Western Standard - Mountain Standard Time - June 8, 2021

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00:01:00.000 hello and good morning of course welcome to mountain standard time here at the western

00:01:23.540 standard i'm your host nathan guida and today i'll be talking in just a few minutes with

00:01:28.400 john c thompson he helped found civitas he was a instrumental player in some of the strategic

00:01:33.420 thinking uh both for canada's strategic defense but as well as what was going on in the harper

00:01:38.180 government uh and what it might have been what it might have been had conservatism been preserved

00:01:43.060 and uh pursued he'll have some hot takes uh for us in a few moments on what's going on right now

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00:03:05.620 But on to an opening statement. We're going to kind of just briefly touch on a few different topics here.

00:03:11.000 It seems like Israel might finally be losing Benjamin Netanyahu as their prime minister after 12 years.

00:03:16.820 What does that have to do with sovereignty in the West?

00:03:19.160 Well, actually, he was a pretty feisty guy, and he was definitely against the grain and the global consensus. 0.90

00:03:25.560 And therefore, you know, always keep in mind, the opposition and even his own party are finally uniting against him to oust Bibi, as he's called, a man who's been Teflon for years. 0.90

00:03:36.480 Perhaps the recent conflict was the last straw. 0.62

00:03:39.280 It might have appeared that Bibi wouldn't enjoy the new U.S. administration's supports, and now he's being put out to pasture, probably some of his own people working against him. 0.51

00:03:47.100 Another point in the news that was brought up was closer to home.

00:03:49.820 Justin Trudeau plans on visiting other countries for a G7 conference as well as a NATO meeting,

00:03:55.980 but does not plan on quarantining after arriving at the airport.

00:03:59.800 Ever since the federal government began mandating mandatory quarantine,

00:04:03.200 people have duly noted when those in charge don't abide by their own rules.

00:04:07.560 So apparently Justin Trudeau can leave this country, enter another country, and not have to quarantine.

00:04:14.180 But if you, you know, go across the border near, well, I guess if you're in southern Alberta or if you're in southern British Columbia, because we got a lot of our population here in BC right next to the U.S. border, they love making milk runs because, I mean, milk in Canada is really expensive.

00:04:27.680 I love my fellow farmers.

00:04:29.100 I stand in solidarity with my fellow farmers.

00:04:30.740 But the cost of milk in Canada is super expensive.

00:04:32.660 So when I lived in the lower mainland, I definitely went to the States all the time to get cheaper milk.

00:04:37.180 That's just what you do.

00:04:38.420 But the point is that apparently that requires you to quarantine for two weeks on either side.

00:04:42.860 But not this, not flying all the way to, I believe he's going to be in Davos and a few other spots in Europe for his meetings.

00:04:51.400 And apparently he doesn't have to quarantine because it's rules for thee and not for me.

00:04:56.240 We've got a few things on what's going to happen a little bit later in the program.

00:04:59.880 We're going to talk about on Vancouver Island, the Ferry Creek debate has become hotter.

00:05:04.140 So this is the old growth logging question.

00:05:06.740 Are we going to continue to log old growth?

00:05:08.760 Are we not?

00:05:09.620 There's competing First Nations around this issue.

00:05:12.180 a first nation that's in favor of continuing the logging and a first nation that isn't so we're

00:05:16.200 watching a kind of intern interscene battle a fratricidal strife there of what's going to happen

00:05:22.040 and this is the thing like i'm a status indian and as i've told you guys before we're not all the

00:05:26.240 same we don't all have the same beliefs i've had some people who have been very angry at me because

00:05:30.580 of my particular beliefs and it comes to both my religion uh as well as you know where i stand on

00:05:36.260 development as well as i still stand on the question of even aboriginal sovereignty let

00:05:40.180 and western sovereignty a lot of people come at me over the years so uh you know we're not just a

00:05:45.880 single monolithic force and i think that needs to be noted so we'll talk about that a little bit

00:05:49.320 later in the program and finally another thing that's still in the news and needs to be discussed

00:05:54.600 more i wrote my column on this the other day is the residential school in kamloops continues to

00:05:59.320 be in the news so i brought i brought it up uh it'll be up in my column soon hopefully they're

00:06:04.060 just kind of looking it over right now and they'll put it on the wordpress file up there

00:06:07.420 but uh the point that i'll make here is that we need to think about the fact that aboriginals

00:06:13.580 are still more likely to be seized than anybody else when it comes to child family services and

00:06:19.800 that sort of thing and so i think that that's the place to kind of take this outrage and make a

00:06:25.000 difference i i i think we need to rebuild as much as we can by by whatever means necessary and with

00:06:31.160 economic prosperity and with with proper healing from the scars left behind by things like the

00:06:37.060 residential schools when where that occurred didn't happen universally and i'm always very

00:06:41.560 clear on that caveat uh but we need to re we need to rebuild the family we need to rebuild the

00:06:46.260 family regardless of your race class creed or color uh you know the family has been has been

00:06:52.980 really denigrated basically really in a sense since since kind of halfway after the second world war

00:06:58.840 um and and until we rebuild the family and build a world where the family can survive better and

00:07:04.880 and people can grow you know grow up in a stable environment we're going to continue to have seizures

00:07:10.640 uh of children we're going to continue to have uh the institutionalization of people and of children

00:07:16.880 and and we have to find a way to get around that we have to find a way to stop that once for all

00:07:21.040 so that's going to take that's going to take a healing of the whole nation not just one people

00:07:25.520 group uh in the end as westerners the world remains a dynamic and changing place hopefully

00:07:30.720 we learn to stay afloat in these tempestuous waters as we navigate our way to a freer, brighter

00:07:36.180 tomorrow. I believe we have John waiting in the wings here. I thought I heard somebody log on.

00:07:41.780 Somebody else. We had a notification. So we'll start right away then with first and foremost,

00:07:47.740 what's going on when it comes to First Nations. So there's an interesting thing here where when

00:07:56.680 it comes to three first nations are calling for a halt uh we'll just bring that one up there just

00:08:02.280 asking my producer for this i'm i am i am terrible at screen sharing and everything else you don't

00:08:07.780 want me to you don't want me to run the skype meeting okay you don't want me to run the zoom

00:08:11.780 meeting i i can barely i can barely figure out how to call somebody on facebook it's awful

00:08:16.280 uh but a call by first nations to suspend old growth logging unlikely to end protests at fairy

00:08:21.600 Because the problem is that the province has talked about a deferral. So John Horgan, for those of you who are watching this, especially from non-British Columbian parts of Canada, it's important to understand that logging in British Columbia is a very bizarre issue that traverses all sorts of political boundaries.

00:08:38.560 So let's back up a step. The overarching problem with British Columbia is that it is just full of resources, but it fails to develop them all the way to their deliverable product.

00:08:52.240 And the reason it fails to do that is that the people who usually run the resource industry or have their interest in it can make a ton of money off of the raw resources without having to employ a ton of people between the beginning of that raw resource and the shipping it overseas where it actually gets processed and ships back to us.

00:09:11.580 Now, this wasn't always the case in British Columbia. A lot more resources, raw resources, were actually processed here at one point. In fact, we used to, you know, we've always shipped raw logs, but it's actually increased. And not just as a percentile of like, well, I mean, it took 10 men to bring down a tree back in 1890, and it takes one man to bring down a tree in 2021.

00:09:35.400 No, no, no, no. It's it's as a percentage of the what we're doing with our logging industry. We are shipping more raw logs today than by astronomical amounts, magnitudes, orders of magnitude higher than we used to. And the reason that this causes a lot of offense in B.C. is kind of like, again, you know, referencing somebody who gets I actually have him on my sticker here.

00:09:56.800 but uh you know like president trump uh was always arguing for the working class the forgotten man

00:10:03.980 the the guy the wage earner who was trying to just support his family what's happened in british

00:10:08.260 columbia is while while most people in the resource industry yes they're conservative in

00:10:12.820 the right wing for the most part they're certainly populist often the problem is that their right

00:10:17.380 wing government under the bc liberals was shipping a lot of their jobs overseas so a lot of mills

00:10:22.860 that closed while the BC Liberals were in charge. A lot of secondary and tertiary industry jobs

00:10:27.580 linked to logging, linked to resource extraction that went away. And so the issue becomes that

00:10:33.260 there's this bizarre populist element in British Columbia that can't really hang out with the main

00:10:38.560 right-wing party or has lots of suspicions of it because they feel like they didn't get treated

00:10:43.380 very well during their 16 years in power. And this becomes an ongoing tension inside of the right-left

00:10:50.340 dynamic of british columbia and it even shows up when it comes to aboriginal issues with aboriginal

00:10:56.660 issues there's there's very real real conflicts between those aboriginal groups which are

00:11:03.460 benefiting from resource extraction and those that either aren't or are effectively being funded 0.99

00:11:10.180 usually by foreign interests in order to oppose resource extraction now it's it's funny too

00:11:15.780 because in british columbia there's there's two different camps here on a few different issues and

00:11:21.660 one of them is that the same people who might protest a pipeline might actually be very pro

00:11:26.600 logging in some respects a certain kind of sustainable logging and they might have lots

00:11:30.100 of caveats around that but not it's not always the same people that are standing in front of

00:11:34.580 the pipeline that ought to have been built from alberta a long time ago i'm not arguing with that

00:11:38.820 but but it's funny because again i mean i think it comes down to the fact that oil

00:11:44.100 just doesn't look as pretty as trees that's that's a reality you know trees trees are pretty and

00:11:50.680 trees are you know they are macro agriculture right you grow a tree for x number of years you

00:11:56.700 get lumber from it you get timber from it uh it helps the environment with what it's breathing in

00:12:02.080 and breathing out and and the issue is that we we british colombians you know we really like our

00:12:07.260 trees and we don't really have we have of course there is of course there is plenty of oil and gas

00:12:11.280 here but we have the same understanding of it as as albertans do because it's mostly sequestered

00:12:16.080 kind of one corner of the province which actually runs on mountain standard time it runs it runs on

00:12:21.880 your guys's time zone not ours and so the funny thing is that when when you're looking at what's

00:12:28.320 going on in british columbia again like i said not the same people are protesting the same things and

00:12:33.380 it even divides the aboriginal community you think it'd be kind of monolithic right well all the

00:12:38.020 aboriginals are against both pipelines and logging and or they're anti-development or they

00:12:42.160 just want the development for themselves etc like there's a lot of criticisms like that that get

00:12:45.800 surfaced all sorts of places including british columbia well that's not the case in this case

00:12:52.020 especially when it comes to fairy creek we have an aboriginal group one that is running the mill 0.99

00:12:57.060 that is doing um that is that is doing most of most of the changes most of the wealth benefit

00:13:04.360 from the local logging, which is owned by a First Nations group,

00:13:08.720 and then at the same time, probably competing interests of land claims,

00:13:12.980 to be honest with you.

00:13:14.060 It's another First Nations group that is probably not seeing that well

00:13:17.100 or is being supported by ulterior motives, by an ulterior system.

00:13:22.100 The problem is just that.

00:13:24.860 You have people who are on competing sides of the fence,

00:13:28.820 and this is the thing about BC.

00:13:29.980 I keep trying to explain this to people, particularly in Alberta,

00:13:32.660 that it's just not the same thing it's just not the same thing we don't we have such a diverse

00:13:39.740 kind of part of the country because we're just also divided from each other by these river

00:13:44.020 valleys and they just don't get along except in opposition to one another in a lot of ways

00:13:50.280 and then finally in opposition to the rest of the country and even at times in opposition i'm sorry

00:13:54.980 to say it to our brothers and sisters in alberta go to the comments here for a second we've got

00:14:00.260 uh the albertan uh who would like to remind us that to run the kilns at dry lumber you need oil

00:14:06.480 to make osp and plywood you need resins and adhesives made from oil the two industries are

00:14:10.380 linked i'm not arguing this for a second that's not that's not the argument i'm making i'm simply

00:14:16.080 saying that just like here's an interesting reversal so i had a i had a buddy who actually

00:14:21.900 ran for the nomination here in the tories uh when dick harris stepped down he was you know he'd had

00:14:27.000 his time and he decided to go off and live, I think, in Arizona or something. He's certainly

00:14:30.980 off in some sunshiny part of the world. I want to be clear that that's not me being mean to Dick

00:14:35.040 Harris. I don't think anybody should live in any shiny parts of the world. If you're from the cold

00:14:38.840 part of the world, I think you should learn to live in the cold part of the world. And that was

00:14:42.360 the way I was raised. Going to sunny places was heresy in my family. You learned to love winter,

00:14:48.380 grow up. Anyways, the point is that what happened was Dick Harris stepped down, right? He was part

00:14:54.060 of the class of 93. He was part of the reform movement. And what happened was his seat was

00:14:59.320 finally up for election. Well, of course, this seat's been going Tory since confederation. So

00:15:04.700 everybody competes for the nomination because it's all but a shoe in to get

00:15:08.100 your election. And one of the people who competed for that was my buddy, Nick Dorky, who did an

00:15:14.820 amazing job of trying to articulate a sort of, in my opinion, a very brilliant kind of fiscally

00:15:20.260 conservative but still ecologically aware version of a conservative idea and he wasn't he wasn't

00:15:27.140 arguing his pipelines at all that wasn't it at all in fact he was turning the screws and turning

00:15:31.060 the tables on people arguing against pipelines particularly andrew weaver on twitter who the

00:15:35.300 former leader of the green party in british columbia uh who of course is going on about

00:15:40.260 the tar sands and their toxicity and blah blah blah and he turned it around on him to point out

00:15:44.820 that there was actually more land taken up by the dams in british columbia the water right the water

00:15:51.060 that floods the land that's usually arable land too right in british columbia uh that that was

00:15:56.500 more square footage that was more square miles than all of the oil sands combined including the

00:16:01.940 reclaimed land so you know the the thing that needs to be noted here the thing that needs to

00:16:08.420 be noted here is that again just because it looks pretty people get on side with it right everybody

00:16:12.660 thinks that the black rifle is wrong right an ar-15 it must be an assault weapon because it

00:16:17.220 looks mean and scary and it's in movies well actually the exact same rifle with the exact

00:16:21.460 same round the same kind of action right you show it to people done up in a wood frame

00:16:26.500 all of a sudden everybody thinks it's cute and nice and it looks like grandpa's gun

00:16:29.780 doesn't matter that again even even grandpa's guns more of those have been used in more wars than any

00:16:34.500 of the modern sporting arms have why because all modern wars are very small compared to our old

00:16:39.780 wars so that doesn't matter to people though it doesn't matter people people like images

00:16:44.980 and so the irony is that again trees they look green they look nice you can give them a big hug

00:16:49.460 oil derricks don't look at nice and people get kind of upset about it they get upset about

00:16:53.460 pipelines and big piles of mud as people are pushing a pipeline through they get upset about

00:16:57.460 it and that's where and it gets really weird because it isn't the same people in front of

00:17:02.260 both things it's a very weird kind of diverse uh oppositional thing in british columbia it's really

00:17:08.900 hard to get a handle on and i understand why it's so frustrating to you albertans we're gonna shift

00:17:14.180 a little bit here into the question of covid uh we're finally in british columbia it looks like

00:17:20.180 we're actually on the mend to a point anyways uh we've got let's see here uh apparently apparently

00:17:27.700 we're going to get a little bit more freedom i'm i i don't know how true this is i i don't know it's

00:17:35.380 I think that it was actually in a news conference this morning, like in a meeting this morning.

