00:05:37.960school closed in 96 so uh rounding back to 2020 that would make you you know like unless unless
00:05:44.720you were a newborn being carried through the school it's impossible to have to be in a young
00:05:50.500adult today and have gone to average to to residential school it's hard to even be a kind
00:05:54.880of mid-aged adult and have gone to residential school you would have to of course be a quite
00:05:58.820mature adult into now almost senior and elder to have gone to residential school and even amongst
00:06:05.980those circles for all the scars there are and this is not discounting any of the terrible things that0.99
00:06:10.020that did occur the fact of the matter is that there are those in aboriginal leadership positions
00:06:16.900let alone other positions that do that do confess that had they not been put through the rigor
00:06:21.700of an of a curriculum that stayed quite traditional well into the 20th century late 20th century when
00:06:28.340other curriculums were beginning to go broke and get woke uh the the because it was a usually
00:06:34.600a Catholic or Christian curriculum, or at least being run by them, they were ensuring that a more
00:06:40.900liberal arts sort of approach was kept. I'm guessing that grammar and rhetoric and Latin
00:06:45.920weren't being struck out of the residential school system as quickly as they were in other ones.
00:06:50.200And further to that point, again, because of the kind of people who were running it,
00:06:54.840it was rigorous, unlike the kind of soft shoe that we're doing nowadays at a lot of public schools.
00:06:59.880So that needs to be counted. And the discipline that ensued there, again, not saying that that was okay and not saying that when it became abusive, that was okay. Even so, the issue at hand is that we have to remember that it formed people, not unlike basic training forms people, not unlike, well, quite frankly, speaking of having the church teach you.
00:07:20.580you go and live in seminary minor seminary down down south here for for you know the five years
00:07:26.660of your of your adolescent life of your uh high school career it forms you forms you getting up
00:07:32.160at 5 a.m and going to church it forms you having only certain times for recreation it forms you
00:07:36.720not having constant access to the internet of course that was different back then but you get
00:07:40.120what i'm trying to say and they are separate from society um that's cool and that's how schooling
00:07:45.120used to be um indeed residential schools were based off the old english school model
00:07:50.880which was how aristocrats educated their children sending them away to residential schools so we
00:07:56.480need to be clear about that but we need to talk about that dispassionately we need to be honest
00:08:00.240about the things that were positive that certain people remember and we have to also remember that
00:08:06.160there are perfectly legitimate lines of inquiry around the entire indian act including the
00:08:10.160the residential schools uh that do not require outrage as their fundamental basis outrage is
00:08:15.180never a good form of investigation and we need to be careful with that very careful it's very
00:08:19.220you know passionate emotion finally it must be acknowledged that residential schools were
00:08:23.300actually considered an innovative even progressive policy prescription for their time and this is
00:08:27.500going to be kind of surprising i mean a lot of people i'm sure are anticipating that when stewart
00:08:31.780gets on here which is going to be around 10 a.m pacific 11 a.m mountain uh that there's going to
00:08:38.540be some back and forth and i think this might be this is probably going to be one of our more
00:08:41.600controversial shows but the fact of the matter is that even stewart's going to actually have
00:08:45.920some lambasting to do when it comes to the left because this was a progressive idea it was an
00:08:51.160extremely progressive idea we have to remember that everything today that kind of got sucked up
00:08:55.900into say the problem is really the nazis like everything comes back to the nazis the problem
00:09:02.000is that the nazis took a whole bunch of ideas that were actually progressive for their time
00:09:06.460But they syncretized it and synthesized it into a right-wing identitarian message, this kind of right-of-center understanding of Germany and the Volk and the history of Germany and the very pagan elements of Germany, because Hitler, of course, didn't want the Christian elements of Germany.
00:09:22.140He thought that made them soft, because that's the argument Nietzsche made.
00:09:24.820We're getting off topic here. The point is, though, that from the people's car, right, Volkswagen, right, from the people's car all the way to the public schooling system that was developed under the Nazis out into, of course, eugenics, which is, again, a very progressive idea in the late 19th century and abortion for that matter, too.
00:09:42.520like those ideas they get trumped up into these weird kind of racial sort of understandings about
00:09:49.220the right but the fact of the matter is that they were progressive ideas and case in point is
00:09:54.900right here uh the the idea of putting people through school is not actually a very conservative
00:10:01.460idea not in most of its elements and even so where conservatives do value it um it's it's usually not
00:10:08.820as holistic as a lot of this is depending on where you're counting from the point is that
00:10:13.700residential schools were tied up in the same kind of school of thought as a lot of other progressive
00:10:18.100ideas the same kind of people that were giving us social engineering the same kind of people
00:10:22.020that were giving us uh darwinism that those were progressive ideas of the late 19th century and we
00:10:27.540need to be honest about that um so finally we we also need to acknowledge that even if you might
00:10:32.980not agree with the method uh the methods being used around the world particularly the united
00:10:37.220States against Aboriginals were essentially enslavement as well as violence. We have to be
00:10:42.600clear about that. Again, if you want to use the word indigenous as a kind of term of solidarity
00:10:47.080between me and anybody else who is colonized, anybody that was here already when some visitors
00:10:55.280showed up and started running the joint, most of which I'm very thankful for, to be honest with you.
