Western Standard - Mountain Standard Time - June 3rd 2021

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00:01:00.000 hello and good morning and welcome to mountain standard time i'm your host nathan guida and

00:01:23.020 today i'll be talking with stewart parker about the canloose residential school situation indeed

00:01:28.960 the residential school situation throughout Canada and the long storied history of said

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00:02:51.980 and the opening statement for today is pretty straightforward we'll be touching on a few

00:02:57.460 different news items this morning and of course when Stuart comes on later we'll discuss the

00:03:02.180 Kamloops residential school incident that has still got all of us reeling there's still a lot

00:03:06.180 of shock and awe around and for that matter anger around the country but if I might be allowed to

00:03:11.560 weigh into this question one last time as the token Indian I don't know if I'm the only guy

00:03:16.640 who has a status card of the standard,

00:03:18.120 but I'm definitely that guy,

00:03:20.100 at least right here, right now.

00:03:21.680 And I do have some things to say on this point.

00:03:23.580 And I would like to say,

00:03:24.280 yes, the residential school issue bothers me,

00:03:27.380 but no, don't destroy our history

00:03:29.680 in the pursuit of justice

00:03:31.420 or however you want to call it,

00:03:32.600 equity or reconciliation

00:03:33.820 or recompense, reparation.

00:03:36.780 So discarding Sir John A's statue

00:03:39.460 is not going to bring back any children

00:03:41.360 who ever died at residential school,

00:03:43.000 either through neglect or disease or abuse.

00:03:45.920 Indeed, Sir John A. was not even Prime Minister when the Indian Act was passed.

00:03:49.400 The drunk who founded this country, that is how I prefer to remember him,

00:03:52.780 was a man of many vices and a parliamentary genius.

00:03:56.300 But he was actually a rather progressive mind for his time.

00:03:59.800 If you look at what John A. was trying to do in his era,

00:04:03.980 Sir John A. was not anyone's idea of a racist individual.

00:04:08.740 He carried opinions of his time.

00:04:10.940 It's true, opinions that would not stand the test of time today.

00:04:14.380 but but nonetheless so john a1 of course conceived a country the size of you know two-thirds the

00:04:21.260 size of russia one and a half times the united states uh with nobody in it uh to build a railway

00:04:27.240 across it to combine two different cultures the french and the english the roman catholic and

00:04:31.900 the protestant on top of of course the various indigenous i never liked the word indigenous i

00:04:37.260 prefer the word indian or aboriginal myself but nonetheless various cultures across across canada

00:04:42.640 on top of the white ethnics that were then being, you know,

00:04:45.220 shuttled into the prairies after the, after the railroad was complete.

00:04:49.480 And, and he really did build a nation from coast to coast to coast.

00:04:53.140 That's, that's impressive.

00:04:54.580 And he did it honestly,

00:04:57.500 without the kind of bloodshed that most empires are made of.

00:05:01.280 It's a fact that doesn't mean there was no bloodshed,

00:05:04.060 but if you want to go pound for pound,

00:05:05.900 toe for toe with all the other empires that were doing what they were doing

00:05:08.640 at the time,

00:05:09.180 Canada's legacy in that moment

00:05:11.580 is not nearly what

00:05:13.220 others were in that

00:05:15.780 same moment and not long after

00:05:17.580 so we need to be honest about that

00:05:19.320 getting rid of Johnny isn't going to change anything

00:05:21.740 about that and it's not going to bring anybody back

00:05:23.980 making it impossible to talk

00:05:25.940 about residential schools dispassionately

00:05:27.680 even positively as some of the

00:05:29.980 senior aboriginal leadership does behind 1.00

00:05:31.900 closed doors and this is true

00:05:33.420 there are people who are currently

00:05:36.040 leaders today I mean the last

00:05:37.960 school closed in 96 so uh rounding back to 2020 that would make you you know like unless unless

00:05:44.720 you were a newborn being carried through the school it's impossible to have to be in a young

00:05:50.500 adult today and have gone to average to to residential school it's hard to even be a kind

00:05:54.880 of mid-aged adult and have gone to residential school you would have to of course be a quite

00:05:58.820 mature adult into now almost senior and elder to have gone to residential school and even amongst

00:06:05.980 those circles for all the scars there are and this is not discounting any of the terrible things that 0.99

00:06:10.020 that did occur the fact of the matter is that there are those in aboriginal leadership positions

00:06:16.900 let alone other positions that do that do confess that had they not been put through the rigor

00:06:21.700 of an of a curriculum that stayed quite traditional well into the 20th century late 20th century when

00:06:28.340 other curriculums were beginning to go broke and get woke uh the the because it was a usually

00:06:34.600 a Catholic or Christian curriculum, or at least being run by them, they were ensuring that a more

00:06:40.900 liberal arts sort of approach was kept. I'm guessing that grammar and rhetoric and Latin

00:06:45.920 weren't being struck out of the residential school system as quickly as they were in other ones.

00:06:50.200 And further to that point, again, because of the kind of people who were running it,

00:06:54.840 it was rigorous, unlike the kind of soft shoe that we're doing nowadays at a lot of public schools.

00:06:59.880 So that needs to be counted. And the discipline that ensued there, again, not saying that that was okay and not saying that when it became abusive, that was okay. Even so, the issue at hand is that we have to remember that it formed people, not unlike basic training forms people, not unlike, well, quite frankly, speaking of having the church teach you.

00:07:20.580 you go and live in seminary minor seminary down down south here for for you know the five years

00:07:26.660 of your of your adolescent life of your uh high school career it forms you forms you getting up

00:07:32.160 at 5 a.m and going to church it forms you having only certain times for recreation it forms you

00:07:36.720 not having constant access to the internet of course that was different back then but you get

00:07:40.120 what i'm trying to say and they are separate from society um that's cool and that's how schooling

00:07:45.120 used to be um indeed residential schools were based off the old english school model

00:07:50.880 which was how aristocrats educated their children sending them away to residential schools so we

00:07:56.480 need to be clear about that but we need to talk about that dispassionately we need to be honest

00:08:00.240 about the things that were positive that certain people remember and we have to also remember that

00:08:06.160 there are perfectly legitimate lines of inquiry around the entire indian act including the

00:08:10.160 the residential schools uh that do not require outrage as their fundamental basis outrage is

00:08:15.180 never a good form of investigation and we need to be careful with that very careful it's very

00:08:19.220 you know passionate emotion finally it must be acknowledged that residential schools were

00:08:23.300 actually considered an innovative even progressive policy prescription for their time and this is

00:08:27.500 going to be kind of surprising i mean a lot of people i'm sure are anticipating that when stewart

00:08:31.780 gets on here which is going to be around 10 a.m pacific 11 a.m mountain uh that there's going to

00:08:38.540 be some back and forth and i think this might be this is probably going to be one of our more

00:08:41.600 controversial shows but the fact of the matter is that even stewart's going to actually have

00:08:45.920 some lambasting to do when it comes to the left because this was a progressive idea it was an

00:08:51.160 extremely progressive idea we have to remember that everything today that kind of got sucked up

00:08:55.900 into say the problem is really the nazis like everything comes back to the nazis the problem

00:09:02.000 is that the nazis took a whole bunch of ideas that were actually progressive for their time

00:09:06.460 But they syncretized it and synthesized it into a right-wing identitarian message, this kind of right-of-center understanding of Germany and the Volk and the history of Germany and the very pagan elements of Germany, because Hitler, of course, didn't want the Christian elements of Germany.

00:09:22.140 He thought that made them soft, because that's the argument Nietzsche made.

00:09:24.820 We're getting off topic here. The point is, though, that from the people's car, right, Volkswagen, right, from the people's car all the way to the public schooling system that was developed under the Nazis out into, of course, eugenics, which is, again, a very progressive idea in the late 19th century and abortion for that matter, too.

00:09:42.520 like those ideas they get trumped up into these weird kind of racial sort of understandings about

00:09:49.220 the right but the fact of the matter is that they were progressive ideas and case in point is

00:09:54.900 right here uh the the idea of putting people through school is not actually a very conservative

00:10:01.460 idea not in most of its elements and even so where conservatives do value it um it's it's usually not

00:10:08.820 as holistic as a lot of this is depending on where you're counting from the point is that

00:10:13.700 residential schools were tied up in the same kind of school of thought as a lot of other progressive

00:10:18.100 ideas the same kind of people that were giving us social engineering the same kind of people

00:10:22.020 that were giving us uh darwinism that those were progressive ideas of the late 19th century and we

00:10:27.540 need to be honest about that um so finally we we also need to acknowledge that even if you might

00:10:32.980 not agree with the method uh the methods being used around the world particularly the united

00:10:37.220 States against Aboriginals were essentially enslavement as well as violence. We have to be

00:10:42.600 clear about that. Again, if you want to use the word indigenous as a kind of term of solidarity

00:10:47.080 between me and anybody else who is colonized, anybody that was here already when some visitors

00:10:55.280 showed up and started running the joint, most of which I'm very thankful for, to be honest with you.

00:11:00.460 The fact of the matter is that just about everywhere else in North America and in Southern

00:11:06.060 america and throughout the the rest of what is now called the third world um through africa and 0.61

00:11:12.140 india and the rest of it uh slavery and violence were kind of the tools of the trade uh people were 0.56

00:11:18.620 enslaved people were put to work people were put into indentured servitude and there was a great

00:11:23.820 amount of violence visited upon all sorts of populations around the world not all the time

00:11:28.540 not at every instance not every five minutes but there but this did occur and and it was more

00:11:33.580 brutal in some places than others canada north america in general but canada it specifically

00:11:40.380 did not have that same legacy slavery slavery actually occurred between us aboriginals far

00:11:45.660 more frequently than it did between the colonizers and the aboriginal population in canada and so we

00:11:50.780 need to be honest about that uh and so the fact of the matter is that again even if you think that

00:11:55.820 the residential schools of canada took a different approach a bad one perhaps it still was less

00:12:01.260 overtly wicked or violent or or or crushing than these other ones were so finally we must allow uh 0.78

00:12:08.860 or rather we must not allow our outrage to overrule the facts were residential schools bad 0.90

00:12:14.860 the the result and the scars that we have today bear out that as a general policy this was not 0.95

00:12:21.900 perhaps the best idea and in the moments where it did terrible things the answer is yes those

00:12:28.780 were bad things the people the actors any of the abuse that occurred when that when those things

00:12:34.220 happened and of course the tragedy of being far away from home perhaps being you know deep you

00:12:41.260 know d d program from your home culture into a new culture but furthermore the fact that you're

00:12:46.620 far away from home and could suffer from disease and die anonymously cast into a grave quickly

00:12:52.700 because we had to keep you know that people had to keep the disease from spreading that's that's

00:12:57.260 awful that's awful that is bad there's no question that's bad is what happened in kamloops tolerable

00:13:03.180 by today's standards answer is no of course not of course it isn't we must understand as best we can

00:13:09.180 who these children are we must contact their families we must give people rest give people

00:13:16.380 peace let people be laid to rest properly this is this is a fundamental thing this goes back this is

00:13:22.060 not a this is not a reconciliation thing this is not an aboriginal versus white thing

00:13:27.820 we going as far back in in white culture to say it that way european indo-european culture and

00:13:34.060 western culture all the way back to the pagan stories of properly burying people and of course

00:13:39.900 the story of antigone we all were taught at some point hopefully by our english lit teacher

00:13:45.180 that that there is a fundamental justice and fundamental justice says that the dead must be

00:13:49.420 be buried they must be buried properly and laid to rest they're not to be abused and so we need to

00:13:55.060 make sure that these bodies go where they belong and that people are laid to rest properly it's

00:14:00.740 also a corporal act of mercy within the catholic faith um burying the dead feeding feeding the

00:14:06.680 hungry caring for the sick you know clothing the clothing the the naked and uh burying the dead

00:14:13.380 is one of them so finally considering uh the kid that and considering kids in care today this is

00:14:19.460 really important to me i think i think it's really important that we we remember this considering the

00:14:24.700 kids in care today a disproportionate amount of whom are aboriginal can we please consider using

00:14:30.240 our anger to change things in the lives of people right now rather than tear down ghosts of the past

00:14:36.200 or swing it goes to the past i i think that this is something that really cues up for me pretty

00:14:42.480 strongly because i am really you know you know i'm really i just feel really strongly about the

00:14:54.600 fact that we have kids in care today and honestly i don't think the foster system we have today if

00:15:00.560 you really want to compare the two systems the foster system i think has no candle to hold

00:15:06.240 compared to the residential school system if you're gonna i'm gonna wax philosophical here

00:15:11.420 Look, I mean, I got to fill a few minutes here before Stuart gets on, if you don't mind.