00:17:39.640 So I had every morning the Western Standard has all of its editorial guys and all of its news guys all come together and they just talk via Zoom for a couple of minutes.

00:17:47.920 And it's basically our toolbox meeting.

00:17:50.040 It's actually it's kind of foreign to me.

00:17:52.000 I think it's actually very Albertan because for us, British Columbians, I mean, we kind of do a weekly update sometimes.

00:17:58.320 It's like every now and again, it's like you touch base.

00:18:00.860 Like, oh, yeah, no, I mean, we're going to do this.

00:18:02.800 We're going to do that.

00:18:03.360 like looks like there's still trees to log and there's still gas to extract and there's still i

00:18:08.820 don't know there's still a street to walk on you know we got some paint to put on this road like

00:18:12.820 it's it is just a little more laid back i think with alberta with the oil culture and with how

00:18:18.060 many of you guys have ever worked in the rigs and how how there is it's just safety safety safety

00:18:22.300 all the time and i'm not saying that's wrong but it just with that intensity i think that that

00:18:27.380 makes it different uh and people people come together in toolbox meetings and who knows what

00:18:33.740 else uh all the time because it's like no look i mean there must be like this safety meeting this

00:18:38.000 touchstone you know maybe even has to do with the fact that albertans are in general more religious

00:18:42.740 than rich colombians it's like oh we gotta have our meeting time for time for morning it's not

00:18:47.140 sunday meeting but it's every every meeting every day meeting sunday meeting every day the the point

00:18:53.400 is though we have this meeting in the morning and we talk about what are the issues of the day and

00:18:58.420 what was really interesting is that uh the the other guy who's working out of bc here and and

00:19:04.200 the guy who kind of does their social media monitors the twitterverse and tries to figure

00:19:07.680 out where the hot stories are so that he can direct the rest of us columnists and everything

00:19:11.200 else to where the hot stories are to try and pick them up the the funny thing was that uh i believe

00:19:17.200 yeah i think it was derek derek said something effective like oh you know uh what's going on bc

00:19:21.380 Why is there no pot stirring in B.C.?

00:19:23.180 Like, come on, there's got to be controversy in B.C.

00:19:24.740 And make no mistake, like the residential school thing, that's still an ongoing debate.

00:19:29.760 Same with the Ferry Creek thing.

00:19:31.220 There's a bunch of other stuff going on in B.C.

00:19:32.760 I mean, some of the leadership candidates in the B.C. liberal race have got some very interesting things to say about a lot of this different stuff.

00:19:38.480 So that's all real.

00:19:39.780 But it just isn't the craziness of, I don't know, Kenny's rooftop diner party, whatever that was, you know, or his little his little cocktail party he had up there, which was unfortunate.

00:19:49.820 again i i i know the premier a little bit uh very briefly back in back in ottawa when i was

00:19:56.180 interning with him and i just still i still don't understand what's going on over there like i

00:19:59.960 i i had a lot of hope in in mr kenny and i really don't understand what's going on with the premier

00:20:05.540 i think he's getting some terrible advice the guy needs guy needs a reset um the the point is that

00:20:12.620 in this morning meeting we we were chatting about what was going on bc and whatever else and he was

00:20:18.260 look and he was like well i want more lockdown stuff let's talk about lockdown stuff let's get

00:20:21.900 more lockdown stuff out uh out there and and let's talk about how bc has got some harsh stuff going

00:20:28.080 on too and the problem is british columbia as bad as some of the times ever were make no mistake i

00:20:32.360 railed against them and i will continue to rail against them there shouldn't have ever been a

00:20:35.760 lockdown it didn't make sense it didn't work it didn't save any lives and and forcing people to

00:20:41.160 get a vaccine is immoral unconscionable unethical unconstitutional and it's against our basic

00:20:47.080 fundamental freedoms that we've been fighting for since magna carta and beyond but the point

00:20:52.700 that i would drive home here is that while alberta was having basically a dumpster fire of a political

00:20:58.580 time with literal churches going up with fences and locks on doors and pastors being dragged and

00:21:05.980 you know the that that polish guy who was yelling at the the health inspectors that they were nazis

00:21:11.900 like this whole thing like that was alberta in bc it wasn't that there weren't rallies and protests

00:21:18.420 and there were like prayer meetings and on sundays and stuff to try and show people we can do and i

00:21:22.900 know there were some fines handed out here there and everywhere but it just i don't think it ever

00:21:27.340 quite got to the same level as what's going on in alberta and i don't know why that is i honestly

00:21:32.920 have no idea why like you think that bc would be more uptight about this stuff because it can be

00:21:36.720 super sanctimonious i absolutely agree people from alberta come over to bc and especially in

00:21:41.640 they're more urban parts of british columbia they can feel like wow these people really think they're

00:21:46.060 the center of the universe it's almost as bad as toronto i i can agree with you there i can agree

00:21:50.580 with you that in certain segments of our population in british columbia there is a very and it actually

00:21:55.740 is i mean not to throw the ontarians under the bus too much but honestly it's mostly it's it's

00:22:00.520 on terrible's fault i mean we need to build we need to start having passports for ontario and

00:22:05.280 like only let a certain amount of ontarioans out every year because let alone the western

00:22:09.140 sovereignty question it's just they on terrify everything so you can't have that you know and

00:22:14.260 that's on terrifying so it's you it it really does happen that way that my producer is giving

00:22:20.040 me this look it's like that was a terrible pun and i hate you that's okay i've had to suffer

00:22:24.660 through his puns many many times the point that i'm trying to drive home here though is that with

00:22:28.680 british columbia i'm not saying that we didn't have some harsh moments there's some terrible

00:22:31.780 moments in british columbia during the lockdown but between the fact that we just appear to be

00:22:35.960 opening up by default. Nobody seems to care anymore. People all went to the cabin on the

00:22:40.500 long weekend. Nobody cares. Nobody cares at all. And if you think that having Canada Day on a

00:22:44.800 Thursday is going to stop a bunch of British Columbians from taking their Fridays off or

00:22:48.040 calling in sick, yeah, right. People are taking a four-day weekend. There's no kidding. There's

00:22:51.740 no question. So it looks like, to me anyways, British Columbia is just, they're kind of over

00:23:00.740 it and they're not really worried about the lockdown stuff as much anymore. It just kind

00:23:05.420 feels like it's disseminating disseminating disseminating it was just a really bad nightmare

00:23:09.280 and a really bad experience and i guess the the short version of the story is that british columbia

00:23:14.280 just never had it never had kind of the same ardor and the same earnestness around it that

00:23:21.540 that alberta did uh the alberton had something to say about kenny's uh thing there i think he called

00:23:27.600 it the hypocrisy luncheon you know i'm i should probably start taking a turn with this mouse here

00:23:33.400 i've got this mouse here i should probably start taking a turn it's not working never mind i'm

00:23:37.240 going to give that back to my producer the point is that uh we've got john on the line here we can

00:23:43.000 get john on here pretty quick but i just wanted to want to point out that there are a few different

00:23:48.040 things up in the news we'll talk about those more after uh after we have our time with john but

00:23:51.960 we're going to talk a little bit specifically right now about what's going on in israel and

00:23:57.080 is is this finally the end we've got john c thompson on john welcome back to the program

00:24:01.660 Thank you for inviting me again, Nathan.

00:24:06.340 I can't hear you, John.

00:24:09.160 Not you.

00:24:10.900 I got you.

00:24:11.820 I got you.

00:24:12.420 Never mind.

00:24:12.840 That's on me.

00:24:13.980 Go ahead, John.

00:24:14.840 What's happening over there in the Middle East?

00:24:17.400 Well, as usual, everything's in turmoil, and it's hard to read the signs.

00:24:23.000 Everything's bubbling.

00:24:23.980 Everything's changing.

00:24:26.180 And it's sort of difficult to keep the currents.

00:24:29.220 But in the main, like in Israel, the Israelis are still sorting out the new relationship they have with their own Arab citizens as a result of some of the rioting and protests that occurred during the war with Hamas.

00:24:46.740 Hamas is still digging itself out of the rubble and playing the pity card as hard as it can.

00:24:53.080 the abrahamic accords are still going you know with israel's new partners in the persian gulf

00:24:58.520 who still are very very keen on improving relationships um the technical analysis

00:25:06.120 from both sides is is going on now because iran is deeply interested as to how its rockets

00:25:12.840 performed and how to beat the israeli defenses and the israelis are still working out you know

00:25:18.440 where Iron Dome worked and where it didn't.

00:25:21.520 And then, of course, after all these years,

00:25:25.600 Prime Minister Netanyahu is deposed,

00:25:28.360 but who knows what's going to happen in the Knesset next.

00:25:32.340 It is a mystery.

00:25:34.700 Maybe you can help our viewers and listeners understand

00:25:37.820 just a little bit more about Bibi,

00:25:40.320 as he's belovedly called by his fans and by his enemies alike, to a point.

00:25:44.760 He's been there for 12 years, so he feels like he's been there forever.

00:25:47.600 You know, he's not been there as long as Putin, but he's been around for a while. 0.61

00:25:51.300 And that's several U.S. administrations at this point and as well as Canadian administrations have changed hands while he's been around.

00:25:58.360 And kind of how did he get there and how come he stayed in power for so long?

00:26:02.300 Usually, usually prime ministers in Israel don't last very long because it's such a it's such a dynamic place.

00:26:07.280 And people don't understand that their parliament is one of the most voracious places on Earth.

00:26:14.020 It's interesting.

00:26:14.940 If you've not actually ever been to Israel and walked inside the Knesset, I mean, it doesn't quite have the same sort of degree that you get of dignity and decorum that you might see in the Canadian Parliament, or we're supposed to see in the Canadian Parliament, or the British Parliament.

00:26:34.420 It's more open.

00:26:35.320 It's more inclusive.

00:26:38.220 But on the other hand, Israeli politics have always been convoluted.

00:26:42.820 Yet Netanyahu came along as eventually as a leader that could.

00:26:48.240 He's been a political player for decades.

00:26:53.300 But I suppose the best way to think of him is that he's got sort of the managerial instincts of Mackenzie King,

00:27:02.100 the appeal to a great mass of Israelis that Trump had in the United States,

00:27:08.680 and all sorts of combinations that have kept him in the head of the government for a long time and

00:27:16.240 the coalition that is finally knocked him off as Prime Minister consists of a number of people 0.80

00:27:22.300 especially from the left the far right from the Arabs and it is about as unmanageable a coalition 0.88

00:27:30.440 as possible the only thing they can be reunited on is that they didn't like Netanyahu where they go

00:27:37.300 from here you know with the six or seven different sets of hands all flying for the driver's wheel

00:27:43.140 who knows all they know sounds like a very uh very uh crazy time so so i mean mr teflon is finally

00:27:53.540 going away uh do you think some of that had to do with the fact that it didn't seem like

00:27:58.180 it didn't seem like he necessarily had the ear of this administration the way he had the ear the

00:28:02.740 last one when it comes to the united states is i mean israel depends on the united states very

00:28:06.980 heavily uh for its defenses and for its economy do you think that was part of the reason why

00:28:12.100 people said it was probably time to get rid of netanyahu not really is it netanyahu had been

00:28:18.260 hanging on by a razor's breadth for quite a while i mean the uh 2019 the constitutional crisis in

00:28:28.340 israel and remember the israelis still don't have a written constitution um it he barely hung on and

00:28:36.100 it didn't take too much to push him off and right in the immediate aftermath when the firing died

00:28:42.500 down with hamas and the gaza strip and to his opponents it seemed like the right time

00:28:49.460 well with his with him on the way out do you think that's going to help stabilize things for israel

00:28:54.500 Or do you think that's actually going to destabilize the region, which already seems to be destabilizing ever since, really, essentially since Trump left office?

00:29:04.040 Well, yeah, there are so many different factors there.