00:11:00.460The fact of the matter is that just about everywhere else in North America and in Southern
00:11:06.060america and throughout the the rest of what is now called the third world um through africa and0.61
00:11:12.140india and the rest of it uh slavery and violence were kind of the tools of the trade uh people were0.56
00:11:18.620enslaved people were put to work people were put into indentured servitude and there was a great
00:11:23.820amount of violence visited upon all sorts of populations around the world not all the time
00:11:28.540not at every instance not every five minutes but there but this did occur and and it was more
00:11:33.580brutal in some places than others canada north america in general but canada it specifically
00:11:40.380did not have that same legacy slavery slavery actually occurred between us aboriginals far
00:11:45.660more frequently than it did between the colonizers and the aboriginal population in canada and so we
00:11:50.780need to be honest about that uh and so the fact of the matter is that again even if you think that
00:11:55.820the residential schools of canada took a different approach a bad one perhaps it still was less
00:12:01.260overtly wicked or violent or or or crushing than these other ones were so finally we must allow uh0.78
00:12:08.860or rather we must not allow our outrage to overrule the facts were residential schools bad0.90
00:12:14.860the the result and the scars that we have today bear out that as a general policy this was not0.95
00:12:21.900perhaps the best idea and in the moments where it did terrible things the answer is yes those
00:12:28.780were bad things the people the actors any of the abuse that occurred when that when those things
00:12:34.220happened and of course the tragedy of being far away from home perhaps being you know deep you
00:12:41.260know d d program from your home culture into a new culture but furthermore the fact that you're
00:12:46.620far away from home and could suffer from disease and die anonymously cast into a grave quickly
00:12:52.700because we had to keep you know that people had to keep the disease from spreading that's that's
00:12:57.260awful that's awful that is bad there's no question that's bad is what happened in kamloops tolerable
00:13:03.180by today's standards answer is no of course not of course it isn't we must understand as best we can
00:13:09.180who these children are we must contact their families we must give people rest give people
00:13:16.380peace let people be laid to rest properly this is this is a fundamental thing this goes back this is
00:13:22.060not a this is not a reconciliation thing this is not an aboriginal versus white thing
00:13:27.820we going as far back in in white culture to say it that way european indo-european culture and
00:13:34.060western culture all the way back to the pagan stories of properly burying people and of course
00:13:39.900the story of antigone we all were taught at some point hopefully by our english lit teacher
00:13:45.180that that there is a fundamental justice and fundamental justice says that the dead must be
00:13:49.420be buried they must be buried properly and laid to rest they're not to be abused and so we need to
00:13:55.060make sure that these bodies go where they belong and that people are laid to rest properly it's
00:14:00.740also a corporal act of mercy within the catholic faith um burying the dead feeding feeding the
00:14:06.680hungry caring for the sick you know clothing the clothing the the naked and uh burying the dead
00:14:13.380is one of them so finally considering uh the kid that and considering kids in care today this is
00:14:19.460really important to me i think i think it's really important that we we remember this considering the
00:14:24.700kids in care today a disproportionate amount of whom are aboriginal can we please consider using
00:14:30.240our anger to change things in the lives of people right now rather than tear down ghosts of the past
00:14:36.200or swing it goes to the past i i think that this is something that really cues up for me pretty
00:14:42.480strongly because i am really you know you know i'm really i just feel really strongly about the
00:14:54.600fact that we have kids in care today and honestly i don't think the foster system we have today if
00:15:00.560you really want to compare the two systems the foster system i think has no candle to hold
00:15:06.240compared to the residential school system if you're gonna i'm gonna wax philosophical here
00:15:11.420Look, I mean, I got to fill a few minutes here before Stuart gets on, if you don't mind.
00:15:15.080We've got we've got actually a comment here from Emily Stewart.