00:15:15.080 We've got we've got actually a comment here from Emily Stewart.

00:15:18.780 Were the children murdered?

00:15:20.300 The media is making it sound like they were murdered.

00:15:21.900 Was it 215 individual graves found?

00:15:24.860 As far as I know, it's not 215 individual graves.

00:15:28.560 It's actually probably combinations of graves.

00:15:31.380 I do not believe that there was just 215 people in one grave site.

00:15:36.320 I don't think that's correct, though.

00:15:38.240 admittedly once you have a unmarked grave area you're going to quite literally not know where

00:15:44.260 the next body goes because you don't have it properly marked unless that earth was recently

00:15:48.500 disturbed or the same groundskeeper is doing the work not trying to be cold about that or clinical

00:15:53.560 I'm just stating as a fact just like anything in your backyard if you know where it is then you

00:16:00.660 know where it is but if somebody else buys your house you don't know they don't know what's in

00:16:05.280 your backyard because they weren't there when you did that whatever it was that you did planted this

00:16:09.420 there moved this there innovated this put something in to keep the sod from falling down they don't

00:16:14.620 know what that is so we don't know exactly how it's going when it comes to uh it's coming to

00:16:22.020 the mass grave question and is it all in one grave i think it's unlikely i think it's more

00:16:26.720 likely that there's multiple graves uh smallpox and tb was also a suggested issue for why this

00:16:32.780 happened uh and the problem the problem is that uh we must remember that child mortality was quite

00:16:40.940 high in the early 20th century quite high it was still high like i mean compared to the 18th century

00:16:46.780 it was lower but still child mortality was a real thing um and child mortality is still a thing

00:16:52.540 today uh we don't talk about it as much and of course ever since abortion became legalized child

00:16:57.660 mortality has kind of paled by comparison we actually we we care more about child mortality

00:17:02.380 today because we have fewer children so it's less common that children die but uh it's more tragic

00:17:10.620 because not that not that any soul is replaceable and uh we love all of our children equally and we

00:17:17.260 need to love them as a special gifts from god but the fact of the matter is is that people are quite

00:17:21.740 fragile especially at their youngest stage and so in days of yore again not to put it too

00:17:28.780 clinically or coldly children could die and the parents of those children understood that and

00:17:35.180 they also understood that that's why they had more children today we have fewer children because we

00:17:41.820 expect every child that we have to live and not to suffer from uh some kind of tragedy and and

00:17:49.660 suddenly go back to god who made them and so that's that's a hard thing to swallow i understand

00:17:56.620 that that can sound quite quite dark but but this is true this is very true and our culture has

00:18:03.340 in my opinion unfortunately gone the route of having too few children and having too few

00:18:08.460 children the children it's not that they're overvalued it's just that they then the the

00:18:13.100 tragedy strikes in a far more sharper way and for that matter people can't usually reproduce

00:18:18.620 more children because they usually have the two children and then usually sterilize themselves

00:18:24.920 or three children and sterilize themselves so they don't have the ability to produce more children

00:18:29.360 and so we've we've kind of created our own problem there not to say that every child isn't precious

00:18:34.880 every child is precious but there was a different cultural understanding of that not that long ago

00:18:39.680 so I think I think that we need to be clear here with a couple of things is there any connection

00:18:46.780 to the uh un declaration uh regarding i think that's indigenous peoples right

00:18:54.540 uh rights of indigenous peoples that's right my my producers give me that uh that is trying to

00:18:59.820 pass it was passed provincially in bc already i knew that my provincial my uh my yeah my

00:19:05.820 provincial well he is a provincial guy uh my producer is trying to remind me of that but

00:19:10.060 that's that's true that already passed in british columbia so so i guess they're trying to they're

00:19:16.220 they're trying to pass it everywhere it's it's interesting uh i don't think that that's going

00:19:20.620 to help us like i want to be very clear here like i'm i'm a very assimilated indian okay i am like

00:19:27.160 i was raised by whites i was raised away from the reserve system i was raised away from the abuse

00:19:32.220 that usually uh follows uh in those steps and in that poverty my mother was unwed uh she was 0.57

00:19:40.200 impregnant by somebody who apparently you know uh must have looked pretty italian because if i give

00:19:44.620 you my side profile. I mean, that's, I don't look like an Indian in the side profile. My nose is a 0.72

00:19:50.380 little bit too Roman for that. So as far as we know, I think what my mother told my parents was

00:19:54.860 that my father was Sicilian. So I have a ship passing in the night for a father. I have a

00:20:00.440 mother that I've never met, my biological mother. And then I have my adopted white parents. I was

00:20:07.200 adopted from birth. And I was raised away from all of the

00:20:12.300 tragedy and trauma that that usually surrounds, quite

00:20:17.540 frankly, being an Indian in Canada, like it does, it's

00:20:19.840 especially if you're on reserve. And so I, I know that a lot of

00:20:24.640 people then say I have nothing to say about this stuff. And I

00:20:28.320 would say, well, in response, that's not fair. Because one, I

00:20:32.160 feel solidarity with my people. I do believe that my people need

00:20:36.680 to be treated better. I do believe that my people need to be properly, you know, properly cared for

00:20:43.980 and that whatever is just, whatever ought to be done when it comes to the Indian Act and that

00:20:49.680 sort of thing needs to take place. We can't live in this, stuck in this way with the Indian Act 0.78

00:20:56.240 and everything else and with the holding back of the people from themselves and the 1.00

00:21:01.300 Aboriginal leadership that does actually visit all sorts of harm upon its own people. 0.92

00:21:06.680 That needs to stop. And I've always been an outspoken advocate for the little guy, the little Indian guy, as it turns out, the little Aboriginal guy as well. So I've been very consistent on this. But I've never been not transparent about the fact I don't pretend to have been, you know, raised in a perfectly Indigenous way. If you want to use that term, I don't pretend to be full of traditional culture and traditional understandings of things. 1.00

00:21:32.000 You know, I like Bannock as much as the next guy, but we all know Bannock came from the Scots because, of course, Bannock is refined flour and refined flour did not exist on this continent until the white man came.

00:21:43.640 So I think that the problem, the problem is that we have to be honest around what happened, right?

00:21:52.220 We have to be honest about what happened.

00:21:53.760 And when we're looking at the residential school system, it was a very particular solution to a very particular problem. 0.67

00:22:04.060 And the fact of the matter remains, you have people walking at the first steps of white people into North America, not counting the Vikings when they found Newfoundland. 0.59

00:22:15.740 uh the first steps of white people non-indigenous people europeans into i just prefer to say the

00:22:23.100 white man to be honest with you the first steps of of of europeans non-indigenous uh people into

00:22:28.900 north america they were still kind of transitioning actually even from swords to gunpowder right like

00:22:34.740 not every single person was packing you know was packing black powder uh there was still a lot of

00:22:40.660 bows and arrows probably in the hinterland of their various countries uh you know especially

00:22:46.380 by peasants or yeomen who were hunting the the king's deer poaching them illegally i happen to

00:22:52.060 know a guy who's descended from those people i'm looking at them right now anyways good people

00:22:57.040 the point being that that these these these things happened and and a people group like my

00:23:05.440 like my own that was had no horses no wheels no fabrics to speak of nothing nothing advanced in

00:23:15.140 that respect stone age tools and rudimentary agriculture if you count the mohawk and even

00:23:21.400 the mayan like yes they had plantations in this and mesoamerican area but even there

00:23:25.880 and highly organized societies to a certain extent in the mesoamerican area that had decided that

00:23:30.940 human sacrifice was a great way of moving forward i i i think that we need to be honest about this

00:23:37.640 and say look when the old world met the new world there was a lot of tragedy there was a it was hard

00:23:45.040 diseases spread because of course one group had the resistances the other group did not

00:23:50.060 and cultures clashed as they would have canada's experience with this was miles better than most

00:23:59.400 other first contacts around the world and what we need to be honest about when it comes to

00:24:05.220 residential school system is you know 250 years since the beginning of contact and and really

00:24:11.580 more almost like 300 years since the beginning of contact we now had a problem and the problem was

00:24:17.040 you couldn't have a stone age culture and an industrialized culture live side by side that

00:24:24.200 was nonsense you couldn't do that that couldn't happen it they couldn't live independently of one

00:24:30.580 another that can work in the amazon when literally the you know space age culture doesn't want to

00:24:37.180 leave the beaches of rio de janeiro because why would they i mean that's where everybody's wearing

00:24:41.780 their beach wear so it's hard to kind of leave you know hard to leave the beach you know you get kind

00:24:45.960 of distracted uh and for that matter that's where all of the industrialized life is that's where all

00:24:51.120 if there is any manufacturing that's where those jobs would be so you go into the amazon the deep

00:24:56.260 amazon who wants to live there if you're from the space age technology people you don't want to live

00:25:01.420 there there's no there's nowhere to live you'd have to build from scratch and so the quote unquote

00:25:06.980 you know contactless tribes or the aboriginal groups in the deep amazon i mean they're good 0.95

00:25:12.400 to go they're fine for another who knows maybe another two centuries they're not going to have 0.99

00:25:16.480 to change or adapt because well they don't deal with the people on the coast but that's not how

00:25:22.640 it happens in canada i mean admittedly admittedly the least the least uh kind of inculturated that

00:25:30.160 is to say from non-aboriginal culture inwards so from from european culture western culture

00:25:36.540 inwards probably the most non-culturated or non-non-mixed culture uh in canada is just like

00:25:42.640 the remoteness of the Amazon it's probably our Inuit population the Inuit population has a semi

00:25:48.220 written language well I've written there is a written language I don't know how much of that

00:25:52.860 is based on their own writing and how much of that has been done together in collaboration with

00:25:57.940 the post-contact world but there is a written language and it's used and it's used for phonetic

00:26:02.500 pronunciation that I know because when I was up in Churchill Manitoba living in the rectory

00:26:06.340 you can go down into the into the basement of the rectory and there's a bindery there they are

00:26:10.720 translating things into Inuktitut. So Inuktitut is a written language, and people are doing it

00:26:17.040 live. They're doing that in real time. The church is still helping with this. So speaking of the

00:26:21.080 church, the church being everywhere, including the places nobody wants to be because nobody can make

00:26:24.400 any money at it. And the thing is that when it comes to the question of crossing cultures, just

00:26:32.120 as the point being the unadulterated, if you want to put it that way, Amazonian cultures, there's a

00:26:37.280 similar thing that happens in northern canada where yes the technology has changed now they

00:26:43.520 ride bobsleds and uh and not bobsleds well that was silly but this ride skidoos though i'm sure

00:26:49.440 there are some bobsleds up there too they definitely have toboggans um they ride they

00:26:53.760 ride skidoos and they have they still have dog teams around but for the most part people of

00:26:57.840 course are on skidoo they have rifles instead of instead of harpoons so they still use harpoons 0.98

00:27:02.760 to pull narwhal and other things out of the

00:27:04.840 water. But that

00:27:06.900 is probably the most

00:27:08.200 properly preserved

00:27:10.840 or holistic culture that we

00:27:12.920 have in Canada when it comes

00:27:14.920 to Aboriginal people, is the Inuk

00:27:16.880 Tatuk. Sorry, that's their language, 1.00

00:27:18.620 the Inuit. And 1.00

00:27:20.660 singular is Inuk.

