and so it's kind of

01:14:15.560 ridiculous mute action. But the problem is with Albertans is that they're already heavily taxed

01:14:22.760 and no government actually talks and says, we're going to eliminate income tax and we're going to

01:14:27.260 go to a consumption tax. I mean, when you go down to South Dakota and Governor Noam,

01:14:34.660 I think they only have a consumption tax. And I've forgotten off the top of my head, but

01:14:40.140 jurisdictions do well. Jack Mintz has written lots on this and said that if you're going to compete

01:14:45.460 with the world, you need a consumption tax. And I just think there's nothing more insulting to

01:14:49.960 a laborer, a worker, an employee, that then right off the top, your income's taken away. That no,

01:14:57.560 how can you save? Okay, we'll give you an RRSP and reduce some. But no, probably the best and

01:15:04.580 most effective way of helping people get out of their situation is by allowing them to keep all

01:15:12.120 of their money and then deciding whether they're getting taxed. And then that consumption tax

01:15:17.040 really is a leveler of the field. But people have to be assured that, you know, all the other taxes

01:15:23.740 are going away. You can't have, you know, a consumption tax on top of your income tax and

01:15:29.020 your property taxes and, you know, all your sin taxes and your gasoline tax. And it just goes on

01:15:35.560 and on and on. And again, it's the old saying that we're literally taxed and regulated to death

01:15:40.580 to where we can't compete in the world and families can't have a decent house and a vehicle

01:15:47.200 and everything else and make a living. I mean, when you look at the regulations and the taxes

01:15:51.340 just on building a new home, it's unbelievable how much. I mean, I've heard Michael Campbell

01:15:56.320 talk in BC and it was like $100,000, $150,000 increased costs on houses out there because of

01:16:03.540 their rules, regulations and taxes. And people don't realize that this pain that's being inflicted

01:16:09.360 on us is from government and and from special interest groups that are getting you know special

01:16:15.700 treatment in the tax code and everything else and it's just it's it goes against i want to say

01:16:20.960 peace and prosperity yeah peace order and good government in any case yes yes the thing that's

01:16:28.680 mind-boggling to me is that somehow the somehow the logic never squares on their side and that

01:16:34.720 means and that's any statist um you know i i'm a conservative i'm not a libertarian it's one of

01:16:39.820 those interesting differences actually i keep running into it more and more especially especially

01:16:43.260 my conversations with some of the alberta boys that i that i deal with through the show um and

01:16:47.840 this isn't a denigration of alberta by any means but it just it's funny because i like i'm a

01:16:52.000 conservative i'm not a libertarian and that that keeps coming up in some of the conflicts i have

01:16:57.460 internally uh over here sometimes but but the funny thing that that strikes me is that when

01:17:04.020 you are talking to anybody that's that's more statist in any respect they they somehow can't

01:17:09.840 square the circle that well what if everybody really had that third of their check back you

01:17:14.960 tell them it's like no what if like because i don't even calculate if someone told me tomorrow

01:17:18.480 like i'm gonna pay you 50 an hour it's like well uh i'm just gonna take 50 and the times it by 0.66

01:17:24.140 and that's my actual wage and i wouldn't even and and you know i'm literally engaged to someone

01:17:30.180 from the CRA, GST, thank God.

01:17:34.320 But still, the joke is that she's a numbers person, right?

01:17:39.120 So she'd be like, well, that's not exactly precise.

01:17:40.740 I'm like, I don't care because it's not about being precise.

01:17:44.800 It's like, I lose a third of my check.

01:17:47.060 Even at the lowest income level, I lose a third of my check.

01:17:50.620 And I'm sitting there, I'm going, imagine if you just gave that third back

01:17:54.720 and we didn't play a horse training game with the income side of CRA

01:17:59.400 at the end of the year and and in april and and you just let people have that and what if it was

01:18:04.800 a one-stop shop what if consumption you know i guess a little bias there i'm happy to let my

01:18:09.340 beloved keep her side of of her bureaucracy um but it but it but the thing is that what if what 1.00

01:18:15.240 if it really was a one-stop shop that's the thing with consumption is it's so efficient it just takes

01:18:19.200 it off the top and it goes it's gone like it's it's gone like that's it there's no there's no

01:18:24.340 horse trading at the end of the year it's no no it's like no you you paid and you spent and it's

01:18:28.860 gone. And you talk to people who are statists about this, like, what if it was what if it was

01:18:33.380 even a little bit higher consumption tax, but there was zero income tax? And they sit there

01:18:37.420 and go, no, there's no way we could fund the government that I'm like, it's the same amount

01:18:41.840 of money. I don't understand what you're saying. It's a closed system. There isn't more money

01:18:47.140 coming into Canada from some foreign printing source. Like, this is how much money there is in

01:18:51.880 Canada. Like, it's a bizarre discussion. Well, it is. And again, in the whole taxation thing that

