Western Standard - NDP & Bloc got so much confidence in Trudeau

00:00:00.680 Good evening. Today is September 25th, 2024. I am Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.

00:00:09.800 I'm joined, as usual, by Western Standard opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford. How are you, Nigel?

00:00:15.840 Good to be here on this day of expanded rights.

00:00:19.620 Indeed. Not with us today is Western Standard Corey Morgan.

00:00:24.920 In his place, we have the wonderful Erica Barutz, who is, well, kind of sitting out in a bit of independent media herself, but I like to refer to her as Senator-Elect Barutz.

00:00:40.620 Welcome to the show.

00:00:42.140 Thank you, and I will let you use that title. I think it's Senator-Elect waiting longer now, given Mr. Trudeau's appointments, but I'll keep fighting the good fight.

00:00:50.980 I'm not using Senator in waiting. I like Senator-Elect.

00:00:53.680 I think it sounds more official as well.

00:00:55.740 This will be elected MLA, or the MP, before they're sworn in.

00:01:00.220 You know, they're MP-Elect, they're MLA-Elect, Premier-Elect. I like Senator-Elect.

00:01:04.940 Me too.

00:01:06.140 Okay, well, we've got a good show today.

00:01:08.600 Okay, the NDP and Bloc Québécois still have so much confidence in Justin Trudeau.

00:01:17.320 They have, Justin, Jagmeet Singh has torn up his agreement with Justin Trudeau.

00:01:24.080 It's torn up.

00:01:25.460 I've got to emphasize, it's torn up.

00:01:27.080 But, you know, breakups, they're not always so clean.

00:01:33.960 He may have moved out, but they're still going to the movies together.

00:01:38.100 Jagmeet Singh still has had his NDP vote.

00:01:41.420 But it has confidence in Justin Trudeau's Liberal government.

00:01:44.440 And Mr. Blanchet's Bloc Québécois, well, he heard that the relationship might be testy, so he's moving in.

00:01:53.400 He's making a play to be Trudeau's new girl.

00:01:56.300 And so the Bloc Québécois has also voted that it has very much confidence in Justin Trudeau's government.

00:02:02.660 I mean, I know I don't need to rile any of you up anymore about the state of the legacy mainstream media in Canada, but CTV has gone to a whole new depth, not in just spin, not in an angle, not in advancing a bias, but full out lies and fabrication.

00:02:25.020 They have incredibly taken, they fabricated a clip of Pierre Polyev saying that we should have an election based on the carbon tax, and they fabricated it so that it says we need an election to kill dental care.

00:02:41.200 I actually agree.

00:02:42.040 I don't think the federal government should have anything to do with dental care, but that's not what he said, not what he said whatsoever.

00:02:47.520 And facing a very hefty defamation lawsuit, CTV has eaten shisa over it.

00:02:55.020 And, oh, what a good day.

00:02:57.800 What a good day, Alberta's new Bill of Rights.

00:03:02.040 We don't have the exact text of it, but Alberta Premier Daniel Smith laying it out yesterday, giving a significantly expanded and beefed up Alberta Bill of Rights.

00:03:15.140 Oh, I know a lot of you are going to love it.

00:03:18.100 It's good.

00:03:19.320 All right.

00:03:19.960 Well, let's get into it.

00:03:20.840 We're going to go start right at the top.

00:03:22.300 So, Nigel, J.B.

00:03:27.740 Singh, a few weeks ago, said he's breaking up with Justin.

00:03:30.960 He's tearing, no, he's ripping up the agreement with Justin Trudeau.

00:03:36.840 Rip, tear.

00:03:37.680 Whipping it up.

00:03:38.660 Done.

00:03:38.880 And then he was asked over and over and over and quite comically, he was asked over and over, do you have confidence in Justin Trudeau?

00:03:48.040 And he would just say, I ripped it up.

00:03:50.020 Do you have confidence?

00:03:50.840 I ripped it up.

00:03:51.800 Well, the question was settled, and he very much does have confidence in Justin Trudeau, the NDP voting to keep his government power again.

00:04:03.660 And Blanchet's Bloc Québécois also voting now, discovering a newfound confidence in Justin Trudeau.

00:04:11.400 So, I mean, if they are trying to undermine faith in Canada, that's actually not a bad way to do it.

00:04:16.920 The Bloc Québécois should probably keep Trudeau in power longer.

00:04:23.060 Who's the winner?

00:04:23.800 Who's the loser among the different parties here?

00:04:28.120 Well, among the different parties, I'll come to that.

00:04:30.020 But obviously, we, the Canadian people, are all the losers in this, because you have a government that basically no longer has legitimacy.

00:04:40.460 I'd have to say that on the matter of Mr. Blanchet's confidence, he is confident that as long as he keeps it reasonable or even a little bit unreasonable,

00:04:50.820 he can put in his chet, and it will be signed and delivered by the Trudeau government, because that's what it's going to take to keep them in office.

00:05:03.420 So, I think that Mr. Blanchet is just doing what any smart politician would do in the same circumstances.

00:05:12.880 The person who really is in the very awkward dilemma that you describe is, on the one hand,

00:05:19.060 having no confidence but voting in favor of a vote of confidence, is Mr. Singh.

00:05:24.220 I cannot imagine what his electoral future is going to be.

00:05:29.280 Certainly, he may keep his seat, but what his legacy in the history books is going to be is a very strange one,

00:05:39.040 and I think at the end of it all, he's going to wish he'd never done it.

00:05:41.880 Erica, I was watching a video, some live footage from the House of Commons of Jagmeet Singh speaking to the motion of non-confidence in the Trudeau government,

00:05:54.240 and I had previously thought I'd never seen a politician debase and humiliate himself so much as Jagmeet Singh,

00:06:02.480 but that changed yesterday when I saw him standing up debating this motion, saying,

00:06:08.680 I don't have confidence in Justin Trudeau, but I'm voting to have confidence in Justin Trudeau.

00:06:14.520 I think it's because the NDP stand to have zero influence in the next parliament.

00:06:19.340 Even if they were to somehow pick up some seats, they're going to have less influence,

00:06:22.280 because it's going to be a majority conservative government, very likely.

00:06:24.400 And, most importantly, they have no money to fight an election.

00:06:30.240 So I want to focus in on Jagmeet Singh and the NDP here.

00:06:33.940 He tried to make a big to-do about ripping it up, yet he's still voting to have confidence in it.

00:06:41.340 Do you think it's...

00:06:42.500 What do you think is the...

00:06:44.220 What's the triangulation going on in this man's mind right now?

00:06:47.940 I think there's a few things at play.

00:06:49.560 One, it's completely embarrassing, right?

