00:08:04.220Apparently, the U.S. intelligence report found that several researchers
00:08:07.360at China's Wuhan lab institute of virology fell ill in November 2019,
00:08:13.400had to be hospitalized, a new detail about the severity of the symptoms.
00:08:16.780It's not clear the researchers contracted COVID-19 in the lab strongly denied the report,
00:08:20.860calling it a lie to push the so-called lab leak theory for the disease origin scientists affiliated
00:08:26.240with the institute have previously said the institute did not come into contact with covet
00:08:30.80019 until december 30th the u.s had actually provided some of the funding for the study
00:08:35.460of the coronavirus and their transmission through bats which had made it to the wuhan institute of
00:08:41.140virology so we're going to pause it right there and uh and just kind of think about this for a
00:08:47.780moment i remember i was watching what was i watching the other day i think i was watching
00:08:51.780tucker right i mean we all love tucker at least i hope most of us love tucker uh and you know he's
00:08:57.280going on about gain gain theory and uh and and well and gain testing you know that that how how
00:09:04.320quickly a virus can spread how effective is a virus and i mean you know a lot of people have
00:09:09.340problems with fox news and that sort of thing but i i think i think what we got to be honest with
00:09:13.980here is that if this if this is what gets to be proven to be true we we did just suffer a pandemic
00:09:23.120that effectively was entirely preventable um people who were trained to build viruses to
00:09:29.160kill people why you why you're building viruses to kill people i don't know like it sounds like
00:09:33.260a kind of waste of time uh but fine the point is that you at least wouldn't want them to escape
00:09:39.520a lab having a virus escape a lab would be really really bad and further to that i don't know why
00:09:45.140you would be funding such virological if that's the way to or such virology uh when you you know
00:09:53.580with with your taxpayers dollars and then some of those taxpayers aren't going to pay those taxes
00:09:57.580again because they died so we're looking into it now we're seeing it now uh at least the mainstream
00:10:04.720is finally on side with this. I know that many people I'm sure that are viewing this at home
00:10:08.940are far more, far more, you know, comfortable with this idea because they thought about it a
00:10:15.640long time ago. And certainly, certainly I had some, I had some suspicions about the nature of
00:10:20.840the virus. And I did think that the virus came from not only from China and from Wuhan, but I
00:10:25.260did think it came from the lab. But we just, I didn't think we had the definitive evidence for
00:10:31.080But here we are. And not only that, we didn't just have the definitive evidence for it. We now have the definitive evidence that it's being paid for. It was bought and paid for by the U.S. government. And that's something to be said, something to be said.
00:14:12.660The point is that both those places are extremely small.
00:14:15.020So the chances of the person who was running for MLA
00:14:18.460and the person who was running for mayor
00:14:20.520could be the same person or pretty high.
00:14:22.720And let's imagine that the mayor did run for MLA,
00:14:24.760But the fact is, if there isn't a mayor, there isn't quorum.
00:14:27.980And so he has to sit as mayor or she has to sit as mayor for a few more months until they can elect a different mayor, because otherwise they won't have quorum.
00:14:36.160That obviously is not the case when it comes to Abbotsford, because I'm guessing they have at least eight or 10 or maybe 12 councillors.
00:14:42.780And that losing one guy who isn't the mayor is not going to affect quorum.
00:14:47.760But this is a real problem in some other parts of the province where they don't achieve quorum.
00:14:53.240They don't even have enough people in their village in order to stand for officer places.
00:14:57.960If you've ever been a part of a non-profit, you've experienced this as well.
00:15:01.500But we'll add this back to the stream and we'll just continue reading this story because this is kind of terrible.
00:15:09.040Resigning their local government post.
00:15:10.620On several occasions, such MLAs have attempted to keep their seat while forsaking their municipal salary.
00:15:17.460Bandman told the Abbotsford News that he didn't do so because he continued to do his councillor job.
00:15:21.840them and did attend nearly every council meeting while serving in both roles i like i get it
00:15:28.720i understand but this is an interesting ethical problem actually like i'll throw this to the
00:15:35.040comments i i know we don't i know we don't want the same person representing all of us all the
00:15:39.920time then we could just go back to absolute monarchy and not have and not have parliaments
00:15:44.000that being said i mean you know there are times where absolute monarchy sounds a lot smarter than
00:15:48.560what we're doing right now with our technocratic theocracy but that's a different debate for another
00:15:52.400time the point that i'm trying to draw here is that what what do you think do you think that
00:15:59.600it would be fair if you're rendering services i guess if you're rendering services or you're
00:16:03.280giving up your labor if you are if you're exchanging your labor for value right that's
00:16:07.120what work is then and you're putting in the time and you're going to the meetings right if you're
00:16:11.600doing all those things why don't you deserve a salary my answer would have been well you should
00:16:15.040should have resigned your seat within you know a week or two at most a month since since you got
00:16:19.780elected right so you transition somebody else into your role or at least give up all the papers and
00:16:24.580everything and give that to somebody else hand it off to a staffer whoever and the bureaucrat and
00:16:29.460then you get out of your municipal role and you go into your provincial role just like if you were in
00:16:33.320a provincial role and you were going to a federal role or vice versa it doesn't matter whether you
00:16:36.720were the prime minister of canada now you're the mayor of barry ontario like it doesn't matter
00:16:40.880you you give away what you had before and you move on right within within a reasonable amount
00:16:45.940of time maybe four months sounds like a reasonable amount of time but i don't know if anybody in the
00:16:50.820comment section here would prefer that no you know what if you got elected to uh you know i'm sure if
00:16:58.560you if you got elected you know or if you got elected to something or if somebody you know got
00:17:02.780elected to something you'd be fine with them drawing both salaries let me know how you feel
00:17:05.780about that so we're going to go back and kind of finish off this column here this article
00:17:09.860serving both roles in april mayor henry braun told the absurd news that banman had surprised
00:17:18.260the city by resigning because he initially indicated a desire to hold his seat through
00:17:21.920the year thereby saving us for the cost of holding a by-election banman told the current
00:17:26.420that he decided to resign his seat after learning more about the scope of his new job after some
00:17:30.760soul searching with colleagues and friends and everyone else i really believe that the citizens
00:17:34.120of avestrian deserve choose who they want sitting around the table that can dedicate 100 of their
00:17:39.560efforts to that job. He said that he'd been able to put that effort in a job
00:17:43.620while he served, but that his new MLA duties and the reconvening
00:17:47.760of the House meant this time would be stretched too thin. I think
00:17:51.560that's, I mean, it sounds like he learned his lesson, but it also
00:17:59.200this is kind of just a no-brainer. If you get elected to something else, you have to resign
00:18:03.480your post somewhere else. That's just how it is. I mean, it's a biblical principle.