00:27:22.540 So I am an Inuk, is how you

00:27:24.840 would say that. I am an Inuk versus I am part

00:27:26.940 of the Inuit, which is

00:27:28.600 the people group. And that's

00:27:30.820 because they were the last ones contacted so they kind of got they kind of got out of the bell curve

00:27:36.480 right so instead of being pushed along the bell curve the whole way they just kind of got taken

00:27:41.320 at the end uh and and at the end they they kind of got most of the three most of the benefits of

00:27:47.520 civilization without suffering as much of the tragedy that's not to say there hasn't been there

00:27:51.700 is alcoholism there is drug abuse there are issues when it comes to family systems that

00:27:56.080 have broken down and yes there were children seized there's no question there were children

00:27:59.700 seized off the land off of out of communities and so that's a difficult terrible thing but if

00:28:05.520 you're looking for a kind of culture that is as preserved as it could be considering modern the

00:28:11.520 modern life you're looking at the uh inuit now why why uh i i why do we why do we you know need

00:28:23.300 to dwell on this i think we need to dwell on this for a couple of reasons because when it comes to

00:28:28.200 what happened in Kamloops when it comes to the Indian Act and when it comes to the again this

00:28:33.280 problem of contact the literally cultures that were thousands of years apart in development if

00:28:39.040 you're using a purely materialistic lens though even at a spiritual level the only thing I'll say

00:28:45.000 is this I'm very thankful to be a part of a religion that has a final judgment I don't want

00:28:49.520 to be I remember once somebody explaining to me some of the traditional beliefs inside of what

00:28:55.260 would have been my culture um the aboriginal culture and and this was this was a western bc

00:29:01.180 sort of thing it was different that's not the part of canada i'm from when it comes to my aboriginal

00:29:05.280 heritage but nonetheless it seemed to be a pretty familiar idea was this idea that that instead of

00:29:11.540 there being a final judgment based on your actions uh you just kind of wander around in the land of

00:29:17.880 the dead and i'm not i'm not really interested in that because i don't really understand how

00:29:20.920 you create a proper ethical framework from that i'm not saying it's an inferior belief system

00:29:24.560 necessarily i'm just saying that i i personally prefer the idea there being a final trumpet

00:29:29.600 sounding and and us all having to face our maker and give an account of what we've done and the

00:29:34.700 idea of you know they're not really being a right or wrong to whether or not me or this guy two

00:29:39.020 warriors met in a field and one bashed the other's heads in and the other guy lives another 20 years

00:29:43.240 and this guy's gone who who goes to heaven who goes to hell well that's just not even a question

00:29:47.960 it's like well sorry i don't i i don't i don't know how i could subscribe to that like that's

00:29:53.600 not that's not really me man but uh that's a different question altogether coming back to

00:29:58.920 to this point though of contact you can't have a culture that has literally you know gunpowder and

00:30:06.180 steel versus well and then guns germs and steel if you want to use jared diamond's analogy though

00:30:12.160 i think jared diamond is like that that that author that nobody read but everybody has his book

00:30:17.200 sorry jared hope you're doing okay i'm sure you're making lots of money off that book everyone keeps

00:30:21.360 buying and not reading but the point that i i would like to make here is that you have one

00:30:27.940 culture that's got guns germs and steel and you got another culture that's using stone age tools

00:30:31.400 those two cultures are not going to coexist in perfect harmony how do you fix this problem

00:30:37.560 the solution that was come up by extremely progressive people for their time let's be

00:30:43.140 absolutely clear here residential schools were a progressive policy prescription the more

00:30:47.540 conservative that well the reactionary prescription was what the u.s cavalry were doing to my direct

00:30:53.820 ancestors the assiniboine and the sioux the american sioux sitting bull and all the gang and

00:30:59.040 given how many wives he had i'm probably directly related to that guy um that that was a system that

00:31:04.580 was far more common okay we're just going to go in there we're going to use the sword and we're

00:31:08.400 going to use we're going to just clear out the land we're going to get rid of these people get

00:31:12.460 out of the way put them on reserve land huddle them on and get out and out of the way and 0.78

00:31:17.240 that was more typical that was far more typical well we didn't do that in Canada what we did was

00:31:23.740 we took a different direction and that other direction was hey let's let's try and civilize

00:31:30.500 these people and assimilate them through the education system that was a radical idea a radical

00:31:37.040 idea for its time incredibly progressive incredibly forward thinking in and I mean all that in air

00:31:43.280 quotes. I don't even mean them in sneer quotes. It's just, if you're going to use those, those

00:31:47.800 monikers, that's what it was. So there, there we were at the end of the night, you know, at the

00:31:53.580 end of the 19th century, trying to figure out how we were going to take people who were literally

00:31:58.500 still living traditional means and bring them into, into civilization. I personally, if I could

00:32:04.400 get a time machine, what I would have done, I don't know if I would have given Louis Riel,

00:32:08.820 the benefit of the doubt, because I think Louis Riel went a little bit sideways and got clearly

00:32:13.880 carried away with his kind of obsessive messianic sort of self-image. And he was a polygamist too,

00:32:23.720 for that matter. The point is that what I would say is that I would probably go back. I wouldn't

00:32:29.620 maybe accept Louis Riel's interpretation of things, but I probably would have done what the 0.99

00:32:34.660 Métis were trying to do in southern Manitoba, I would have tried to basically keep that model

00:32:40.960 alive, which is to say that all Aboriginal peoples and the mixed race of peoples that 0.92

00:32:47.140 was beginning to develop because of the interrelations between Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals

00:32:51.880 should essentially be given their stake in the country and put into a homesteading mode. 0.93

00:32:58.400 And that way, slowly but surely, assimilation would have happened in a very kind of, you

00:33:04.640 understanding of the homestead so i mean you have to deal with your neighbors because you're living

00:33:09.760 next to them and you have to deal with the realities of new technology and everything

00:33:14.240 else because you're farming and you're crop rotating and there's all sorts of crazy things

00:33:17.840 going on and and that that's what i would have done so uh pretty straightforward i would have

00:33:24.240 tried to essentially have the two cultures i mean maybe that's a more french understanding but just

00:33:28.880 just breed and become one culture and develop a single culture.

00:33:35.840 So that's what I would have done.

00:33:37.300 But, of course, I wasn't in charge then.

00:33:39.200 So, unfortunately, the progressive mindset won the day,

00:33:44.140 and that was a system of enclosure.

00:33:46.940 We enclosed the Indians onto their land, onto very specific pieces of property,

00:33:51.960 which usually weren't arable, usually weren't the greatest pieces of property, 0.78

00:33:55.780 and that's not good.

00:33:56.860 and then we help the children assimilate into being into being good good citizens of Canada

00:34:06.680 and as a fundamental concept that that doesn't seem so wrong but of course the way that it got

00:34:12.420 executed and it's funny like everything else in the Canadian government they always give the most

00:34:16.820 vital tasks to third parties so they gave this task to the churches I'm not saying it would have

00:34:22.600 any better being done by bureaucrats it's just that it's funny because that's just how how can

00:34:27.480 it is it's like well we're we're kind of cheap so we're going to outsource this problem to uh

00:34:32.760 to the churches so they did that and of course we know what resulted um there were some instances

00:34:39.080 of real good there were some instances of banality and and you know maybe neglect and and just kind of

00:34:44.600 in the general malaise of life and then finally there were of course intense abuses that could

00:34:49.800 happened in certain places at certain times and that's that's inexcusable and the people i again

00:34:57.320 if i was in charge you you better believe that as much as i might sound like an apologist in general

00:35:02.340 not just for the roman catholic church but also for uh for for the concept at least the idea of

00:35:08.820 residential schools or at least the idea of of there being an integration between the two cultures

00:35:13.840 that was facilitated institutionally if you want to use kind of long words like that to get around

00:35:18.440 the point um i i if i was in charge now you better believe that we would have capital punishment and

00:35:25.180 anybody and everybody who had been brought to trial and found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt

00:35:30.400 by a jury of their peers uh for having committed these abuses in these places would and and even

00:35:36.120 the ones who are already sentenced they would be executed there's no question absolutely none

00:35:41.960 they would be executed um you can't have you can't have those capital offenses allowed to continue

00:35:49.080 um that's wrong and you can't let people who committed those offenses get away with it

00:35:53.580 so again with right with right evidence and right trials that's that's what should happen

00:35:58.460 there's no question and that goes for and that goes for everywhere i want to be very clear about

00:36:02.480 that it's not just about residential school abuse situations it's about you know you get a

00:36:07.820 serial church abuser, someone within the church, that's the exact same thing that should happen

00:36:12.340 there. Once it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt, same thing that happens in any institution,

00:36:16.100 RCMP officer doing it to subordinates, military officers doing it to subordinates. It doesn't

00:36:21.380 matter where you are. Abuse, abuse must be met with that level of deterrence. I absolutely believe

00:36:27.160 that. So that was a bit of a bit of a, yeah, it was a bit of a trail, but let's, let's get back

00:36:32.880 on on some of the news items we have here. Let's see. We've got a couple of things here. I'm trying

00:36:40.340 to keep my producer from putting up the CBC one. I know we'll all get yelled at for that. But we're

00:36:46.020 going to we're going to do we're going to do the pride boycott. We'll start there. So we're going 0.95

00:36:52.360 to shift gears a little bit. Technically speaking, June is pride month. I don't know who decides

00:36:57.420 these things that was declared at some point, I think actually under the Clinton administration,

00:37:03.380 which I'm old enough to remember. Just barely. I don't know how they're keeping that guy

00:37:09.360 alive. He's getting old. But here we are. And we've got, of course, the pride boycott

00:37:16.560 of Halifax Library, a disturbing attack on free expression. Now, we should give some 1.00

00:37:21.300 credit where credit's due. That's Adam Zivo. I don't know who Adam Zivo is. I'm guessing

00:37:26.180 that he's a part-time columnist for the national post given that's where this is posted but let's

00:37:30.480 just take a look so last week halifax pride boycotted halifax public library over a refusal 0.93

00:37:35.600 to pull a book from its shelves the book irreversible damage the transgender craze seducing

00:37:39.660 our daughters by abigail schreier is considered by many to be transphobic and rife with misinformation

00:37:45.360 the boycott is part of a disturbing pattern of canadian pride festivals penalizing library

00:37:50.180 systems for defending freedom of expression we're going to stop right there you know what's a

00:37:55.060 beautiful thing i i mean the joke is the joke that many liberals used to make especially during

00:38:01.980 kind of the late the late austerity period of the early aughts if you want to use uh uh aughts

00:38:07.560 instead of the 2000s uh is that you know well if if conservatives had it their way they would

00:38:13.580 have banned libraries like i mean thank god we built those libraries when liberals were still

00:38:17.460 in charge a more liberal element of of of society was in charge of the political system and it's

00:38:23.080 Like, OK, fun fact, it turns out that radical leftists, which is who that would be, not just because they're in a pride parade, but because, no, there's genuinely radical leftists who are part of pride movements, are now protesting libraries.

00:38:39.000 Like, you can't get more liberal than a library, right?

00:38:41.520 Like, in a pure freedom sense, right?

00:38:44.520 Anything and everything, like, technically speaking, even the most graphic book that's ever been published that's incredibly pornographic or whatever, it has an IBSN number, and it is in the Library of Congress, right?

00:38:57.940 Like, it has been put into the great library of the Western world, and all the great libraries of the Western world, right?

00:39:03.840 So the most graphic, the most violent, the most vile thing, the Mein Kampf, you know, the Communist Manifesto, it doesn't matter what it is.

00:39:11.740 They're all in a library somewhere.

00:39:13.640 And the rule about libraries is just like embassies, there is a do not trespass rule.

00:39:18.280 You're not allowed to attack an embassy because that's sovereign territory.

00:39:21.780 And it's the idea is that if someone needs asylum, they can go to an embassy.

00:39:25.280 And libraries are the embassies of knowledge.

00:39:27.760 You don't get to trespass a library.

00:39:29.980 You know why?