00:06:51.260 You're talking from both sides of your mouth, as he did when he said,

00:06:54.100 I'm tearing this up, but wouldn't answer how he would vote in a non-confidence vote in the House.

00:06:59.580 So I think what he was trying to do is to separate the NDP-Liberal coalition as a brand,

00:07:07.360 to maybe try and detach that in hopes when the next election people aren't going to say a Singh-Trudeau alliance.

00:07:14.460 Don't think that that was successful for him.

00:07:17.020 I think that that brand's cemented, and we're going to see the Conservatives leverage that.

00:07:23.740 But when it comes to how...

00:07:24.820 So he tried to do that by ripping everything up, then stands up and is saying,

00:07:29.960 basically, I don't have confidence in democracy.

00:07:33.580 I don't have confidence that Canadians are going to pick the left because they've been such an embarrassment.

00:07:42.080 And so he's looking at this as like his party keeps, you know, they're actually holding pretty par,

00:07:49.140 and if not going up where the others are going down, like the Bloc and the Liberal Party in their seat counts.

00:07:54.940 But you're right.

00:07:55.700 He doesn't have money.

00:07:57.060 He's trying to protect his own brand, it seems, more than he's actually trying to protect his party's brand.

00:08:01.860 And he's doing a horrible job at it based on his speech.

00:08:05.540 Now, I do think his pension is the lingering issue that it's like he wants to collect a pension.

00:08:12.140 Listen, I get it.

00:08:13.120 He's put his time in, and he'd like to have him, you know, receive that because I don't think after his performance,

00:08:20.980 the last couple of months, people are going to be knocking down his door for a job.

00:08:23.400 But I think that's another piece, which is also embarrassing to democracy and to all the people of Canada,

00:08:30.560 that that's why it's basically that was the underlying tone I heard, is I don't believe in this man,

00:08:35.360 but I got some skin in the game, and I need to hold on for my own selfishness.

00:08:40.480 Plus, my party brand's failing, and I'd like to give him the best chance possible.

00:08:43.960 To be fair to Mr. Singh, which is always difficult, I must say that he is not the only member of Parliament

00:08:55.120 waiting for his pension to vest.

00:08:57.220 There are, in fact, out of a 338-seat House, I believe 80 MPs in a similar situation of all parties,

00:09:07.060 including the Conservatives, and therefore, there's a lot of support for keeping this thing.

00:09:14.100 If you've got 25% of the House with you, keeping this thing going and going and going,

00:09:19.080 it's got a fairly good chance, I would say, of going the distance.

00:09:22.520 I mean, if your seat is safe, you're not going to worry about it too much.

00:09:25.660 But a lot of seats aren't safe anymore.

00:09:28.720 Yeah, and I do think that that would hurt his internal brand and his party to not call it.

00:09:33.800 But I think we would be remiss by not pointing that out to the viewers,

00:09:38.100 that that is, I think, a nugget that's being considered.

00:09:41.080 There are a lot of Conservatives that will be vesting when that class comes due,

00:09:46.520 but I don't think there's a single Conservative MP who's really worried about losing his seat right now.

00:09:51.580 They're confident that if there's an election, well, actually,

00:09:54.960 they're more likely to get a bigger pension because they're guaranteed their seats for four years after.

00:09:58.480 So, you know, the math, I always try to get inside the head of people I don't agree with.

00:10:11.200 I want to at least understand them if I don't agree with them.

00:10:14.720 So, you know, maybe you guys can help me just understand the math of Singh here.

00:10:18.880 So he rips up the agreement with Trudeau, but wouldn't say if he has confidence or not.

00:10:25.200 The Bloc wants to be the dancing partner now.

00:10:28.840 So with the Bloc voting that it has confidence in the Trudeau government,

00:10:33.640 Trudeau didn't need Singh's NDP to keep it afloat anymore.

00:10:38.680 So why did he order the NDP to still vote for it?

00:10:43.440 Is it that, you know, because the Bloc and the Liberals, as far as we know publicly,

00:10:47.840 have not struck in a deal yet.

00:10:49.240 The Bloc have laid out some pretty high prices to pay off Quebec at the expense of the rest of Canada.

00:10:56.840 We don't know if the Liberals are going to meet that price or not.

00:11:01.820 But at least for this one particular vote, at least, Singh still sided with the Liberals,

00:11:09.680 even though, even if he voted non-confidence, had demonstrated a bit of independence.

00:11:14.200 The government wouldn't have fallen and he wouldn't have had to worry about an early election.

00:11:17.640 And, Erica, what do you, try to get inside his mind for a moment.

00:11:24.720 If you could channel your J.B. Singh, why did he still vote confidence in Trudeau government,

00:11:31.160 even though it wasn't going to fall because it had Bloc support?

00:11:34.420 I think it's because he doesn't have any money.

00:11:36.280 And he's still trying to talk to the base from his party that,

00:11:41.260 like some of the stuff he maybe tried to accomplish or accomplished under the Liberal coalition,

00:11:45.540 by detaching himself.

00:11:47.580 I mean, his numbers are staying the same, but his piggy bank isn't getting any bigger.

00:11:51.620 And so I think the big piece of that is to not alienate maybe part of his party that wouldn't vote Liberal

00:11:58.180 and would vote NDP.

00:12:00.900 And he's just trying to hold on to be able to rebrand.

00:12:03.940 I also think that if I was being strategic,

00:12:06.580 and I don't know if that's something that Mr. Singh is capable of,

00:12:11.220 but let's give him the benefit of the doubt,

00:12:13.060 being strategic on there's still probably some items that his caucus would like to move forward.

00:12:17.580 And if he shows that he's trying to be divisive and not be a quote unquote team player,

00:12:22.300 that there might be still room for negotiation.

00:12:24.340 He might know that depending on the Bloc's decision, he might have a chess piece to play.

00:12:29.860 So I think him not coming out of the gates, you know, demonstrating in the vote,

00:12:35.800 not necessarily how he feels, that he doesn't support Trudeau,

00:12:39.440 that he doesn't get that wiggle room to try and have further conversations

00:12:43.040 and leverage that relationship because he can really only go up from here,

00:12:48.480 from a fundraising and brand perspective.

00:12:50.860 I want to talk about the block.

00:12:54.200 It's times like this where I really kind of wish we had one ourselves.

00:12:58.560 I want a block too.

00:13:00.600 They're just so damned pragmatic.

00:13:04.260 And not in an ideological sense, but in a let's make a deal sense.

00:13:07.900 Like you could tell these guys read the art of the deal.

00:13:10.740 And they are willing to just say things out loud about the transactional nature of Canada

00:13:18.740 that no one is willing to say.