01:18:57.980 we never talk about is the velocity of money very very seldom talked about but every time

01:19:03.140 you know that money's coming out um it's removed out of the system for taxes your income tax

01:19:08.660 and then that velocity but no it's incredible to see when money's being moved around uh quick

01:19:15.300 how far a hundred dollars can go if it's going from one one place to the next better shut that

01:19:20.860 off so it doesn't ring here sorry but no it's not a problem it it is it's fascinating but it goes

01:19:26.880 back to that disconnect of where our food comes from, where our clothing comes from, where our

01:19:31.260 energy comes from. And it's the same thing that the disconnect on where our taxes actually come

01:19:36.740 from. And this thought that, wow, we could actually afford to pay for our schooling or pay for our

01:19:43.500 university or pay for our health care. Oh, it'd be impossible. But again, there's that disconnect

01:19:49.340 on the real cost of a lot of these things. And like I say, you can buy into, you know, different

01:19:55.740 uh co-ops or programs or whatnot but no most people that they everybody's like going to that

01:20:01.340 bingo hall everybody else thinks someone else is the loser that they they lost but i'm ahead

01:20:05.580 and and that's just the general concept i find with people is that oh no i i get more than than

01:20:11.020 i pay um in my taxes and um no i don't think that we do we get less once it goes into that government

01:20:18.700 pocket. The efficiency is just out the window. And then all of the ideas, the programs that they

01:20:26.940 come up with, the schemes they come up with, with the grants they come up with, it's just,

01:20:31.100 it blows your mind. And again, they're dysfunctional. And it doesn't allow, you know,

01:20:36.300 even a mayor in a town to do what he needs. I remember when I first went up and visited with

01:20:41.620 the mayor of Peace River. And they just, I mean, Northern Alberta has a tough time with paved

01:20:46.960 roads and the frost heave and the moisture that it's up there and and they need to spend different

01:20:52.960 amounts um but they just petitioned and petitioned the provincial government saying look we we need

01:20:58.080 grant money to fix our potholes nope nope nope nope nope finally you know they they compromised

01:21:04.080 the other areas spent tens of millions of dollars to upgrade the road only to have the next year the

01:21:10.080 government come and say, oh, gosh, my hometown, whoever that MLA is or whatever, needs the roads

01:21:17.200 paved and upgraded. So we're going to set up a provincial grant for potholes and road maintenance.

01:21:23.340 But does Peace River get any? No. Same thing happened with infrastructure for sewage and water. 0.52

01:21:28.240 You can go town after town and see those that made the sacrifices and do it. And then finally,

01:21:33.580 it gets to the hometown of where these elected people are from. Oh, my goodness, we need to have

01:21:39.260 a provincial grant and so you might have one town that has compromised almost everything to pay for

01:21:45.420 their infrastructure only to see three years later that the town 15 miles down the road get five

01:21:51.240 million dollars to upgrade their infrastructure and the other one gets nothing in return and all

01:21:56.040 of those things of big government managing and and saying who the money goes to and where and when

01:22:01.780 it is just not in the best interest of our people and and the failures just show up time and time

01:22:08.700 again is very frustrating for those who have paid and then see the next people following behind not

01:22:14.600 have to pay and they've taken on a debt a municipal bond or whatever it is to to compromise that and

01:22:21.000 then they say well gosh that conservatism isn't good look what they did they paid their way and

01:22:26.360 now look how far they're in debt and what they don't have whereas those people who spent and

01:22:30.820 waited and waited for government grants look at the benefit they get and we've we've literally

01:22:35.140 raised a couple of generations of that to to wait till government gives a grant before we do

01:22:40.820 something because if you pay for it on your own um you're going to miss out when the grant money

01:22:45.000 comes and and indeed it becomes a rentier system a clientele system uh the the expert party at this

01:22:53.740 of course is the liberal party of canada who who created a level of clientelism that would make

01:22:59.760 you know, the, the, the bourbons of France, you know, giddy. It's, it's incredible. It's

01:23:05.920 incredible. And it is, it does seem so much of, maybe that is the difference of the post-war

01:23:10.860 room boom to today is that our economy seems to be rentier base. It doesn't appear to be

01:23:16.200 innovative or develop, have development. It doesn't appear to be based in kind of like good

01:23:21.280 deals in the exempt market or something in that, and like innovation. And then like, let's go build

01:23:25.340 this thing and let's develop this resource or let's facilitate this new way of doing things

01:23:30.460 it's not new development it's buy some property and find somebody to rent it from you buy buy

01:23:36.280 buy a rundown home over over bidding on it that what a first-time home buyer could afford

01:23:42.300 take it from them where it should be and then create another rentier system put them inside

01:23:48.080 of it and let them rent it from you there is no it's not an economy of growth it's an economy of

01:23:52.540 stratification, because I think a large amount of it does have to do with regulation. And again,

01:23:57.280 you're missing that third off your check all the time. You got to make a very high check

01:24:00.680 to have that third not hit you the same way anymore. No, it's just an almost overwhelming

01:24:09.080 problem for most people now. It's an economic trap that they can't get out of.