00:39:30.440 because whether you're right wing or left wing whether you're rich or poor the library will

00:39:34.440 always stand and if you are literate or you take a course there to become more literate

00:39:39.320 you are capable of using this resource which is literally the repository of all man's knowledge

00:39:45.880 all of mankind's knowledge for eternity from beginning to end amen that's the point of a

00:39:51.960 library and the joke is that somehow some way we have managed to get to a point where right wingers

00:39:59.960 even right-wingers who might think that libraries are a waste of money are defending not that i

00:40:05.540 actually do i want to be clear i don't but i just mean in general a kind of reactionary position

00:40:09.660 well they're spending another 10 million dollars upgrading the library good god what's that about

00:40:13.620 admittedly in prince george they did just upgrade the library and it cost a lot of money because

00:40:18.280 they built a set of stairs that was 10 gajillion dollars and i don't know who designed those

00:40:22.480 stairs but they need to good for you man fleecing us for 10 whatever zillion dollars the point is

00:40:28.520 that that you know that reactionary position it's ironic that you know somehow some way the only way

00:40:33.900 you can make that reactionary suddenly a big pro-library advocate go get a library card join

00:40:38.720 the board of directors of the library is that you had a bunch of radical crazy people waving the

00:40:43.920 rainbow flag which we all remember was actually supposed to be a sign that god wasn't going to

00:40:48.560 flood the earth again which is the reason why some of us have doubts about the climate changing a

00:40:52.500 is that of course the point is you've managed to completely reverse the situation so you could

00:41:00.240 have radical leftists who were there defending the library instead they are protesting the library

00:41:05.500 and they're just giving another boon to the right now all of a sudden the the right is the the

00:41:11.460 they're the library board apparently the library board is right-wing nobody would ever think of a

00:41:16.180 librarian as a right-wing person for the most part but there we are we're there we've gotten there

00:41:21.960 that's that's the world we live in it's bizarre we're going to keep going down this article here

00:41:25.960 and see what else is going on um in 2019 we lost that we need it back we need it back where are we

00:41:34.020 going there you go in 2019 megan murphy a writer frequently accused of transphobia was invited to

00:41:41.180 speak at a third party event hosted at the toronto public library in response uh sorry uh so in

00:41:47.260 response pride toronto published an open letter melodramatically stating that there will be

00:41:51.440 consequences to our relationship for this betrayal you know i use that line on somebody the other way

00:41:55.920 this is the kind of thing people don't forget they didn't like it they really didn't like it but

00:41:59.800 hopefully they remember anyways there will be consequences to our relationship for this betrayal

00:42:05.740 i should use that line that same year vancouver pride banned its local library system from the

00:42:11.080 parade for allowing murphy to book a space for that event um i'm just i'm just blown away here

00:42:18.300 like i mean it's kind of a joke uh we'll scroll down just a little bit i just saw the term gay

00:42:26.280 days hold on scroll down scroll down scroll down uh actually i guess i have a mouse i can do this

00:42:30.940 myself can't i i should learn how to do this my producer wants me to learn how to produce better

00:42:35.640 yeah there we go look at that i just scrolled uh when lgbtq folks were pariahs condemned as evil

00:42:42.660 and unnatural it was freedom of expression that gave them a right to public existence

00:42:46.660 shielding them from state and social censorship for example when politicians wanted to exile

00:42:51.320 gay days an early form of public lgbtq activism from toronto's public parks freedom of expression

00:42:58.620 nullified that when public officials misused pornography laws to outlaw early lgbtq cultural 0.68

00:43:04.680 publications they failed on similar grounds so that's so that's the old way right so that's like

00:43:10.000 the aclu from another time right that's the larry flint aclu that's that's the civil libertarians

00:43:15.740 of last generation and that's how they fought their corner they're like look you can't just

00:43:20.820 mistreat somebody because they have a different sexual orientation than you let's be clear i i

00:43:25.620 belong to a faith and hold the personal belief that this is a disordered passion and that it's

00:43:30.660 not it's not correct that's my opinion that's where i stand i'm a social conservative and that's

00:43:36.440 where i stand on that issue when it comes to homosexuality and lesbianism etc let alone the

00:43:41.760 transgender question but that doesn't mean that inside of a democracy a liberal democracy a

00:43:48.040 secular democracy with charter rights that people whom i vehemently disagree with and do not believe

00:43:54.100 are on the right side of this issue don't have a right to make their position heard they do they

00:43:59.180 absolutely do they have the right to congregate they have the right to assemble they have a right

00:44:02.560 to speak and publish things and they have a right to freely associate without fear of reprisal

00:44:07.420 that's completely correct as long as they're not being terrorists about it they can totally do

00:44:12.240 whatever they want now well within the bounds of of course public reason as well because there are

00:44:17.500 obscenity laws for a reason i can't sit naked on my front lawn you can't walk naked down main street

00:44:22.300 that's fine but the point is that it's it's just mind-boggling to me that they've decided to go the

00:44:28.640 other way which is now that they now they didn't just want tolerance they didn't just want things

00:44:32.620 to uh to to go their way now they want supremacy you know they it's funny because it's always

00:44:37.920 projection when it comes to the left right so keep talking about white supremacy as if that's

00:44:42.180 if that's that's a like a real issue in canada in any significant way that's nonsense there they

00:44:48.980 do white supremacists exist sure they do they exist everywhere i guess but does anybody think

00:44:55.260 that some town or some part of this country is about to be seized by a bunch of white supremacists

00:45:00.400 nobody does funny fact though we're in pride days pride month whatever and the big parades are

00:45:06.160 coming and let me tell you that those streets will be seized by the people in charge of these events

00:45:11.500 and further to that apparently they are going to try and seize the means of seize the means of 0.79

00:45:17.060 production the old marxist cry they're going to try and seize the means of knowledge they're

00:45:21.220 going to try and make sure that at the library you can't have certain books how does that make sense 0.92

00:45:28.420 that doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense at all why would you do that why would you

00:45:33.840 why would you take away someone else's freedom of expression that's a really bad idea that's

00:45:39.060 a really good way to incite someone to violence actually right because if i'm not allowed to speak

00:45:46.840 then the only way i have to express myself is is violence i mean jordan peterson's been very clear

00:45:52.940 on this point that's someone we should try and get on the show do you think we could get jordan

00:45:56.220 peterson on the show i'm looking at my producer and he's giving me a shrug he's like yeah you're

00:46:00.540 not big enough yet nobody cares what you think all right thank you um i couldn't possibly have

00:46:06.900 said that said my producer all right all right love you too but the point is in so many words

00:46:13.760 look i don't even i i mean i'd be the guy to try and say i have gay friends i actually don't

00:46:19.800 I think I have, I think by distance, I have one gay acquaintance, okay?

00:46:24.940 Like, I don't have gay friends, so I'm not even going to try and use that.

00:46:28.980 I have so many gay friends. 0.55

00:46:30.240 I have so many friends that are this race. 0.99

00:46:32.020 That's why I make these jokes, because I'm friends with that race. 1.00

00:46:35.540 That's nonsense. 1.00

00:46:36.440 I don't have any gay friends. 0.77

00:46:38.040 But the point is that even if I did or didn't or whatever, I would hold the same opinion.

00:46:43.500 And the opinion is, you have the right to express yourself.

00:46:46.040 I disagree with you because obviously my belief system completely disagrees with you, but that doesn't mean you don't have the right to exist and you don't, and you have the right to express yourself, obviously. So why is that not being afforded the other way? And besides, speaking of this question of transgenderism, we would just had Chris Elston on this week. If you've been tuning into the show all week, you would know that, hey, transgenderism is a real issue and it's causing problems, especially amongst young women.

00:47:12.940 And so the issue becomes very quickly. I've got something in my eye and I keep picking at it. I'm sorry, guys. There it is. It's gone. The point the point is that that we have a right as a society to debate these questions opening and dispassionately. And that's the exact same thing that's wrong with the residential point that we were making earlier. You can't you can't have a system. You can't have a system where nobody's allowed to talk about certain things and certain things are taboo. Right. And that's the great irony of what's happened to the left.

00:47:42.400 If you go back to the left of the 60s, 70s, and even 80s, that left was trying to break down the barriers about what was taboo so that we could just live freely with expression and, you know, I guess, and justice for all, whatever.

00:47:57.580 The people could just express themselves.

00:47:59.480 And then that would lead to a loss of oppression and people would just be better off.

00:48:03.800 I, of course, would have demurred from that.

00:48:06.020 I'm in many ways a 1960s conservative.

00:48:08.120 I have a problem with radicalism.

00:48:10.480 But the point is that, nonetheless, that was the idea. But somehow, someway, especially once those people got in charge, and by those people, I mean, anybody on the radical left who eventually kind of compromised, became bougie, moved to the suburbs, and essentially developed a kind of combination of left and right of center policies in order to just be bougie, right, bougie suburb people.

00:48:32.840 what happened was that they they became in charge of the institutions and everything else and they

00:48:38.340 decided to seek supremacy and as as we've gone through with both steward parkert and and aaron

00:48:43.580 ekman it's it's kind of an hr model so the way that you discipline people is through browbeating

00:48:48.880 and threatening their employment and and group shame and so instead of kind of a radical like

00:48:54.580 hey everybody should just kind of be able to do anything they want whatever it's become no everybody

00:48:58.900 must follow these prescribed prescriptions and then you're like wait a minute those are kind of

00:49:02.420 light the taboos we had before but worse because at least because like i mean before at least we

00:49:06.180 believed in like god and souls and hell and heaven and that sort of thing they're like yeah well we

00:49:09.760 don't believe in that stuff anymore but we do believe that you have to subscribe to my belief

00:49:13.560 system also here's a bill for paying for it it's called your taxes enjoy that very much so that's

00:49:19.660 kind of where we're at right now and that's a problem uh we're gonna look at uh kind of the

00:49:24.880 next thing here uh ubc reviews award of honorary um what's this the honorary degree that they gave

00:49:33.680 to uh to the bishop yeah bishop o'grady so here's a weird here's a weird fact so i'm broadcasting to

00:49:41.000 you from bc's northern capital that's prince george and we are of course right in the heart

00:49:47.620 of the prince george diocese and without getting into any kind of nitty-gritty details the fact

00:49:53.040 of the matter is that Bishop O'Grady still figures

00:49:55.080 very large here

00:49:56.320 in Prince George

00:49:58.380 and finally

00:49:59.860 we need to be clear that actually

00:50:02.560 he founded

00:50:04.880 Prince George College here in Prince George

00:50:07.160 which was a kind of

00:50:09.040 residential school, it had residences

00:50:10.900 most of whom would have been

00:50:13.220 Aboriginal students for sure 1.00

00:50:14.980 and they went

00:50:17.020 to the high school here because there were no regional

00:50:18.860 high schools throughout the rest of the

00:50:20.940 Prince George Diocese, they just built one high school

00:50:22.920 in Prince George, lots of elementary schools basically attached to every parish throughout

00:50:27.060 the rest of Northern BC. And they, and they shipped the kids here after they completed

00:50:33.380 elementary school in a more local spot. And there were of course, other, other residential

00:50:38.540 schools out West, in particular, a LeJack comes to mind. There was a LeJack residential

00:50:44.180 school out West, which is near Fraser Lake and yeah, West of Vanderhoof. Anyways, let's

00:50:51.460 get let's get on with this so the university of british columbia is reviewing its awarding of an

00:50:56.500 honorary degree to a roman catholic bishop who was once a principal at a residential school where the

00:51:01.500 remains of over 200 children have been discovered that's quite a punchy sentence the university said

00:51:06.840 monday that it is aware of community concerns related to the degree conferred in 1986 to john

00:51:13.800 o'grady after specialists using ground penetrating radar found grave shafts at the site of the former

00:51:20.420 residential school in Kamloops. The discovery

00:51:22.500 of the remains is deeply upsetting and being taken

00:51:24.540 seriously by the university, which is located on the

00:51:26.540 traditional unceded territories of two

00:51:28.520 First Nations.

00:51:30.920 Matthew Ramsey

00:51:31.880 provided a statement issued.

00:51:34.420 O'Grady died in 1998.

00:51:36.320 Yeah, that's true. He did die in 1998.

00:51:39.400 So,

00:51:39.900 I guess the short

00:51:42.420 version of kind of what I would say here

00:51:44.620 is that Bishop O'Grady

00:51:45.980 bishop o'grady belongs to if you're looking if you're kind of trying to get a idea of what

00:51:54.440 bishop o'grady's status is here in in northern bc he really is kind of like the mini version of

00:52:01.200 john paul ii for us not in the same kind of polyglot sort of way and uh genius necessarily

00:52:07.880 but but visionary bishop o'grady was a visionary and became the bishop of this diocese a long time

00:52:14.000 ago um and was and was bishop for a long time and and really brought prince george's catholic

00:52:22.220 world from from kind of its original you know its original milieu of of the late 19th early 20th

00:52:29.780 century into the 20 21st century well obviously he died before the 21st century but bringing that

00:52:35.900 spirit of conciliation that spirit of community belonging new evangelization so he was a big deal

00:52:43.340 And this is hard. This is hard for people because there's people living today, plenty of people living today that know who Bishop O'Grady was and met him or grew up with him around, grew up knowing who he was and what he was doing and the respect he had in the community.