00:18:07.280You can't serve two masters. You'll hate the one, love the other, blah, blah, blah. And it's a life principle. We don't believe in bigamy in this country. We don't believe in any of that. In fact, actually, if we could dig that up, I'm going to ask my producer over here if he can pull up the email we got the other day from our mutual friend, who shall go unmentioned, who was wanting us to get into this whole question of polygamy because there's a birth certificate situation in British Columbia where people are putting more than
00:18:37.280more than one well a couple of different things but the biggest thing is they're putting more
00:18:42.720they're trying to put more than one uh woman on a birth certificate uh which of course doesn't
00:18:48.740make sense because only two parents can give birth to a child right you have a father and you have a
00:18:54.480mother um because biologically that's how that works so in case anybody wants to anybody's worried
00:19:00.160you know especially sometimes i have left-wing people on here people from different walks of0.78
00:19:03.800life and whatever, where I stand on the biology question, I believe there are only two genders,
00:19:09.020I believe there are only two sexes, and that sex and gender are connected directly biologically.
00:19:13.840I do believe that, of course, I mean, I have questions about what it means to really be a man,
00:19:20.060I have questions in my life about how to meet challenges and be a proper provider to my beloved
00:19:24.880and to be a proper father to my future family, like, that is a kind of, not dysphoria, but it's0.51
00:19:31.500dissonance you're trying to be the right person you have this ideal out here and you are here
00:19:36.620over there and you've got a you've got to try and get from point a to point b you want to be the
00:19:40.300ideal man and and you aren't and you know you aren't and you have to wrestle with that and and
00:19:44.860i think this happens for women as well i think it's different for women because of the nature
00:19:48.540of their biology but i do believe women struggle with this as well so that i don't have a question
00:19:53.660about and i do believe that that struggle can get to the point where it is an outright psychological0.64
00:19:58.140uh you know issue and you have probably you have psychological damage because of it and mental
00:20:04.780mental illness develops but i don't believe i don't believe that it's all you know it's all
00:20:10.300the same that's nonsense of course not men and women are different and on your birth certificate
00:20:14.700obviously there has to be one person who gave the male gamete and one person who gave the female
00:20:21.500gamete or if you don't know who the other person is then you just list one of the parents that's it
00:20:27.420uh and of course mothers can i think choose not to put the father on the birth certificate
00:20:32.940in some cases the idea that you could put two women on the birth certificate seems a bit
00:20:39.420nonsensical because as far as i know uh children aren't lego pieces and they aren't born in parts
00:20:44.620and then you stick them together at the end and somehow they can gestate in two different
00:20:48.600uh is it uteruses or uteri i don't know but the point is they can't gestate in two different
00:20:54.180wombs uh and then be put together at the end after two women go into labor with the constituent parts
00:20:59.560of of said people so that's uh let's let's go to this article here again i the way you see it on
00:21:06.380the screen is different than how i see on the screen because i can't read it that small child
00:21:10.540in polyamorous family can have three parents canadian court rules um a canadian judge has
00:21:16.540ordered that all three adults in a polyamorous relationship should be registered as the parents
00:21:21.360of child they are raising. Justice Sandra Wilkinson of the British Columbia Supreme Court
00:21:26.500said that there was a gap in the law inside of the family's wish to have Olivia, Eliza,
00:21:32.380and Bill recognized as the parents of their two-year-old son.
00:21:38.820Ah, yeah, that doesn't work. You can't have two people. Well, you can't. Yeah, you can't have,
00:21:48.100i mean you you can't have one you can't have three people on your birth certificate because
00:21:52.420how could that work because one of those people did not do the biological things necessary which
00:21:58.660is to say to have intercourse which resulted in conception gestation and of course pregnancy and
00:22:04.900then the development of the child to the point of birth uh one of those people was not involved in
00:22:11.460that uh because by by the reality of things you can't you can't do that it just doesn't work that
00:22:18.500way so so we're going to try a different version of this story because uh the other one was giving
00:22:23.800us a bit of a giving us a bit of a yeah well i mean paywalls i mean not that we know anything
00:22:28.900about paywalls here at uh at yield yield standard we don't we don't do paywalls of the standard
00:22:37.060right we do we do because we have no everybody else i think that we're consulting today is all
00:22:42.860i mean we're we're fine referencing these other places because uh our taxes are paying for them
00:22:48.760because i'm pretty sure everybody but us takes some form of government subsidy except for you
00:22:53.400know if you're got a guy around your town that does the local minute mag thing right the crosswords
00:22:57.900on the back and some funny jokes inside and one little community story that guy's not getting
00:23:02.140paid by the government but everybody else is so that's uh that's kind of a problem um yeah
00:23:09.100pamela is making the point that's what a step parent is no i i have no problem let's be clear
00:23:13.380here i i actually i uh i want to be very clear here i'm adopted i'm adopted so i don't have
00:23:19.140biological parents in the sense that i don't the people i was raised by are not my biological
00:23:23.320parents i love them to death uh they are the world to me they're the only parents i've ever known
00:23:27.920and i don't have a problem with the idea of there being even mixed family in the sense of you you
00:23:34.280know maybe you are closer with your non-blood parental figure than you are with your biological
00:23:39.140ones funny story i know someone like that i know someone like that quite well uh so that's not a
00:23:44.300problem but but the issue that that's not what we're discussing here we're discussing the putting
00:23:50.080on of a third person onto uh onto your birth certificate so not not not to not replacing
00:23:57.080even one of them or or or acknowledging that hey this person who isn't my biological parent i want
00:24:02.760them on my birth certificate because hey i i feel connected to that person i've i've seen i've seen
00:24:08.360people try to do this and i acknowledge that and i think it's a beautiful thing for that step parent
00:24:13.080or that person who's come into their life to feel acknowledged in that way but you can't have two
00:24:18.840mommies and two daddies or a third a third parent that doesn't exist that doesn't that that's not
00:24:25.080real. And so we're going to go back to the Alaska news here.
00:24:29.220Okay, so the B.C. Supreme Court decision handed down April 23rd, but released
00:24:33.080on Monday, describes three adults, Olivia, Liza, and Bill,
00:24:37.020whose names were anonymized by the court, living together in a
00:24:41.140committed polyamorous relationship since 2017. Okay.
00:24:45.440That sounds like bigamy to me, and it sounds like a terrible time, and
00:24:48.840I don't want my daughter to ever be in a polyamorous relationship, but
00:25:21.960very serious parental figure in that person's life sure but we're not in a polyamorous relationship
00:25:27.680obviously in naming themselves a triad the three adults describe themselves as having an equal
00:25:33.440relationship with one another and the child olivia went as far as inducing lactation so she would
00:25:41.300also be able to feed clark when he was born wrote madam justice sandra wilkinson referring to the0.86
00:25:47.900animized child. In fact, Olivia was the first0.98
00:25:51.980parent to feed Clark after he was born. All three were open with their
00:25:55.900families about their polyamorous relationship and went on several
00:25:59.720vacations together as a family unit after the boy was born over two years ago.