00:29:08.160 I mean, the internal Israeli one is that Israel itself, you know, it's very hard for outsiders to get.

00:29:17.340 And then somehow or other, they always manage to survive.

00:29:21.320 There's always a consensus, it appears.

00:29:24.040 something will work out there will be the knesset will go forward um a number of netanyahu's

00:29:30.520 opponents hate him and again like hating trump the united states you know they uh they have a number

00:29:36.280 of things they like to charge him with but at the same time they realize that he's very popular with

00:29:40.840 a huge streak of israelis as well he may despite the fact that his different opponents despise him

00:29:48.440 you know he may retire very very quietly and and go on remember he said he turned 72 this autumn so

00:29:57.640 it's also a might be a mistake to write him off prematurely he could come back

00:30:03.160 uh as for the united states uh they're starting to figure out that there is a difference in the

00:30:09.000 middle east especially between their political reality and what really happens in the middle east

00:30:15.000 um the biden administration sorry let me kill that um the the biden administration has been

00:30:26.760 trying to warm things up with iran and they're beginning to increasingly notice that this is a 0.81

00:30:32.840 profound mistake you know that iran is is not rational when it comes to international diplomacy

00:30:40.680 and that by improving things for iran um that's actually rekindling the regional wars in yemen

00:30:50.040 in syria in iraq and so on and so they're starting that dawning that you know democratic

00:30:58.440 reality and reality on the ground the middle east are very different and they've got to actually

00:31:03.000 rationalize the two they really do looking at things from a wider scope let's let's talk a

00:31:09.400 a little bit about what's going to happen in these conferences that justin trudeau is going to so

00:31:15.040 i mean he's heading he's heading off he's uh not going to quarantine i guess i guess uh he's immune

00:31:20.780 to the virus in a way that we aren't uh and he's just going to carry on he's not a carrier or

00:31:25.760 anything of that he's just going to carry on to these events and talk with the leaders of the

00:31:30.360 world about the situation obviously covid will be on the agenda i'm sure global stability a few other

00:31:35.140 things but what do you think is going to be brought up at that nato meeting in particular

00:31:40.020 what what do you look when you i mean you're the foreign policy guy that we get on this show you

00:31:44.660 you know it inside and out you you're the one that's supposed to explain it to us how how do

00:31:49.300 we understand it when when these global leaders come together and actually have these conferences

00:31:54.820 does anything get done or is it all just for the cameras well remember a lot of work is done ahead

00:32:00.820 of time by the diplomats by the civil servants um the time of so many national leaders is is hard

00:32:10.100 put on so you know they're there actually often they're there for photo ops or to finally iron

00:32:15.860 out some particular details it's also important that they get to know each other and the thing

00:32:21.220 is though that trudeau has really not represented us well for the last six years and and i look

00:32:28.500 forward to new socks uh and i look forward to new footage of him being steadfastly ignored or

00:32:35.220 slightly snubbed by other leaders because the thing is he's not a player he likes to think he

00:32:41.220 is but he isn't remember you've got a prime minister here who his model of the way to behave

00:32:48.980 internationally is to act like a celebrity and he's not one and he he just hasn't got the smarts

00:32:56.180 that other people do so he'll try and there might be some you know good work done ahead of time by

00:33:03.620 our civil servants and by some of our diplomatics diplomats but remember they've been very heavily

00:33:09.060 controlled by their prime minister's office which thinks the same as trudeau so i mean

00:33:17.140 this is not going to be one of canada's more stellar opportunities where we're not represented

00:33:21.860 in the same degree that we were by any number of earlier prime ministers including justin's father

00:33:30.260 it's it's really one of those uh it's one of those confusing things about even what what does

00:33:36.580 what does it mean when canada shows up to one of these conferences so we have a very small

00:33:40.580 population an oversized country and if you're looking at the military side a rather under

00:33:46.660 underserved uh navy and and armed forces where we don't we don't procure things very quickly and we

00:33:53.460 use very old equipment that's got some real problems and on the economic side of things we

00:33:58.020 continue to not do the nationalist thing when it comes to our economy so we're lots of raw resources

00:34:04.340 but we don't we don't have the manufacturing punch or pull to kind of really tell other countries

00:34:08.580 what's what what what what do we contribute when we show up to these conferences well traditionally

00:34:14.500 in nato we actually demonstrated a bridge between the united states and the europeans you know

00:34:22.020 canada had sort of a foot but you know the united states a partner in north america but the same

00:34:28.980 time that we had a better relations with a lot of european countries and the americans have

00:34:34.900 that has been one of our traditional strengths um other than that it's it's consensus building

00:34:40.740 again you know one extra vote at the table and where things going to go

00:34:45.780 um beyond that of course yeah we'll probably get well we won't get hectored like we we were under

00:34:51.380 trump because almost everybody in nato is actually underfunding their military uh even the americans

00:34:59.060 and there are new threats to be concerned with and again no sign in our current government

00:35:05.940 really understands them you know we've had troops that have been deployed in the ukraine on training

00:35:11.220 missions we still have troops in the baltic countries as a disincentive to the russians to

00:35:17.540 try anything adventurous um but you know they are they're pushing and of course the real threat 0.81

00:35:24.660 and the real problem is what to do about china and remember you know trudeau's got failing grades on 0.67

00:35:30.020 both uh accounts so well let's recall that uh that the baltic countries aren't a thing i believe was

00:35:37.300 his famous line uh he was he was doing a flash card game with a bunch of young people i believe

00:35:43.300 and as he whipped through ripped through them they were like the prompt was baltic countries

00:35:47.780 he said that's not a thing and he just continued on uh so maybe someone should remind him where

00:35:52.580 our troops are because he might not know that that's a thing i i think with with the china

00:35:57.460 question and with canada in general when it comes to security what probably the big thing is uh

00:36:02.420 fourth generation warfare as as you mentioned uh when we were in our correspondence uh back and

00:36:07.300 forth and and and cyber security what how everybody's kind of still stuck because we're

00:36:13.460 all watching movies that are still either made in the past or still made about the past because it

00:36:17.460 because it's you know it's a it's an easier and more romantic time to talk about you know saving

00:36:22.180 private ryan is always going to be a better movie than watching some guy drive a drone around right

00:36:26.980 everybody knows that so the problem is that in our time things feel so disembodied when it comes to

00:36:32.380 warfare conflict security uh intrigue infiltration what what do we need to think about when someone

00:36:38.700 says the word cyber security or that there's been a breach what does that even mean well

00:36:44.220 yeah and we're playing catch up on both accounts but remember the whole new frontier in cyber

00:36:51.500 warfare is that actually you every society is vulnerable in some particular ways the problem is

00:36:58.460 is that our public and our officials have still failed to really understand what some of the

00:37:04.060 dimensions are so you can have all sorts of players they're messing around with your power system

00:37:10.380 or with your banks uh and it's not actually seen as a threat you know and people will not accept

00:37:19.260 cyber warfare as a real threat until tens of thousands of people start getting killed by it

00:37:25.100 and remember you know our dependence that we have on computers has been growing and growing and

00:37:32.300 growing and if you look now sort of you know 5g systems and the internet of things you know

00:37:39.100 people don't really understand that the new toaster and the new refrigerator that you have

00:37:44.220 can also be gathering information about you not just for marketing companies but for other countries

00:37:51.740 the other point is is that you might not uh imagine your uh domestic appliances are taking

00:37:59.340 part in a massive denial of service attack uh on say your power company you know people don't

00:38:08.460 really get their heads around this canada is still playing catch-up and because it's been one of our

00:38:13.820 problems that we just don't get some of the or take seriously some of the security threats that

00:38:20.220 are out there but if you look you know the rcmp and various other canadian government institutions

00:38:26.540 are finally sort of coming out of the the academic conference phase into actually spending money and

00:38:32.860 building capabilities but again again the debate in canada has been sidelined because the government

00:38:39.260 has preferred to uh uh pass a bill about control over what people say on the internet which

00:38:45.660 infringes on everyone's personal freedom so once again the canadian public is sidelined and still

00:38:53.340 doesn't really get the new situation um and we we mentioned it fourth generation warfare

00:38:59.980 is really what the war is or the the fighting between israel and hamas is about um just by

00:39:07.260 as well as a quick primer but if you look at the traditional metrics for how you win a war

00:39:17.260 you know the the first generation was you know are you in control of the battlefield you know

00:39:21.340 we are the masters of this we we have conquered this cattle a castle we control the stretch of

00:39:26.620 countryside we won now the second metric was did we kill more of them than they killed of us

00:39:33.020 in which case okay they have more casualties we obviously won the battle and in both cases of 0.70

00:39:38.940 course you have a clear idea that you know who the winner who the loser is the third generation

00:39:45.180 is something that you think about in terms of uh uh well blitzkrieg uh or air land battle or

00:39:52.620 the russian uh deep battle concept you're actually fighting against the enemy's morale

00:39:59.420 so you're not actually trying to conquer territory or to kill large numbers of them

00:40:04.300 you're trying to break apart and decouple their military system and prevent it from operating

00:40:09.980 and you know that's that's what blitzkrieg was about you're you're paralyzing enemy and we saw

00:40:14.460 the third generation warfare probably in its most textbook case in 1991 in the uh in the gulf war

00:40:22.700 where you know the u.s-led coalition you know basically crushed the iraqis in one of the most

00:40:28.300 one-sided military victories the world's ever seen um fourth generation is where the actual fight is

00:40:36.060 over media impressions and public uh public attitudes and the israelis found this out the

00:40:44.060 hard way in 2006 during the confrontation with hezbollah in lebanon because the israelis were

00:40:50.940 you know basically knocking out key facilities all the time they were winning on the battlefield

00:40:56.940 but they had no idea that the real battlefield was in the news magazines and the television

00:41:03.340 footage a lot of which was staged and carefully doctored and the Israelis suddenly found that

00:41:09.100 their ability their control of the media was very much old-fashioned you know journalists were

00:41:13.660 allowed to go and to safe areas and watch like artillery firing and then sell that to the 1.00

00:41:22.300 stations back home as live coverage where hezbollah was uh you know bringing the same granny out 0.93

00:41:29.100 to four or five different houses to weep about how the israelis destroyed them 0.91

00:41:33.500 and most people didn't even know you know didn't even notice things like trees growing out of the

00:41:38.060 rubble um there was the the one journalist who got caught uh doctoring his photos and so that his

00:41:46.780 picture of uh beirut on fire was actually turned out to be entirely artificial and number of other

00:41:53.980 things but hamas understands that fourth generation much better than the israelis do

00:42:00.380 and so again a lot of the coverage that came out of the gas strip is very very distorted and

00:42:07.420 the effect though has been actually that's sort of rekindling anti-semitism across the world and

00:42:13.980 And a lot of people actually, you know, sitting there and the Palestinians, you know, on their pity pot and sort of, you know, these poor people crushed by this brutal regime.

00:42:25.060 How terrifying. And the realities of the situation are far, far different.

00:42:30.020 But they don't know it. Because once again, Hamas has played the fourth generation better than anyone else does. 0.94

00:42:36.420 this idea of propaganda this idea of controlling the narrative these it's not entirely new i mean 0.78

00:42:45.040 it's more prevalent today because everybody has a device in their pocket so you can really get

00:42:48.900 your message out quickly but i recall that even during uh perhaps i think the first mass uh

00:42:55.580 photographed war was actually the civil war in the united states the american civil war the war

00:43:00.220 between the states depending on where you're coming from in the states and they and it was

00:43:04.880 noted that even there that whether it was even literally uh casualties on the battlefield that

00:43:10.380 were kind of rearranged uh sometimes to provoke an emotional response this is this is not new this

00:43:16.780 has been around for 150 years what's what's making it so much more effective now well then

00:43:22.900 the images come a lot faster you know matthew brady photographs the american civil war came

00:43:28.860 months after and again they were they were not I mean they were powerful but

00:43:35.580 they weren't that powerful people could make their own minds up nowadays I mean

00:43:40.200 you sit there and you're catching feed within seconds and the context is

00:43:46.960 entirely missing often there is no context so people draw their own

00:43:51.420 conclusions based on their own preconceptions and these are powerful

00:43:56.020 because then again you might find again immediate feedback you know how do you

00:43:59.920 feel about this and you press another button then you record your yeah

00:44:03.460 impression or you let you people know what the camp you're in the other point

00:44:10.360 of course is that and we've seen this in the last two weeks fundraising you know

00:44:16.160 almost every international aid group is sitting there throwing out photographs

00:44:22.180 of what happened in gaza then you know handing out the tin cup and saying please contribute we

00:44:27.160 got to rebuild this place where you know israelis know that if you give hamas water pipe and

00:44:34.460 concrete it goes in the tunnels and the water pipe goes to make rockets

00:44:38.340 no it's you know and it's this is the reality the divorce between between what's happening on the

00:44:46.320 ground what's being projected on the screen that was something that was brought up a lot of course

00:44:51.020 the recent american election and and it's still being brought up throughout the western world

00:44:55.980 this divorce between reality and what's being put onto our tvs and into our into our internet feeds

00:45:02.300 and that sort of thing it is china ahead of us on this question are they fighting this this fourth 0.95

00:45:08.940 generational warfare much better than we are and if so what should we do about it well remember 0.81

00:45:14.860 that the china you've got absolute government control over the internet and and i mean china 0.91

00:45:22.940 it's very old-fashioned you know goebbels or stalin would understand china very well because 0.88

00:45:29.820 you know they've created this huge machinery to make sure they have absolute control over what's 0.92

00:45:35.740 reported with people and occasionally we see it leak out you know when the start of the covid

00:45:39.980 crisis when uh uh wuhan got cracked down on hard to to make sure that you know it wasn't that the