00:15:38.240admittedly once you have a unmarked grave area you're going to quite literally not know where
00:15:44.260the next body goes because you don't have it properly marked unless that earth was recently
00:15:48.500disturbed or the same groundskeeper is doing the work not trying to be cold about that or clinical
00:15:53.560I'm just stating as a fact just like anything in your backyard if you know where it is then you
00:16:00.660know where it is but if somebody else buys your house you don't know they don't know what's in
00:16:05.280your backyard because they weren't there when you did that whatever it was that you did planted this
00:16:09.420there moved this there innovated this put something in to keep the sod from falling down they don't
00:16:14.620know what that is so we don't know exactly how it's going when it comes to uh it's coming to
00:16:22.020the mass grave question and is it all in one grave i think it's unlikely i think it's more
00:16:26.720likely that there's multiple graves uh smallpox and tb was also a suggested issue for why this
00:16:32.780happened uh and the problem the problem is that uh we must remember that child mortality was quite
00:16:40.940high in the early 20th century quite high it was still high like i mean compared to the 18th century
00:16:46.780it was lower but still child mortality was a real thing um and child mortality is still a thing
00:16:52.540today uh we don't talk about it as much and of course ever since abortion became legalized child
00:16:57.660mortality has kind of paled by comparison we actually we we care more about child mortality
00:17:02.380today because we have fewer children so it's less common that children die but uh it's more tragic
00:17:10.620because not that not that any soul is replaceable and uh we love all of our children equally and we
00:17:17.260need to love them as a special gifts from god but the fact of the matter is is that people are quite
00:17:21.740fragile especially at their youngest stage and so in days of yore again not to put it too
00:17:28.780clinically or coldly children could die and the parents of those children understood that and
00:17:35.180they also understood that that's why they had more children today we have fewer children because we
00:17:41.820expect every child that we have to live and not to suffer from uh some kind of tragedy and and
00:17:49.660suddenly go back to god who made them and so that's that's a hard thing to swallow i understand
00:17:56.620that that can sound quite quite dark but but this is true this is very true and our culture has
00:18:03.340in my opinion unfortunately gone the route of having too few children and having too few
00:18:08.460children the children it's not that they're overvalued it's just that they then the the
00:18:13.100tragedy strikes in a far more sharper way and for that matter people can't usually reproduce
00:18:18.620more children because they usually have the two children and then usually sterilize themselves
00:18:24.920or three children and sterilize themselves so they don't have the ability to produce more children
00:18:29.360and so we've we've kind of created our own problem there not to say that every child isn't precious
00:18:34.880every child is precious but there was a different cultural understanding of that not that long ago
00:18:39.680so I think I think that we need to be clear here with a couple of things is there any connection
00:18:46.780to the uh un declaration uh regarding i think that's indigenous peoples right
00:18:54.540uh rights of indigenous peoples that's right my my producers give me that uh that is trying to
00:18:59.820pass it was passed provincially in bc already i knew that my provincial my uh my yeah my
00:19:05.820provincial well he is a provincial guy uh my producer is trying to remind me of that but
00:19:10.060that's that's true that already passed in british columbia so so i guess they're trying to they're
00:19:16.220they're trying to pass it everywhere it's it's interesting uh i don't think that that's going
00:19:20.620to help us like i want to be very clear here like i'm i'm a very assimilated indian okay i am like
00:19:27.160i was raised by whites i was raised away from the reserve system i was raised away from the abuse
00:19:32.220that usually uh follows uh in those steps and in that poverty my mother was unwed uh she was0.57
00:19:40.200impregnant by somebody who apparently you know uh must have looked pretty italian because if i give
00:19:44.620you my side profile. I mean, that's, I don't look like an Indian in the side profile. My nose is a0.72
00:19:50.380little bit too Roman for that. So as far as we know, I think what my mother told my parents was
00:19:54.860that my father was Sicilian. So I have a ship passing in the night for a father. I have a
00:20:00.440mother that I've never met, my biological mother. And then I have my adopted white parents. I was
00:20:07.200adopted from birth. And I was raised away from all of the
00:20:12.300tragedy and trauma that that usually surrounds, quite
00:20:17.540frankly, being an Indian in Canada, like it does, it's
00:20:19.840especially if you're on reserve. And so I, I know that a lot of
00:20:24.640people then say I have nothing to say about this stuff. And I
00:20:28.320would say, well, in response, that's not fair. Because one, I
00:20:32.160feel solidarity with my people. I do believe that my people need
00:20:36.680to be treated better. I do believe that my people need to be properly, you know, properly cared for
00:20:43.980and that whatever is just, whatever ought to be done when it comes to the Indian Act and that
00:20:49.680sort of thing needs to take place. We can't live in this, stuck in this way with the Indian Act0.78
00:20:56.240and everything else and with the holding back of the people from themselves and the1.00
00:21:01.300Aboriginal leadership that does actually visit all sorts of harm upon its own people.0.92
00:21:06.680That needs to stop. And I've always been an outspoken advocate for the little guy, the little Indian guy, as it turns out, the little Aboriginal guy as well. So I've been very consistent on this. But I've never been not transparent about the fact I don't pretend to have been, you know, raised in a perfectly Indigenous way. If you want to use that term, I don't pretend to be full of traditional culture and traditional understandings of things.1.00
00:21:32.000You know, I like Bannock as much as the next guy, but we all know Bannock came from the Scots because, of course, Bannock is refined flour and refined flour did not exist on this continent until the white man came.
00:21:43.640So I think that the problem, the problem is that we have to be honest around what happened, right?
00:21:52.220We have to be honest about what happened.