00:26:04.520That openness, however, didn't always transfer into the workplace
00:26:08.000out of fear of reprisal and discrimination, wrote the Justice.
00:26:11.600We're going to stop right there for a moment and we're just going to think
00:26:15.740about this a little bit uh and i don't think that works on a lot of counts but i'm a step
00:26:27.600parent to three and i'm not on any of the various certificates and that's fine again no argument
00:26:31.900here zero argument here i want to be clear that we're talking about trying to shoehorn in the idea
00:26:38.700that a third fourth or fifth person in in a romantic polyamorous relationship is is somehow
00:26:47.960can somehow be put on a birth certificate as if they also bore the child into the world that's
00:26:55.480that's the difference here that's that's what doesn't make sense and and let's let's just kind
00:27:02.280think about this for a moment really like let's just think about this i
00:27:08.440as if as if this wasn't a disturbing enough story on several counts there's a there's a
00:27:13.080there's a serious sadness there of i don't know what kind of injections or hormones you have to
00:27:17.960take in order to induce lactation um and obviously for perhaps for women who are having trouble
00:27:23.400breastfeeding etc that's a that's a valid form of of medication and treatment uh but obviously if
00:27:30.760your body hasn't gone through the stages of pregnancy and therefore begun to lactate because
00:27:36.520of course you've just had a child or having a child very soon if your body isn't going through
00:27:41.800those stages and you force your body through the stages i can't imagine that being good for you
00:27:47.880and finally something that kind of comes into mind here is one of the things that that really
00:27:53.080changed not just through the story of christianity though we can get into the monogamy question and
00:27:58.440christianity in a little bit here but more more importantly one of the things that uh
00:28:05.320uh one of the things and yeah no pamela i acknowledge that i think that's i think you're
00:28:09.160right there the operative word is definitely birth i completely agree the one of the things
00:28:14.120that needs to be kind of understood here is that we got rid of there being just kind of a service
00:28:19.320class that was this intimate right like having wet nurses like we got rid of that we stopped that
00:28:25.960It still happens in some parts of the world, but there's still kind of cultural reasons for it, right? There's cultural reasons for it. And we don't have the same cultural reasons for that anymore. We do have kind of means of exchange. So there are women who cannot produce breast milk, and they purchase it from other women. And perhaps there are women who even donate such things.
00:28:48.980Of course, we also have formula nowadays. So all of that sort of question, the biology of birth and lactation and motherhood and, of course, feeding the baby, all the pieces of that, like that all has interchangeable parts in a lot of ways.
00:29:03.600But the fundamental issue here is that, like, we're not even talking about, well, I am, you know, some local sheik or something, and I have many, many women in my harem, and they're at different stages of having children anyways, so the one who doesn't have any children, who is not lactating anymore, I mean, or the one who just has trouble, you know, producing breast milk, now I just pass that baby off to the one who is always overly abundant in that area.
00:29:30.020that's i mean there's a cultural reason for the way that happens and i'm not saying that that's0.71
00:29:35.200okay either i'm not a bigamist i'm not i don't think polygamy is okay and i think that canada
00:29:40.100should do everything for the dignity of women absolutely there is such a thing as um as andropoly
00:29:47.700or whatever that's paul that's polyamory of bizarrely men there uh being multiple men uh for
00:29:53.460one woman instead of multiple women for one man i want to say i want to go that this is for both
00:29:57.800sides men and women it should be one you know one one man one woman uh that's what i believe in
00:30:06.680and and anything else other than that will be a denigration of the relationship i really believe
00:30:12.360that i believe that that will undermine the dignity of the other human being um and men
00:30:18.520are going to make certain comparisons between each other that i mean we don't have to discuss
00:30:22.040that on this show but women also make certain comparisons between each other and i think if we
00:30:25.640we went and asked women what they really thought of being in polyamorous relationships, and it's
00:30:30.220the same with men, and how they feel treated, and how they feel, do they feel properly loved?
00:30:34.780I think they'd be honest with us and tell us, no, I wish I had exclusivity. And I think anybody who
00:30:39.220lives monogamy, as hard as monogamy can be, and as difficult as marriage is, I think they wouldn't
00:30:45.400trade the exclusivity for anything in the world. And I hope not to trade it myself. I am looking
00:30:51.760forward to being married. I'm looking forward to being exclusive with my future wife. The point
00:30:57.020being that how does injecting yourself with hormones in order to lactate make sense as a
00:31:04.940parental role thing if the child's not even biologically related to you and you're doing
00:31:11.820this to kind of essentially pretend to be the mother of the child. It's not a, oh, I had to
00:31:17.400assume this role because your mother died or I had to do this out of some kind of other necessity
00:31:22.580it's like no this is a lifestyle choice in order for me to essentially act up the idea of being
00:31:29.560your mother as if I carried you for the last I think it's nine solar months 10 lunar months right
00:31:36.12040 weeks um you can that's that at that point at that point it's just like fur babies and everything
00:31:44.660else that kind of comes bizarre out of out of I don't want to call them left wing just people
00:31:49.120who assume that life is perfectly normal the way it's going um which it isn't it's not normal at
00:31:54.060all it's not normal to to have polyamorous relationships it's not normal for people to
00:32:00.320not want children uh it's not normal for life to be too expensive to have children it's not normal
00:32:05.520to live in a world where people don't look twice at you if you're doing something that isn't
00:32:10.180normative. That's not normal. It's abnormal, right? And what I guess I just can't quite swallow here
00:32:18.340is that if you're not the mother of the child, and yet you're pretending to be the mother and child
00:32:24.460to the point where you are literally injecting yourself with something in order to, or taking
00:32:29.700a medication in order to feed the child non-naturally occurring breast milk, I kind of
00:32:36.480have to sit there and think to myself like I think you're a little deluded I think that you've lost
00:32:42.420your grip on reality and that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that there isn't a place for people
00:32:48.660to help other people who are capable of producing breast milk and whatever else that's not they're
00:32:53.500not debating that we're saying that you're in this relationship you know that this relationship is
00:32:58.420a man and two women and a man having his choice between them as as he wills and that's that and
00:33:06.140And, and the same as it would be for a woman with two men, a choice between them as she
00:42:14.900Over the past week, we've repeatedly seen the RCMP shift the goalposts on how it plans to allow journalists access in order to cover this important public interest story.