00:45:47.420 disease failed to get out i mean it was too late but the narrative was absolutely controlled um

00:45:54.060 so china is thinks it's a lot less vulnerable to fourth generation warfare than it is but on the

00:46:01.580 other hand you know again if you go back and look at the the classic propaganda and everyone uses

00:46:07.580 the word propaganda and so few people have actually understood anything about it but uh

00:46:13.980 the classic book is jack elul's book written in 1962 a propaganda and the formation of men's

00:46:19.980 attitudes if you've not read it you should but the thing is he's talking about mid-20th century

00:46:26.460 propaganda machines and the point about the propaganda machines that existed in the middle

00:46:31.660 the 20th centuries, the propagandist had to understand something about his audience. You know,

00:46:38.140 you can weave a whole cloak of lies, but you have to hang it on a coat hook, which is partly true. 1.00

00:46:47.820 And the Chinese do not get the rest of the world. You know, they're culturally very insulated. They 1.00

00:46:53.740 don't really understand so there's his uh their vulnerability to propaganda is very very strong

00:47:01.740 their ability to actually transmit it very very weak but there is or there appears to be a huge

00:47:10.220 amount of allies for china throughout the american political establishment as well as the american

00:47:15.100 media establishment throughout the western uh media there's appears to be this weird fetish

00:47:21.500 for china and and for what china is doing as if as if people had have completely ignored some of

00:47:27.660 the some of the things that have gone deeply wrong in china including what's happening with the

00:47:31.020 uyghurs and what's happened with tibet what happened with hong kong it it there's obviously 1.00

00:47:37.260 china is is acting in terrible tyrannical and even evil ways and and yet they still have defenders 0.91

00:47:44.140 who are i don't even know if they're getting paid by them or not but they're certainly defending 0.98

00:47:47.180 their cause well one of the features of propaganda the way it is developed in the age of the internet

00:47:54.620 especially is that the new frontier in propaganda is that people propagandize themselves

00:48:05.260 you know the russians understand this if you look at the russians putting in a lot of money

00:48:09.980 you know to uh internet trolls that went out there and started

00:48:16.140 you know goebbels or pravda back again in the 1940s if they were trying to convince you of

00:48:22.780 something they controlled every access to point information that you had and tried to get you to

00:48:29.500 act in a certain way you can't do that anymore you you cannot build a total consensus in any society

00:48:37.100 but what you can do under the new rules is disrupt any consensus you can get individuals

00:48:44.060 in the audience you're pursuing to follow their own interests and their own preconceptions

00:48:50.300 and to propagandize themselves so china's main advantages from propaganda is that a lot of

00:48:58.700 americans a lot of westerners still think of china in terms as the great frontier for business

00:49:03.580 opportunities yeah and they're they're blinded by possibilities that allow them to then convince 0.94

00:49:12.700 themselves that they ignore things you know the chinese are cracking down the tibetans but they 1.00

00:49:17.180 have a bunch of little people who cares yeah they're cracking down the ouijers but you know 1.00

00:49:21.020 we don't care because you know there's money to be made you know once china opens up you know 1.00

00:49:25.900 i'll be worth billions of dollars and and they go on from there the other point of course is that

00:49:32.700 um i hate to use the the loaded terminology but in this case it's a small case al you know the

00:49:40.220 liberal idea that security threats are so old-fashioned that you you can ignore them

00:49:47.180 and and again the idea that the chinese are busy pushing a very very colonialist imperialist 0.91

00:49:55.260 agenda on their immediate neighbors it doesn't occur and so they don't think about it but those 0.55

00:50:01.100 you know like me who pay attention to this well you know we're right wing or white supremacists

00:50:05.420 where you know apply what label you like and therefore they can ignore us something i bet

00:50:11.820 uh coming back to those conferences that are going to be had i bet you something that's going

00:50:15.580 to be brought up at least by justin trudeau if not by of course by the current american

00:50:19.340 administration is the idea of of ethnocentrism ethnic nationalism being a new threat in the west

00:50:26.620 i bet i bet that will be brought up probably at nato maybe even in the g7 but the idea which

00:50:32.060 which actually goes back basically really to to in in europe anyways really into the 2008 2009 euro

00:50:40.060 crisis which is still ongoing they've never solved the euro crisis but ever since then uh you know

00:50:45.900 the the native population though it was dwindling dwindling in spain dwindling in france dwindling

00:50:51.980 in italy they had a declining birth rate for years in all of those countries catholic or not

00:50:57.260 they they suddenly uh recalled kind of some of their maybe their bad history or their bad

00:51:03.900 tendencies but certainly started to also have questions around having a massive immigration

00:51:08.740 from the third world particularly from north africa from from the muslim world in the middle

00:51:13.760 east and even turkey and they and they started to react to that and so obviously a certain amount

00:51:19.420 of ethnocentrism and ethnonationalism began, and some of it was based on race, some of it based on

00:51:25.300 religion, some of it just based on sense of place, and then now in America and even in Canada,

00:51:30.320 perhaps, this same idea is being brought up as a threat. I don't really see it as a threat here,

00:51:34.880 but they're definitely using that talking point. Do you think that'll be brought up at the

00:51:38.420 conference, and what do you think they might do about it? Undoubtedly, it'll be brought up. It'll

00:51:43.300 be brought up very clearly and again if you go back to the 1990s and sort of

00:51:48.220 study the read the books of the first people who are trying to describe you

00:51:54.880 know post-modernist thinking you know that in the revolt of the elite in the

00:52:03.220 elites and the betrayal of democracy or also in John Ralston Saul's book you

00:52:08.560 know about you know the dictatorship of reason there was some thought that you

00:52:15.640 know there's going to be widespread opposition of the little people who just

00:52:20.740 don't get it so fast forward to Trudeau who doesn't think himself as one of the

00:52:26.040 little people but considers himself to be tremendously enlightened look at some

00:52:30.240 of the people that say behind the Biden administration that the complaints you

00:52:35.920 are small-minded people who have to be ignored you know the important thing is that you present

00:52:41.680 yourself as being very very modern very very progressive far more in tune than they are of

00:52:47.920 course you know in europe but also let's face it i mean you talk to your neighbors you talk to the

00:52:53.040 people in the cafes you know you talk to the people you meet canadians have very different

00:52:58.240 attitudes now about immigration than their government does and and that's very clear and

00:53:06.640 it's not that we're all racist but it's very convenient for trudeau to accuse us of all being

00:53:12.160 racist and again you know if you look at france which is on the edge of really fracturing or if

00:53:18.640 you look at uh some of the more uh quote unquote radical countries in nato like poland or hungary

00:53:25.440 their citizens are people who've learned in the in the new environment but some of the people who

00:53:33.920 are flooding into their societies you can get beaten up for them giving the wrong answer when

00:53:40.080 someone asks you to light their cigarette you can get killed from looking at the wrong people

00:53:45.200 there's there's a new reality around and they reject it so there's a realism that's there

00:53:53.440 but it is an inconvenient one to the attitude and the customs of the political class.

00:54:00.080 And I guess to another point, for example, 20 years ago, you know, right in the immediate

00:54:07.120 aftermath of 9-11, you know, we had our new anti-terrorism laws in 2002. We were constructing

00:54:12.720 our new abilities to get out there and fight the Salafists, the Wahhabis, you know, the new 1.00

00:54:19.920 generation of in very very intolerant muslims um and we were trying to find and to make sure that 1.00

00:54:27.280 we were not excluding the muslims that we want we were just trying to get get the extremists

00:54:34.560 but um all of a sudden that depression diminished and disappeared utterly in the united states and 0.93

00:54:42.800 in canada instead we invented a new threat um you know we had for years the canadian government or

00:54:50.640 the american government say you know don't tell us about you know the salafists and the wahhabis

00:54:56.160 tell us about the white supremacists oh yeah they hardly existed and let's face it i mean

00:55:02.400 if you looked at 10 years ago at canada or 20 years ago in canada you know the what we had

00:55:09.040 white supremacists did exist but i mean they couldn't organize a two-car funeral procession

00:55:14.160 without factional infighting you know but now that they're a big huge sinister threat and if you

00:55:21.840 look for example uh the last time we updated the the gazette of the list of terrorist groups in

00:55:28.400 canada we left off the iranian revolutionary guard corps which has a 40-year history of terrorism

00:55:36.080 and violent activity, both inside Iran against Iranians,

00:55:41.160 against Iranian dissidents abroad,

00:55:43.220 and in support of terrorism in other countries.

00:55:46.900 But we included the Proud Boys, who barely exist,

00:55:51.080 and don't have a record of violence in Canada at all.

00:55:55.620 No, I mean, that's Canada through and through, isn't it?

00:55:58.840 I mean, whether it's gun licensing or it's terrorist groups,

00:56:03.460 it's always the little people and the people you would never have any problems with they're the

00:56:07.380 ones who get put through the rigmarole makes no sense yeah well that's the same thing in europe

00:56:15.460 to remember you know that you started to get opposition especially to you know the wave of

00:56:22.900 muslim immigrants mostly young men mostly from pakistan and again you know diobandis wahhabis

00:56:29.140 salafists were flooding into europe with their own agenda and people getting upset about this

00:56:35.940 and they were being described as white supremacists well okay you know it's interesting because you

00:56:40.980 know these white supremacists in in in britain and france were including jews and gays and hindus

00:56:51.700 and other people that you would not expect to see you know at a ku klux klan rally in georgia in

00:56:58.100 1950 no no things things they are changing they just seem to be changing really weird

00:57:04.980 yeah this this security question though of internally rest of population um in in in

00:57:12.740 january we all witnessed uh uh an interesting an interesting phenomenon a phenomena that will will

00:57:18.580 be remembered for a long time where the capitol building of the most powerful government in the

00:57:23.140 world most powerful government the world has ever seen uh that that developed the atom bomb got us

00:57:27.860 of the moon etc was breached and occupied for a short time by by what did seem to be a majority

00:57:35.300 uh certainly a white demographic but nonetheless a majority of of people who as far as we can tell

00:57:41.620 the single linking thing of many of them was that they were most likely to be poor poor working

00:57:46.820 class whites a lot of them and and they breached the capital they occupied it for a couple of hours

00:57:52.020 There was a fatality of one of the breachers, occupied rioters, however you want to say that, who was shot at point blank range by a security agent within the Capitol building. 0.76

00:58:05.760 And other than that, you know, things eventually went back to normal and the votes continued to be counted from the states that would then certify who was the next president of the United States.

00:58:16.860 and I think that that instance

00:58:19.240 just it really hits me because

00:58:20.860 you know again like we're talking about

00:58:23.240 you know the modern world we're talking about

00:58:25.240 the democratic west and

00:58:27.220 we're talking about a group of people that obviously felt

00:58:29.340 so aggrieved at a variety of issues

00:58:31.440 not just the result of the election

00:58:32.900 that they felt righteous indignation

00:58:35.400 they breached the capitol building and I

00:58:37.240 wonder if we're taking the right lesson

00:58:39.160 from that or if people are just again

00:58:41.180 they're bringing up the whole question of white supremacy

00:58:43.040 and everything else they're not they don't seem to be

00:58:45.120 taking the right information from what happened here which is that people are mad and they're not

00:58:48.980 they're not going to take it anymore well again there's a number of answers to this and some of

00:58:55.540 the specifics to what happened in january 6th which is definitely not the feast of the the wise

00:59:01.620 men um and then again some of the generalities but if you look at january 6th there's a number

00:59:09.700 of details that don't make sense you know trump supporters were listening to a speech by the

00:59:15.540 president being told by president trump and being told to behave themselves you know where you had

00:59:21.780 all these people who clearly weren't and there are figures have been identified in that crowd

00:59:26.260 that surged in the capitol that again were not part of you know any pro-trump movement that is

00:59:33.780 recognizable including that uh the clown with his bison horns and his weird headdress and all the

00:59:40.420 rest of it um some of them were people who well again you know if if you look at the motivations

00:59:48.740 for for terrorism um you know i know he's he's passed beyond academic respectability but if you

00:59:57.620 remember the old abraham maslow hierarchy of needs you know the the top the peak was the

01:00:04.500 self-actualization and often a lot of people who are drawn to the violent political movements are

01:00:10.900 self-actualizers yeah they're people who want to do something famous want to be remembered

01:00:17.060 you know break in heaven and throw down the high towers and from a thousand different perspectives

01:00:23.860 those were the first people in the capital um you know the sort of the the mom and pop types you know

01:00:31.220 joe six pack or however you want to call them you know joe the plumber were not there or weren't

01:00:36.660 there till later and again there's this famous footage of you know some of the capital police

01:00:41.860 actually ushering some of these demonstrators into the u.s capitol building which makes no sense

01:00:47.860 um there are other things have not been considered for example

01:00:53.060 even two or three days before this happened you know there were there were memos and uh

01:00:59.620 communications inside the capitol police saying there's a risk we're not quite i mean we're know

01:01:05.700 there's some weird guys coming to town there is a possible danger here we should reinforce

01:01:12.900 and of course that went to their headquarters and who did who did the capitol police have to answer

01:01:18.260 to the uh yeah they're controlled by the office of the speaker of the house in other words

01:01:27.780 the ultimate person responsible for not reinforcing them for not putting barricades up

01:01:33.540 is nancy pelosi that doesn't come out very much and of course the i'm thinking because i'm a nasty

01:01:41.780 horrible uh thinker i think in terms of historical parallels it was like the fire of the reichstag we

01:01:49.380 still don't know exactly what happened when the reichstag burned but it was awfully convenient

01:01:55.300 to hitler and the nazis and you know you still have the the barbed wire fences and the national

01:02:01.700 guard deployed in washington the uh the january 6 riot was awfully convenient to the democrats

01:02:08.420 make of it what you will

01:02:13.800 we're going to be a long time

01:02:16.080 getting to the bottom of what actually happened

01:02:17.960 yeah no absolutely

01:02:20.160 we're still waiting on what

01:02:22.120 was going on in Berlin

01:02:23.380 and to the same point here

01:02:25.940 I think it was well said

01:02:28.360 I personally I follow the Babylon Bee

01:02:30.420 all the time online both

01:02:31.800 and their non-fiction side which is not the bee

01:02:34.480 because they still remain the best satire

01:02:36.580 on the internet right now

01:02:37.860 And they've made the point of a party that says that military coup was going to take place, stages military coup and takes over the Capitol.