01:24:14.420 Absolutely. Let's pivot now to the question of independence itself. So obviously,

01:24:20.340 wild rose independence party uh it's in the name it's in the title the question of sovereignty is

01:24:26.460 always a always a bit of an interesting one i myself must admit that i am ambivalent on this

01:24:32.000 question i am maybe what you could call a situational sovereignty i guess i i like the

01:24:38.540 idea of canada i like where we were founded i like john a mcdonald i like canada up until about

01:24:44.520 trudeau and pearson take over and ruin the place and and they've ruined it for the last 50

01:24:49.960 60 years. And I'm really tired of how they've ruined it. So if there's a better solution

01:24:55.320 moving forward, I'll probably back that up. But I'm also a monarchist. And I kind of like what

01:25:01.120 we have in that Westminster and monarchical heritage, the British heritage that we have

01:25:07.500 as a country. But I turn to you now and go, what would independence even look like? What does it

01:25:12.740 mean? What does it mean to try and tell Ottawa, no, you know what, you don't have a right to

01:25:17.020 everything all the time at a whim this is a democracy and you need to back off and and again

01:25:22.780 it's not just as a democracy it's supposed to be a constitutional democracy that recognizes the

01:25:27.580 supremacy of god and the rule of law not the rule of trudeau not not the rule of pearson not the rule

01:25:34.240 of chretchen it is the rule of law and and again the their just total disregard for that and even

01:25:41.700 the Supreme Court with their decision-making now that policy trumps Constitution. I mean,

01:25:47.760 it's just alarming. And so I want to go back and talk about independence as an individual.

01:25:53.320 When we're young, we think that we know it all. And I always use the example of the teenager in

01:25:59.500 the basement and mom calls up and say, supper's ready. And he comes upstairs and what's for

01:26:04.700 supper? Oh, it's just macaroni and cheese. That's gross. I'm not eating that. Where's the credit

01:26:08.860 card where's the keys to the car I'm going out to buy supper I'm not going to eat that garbage

01:26:13.880 and and they hand them the keys they give them a credit card and there's gas in the car and off

01:26:18.740 they go to eat oh we're sorry didn't mean to disappoint you that that's not independence

01:26:23.040 independence is where you you have a job you can you bought a house you've got vehicles you have

01:26:30.840 that revenue coming in and you make the decisions on how and where you want to spend it and not

01:26:36.420 having to to go to your parents and and in canada because of the taxation sense system and being

01:26:42.980 centralized uh we we send all of our money out there pretty much you know huge percentage of it

01:26:49.220 and then we beg for it to come back and they just laugh that oh you didn't get any lunch money today

01:26:54.500 well too bad um we've already bought you know caviar and wine for our friends and there's

01:27:01.060 nothing left for you so um we're entitled to our entitlements i believe is how one senator put it

01:27:06.580 once so so so eloquent with that yes and and so what what alberta needs to do under a wild rose 1.00

01:27:15.380 independence government it is two big steps it is first we will collect all the taxes here by

01:27:21.140 albertans for albertans and we will have a provincial oversight on what we see federally

01:27:26.740 programs like the military border security intelligence those things that we think are

01:27:32.660 important but but all of the just ongoing federal programs and stuff no we're not interested in that

01:27:39.700 we're not going to participate in those things and number two is the police force in the judicial

01:27:45.300 system i mean ottawa has an iron grip on that a choke hold on us and and tells the police what

01:27:51.300 and where to do it and i don't know if you're like even familiar with the high river gun grab

01:27:55.380 But they forced the people out of the town and then they took their guns and I mean, it's just, it was just appalling to see. Again, that was my first really bad experience with the emergency act. And then they turned those who left town against those who stayed behind to protect their property and their facilities and looking after their neighbor's stuff.

01:28:22.400 And they demonized them.

01:28:23.780 They just blatantly lied and said, those people who stayed behind, they're flushing their toilet and it's making sewage come up in your house.

01:28:31.160 And they're out pillaging when they let the looters in the back.

01:28:35.360 And then they blame the local people who stayed behind.

01:28:37.920 I mean, it was just the most disgusting thing, Nathan, that I have seen big government do and tell the people they couldn't go back.

01:28:44.400 I mean, we had three or four just incredible volunteer organizations that were going in, cleaning up these houses, moving stuff out.

01:28:51.240 And then the government turned over a multi-million dollar contract to Tervita, who brought in just nobodies who had no experience, no care.

01:29:01.240 I mean, it was just the most, like I say, disgusting act that I've seen government impose on people and their emergency act.

01:29:08.600 And you can't go in your house. There's black mold and you're going to die.

01:29:12.540 And, you know, it was just unbelievable. And then I just saw the repeat with COVID where government declares that you don't know how to look after yourself.