00:42:24.520Every day is a new day with new excuses from the RCMP about why access is limited, enough is enough.
00:42:31.240And that was from Brent Jolly, the CAJ president.
00:42:36.860The RCMP have been using broad exclusion zones to interfere with members of the media for at least eight years across multiple provinces.
00:42:44.120Legal precedent in the RCMP's own oversight body
00:42:46.420say doing so is beyond the authority of the force,
00:43:10.340uh it what happens is what what happened was they they controlled the media to the point where
00:43:18.980uh it was just you were just in this little tent basically you're in this little tent
00:43:25.200uh and you were stuck in that little tent and uh
00:43:30.500i just need to double check uh this actually um could you make sure that we've sent the link right
00:43:39.760yeah okay just double checking so they had this control opposition basically thing happened with
00:43:45.620the media so they were in this little tent like this little tent city basically right they were
00:43:49.560in all these little palisades or whatever those are called uh not palisades that's uh that's the
00:43:54.660thing around around a fort uh pavilion is the word i was looking for uh they're in these little
00:43:59.880pavilions but there's like this perfect wire mesh fencing right that's been kind of almost driven
00:44:03.860into the ground into the asphalt and they see the president united states go in they see the
00:44:07.240president united states and of course they're shouting at the president they'd like to talk to
00:44:10.500they don't get to see any of the rallies it's all live stream to them out there on screens they don't
00:44:15.960get to be in a press gallery inside of the uh the florida rally uh for the president and it's and
00:44:21.680like this kind of control and a lot of they had a lot of police around to make sure that they
00:44:26.820couldn't go anywhere look i respect our our friends in uniform i really do um
00:44:32.340and uh what's uh what i want what i want to be clear about is i don't think that the rcmp
00:44:38.880like the average member at rcm rcmp i don't i don't think the average constable or the average
00:44:46.180our average corporal or sergeant it walks around thinking to themselves how do i you know intimidate
00:44:51.780the press today i don't think they do that that being said i think the press doesn't earn any
00:44:55.980points when it does go after RCMP for things like say wearing their carbine during July 1st as they
00:45:02.940walk through the local park because that happened here in Prince George. I remember a local RCMP
00:45:08.980officer getting quite upset and writing a letter. I didn't expect it to be published. He just wrote
00:45:14.020it to the editor trying to correct the record and basically be like look like it's a lot easier for
00:45:19.460me to take out somebody who is trying to hurt other people by using my carbine than it is to
00:45:25.100use my sidearm you know a pistol is a lot harder to maneuver is a lot less accurate at distance
00:45:30.960at range than a carbine is right then the c i think that would be the c8 because the c7 is
00:45:36.920the full length rifle the c8 is the uh the shorter carbine but the point is that he published that
00:45:43.880letter the local editor here and that was pretty funny it was a bit of a back and forth inside the
00:45:47.220detachment over whether or not he should have written that letter but this is the point so
00:45:51.200The journalists do themselves no favor by questioning the RCMP on the methods that they have at their disposal in order to do their best to keep us safe.
00:46:04.600That's something their higher-ups told them to do.
00:46:06.720The flip side of the equation is that the RCMP and all police throughout the world do have a legacy of trying to interfere with the media because they don't like bad press.
00:46:18.660And so there's just people acting in their interest.
00:46:20.620But in this respect, the Ferry Creek question is something that ought to be actually investigated pretty well, because there's some serious debase to be had.
00:46:31.200I'm a First Nations person. We've talked about this on the show. I'm a First Nations person. I have a status card. I'm an Indian.
00:46:37.880And I hold very particular views about economic development. I'm very pro-development.
00:46:43.460very pro uh the ownership of development being uh for the aboriginal group that's developing it and
00:46:49.700therefore then they can finally have that wealth and then that wealth can help their people and
00:46:53.380then their people can be out of poverty that's a beautiful thing i want my brothers and sisters0.99
00:46:57.540out of poverty the issue here is that the irony of course is that there's a lot of aboriginal workers
00:47:02.900here and then they're being protested against by non-aboriginals and and there's this weird kind of0.95
00:47:08.580double whammy of reverse racism and everything else where non-aboriginals are telling telling0.52
00:47:15.140aboriginals how to be an aboriginal and that they haven't they've disowned their heritage by cutting0.94
00:47:20.260down uh the trees and and making logs of them of course i mean again we're about that stuart parker
00:47:27.220on he's going to have some some some takes for us when it comes to that question and other things
00:47:32.340uh i i love trees too i just love them differently the point though is that i think when it comes to
00:47:40.140the question of press access we can't have real discussions about this issue if the press doesn't
00:47:44.560have access to it and so we need to be honest about that we need the press to have access to
00:47:49.180things i'm i'm a i'm a stay-at-home journalist i don't i don't go out into the field either i would
00:47:55.220like to go out into the field a bit more i think as things develop we're still getting a feel for
00:47:59.340this show we're still just getting our feet wet this is episode 24 i believe so that's eight weeks
00:48:05.200that we've been on the air uh we're very young we have and i've as i've said many times any
00:48:09.940suggestions that you guys have we'd appreciate it uh so that we can do the best job we can for you
00:48:14.960we're actually going to be moving the studio this weekend so that's going to be a whole thing um
00:48:19.400hopefully where we broadcast from next uh has the same quality uh that we've had here so hopefully
00:48:25.860that all turns out well but do be patient with us next week because we might have there might be
00:48:30.420some technical difficulties as we work out some of the bugs we'll do our best to do some test
00:48:34.140broadcast beforehand so that we don't have any problems but uh no and that is uh that is a good
00:48:40.260suggestion there pamela uh clarence louis of the asoyos band has a lot of common sense we should
00:48:44.780we should reach out to him we should make a note of that and so here we are uh with the question
00:48:51.560of the press and the press needs access to things and uh we're just going to double check that
00:48:57.960everything's good to go um and and the press needs access to things and you can't bar them
00:49:06.400from things otherwise otherwise the people don't have their eyes and ears to know what the
00:49:10.560government is doing and to know what authorities are doing and quite possibly quite possibly
00:49:15.180leading to to uh abuse that's apparently and we're going to pivot to one last thing before we leave
00:49:23.360here we're going to we're leave we're not leaving we're just going on to our guests which is stewart
00:49:27.480parker this week rose west had something interesting to say this week rose west has become a
00:49:32.200recent uh commenter of mine uh sounds like they want you to diversify to be more like them hence
00:49:38.400vote like them uh that's in reference to what what's being changed around here when it comes
00:49:42.600to infrastructure and the parks and stuff like that i i want to i want to be careful here because
00:49:47.560i think there's a right-wing way and a conservative way to like parks okay i don't think parks are
00:49:52.660just liberal ideas it's like saying libraries are liberal ideas okay uh libraries parks uh civil
00:49:59.380civil uh services that are are are leisure based if there's a difference between a conservative
00:50:05.460and a libertarian for that matter it is that the libertarian is always nattering away at something
00:50:10.800and doesn't believe in leisure being a common good you get to go do that in your backyard but
00:50:15.400the idea that anybody else might pay for your leisure uh is nonsense um that's that is a problem
00:50:22.560i mean we conservatives believe in leisure and we believe that you know other people not that
00:50:27.520other people pay for it but if we we all contribute to the pile right like i get leisure from walking
00:50:33.080down my sidewalk well we all paid for that sidewalk right that's part of the common good
00:50:37.560It's the same with riding in a, you know, the bike lanes don't need to be where bike lanes don't need to be. But bike paths in general, who doesn't love doing that with their kids? They want to go on a little bike ride. Who doesn't love going four wheeling somewhere in the back in the backwoods? Well, who's maintaining those? Who's maintaining the cabin where you're headed to? That's being maintained voluntarily by other backwoods people. That's good. You know, that's good. But that's exactly it.