01:02:46.680 This is this is precisely it. The Democrats have everything they could possibly want.

01:02:50.300 They have all three branches of government. Well, they have at least two of all three houses of government.

01:02:54.520 They're waiting on they're waiting on the last branch if they expand the Supreme Court and they're and they have occupied the Capitol and they have a fence around it.

01:03:02.340 Like they're they're good to go. They're they're they're as safe as they could be.

01:03:06.340 Yeah. It's strange times. And again, if you start to really deconstruct things and look at things, you start to find that you're making common cause with conspiracy theorists.

01:03:22.340 And you never would have, you know, before, if you'd come and listen to what was going on and you start to run into conspiracy theorists, you shy away.

01:03:31.620 in this well maybe they are right sometimes you know they're made for good allies in any case

01:03:39.180 i'm thinking of probably most specifically there was a tweet early on in covid during the lockdown

01:03:43.960 it was a atheistic libertarian you know doesn't bother going to church doesn't care if people go

01:03:48.720 to church right and suddenly they ban church atheistic libertarian begins going to church

01:03:53.600 right like it's like i mean you know like you can't tell me what not to do like you can't take

01:04:00.060 my church away from me that i didn't want in the first place and and so i think you make you find

01:04:04.700 you find strange allies you know you find strange allies uh you know i think people find that with

01:04:10.140 all sorts of things just as an aside uh one of the things i you know did was i accidentally wrote a

01:04:17.420 chronology of the second world war um i i accidentally wrote two versions of it and i've

01:04:23.980 just finished uh working on the third version i i hope to get published someday but when i was just

01:04:30.220 about finished it the first time round i got tired about hearing about the athletes and starlets

01:04:36.700 being described as being heroic for having fashionable opinions so i studied my chronology

01:04:42.620 of the second world war with people who had achieved high distinctions medals of honor

01:04:47.660 victoria cross uh heroes of the soviet union and some of the most interesting cases were people

01:04:54.540 who'd actually been righteous among the nations people who had jews and i put in dozens and

01:05:00.300 dozens of them when you could tie them to a particular date you know in the in the chronology

01:05:05.100 but the one thing it sort of gave me was a working knowledge of what it takes you know to be heroic

01:05:11.100 when the one common impression i got from the righteous among the nations where the and these

01:05:19.980 were not people who you know were ideologically opposed to the nazis most of them were contrarians

01:05:27.820 you know in other words if they were told he's got to hate these people and hand them over

01:05:32.700 their common attitude for them all was like hell i'm not going to do anything of that nature

01:05:39.100 And so they started hiding people.

01:05:44.000 And so sometimes it's the contrarians and the nuts that actually are the most heroic among us.

01:05:50.320 It's true. It's true.

01:05:51.880 I mean, you know, nobody tell the Vatican that when it comes to canonizing saints.

01:05:56.040 That's usually true.

01:05:58.640 Usually the most controversial people.

01:06:01.360 Coming back then to Canada and what's happening here.

01:06:05.040 when it comes to what what do you observe when it comes to our internal security both but either

01:06:10.460 either from threats even domestic but also from just the fact that we do have people are doing

01:06:14.780 clearly agitprop and all sorts of things inside of canada there are people who come here looking

01:06:18.880 for monies for their their fights back home for the ethno state there are people here who are

01:06:24.000 clearly influencing us clearly from china there's lots of influence what what do canadians need to

01:06:29.860 do to try and arm themselves and and and and protect their democracy from being influenced

01:06:34.120 in a wayward fashion well the great canadian tradition is to ignore the danger until it's too

01:06:40.460 late yeah and and that has been our custom for a very long time except right around confederacy 0.68

01:06:47.940 when we finally got the lesson that the irish nationalists you know were a potential threat

01:06:53.060 because they invaded canada several times and you know the toronto wasp bush had to uh

01:06:59.440 mixed success you know fend them away and a couple of the skirmishes of the

01:07:04.680 Niagara Peninsula but you know also if you look back at it in Canada we've had

01:07:09.940 two political assassinations in 153 years which argues a lot about the the

01:07:16.200 central decency of Canada but one of them of course you know was the Darcy

01:07:21.580 McGee was shot on Spark Street in 1869 he was an Irish Catholic politician who

01:07:27.040 was killed by Fenian but if you say for example talk about the Chinese

01:07:33.460 infiltration of the Canadian political system have you ever read the Sidewinder

01:07:38.500 report I have not well remember the initial draft and the Sidewinder report

01:07:45.220 was being compiled I think around 1998 and it was about Chinese penetration in

01:07:51.220 the Canadian political parties and it got to the draft got to the deputy

01:07:55.280 minister um in the attorney general i believe who immediately ordered the report destroyed

01:08:01.840 and all research notes uh to be burnt and accidentally and not on purpose copies of the

01:08:08.160 report fell off the backs of trucks to a lot of feet i got a copy of it um and of course

01:08:16.080 cesis picked uh well even though they were a target audience for this particular report you

01:08:21.920 know they didn't officially receive it but they've been quoting it ever since you know and you have

01:08:28.640 a number of people in in thesis in our professional circles who know that the chinese have been

01:08:35.280 penetrating hard into canadian politics but you can't tell canadian politicians that or the media

01:08:42.880 no no no god forbid you can't and you couldn't couldn't possibly put it out there that there's

01:08:47.840 clearly some honeypotting going on and clearly some some arrangements being made in order for 0.91

01:08:53.700 people well i mean it's money and sex it's always money and sex we all know that but this is canada 0.98

01:09:00.620 it's all money sex and potential political support voters you know when we got the uh when the tamil 0.94

01:09:07.620 tigers were busy again doing the same thing penetrating into canadian politics and and running

01:09:13.160 their community you had a few politicians who were helping tamil tigers bring in refugees from sri

01:09:21.160 lanka from tamil refugees but that was also very clear that they were adding them into their own

01:09:28.600 writings as part of their voting base for the future yes clientelism clientelism is as as

01:09:36.200 canadian as it gets as canadian as as u.s gerrymandering it's just like it's like the

01:09:41.400 americans of gerrymandering canadians of clientelism uh and and it's and it's funny

01:09:45.880 because it depends on what kind of clients you want to go get as you're pointing out there so

01:09:50.280 so i remember i remember very distinctly you know i went to trading western which was not

01:09:54.360 at that time anywhere near wokeness uh and nowadays i'm guessing it probably still seems

01:09:58.920 very conservative many people but unfortunately i've heard that there's been some political

01:10:02.200 correctness that has uh to use your word penetrated uh my alma mater but the the thing

01:10:07.640 that what hit me was our one our one kind of uh well look he was he was a post-modern and he used

01:10:15.720 a post-modern interpretation when it came to historical issues he took us on some but he

01:10:19.480 actually still took us on physical journeys around the lower mainland we went up to yale we went we

01:10:23.720 went you know saw where they dried the fish and went to all sorts of places to talk about bc history

01:10:29.400 one of the places we went was chinatown and and in chinatown there are historic monuments that show

01:10:36.040 both both leninist and and marxist and of course maoist but as well as as well as the nationalist

01:10:42.280 uh heroes of the time that were trying to get money to bring back to china for the fight

01:10:49.400 so for the freedom fighting so so or whatever however you want to put that for terrorism at

01:10:53.160 the time like however you want to say that so canada having freedom fighters it was one of

01:10:56.840 the ironies when people were getting offended or encouraging freedom fighters to come back from

01:11:01.480 isis or in the north iraq in the levant and what was going on there like i mean canada's

01:11:07.400 been having this problem for a long time well we've always had it you know it was the the

01:11:13.640 fenians in the 1860s and go on it if you look at the 1960s we had all sorts of things go on you

01:11:19.560 know uh croats who were still fighting against the regime of tito you know were a terrorist problem

01:11:25.480 here um we had somebody uh who fired a rocket an anti-tank rocket at the cuban consulate in montreal

01:11:34.760 in the 1960s and then of course you know the 1970s and 80s you know we had other

01:11:41.160 foreign groups that were in canada busy working for the uh the cause back home it's it's an old

01:11:47.960 situation um i think the the worst we ever had were the the tamil tigers you know who basically

01:11:56.280 most terrorist groups were most big terrorist groups eventually develop organized crime

01:12:02.520 to pay for their activities and it's part of the life cycle you know if you look at some of the

01:12:06.760 groups like uh uh the uh eta or the provisional wing of the irish republican army you know what

01:12:15.480 you have is an organized criminal group that clings to the the rags of the cause to keep

01:12:22.760 running their enterprises but with the tamil tigers what you actually had was an organized

01:12:29.000 criminal class in sri lanka that turned to terrorism as a money-making venture

01:12:35.000 and came to canada and basically created or helped sustain the the tamil tiger presence in canada

01:12:43.560 and then fed off of them you know for years

01:12:46.840 and and finally it got to the point where

01:12:50.600 most tamils were just sort of yearning to be free of this

01:12:53.640 yoke because it was costing them so much and they are 0.99

01:12:57.160 the the insult to their own intelligence it so it's an old situation but

01:13:03.000 uh what's also very very different nowadays is that

01:13:06.920 there's so many ways of making money in so many different ways and you don't

01:13:10.520 actually need to create and run your own ethnic group anymore you can do that in

01:13:16.880 a number of different ways the other problem of course is that you know the

01:13:21.440 alphabet soup of agencies we've got you know I talked about the CSIS and the

01:13:26.300 RCMP and but if you know the fin track the Canadian border services agency you

01:13:32.420 know there's a dozen different organizations that are out there when

01:13:38.300 you talk privately to members of the organizations they tend to know what's

01:13:43.040 going on but right now the way they report to government white supremacy

01:13:50.540 first and you know first last and always and all the other ones signed so I mean

01:13:58.100 I know some that are like privately keeping their own research files and the

01:14:01.820 groups they've been studying for years but they don't talk about them they're

01:14:06.920 they're waiting for a new reality to creep into ottawa yeah a change in government perhaps

01:14:14.740 yes with with that with that in mind i mean election is probably imminent uh justin trudeau

01:14:22.320 is probably going to call another election soon i mean the tories seem to be lagging uh for lack

01:14:28.140 of a better word or you could say some other really negative things there uh they certainly

01:14:31.800 don't seem excited they certainly seem divided and of course justin trudeau just like just like

01:14:36.420 anybody would uh instead of mourning the loss of the 215 children that were just discovered

01:14:41.680 in in Kamloops has used their there's really no nice way of saying it on the on their bodies he

01:14:48.180 is planting a flag of of righteous indignation that is all virtue signaling and he probably

01:14:53.160 will not actually do anything that'll help residential school survivors or or anything

01:14:58.280 else that's happened when it comes to residential schools good or ill because i think that narrative

01:15:02.160 has also gone a very specific direction which isn't always true the point is that he's going

01:15:06.980 to virtue signal like none other and try and steal the election with with that basically as

01:15:12.000 his modus operandi while the conservatives are looking the other way um i i fear you are right

01:15:18.840 you know there are aspects of uh canadian history that have been overlooked you know for example

01:15:26.140 most of the government records about residential schools were destroyed under

01:15:33.260 Mackenzie King in the 1940s so I mean the only records that might possibly

01:15:38.500 still exist maybe perhaps are in the Vatican archives and now Trudeau is up

01:15:43.960 there waffling and huffing and saying that the Catholic Church needs to

01:15:48.260 cooperate and he's not mentioning the fact that it was actually one of the

01:15:54.340 most famous Liberal Prime Ministers ever was responsible for the destruction of

01:15:58.100 many of the records and you know there's a lot of other aspects of the context

01:16:03.280 of its tragedy the residential schools that have not come up for discussion

01:16:08.580 and that itself is interesting you know for example if you in Toronto if you're

01:16:15.960 coming off the Don Valley Parkway and you're coming into Richmond Street one

01:16:20.440 the downtown streets, you go by one of the oldest Catholic cathedral in Toronto, and

01:16:26.060 a big lawn there with a large part of it fenced off, and, you know, a lot of developers have

01:16:32.120 looked at that lawn and thought, you know, about the stuff they could build there.