01:29:21.240 we'll tell you which company can be open and which one can't but so independence is is having

01:29:28.160 your taxes collected it's having your own police force and judicial system that respects the rule

01:29:34.060 of law and and then there's the other things you know are we going to have our own pension plan

01:29:38.140 our own employment insurance are we going to have our own immigration policy and then the other big

01:29:43.240 important one is is that look if you hypocrites don't want to use oil and gas and you don't want

01:29:47.360 any vehicles other than electric after 2035 we're not going to tell you you can't but but don't tell

01:29:53.640 us that we can't don't tell us that we can't eat beef or raise beef on all of the grasslands that

01:29:58.720 we have here and it's just a natural um you know industry for for here in there and again in prince

01:30:05.120 george have you ever been to the douglas lake cattle company i mean it's just phenomenal i mean

01:30:10.820 these are great entrepreneurs who have been here for decades and centuries but but yet we we have

01:30:16.620 these religious hypocrites that say that their way of life is the way to live and they don't 0.98

01:30:21.920 even recognize the hand that feeds them or the clothing on their back and so independence is

01:30:28.240 about taking the steps where we claw back all of the autonomy and the power from Ottawa and say

01:30:34.140 thank you very much we don't need your keys or your vehicle or your food we've got our own thank

01:30:40.060 you and looking at those things and then giving that confidence to Albertans to let them realize

01:30:44.940 the benefit of keeping that 50 billion dollars here in Alberta and how we can actually build a

01:30:51.180 big enough social programs you know with our health care and with our education and with our

01:30:56.940 senior care to look after our own and not send the money to Ottawa and then be hard dealt with

01:31:03.020 and can't look after our own and those very important social methods that we've developed

01:31:07.900 here and so after doing all of that and putting those taking those steps then letting Albertans

01:31:13.820 choose for themselves in a referendum are we better off independent or do we want to stay

01:31:18.140 part of this tyranny of ottawa and their decision and telling us how to live our lives and what we 1.00

01:31:23.980 can and can't do and so those are kind of the steps like i say collect the taxes have our police force

01:31:29.900 look after our environment and and not have ottawa dictate to us telling us you know we can't do those 1.00

01:31:35.820 things and indeed they do indeed they do dictate their terms to us in no uncertain in no uncertain

01:31:43.500 terms uh one of the things that's been really revealing through the pandemic is is indeed that

01:31:48.940 how much of government is just automated faceless unaccountable unelected it it just goes on it just

01:31:55.900 goes on i'm reminded of september 11th it was a rather rather uh perhaps a very very dark

01:32:02.700 observation but somebody said that you know the day after it happened on on 9 12 uh people went

01:32:10.000 to work right next door to where the rubble was but it was as if the world couldn't stop even for

01:32:15.240 a day after such a tragedy and and same the same thing kind of applies to government today it just

01:32:21.140 goes on you know the machines continue to print off reports and things continue to get scanned

01:32:25.960 until god knows what kind of database and the machine just continues to roll there's no there's

01:32:30.580 no stopping at the juggernaut but but the pandemic has has taken the last bits of accountability out

01:32:37.320 of it parliament by zoom uh investigations into the we scandal with with our prime minister

01:32:43.520 literally sweating bullets on on camera and then suddenly his power dropping out out of nowhere

01:32:49.620 are you know the premiers of various provinces being caught red-handed not obeying their own

01:32:55.660 mandates same with ministers of state and bureaucrats as well but what at what point

01:33:01.420 did the people just get so enraged that they're just not going to listen to these hypocrites

01:33:06.220 anymore well there's two points for that for me nathan and the first one is is the fear mongering

01:33:12.400 has been terrible if you've ever been around the parental um coddling it's sad to see children who

01:33:20.560 can't go ride a bike who can't do anything you can't that's not safe don't need to don't touch

01:33:25.680 that don't do the and they're hoovering over there the fear-mongering is probably what upsets me the

01:33:31.700 most in the numbers that they put out the deaths you know that they wouldn't say that you know we

01:33:36.580 had 15 deaths today 13 of those were seniors that were 82 years and older and of those 11 of those

01:33:43.160 13 had preconditions and were in a bad situation. It was oh no, these 15 deaths. They capitalized

01:33:53.540 on every opportunity to leverage fear to, again, make the people dependent on government and just

01:34:00.560 starstruck in that, what do we do? What do we do? And lost all confidence of their own

01:34:07.400 to make your own risk assessment on this and understand it.

01:34:11.280 And again, the misinformation that was put out there was terrible.

01:34:15.100 And probably what's even worse, and with Bill C-10 being passed,

01:34:18.320 the censorship of those people that are saying, whoa, whoa, whoa,

01:34:21.560 there's another opportunity here.

01:34:23.540 You know, there's these other products that we can treat with

01:34:27.020 that are showing remarkable results in other countries and stuff.