00:51:06.720it's it's common ground it's the and this is the thing it's the tragedy of the commons too
00:51:12.800you submit for something you pay you pay money for something and somebody else ruins it and that
00:51:17.520makes you feel very offended very betrayed and that hurts well exactly so this is why we have
00:51:23.040police this is why we have all sorts of rules and regulations around how to treat things and what
00:51:28.000happens if you abuse things but the best society is a voluntary society and that includes voluntarily
00:51:35.200doing things that you might not see all the benefit of,
00:56:05.080And I don't think that this has anything to do with the vaccine, the experimental jab or anything else.
00:56:11.220I don't think it has anything to do with the case numbers.
00:56:13.180I think at this point, one, I think a lot of the actions that were taken by all governments last year, let alone these two governments, the Canadian and the American one, was in order to oust Donald Trump from the presidency.
00:56:24.820And that's been achieved by hook, by crook, and by a lot of weird, weird voting patterns that have never been seen before.
00:56:33.000Uh, but the bigger thing for me is that in, uh, and what's gone here, uh, gone on here with the
00:56:41.700border, uh, the border has to reopen because people have to get across it and we can't have,
00:56:46.500we can't have a closed border or else your economy is just going to suddenly fall apart.
00:56:50.760I was a part of this last year. Last year, I was in an industry that was in tourism.
00:56:56.500Uh, I was in a tourism, uh, job last year after I got laid off from COVID. I went up into Churchill,
00:57:02.480manitoba and i was a guide up there and uh showing people polar bears and belugas and that sort of
00:57:07.600stuff and 90 of our traffic is usually american 95 of our traffic is usually american they all come
00:57:14.560up from the states they go through big touring countries that do adventure tourism and they get
00:57:18.480shown the belugas in the summer and some bears if there's bears around and then into the uh early
00:57:22.960fall winter early winter we're into we're into bear season and you see bears wandering around
00:57:28.800on the ice it's really cute little cute bears and everything else that's pam it's totally okay i
00:57:35.680shouldn't have called you out like that i'm sorry that was there's no need to no need to castigate
00:57:40.160anyone i i made a lot of mistakes earlier so i not only do i forgive you i i apologize because
00:57:45.600there's no need to it wasn't like you were claiming something you know you weren't talking
00:57:50.240about space aliens or something like and even so like i mean this is a free expression show if you
00:57:54.160want to talk about that stuff go ahead i might i might i might pick on you but you know it's your
00:58:00.480comments you go ahead but again i'm sorry pan uh the point being that no here we are uh with the
00:58:07.360u.s border still closed uh and the canadian border still closed and i think that what's going to
00:58:11.840happen is we're not going to uh we're not going to continue down this road very long because people
00:58:20.800because people just can't stand it anymore but also because the authorities understand that
00:58:23.840that we're kind of we're kind of stuck. We're kind of done with the pro forma, you can only
00:58:29.180put people through a war so many times, you can only put them through the crisis of the bombs
00:58:33.840falling from the sky so many times people have about, depending on where you're counting from a
00:58:37.740three, you know, to six to 10 to, you know, 15 or 18 month time limit on how long they can deal
00:58:47.320with stuff like this. And we're going to be at 20-ish months when we, if we do fully open up
00:58:54.540in September, we will have gone through a 20-month period of various curtailments of civil liberties
00:59:00.360and some serious issues to our economy. And that's probably about as much gas as anybody has in the
00:59:06.620tank to survive. Not saying like even economically, I just mean like the mental capacity, even your
00:59:13.560healthiest people, 20 months is a long time. There are many wars that were longer than that. But
00:59:19.240unlike that, where there was real developments, both positive and negative, this has been mostly
00:59:24.460just a negative journey with a lot of civil liberties destroyed. So that's, yeah, Carol
00:59:31.700Gallant puts a point. It's been 15 months, longest pandemic ever. Yeah. And I'm just kind of counting
00:59:36.540out towards September there in the late fall. And this is the question. This is the question.
00:59:42.000When is this all going to come together? I don't know. I'm going to just make sure that our guest is on deck. Ready for you. See if he's able to get here. And as I kind of play myself out here in this section, I think that, again, coming back to the central point that was made at the beginning here, I am cautiously optimistic.
01:00:10.340But it's not because I somehow think that we've cured COVID or there never was COVID or we, you know, there's everybody suddenly our friend again or our authorities have woken up and realized how wrong they were.
01:00:34.520And the thing that we need to remember is that absolute power doesn't just corrupt absolutely, but deeper than that, we have a kind of government that, I think we should remember this.