00:21:53.760And when we're looking at the residential school system, it was a very particular solution to a very particular problem.0.67
00:22:04.060And the fact of the matter remains, you have people walking at the first steps of white people into North America, not counting the Vikings when they found Newfoundland.0.59
00:22:15.740uh the first steps of white people non-indigenous people europeans into i just prefer to say the
00:22:23.100white man to be honest with you the first steps of of of europeans non-indigenous uh people into
00:22:28.900north america they were still kind of transitioning actually even from swords to gunpowder right like
00:22:34.740not every single person was packing you know was packing black powder uh there was still a lot of
00:22:40.660bows and arrows probably in the hinterland of their various countries uh you know especially
00:22:46.380by peasants or yeomen who were hunting the the king's deer poaching them illegally i happen to
00:22:52.060know a guy who's descended from those people i'm looking at them right now anyways good people
00:22:57.040the point being that that these these these things happened and and a people group like my
00:23:05.440like my own that was had no horses no wheels no fabrics to speak of nothing nothing advanced in
00:23:15.140that respect stone age tools and rudimentary agriculture if you count the mohawk and even
00:23:21.400the mayan like yes they had plantations in this and mesoamerican area but even there
00:23:25.880and highly organized societies to a certain extent in the mesoamerican area that had decided that
00:23:30.940human sacrifice was a great way of moving forward i i i think that we need to be honest about this
00:23:37.640and say look when the old world met the new world there was a lot of tragedy there was a it was hard
00:23:45.040diseases spread because of course one group had the resistances the other group did not
00:23:50.060and cultures clashed as they would have canada's experience with this was miles better than most
00:23:59.400other first contacts around the world and what we need to be honest about when it comes to
00:24:05.220residential school system is you know 250 years since the beginning of contact and and really
00:24:11.580more almost like 300 years since the beginning of contact we now had a problem and the problem was
00:24:17.040you couldn't have a stone age culture and an industrialized culture live side by side that
00:24:24.200was nonsense you couldn't do that that couldn't happen it they couldn't live independently of one
00:24:30.580another that can work in the amazon when literally the you know space age culture doesn't want to
00:24:37.180leave the beaches of rio de janeiro because why would they i mean that's where everybody's wearing
00:24:41.780their beach wear so it's hard to kind of leave you know hard to leave the beach you know you get kind
00:24:45.960of distracted uh and for that matter that's where all of the industrialized life is that's where all
00:24:51.120if there is any manufacturing that's where those jobs would be so you go into the amazon the deep
00:24:56.260amazon who wants to live there if you're from the space age technology people you don't want to live
00:25:01.420there there's no there's nowhere to live you'd have to build from scratch and so the quote unquote
00:25:06.980you know contactless tribes or the aboriginal groups in the deep amazon i mean they're good0.95
00:25:12.400to go they're fine for another who knows maybe another two centuries they're not going to have0.99
00:25:16.480to change or adapt because well they don't deal with the people on the coast but that's not how
00:25:22.640it happens in canada i mean admittedly admittedly the least the least uh kind of inculturated that
00:25:30.160is to say from non-aboriginal culture inwards so from from european culture western culture
00:25:36.540inwards probably the most non-culturated or non-non-mixed culture uh in canada is just like
00:25:42.640the remoteness of the Amazon it's probably our Inuit population the Inuit population has a semi
00:25:48.220written language well I've written there is a written language I don't know how much of that
00:25:52.860is based on their own writing and how much of that has been done together in collaboration with
00:25:57.940the post-contact world but there is a written language and it's used and it's used for phonetic
00:26:02.500pronunciation that I know because when I was up in Churchill Manitoba living in the rectory
00:26:06.340you can go down into the into the basement of the rectory and there's a bindery there they are
00:26:10.720translating things into Inuktitut. So Inuktitut is a written language, and people are doing it
00:26:17.040live. They're doing that in real time. The church is still helping with this. So speaking of the
00:26:21.080church, the church being everywhere, including the places nobody wants to be because nobody can make
00:26:24.400any money at it. And the thing is that when it comes to the question of crossing cultures, just
00:26:32.120as the point being the unadulterated, if you want to put it that way, Amazonian cultures, there's a
00:26:37.280similar thing that happens in northern canada where yes the technology has changed now they
00:26:43.520ride bobsleds and uh and not bobsleds well that was silly but this ride skidoos though i'm sure
00:26:49.440there are some bobsleds up there too they definitely have toboggans um they ride they
00:26:53.760ride skidoos and they have they still have dog teams around but for the most part people of
00:26:57.840course are on skidoo they have rifles instead of instead of harpoons so they still use harpoons0.98
00:27:02.760to pull narwhal and other things out of the
00:33:56.860and then we help the children assimilate into being into being good good citizens of Canada
00:34:06.680and as a fundamental concept that that doesn't seem so wrong but of course the way that it got
00:34:12.420executed and it's funny like everything else in the Canadian government they always give the most
00:34:16.820vital tasks to third parties so they gave this task to the churches I'm not saying it would have
00:34:22.600any better being done by bureaucrats it's just that it's funny because that's just how how can
00:34:27.480it is it's like well we're we're kind of cheap so we're going to outsource this problem to uh
00:34:32.760to the churches so they did that and of course we know what resulted um there were some instances
00:34:39.080of real good there were some instances of banality and and you know maybe neglect and and just kind of
00:34:44.600in the general malaise of life and then finally there were of course intense abuses that could
00:34:49.800happened in certain places at certain times and that's that's inexcusable and the people i again
00:34:57.320if i was in charge you you better believe that as much as i might sound like an apologist in general