01:34:32.160 And the censorship was just, again, the double down,

01:34:35.740 The fear mongering and the censorship and people not being able to have the confidence to make their own decision.

01:34:42.240 But I'm kind of going in circles here. But anyways, it's just wrong.

01:34:49.360 Government's job for me is bringing together the best information possible, disseminating that out to the people so they can make their own judgment.

01:34:58.300 I mean, the College of Physicians, again, I just think all of those people.

01:35:01.680 I said early on in the pandemic, when people were making decisions on who couldn't work, what they could and couldn't do, is that every one of those people that was making that decision should have had to give up themselves what they were taking away from someone else, because this pandemic wouldn't have been handled the way it was.

01:35:22.400 And again, here we have a Lieutenant Colonel David Redmond who used to be and run, you know, was that top guy for an emergency act and how to run it.

01:35:33.760 I mean, when you listen to him, you just think like, yeah, wow, how did we turn over our entire economy, our life, our decisions making to a doctor to dictate how we could live?

01:35:44.340 And again, the College of Physicians, when you listen to other doctors and wanting to practice what they think is their best solutions for people.

01:35:54.000 I mean, they were being censored, threatened, fired. Nurses were. It's really disgusting.

01:36:00.060 The way government has handled this pandemic, in my opinion, and taken this one size fits all.

01:36:07.100 And again, you know, if there's an outbreak in a town, let's deal with that.

01:36:10.880 you don't shut down the whole province the whole country the whole world it's just been to me part

01:36:16.160 of this global reset of let's destroy the economy uh let's make people dependent on us we'll give 0.93

01:36:22.720 out billions of dollars i mean they've taken away the dignity of work from so many people i i know

01:36:28.560 two gym owners that have basically lost their gym and when they could have possibly even saved it

01:36:34.160 the employees didn't want to come back because they were on serve and they could sit on the

01:36:37.840 beach and make more money doing less i mean this is all that enticement of getting something for

01:36:43.440 nothing and again taking people's personal responsibility the dignity of work away from them

01:36:49.360 and and we as human beings are vulnerable to those temptations we we are we are deeply vulnerable to

01:36:57.520 those temptations in i mean absolute power corrupts absolutely and and what i say i say that too often

01:37:05.280 but yes it the thing that deeply the thing if there's a thing that kind of deeply scares me

01:37:11.600 about any of it paul it that like it became a religion that was the thing with covid i don't

01:37:18.720 i don't care where people stand on covid on any respect some people think the space livers you

01:37:23.600 know gave it to us or they were like that you know and then clearly the illuminati invented

01:37:27.760 this in a lab somewhere and then transported to wuhan and then released it everywhere and

01:37:31.600 and then called winnipeg i don't know like that's whatever go ahead believe that go ahead and

01:37:35.920 believe that it's the deadliest thing that's ever walked the earth despite the lack of body count i

01:37:39.640 don't care that doesn't matter to me what matters to me is how we reacted and how we reacted is we

01:37:44.220 created basically a technocratic theocracy to run the world and and and nobody blinked like nobody

01:37:52.000 like nobody and even the mildest objection was treated as heresy you know what i don't know if

01:37:57.020 i trust bonnie henry to tell me whether or not to wear a mask while i make love to my wife like i

01:38:03.420 don't think i i don't think that's a problem yeah exactly it was tam i guess theresa tam said

01:38:08.180 something like that it just yeah yeah there we go do we have a comment from sheldon wear a mask

01:38:13.500 and a condom yeah exactly exactly because that's what a committed loving socially conserved

01:38:18.740 relationship was like anyways the point being just it doesn't matter what it is like these

01:38:23.800 these people are getting so far apart at this point right it's just like you know one group

01:38:27.720 of people is like well these are the 10 things you have to do to be a part of hookup culture

01:38:31.200 and the other group of people is like i mean i've only ever hooked up with this person and i had no

01:38:35.760 game before anyways i'm just happy to be here like i just i don't it's just these these worlds

01:38:41.420 are getting so divided but it doesn't matter the point is that it became a religion that's the

01:38:45.700 point and i can't understand how this worst religion that i've ever heard of where we all

01:38:52.620 stay at home and watch our tv and do exactly what the crazy person on the tv tells us do who who is

01:38:59.920 is saying it in such such well-educated austere tones but what they're saying is masks and visors

01:39:06.320 are going to save you and don't worry this will save you and this will save you and you have to

01:39:11.500 believe me because i have all the information you don't have the information but also costco can be

01:39:16.240 open the churches can be closed don't worry about that pastor we just dragged away i this became a

01:39:21.900 religion. It became a fundamentalist extremist religion of technocracy. And I don't know how

01:39:28.680 we get out of it. But I don't know how we actually descend from here. Because everybody was a lot of

01:39:33.920 people were just like, you know what, this is fine. It's like, that's okay. I'm okay with that.