00:52:58.160 So this is going to be hard, to put it politely, as people wrestle with it here in Prince George, because, well, Bishop O'Grady was a big deal.

00:53:09.560 The high school, after he died, they renamed the high school after him, O'Grady High.

00:53:14.660 So that doesn't run anymore.

00:53:16.360 The Catholic school system in northern BC, all the elementary schools are still in existence, but the high school basically fell apart in the early aughts, early 2000s, due to a combination of incompetence on the part of the church and a lack of support on the part of the community combined together with just in general complete chaos around how to do this properly and just things falling apart.

00:53:41.980 and they closed the school

00:53:43.940 and it has not reopened since

00:53:45.700 and now it is actually the diocesan office

00:53:47.940 and so

00:53:49.800 the chancery

00:53:51.820 I guess you could call it

00:53:52.720 the point is that

00:53:54.180 the old high school still bears his name

00:53:57.760 and the residences still exist

00:53:59.640 not all of them

00:54:01.300 some of the residences became decrepit

00:54:03.960 so they had to be torn down

00:54:05.200 and they were basically glorified atco trailers

00:54:07.680 and ice atco trailers to be clear

00:54:09.480 they're kind of married together

00:54:10.860 to mobile home with sort of things and and about the right length and and they've got some kids in

00:54:17.120 them right now they've got uh some kids who are doing evangelization up here uh kids they're they're

00:54:22.880 all young adults i guess they're all just just out of high school but but the point is that we're

00:54:28.960 still using this property indeed uh this show is being broadcast from there i guess i could say

00:54:33.280 that now that we're out of there the show is being broadcast from diocesan property for a while and

00:54:39.240 uh for a while well for everything until this week and i think that i i again like i guess i

00:54:46.440 guess you could say so that's full disclosure like i mean io that you know i i i was i couldn't have

00:54:52.760 done this show to begin with without without that and now that we have uh this new this new space we

00:55:00.280 can kind of talk about that a little bit more but the fact of the matter is is that o'grady high

00:55:03.960 and the residences there that we were actually in some of them uh this was all happening for a long

00:55:09.640 time and uh we're we now have to kind of consider i guess for a moment like is there anything is

00:55:18.120 there anything that needs to be thought about when it comes to local high school and that sort of

00:55:21.240 thing is that if the high school reopens will it be renamed i don't know what's going to happen

00:55:25.400 there i i don't think that bishop o'grady personally oversaw the neglect and and and

00:55:32.520 death of children i don't think that happened and i think that would be a great mark against

00:55:37.080 his legacy to accuse him of such things without without black and white evidence that that's what

00:55:43.240 happened i think instead the way to think about it is that like anything else when you're the

00:55:48.680 administrator or something you just you kind of take your we take your role you know and hopefully

00:55:57.240 you do it better, and hopefully you don't make those kinds of mistakes. But ultimately,

00:56:05.780 I think that Bishop O'Grady, yes, his legacy is going to be tarnished by this, but I know

00:56:10.980 that up here in Prince George, there's a lot of people who still have a deep amount

00:56:13.980 of loyalty to them. So hopefully, hopefully, they're able to, you know, we're able to live

00:56:22.000 through that properly but um we'll find that reconciliation when we can um a steward's

00:56:28.340 supposed to be on with us shortly i should actually check my messages because maybe steward

00:56:32.680 has sent me something i don't have anything right here right now oh boy there we have him he's he's

00:56:46.020 he's just about here he's he's just getting things sorted on his head oh his computer his

00:56:50.900 cameras on we're almost there ladies and gentlemen our favorite resident

00:56:56.620 steward parker is going to come and tell us everything we need to know about uh about

00:57:03.760 residential schools and what happened in kamloops this week and i'm sure other things on the news

00:57:07.820 and finally as a final way of introduction uh i mean i think you said earlier this week steward

00:57:13.860 on facebook that there were very few reasons you hadn't personally declared war on canada so i'm

00:57:18.740 sure that the sovereigntists in the audience will be very happy to hear about why you're

00:57:23.720 deciding to declare war on the Dominion of Canada. Well, good morning. And yeah, I got to say,

00:57:31.160 what happened there? We got you. You're on. Okay. So, I mean, obviously,

00:57:40.600 that what happened in Kamloops is it's a reminder of what Canada is about.

00:57:50.800 And what we've seen coming out of the discovery of these graves is

00:57:58.380 political opportunism, first and foremost, right?

00:58:05.200 John Horgan is being hammered about his old growth logging policy

00:58:10.200 And so yesterday he got up at his press conference and said that, you know, he has to keep logging the old growth.

00:58:19.460 Otherwise, those children will have died in vain. Right.

00:58:22.660 That, you know, he did not say died in vain.

00:58:27.620 What he said was that if we don't continue logging the old growth, then this is just going to be a continuation of the policy that killed all those children.

00:58:36.240 And for their deaths to have meaning, then we've got to keep logging the old growth.

00:58:42.600 And he gave these sort of contorted word salad reasons.

00:58:47.260 Now, in the case of Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland, they already had an event planned for next week.

00:58:55.520 So they just brought up the timeline.

00:58:57.820 They see spending another $2 billion investigating why indigenous people are more likely to die, more likely to be poor, more likely to be murdered, et cetera.

00:59:11.340 um so this is and and so it's almost like you can see this barely disguised glee on the part

00:59:20.220 of canadian politicians of the left that they can now just in just the most sort of superficial

00:59:29.040 um ways tie whatever it is that they want to do to somehow um this being justice uh for these

00:59:39.280 murdered children and um i mean i've got to say the john horgan thing i mean it's difficult to

00:59:45.520 put together exactly what he said because there's a lot of word salad going on with john horgan when

00:59:50.380 he speaks in public because word salad is how serial abusers talk right you throw a bunch of

00:59:57.660 words out there and you associate a bunch of stuff and um and and this is what happens so um

01:00:05.780 Thank you, Aaron Eckman. Yes, I found it truly baffling that he would, in a way, you've sort of got to, I mean, there's a curious way in which you've got to sort of admire the man. Like, who could brazen it out like that?

01:00:22.100 they've screwed up some forestry policy on vancouver island so a bunch of corpses of 1.00

01:00:28.220 aboriginal toddlers in kamloops are now the reason their forestry policy on vancouver island is good

01:00:34.680 um and i think it and so some of what john horgan did it's um it's the way that you know i i remember

01:00:44.300 when the movie The Aristocrats came out, and I loved that movie, right? And it's a documentary

01:00:53.220 about what had previously been an inside joke amongst professional comedians, right? Where

01:00:59.680 somebody walks into an office to make a pitch to a theatrical agent, and they're asked to describe

01:01:07.200 the act and your job as a comedian is to talk for as long as possible and to include as many

01:01:14.800 obscene bizarre and random acts in the act you're describing and the punch line at the end you get

01:01:21.680 to the punch line and then the theatrical agent says and what do you call your act and the guy

01:01:27.360 says we call it the aristocrats and um i feel like that's become political speech in canada now

01:01:35.600 that there's just like there's a punch line you know the person's getting to and it really doesn't

01:01:42.480 matter what they say before the punch line they're just like throwing out crazy stuff because it's a

01:01:48.720 foregone conclusion what they're going to say which is of course you know the logging must continue

01:01:55.120 or the borrowing must continue or the the whatever it is must continue and it's just filler up to

01:02:03.520 that point all you're doing all they're doing is just a routine to kill time until they say the

01:02:13.040 thing that everybody knows they're going to say before the joke even starts and now in the case

01:02:21.840 of the trudeau government of course it um this is a serendipitous thing for them

01:02:29.680 they were about to announce a pile of funding

01:02:34.640 for aboriginal justice and, you know, reconciliation

01:02:40.720 and blah, blah, blah, and a couple of things have happened.

01:02:47.360 So first of all, they have an event to staple that to.

01:02:52.300 And, of course, Justin Trudeau ran for election

01:02:55.020 on the basis of justice for indigenous people in 2015,

01:02:59.680 He ran for re-election on that basis in 2019.

01:03:03.960 And let's be clear, he hasn't delivered nothing.

01:03:06.220 He has delivered less than nothing, right?

01:03:10.540 The government uses its resources 1.00

01:03:12.620 to sue residential school survivors, right? 1.00

01:03:16.920 They fight them in court to try and prevent them

01:03:20.680 from having to be compensated.

01:03:22.860 This government approves new projects 0.99

01:03:26.020 against the will of indigenous people.

01:03:29.180 so you've got a government that is escalating these um uh these policies but at the same time

01:03:38.700 it has a voter base that at least superficially wants to claim to care deeply about the fate of

01:03:47.180 indigenous canadians and so the there was going to be you know so we've been watching trudeau

01:03:55.980 plan for this reelection bid it was the hate crimes legislation it was the conversion therapy

01:04:03.660 legislation the um you know uh it was going to be and it was going to be more studies and more

01:04:12.380 consultation with indigenous people so right there's a whole indigenous consultation industry

01:04:18.860 where you there's a group of people who get out there and they go to reserves they meet

01:04:27.660 aboriginal people in the cities and they you know they put up the big white board and they

01:04:35.620 listen to people's stories and they cry and they write things on the white board and you know and 0.99

01:04:41.680 then the thing ends and they erase the whiteboard because this consultation industry, its purpose

01:04:51.820 is not merely to do nothing. It is to waste the time of people who would otherwise be doing

01:05:01.140 something more effective to communicate with the government. They would be occupying an MP's

01:05:06.600 office they would be organizing a third party strategic voting campaign to defeat that mp

01:05:12.920 they'd be protesting they'd be you know removing a section of a pipeline in the middle of the night

01:05:19.160 uh removing a sighting from some real there's so much anger and the idea is if we could just absorb

01:05:27.000 all productive political organizing into our consultation process um it's uh

01:05:37.240 it it's it's crazy and of course you know this i mean i became familiar with this as

01:05:42.520 an environmentalist in my teens right we had a name for this process it's called talk and log

01:05:49.560 um so the thing is to keep people talking in a room over there while you're doing the thing you

01:05:57.140 want to do out there on the land over here and so consultation is not merely useless

01:06:04.000 it is a targeted way of spending money to divert people's attention and to make all these people

01:06:12.940 who aren't paid to be at these consultation tables use their paid time use their holiday

01:06:18.980 time use whatever soak up as much time as you possibly can so trudeau had been preparing to

01:06:25.300 spend about 600 million dollars asking indigenous people the same questions everybody has asked them

01:06:32.740 since about 1982 and just ask the questions again until somebody passes out i guess that's

01:06:39.460 that's the plan and then we write things on the boards and we eat the pinwheel finger sandwiches

01:06:45.140 and we go home and it's so extraordinarily disrespectful at this point i would argue

01:06:52.980 to engage in these kinds of open-ended processes there are there are people who have been trying

01:07:01.140 to tell the federal government very simple things about what their community needs

01:07:06.020 for more than a generation and to show up in their community and ask them again say oh i'm sorry i

01:07:11.620 didn't hear you oh i'm sorry i didn't hear you to do that to people who have a real problem every

01:07:18.580 other year for 30 years is um is grotesque right if you do that at a bar you can do that maybe four

01:07:27.300 times in a row before someone punches you and that's that's what the trudeau government had

01:07:33.780 planned and one of the things that these graves have done is they've struck fear and to the heart

01:07:40.420 of what i would call culturally liberal canadians now i had never actually met a real live liberal

01:07:48.740 until i moved to ontario i had met a lot of people who voted for the liberal party of canada

01:07:53.700 strategically or to fit in or whatever it was that they needed to do but even liberal mps i'd

01:07:59.620 never met a real liberal and when i moved to ontario it was deeply culturally disorienting

01:08:06.260 um to be around actual liberals because

01:08:14.100 say what you will um folks in the west generally mean what they say and say what they mean

01:08:22.580 right when stephen harper didn't want uh didn't support the kyoto treaty he denounced the kyoto

01:08:30.820 treaty and proceeded to pull out of it right like that's that's what a westerner would do

01:08:39.060 but you see liberal rank and file liberal people living out east they want two things

01:08:47.940 they want to be thought of as people who are concerned and um compassionate and uh you know

01:08:58.020 and and and woke to the various things that one must need to be woke about but what they also want

01:09:06.260 is a growing economy a stable investment portfolio and they actually don't want all these

01:09:13.940 inconveniences of like having to spend their money getting potable water onto a reserve

01:09:19.700 or having to like you know not do a project because the project would blow past the kyoto targets

01:09:26.740 um and and what and so you think we think in the west that like the liberal party making these

01:09:33.620 announcements and then doing less than nothing about that we think that's a bug we think that

01:09:38.580 undermines their credibility but for millions of people you know ontario and quebec and the

01:09:43.220 maritimes that's a feature the fact that you know that a liberal prime minister will cry on tv

01:09:50.500 and then accelerate whatever it is that he's crying about right the fact is that um our

01:10:00.420 carbon emissions have grown faster every year under justin trudeau than they did under stephen

01:10:06.040 harper um much as stephen harper um articulated that he was skeptical of climate science that he

01:10:14.720 wanted to build the Canadian fossil fuel sector, blah, blah, blah. His need to tell the truth got

01:10:21.960 in the way. His need to be transparent about what he believed in made people out east very 0.99

01:10:28.700 uncomfortable. It was like, why? Look, we could blow past these carbon targets. We could seize

01:10:38.460 more indigenous land we could engage in more austerity policies if you would just claim that

01:10:46.300 you're doing the opposite why can't you describe the world we all want to pretend we want to live

01:10:53.100 in that we just don't want to pay for or make any sacrifices for and of course justin trudeau

01:10:58.460 is just the spokesmodel for that.