01:00:59.360i think we should remember it this way the first world war started at a precise moment in time and
01:01:06.560it started a precise moment in time and space because that's when the train schedules ran best
01:01:12.320okay so train schedules determined that the beginning of world war one wasn't a shot being
01:01:18.240fired on either side there of course was the assassination of archduke ferdinand but the there
01:01:22.960was there was a a moment where the war had to begin and the way they picked that moment wasn't
01:01:28.960even well i mean this is a good time to go to war because it's summer or whatever or this is a good
01:01:33.360time to go to war because that's what god is telling us to do it's like no we are going to
01:01:38.320war on this time this place this world right now because this is the train schedule that's when we
01:01:44.400can get all the soldiers loaded in the train and ship them to the front and quickly invade as for
01:01:49.360for germany going into france quickly invade uh france that's that we're going to do the schlieffen
01:01:54.800plan and so the schlieffen plan was put all the soldiers onto the border and then march them
01:01:58.640them across the border and take over France as quickly as possible. And that was determined by
01:02:05.240none other than the train schedule. So that's where it all started, right? And we need to be
01:02:14.040honest out there. Our guest is having some technical difficulties on this side. So I'm
01:02:20.620going to continue discussing this question of technocracy. I really like coming back to the
01:02:24.720question of technocracy because i really believe that it is actually the fundamental point of
01:02:29.760everything right now it's technocracy now what is technocracy technocracy is is what we live in right
01:02:36.680now and it's it's everything from them losing your duplicate form right for the third time it's it's
01:02:42.140everything from they can't find that form they can't find uh you can't the printer's down and
01:02:48.020all of a sudden that means the government grinds to a halt well we can't print off any more forms
01:02:51.840for you to fill out it's like well i have my id here don't you just have a piece of paper i could
01:02:55.920sign and deal with that um and that's and that's what we can do but in any case uh that's enough
01:03:01.360of me ranting about technocracy and everything else we're gonna bring stewart parker on here
01:03:05.680live uh he's coming to us from i'm trying to remember where exactly but uh he's gonna tell
01:03:11.140us i'm sure uh hey you're you're you're at a you're at a hotel sorry about i'm sorry about
01:03:18.020this nathan i am i'm still fixing my computer problems so i'm joining you from my phone so
01:03:25.100apologies for the low sound and light quality here i'm going to try and get the actual proper
01:03:32.020machine working uh imminently i understand anyway i um i had to make a business trip down to
01:03:41.360vancouver so um you're um you're reaching me in the um sylvia hotel uh next to stanley park
01:03:49.540oh well and we were just talking about parks you know one of my favorite hotels right there
01:03:54.680steward is the english bay hotel uh because the english bay hotel let you rent an entire
01:03:59.760apartment's worth of space for 150 a night it's really nice uh right next to the cactus club and
01:04:05.860you and all your friends can go to the cactus club after you're graduated maybe have a little
01:04:10.120bit too much and then everybody can fall asleep in the apartment uh hotel that is a pretty sweet
01:04:17.700deal the sylvia similarly is shockingly affordable for no apparent reason so i guess vancouver
01:04:24.820finally has a hotel glut i guess airbnb does ruin everything speaking of of airbnb and uh the slow
01:04:32.520descent of late capitalism into complete insanity uh what what what do you think of our new reopenings
01:04:39.660and everything else. I'm sure that the loosening of restrictions has brought warm the coddles of
01:04:44.340your heart. Why not be a little more careful? Supposedly, we'll all be double vaccinated in
01:04:55.720three months. What's the hurry? I think there was an epidemiologist who referred to Dr. Henry's
01:05:02.540policies as the kill half the mice in the apartment plan and i think that's that's basically
01:05:12.140it i was doing some sort of back of the napkin math uh yesterday we have quadrupled the death
01:05:18.540rate of nova scotia and new brunswick um and even uh even higher comparison to uh newfoundland and
01:05:28.140PEI. All in all, that adds up to 1,200 extra corpses in the past year, which is, I would
01:05:42.680argue, not an insignificant number. This is not just about preventing people from having
01:05:51.780a bad time uh there's something like this lives really are at stake and we're making decisions
01:06:00.820about how many of our neighbors should die i think that people often um often want to complicate
01:06:08.760things beyond that because it's distasteful to say how many of my neighbors should i kill
01:06:15.840to make sure that the Cactus Club doesn't go bankrupt?
01:06:23.380How many of my neighbors should I kill
01:06:25.800to make sure the Ramada doesn't close?
01:09:09.640Now, the thing is, you know, people go, well, why is this producing different policies in B.C.?
01:09:17.640And the simple answer is that it is that we are a heavily, heavily indebted province.
01:09:28.480And if you look at the sectors of the economy that are consistently reopened at a cost of human life, they're the sectors in which people are making monthly payments, not yearly payments.
01:09:46.560And sectors where there's a seasonal productive period that you have to hit.
01:09:53.820And so the hospitality sector is not like other provinces, especially in greater Vancouver, because you have crippling commercial property taxes and you have very significant levels of debt, mortgages and the like, and the banks aren't going to give you three months.
01:10:20.980You look at a place like Nova Scotia and you see that although it too relies on tourism, you see nothing like the level of consumer debt, nothing like the level of monthly business property taxes that you have to ante up if you're operating on Robson Street or at Metrotown or something.
01:10:42.920Now, I believe I've got my machine working here,
01:10:46.240so I'm going to try and enter the studio again as a different version of me.
01:15:16.640So they did actually pull people over the first weekend that they had the no non-essential travel between health regions.
01:15:29.800And it's quite funny if you read the reports about it because it's the police having to coach people to use the word essential because they keep asking, like, well, why are you going?
01:15:42.500and if you look up the definition of essential travel it is to do anything for work or as a
01:15:52.480volunteer so the fact that i'm going to get my institute's bank account straightened out because
01:16:00.420i can't do it from prince george um that vastly exceeds these standards uh for essential travel
01:16:10.040under the order a lawyer friend of mine put it this way he said i would really struggle to see
01:16:17.080how someone could violate this order ah that that essentially as long as you remember that word
01:16:24.840essential it is impossible to violate the order so i think that um of course these orders do have
01:16:35.000an effect they do reduce travel um but they reduce travel on a voluntary compliance basis
01:16:44.920and the focus of the provincial health officer is to communicate with british colombians which
01:16:52.280should also tell you something important so if you are a tourist from out of province
01:16:59.320you will have heard nothing about the essential travel order your hotel reservation won't have
01:17:05.320been cancelled your bus ticket won't have been cancelled and your hotel won't have notified you
01:17:12.280that there's an essential travel order in effect so on the one hand lifting the restrictions uh
01:17:19.160probably will uh kill some more people um but on the other hand really what restrictions
01:17:27.400it's more lifting the fiction of restrictions will kill people because people respond not just
01:17:34.200to fact but to fiction when the government is the one slinging it no it's true it's true you're back
01:17:43.000in your hometown of vancouver uh obviously it's a little bit it's a little bit different than
01:17:48.280the place you grew up in why don't you tell us a little bit about what how how the place was
01:17:53.480when you were there uh in your youth and how it is now and and maybe some disappointment that
01:17:58.520happened well um i mean i think a lot of people uh have had the experience it was funny i was um
01:18:08.360uh i went down with uh my inventor friend who uh um needed to test again vastly exceeding the
01:18:18.600essential criterion um my uh my friend art uh former city counselor and physicist uh built a
01:18:28.360charging adapter for really old electric vehicles because you try and plug the new electric vehicles
01:18:36.840if you try and plug old electric vehicles into the new charging stations um they overheat the
01:18:42.040battery and the vehicle shuts down for the day so you have to like be very judicious and plug
01:18:47.960and unplug and incompletely charge your vehicle and all this nonsense so art built a little adapter
01:18:54.200so that he could charge his terrible terrible car so um in our 14 and a half hour drive to vancouver
01:19:04.440where i got to discover all of these strange strange places bc hydro thinks they should put
01:19:10.360a charging station um during that drive uh folks uh i ran into folks um who were talking about this
01:19:20.040very thing that in fact now if you talk to vancouverites even if they haven't left vancouver
01:19:26.520there is this incredible consensus that the city is getting worse um and of course the affordability
01:19:35.640crisis sits at the heart of all this that you have a situation where people often talk about
01:19:44.200real estate speculation there is no such thing as real estate speculation in vancouver
01:19:50.680real estate in vancouver is as close to a sure thing as anything you can possibly imagine
01:19:59.240the chances that if you buy a piece of property in vancouver and hold on to it
01:20:06.600for two years there's a 100 chance that you will make money so there is no real estate speculation
01:20:13.960there is simply buying real estate in vancouver is like purchasing um a um is like purchasing
01:20:23.720securities right or you know it's actually more secure than purchasing securities stocks can go
01:20:29.960down this is like buying a guaranteed income certificate but with eight times the interest rate
01:20:37.240so if you can get into the market if you have that sort of million dollar minimum if once you've
01:20:46.520cleared that um why wouldn't you use vancouver real estate instead of a bank there's absolutely
01:20:55.480no reason not to do that and this means that vancouverites are divided into two groups
01:21:04.440the rich and people who think living in vancouver is way too important um now if
01:30:52.820But I do think that there are parts of the country that where people do, through accidents of economics and through some community spirit, avoid that track.