01:39:38.100 Yep. That's the scary part is what what's the percentage of people that think that that this

01:39:44.160 new religion is the way to go. And again, you you basically break it down tyranny of the majority

01:39:51.720 and the amount of money that the government's given out those people who want the dignity of

01:39:56.820 work those people who want to risk themselves and go out and whether it's go to the restaurant or

01:40:02.980 somewhere else is they're being scorned and like you know you're going to destroy the world and

01:40:07.620 this idea that you know well your mask saves you and my mask saves your your mask saves me and my

01:40:13.920 mass saves you. I mean, rational thinking is gone. And I keep going back to the 80s. I'm old enough

01:40:22.300 that ulcers was a real problem. I don't know if you know the story of Helicobacter pylori

01:40:28.340 and the discovery of antibiotics, but it changed a multi-billion dollar world.

01:40:34.040 I mean, the scorn, and I used to talk about that a lot back in, you know, 2000, 2005,

01:40:40.000 because of the censorship and the attack.

01:40:43.940 And it wasn't until 2015 that Dr. Marshall, you know,

01:40:47.120 was recognized with the Nobel Prize for it.

01:40:51.360 No, this, I don't know, propaganda that central government puts out

01:40:59.880 and the censorship is, I don't know where it's out either.

01:41:04.480 And I've said to many people that if we don't win in 2023,

01:41:07.620 we won't have a peaceful exit back to normal once once if governments remain the same past 2023

01:41:17.980 peaceful democracy will be over and freedoms will be lost I feel in Alberta and Canada that it

01:41:25.320 becomes a totalitarian state and we just see it so much like you say the pastors the restauranteurs

01:41:31.540 that are being arrested and being charged and fined it's just shocking to me I just I keep

01:41:37.860 thinking that like how can the majority of the people not realize that this is wrong that they

01:41:43.100 realize that the government can't make us safe they don't eliminate that why has nobody had the

01:41:48.160 flu influenza A and B has been solved because COVID's come along I mean the rational thinking

01:41:54.580 is missing again there's no baselines I mean for 20 years here in Alberta our ICUs and our hospital

01:42:00.580 beds have been full and backed up in a waiting list but yet this year they sensationalized it

01:42:05.800 and shut things down i think we've lost 10 000 operations here in alberta um but they've been

01:42:12.020 able to sensationalize it with this woke religious new world to spook people into we need to stay 1.00

01:42:18.660 home and hibernate and then that we're bad we shouldn't be part of society and we got to wait

01:42:23.360 for you know henry or henshaw to tell us that well okay you've been double vaccinated but still wear

01:42:29.320 your mask and don't, you know, social distance and don't let the kids go out and do this and that.

01:42:34.800 It truly is mind-boggling to me, Nathan, and it's scary on whether people will wake up and

01:42:40.480 realize that this is just wrong and we can't impose this ideology on everybody else. At least

01:42:47.520 give those 10 or 20 or 30 percent who want to be free, let them be free. People who want to isolate

01:42:53.180 and stay home, fine, but don't get taxpayers money to do that. The whole system has been turned upside

01:42:59.240 down and and it's very alarming on like you say can't can we and will we climb out of this

01:43:04.680 it is truly mind-boggling you know i never thought i'd be a part of a time or a place

01:43:10.020 where uh my act of resistance to the government was to go to travel down the road to the next town

01:43:17.140 uh to go hiking on a on a long weekend when i'd been told to stay home uh to to to not have a

01:43:24.800 mask on while i'm you know 50 feet away from everybody else in a store somewhere it just i

01:43:30.300 never thought that would be the the thing that would make me a martyr but i guess so like it

01:43:35.140 just is still a surprise to me uh as we kind of as we kind of turn the corner here and come to the

01:43:40.760 end of our hour uh it's canada day tomorrow uh obviously the residential school question looms

01:43:47.400 large uh there was the discovery in camloose this is the discovery in saskatchewan i'm sure there's

01:43:51.940 going to be more discoveries uh it it it's been this question that's that's caused a lot of back

01:43:57.980 and forth all across this country and again one you know for those of us who have a different kind

01:44:03.460 of viewpoint it maybe we have some sympathies for sovereignty maybe we do have some problems

01:44:07.820 with the canada day that was kind of reinvented by pearson and trudeau back in the 60s but but do we

01:44:14.220 want to just dismiss the entire idea of canada outright and there's been a back and forth inside

01:44:18.880 the sovereignty movement around this should we back up these people should we not back up these

01:44:23.060 people i've come down on the side of don't don't get involved with the jacobins it usually leads

01:44:28.520 to guillotines and ash heaps but you know some other people like well these aren't really the

01:44:32.440 jacobins there's just we're just leaning into it and see how far we can get with this see how far

01:44:36.200 we can take this wave i'd be interested to kind of hear your perspective on what what does this

01:44:41.940 whole trying to defenestrate canada day mean to you what what do you think it's about tomorrow

01:44:47.740 What does Canada Day mean to you right now as the leader of an independence party?