00:35:02.340not just for the roman catholic church but also for uh for for the concept at least the idea of
00:35:08.820residential schools or at least the idea of of there being an integration between the two cultures
00:35:13.840that was facilitated institutionally if you want to use kind of long words like that to get around
00:35:18.440the point um i i if i was in charge now you better believe that we would have capital punishment and
00:35:25.180anybody and everybody who had been brought to trial and found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt
00:35:30.400by a jury of their peers uh for having committed these abuses in these places would and and even
00:35:36.120the ones who are already sentenced they would be executed there's no question absolutely none
00:35:41.960they would be executed um you can't have you can't have those capital offenses allowed to continue
00:35:49.080um that's wrong and you can't let people who committed those offenses get away with it
00:35:53.580so again with right with right evidence and right trials that's that's what should happen
00:35:58.460there's no question and that goes for and that goes for everywhere i want to be very clear about
00:36:02.480that it's not just about residential school abuse situations it's about you know you get a
00:36:07.820serial church abuser, someone within the church, that's the exact same thing that should happen
00:36:12.340there. Once it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt, same thing that happens in any institution,
00:36:16.100RCMP officer doing it to subordinates, military officers doing it to subordinates. It doesn't
00:36:21.380matter where you are. Abuse, abuse must be met with that level of deterrence. I absolutely believe
00:36:27.160that. So that was a bit of a bit of a, yeah, it was a bit of a trail, but let's, let's get back
00:36:32.880on on some of the news items we have here. Let's see. We've got a couple of things here. I'm trying
00:36:40.340to keep my producer from putting up the CBC one. I know we'll all get yelled at for that. But we're
00:36:46.020going to we're going to do we're going to do the pride boycott. We'll start there. So we're going0.95
00:36:52.360to shift gears a little bit. Technically speaking, June is pride month. I don't know who decides
00:36:57.420these things that was declared at some point, I think actually under the Clinton administration,
00:37:03.380which I'm old enough to remember. Just barely. I don't know how they're keeping that guy
00:37:09.360alive. He's getting old. But here we are. And we've got, of course, the pride boycott
00:37:16.560of Halifax Library, a disturbing attack on free expression. Now, we should give some1.00
00:37:21.300credit where credit's due. That's Adam Zivo. I don't know who Adam Zivo is. I'm guessing
00:37:26.180that he's a part-time columnist for the national post given that's where this is posted but let's
00:37:30.480just take a look so last week halifax pride boycotted halifax public library over a refusal0.93
00:37:35.600to pull a book from its shelves the book irreversible damage the transgender craze seducing
00:37:39.660our daughters by abigail schreier is considered by many to be transphobic and rife with misinformation
00:37:45.360the boycott is part of a disturbing pattern of canadian pride festivals penalizing library
00:37:50.180systems for defending freedom of expression we're going to stop right there you know what's a
00:37:55.060beautiful thing i i mean the joke is the joke that many liberals used to make especially during
00:38:01.980kind of the late the late austerity period of the early aughts if you want to use uh uh aughts
00:38:07.560instead of the 2000s uh is that you know well if if conservatives had it their way they would
00:38:13.580have banned libraries like i mean thank god we built those libraries when liberals were still
00:38:17.460in charge a more liberal element of of of society was in charge of the political system and it's
00:38:23.080Like, OK, fun fact, it turns out that radical leftists, which is who that would be, not just because they're in a pride parade, but because, no, there's genuinely radical leftists who are part of pride movements, are now protesting libraries.
00:38:39.000Like, you can't get more liberal than a library, right?
00:38:44.520Anything and everything, like, technically speaking, even the most graphic book that's ever been published that's incredibly pornographic or whatever, it has an IBSN number, and it is in the Library of Congress, right?
00:38:57.940Like, it has been put into the great library of the Western world, and all the great libraries of the Western world, right?
00:39:03.840So the most graphic, the most violent, the most vile thing, the Mein Kampf, you know, the Communist Manifesto, it doesn't matter what it is.
00:46:38.040But the point is that even if I did or didn't or whatever, I would hold the same opinion.
00:46:43.500And the opinion is, you have the right to express yourself.
00:46:46.040I disagree with you because obviously my belief system completely disagrees with you, but that doesn't mean you don't have the right to exist and you don't, and you have the right to express yourself, obviously. So why is that not being afforded the other way? And besides, speaking of this question of transgenderism, we would just had Chris Elston on this week. If you've been tuning into the show all week, you would know that, hey, transgenderism is a real issue and it's causing problems, especially amongst young women.
00:47:12.940And so the issue becomes very quickly. I've got something in my eye and I keep picking at it. I'm sorry, guys. There it is. It's gone. The point the point is that that we have a right as a society to debate these questions opening and dispassionately. And that's the exact same thing that's wrong with the residential point that we were making earlier. You can't you can't have a system. You can't have a system where nobody's allowed to talk about certain things and certain things are taboo. Right. And that's the great irony of what's happened to the left.
00:47:42.400If you go back to the left of the 60s, 70s, and even 80s, that left was trying to break down the barriers about what was taboo so that we could just live freely with expression and, you know, I guess, and justice for all, whatever.
00:47:57.580The people could just express themselves.
00:47:59.480And then that would lead to a loss of oppression and people would just be better off.
00:48:03.800I, of course, would have demurred from that.
00:48:06.020I'm in many ways a 1960s conservative.
00:48:10.480But the point is that, nonetheless, that was the idea. But somehow, someway, especially once those people got in charge, and by those people, I mean, anybody on the radical left who eventually kind of compromised, became bougie, moved to the suburbs, and essentially developed a kind of combination of left and right of center policies in order to just be bougie, right, bougie suburb people.