00:13:22.140 Because that's really what Canada has been denigrated to at this point.

00:13:25.960 It is a system of extortions and transfers.

00:13:32.060 And who can be extorted the least and transferred to the most is the winner.

00:13:36.820 And the block is just ruthlessly pragmatic about it.

00:13:40.680 They're not even saying it's a good thing or a bad thing.

00:13:42.340 They're saying that's the way it is and we're here to play ball.

00:13:44.700 The block after the Conservatives is probably the most election-ready party in Parliament.

00:13:51.940 They're doing okay in the polls.

00:13:53.620 They stand to lose some seats from the Conservatives,

00:13:55.760 but to pick up a fair number from the Liberals.

00:13:59.700 They just won a historic seat in the Verdun.

00:14:03.000 I don't know the rest of the name of the writing.

00:14:04.220 But the Verdun writing on the island of Montreal in a...

00:14:06.700 That seat is of Liberal royalty.

00:14:11.220 It is the keep of the castle.

00:14:13.120 It's literally got the moat, the island of Montreal, around it.

00:14:17.700 But some of their incumbents would lose.

00:14:19.600 So, I mean, that's cold comfort that, hey, you know,

00:14:21.940 they might net win, but those members of their caucus

00:14:23.940 who would lose their seats to the Conservatives,

00:14:25.860 they wouldn't be eager for an election.

00:14:27.400 But they've got at least some money in the bank.

00:14:29.760 They're decent in the polls.

00:14:31.920 They're the most election-ready after the Conservatives.

00:14:36.180 Nigel, maybe kind of game out how they're feeling here.

00:14:40.820 Because, I mean, there's a seat projection that came out today

00:14:44.040 that showed the Bloc Québécois forming official opposition

00:14:46.820 for the first time since between the period of 1993 to 1997

00:14:51.720 under Lucien Bouchard in their first major election.

00:14:54.600 The Liberals dropping to fourth place since the Accountant House of Commons.

00:14:59.380 They stand to pick up, but that would be in a majority government

00:15:02.120 where they have less leverage.

00:15:03.680 Maybe kind of game out for us, you know,

00:15:06.620 the thinking of the Bloc Québécois here.

00:15:08.640 Well, and I think you just gave us the clue right there in your last sentence.

00:15:13.360 They will no longer, they may be the official opposition,

00:15:16.460 but they will not have the votes that you would need

00:15:19.880 to actually force the government to do anything.

00:15:23.700 The strategy for Quebec has always been to hold to ransom the government of the day.

00:15:29.760 When you have a government that is as weak as today's liberal government,

00:15:34.940 you can actually ask for fairly big money.

00:15:38.140 When you don't have the votes, there's only so much you can do.

00:15:43.440 They are going to go for it for the next year,

00:15:46.200 which is one reason why I don't think there's any danger of an imminent election.

00:15:52.020 Because they've got 12 months to see what they can get.

00:15:57.120 The high likelihood is that after the next election,

00:16:00.940 they will not be in such a strong position

00:16:04.320 to demand big money be transferred from the rest of Canada to Quebec.

00:16:09.800 So it's really not that hard.

00:16:13.660 Motivations are pretty clear.

00:16:15.880 I guess it's funny.

00:16:17.280 We're talking about everyone except for the liberals.

00:16:20.820 They're old news.

00:16:21.960 They're old news.

00:16:22.800 They're gone.

00:16:24.820 It's like they're not even the government anymore.

00:16:27.240 Like, yeah, they're there,

00:16:28.560 but they're already in the terminal waiting to depart.

00:16:33.180 Like, we've already kind of checked them out.

00:16:36.540 They're the biggest party in the House of Commons at present,

00:16:39.820 but we're not even really talking about them

00:16:41.360 because they don't really have...

00:16:43.600 Well, they do have some cards to play,

00:16:45.800 and they're going to play every damn card possible

00:16:48.980 to do anything to stop an election.

00:16:52.500 I know Jen Gerson at the line,

00:16:54.880 you know, she's had some smart writing on this.

00:16:58.560 Well, to what effect?

00:17:00.000 What do you want this year for?

00:17:01.800 Or, you've...

00:17:04.520 It's just, I guess, a year without Polyev

00:17:08.540 is a contextual victory in this case, perhaps.

00:17:11.500 But, you know, the liberal line has become

00:17:14.520 that pure Polyev and the conservatives

00:17:16.740 only want an election for themselves.

00:17:19.960 Well, yeah, of course they want to be in power.

00:17:22.440 That's what...

00:17:23.860 Other than, like, the Greens,

00:17:25.180 that's the intent of...

00:17:26.440 And the Bloc Québécois.

00:17:27.720 That's the intent of every political party

00:17:29.460 that has ever existed.

00:17:30.380 That's why we have political parties.

00:17:33.300 But then I saw on...

00:17:35.100 I'm not sure it was maybe Vashi Capelos at Global

00:17:37.960 kind of turned it around on them saying,

00:17:40.040 well, aren't you avoiding an election

00:17:41.900 for your interests?

00:17:43.560 It's your interest to not have an election.

00:17:46.980 So maybe I'll get your input on this, Erica.

00:17:49.640 Why do you think...

00:17:53.560 I'm going to ask you to kind of be the Justin Trudeau whisperer here,

00:17:57.100 get inside his head.

00:17:59.200 Why do they want a year?

00:18:01.100 Like, why are they willing to sell out the kitchen,

00:18:05.560 like, throw everything at,

00:18:07.240 doing anything possible to avoid an election for a year?

00:18:09.700 What can that year give them?

00:18:11.300 I think that there's two parts.

00:18:15.880 That one is the Liberal Party

00:18:17.480 and one itself is Justin Trudeau.

00:18:20.980 And, you know, he's been doing

00:18:23.100 kind of a little bit of a celebrity road show

00:18:25.580 where I think he truly believes

00:18:28.700 that he can, you know, refresh his brand,

00:18:32.080 that he can come back and pull a 2015,

00:18:35.900 we like this guy for who he is,

00:18:39.060 even though his record is poor now,

00:18:40.920 but we still like him to be our spokesperson.

00:18:45.200 So I think that this next year

00:18:47.000 can maybe help him.

00:18:50.480 I don't know.

00:18:52.100 And then I think the other thing is,

00:18:54.000 I mean, you said it earlier,

00:18:55.600 they're basically fighting for a podium spot, right?

00:18:58.980 Like they're third or fourth.

00:19:00.880 And when you're in that position in your government

00:19:03.240 and you can control triggering an election,

00:19:05.900 you're never going to do that.