01:31:09.280But I find it really curious that the very kinds of people and the very ways of living that actually made the Vancouver I grew up in possible are associated in the minds of the people in charge with the city's failure.0.84
01:31:33.040They think that the city will succeed when we have pushed out, you know, single income families living in trailers who draw hopscotch boards on the road, who play street hockey, things like this.
01:31:50.320I think people really, I think that because we've so commodified culture, that people think that if you're not investing in, you know, those annoying rectangular glasses everybody in Vancouver seems to wear, then you failed to show this material marker of being part of a dynamic cosmopolitan place.
01:32:18.280so anyway here i am i went to where i scattered my grandmother's ashes yesterday that was really
01:32:24.900nice she loved stanley park and they've still failed to ruin it although a lot of people are
01:32:31.240lighting their hair on fire over the bike lane there again classic
01:32:36.320maybe maybe something else to kind of think about a little bit here is that i mean i remember i
01:32:44.280wasn't even there that long either. It was about 10 years ago, probably at the height of my
01:32:49.320university career, which was about halfway through, but that was the height of it socially.
01:32:54.760I remember being able to drive into Vancouver from Langley in a reasonable amount of time.
01:33:02.560Only a few years later, and that was after the highway expansions, I literally wouldn't
01:33:07.860attempt to get into vancouver outside of before before 6 a.m or after 11 and before three so now
01:33:17.920i i get up in prince george and and start driving before 5 a.m to be there in time to admit the
01:33:25.260midday uh lax that there's no no traffic on the road things have gotten completely out of control
01:33:32.200on that count but but further to that to your point of commodifying lifestyle i mean you did
01:33:37.800you did you did a course on the nature of trailer park boys and what it meant for canadian identity
01:33:43.720and that sort of thing like is that basically a dichotomy we're seeing here there's like authentic
01:33:48.440communities that are kind of basically being displaced because of because of the cost and then
01:33:54.600the only way the only way back into the higher echelons to kind of sell your soul into into
01:33:59.880the cost of things well first of all i just just want to uh uh hit that traffic note because of
01:34:07.240course you know we came in on the expanding highway and it's really so what happened of
01:34:15.160course is what's called induced demand that if you don't change another variable increasing the
01:34:21.960amount of pavement is a stop gap even with no population increase the mathematical properties
01:34:29.640of how traffic works produces this induced demand. Until you build so much pavement, you're like
01:34:37.480Houston, Texas, where there are like ring roads around bypasses around ring roads, you're always
01:34:45.720adding pavement doesn't produce any medium or long-term effect. It only produces a short-term
01:34:54.440resolution and urban planners in london figured this out in 1830 like they were giving papers at
01:35:02.840the royal society by 1840 about the principle of induced demand and it's proven right every single
01:35:12.360time houston really being the only outlying case because they just were willing to throw
01:35:17.960an infinite amount of pavement at the problem. Interestingly, provincial governments see Vancouverites
01:35:27.800angry with their traffic. And for very good reasons, Vancouverites blame their municipal
01:35:38.120government. They don't blame the province. They don't blame the feds. They always blame
01:35:42.920municipal government. And Vancouver city council does all of these weird symbolic traffic things
01:35:52.200where they like turn point gray road into a private driveway for the super rich or they
01:35:57.800build a really visible bike lane that screws up bus stops or whatever it is. But the decisions
01:36:03.880are not huge decisions. But they're willing to take the profile of appearing anti-car.
01:36:12.280and what this does is it creates reelection opportunities for provincial and federal
01:36:18.760governments because people are angry it's congested and if the province or feds add a new lane to the
01:36:26.040freeway there's an immediate relief it will take like two years for that thing to fill up and so
01:36:33.160there's an immediate sense of relief and people reward you at the polls i remember last year
01:36:39.960driving out of Vancouver and saying to my partner,
01:36:43.220I can't believe the NDP is widening this freeway between Langley and Abbotsford.
01:36:50.880No one in Langley and Abbotsford will ever vote for them.