00:48:32.840what happened was that they they became in charge of the institutions and everything else and they
00:48:38.340decided to seek supremacy and as as we've gone through with both steward parkert and and aaron
00:48:43.580ekman it's it's kind of an hr model so the way that you discipline people is through browbeating
00:48:48.880and threatening their employment and and group shame and so instead of kind of a radical like
00:48:54.580hey everybody should just kind of be able to do anything they want whatever it's become no everybody
00:48:58.900must follow these prescribed prescriptions and then you're like wait a minute those are kind of
00:49:02.420light the taboos we had before but worse because at least because like i mean before at least we
00:49:06.180believed in like god and souls and hell and heaven and that sort of thing they're like yeah well we
00:49:09.760don't believe in that stuff anymore but we do believe that you have to subscribe to my belief
00:49:13.560system also here's a bill for paying for it it's called your taxes enjoy that very much so that's
00:49:19.660kind of where we're at right now and that's a problem uh we're gonna look at uh kind of the
00:49:24.880next thing here uh ubc reviews award of honorary um what's this the honorary degree that they gave
00:49:33.680to uh to the bishop yeah bishop o'grady so here's a weird here's a weird fact so i'm broadcasting to
00:49:41.000you from bc's northern capital that's prince george and we are of course right in the heart
00:49:47.620of the prince george diocese and without getting into any kind of nitty-gritty details the fact
00:49:53.040of the matter is that Bishop O'Grady still figures
00:51:45.980bishop o'grady belongs to if you're looking if you're kind of trying to get a idea of what
00:51:54.440bishop o'grady's status is here in in northern bc he really is kind of like the mini version of
00:52:01.200john paul ii for us not in the same kind of polyglot sort of way and uh genius necessarily
00:52:07.880but but visionary bishop o'grady was a visionary and became the bishop of this diocese a long time
00:52:14.000ago um and was and was bishop for a long time and and really brought prince george's catholic
00:52:22.220world from from kind of its original you know its original milieu of of the late 19th early 20th
00:52:29.780century into the 20 21st century well obviously he died before the 21st century but bringing that
00:52:35.900spirit of conciliation that spirit of community belonging new evangelization so he was a big deal
00:52:43.340And this is hard. This is hard for people because there's people living today, plenty of people living today that know who Bishop O'Grady was and met him or grew up with him around, grew up knowing who he was and what he was doing and the respect he had in the community.
00:52:58.160So this is going to be hard, to put it politely, as people wrestle with it here in Prince George, because, well, Bishop O'Grady was a big deal.
00:53:09.560The high school, after he died, they renamed the high school after him, O'Grady High.
00:53:16.360The Catholic school system in northern BC, all the elementary schools are still in existence, but the high school basically fell apart in the early aughts, early 2000s, due to a combination of incompetence on the part of the church and a lack of support on the part of the community combined together with just in general complete chaos around how to do this properly and just things falling apart.
00:54:10.860to mobile home with sort of things and and about the right length and and they've got some kids in
00:54:17.120them right now they've got uh some kids who are doing evangelization up here uh kids they're they're
00:54:22.880all young adults i guess they're all just just out of high school but but the point is that we're
00:54:28.960still using this property indeed uh this show is being broadcast from there i guess i could say
00:54:33.280that now that we're out of there the show is being broadcast from diocesan property for a while and
00:54:39.240uh for a while well for everything until this week and i think that i i again like i guess i
00:54:46.440guess you could say so that's full disclosure like i mean io that you know i i i was i couldn't have
00:54:52.760done this show to begin with without without that and now that we have uh this new this new space we
00:55:00.280can kind of talk about that a little bit more but the fact of the matter is is that o'grady high
00:55:03.960and the residences there that we were actually in some of them uh this was all happening for a long
00:55:09.640time and uh we're we now have to kind of consider i guess for a moment like is there anything is
00:55:18.120there anything that needs to be thought about when it comes to local high school and that sort of
00:55:21.240thing is that if the high school reopens will it be renamed i don't know what's going to happen
00:55:25.400there i i don't think that bishop o'grady personally oversaw the neglect and and and
00:55:32.520death of children i don't think that happened and i think that would be a great mark against
00:55:37.080his legacy to accuse him of such things without without black and white evidence that that's what
00:55:43.240happened i think instead the way to think about it is that like anything else when you're the
00:55:48.680administrator or something you just you kind of take your we take your role you know and hopefully
00:55:57.240you do it better, and hopefully you don't make those kinds of mistakes. But ultimately,
00:56:05.780I think that Bishop O'Grady, yes, his legacy is going to be tarnished by this, but I know
00:56:10.980that up here in Prince George, there's a lot of people who still have a deep amount
00:56:13.980of loyalty to them. So hopefully, hopefully, they're able to, you know, we're able to live
00:56:22.000through that properly but um we'll find that reconciliation when we can um a steward's
00:56:28.340supposed to be on with us shortly i should actually check my messages because maybe steward
00:56:32.680has sent me something i don't have anything right here right now oh boy there we have him he's he's
00:56:46.020he's just about here he's he's just getting things sorted on his head oh his computer his
00:56:50.900cameras on we're almost there ladies and gentlemen our favorite resident
00:56:56.620steward parker is going to come and tell us everything we need to know about uh about
00:57:03.760residential schools and what happened in kamloops this week and i'm sure other things on the news
00:57:07.820and finally as a final way of introduction uh i mean i think you said earlier this week steward
00:57:13.860on facebook that there were very few reasons you hadn't personally declared war on canada so i'm
00:57:18.740sure that the sovereigntists in the audience will be very happy to hear about why you're
00:57:23.720deciding to declare war on the Dominion of Canada. Well, good morning. And yeah, I got to say,
00:57:31.160what happened there? We got you. You're on. Okay. So, I mean, obviously,
00:57:40.600that what happened in Kamloops is it's a reminder of what Canada is about.