00:19:07.700 I mean, and we haven't seen a lot of

00:19:10.340 pull the trigger early work well.

00:19:12.900 We saw, you know, how Harper approached it

00:19:15.560 and it was the longest writ.

00:19:16.820 I was running a local campaign.

00:19:18.040 I was like, what was it?

00:19:18.840 65 days or something.

00:19:21.120 And then we saw it with Jim Prentice here.

00:19:23.780 Like it hasn't boded well to not play out your term.

00:19:27.820 I can't think of policies

00:19:29.360 that they want to bring forward,

00:19:31.180 except maybe a horrific budget

00:19:33.280 that they would love to then have

00:19:35.500 a new conservative government have to manage.

00:19:38.360 So it's almost like they're just trying to leave

00:19:41.880 little nuggets of their legacy for when they go

00:19:45.580 and making it harder.

00:19:47.160 Senate elections, I think, was a prime example

00:19:48.920 of making it harder for the next government,

00:19:50.700 not looking out for the best interest of Canadians.

00:19:53.560 And I think Trudeau's narcissism

00:19:55.560 is playing into that as well.

00:19:57.040 Well, I would agree, Madam Senator-elect.

00:19:58.940 Okay, let's switch it up to this astonishing video from CTV.

00:20:11.460 You know, let's just begin.

00:20:13.880 First, we're going to play what CTV says

00:20:18.360 Pierre Paulyev said.

00:20:19.920 That's why we need to put forward a motion.

00:20:24.220 Okay, now let's play the clip of what he actually said.

00:20:29.980 That's why it's time to put forward a motion

00:20:35.020 for a carbon tax election.

00:20:39.020 Okay, Nigel, you've been around the media business

00:20:43.080 for some time.

00:20:44.420 Less on the TV side, more, you know,

00:20:46.360 you come from the Congregate Herald

00:20:47.520 and the Western Standard.

00:20:49.980 I mean, it's easier to manipulate words,

00:20:53.760 take things out of context in print.

00:20:56.120 I could make you say anything

00:20:57.960 if I had a transcript of our time together.

00:21:00.600 I could splice different things.

00:21:02.880 It would be easier in print.

00:21:04.720 But it is much more difficult

00:21:08.120 to take video of someone here,

00:21:14.200 cut their sentence off here,

00:21:15.420 insert different sentence here

00:21:17.920 than a third sentence there.

00:21:20.180 And that's what CTV's done.

00:21:22.480 Media make errors.

00:21:24.680 We make errors.

00:21:26.920 But they're normally honest errors

00:21:30.100 and they might flow from our biases.

00:21:32.180 They might flow from our point of views.

00:21:34.960 But we don't go out of our way

00:21:37.220 to outright fabricate something

00:21:39.800 that someone never said.

00:21:41.500 How the hell can, you know...

00:21:47.000 How can they live with themselves?

00:21:49.040 Yeah, like how the hell

00:21:50.120 can something like this happen?

00:21:50.900 Because this is not an error.

00:21:53.100 This is not an error-mated goodwill

00:21:55.740 based off of our point of views and biases.

00:21:58.600 This was fabrication.

00:22:00.760 This is the kind of thing

00:22:01.840 the liberals like to pretend

00:22:03.900 Vladimir Putin's behind all the time in Canada.

00:22:06.140 This was beyond even disinformation.

00:22:10.000 This was fabrication entirely.

00:22:12.440 How the hell can something like this

00:22:13.780 get through a newsroom?

00:22:14.780 Well, it never used to happen

00:22:15.780 before the government started paying for newsrooms, did it?

00:22:19.980 Probably less frequently.

00:22:21.280 Less frequently.

00:22:22.020 Look, as long as there have been newspapers,

00:22:26.740 there have been people who have been interviewed

00:22:29.180 and said, well, I never said that.

00:22:30.520 I was misquoted.

00:22:32.060 And that's when tape recorders came into vogue.

00:22:34.920 That was a bit of a protection

00:22:36.480 for the average reporter.

00:22:39.500 So, yes, mistakes were made.

00:22:41.400 Sometimes things were made

00:22:42.900 that weren't even mistakes.

00:22:44.440 And the idea that the press

00:22:47.340 is slanted politically

00:22:48.640 in one direction or another

00:22:50.340 is a very old one.

00:22:51.740 For the 50 years

00:22:52.520 that I've been in the business,

00:22:53.660 it's been always accused

00:22:56.200 that the press is biased.

00:22:57.520 So, this is just bias,

00:23:00.300 but on the grand scale

00:23:01.840 and with a degree of sophistication

00:23:03.740 that we seldom see.

00:23:06.880 There is a...

00:23:08.520 There is within the profession

00:23:10.860 a degree of dishonesty

00:23:14.160 that's always been there,

00:23:16.140 but it's been very much enhanced

00:23:17.680 in recent years.

00:23:18.640 You asked me how this could happen.

00:23:20.780 Well, there are some people

00:23:22.240 who honestly believe

00:23:23.580 that as media,

00:23:25.340 they are part of the process.

00:23:26.880 If you want to see it writ large,

00:23:29.460 look at the coverage

00:23:30.600 of the United States election

00:23:32.300 at the moment,

00:23:33.280 where even people

00:23:35.560 who don't like Trump

00:23:37.500 have to admit

00:23:40.320 that the coverage of Trump

00:23:42.760 by what we refer to

00:23:45.680 as the mainstream media,

00:23:47.080 basically everybody except Fox,

00:23:49.340 is highly one-sided,

00:23:51.640 90% negative.

00:23:54.260 All right.

00:23:54.740 Well, guess what?

00:23:56.360 That happens in Canada, too.

00:23:58.380 And in the classrooms

00:24:00.840 at the journalism colleges today,

00:24:03.460 young people are taught

00:24:04.700 that as a journalist,

00:24:06.460 their job is not to get

00:24:07.840 both sides of the story

00:24:09.200 and let the reader

00:24:11.020 make up their mind,

00:24:12.460 the listener,

00:24:13.040 make up their own mind,

00:24:14.160 the watcher.

00:24:15.100 It is to interpret the news.

00:24:18.280 Now, we had this...

00:24:19.080 I had an issue

00:24:19.860 this time last year,

00:24:21.320 you may recall,

00:24:22.020 from remarks

00:24:22.900 at the prayer breakfast,

00:24:24.300 which were literally taken

00:24:27.100 and out of context

00:24:29.380 and inaccurately reported.

00:24:32.280 Nobody actually cut

00:24:33.300 and spliced pieces of tape

00:24:37.880 to make it sound like

00:24:38.960 I said something

00:24:39.580 I didn't say,

00:24:40.880 but they certainly judiciously cut

00:24:43.840 and moved things around

00:24:46.060 to...