01:44:53.000 Well, I have to confess, I just want to be patriotic.

01:44:57.420 And my patriotism is to a constitution under the rule of law and recognizing the supremacy of God.

01:45:06.100 But, you know, if we back up three steps and look at Canada and look at North America, we've been very, very blessed.

01:45:14.940 historically I mean humans that that's their history that might is right when somebody can

01:45:23.340 impose their values their beliefs on someone else that's what we've seen for the last 5,000 years

01:45:28.900 whether it's the Chinese that the Japanese the Canadians the Americans the Vikings I mean the

01:45:36.360 bottom line is is if you are a powerful nation you usually went out and imposed your way of life

01:45:43.560 on the conquered um you went out to conquer to enhance your your country's way of life

01:45:50.180 um but but to me north north america has been the bastion of freedom um that that's what it is

01:45:57.180 about is freedom rule of law personal accountability and and we need to celebrate that and try and

01:46:02.920 preserve our freedom um it's much like you know november 11th and remembrance day like like

01:46:08.140 remember who we are do we have a perfect history where atrocities and tragedies happen absolutely

01:46:14.780 but but don't discount and recognize where where we are in the world and where we can be and and

01:46:22.140 again it goes back you know whether you want to call it canada day freedom day um for for me it

01:46:27.340 it's a day of patriotism where we should love our country um where we should be patriotic

01:46:33.020 to that constitution that's supposed to protect our individual freedom, our property, our pursuit

01:46:39.260 of happiness. Those are things that are near and dear to my heart and what we should be focused on.

01:46:47.100 And when we've lost some of those things like we've lost with COVID, what, as you mentioned

01:46:51.580 in the last question, what do we do to preserve or get that back? What are we handing over to

01:46:55.980 our children and our grandchildren? Do they have the opportunity that we've had? Today,

01:47:00.700 i have to say no they they don't but but can we recover and make up for the stupid decisions and

01:47:07.340 the tyranny of government in the last 30 years i i say absolutely but boy we're getting to that

01:47:13.500 breaking point where we're getting to that point uh where the bridge is out and we're not going

01:47:17.660 to be able to step on the brakes and stop in time and drive off into the ocean or into the river

01:47:23.420 and and uh have have another disaster but i don't know is that that kind of answer your question

01:47:28.700 No, I agree. I agree completely. We are on a precipice here. You can't print money forever. You can't have money's value unattached to reality. You can't have a BC bungalow split level that's 2,400 square feet or less or whatever, 2,000 square feet. It's not worth $400,000. It's not. It's not. You can't have that. You can't have inflation go through. You can't have lumber be worth its weight in gold. That will not go on. That can't continue.

01:47:58.700 continue that's not sustainable um and and so i completely agree with you that there's something

01:48:03.340 worth fighting for in this dominion that we call canada uh and and whether that's every single of

01:48:09.880 the 10 cantankerous cantons fighting for their place in it or whether it's a realignment even

01:48:15.780 though the provincial boundaries that's actually where i land pretty much a lot of ways i'd like

01:48:19.880 to see that change quite a bit i don't have to listen to victoria anymore that'd be really nice

01:48:24.580 I personally want to use the diocesan boundaries of the Catholic Church, but we'll not get into that right now.

01:48:30.260 So that's not a controversial opinion today.

01:48:32.980 But the thing is, though, that something has to change because something's going to break.

01:48:37.340 Either something's going to break or something has to change or both, because that's what's going to happen.

01:48:41.360 It is. And like I say, the best analogy I can give is the bridge is out.

01:48:46.060 Don't keep denying the broadcast.

01:48:49.940 We've gone far farther.

01:48:51.700 That's been my biggest thing.

01:48:52.980 back in 2004 2005 i mean ralph was was working hard balance the budget but canada was not um and

01:49:00.900 and i've just i've been wrong i just kept thinking that you know we're going to have an economic

01:49:05.380 collapse we can't keep doing this and it's it's been amazing to me how far in debt that we can go

01:49:12.580 before the great collapse but we now know you know with klaus schwab and the great reset and the

01:49:18.020 World Bank and the WHO and everything else. They want to destroy our economy so that we declare 0.85

01:49:24.580 bankruptcy. And boy, has COVID ever given them a great opportunity to accelerate. And this is

01:49:31.380 their opportunity and they've been capitalizing on it very well. And we as Albertans, Canadians,

01:49:36.900 Americans, the free world have listened to this propaganda and drank the fear of Kool-Aid that,

01:49:44.660 you know we're all doomed we're all finished we we've got to let big government you know control

01:49:50.020 our lives and everything in them and it's to our demise it's it's a real problem scary problem

01:49:57.380 it absolutely is well uh that's the end of our hour here thank you so much paul for your time

01:50:03.780 with us today i really hope we get to have you back on the show in the not so distant future

01:50:09.220 i look forward to it nathan you keep up the good work you've got great guests and i just