01:11:01.640 That's his only job,

01:11:03.820 is for the next time

01:11:09.600 somebody's taken on a midnight ride

01:11:12.500 by the Saskatoon cops, 1.00

01:11:14.460 the next time an indigenous woman

01:11:19.260 goes missing on Highway 16,

01:11:21.360 the next time that happens,

01:11:23.620 what Justin Trudeau can do

01:11:27.120 is he can literally dissolve demands for change in his tears.

01:11:32.960 That's the power of the Trudeau tears.

01:11:38.000 And, you know, just, and so we've really seen

01:11:42.080 some sort of disgusting tear laundering this week.

01:11:46.720 Now, the other thing that you'll notice, though,

01:11:49.180 is that people who were mad about that

01:11:53.560 have also been pulled into this discourse

01:11:57.720 where the conversation has become shockingly associated with flags and statues. It's like,

01:12:08.120 well, look at all this murder. I guess we should relocate another John May McDonald statue,

01:12:14.840 because that's going to help. Oh my God, look at all of these dead kids. How many flags should we

01:12:23.240 fly at half-mast? How many flags should we take down? Should we put up different flags later?

01:12:31.320 And this becomes the conversation. So one of the things that you can really see here

01:12:38.360 is that this cultural liberalism of the East, it's diffusing through the whole country through

01:12:46.520 this sort of social media wokeness that we're going to parse the words and apologies and we're

01:12:55.160 going to like and somebody said i said uh you know there was this question of why hasn't a national

01:13:02.040 day of mourning been called it's like well what how does that do anything it's just more distraction

01:13:11.080 and so it's like and so somebody said to me well you know at least an apology would be a start i

01:13:17.560 went a start we've been doing nothing but apologizing since 1982 what the heck has started

01:13:24.560 with an apology we know what the apologies are for they're to distract us they're to slow things

01:13:31.100 down they said well you know what could we actually do i go well you could connect every

01:13:36.700 reserve in the country to hydro you could have public transit service on reserves you could

01:13:44.220 actually install the drinking water systems you were elected to install six years ago

01:13:50.220 um there's a long list right you could get you could you could require that industrial employers

01:14:00.060 um not be able to run for more than three months unless their employees are in permanent 0.99

01:14:06.140 residences uh right because the number one killer of indigenous women and girls in this country

01:14:14.060 are work camps now i'm not saying that the camps make serial killers i'm saying the camps are

01:14:19.580 serial killers that what they do is they like much as people say uh you know well rape isn't

01:14:28.220 really about sex it's about power it's like well that's true for the person being raped

01:14:32.620 but the thing is that most violence against indigenous women by folks like us, by colonists,

01:14:41.420 or by those of us passing as colonists or what have you, is opportunistic, right? It's opportunistic.

01:14:49.180 It's simply that you isolate a bunch of young men on a rig somewhere. Their only neighbors are

01:14:58.700 reserves um they're the only ones with vehicles that are going through the reserves and they're

01:15:05.020 being fed on crystal meth what do you think is going to happen and uh so instead what we're

01:15:12.140 doing is we're expanding the work camp system which is why uh the number of murdered and

01:15:17.500 missing women on highway 16 keeps going up instead of going down while we make all these announcements

01:15:22.380 there are and that's that's the problem though what people will say is like well maybe we should

01:15:29.740 like educate men to like respect indigenous culture more it's like well we know what that

01:15:38.980 does in the context of sexual abuse in a church it just makes it makes rapists idealize the person

01:15:45.880 their raping it doesn't stop the crime it just changes how it's being mentally categorized

01:15:53.000 and so there are all of these threats that indigenous people face in this country that

01:15:58.440 are especially targeted at them by how we've set up the social order mainly by denying

01:16:05.000 indigenous communities basic infrastructure we give every other community and pushing people 0.88

01:16:11.560 into dangerous situations just in order to go to the darn medical clinic because they have a tooth

01:16:17.640 ache and nobody's gonna it's not that nobody's gonna do anything about that it's that we want 0.98

01:16:25.000 to build more of these camps we want to have more um more young men isolated in all male communities

01:16:34.520 being fed stimulants because that makes money and what the reason that these ontarians will show up

01:16:43.240 and vote for justin trudeau and the reason increasing number of vancouverites will follow

01:16:47.880 suit is because they want to be able to claim i really thought he'd do something

01:16:56.040 that when we find the next pile of bodies um they want to be able to claim to have been fooled

01:17:02.840 but uh i think it's i don't know how somebody can get up in the morning and claim to have been fooled

01:17:11.000 by these transparent lies by these obvious crocodile tears the only people who could

01:17:18.400 possibly be fooled are people with a desperate emotional need to claim that they've been fooled

01:17:24.040 so that they can say well i asked this guy to take care of this major canadian problem for me

01:17:30.420 and he didn't, I feel so

01:17:32.540 betrayed. I feel so

01:17:34.460 terribly betrayed by Justin.

01:17:36.860 I guess we're going to have to find

01:17:38.700 a new crying 0.99

01:17:40.740 pretty boy in a few years.

01:17:44.500 I mean, that was

01:17:46.380 one hell of an opener,

01:17:48.820 Stuart.

01:17:51.460 I think

01:17:52.580 that was very good and very on point

01:17:54.740 along the way. I

01:17:56.240 think that maybe to

01:17:58.480 your point of needing the the feeling of needing uh to feel betrayed uh i think that it goes back

01:18:06.020 to something you said not so long ago again on your on your feed there of you know you can wake

01:18:10.280 someone who's sleeping difficult as might be it's impossible to wake someone who is pretending

01:18:14.700 to be asleep and i think that's very much the canadian mentality with a lot of things it's a

01:18:19.580 lot of sanctimony and uh nobody nobody seems to understand that you know what like canada

01:18:27.260 is it the worst place on earth? I don't know about that, but it definitely has a very high

01:18:31.580 opinion of itself for some very lowbrow things that it gets up to. Well, we have this good

01:18:36.560 fortune, right, where it's in the interest of Canadian liberals, American liberals, and Europeans

01:18:44.060 to pretend that Canada is the country that Justin Trudeau describes it as being,

01:18:51.040 because that gets things done for people in other countries. For American liberals,

01:18:56.880 they get to say like why can't look look we could just be like the the paradise up north

01:19:02.080 right where nobody goes bankrupt because um they get cancer which of course is false right there's

01:19:09.920 lots of chemo bankruptcy in this country if you're a chemo day patient you could be paying as much as

01:19:15.360 thirty six thousand dollars a month to stay alive so um you know but american liberals get to

01:19:22.320 campaign for health care they get to uh campaign for you know uh climate justice they get to

01:19:29.600 campaign for all that stuff by going why can't we be like this fake canada this guy is describing

01:19:35.040 and europeans can just say look at how terrible america is you know it could be just like canada

01:19:41.760 they're right next to each other and yet uh and and yet it's uh and yet it's not so

01:19:47.440 So creating a fake Canada to compare America to is such an easy rhetorical tactic for criticizing

01:19:55.400 Americans. It doesn't really get you into that much trouble unless, you know, you're in Latin 0.99

01:20:01.840 America and there's a Canadian mining company in your town, you know, in which case, you know,

01:20:07.040 you're hiding women in cellars so that the rape gang hired by the Canadian mining company doesn't

01:20:12.780 come after them so that's um so that's the other thing there are all kinds of industries in canada

01:20:22.140 that shelter their bad behavior on the international scene by saying oh but we're canadian

01:20:28.460 i'll tell you if you if you poll people and actually polls have been done you poll people

01:20:33.420 in new guinea you poll people in bolivia you poll people in guatemala you know what's scarier

01:20:41.740 the American army coming to your town or Canadian mining company. It's the Canadian mining company.

01:20:49.580 But this works for so many people, this fake story we're telling. And if you live in a total,

01:21:01.500 if you live in a certain kind of bubble, you should never be, you can avoid any physical

01:21:09.020 contact with that lie. You probably know it's a lie in your heart, but you can push that out of

01:21:16.580 your reality most of the day. And folks who, you know, live out here in the resource periphery,

01:21:25.860 we don't have that opportunity, right? We've got to make a choice about how to interpret what it

01:21:32.240 is that we see, how to talk about what it is that we see. So yeah, I think there's a reckoning.

01:21:39.020 i'm also noticing of course there's um so as we're saber rattling over the federal election 0.83

01:21:46.300 and you know these uh indigenous children's corpses are being conscripted into the army of

01:21:53.340 justin trudeau we see that um you know tories are being sort of back-footed onto their standard

01:22:02.700 issue which is the debt and the borrowing debate is a really important debate the canadians need

01:22:12.300 to have but again the problem is that it's in too many people's interest to dishonestly debate what

01:22:22.860 risks christia freeland is setting us up for by pushing our debt over our annual gdp right that's 0.97

01:22:32.540 That's a real thing that folks should worry about.

01:22:37.880 But far more sinister than what we see with the amount of the debt.

01:22:46.080 It's the rate at which it's being borrowed and how the government is borrowing it.

01:22:50.180 We have this thing called the Canadian infrastructure bank, which basically takes the worst thing

01:22:55.240 about a public-private partnership and generalizes it. 0.98

01:23:00.640 So public-private partnerships are generally idiotic as a way of getting things done. 0.96

01:23:08.240 What you do is the government hires a private company to do a thing the government needs 0.99

01:23:14.800 or should be doing directly.

01:23:17.700 And they go, but look, the private company, they won't be bound by our fair wage policy.

01:23:23.740 They can pay their employees less, right?

01:23:26.820 have all kinds of flexibility that the government wouldn't have if it directly did the job but the 1.00

01:23:32.980 reason that p3s are popular and the reason justin trudeau and his crew go bananas for them is 1.00

01:23:41.060 because when money has to be borrowed for those projects it's the company going to the bank not 1.00

01:23:49.220 the government which means the company is paying maybe six times the interest rate on the money 0.99

01:23:55.140 that the government would for a large loan so what you're effectively doing with p3s 1.00

01:24:03.140 is you're vastly increasing the interest rate for all of your borrowing and you're creating worse 1.00

01:24:10.420 and worse terms for your borrowing by borrowing indirectly through companies and it's scary to be

01:24:16.420 in a p3 even if you're like a company i used to have no sympathy for companies that would work

01:24:21.620 with governments in a p3 but like it's terrifying doing all that borrowing knowing that it's only

01:24:29.700 the government following through on its end of the deal that's going to allow you to get paid

01:24:34.180 at the end of the day so we created i mean the last um the thing that uh what's his name uh

01:24:42.820 bill morneau his big legacy that he's left christia freeland with is the canadian infrastructure

01:24:49.220 bank which is the guarantee that when the feds build a road or god forbid they actually build

01:24:58.100 one of those water treatment systems on a reserve i'm not holding my breath um that uh that the

01:25:04.820 borrowing for that is not done through the conventional ministry of finance channels

01:25:12.580 and so it means that the government has um that that we end up with far more crippling interest

01:25:21.560 payments and over the course of a project we'll just pointlessly overpay for it well it seems like

01:25:29.780 it's the same amount of money or less on the balance sheet that's that's deeply upsetting

01:25:36.780 obviously the conservatives are going to have to figure out how to articulate that to the canadian

01:25:41.280 people in such a way that they can digest it.