00:24:48.080 That was global.

00:24:49.260 That was global.

00:24:50.100 What was the reporter's name again?

00:24:52.260 You know, I...

00:24:52.960 I want to shame him.

00:24:53.900 You're nice.

00:24:54.600 I want to shame him.

00:24:56.460 I'm sorry.

00:24:57.300 It's the old man thing.

00:24:58.480 I can't remember.

00:25:01.520 I'm going to chalk it up

00:25:02.360 to you being a nicer guy.

00:25:03.400 All right.

00:25:03.960 Chalk it up to me,

00:25:04.880 but at any rate,

00:25:06.960 I do believe he now works

00:25:08.720 for Mayor Gondek,

00:25:10.940 so there's your clue.

00:25:13.520 Anyway, look,

00:25:15.540 all I'm...

00:25:16.380 This is a real bad one,

00:25:17.780 the fake Polyev quote.

00:25:20.220 It is a really bad one,

00:25:21.760 and I just wish people

00:25:23.900 in the media

00:25:24.760 would understand

00:25:26.040 that nobody respects them.

00:25:28.960 They haven't respected them

00:25:30.220 for years.

00:25:31.880 We're, as a profession,

00:25:33.360 we're down there

00:25:34.180 with car salesmen

00:25:35.840 who actually,

00:25:37.320 in my experience,

00:25:38.120 have turned out

00:25:38.560 to be a good deal

00:25:39.300 more ethical

00:25:40.020 than some of the people

00:25:42.860 we're talking about now,

00:25:44.520 and there is a reason

00:25:47.640 why people are going

00:25:49.240 to alternative sources.

00:25:50.740 They don't trust

00:25:51.700 the old mainstream media,

00:25:53.300 and this is exactly

00:25:54.540 the kind of thing

00:25:55.520 which is going to push

00:25:56.780 them further away.

00:25:58.240 Erica,

00:25:59.140 I'd like your thoughts

00:26:00.260 on the fabrication here,

00:26:03.520 but maybe also

00:26:04.900 you're kind of zooming out

00:26:07.440 a bit about

00:26:08.540 the broader consequences

00:26:09.900 this might have

00:26:10.700 for the legacy

00:26:11.380 in mainstream media.

00:26:13.340 You know, Polyev.

00:26:16.720 The next election,

00:26:19.220 the media are going

00:26:20.460 to know

00:26:20.820 that if one side wins,

00:26:23.100 they're probably

00:26:23.580 going to lose their job

00:26:24.560 when he kills

00:26:26.220 the English CBC

00:26:27.580 and kills

00:26:28.480 the media subsidies.

00:26:29.980 Most of these guys

00:26:30.820 are going to literally

00:26:31.640 lose their job

00:26:32.640 or keep their job

00:26:33.820 depending on the outcome

00:26:34.860 of an election.

00:26:35.920 That's a pretty impossible

00:26:37.040 spot for a reporter

00:26:38.600 to be in

00:26:39.040 and do a fair job.

00:26:41.560 So maybe you want

00:26:42.440 to talk your thoughts

00:26:43.980 about this fabrication

00:26:45.420 from CTV,

00:26:46.620 but then also maybe

00:26:47.660 the broader effect

00:26:48.940 this might have.

00:26:49.960 Like what we'll see

00:26:50.920 in the next election.

00:26:51.600 So yeah,

00:26:51.840 I'll start with,

00:26:52.760 first off,

00:26:53.400 I think you guys

00:26:54.040 missed this opportunity

00:26:54.860 to say like,

00:26:55.880 this is something

00:26:56.860 I would expect

00:26:57.460 from the CBC,

00:26:58.600 not CTV.

00:26:59.660 I think they can do better.

00:27:01.720 But when it comes

00:27:02.720 to how this works,

00:27:03.860 because you've asked

00:27:04.740 me to put the hat

00:27:05.440 on a few times

00:27:06.560 of the other side,

00:27:08.140 I started doing that

00:27:08.940 as Nigel was kind

00:27:09.880 of sharing,

00:27:10.740 you know,

00:27:11.160 I think a very good point.

00:27:13.760 But if they're looking

00:27:15.420 at it,

00:27:16.300 I'm like,

00:27:17.180 okay,

00:27:17.320 they would argue,

00:27:18.340 but like attack ads

00:27:19.460 do this,

00:27:20.080 political parties do this.

00:27:22.140 We see,

00:27:23.220 you know,

00:27:23.480 this whole purpose

00:27:24.160 of quoting,

00:27:25.080 they did say this,

00:27:26.520 you know,

00:27:26.660 and then that argument.

00:27:27.440 When it comes to like

00:27:28.340 other strategies

00:27:29.160 outside of journalism,

00:27:30.180 which has its own ethics,

00:27:32.260 you know,

00:27:32.520 even if they were like,

00:27:33.280 well,

00:27:33.500 in the 2023 election,

00:27:35.560 you guys were all taking,

00:27:36.680 you know,

00:27:36.920 one line that if you look

00:27:38.260 at it in context,

00:27:39.760 means something

00:27:40.300 totally different.

00:27:42.140 Yes,

00:27:42.540 but those are campaign strategies.

00:27:44.080 And I think that,

00:27:45.420 again,

00:27:45.900 journalists should be held

00:27:47.020 to a higher standard.

00:27:49.120 And that this is kind of,

00:27:51.180 you know,

00:27:51.520 again,

00:27:51.820 embarrassing.

00:27:52.540 It's not something

00:27:53.160 that I think CTV

00:27:54.040 or in Nigel's case,

00:27:55.420 Global should do slicing up.

00:27:57.340 Even political parties

00:27:58.240 don't do that.

00:27:59.100 You don't slice up a video

00:28:01.040 to get a different story outcome.

00:28:03.280 You might pull one line

00:28:04.780 and use that,

00:28:06.500 that in the,

00:28:07.920 you know,

00:28:08.140 the paragraph

00:28:08.740 may have a different resonation,

00:28:10.940 but that is their words

00:28:12.000 and that is in the order

00:28:13.120 in which they said that.

00:28:14.180 So it's even below

00:28:15.620 like an attack ad

00:28:17.260 that people criticize,

00:28:19.240 you know,

00:28:19.420 becomes too dirty

00:28:20.580 or too dark

00:28:21.220 or it's a different type

00:28:21.980 of politics.

00:28:22.820 So,

00:28:23.340 you know,

00:28:23.820 journalists are supposed

00:28:24.740 to be rising above

00:28:25.440 and they're going even

00:28:26.280 beneath that.