01:47:50.420And once they were on social assistance,
01:47:53.200they had no choice but to move back home and there was this sense of like so the community
01:48:03.840helped them and reconciled with them but there was a sense that these people had
01:48:13.160taken out of the system irreplaceable resources and it was going to take a while for people to
01:48:19.740forgive them and i think that we we only use the unit of the individual um in um in uh when when
01:48:33.920we think about how the economy affects people but once you know you start looking at the shared0.99
01:48:41.420experience of that community one can see that poor people are no more economically rational no less0.97
01:48:50.540economically rational in general it's just that strategies really shift and it's one of the other0.71
01:49:00.540reasons that you want a mixed income community because there is a centripetal force pulling
01:49:07.500people together. And when you have a community composed entirely of people going, I'm all right,0.61
01:49:15.900Jack, if you deprive a community of any materiality to its relations with each other, people don't
01:49:25.100hold together so well. Bonds of loyalty, bonds of reciprocity, not all communities foster
01:49:39.460them equally. And I think that's, of course, what you see in Vancouver. You see a community
01:49:46.780that is turning away from reciprocity. It's great if you want no one to talk to you on
01:49:51.620the street. I grew up in Vancouver, so I'm always freaked out when people talk to me
01:49:56.480on the street. But this is a city where if privacy is the main thing you want in life,
01:50:04.300you found Mecca. This is your home. But if one wants friends who are diverse, if one
01:50:15.940wants communities that stick together then you come here and this place always feels like a
01:50:23.860little bit more of a tragedy every year i think that's i think that's a very fair assessment it's
01:50:29.940it's it's a very interesting way of putting some of the values i found in my own life
01:50:35.380uh because i wasn't raised working class but but because of the economic realities that we live in
01:50:41.620in i i became part of the precariat and the underclass um by by by class status not not
01:50:49.640necessarily by a lot of other measures but by at least economic status and and some of my
01:50:54.560relationships developed there and it's funny the way that you articulated that because i'm thinking
01:50:58.400of the scenes in trailer park boys where you say well you're going to leave the park you're going
01:51:03.280to leave the park like he's talking about leaving the park and so he's going to leave behind this
01:51:07.960world they even build a fort around it at one point they put gates on it right they have they
01:51:12.680have the spot where they're going to grow all of their bud and they and they have uh it protected
01:51:16.440by a palisade like it there's this beautiful picture of of the solidarity of the underclass
01:51:24.360yeah and i think not everybody in the underclass you know there are plenty of jerks everywhere
01:51:30.520uh you know we don't want to romanticize a class solely on that basis but i do think that um
01:51:37.960there is this funny exchange where your financial precarity brings you into a world where
01:51:46.080your associations with other people um are intensified by the materiality of things
01:51:56.360i mean the park also of course has to spend a lot of money on drugs um but uh they're really only
01:52:06.460like two things that are beyond the pale in Trailer Park Boys, cocaine and weightlifting.
01:52:18.460And it's interesting that these are like the two most transgressive behaviors.
01:52:24.620But they're put in this dichotomy. The total condemnation of weightlifting
01:52:30.920is about prison, because there are two activities. There is hockey, and there's weightlifting.
01:52:40.880And one is a pro-social activity, and one is an anti-social activity. And, you know,
01:52:48.560I don't think anyone needs to go into the explanation about cocaine. So, again, there's
01:52:55.100just this sharp weed is good, cocaine is bad, one is pro-social, one is anti-social. And what I
01:53:01.880really enjoyed about the course, which is available on Los Altos Institute's podcast channel,
01:53:09.440all 13 episodes of the course you can download. But the show tells really moral lessons in a very,
01:53:21.300very didactic way. And it's surprising. It's surprising that because it's a comedy and people
01:53:31.840are breaking the law, that no one watches it with that lens. They will come away valuing certain
01:53:39.960things more, but they don't see the show as didactic. I would argue that the first five
01:53:46.540seasons of trailer park boys are the closest thing we have to a modern parable in canada
01:53:52.940there are these very simple stories they pivot on a moment of grace but of course that's the
01:54:00.060other reason they're hard to recognize we live in a society that doesn't see grace it and it doesn't
01:54:10.620see the difference between um and so ricky as a character doesn't make sense to them right ricky
01:54:24.140is a liar ricky is a drunk ricky's selfish and what makes him special is that there are these
01:54:33.020transcendent moments of grace that manifest in his behavior where he'll make some extraordinary0.85
01:54:39.660sacrifice like kissing Mr. Leahy's ass so that his daughter can have encyclopedias.
01:54:48.460The kiss of freedom, episode one, season three, is I would say the closest thing to be able to take
01:54:56.620Augustine's city of God and jam it into a 22-minute sitcom. It's incredible. And so if one doesn't
01:55:07.740have that perspective, if one has a perspective of, you know, well, you become more virtuous
01:55:13.660through discipline, there is this incremental move upwards from being a bad person to being
01:55:19.580a good person, grace doesn't make sense to you because it's unearned. And so bad people doing
01:55:31.500the right thing all the time doesn't make sense to you. And so it's interesting that Barry Dunn,
01:55:40.700whose association with the show is largely what seems to have infused it with this,
01:55:46.220he just went back to practicing law. He never talked about what message he was trying to get
01:55:51.020forward. But in the later seasons, that message gradually disappears because you don't have this
01:55:57.740very disciplined intelligence there of course barry dunn plays ray and i think it's the ultimate
01:56:05.900lampoon of earned grace ray has been collecting a disability pension for a disability he doesn't
01:56:15.420have for 18 years so he's been committing insurance fraud for 18 years and part of this act involves
01:56:23.820being in a wheelchair whenever strangers are around and you know he hops up out of the
01:56:28.860wheelchair whenever you know he's among friends and gets on with at the time but by season five
01:56:38.060he's been committing insurance fraud successfully for so long that he comes to view it as a form of
01:56:44.620moral authority and he begins referring to himself in the third person as the guy in the chair you
01:56:52.860lied to me, Ricky. You lied to the guy in the chair. But of course the chair is the lie in the
01:57:00.040story. So they perform that very well. And of course, Ray is always in the background ranting
01:57:11.800about Calvinism and how he's the only Calvinist. Sorry, Presbyterians. I try to limit how1.00
01:57:19.360politically offensive i am on the show so i'm just going sideways and being religiously offensive0.89
01:57:23.840uh but uh but there we are i think it's a good place to close out though because it is true
01:57:32.400isn't it all we have all we have is each other and uh who of us when we actually look over our lives
01:57:38.020and see the provision and providence that have been in it can really say that we earned that
01:57:42.840Yes. Also, I'll close with Mr. Leahy's brilliant election speech. The one time he's forced to run for supervisor of the trailer park. Of course, his opponent is doing a sort of classic character attack campaign.
01:58:04.000I still think the NDP actually could have won the 2005 provincial election if they'd used the same rhetoric, because the signs just say, Jim Leahy is a drunk bastard.
01:58:14.040I and the NDP, Carol James could be premier if she'd just run on the slogan, Gordon Campbell is a drunk bastard.
01:58:19.480But in any case, Jim Leahy has to get up and defend himself.
01:58:23.520And he says, who among us, who even in the whole world doesn't have problems?
01:58:30.620Who among us hasn't had a drink or two too many from time to time? Who among us hasn't had a puff
01:58:37.900or two too many from time to time? Who among us hasn't passed out in their driveway and pissed
01:58:44.300all over themselves? And the crowd is right with them. So there we are. We've all had these moments
01:58:53.580of grace and of course the other sort. And the dance they have with each other is what binds us
01:58:59.420together amen stewart parker president of los altos institute we're so thankful to have you on today
01:59:06.460as we do every thursday at least for the second half and to tell us to tell us the moral stories
01:59:11.740of the times we're in and what we might do about them thank you so much for being here thank you
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