01:16:36.180 There's about 8,000 people buried there on the grounds of the Catholic Church from a

01:16:40.860 typhus epidemic in the 1840s, and again, you know, most of the Protestant ministers, you

01:16:49.580 know fled but the Catholic Church was out you know helping out with those who

01:16:54.740 were you know sleeves rolled up among all the sick beds and trying to deal

01:16:58.340 with this and that's forgotten smallpox you know I've noticed for example if

01:17:04.840 you go to the British Columbia Museum in Victoria you know there's a reference

01:17:08.660 to some of the First Nations in the 1860s horrible smallpox epidemic is

01:17:13.700 some of the the northern bands killed half the people um the last though uh smallpox epidemic

01:17:20.980 that uh the big one uh killed 3 000 people was in montreal in 1885 and it's actually got a lot of

01:17:27.460 interesting historical parallels because civic authorities and the catholic church in montreal

01:17:34.660 were knocking suggesting that everybody get out and try this new medical procedure of getting

01:17:40.340 themselves vaccinated against smallpox and most people refused they didn't trust the science and

01:17:47.300 three thousand of them died two thousand children you know these are aspects of our history we've

01:17:53.700 forgotten so we look at the residential schools and we look at the death rate and you know it's

01:17:59.780 horrible but if you actually look at the stats scan records about childhood mortality in canada

01:18:06.580 in the 19th century the first half of the 20th century it's pretty horrible across the board

01:18:13.460 you know i think the the real crime with the residential school was not so much the death

01:18:17.700 rate it's the way it was handled and there that actually suggests the administration and

01:18:23.620 supervision from the elementary for the residential schools was being overlooked

01:18:29.060 but the records for that especially from the government side have all been destroyed

01:18:33.060 i think that something that it needs to be clarified to when it comes to residential

01:18:39.840 schools is that the government had contracted the churches to do this and so it's funny now

01:18:46.180 that the government's trying to throw the church under the bus as if it had nothing to do with what

01:18:51.460 took place and and again i think it's really hard for people to understand that the narrative isn't

01:18:57.060 as clean and tidy as people would like to think there are there were non-aboriginal students there

01:19:02.140 for example some of those non-aboriginal students have stories of abuse just as there are many many

01:19:08.380 aboriginal students and former students who actually have positive stories or just mediocre

01:19:13.820 stories they don't have tragic stories from that time it's just a it was a fact of life this was 0.99

01:19:18.940 where you went to school this was how it was well the other thing is if you look at the disease

01:19:24.620 environment the late 19th century 20th century you had two particular vulnerabilities one is

01:19:31.100 if you were first nations and did not have in your genes the resistance to the old world disease

01:19:38.060 environment that had arrived in north america the other thing was that um you know for example

01:19:44.300 the united states military the united states army uh in the american civil war you know they always

01:19:49.580 wanted to recruit the country boys because they thought the country boys were you know were

01:19:52.940 were tough and fit and you had to shoot where you know the riffraff from the city 0.93

01:19:56.620 you know we're the people they didn't want to become soldiers then of course 0.98

01:20:02.240 you know you look at some camp and like 1862 in the winter and smallpox would

01:20:06.580 roar through it and it was the the boys from the city that surviving it the

01:20:11.620 country boys were being buried out back so if you look again at the disease

01:20:15.980 environment for some of these residential schools in the 19th century

01:20:20.620 the kids from the small towns from the remote areas and again the country were

01:20:25.940 ones who were again far more vulnerable than the uh cities kids in the cities were and again it's

01:20:32.660 a fact of life and no one's ever done the number crunching on it you know and it's something that

01:20:38.180 should need to be done but again you know we've got a posturing prime minister and his movement

01:20:44.340 that is preparing for an election and uh context is not going to be discussed

01:20:48.820 meanwhile on the conservative side of the spectrum we have aaron o'toole who has a base i think he's

01:20:56.900 essentially lost the base i don't know if anybody wants to show up and vote for him uh not just on

01:21:02.820 not just on questions of social conservative issues or even gun issues though he's definitely

01:21:06.980 lacking there as well but it but just in general he seems to be an unexciting figure which is odd

01:21:12.980 because there was a moment there right at the beginning uh when when you know being the member

01:21:17.460 for durham a very working class part of canada a traditional a traditional uh automotive a place

01:21:25.640 in canada manufacturing base in canada one of the few that we have in this country looked like he

01:21:30.280 could be the guy from durham who would beat the guy from papineau and he's he's lost this element

01:21:36.140 and gone off and talked about carbon taxes and some other bizarre canadian tire money machine

01:21:41.660 it's it's all gone all over the place while also leaving social conservatives behind

01:21:46.620 what what is exciting about this character anymore like why would anybody vote for aaron o'toole

01:21:53.340 and i guess it's one thing that doesn't speak well for us you know if you look at the the liberal

01:21:58.460 party when pierre trudeau took his walk in the snow in what 1983 you know you immediately had

01:22:06.620 had, for almost 20 years, a fight between the Desmarais group and the Ernst Cliff group

01:22:16.720 over who was going to be the power behind the throne in the Liberal Party.

01:22:22.280 And it handicapped the Liberals for a long time, even though, you know, Chrétien was

01:22:26.800 able to take advantage of the split between the Reform and later the Alliance Party and

01:22:31.740 conservatives to win a number of undeserved majority governments um but the the civil

01:22:39.660 fighting between the uh the factions of the liberals finally died down when the new kids took

01:22:45.180 over uh in you know 2014 2015 and uh justin trudeau suddenly became the leader of the liberals

01:22:54.540 it's the conservatives though again you know factional fighting inside the conservative

01:22:59.500 movement that is continued and is again yeah you can throw up leader after leader and there's a

01:23:06.860 whole mess of ambitious people who all want to be the power pan on the throne and they've always

01:23:11.020 got the knives out whoever the leader is so again you know we we couldn't get rid of harper fast

01:23:19.100 enough and then we brought in his replacement he lost one election and the knives came out get rid

01:23:24.300 of them and we're not even waiting for the election before you know um we stab the the

01:23:30.220 current leader of the conservatives together and again there's all sorts of people who got their

01:23:34.780 candidates in the wings and are waiting you know next election we'll finally have a leader that

01:23:38.700 canadians will rally behind you know someday the conservatives are going to have to learn keep the

01:23:43.420 knives away and focus on the leader and push because otherwise you know we're going to get

01:23:49.580 more prime ministers like trudeau it's a valid point i i guess the thing that's real disappointment

01:23:57.540 here everybody everybody isn't what they seem i mean you know uh the honeymoon period ends

01:24:03.660 that's something that i'm being told a lot these days as i as i head for the for the aisle uh with

01:24:09.200 my beloved and and that's that's part of life and that's why the sacrament is what it is and that's

01:24:13.800 why the vows are what they vow and likewise between us and people that we're not married to

01:24:18.040 who we're following as our leaders there is a certain sense of honor and responsibility a sacred

01:24:23.240 bond i i i make no quarrel with that you know and i don't quibble it either but the but the question

01:24:30.520 still becomes that if you're if you're promising one thing and then you deliver something entirely

01:24:34.600 differently in your first press conference no less right coming coming out as i was the first pro

01:24:39.720 choice uh you know candidate to be elected as leader of the conservative party and everybody

01:24:44.280 just stops it's like that record scratch sound in a movie and it's like everybody just all look at

01:24:48.680 you know like wait what like you're leading with that did you did you want to lead with that you

01:24:53.800 got like two seconds to take this back and he doesn't he just leans into it i think that's kind

01:24:58.360 of it it was that it's not just it's not just a question of the abortion question that is a

01:25:01.800 question that needs to be solved in this country and the court told us that in 1988 but but the

01:25:06.600 point is that he just seems to have really alienated just about every kind of major demographic

01:25:12.200 inside the party except the progressive wing of the party which is very small as far as i can tell

01:25:19.720 uh it's small but it's also very traditional but um it was a harper who uh was pointing out and

01:25:26.120 this was actually just before we got back into politics but i remember listening to a lecture of

01:25:31.320 his in i think 94 or 95 and he talked about how actually the liberals are united uh behind the

01:25:40.200 prospect of power but the problem for the ndp and the problem for the conservatives is they're both

01:25:46.840 big tent parties with a number of factions who are in inside the tent so the problem for the

01:25:52.040 leader of the ndps or the problem for the leader of the conservatives is you're trying to unite

01:25:57.160 all these particular factions and get them working together and it's an extra set of challenges for

01:26:04.120 both you know the ndp uh leader is always got to work about you the marxists about the unionists

01:26:10.920 and about sort of you know the prairie uh you know saskatchewan farmers you know who again have

01:26:17.880 their own tradition where you know the conservatives you're dealing with the fiscal

01:26:22.280 conservatives the libertarian types um the progressive conservatives and you're trying

01:26:28.680 to keep them all together and of course in both cases you know the ndp has a faction that scared

01:26:33.960 the general population because most of us don't like marxists and social conservatives tend to

01:26:39.640 scare a lot of ordinary canadians so you want them in the tent but you also want them to be quiet 0.98

01:26:45.640 so that they don't and that's hard to do you know so that's the traditional handicap that 0.99

01:26:52.360 they've both got to continue with but of course you know just sort of remembering there's one

01:26:57.480 other line in the the king james bible i've always put a lot of stock in uh well there's a lot i put

01:27:02.760 to stock in but put not your trust in princes you know we've got a new leader and again there's a

01:27:10.920 lot of people who always want to think of the new political leader that the party leader is the new

01:27:15.000 messiah who's going to make everything perfect he's the guy who's great he's who we've exactly

01:27:19.560 waited for none of them is perfect you're never going to get you know a party leader that does

01:27:27.160 everything you agree with the best you can really do in every election is you know hold your nose

01:27:34.360 and vote for the party that annoys you the least and if you're conservative

01:27:41.240 again the current leader of the conservative party might not be a perfect leader

01:27:45.720 but he's the one they've got right now and just wish the guys with the knives would

01:27:50.520 sit back and take it easy for a chance for a change maybe maybe a place to kind of wrap up

01:27:57.480 then john uh is is just that concept of uh i believe it was uh trying to remember who's

01:28:04.440 who's the big chicago school economist again why am i forgetting his name men something with an m

01:28:11.560 right well remember economics is something i've actually paid very little attention to just like

01:28:18.040 Fair enough, but his point was that you don't wait for a messiah.

01:28:25.340 You get the wrong people to do the right thing, and we won't get a messiah in the conserved party,

01:28:34.300 but we could get somebody who is competent enough to run the government for a little while

01:28:38.020 and maybe push it back into a right-wing direction where we don't just spend money like it's growing on trees

01:28:43.120 and we don't just tax the air we breathe, maybe we can do that.

01:28:48.360 And you're right.

01:28:49.260 You're right.

01:28:49.600 I agree with you that there needs to be some kind of cooperation

01:28:52.920 along all the factions on the right that says, no, you know what,

01:28:56.140 we have to defeat this menace and get something done here in Ottawa.

01:29:01.960 Yeah.

01:29:03.720 Well, I could go into von Klauschwitz and his property of the subordinates.

01:29:09.740 You know, the ideal subordinate, just like the ideal politician, is an active, intelligent one.

01:29:16.200 And then you want a lazy, intelligent one, you know, who you say like Louis Saint Laurent, who doesn't do much, but is smart enough to know that he shouldn't do much. 0.99

01:29:26.340 The worst is what we've currently got, an active, stupid prime minister. 1.00

01:29:31.100 you know but at least with a lazy stupid subordinate or a lazy stupid politician 1.00

01:29:38.700 they won't do much harm you know so please make your choices accordingly 1.00

01:29:42.820 i think maybe the other one is is c.s lewis said it well too something similar right it'd be better

01:29:50.900 to live under a bad man than under a good man or a man who is compelled by his conscience to do bad

01:29:56.460 things or make bad policy

01:29:57.840 because at least the bad man will tire

01:30:00.480 the tyrant will tire and

01:30:02.380 the good man compelled by his conscience will

01:30:04.500 actually never tire. He's a zealot

01:30:06.320 and he's a zealot for the wrong things

01:30:08.540 Oh, exactly

01:30:10.200 Yeah

01:30:11.540 But I know you have to leave us at about

01:30:14.420 this time, I believe, John. You told me so

01:30:16.560 It was 11.30 Mountain, I

01:30:18.500 believe, so I'll let you go

01:30:20.400 But I appreciate you coming

01:30:22.500 on and explaining all the wide world to

01:30:24.500 us again. We hope to have you on again soon

01:30:27.100 I'll look forward to it.

01:30:27.900 Thanks very much.

01:30:29.200 Thank you so much, John.

01:30:30.980 But this has been an ongoing kind of question when it comes to the federal election.

01:30:36.360 What will happen?

01:30:37.640 I think I'll take the last few minutes here and kind of dwell on that.

01:30:40.660 Maybe I could actually encourage my beloved producer to bring up the polls as they stand right now when it comes to the Canadian federal scene.

01:30:51.440 um yes and uh to claudette's point uh it's john is a great guest we're really appreciative to

01:30:58.320 have him uh john john doesn't get the doesn't get the press he deserves uh and he we're happy

01:31:05.120 to have him here to explain to us especially the foreign policy part of things because yeah i mean

01:31:09.920 that's what every channel needs right every channel needs a foreign policy aspect every

01:31:14.320 channel needs a domestic aspect every channel needs the various uh demographic constituents

01:31:19.520 aspect we all need that so so i think that uh we're gonna go we're gonna go here and and talk

01:31:25.980 a little bit about what's happening with polls and that sort of thing it's kind of funky um

01:31:30.360 apparently apparently there's a whole bunch of dots on this screen i have no idea what's going

01:31:35.080 on here i i i need i just need some numbers i guess it's a whole bunch of weird dots on the

01:31:41.620 screen i don't know i thought i was having a seizure for a second oh there we go okay so right

01:31:46.200 now uh as it stands we'll put this on the screen share so we're at 338.com which is like 538 in

01:31:53.860 america except maybe slightly more accurate so bad for you nate silver um right now the liberals are

01:32:01.400 in i believe uh majority zone with a 36 uh lead in the polls and the conservatives are behind them

01:32:09.740 at 31, leaving

01:32:11.620 the NDP down in the 17

01:32:13.540 range, and of course the

01:32:15.520 Block at 6, and the Green Party

01:32:17.480 at 6, and the People's

01:32:19.680 Party of Canada, which is listed here for

01:32:21.520 some reason, at just below

01:32:23.140 well, below 2

01:32:25.000 and unlikely to gain a seat

01:32:27.760 their projection

01:32:29.800 we'll just roll back up there a little bit

01:32:31.660 for that projection

01:32:32.400 June 6, 2019

01:32:34.760 hey, look at that, that says something different

01:32:37.520 popular vote projection

01:32:38.720 no so that was up there this is predictability vote projection yeah no so we're in the yeah

01:32:46.660 we're in the range bell curves happening uh seat projection okay 170 seats for needed for a majority

01:32:53.580 uh and this looks like a still minority situation for the liberals but probably not my guess is

01:33:00.620 that they would get the three to four seats more that they'd need um this has got them pegged at

01:33:05.740 167. The Conservatives

01:33:07.840 are at 114.