00:28:27.320 So shameful.

00:28:28.580 I just want to say that.

00:28:29.840 On the strategy,

00:28:30.860 I think that,

00:28:32.080 you know,

00:28:32.380 the conservatives

00:28:33.020 are used to it

00:28:34.940 and need to know

00:28:35.720 that when it comes

00:28:36.400 to how are journalists

00:28:37.320 going to play out

00:28:39.640 this next election.

00:28:40.980 They obviously,

00:28:42.040 we've learned

00:28:42.620 that the mainstream media

00:28:43.720 doesn't remove their bias

00:28:45.080 to tell the story

00:28:46.660 so that viewers

00:28:47.320 can come up

00:28:47.960 with their own.

00:28:48.920 So I do think

00:28:49.560 it's a big opportunity

00:28:50.420 for,

00:28:51.800 shameless plug,

00:28:52.520 my podcast

00:28:53.300 called The Discourse

00:28:54.120 that talks about

00:28:55.040 those types of things

00:28:55.800 as well as the pipeline

00:28:56.840 and all the

00:28:57.320 Cory Mortgage,

00:28:58.080 you know,

00:28:58.620 Nigel's show,

00:28:59.380 all of these types

00:29:00.280 of alternative media

00:29:01.600 that,

00:29:03.260 you know what,

00:29:03.800 sometimes we have our bias,

00:29:05.020 but we're clear about it.

00:29:07.000 And that's what I think,

00:29:08.280 or you can play devil's advocate

00:29:10.040 and criticize,

00:29:12.180 you know,

00:29:12.720 both your side

00:29:13.540 and the other side,

00:29:14.840 but give people

00:29:15.980 the opportunity

00:29:16.640 to truly come up

00:29:17.880 with their own conclusions

00:29:19.180 without jamming it

00:29:20.140 down their throats

00:29:21.140 or misleading people.

00:29:23.200 So I think that

00:29:24.920 you're going to see

00:29:25.600 the traditional media

00:29:27.760 get very biased

00:29:29.300 in how they are

00:29:30.940 reporting the next election

00:29:32.140 for Canadians.

00:29:33.500 I think that

00:29:34.260 they're getting kind of

00:29:34.860 sick of it.

00:29:35.440 They're seeing that

00:29:36.480 clear correlation

00:29:37.440 to the left

00:29:38.180 and starting,

00:29:39.100 that's why we've seen

00:29:40.000 such an uptick

00:29:40.700 of alternative media

00:29:42.020 outlets,

00:29:42.940 especially to get

00:29:43.860 the right side message out.

00:29:46.380 And I do think that,

00:29:48.320 you know,

00:29:48.740 as Canadians,

00:29:49.600 I just hope people

00:29:50.200 do more research

00:29:51.020 than read a headline

00:29:51.860 or do more research

00:29:53.120 than like find one article

00:29:54.680 and that we do see

00:29:56.120 the opposite,

00:29:57.760 maybe a benefit

00:29:58.620 of the divisiveness

00:29:59.400 in society

00:30:00.000 where people are actually

00:30:00.940 educating themselves

00:30:02.040 more than they have

00:30:03.100 to be able to truly

00:30:04.300 understand an issue,

00:30:05.500 a party's position

00:30:06.380 and all of that

00:30:07.780 going forward.

00:30:08.740 But I don't think

00:30:09.200 the Conservatives

00:30:09.740 are going to be

00:30:11.040 leveraging mainstream media

00:30:12.560 to get their message

00:30:13.360 out this election.

00:30:14.120 We'll see more

00:30:14.780 of the type of communication

00:30:16.500 that Pierre has done

00:30:17.520 so well.

00:30:19.200 Okay.

00:30:20.120 All right.

00:30:20.720 Well, let's,

00:30:21.300 we're going to bring

00:30:21.640 a little closer

00:30:22.280 to home here

00:30:22.940 in Alberta.

00:30:25.340 Yesterday,

00:30:26.000 Alberta Premier

00:30:26.680 Danielle Smith

00:30:27.820 announcing,

00:30:30.940 well,

00:30:31.300 what we've known

00:30:31.720 is coming

00:30:32.020 for some time,

00:30:33.420 a new Alberta

00:30:34.720 Bill of Rights.

00:30:36.540 Alberta's had

00:30:37.020 a Bill of Rights

00:30:37.640 for a long time.

00:30:38.340 I believe

00:30:38.800 the first one

00:30:39.580 was brought in

00:30:41.320 under Peter Lougheed.

00:30:43.940 It effectively forms

00:30:45.660 a part of the

00:30:46.160 provincial constitution.

00:30:48.520 Many,

00:30:48.960 I think all the provinces

00:30:49.800 have these

00:30:50.280 to some extent.

00:30:50.920 And the provincial

00:30:51.640 constitutions are,

00:30:53.340 they resemble

00:30:54.040 more the British

00:30:55.140 constitution

00:30:55.780 that it's

00:30:56.280 both unwritten

00:30:57.940 and a series

00:30:58.700 of documents

00:30:59.560 that make up

00:31:00.080 a constellation,

00:31:02.400 a constitutional

00:31:03.060 constellation,

00:31:03.840 if you will.

00:31:05.700 So this would

00:31:06.820 have no effect

00:31:07.620 on federal laws

00:31:08.760 in Alberta,

00:31:09.420 but it would

00:31:09.820 certainly,

00:31:10.900 it trumps

00:31:12.000 all other

00:31:12.600 provincial statute.

00:31:13.560 statute.

00:31:15.240 So,

00:31:15.520 you know,

00:31:15.700 already there's,

00:31:16.720 the current

00:31:18.100 Bill of Rights

00:31:18.760 as it stands

00:31:19.460 is very similar

00:31:20.860 to the Federal

00:31:21.480 Charter of Rights

00:31:22.640 and Freedoms.

00:31:24.320 But this one

00:31:24.960 is going to,

00:31:25.840 this one's going

00:31:26.860 to beef it up

00:31:27.540 now.

00:31:28.220 This is,

00:31:29.280 you know,

00:31:29.600 very much a nod

00:31:30.680 to basic rights

00:31:32.680 violations coming

00:31:33.520 from the COVID

00:31:34.740 era.

00:31:36.340 Our crack judges

00:31:38.220 in Canada did

00:31:38.960 not seem to

00:31:39.500 think that,

00:31:40.220 you know,

00:31:42.140 sovereignty of the

00:31:42.980 person in many

00:31:43.600 cases had anything

00:31:44.400 to do with the

00:31:44.980 right on whether

00:31:45.560 they take a medical

00:31:46.240 treatment or not.