00:57:50.800And what we've seen coming out of the discovery of these graves is
00:57:58.380political opportunism, first and foremost, right?
00:58:05.200John Horgan is being hammered about his old growth logging policy
00:58:10.200And so yesterday he got up at his press conference and said that, you know, he has to keep logging the old growth.
00:58:19.460Otherwise, those children will have died in vain. Right.
00:58:22.660That, you know, he did not say died in vain.
00:58:27.620What he said was that if we don't continue logging the old growth, then this is just going to be a continuation of the policy that killed all those children.
00:58:36.240And for their deaths to have meaning, then we've got to keep logging the old growth.
00:58:42.600And he gave these sort of contorted word salad reasons.
00:58:47.260Now, in the case of Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland, they already had an event planned for next week.
00:58:57.820They see spending another $2 billion investigating why indigenous people are more likely to die, more likely to be poor, more likely to be murdered, et cetera.
00:59:11.340um so this is and and so it's almost like you can see this barely disguised glee on the part
00:59:20.220of canadian politicians of the left that they can now just in just the most sort of superficial
00:59:29.040um ways tie whatever it is that they want to do to somehow um this being justice uh for these
00:59:39.280murdered children and um i mean i've got to say the john horgan thing i mean it's difficult to
00:59:45.520put together exactly what he said because there's a lot of word salad going on with john horgan when
00:59:50.380he speaks in public because word salad is how serial abusers talk right you throw a bunch of
00:59:57.660words out there and you associate a bunch of stuff and um and and this is what happens so um
01:00:05.780Thank you, Aaron Eckman. Yes, I found it truly baffling that he would, in a way, you've sort of got to, I mean, there's a curious way in which you've got to sort of admire the man. Like, who could brazen it out like that?
01:00:22.100they've screwed up some forestry policy on vancouver island so a bunch of corpses of1.00
01:00:28.220aboriginal toddlers in kamloops are now the reason their forestry policy on vancouver island is good
01:00:34.680um and i think it and so some of what john horgan did it's um it's the way that you know i i remember
01:00:44.300when the movie The Aristocrats came out, and I loved that movie, right? And it's a documentary
01:00:53.220about what had previously been an inside joke amongst professional comedians, right? Where
01:00:59.680somebody walks into an office to make a pitch to a theatrical agent, and they're asked to describe
01:01:07.200the act and your job as a comedian is to talk for as long as possible and to include as many
01:01:14.800obscene bizarre and random acts in the act you're describing and the punch line at the end you get
01:01:21.680to the punch line and then the theatrical agent says and what do you call your act and the guy
01:01:27.360says we call it the aristocrats and um i feel like that's become political speech in canada now
01:01:35.600that there's just like there's a punch line you know the person's getting to and it really doesn't
01:01:42.480matter what they say before the punch line they're just like throwing out crazy stuff because it's a
01:01:48.720foregone conclusion what they're going to say which is of course you know the logging must continue
01:01:55.120or the borrowing must continue or the the whatever it is must continue and it's just filler up to
01:02:03.520that point all you're doing all they're doing is just a routine to kill time until they say the
01:02:13.040thing that everybody knows they're going to say before the joke even starts and now in the case
01:02:21.840of the trudeau government of course it um this is a serendipitous thing for them
01:02:29.680they were about to announce a pile of funding
01:02:34.640for aboriginal justice and, you know, reconciliation
01:02:40.720and blah, blah, blah, and a couple of things have happened.
01:02:47.360So first of all, they have an event to staple that to.
01:02:52.300And, of course, Justin Trudeau ran for election
01:02:55.020on the basis of justice for indigenous people in 2015,
01:02:59.680He ran for re-election on that basis in 2019.
01:03:03.960And let's be clear, he hasn't delivered nothing.
01:03:06.220He has delivered less than nothing, right?
01:26:36.840Like, finally, the sort of liberal side of the culture war has, it got too cocky, it went too crazy, and it lost all these people like me, you know, all these lifelong socialists.
01:26:51.960And at the very moment where we're like, yes, you know what?
01:26:58.260I mean, my friend Liesel put it really well.
01:26:59.960She said, I said, like, how do you, like, you know, you used to work for the NDP too.