01:33:10.120 The Conservatives currently have, I'm trying to remember

01:33:12.000 how many seats the Conservatives have.

01:33:13.780 They have over 100.

01:33:15.540 There's a minority out of the last

01:33:17.560 election. They have over 100 right now.

01:33:20.080 And the NDP are down at 30.

01:33:21.820 The Block are down at 30.

01:33:23.280 And the Greens are at

01:33:25.240 2.2 point whatever.

01:33:29.180 And of course

01:33:29.940 there's one seat for Jody Wilson-Raybould.

01:33:31.740 I forgot about that. Oh, and Jane

01:33:33.600 Philpott. No, she lost her seat. 1.00

01:33:35.740 jane lost but jody jody stayed on so here we are here we are uh with a few minutes away from uh

01:33:44.140 from another another canadian election um and and pamela is making the point here uh that we have

01:33:53.240 to vote for the party the leader can always be changed uh you know and and as they used to say

01:33:58.100 like children's underpants and often for the same reason uh and then daryl over here is saying

01:34:03.140 something about uh electing a conservative placing it later if he approves against grassroots

01:34:07.300 just get your conservative candidate elected we are we don't vote for the leader so daryl making

01:34:13.640 the point that we don't vote for the leader and we don't this is not a republic uh we are we are

01:34:19.600 not a republic we are a parliamentary democracy uh which with with a constitutionally uh mandated

01:34:25.300 monarchy a lot of interesting comments coming in right away uh people are people have got some

01:34:30.140 things to say about the current federal situation decoy 11 which is a sheep with a mask on i have

01:34:36.440 sheep that look like that on the farm alberta free vote wild rose we must separate i i i don't want

01:34:44.720 to be the guy who has to has to say this especially on the token sovereignness channel and again i

01:34:49.740 have said many times before that my attitude towards sovereignty is somewhat ambivalent i

01:34:54.400 believe that making threats around sovereignty is a brilliant strategy uh in order to get more out

01:34:59.460 of ottawa i do i want the external borders of canada to change i'm still on the fence about

01:35:04.300 them but but i'll say this um i don't think alberta will get very far on its own separate i i think it

01:35:13.040 needs the coastline from british columbia or it needs the coastline up in where i was last year

01:35:18.420 churchill manitoba and therefore it needs saskatchewan and manitoba to come along for the

01:35:23.300 ride which would be really interesting leaving bc all by itself that would be really weird

01:35:27.460 it would look like all those you remember those old maps you used to see in social studies class

01:35:31.460 where the map showed like california when it was still part of mexico and that sort of stuff all

01:35:35.200 that weird stuff back there it'd be kind of interesting kind of interesting uh yeah no

01:35:41.280 that's a good point why is the bloc allowed to sit in the federal house of commons when they

01:35:44.560 only run candidates quebec the reform party is not allowed things uh not allowed because they

01:35:49.200 didn't run cans in all federal writings that's a fair point that's a fair point i know the reform

01:35:53.060 party had some difficulties getting off the ground especially when it was fighting with quebec

01:35:56.780 the québécois i think i think actually if i were to be perfectly candid with you a party like the

01:36:02.580 québécois if they did run candidates everywhere i think they could be quite successful because i

01:36:07.120 think the québécois are pretty un uncompromised and where they stand on things like no we are

01:36:11.960 here for quebec first it's like well you know what if you had a bc first party and you had an

01:36:15.700 alberta first party you might get somewhere with that maybe maybe we should be 10 cantankerous

01:36:20.300 cantons instead of just 10 weird provinces i don't believe the polls they are about as trustworthy

01:36:26.000 as covid numbers that's a good point kirsten i got to give you credit there um also i appreciate

01:36:31.560 that you said the polls as if they were a people group that was funny uh of course we do trust

01:36:37.700 polls uh we trust uh our former pope who is now uh saint in heaven uh john paul ii and uh we do

01:36:43.740 trust the polls my dear friend michael is a good poll he's a good guy i lived with the polls up

01:36:48.060 north um when i was in churchill the polls were running the place but uh polls with two l's yes

01:36:53.460 we uh we do uh have some questions there sorry i threw her under the bus there my my producer's

01:36:59.020 gonna cut my feed pretty quick here i don't shut up all right uh moving on along no i mean this is

01:37:04.620 the thing with the federal the federal issue okay like seriously it and this is this is actually

01:37:09.580 this is actually a good place to jump off so people are arguing on on the comments here they're

01:37:13.820 trying to say well which party should you vote for and should we just vote conservative and then try

01:37:17.560 and change the leader and get things figured out look here's the deal i really do believe and we're

01:37:22.120 actually going to have somebody on tomorrow who's going to talk about this when it comes to the

01:37:25.480 nature of the voting system i do think that there's a problem with the voting system itself

01:37:29.600 to a point and i do think that there's a problem politically speaking with with the way that we've

01:37:34.060 cut up this country i really think that if we wanted to change the way this country works

01:37:38.800 we would actually have to redivide it i don't think we necessarily need a secession uh inside

01:37:45.840 of canada and and that's i know we've we've had we've had this discussion before there are people

01:37:50.880 who comment here and there are people who watch this show that are very very pro-sovereignty

01:37:55.020 i i i've just tried to be honest with you i've never i've never tried to pretend i'm something

01:38:00.340 that i'm not i i do believe in questions around sovereignty there are serious questions that need

01:38:04.920 to be debated and separation and secession in canada i you know i'm going to get into trouble

01:38:10.120 for saying this i remain i remain a you know a staunch a staunch supporter for the lost cause

01:38:15.760 aspect of the South during the American Civil War. And that you can't have a federal government just

01:38:21.980 tell you what to do with your life. You can't. And I remain a big fan of Robert E. Lee. I said

01:38:27.220 so in my interview for the Canadian Forces way back in the day. I remember the captain interviewing

01:38:31.280 me, stopped me dead, and was like, what are you talking about? I'm like, well, he said he wouldn't

01:38:36.300 raise his hand against Virginia. He wouldn't fight his own home. He wouldn't turn on his home.

01:38:40.160 and and that is where I stand I do stand on that regardless of any other complicating factions

01:38:46.060 and factors there I I do I am a British Columbian first that I'm I'm not arguing that and I'm a

01:38:52.560 Western Canadian first before I'm an entire Canadian but at the same time I also think that

01:38:58.120 we need to have a system that would be well equitable that would that would not just leave

01:39:04.020 us vulnerable to the foreign interests who are clearly uh interested only in our resources and

01:39:08.600 not in helping us improve our country and we have to be careful with that and the smaller and easier

01:39:13.760 manipulate the easier to manipulate we make our political regimes uh we could very well come under 0.83

01:39:19.960 the thumb of china or the united states even worse than we are today and so i think we need to be

01:39:25.260 careful about that if i if i had it my way i would keep the external borders of canada the same and

01:39:29.460 i would recut the internal borders of canada because i think that whether we're talking about

01:39:34.060 northern and southern alberta like you guys who are over in alberta commenting here like you guys

01:39:37.600 you guys don't agree with each other you go talk to a saskatchewanian like he doesn't live in

01:39:41.660 saskatoon or regina like they don't agree with saskatoon or regina same thing with the rest of

01:39:45.800 manitoba and and winnipeg northern manitoba even though they might vote the same way as the

01:39:51.340 surrounding areas of of winnipeg they're all orange right no you bet that churchillians

01:39:58.180 and thompsonians do not agree with what goes on in winnipeg and they hate that winnipeg gets all

01:40:02.840 the attention so i think that we need to redivide our provinces first to tell you the truth i think

01:40:07.580 that would make a lot more sense and actually

01:40:09.540 help us with

01:40:10.900 our federal situation. I think that we probably

01:40:13.540 should look like a map that's closer to the United

01:40:15.580 States, which has 50 states.

01:40:17.880 And Canada should have something probably in the

01:40:19.620 range of 30 or 40, maybe even

01:40:21.480 50 provincial

01:40:23.160 Canton sort of things that have their own

01:40:25.440 independent way of doing things. But

01:40:27.420 we've got a few more comments

01:40:29.380 here.

01:40:31.040 The direction of

01:40:32.360 our Ottawa Conservatives are going no

01:40:35.200 different than the Liberal. I don't believe replacing

01:40:37.540 the leader is that easy. Look at the issue in Alberta. Marcy, you've actually got a great

01:40:41.440 point there. And the reason you've got a great point there is that in Alberta

01:40:45.520 is actually the example, probably also Manitoba.

01:40:49.580 Again, no offense to Saskatchewan. I think his name is Moe still

01:40:53.640 Scott Moe. Yeah, I mean, again, the fact that I can't even remember

01:40:57.620 who it is kind of shows how things are going there.

01:41:01.760 It doesn't really seem like things are going at all.

01:41:05.540 But in in Manitoba and in Alberta, we have a situation where we have two Tory governments, two right wing governments with with leaders that are now deeply unpopular for the actions that they've taken.

01:41:17.760 And there doesn't seem to be a method out of there. So, I mean, Kenny, I don't know. I don't know if Kenny should have resigned by now, but he's definitely had a had a problem for a while.

01:41:26.560 the borders of north america should have been north south and not east west i it is true that

01:41:31.660 there's probably more consensus between the great lakes and the appalachians and the laurentian

01:41:36.780 valley and the maritimes and even even probably down to the southeastern united states not quite

01:41:41.480 florida maybe but down down to even georgia or the carolinas that whole section of north america

01:41:47.840 probably has a lot more in common than everything west of lakehead and lake superior i i would agree

01:41:54.380 with pamela for the most part here but at the same time i i do think the borders went the way

01:41:59.040 they did for a reason uh they weren't just entirely arbitrary though they could have followed uh lines

01:42:04.320 a little bit better we probably could have had our border go down to the missouri river for example

01:42:08.000 and the headwaters of the mississippi would have made a little bit more sense for that matter i

01:42:12.780 mean minnesotans sound like canadians at least when they're in that far reaches of minnesota

01:42:16.640 but i guess i guess the short version on my end is that i do think that the borders of canada make

01:42:24.880 sense in a external fashion for the most part we could have had the columbia river base and that

01:42:29.620 would have been nice too we could increase those kind of areas of canada have that flow a little

01:42:33.880 bit more sensibly but outside of that i think that when it comes to our internal borders that's where

01:42:41.020 things that's where things need to really be fixed because victoria telling the rest of us

01:42:45.620 British Columbia what to do just doesn't work for us and honestly even Vancouver doesn't like

01:42:49.620 Victoria having the reins and even you know even Kelowna doesn't like Vancouver calling the shots

01:42:54.560 so something has to change there and we can change it if we were willing to re uh reappropriate and

01:43:01.380 redivide our provinces into more sensible sizes and more sensible uh political arrangements need

01:43:07.680 more people with principles but values everyone not just who gets you ahead of the game um it

01:43:15.620 I think the problem with political leadership, there's quite a few different things. But one of the big things that's a problem with political leadership is that, quite frankly, a lot of it is being done by, well, people who are just there to get ahead for themselves or are egotistical.

01:43:31.360 But the fact of the matter is, too, is that I think we forget how little power the average politician has in his hands.

01:43:37.140 And that doesn't mean that they aren't to blame for that.

01:43:38.960 They've given away so much of it and they shouldn't have done that.

01:43:41.940 That was wrong.

01:43:42.760 That was evil.

01:43:43.680 It was wicked that they gave away so much responsibility.

01:43:47.200 We did it in order to prevent there being abuses of power.

01:43:50.560 Right.

01:43:50.780 That's why we came up with commission government.

01:43:52.960 We have Stuart Parker on later this week.

01:43:54.600 We can get into the commission government point again.

01:43:56.480 And he can explain it again and educate us more again on this question of commission government, where you have an elected group of people who are kind of just the final decision makers.

01:44:05.200 They say yes or no to the final lines of the budget, but they don't really they don't really make the day to day decisions of government and they don't really form the policy.

01:44:14.660 That's all done by unelected bureaucrats. That's the problem we've had with COVID. That's the problem we have with the lockdown. That's the problem we have with everything.