01:25:44.240 Otherwise, and I think they've already tied their hands behind their back when it comes

01:25:48.760 to cultural war issues, because outside of talking about Facebook suddenly becoming the

01:25:54.080 puppet of the Liberal Party, which seems to be happening through the legislation that's

01:25:58.160 coming, all social media suddenly being used as a tool by the Liberal Party and their apparatchik.

01:26:04.580 On top of the hate speech legislation, on top of the questions of transitions and detransitioning,

01:26:10.020 It seems like the conservatives have given away the farm and and the driveway and the truck.

01:26:15.560 And now they're just walking along the road lost in the political wilderness.

01:26:20.520 Well, this is what I found so strange about Aaron O'Toole.

01:26:23.500 Like the right is clearly winning the culture war.

01:26:27.580 Otherwise, I and so many of my friends wouldn't be siding with the right in the culture war.

01:26:35.740 It's absurd.

01:26:36.840 Like, finally, the sort of liberal side of the culture war has, it got too cocky, it went too crazy, and it lost all these people like me, you know, all these lifelong socialists.

01:26:51.960 And at the very moment where we're like, yes, you know what?

01:26:58.260 I mean, my friend Liesel put it really well.

01:26:59.960 She said, I said, like, how do you, like, you know, you used to work for the NDP too.

01:27:05.540 How do you handle how it's all gone? She goes, you know, Stuart, it's like every single bad,

01:27:12.340 slippery slope argument the right made in the 80s turned out to be true. Like that's the reality

01:27:20.100 that we're living in. Every argument we dismissed as like intellectually unsophisticated and

01:27:28.740 unsupported by evidence, it actually is coming true. We can't believe it. It's really quite

01:27:34.660 embarrassing and at that very moment that very moment where the majority of canadians are

01:27:41.140 actually on side with conservatives on culture for the first time since like 1962

01:27:47.860 um that's the moment where the conservatives go we concede

01:27:55.860 and that is a very strange moment uh because i i think that if justin trudeau were to um

01:28:03.220 you know choose to run the i mean the liberals clearly have noticed that their culture war

01:28:10.660 positions are not going to get them through the election that's why they have to have two billion

01:28:14.980 dollars on new indigenous reconciliation spending that's why they're out there promising people

01:28:21.060 child care they're not doing those things you know just because they're doing those things because

01:28:28.020 they think that if they go with nothing but the hate speech legislation the internet regulation

01:28:35.380 legislation the conversion therapy legislation they're going to be slaughtered and uh so i was

01:28:44.100 very impressed with erin o'toole when he got that job initially i felt that he was really smart in

01:28:50.340 talking about private sector trade unions and how folks who aren't government employees but

01:28:57.380 our union members are really at sea. But the problem is he didn't put anything material on

01:29:04.180 the table for those folks. He tried to frame things in solely cultural terms. And right now,

01:29:14.660 if you want to turn the tide on the de-unionization of the private sector, you actually need to hand

01:29:22.820 people tools that they can use in their community to build union locals to um and and to connect

01:29:31.460 those locals um to uh to others without becoming dependent on big international us-based unions

01:29:39.700 um you know you look at something like the steel workers union and um uh there you think well this

01:29:49.060 is great steel workers they've done phenomenal work they were crucial in exposing a lot of 1.00

01:29:54.740 china's crimes in uh western china you know what's going on xinjiang and with the uyghur people all

01:30:02.060 that but the problem is when it comes to local fights they have no dog in those fights john 0.97

01:30:10.780 Horgan spent three years in office going, I'm sorry, we can't bring back card certification

01:30:18.360 for unions because the Greens won't let us. He gets into power with the support of the

01:30:25.600 steelworkers, and guess what? Still no card certification. There's a very basic institutional

01:30:31.460 switch. And so you get Brad West, who's the mayor of Port Coquitlam, who receives more per month

01:30:37.740 from the steel workers union as their guy than he does as mayor. So imagine how well

01:30:43.000 he advocates for the people of Port Coquitlam. If they're not even signing as large as check,

01:30:51.360 what's Brad West doing about that? Not a whole heck of a lot, right? There are all kinds

01:30:57.040 of struggles that, you know, working folks have in making, in creating some kind of justice

01:31:04.380 at their workplace and greater stability well done guys you've um you've delivered the worst

01:31:11.020 possible cable system to canadians and yet and yet there and yet there wasn't that attempt

01:31:19.980 o'toole just made that one speech about private sector unions and he just

01:31:23.820 wandered along like oh maybe i'll try this next thing and see if it works

01:31:27.740 off he goes

01:31:30.780 one thing I would like you to help us

01:31:33.620 understand Stuart is

01:31:35.460 the historical side

01:31:37.320 of the residential school question

01:31:39.080 I remember you wrote something

01:31:40.900 that got into the Georgia Strait at one

01:31:43.440 point and you

01:31:44.860 highlighted to your own side

01:31:47.160 very clearly that if they wanted to kind of

01:31:49.480 paint this as some right wing

01:31:50.880 conspiracy theory against

01:31:52.680 indigenous people they were not going to have

01:31:55.020 a good time the history

01:31:56.600 did not bear that out. Well, right. So let's be clear. When the residential school system was set

01:32:06.960 up, there was an overwhelming consent. It didn't come out of nowhere. Interestingly, the demands

01:32:13.980 for the residential school system came out of indigenous people's movements. So this was

01:32:24.000 originally a demand by indigenous leaders in Canada because the greatest indigenous

01:32:33.260 leader of the mid 19th century was this guy Benito Juarez. First indigenous person elected

01:32:40.820 to the highest office in a country in the western hemisphere. He became the president

01:32:45.220 of Mexico after becoming the chief justice of the Supreme Court of Mexico. Benito Juarez

01:32:53.820 lived in a country where education took place on reserve it was run by churches and it was done in

01:33:01.580 the indigenous language in question so the roman catholic church had translated um their catechism

01:33:09.260 into all of these different indigenous languages um so that and if you learn to read in that

01:33:16.060 language. The only things you could read would be things by the church. And Juarez is like,

01:33:23.580 you know, I was trapped inside this language in my village. I couldn't appear in court. I couldn't

01:33:29.980 start a business. I couldn't exercise my political rights. So I believe that we need to break the

01:33:38.620 power of this system and start educating our people in the national language so that we can

01:33:46.460 compete in the courts so that we can compete in the corporate sector then he had tremendous faith

01:33:51.900 in indigenous people's ability to do that now in america there's another reason that the residential

01:33:57.740 schools were called for that was that it wasn't just that you couldn't staff an indigenous day

01:34:02.700 school you couldn't staff settler day schools in many communities because there was a huge teacher

01:34:10.220 shortage um and so we had a situation where all kinds of on-reserve schools had no teacher in them

01:34:19.740 so initially there was this demand of the government to create this system now of course

01:34:26.780 there are other agendas that existed in that government to do with the getting rid of

01:34:32.900 indigenous culture getting rid of indigenous languages blah blah blah so they always could

01:34:38.320 find those quotes from mcdonald and his ministers talking about culturally exterminating indigenous

01:34:46.100 people but we have to remember that though that wasn't the only view that was being expressed in

01:34:52.640 parliament. All four of the major parties in parliament when we created this system supported

01:34:58.420 the schools but for different reasons. The Pautiluge supported them for the same reason

01:35:05.260 that Benito Juarez supported them. They believed that it was going to give indigenous kids a 0.95

01:35:11.420 fairer shake at succeeding in a colonial society. Now, of course, within a generation, it became

01:35:17.560 pretty obvious that those schools weren't doing that. That instead they were returning traumatized

01:35:23.460 people to reserves, not educated people to reserves when they returned them at all. So the problems

01:35:31.260 with that system were clearly evident. But right, we're Canadians. We don't talk about what a system

01:35:37.420 does. We talk about what it should have done. So as long as you could keep encoding these lofty

01:35:44.560 principles in the system everybody benefited from them the churches benefited from them with huge

01:35:50.720 government funding that allowed them to do what they wanted to do and so the churches were on board

01:35:58.160 and whatever it was that and so when the government changed hands and sir wilford laurier got in

01:36:06.480 the system got bigger they made it bigger they made it more powerful and many people still

01:36:15.520 believed and they believe this is really like ground zero of that canadian belief that do-gooders

01:36:24.160 that if you just have good intentions and you go out there um things will work out and of course

01:36:31.080 that's one of the things that actually causes people to like not check their behavior

01:36:36.320 right if somebody thinks wow look at what great sacrifices I'm making look at what a wonderful

01:36:42.360 person I am I'm a member of the caring professions I'm out there helping people

01:36:47.280 that often allows people to expand their blind spot about the harm they're causing and that's 0.74

01:36:54.740 why when they had to deal the progressive party into government in 1921 the residential school

01:37:00.820 system got bigger again right and we have to remember that the parties that have been that

01:37:08.020 stood behind the residential school system the ccf the ndp the liberals the tories the progressives

01:37:15.520 the party bloke the party luge all the way back it arose out of what we would term

01:37:21.760 an elite consensus a national elite consensus where you could support every you could support

01:37:30.160 the schools for opposite reasons for the person next to you supporting the schools so one group

01:37:37.440 of people wants to smash indigenous culture and that's their story about themselves another group

01:37:43.920 of people wants to save indigenous culture by translating it into this new language they can

01:37:50.720 tell that story about themselves and the residential schools permitted all these different elite

01:37:56.400 factions to say no no the schools are for this thing the schools are for that thing and

01:38:04.160 the problem is that we're abducting more indigenous kids per year than we did

01:38:10.800 at any time during the residential school system but what we say is oh our ancestors were black 0.63

01:38:18.560 hatted villains we on the other hand are good compassionate people and because we're good 0.83

01:38:25.440 compassionate people, we know that our intentions are going to produce good. So whereas my bad

01:38:33.280 grandfather was part of a system of evil people who went into the homes of indigenous families

01:38:40.560 and stole their children at night, I am part of a good system that goes into the homes of 0.85

01:38:46.720 indigenous people and steals their children in the middle of the night. And my good intentions 1.00

01:38:52.000 are going to translate into better outcomes so the other thing is that sure the residential

01:39:00.240 school building is dead the churches delivering education is dead um but what remains is the

01:39:09.040 system of systematic abduction and trauma by the caring professions um and as long as people go

01:39:20.800 oh no, only bad people wanted the residential schools, only bad people thought this was a good

01:39:27.260 idea, then it allows people to not examine the complexity of their own motives or the effects

01:39:34.620 of their actions irrespective of their motives. So ancestor blaming is also, of course, part of

01:39:42.480 this larger Canadian project of laundering the deaths of Indigenous people in the tiers of our

01:39:50.340 leaders. And that process started very early in the residential school system. The idea that we

01:39:57.900 never criticized those things, never looked at them, that we weren't presented with evidence

01:40:03.200 until decades later, it doesn't hold up on the historical record. But we cherry pick from the

01:40:10.120 historical record. We only quote people who said mean things about indigenous people when we look

01:40:17.200 the history of the system but those quotes are vastly outnumbered by quotes about saving

01:40:24.880 indigenous children you got to remember that when this system was put together this was in the age

01:40:31.040 of charles dickens and what did people think was the greatest evil in the age of charles dickens

01:40:37.520 they thought it was child labor and so you can imagine like all of these like good caring folks

01:40:44.720 from the women's auxiliary at the presbyterian church um reading these charles dickens stories

01:40:51.600 and then you know if you went to you could actually go out into the country and see

01:40:58.000 indigenous kids working fishing weirs or indigenous kids helping to plow fields and

01:41:04.800 uh it was really easy for them to make that connection like oh these children should be

01:41:10.800 saved just like oliver twist 0.75

01:41:15.520 and so we put them into residential schools

01:41:20.000 yeah that appears to have been the plan but again

01:41:25.360 they could legitimately go back and say this was something that was demanded

01:41:30.880 um and that's one of the other sad things

01:41:35.040 it's like

01:41:37.600 Previous generations of indigenous leaders aren't allowed to have made mistakes.