00:31:46.900 So that's going

00:31:47.540 to be put quite

00:31:48.080 explicitly into

00:31:48.980 here.

00:31:49.320 That is,

00:31:50.020 freedom in

00:31:51.100 medical decisions,

00:31:53.300 whether they take

00:31:53.920 a vaccine,

00:31:54.880 that kind of thing,

00:31:55.440 the right to

00:31:55.740 refuse treatments.

00:31:57.420 It is going to

00:31:58.240 include something

00:31:58.880 that has long

00:32:00.240 been called for

00:32:00.860 to be included

00:32:01.360 in the Federal,

00:32:02.340 the Canadian

00:32:02.900 Charter of Rights

00:32:03.380 and Freedoms.

00:32:04.320 That is property

00:32:04.980 rights.

00:32:05.480 It's a fundamental

00:32:06.280 right that was,

00:32:08.100 I was going to

00:32:08.920 say inexplicably,

00:32:09.820 but I think we

00:32:10.420 would have our

00:32:10.840 suspicions about

00:32:11.440 why Peter Trudeau

00:32:12.260 really did not

00:32:13.080 want property

00:32:13.560 rights included.

00:32:15.220 But this is

00:32:15.920 going to include

00:32:16.440 property rights

00:32:17.540 and the right

00:32:18.700 to not have it

00:32:19.180 deprived without

00:32:19.960 proper due

00:32:21.760 process at the

00:32:22.380 courts, etc.

00:32:24.260 And this one

00:32:26.020 was rumored

00:32:27.220 to be in,

00:32:28.800 and I just

00:32:30.900 didn't think

00:32:31.660 they had the

00:32:32.500 political gonads

00:32:33.660 to do it,

00:32:34.320 but I was

00:32:35.460 pleasantly wrong.

00:32:37.180 Gun rights.

00:32:38.480 This will be

00:32:38.920 the first formal

00:32:40.200 expression of

00:32:41.280 gun rights in

00:32:42.840 a Charter of

00:32:43.600 Rights or Bill

00:32:44.280 of Rights in

00:32:45.440 Canadian history.

00:32:46.440 I mean,

00:32:49.040 some would say

00:32:49.380 that's kind of

00:32:50.480 a part of

00:32:50.820 property rights

00:32:51.560 as a part

00:32:52.020 of the right

00:32:52.820 to life

00:32:54.180 and personal

00:32:55.600 freedoms,

00:32:55.980 but the courts

00:32:56.980 have been less

00:32:57.920 generous in

00:32:58.840 their interpretations.

00:33:00.020 This is going

00:33:00.480 to put it in,

00:33:01.000 not using quite

00:33:01.720 the American

00:33:02.120 language of

00:33:02.660 right to bear

00:33:03.100 arms as a

00:33:03.720 part of a

00:33:04.020 well-regulated

00:33:04.580 militia,

00:33:05.600 but I don't

00:33:07.040 have the exact

00:33:07.460 text in front

00:33:07.900 of me,

00:33:08.060 but it's the

00:33:09.340 right to safely

00:33:10.140 own, acquire,

00:33:10.960 and use firearms,

00:33:12.460 which is pretty

00:33:15.060 damn, it's a lot

00:33:16.960 better than, I

00:33:19.000 didn't expect them

00:33:19.540 to do it at all

00:33:20.120 because, while I

00:33:21.640 know they've been

00:33:23.220 taking some courageous

00:33:23.920 positions on a few

00:33:24.700 things, this one,

00:33:26.600 oh, the late, the

00:33:28.540 government-funded

00:33:29.400 media is losing its

00:33:31.240 bloody mind, Nigel.

00:33:32.440 Well, and we're

00:33:34.980 just finding ours,

00:33:36.260 aren't we?

00:33:37.240 My word.

00:33:38.780 They are, no,

00:33:40.800 this is an

00:33:42.220 extraordinary

00:33:42.800 document.

00:33:44.820 We haven't seen

00:33:45.740 the legislative

00:33:46.300 details yet, but

00:33:47.900 looking at the

00:33:48.620 statement that the

00:33:50.260 premier released

00:33:51.200 yesterday, it is

00:33:53.240 a very strong

00:33:55.100 statement of

00:33:57.080 personal belief on

00:33:59.560 her part, I'm

00:34:00.420 sure, and the

00:34:01.460 reason that I'm

00:34:02.080 sure she made,

00:34:03.220 she very gallantly

00:34:04.020 made reference to

00:34:05.960 old discussions we'd

00:34:07.200 had 20 years ago

00:34:08.160 when we were on the

00:34:08.980 editorial board at

00:34:10.020 the Calgary Herald

00:34:10.940 and chose to

00:34:12.020 remember that, and

00:34:13.740 you know, so much

00:34:14.520 of what I see

00:34:15.200 coming from her

00:34:16.220 generally, but

00:34:17.320 also specifically

00:34:18.360 in this rewrite

00:34:19.820 of the, or these

00:34:21.200 amendments, it's not

00:34:22.020 a rewrite, these

00:34:22.840 amendments are

00:34:24.220 things that have

00:34:24.820 been on her mind

00:34:26.200 in one form or

00:34:27.100 another for a very

00:34:27.880 long time.

00:34:29.420 So I know she's

00:34:30.140 absolutely sincere

00:34:31.320 about it, but

00:34:32.080 because there is a

00:34:33.120 tendency for people

00:34:34.400 to say, well, she's

00:34:35.020 got to do that for

00:34:35.900 the people who

00:34:36.520 supported her, you

00:34:37.980 know, during the

00:34:38.560 leadership campaign

00:34:39.540 or whatever.

00:34:40.860 No, this is what

00:34:41.920 she really thinks.

00:34:42.900 She does believe in

00:34:43.900 property rights.

00:34:44.600 She was in the

00:34:45.200 property rights

00:34:45.820 business before she

00:34:46.840 was ever in the

00:34:48.100 politics business,

00:34:49.820 and now we're going

00:34:50.640 back nearly 30

00:34:51.400 years.

00:34:51.720 and she was, and with

00:34:55.540 the gun rights, she

00:34:56.500 honestly believes that

00:34:58.480 people should be free

00:34:59.600 as long as they're not

00:35:00.340 criminals, to own, keep

00:35:02.240 and safely store and

00:35:03.720 use firearms.

00:35:05.500 Why not?

00:35:06.120 I mean, it's a free

00:35:06.820 country, right?

00:35:07.680 We say that, a free

00:35:08.840 country, but in so many

00:35:10.060 ways it's not, and it

00:35:11.360 would be less so if the

00:35:12.340 federal government had

00:35:13.380 its way.