01:44:21.180 that's a problem we have with driver's licensing

01:44:23.160 the idea that I pay five bucks

01:44:25.360 to drive my car around like go pay

01:44:27.160 a tax to have a license to drive

01:44:29.320 my car like I don't agree with

01:44:31.260 it but I understand why it happens

01:44:33.120 the idea that the state's going to be the one to make me

01:44:35.180 a better driver and I got to go to graduate

01:44:36.940 licensing and all the other things that have

01:44:39.180 happened around drinking and driving

01:44:41.060 and the drivers who don't get penalized for that

01:44:43.040 and never get caught before someone actually gets

01:44:45.060 killed while people who have just had one

01:44:47.160 drink with dinner end up losing their licenses

01:44:49.400 for a year and getting that

01:44:50.760 that that you know stigma for the rest of their life of being a drunk driver when nothing even

01:44:55.820 occurred like all those things need to change they need to change but that's again it's all

01:45:00.640 unelected bureaucrats because who would you vote out on that question and who would you consult

01:45:05.240 with who makes those points policies are developed by unelected bureaucrats and and they don't answer

01:45:13.420 for the mistakes in their policies they don't answer for it they get paid the same whether

01:45:18.080 they were right or they were wrong and that's a problem that's a really big problem and and that's

01:45:25.220 how canada is run and it's the reason your municipal governments can't do anything right

01:45:29.360 it's a reason that your provincial governments are completely haywire it's because they have

01:45:34.000 they and the federal government too the civil service runs it i don't even think the civil

01:45:38.300 service is inherently evil necessarily it's just that if you get paid the same at the end of the

01:45:43.400 day and you have no connection with reality because you have a job again that pays you the

01:45:47.140 same you've been working there 20 30 40 years you haven't lost a job since you were a teenager and

01:45:52.480 that was because you were going to school and you left your job to go back to school you have no

01:45:56.700 concept of what life is like for everyday people real people people who have to pay bills and feed

01:46:01.520 their kids and and provide all the taxes that pay for you people they don't care they don't know

01:46:06.960 they haven't been there in a lot of years and they form the policy and that's the problem

01:46:11.720 so we've got a couple more uh we have a few more suggestions um actually it's interesting

01:46:19.600 had a few uh but i meant in each country now that's interesting uh pamela just clarifying

01:46:27.140 her comment there that uh splitting it down that right we have richard number of conservatives

01:46:32.220 and liberals are members of the world economic forum uh require probably they plan to do it by

01:46:37.700 force if needed well i'll tell you this i definitely think that that the problem with our

01:46:42.260 our issues today is is that we don't we don't believe in small property ownership anymore we

01:46:48.420 don't believe in the freeholder anymore i used to run a blog that was called the yeoman's corner

01:46:52.960 uh and that was the way that we kind of did it it wasn't freeman on the land or anything like that

01:46:57.340 we just called it the yeoman's corner we used an old kind of photo well photo i mean it was an old

01:47:01.740 illustration from the middle ages of just a of a yeoman right a bowman uh leaning up against

01:47:07.580 something uh and and that's kind of where i'm at you know um and uh i mean richard's referencing

01:47:15.100 the agenda that's going on in the un with with trying to appropriate land the biggest thing that

01:47:20.180 i think we need to understand there is again the idea of us not just being a fiefdom and not just

01:47:25.340 being serfs on someone else's property and be and having a lard and all that stuff and all that

01:47:29.900 and being and a liege to call that's that's relatively new most of the world and still

01:47:35.900 today is still run on the concept of feudalism which is that you live on a piece of property

01:47:41.520 that someone else's and you work that land for them or you you work in their business for them

01:47:46.700 you do whatever and you pay your tax and that's they just they just extract every ounce of value

01:47:51.560 from you and you kind of have the benefit maybe of having a having a family and a little place

01:47:56.280 to call your home which isn't really yours either because you keep paying taxes on it uh very true

01:48:01.800 people have no recourse against the unelected um we got this dr canis not right just uh

01:48:07.320 health care is so terrible they get money no matter how bad a job they do that's an interesting

01:48:15.220 point we don't have a ton of time to jump into that question but i really believe in elected

01:48:19.660 hospital boards i really believe in this something something needed to change uh when it came to the

01:48:28.460 hospital board system that we had but the thing that they changed was getting rid of the election

01:48:32.580 and that was a huge mistake huge because of course if you if you change the fact that there's anybody

01:48:40.740 on that board that might be elected anybody that the public can actually hire or fire then you

01:48:46.520 really just have and the reason that people love being on hospital boards and everything because

01:48:49.780 it's just money right it's money money money money money right they're money thing bc ferries in

01:48:54.800 british columbia money out the wazoo the utilities commission money out the wazoo if you want to win

01:48:59.820 the lottery forget the lottery make friends with a politician who you know is going places and let

01:49:04.420 him put you on a board a moneyed board not a volunteer one i was on a volunteer board i was

01:49:10.160 on cnc our buddy aaron ekman was on unbc he wasn't getting paid for that i wasn't getting paid for

01:49:15.160 mind i got like a stipend of like 50 bucks a month or something i it you know that you want

01:49:20.300 you want money like you get onto a hospital board but then again why would you ever be controversial

01:49:24.620 if you're getting the money for doing that we've got sheldon jones here it's what happened to the

01:49:30.080 political idea of conservative smaller government last time i explained that was with ralph klein

01:49:34.200 in the 90s um he just corrected himself down here for the spelling of klein but no we got what you

01:49:39.660 trying to say uh buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh and then uh pamela making the point that the same with

01:49:46.540 wa sub-bennett and bc we have to remember too that and this was brought up on on well i can't remember

01:49:51.660 if it was on this program or the other show that aaron i do but but it was brought up that that

01:49:55.980 wa sub-bennett also helped appropriate you know bc electric company and turned it into what is now bc

01:50:02.380 hydro so sometimes populist right-wing figures do some pretty i don't know if you really i don't

01:50:08.460 I don't know what else to say.

01:50:09.380 It's kind of a socialistic thing.

01:50:10.720 They definitely socialized.

01:50:11.460 They nationalized it.

01:50:12.300 They appropriated it.

01:50:13.120 They took the company away from the shareholders and gave it to the people of British Columbia.

01:50:16.840 So I don't know what you guys want to think about that.

01:50:18.460 But that was a pretty drastic move.

01:50:22.100 And it was for the benefit of British Columbia. 0.99

01:50:23.620 And it was a great idea that continues to pay benefits to British Columbia today, provided that we stopped running BC Hydro like complete crap. 0.94

01:50:31.240 But that was a pretty serious maneuver.

01:50:33.220 I've gotten pretty excited over here and I'm a little all over the place between the comments

01:50:38.500 and everything but I think with the federal election to come back to that the the issue is

01:50:43.600 that there isn't any issues because of the interference being played by the media so

01:50:48.700 here's the real issue so here's the issue here's the way to vote in this upcoming federal election

01:50:53.340 does your member of parliament want the lockdowns to end does your member of parliament agree with

01:50:59.380 vaccine passports and does your member of parliament think that the amount of money that

01:51:03.140 we've printed through this entire escapade is totally okay if your member of parliament is

01:51:08.180 answering you know yes to any of that that yes vaccine passports are great everyone must be

01:51:13.980 forced to be vaccinated uh that that the lockdowns were the smartest maneuver ever and it was totally

01:51:19.260 fine to completely change the economy uh on a dime and and finally uh that speaking of dimes

01:51:25.320 the amount of money that we've printed nah it'll be fine we'll just we'll pay it back in taxes or

01:51:29.120 We'll pay it back.

01:51:29.660 We'll just use inflation and we'll be fine.

01:51:31.620 We'll take care of it in a couple of years.

01:51:32.800 If your politician is saying yes, yes, and yes to any of that and not talking about the real threats to our democracy vis-a-vis foreign interests, particularly when it comes to China, and not talking about our economy in a sense of like we need to try and keep jobs here, keep resource development here, and get to second and tertiary industries of how we take our own raw products and bring them to market.

01:51:56.000 it if you're if you're if your leader and your member of parliament is not advocating for you

01:52:02.760 you the little guy who has bills to pay and a family to feed if they're not advocating for that

01:52:09.320 throw them out it's that simple i don't care what color they're running under i don't care what

01:52:14.680 banner i don't care what party if they aren't fighting for you the little guy if they're not

01:52:19.840 trying to give you more autonomy as a citizen of this country by giving you the economic freedom

01:52:25.820 freedom and and and the and if there are public services the public service is necessary to do

01:52:31.100 what you need to do as a family a family man a family woman a wife a husband of a parent and

01:52:36.940 and as a young person hoping to become a parent someday the wife or the husband of another it

01:52:42.900 throw them out i mean throw them out i mean i mean make a point of it put a sign on your lawn

01:52:50.280 that says throw him out throw her out get some new leadership get involved in your local

01:52:57.520 constituent situation and and bring up whether or not this person should be allowed to run again

01:53:02.940 get involved sign up yourself if you want to run you know sign up yourself get the signatures you

01:53:09.020 need in order to run file yourself with elections canada and make your voice heard get out there

01:53:13.140 to earn media if you guys run if people like yourself run if no matter how unpolished you

01:53:18.420 might be i i'll happily bring you on this program you know you send me an email we'll bring that up

01:53:23.360 now actually you send me an email and i'd happily have you on this program you know why because we

01:53:28.440 need more disruptors we need more free thought we need more free expression we cannot continue to

01:53:34.380 have the same boring policies over and over and over again it hasn't worked it isn't working we

01:53:40.760 used every tired idea under covid and it has cost us an exorbitant amount of money i'm pretty sure

01:53:46.040 the exact same amount of people died regardless of your of your opinion on the deadliness of the

01:53:50.880 virus whatever did occur throughout that pandemic the exact same amount of of people who would have

01:53:56.400 or wouldn't have depending on the lockdown that it didn't work it didn't help it didn't change

01:54:00.880 anything now we got the vaccine question now we got our civil liberties under threat with the

01:54:04.920 passport this is nonsense this is not what this isn't even the realm of government like it's

01:54:09.760 complete non sequitur this country has infinite potential and if you or any of your friends want

01:54:18.640 to get out there and and tell us what's really going on and how to do things you know we need

01:54:25.460 we need to do it we need to do it we need people to get out there and speaking of Derek Sloan

01:54:30.280 somebody brought up Derek Sloan I'll just end on that we have reached out to Derek I don't know if

01:54:34.620 anybody has a better connection with Derek uh than we do but if somebody does uh tell Derek to get on

01:54:39.320 this program because we've been trying to get a hold of him every now and again and he hasn't

01:54:43.640 had a ton of time so i mean he's busy which is fine but somebody get a hold of that guy and tell

01:54:48.660 him to uh to come this way because we'd love to have him on so and uh we'll we'll leave it there

01:54:57.580 i mean there's been some really good some really good uh some really good comments here i'll end

01:55:03.600 here with daryl just just making a point on uh wacky bennett uh the ccf ran on a platform taking

01:55:10.160 over bc electric in the previous election gained seats why he saw the writing on the wall informed

01:55:13.760 bc had a winning more elections he may have been right side but represented the entire province

01:55:18.480 no i know i completely agree completely agree daryl uh no no question here you could you should

01:55:23.440 come on the show and educate us on that question same as aaron does that's that's uh we we we

01:55:28.800 completely agree with that that's the point that that sometimes you have to make popular decisions

01:55:33.600 that are unpopular in the sense of that they aren't a direct correlation to necessarily your

01:55:38.800 political principles but you have to make the right decision that is the benefit for your

01:55:43.120 province your country your region your family your community that's how we have to be that's

01:55:47.360 how we have to be it's not about having no principles it's about doing that thing which

01:55:50.480 actually does benefit all of us so hopefully that's the political party that gets picked

01:55:56.160 because as it stands right now the political parties we have are not helping us it's all going

01:56:00.720 so wrong and we need to find parties that actually care about the people they're going to rule

01:56:06.800 i don't understand why that's so much to ask maybe i'm naive maybe i'm ignorant maybe i'm

01:56:12.240 maybe i'm young and silly but i really don't believe that this is rocket science i think it's

01:56:17.520 very simple if if if someone makes you their king in a sense because i remember that you know in the

01:56:24.880 biblical sense like that's actually what happened israel didn't have a king and then someone was

01:56:28.640 made a king so not exactly someone who's just brought down from wherever arose out of the

01:56:34.400 mists and suddenly they were in charge they were actually elected they were selected

01:56:39.760 by the popular will of the people at least in the first instance and so the point that i would draw

01:56:44.880 there is just that if you're if you're a leader and you're listening to this broadcast if you're

01:56:50.160 somebody in your community that's in charge of anything we're depending on you we're depending

01:56:57.760 on you very greatly we can't run our own lives in their entirety i can't pave the streets myself i

01:57:04.320 can't paint all the lines myself i can't walk every kid to school and build every school over

01:57:09.360 again by brick and mortar all by myself it takes a community and the community means organization

01:57:13.520 and organization means hierarchy and hierarchy means leadership and that comes with responsibility

01:57:18.960 so if you're a leader that's listening to this broadcast it's very simple it's very simple we're

01:57:24.160 depending on you and we need you to do your job and your job is to look out for us as best as you

01:57:30.240 can and to be honest about about the tough decisions you face and consult us and ask us

01:57:36.400 which way do you think we should go you're the final decision maker but you need to do this in

01:57:41.360 consultation with the people that you have been elected to rule to guide to help and we're feeling

01:57:48.240 pretty alienated and it's getting to the point where we don't think anybody listens to us at all

01:57:52.080 And that's pretty hard to take.

01:57:54.760 So hopefully you're listening.

01:57:56.460 Hopefully that strikes at your heart.

01:57:57.940 And hopefully you resolve to be a better leader.

01:58:00.580 And to do more for the people who have put their trust in you.

01:58:06.460 I'm going to leave it there for today.

01:58:08.400 Thank you so much for tuning in to Mountain Standard Time.

01:58:12.320 I'm your host, Nathan Guida.

01:58:13.660 We'll be on again bright and early tomorrow, 9 a.m. Pacific, 10 a.m. Mountain.

01:58:18.460 we're bringing on bill barnes to talk about a way that we might get some better leadership that is

01:58:22.700 to use the value vote ballot he'll be telling us about it tomorrow and we'll be bringing him on

01:58:27.980 so thank you so much for tuning in i appreciate your time and we'll see you tomorrow for mountain

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