01:41:43.600 Aren't allowed to have guessed wrong about what was going to help.

01:41:47.600 There are all these early generations of indigenous leaders who deserve our admiration.

01:41:53.600 No one could have guessed how horrible this was going to be. 1.00

01:41:58.600 The idea of the fact that this was all guessed from the beginning, I think, is it suggests that we were a nation of sociopaths. 1.00

01:42:09.600 But in fact, we're just kind of a nation of assholes. 0.99

01:42:12.600 Like we're not we don't rise to the level of total programmatic sociopathy. 0.99

01:42:19.600 We're just people who like to look away from the consequences of our actions when we can do so.

01:42:26.600 you as we kind of round out the hour here stewart what what then are we looking at when it comes to

01:42:34.400 the future of of aboriginal peoples in canada i as a status indian myself you know it's one of

01:42:41.120 the things that i always kind of wrestle with uh obviously i wasn't raised uh in in the trauma

01:42:47.200 i wasn't and i fully acknowledge that at the same time you know when i hear news like this i i

01:42:53.380 definitely grieve and i definitely mourn in in some semblance of solidarity i don't i don't think

01:42:58.500 they're crocodiles here on my part and that they don't feel maybe the same way uh that they would

01:43:03.260 for somebody who is right there and i feel like so much of the problem a lot of it's tied up in

01:43:09.680 the indian act which is which is either you know needs to be discarded or it's unfinished you've

01:43:14.860 talked about land reform before it's there's a question of empowerment we're here on a you know

01:43:20.580 we're here on Sovereignist TV, as you like to call it. We're here at the Western Standard.

01:43:25.040 And there's this debate about whether or not Canada should even remain what it is.

01:43:29.560 I don't know which way to pick up that stick. There's a lot of pieces to that. And where does

01:43:35.040 that have to go from there? Well, I think this goes back to the thing that I said about all this

01:43:42.180 that appears to have got the most traction. So I'm doing some work with Carriers to Canning

01:43:47.440 family services on the highway of tears question right that we're um uh that uh

01:43:56.960 in 2006 right we'd been calling highway 16 the highway of tears for eight years by that point

01:44:03.280 and we counted up to about 40 murders and there was a symposium held uh in terrace indigenous

01:44:10.480 people from up and down the highway got together and they said you know yes we're going to mourn

01:44:15.360 but this is going to be a call to action. We've got a list of things that are going to make a

01:44:19.720 difference. And they aren't like blue sky, like here's how to imagine indigeneity. Here's how to 0.97

01:44:28.280 reimagine Canada. Here's how to reimagine status. It wasn't stuff like that. It was,

01:44:35.280 we need more flag stops on the bus route here, here, and here. We need a milk run bus that goes

01:44:42.540 on and off reserve here here and here we need uh cell towers extra cell towers built here here and

01:44:50.060 here um and so that's why in the past 15 years we've asked them what they need every two years

01:44:59.420 because we don't want to just do what's on the damn list um i think that i think that

01:45:06.620 we will feel our way towards a reconciliation if we actually decide to stop doing big things, 0.96

01:45:17.220 big meta level things, and just do the damn small things we know would work, right? Skookumchuck 0.92

01:45:26.560 on the Lillooet River between Pemberton and Harrison Hot Springs. That reserve has been

01:45:33.380 there um you know uh since the 1850s and no one uh and bc hydro and the bc government simply refused

01:45:46.900 to put a transformer station there so that the high tension power lines that go right over the

01:45:55.940 houses of all the people on reserve could power those houses instead the people on the reserve

01:46:02.660 had to get a diesel generator um and then eventually they paid my ex-father-in-law to come

01:46:09.860 in and design some micro hydro for them so they're literally on the main line that transmits power

01:46:16.820 from the huge reservoirs up north to vancouver but no one could string a power line for them and no

01:46:24.500 one has strung a power line for them in the hundred years those power cables have been there

01:46:30.420 that's the thing you know what maybe we can get to reimagining the indian act maybe we can get to

01:46:38.380 doing those things but if we could just do the incredibly incredibly simple things everybody

01:46:45.380 knows it's better to have a house with power in the outlets everybody knows it's better to have

01:46:55.420 a house with clean chlorinated drinking water coming out of the taps those things are so

01:47:02.080 indescribably basic they are so damn simple it's like well what is the cure for in you know the

01:47:10.540 indigenous homeless population the indigenous people are so disproportionately homeless 0.76

01:47:15.800 well it's because of a lot of cultural trauma it's because of like damage to the epigeno

01:47:20.760 through generations of abuse yeah that's all true but you know what really keeps people homeless

01:47:27.020 is not having a house so so what if we adopted finland's policy of housing first hey you know 0.66

01:47:35.740 what we're gonna do we're gonna put you in a house and then we're gonna work on your mental illness 0.55

01:47:40.200 we're gonna put you in a house and then find you a job like do you know anybody whose mental 0.76

01:47:46.000 illness is successfully resolved while they were living under a tarpaulin anybody who's like got

01:47:52.460 it together and gone back to school while they're bunking out under a tarpaulin in a municipal park

01:47:58.220 i don't think so you know pretty hard to kick a habit when um you know you're when you are living

01:48:05.660 in conditions under which no human being should live so there are these just incredibly simple

01:48:12.120 material things i used to spend a lot of time thinking about law and culture and this other

01:48:17.520 stuff and i used to really lead with that in in debates but you know you want to you want to stop

01:48:25.540 people hitchhiking give them a bus you want people to have housing give them a house um it's so

01:48:35.040 simple the first things we have to do are so simple and we haven't gotten around to them

01:48:42.020 in 150 years.

01:48:46.940 No, that's pretty damning.

01:48:48.840 Very damning.

01:48:49.840 That's something I've always wondered about

01:48:51.360 about the nature of what those next steps are

01:48:54.360 is that maybe that was where those protests came from

01:48:57.260 in the 1960s against Trudeau Sr.'s attempt

01:48:59.900 to wipe out the Indian Act with the white paper

01:49:02.700 when he was justice minister in Pearson's government.

01:49:06.920 And the point, of course, being that

01:49:08.820 they felt that there was unfinished business.

01:49:11.100 And I must admit that whatever my differences are between me and my fellow aboriginals, especially those who agitate against the colonists in a particular way, where I am perhaps more sympathetic, I do agree that there's unfinished business and that needs to be resolved.

01:49:26.820 And until there is, there will be no peace.

01:49:29.200 Yeah, and it's really, I think that, you know, I had this epiphany when I was watching Justin Trudeau's blackface performances, right?

01:49:40.380 because Trudeau's my age.

01:49:42.380 He was living in my city.

01:49:43.500 He was working for my friends when this was going on.

01:49:46.740 And when you see Trudeau doing that,

01:49:50.700 it's of a piece with his other antics

01:49:54.200 when he was just like a trust fund kid with no job.

01:49:57.600 And what they were about is a certain form of like, 0.97

01:50:01.780 for Trudeau, I think insulting black people was secondary.

01:50:05.160 The main reason he was doing these performances 0.97

01:50:07.080 was because he sort of, he had this weird humiliation fetish, right?

01:50:12.520 That he liked humiliating himself in public.

01:50:16.880 He liked being scolded in public.

01:50:20.140 And what I see, what I see with so many folks

01:50:25.580 is that one of the reasons we amplify the voices of indigenous people 0.80

01:50:30.740 who blame colonists most effectively, most articulately,

01:50:37.520 is because that's actually what a group of colonists want to hear.

01:50:44.740 That it's like, what's her name's,

01:50:48.840 Whoopi Goldberg's role on Star Trek, The Next Generation. 1.00

01:50:52.220 The idea of being scolded by a person of color 0.74

01:50:55.540 is like actually part of the liberal experience. 0.99

01:50:59.340 like the scolding the being scolded is part of the package of things they enjoy about being a

01:51:08.220 liberal um they they like to be say say you know oh this this this person really articulately

01:51:15.480 scolded us and i'm such an evolved person that you know i could really appreciate that and take

01:51:21.560 that in. But that is totally part of the stage play we're putting on as well. You want to put up

01:51:29.940 the most effective scolders, but those are not always the most effective people in describing

01:51:41.480 the types of reform that are required. So I think we have to remember that there's a group of us

01:51:49.980 out there is a group of white liberal colonists who enjoy the scolding and the scolding is a 0.71

01:51:56.820 is a feature it's just like the land acknowledgements right they're the canadian version

01:52:02.580 of american thanksgiving you get up there are no indigenous people in the room and then you

01:52:09.780 apologize to the people who aren't there and then you welcome yourself to the room on their behalf

01:52:16.880 And so

01:52:18.580 You've

01:52:20.740 Like

01:52:21.940 You've done the whole thing

01:52:24.280 And you're just like narrating

01:52:26.480 A set of thoughts in your head

01:52:28.340 And then the other white liberals

01:52:30.760 Are there and it's like

01:52:31.900 Hey look at how evolved that guy was

01:52:34.720 You know

01:52:35.160 There was like the crying

01:52:37.020 And he pronounced all the names

01:52:38.600 With the apostrophes in them

01:52:40.280 With the clicking sounds

01:52:41.800 Like you know this was

01:52:43.280 This is a perfect performance

01:52:45.060 in there oh my god you're a gem that's amazing so bang on i guess like it's it's it's not even

01:52:57.040 satire or farce it's like it's a reading of facts like it's yeah it's i yeah we really live in the

01:53:05.300 post-satiric age there is nothing left to satirize and you know we're gonna go into um

01:53:13.280 We're almost certainly, I mean, well, O'Toole's coming up in the polls through no fault of his own, but I'm guessing that with the big Indigenous funding announcement, Trudeau will get that poll bounce and we'll go into our summer COVID election.

01:53:30.540 and um that uh and we're gonna watch this absurd pageant play out on the national stage again and

01:53:41.780 what and and yet while all that is going on um you know there is going to be um

01:53:52.620 You know, an indigenous woman in Fort St. John or in Kitwanga, who's going to disappear during that six-week campaign?

01:54:06.280 I've been reading the stats.

01:54:09.140 We're at like a four to five per year rate just in the Western part.

01:54:15.880 You know, we have about the same rate of disappearance in the peace country, but it's different.

01:54:19.860 It's not from the highway.

01:54:21.020 And so while we play out this ridiculous pageantry of our guilt and our liberalism, people will die and their deaths will just be fodder for the next liberal election campaign.

01:54:44.720 And that's the other thing. If this goes away, the ability of liberals to narrate who they are is undermined.

01:54:57.720 And the consultation industry is undermined.

01:55:03.720 mind there's a whole system here that is helping people build their identities helping people get 0.72

01:55:11.960 and keep their jobs and very few of those people are indigenous uh so my hope is that um

01:55:22.760 you know i i mean i'm just gonna have to look away from the election i don't think anything 1.00

01:55:27.560 good is going to happen there but my hope is that a few more people can no longer suspend disbelief

01:55:37.280 uh can no longer think that this is the first apology like we have done our first apology uh

01:55:44.720 more times than we've discovered climate change as a new form of science like there are some

01:55:50.060 things that get discovered every two years and they're brand new every two years and eventually

01:55:57.900 that has got to break through into more people's consciousness that is this deja vu no this is not

01:56:04.860 deja vu this is just us reenacting the same nonsense and and so we must resolve to have a

01:56:14.620 permanent change and a practical one. I completely agree. Stuart, thank you so much for coming on

01:56:20.100 today. We, of course, love having you here on Thursdays to kind of help us round out the week

01:56:24.500 and understand things in that in-depth level. Really appreciate your thoughts today on what

01:56:29.060 happened in Kamloops and the Indian residential school question generally. All right. Thanks,

01:56:34.780 Nathan. Always glad to be here. See you next week. See you next week, Stuart. Well, we're at the end

01:56:41.400 of our hour here or the end of our two hours to be clear um i guess if we have just a moment i

01:56:46.000 guess i could try and produce myself for two minutes here let's see if i can put up let's see

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Western Standard - June 04, 2021

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