01:50:14.100 couldn't believe i was following john robson someone i just have a great deal of admiration

01:50:18.100 and here's here's a historian that that boy he he understands history and he understands life

01:50:24.900 and and just a great individual so i i i hope you can get john on again that i be able to be

01:50:31.540 be back as well because you're doing a great job of of bringing on guests that that are so

01:50:36.420 meaningful and informative and educational which is what our our our problem is is that the

01:50:43.140 propaganda that's out there and the fear mongering is just uncontrollable and we need individuals

01:50:49.700 like yourself that are bringing on these so-called controversial figures and then talking about

01:50:54.260 controversial problems we've got to open up the wound and look at it and and deal with it and

01:51:00.740 whether it's residential schools or whatever else let's learn from history let's not erase history

01:51:05.860 and then go forward because we have such a great opportunity here if we'll just put on the brakes

01:51:10.500 and get back to your conservative values

01:51:12.880 and that respect for the individual,

01:51:15.280 their life, their freedom, their property,

01:51:17.180 their pursuit of happiness,

01:51:18.840 and get rid of this centralized authoritarian government

01:51:21.920 because it's going to be to our demise.

01:51:24.560 The government by the people, for the people,

01:51:26.820 and of the people shall not cease to exist from this earth.

01:51:29.840 Yes, 100%.

01:51:30.880 All right.

01:51:32.000 Thank you so much for your time, Paul.

01:51:33.520 Take care.

01:51:34.020 well uh we've come to the end of this episode of mountain standard time we are not having a

01:51:44.340 episode tomorrow because of course that's a stat and we're going to take that time off i have

01:51:50.700 actually a lot of things to do for the wedding uh over the course of this weekend i'm going to

01:51:55.920 run around like a crazy person we're having a lot of it uh having to do with the family farm so i

01:52:00.660 got to get that stuff ready. And we're about 60 days out as of today. So please pray for that if

01:52:05.400 you're a praying person. But I guess as concluding thoughts, especially on this eve of a very gloomy

01:52:12.140 Canada Day, at least if certain people have their way, I do believe that this is a fundamentally

01:52:19.580 good country. And that those of us who are involved and in league with anything around

01:52:27.180 the sovereignty question are trying to restore something of what's been lost in this country

01:52:33.840 thanks largely to what has been discussed a lot today the big statism that came basically into

01:52:40.300 the 1960s through Pearson and Trudeau senior and and never really left and Canada became a kind of

01:52:47.560 a kind of lifestyle choice instead of a country of values and we are more than just a lifestyle

01:52:54.020 choice. It's not just a lifestyle to live in British Columbia or Alberta or downtown Toronto

01:52:58.260 or up north in Churchill. It's not about lifestyle. It's about values. It's about where you find

01:53:03.300 belonging and how you would want to act out, you know, the true north strong and free in your own

01:53:10.120 life. Peace order and good government as you can best manifest it. And so whether it is for queen

01:53:17.000 and country and for those who aren't the biggest monarchists in the world, whether it is simply for

01:53:20.340 the beauty of our nation that spans from sea to sea to sea. It's something that's worth defending.

01:53:28.120 I say that as a status Indian. I say that as a devout Roman Catholic. I say that as somebody who

01:53:33.480 is deeply empathetic to the pain and suffering of my people around the question of residential

01:53:40.560 schools. And I say it as somebody who knows that it is not the bricks and mortar of any institution.

01:53:45.440 It is the people inside it that make it or break it.

01:53:48.700 And so it is my sincere hope and my solemn prayer that on the eve of this Canada Day, as we go forward and as we truly seem to be pivoting from the whole question of COVID and pandemic into questions of culture and climate change and God knows what else they'll bring down the pipe of the propaganda machine, that we take a brief moment on this day off that we're all accorded.

01:54:13.700 and we take a brief moment.

01:54:15.740 We spend that time with our loved ones,

01:54:17.640 with one another, our favorite hobby.

01:54:19.740 We dwell on what it means to be a part of a country

01:54:23.060 that's been on the right side of history

01:54:24.400 more times than on the wrong side

01:54:25.980 and has had several people sacrifice

01:54:28.820 and give the ultimate sacrifice for it.

01:54:31.480 It's worth preserving, worth restoring,

01:54:34.460 worth making new again by whatever means

01:54:36.660 are under both the supremacy of God and the rule of law.

01:54:41.020 And I pray that we remember that

01:54:43.220 that we cherish those that are close to us

01:54:45.760 that we sow peace and not division

01:54:47.620 and that we recall in no uncertain terms

01:54:50.660 that we will not survive without one another

01:54:53.700 and that starts at home

01:54:54.980 thank you so much for spending your time with us today

01:54:59.040 and viewing

01:55:00.040 we will be back bright and early next Tuesday

01:55:03.180 9 a.m. Pacific, 10 a.m. Mountain

01:55:05.480 thank you so much for watching

01:55:13.220 Thank you.

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