01:27:05.540How do you handle how it's all gone? She goes, you know, Stuart, it's like every single bad,
01:27:12.340slippery slope argument the right made in the 80s turned out to be true. Like that's the reality
01:27:20.100that we're living in. Every argument we dismissed as like intellectually unsophisticated and
01:27:28.740unsupported by evidence, it actually is coming true. We can't believe it. It's really quite
01:27:34.660embarrassing and at that very moment that very moment where the majority of canadians are
01:27:41.140actually on side with conservatives on culture for the first time since like 1962
01:27:47.860um that's the moment where the conservatives go we concede
01:27:55.860and that is a very strange moment uh because i i think that if justin trudeau were to um
01:28:03.220you know choose to run the i mean the liberals clearly have noticed that their culture war
01:28:10.660positions are not going to get them through the election that's why they have to have two billion
01:28:14.980dollars on new indigenous reconciliation spending that's why they're out there promising people
01:28:21.060child care they're not doing those things you know just because they're doing those things because
01:28:28.020they think that if they go with nothing but the hate speech legislation the internet regulation
01:28:35.380legislation the conversion therapy legislation they're going to be slaughtered and uh so i was
01:28:44.100very impressed with erin o'toole when he got that job initially i felt that he was really smart in
01:28:50.340talking about private sector trade unions and how folks who aren't government employees but
01:28:57.380our union members are really at sea. But the problem is he didn't put anything material on
01:29:04.180the table for those folks. He tried to frame things in solely cultural terms. And right now,
01:29:14.660if you want to turn the tide on the de-unionization of the private sector, you actually need to hand
01:29:22.820people tools that they can use in their community to build union locals to um and and to connect
01:29:31.460those locals um to uh to others without becoming dependent on big international us-based unions
01:29:39.700um you know you look at something like the steel workers union and um uh there you think well this
01:29:49.060is great steel workers they've done phenomenal work they were crucial in exposing a lot of1.00
01:29:54.740china's crimes in uh western china you know what's going on xinjiang and with the uyghur people all
01:30:02.060that but the problem is when it comes to local fights they have no dog in those fights john0.97
01:30:10.780Horgan spent three years in office going, I'm sorry, we can't bring back card certification
01:30:18.360for unions because the Greens won't let us. He gets into power with the support of the
01:30:25.600steelworkers, and guess what? Still no card certification. There's a very basic institutional
01:30:31.460switch. And so you get Brad West, who's the mayor of Port Coquitlam, who receives more per month
01:30:37.740from the steel workers union as their guy than he does as mayor. So imagine how well
01:30:43.000he advocates for the people of Port Coquitlam. If they're not even signing as large as check,
01:30:51.360what's Brad West doing about that? Not a whole heck of a lot, right? There are all kinds
01:30:57.040of struggles that, you know, working folks have in making, in creating some kind of justice
01:31:04.380at their workplace and greater stability well done guys you've um you've delivered the worst
01:31:11.020possible cable system to canadians and yet and yet there and yet there wasn't that attempt
01:31:19.980o'toole just made that one speech about private sector unions and he just
01:31:23.820wandered along like oh maybe i'll try this next thing and see if it works
01:49:08.820they felt that there was unfinished business.
01:49:11.100And I must admit that whatever my differences are between me and my fellow aboriginals, especially those who agitate against the colonists in a particular way, where I am perhaps more sympathetic, I do agree that there's unfinished business and that needs to be resolved.
01:49:26.820And until there is, there will be no peace.
01:49:29.200Yeah, and it's really, I think that, you know, I had this epiphany when I was watching Justin Trudeau's blackface performances, right?
01:52:45.060in there oh my god you're a gem that's amazing so bang on i guess like it's it's it's not even
01:52:57.040satire or farce it's like it's a reading of facts like it's yeah it's i yeah we really live in the
01:53:05.300post-satiric age there is nothing left to satirize and you know we're gonna go into um
01:53:13.280We're almost certainly, I mean, well, O'Toole's coming up in the polls through no fault of his own, but I'm guessing that with the big Indigenous funding announcement, Trudeau will get that poll bounce and we'll go into our summer COVID election.
01:53:30.540and um that uh and we're gonna watch this absurd pageant play out on the national stage again and
01:53:41.780what and and yet while all that is going on um you know there is going to be um
01:53:52.620You know, an indigenous woman in Fort St. John or in Kitwanga, who's going to disappear during that six-week campaign?
01:54:21.020And so while we play out this ridiculous pageantry of our guilt and our liberalism, people will die and their deaths will just be fodder for the next liberal election campaign.
01:54:44.720And that's the other thing. If this goes away, the ability of liberals to narrate who they are is undermined.
01:54:57.720And the consultation industry is undermined.
01:55:03.720mind there's a whole system here that is helping people build their identities helping people get0.72
01:55:11.960and keep their jobs and very few of those people are indigenous uh so my hope is that um
01:55:22.760you know i i mean i'm just gonna have to look away from the election i don't think anything1.00
01:55:27.560good is going to happen there but my hope is that a few more people can no longer suspend disbelief
01:55:37.280uh can no longer think that this is the first apology like we have done our first apology uh
01:55:44.720more times than we've discovered climate change as a new form of science like there are some
01:55:50.060things that get discovered every two years and they're brand new every two years and eventually
01:55:57.900that has got to break through into more people's consciousness that is this deja vu no this is not
01:56:04.860deja vu this is just us reenacting the same nonsense and and so we must resolve to have a
01:56:14.620permanent change and a practical one. I completely agree. Stuart, thank you so much for coming on
01:56:20.100today. We, of course, love having you here on Thursdays to kind of help us round out the week
01:56:24.500and understand things in that in-depth level. Really appreciate your thoughts today on what
01:56:29.060happened in Kamloops and the Indian residential school question generally. All right. Thanks,
01:56:34.780Nathan. Always glad to be here. See you next week. See you next week, Stuart. Well, we're at the end
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