00:35:14.320 This is, the thing

00:35:15.780 about this is going to

00:35:16.840 send a message to the

00:35:17.780 rest of the country, it's

00:35:19.100 going to encourage other

00:35:20.100 people to think like us

00:35:21.500 and some possibilities

00:35:23.280 pushing back against

00:35:24.840 Ottawa to say, no, you

00:35:26.600 just can't do this.

00:35:27.880 You can't mandate people

00:35:29.300 to have a vaccine, you

00:35:30.920 can't take away guns, and

00:35:32.460 you can't build a highway

00:35:33.780 through my backyard.

00:35:36.580 Erica, this is a big

00:35:41.320 deal.

00:35:41.940 It's not going to stop

00:35:42.960 federal intrusions, and

00:35:43.980 the federal government

00:35:44.560 can violate, is a huge

00:35:46.560 violator of gun rights,

00:35:47.960 but the province has

00:35:49.440 taken direct control

00:35:50.800 from the, of the office

00:35:52.100 of the chief firearms

00:35:52.840 officer, which is

00:35:55.560 essentially the

00:35:56.020 application of the law.

00:35:58.280 And I'd say that's been

00:36:00.660 pretty successful for gun

00:36:02.900 owners in Alberta.

00:36:03.980 It's been, it's been an

00:36:04.720 absolute coup.

00:36:05.740 It was, you know, you

00:36:08.360 know, out of the good,

00:36:09.400 the good things and the

00:36:10.520 bad things of the, of the

00:36:11.540 Kennedy government, this

00:36:12.300 one's got to be at the

00:36:13.060 absolute, near the top of

00:36:15.380 the good things that it

00:36:16.700 was able to achieve.

00:36:17.960 Um, but I, I mean, on

00:36:21.960 the one hand, I'd say, uh,

00:36:23.480 the whole thing, not

00:36:24.060 just the guns, but the

00:36:25.280 entire thing, this is an

00:36:26.180 act of bravery, but on

00:36:28.260 the other side, there's

00:36:30.160 political danger here.

00:36:31.260 This is going to be, I

00:36:33.080 mean, this is going to

00:36:34.360 make heads explode.

00:36:36.020 We don't have the actual

00:36:36.600 text of the legislation

00:36:37.500 yet, but I think we got a

00:36:38.320 pretty good idea from the

00:36:39.760 premier's, uh, speech

00:36:40.840 yesterday.

00:36:41.940 Um, maybe you want to

00:36:43.860 weigh in on the balance

00:36:45.860 here of political bravery

00:36:47.120 and delivering something

00:36:48.160 that I, I think, I think

00:36:49.740 she genuinely believes in

00:36:50.880 and that her base, I

00:36:52.640 think very much is going

00:36:53.540 to be pleased by, but on

00:36:55.220 the other hand, uh, you

00:36:58.220 know, the, the, the

00:36:58.940 political dangers here

00:37:00.080 and have the legacy media

00:37:02.000 unanimously against her

00:37:03.240 and, you know, all, all the

00:37:05.920 usual pearl clutching

00:37:07.500 groups and individuals that

00:37:09.060 you would expect.

00:37:09.560 Um, yeah, so I think that

00:37:12.900 to your point, this is, this

00:37:15.300 is a communication and a

00:37:17.340 change of something she's

00:37:18.280 talked about for a long

00:37:19.140 time.

00:37:19.420 Like Nigel dates back, you

00:37:21.020 know, years, but she ran on

00:37:22.340 this, she ran on reviewing

00:37:23.720 and what started out and

00:37:25.240 just want to remind people

00:37:26.100 is the human rights

00:37:27.020 infringement on COVID, um, and

00:37:29.340 the vaccinations.

00:37:30.040 And so she expanded that,

00:37:31.960 which I actually think gives

00:37:33.340 her a little bit more

00:37:34.100 political run, uh, runway

00:37:35.980 because it wasn't just

00:37:37.560 about changing it for

00:37:38.420 COVID.

00:37:38.620 It's like, well, if we're

00:37:39.200 going to open up the human

00:37:40.300 rights act, let's open up

00:37:41.840 the whole thing.

00:37:42.480 And in there, I think, as

00:37:44.480 we all know, when you amend

00:37:45.560 a bill, you amend it

00:37:46.440 because it is no longer

00:37:48.200 relevant to the time or

00:37:50.040 there's something that

00:37:50.700 happened.

00:37:51.220 A lot of these things are

00:37:52.520 actually responses to what

00:37:53.980 the Trudeau government has

00:37:55.020 done, the gun buyback and,

00:37:56.540 and, you know, attacking gun

00:37:58.140 owners, property rights has

00:37:59.780 been a longstanding issue in

00:38:01.400 Alberta.

00:38:01.780 And we've seen the federal

00:38:02.880 government infringe on

00:38:03.880 those rights.

00:38:04.540 Like these are in the

00:38:05.800 Charter of Rights and

00:38:06.460 Freedoms and the

00:38:06.960 Constitution.

00:38:07.840 Like they're, they're

00:38:08.660 coming into our

00:38:09.340 jurisdiction and that we

00:38:11.540 are a province, strong and

00:38:13.000 free is, you know, um, our,

00:38:15.580 our motto that in the

00:38:17.900 fundamental freedoms that

00:38:18.940 we had and are in the,

00:38:21.080 the Charter of Rights and

00:38:21.940 Freedoms are now being

00:38:22.900 attacked and challenged.

00:38:24.060 So I think the amendments

00:38:25.420 and the timing, whether

00:38:26.880 it's on your choice of

00:38:28.660 vaccination, you know,

00:38:30.100 whether you got one or

00:38:30.840 not, I think you being able

00:38:32.020 to choose if you should get

00:38:34.580 a vaccination.

00:38:35.800 Most people can agree with

00:38:37.840 from that fundamental

00:38:39.140 freedom of choice.

00:38:40.680 Uh, when it comes to the,

00:38:42.900 the property rights, again,

00:38:44.360 we've seen it in Saskatchewan

00:38:45.780 and, and Alberta where the

00:38:47.700 federal government is going

00:38:48.780 outside of their reach.

00:38:49.780 They're coming in.

00:38:50.820 Uh, we've seen Premier Scott

00:38:52.860 Moe take some pretty good

00:38:54.000 stances on that as well as,

00:38:55.920 uh, the, the, uh, that we

00:38:59.120 are not like the United States.

00:39:00.960 Punishing gun owners is not

00:39:02.760 going to remove the crime of

00:39:04.460 people that illegally have guns

00:39:06.120 in this country and are

00:39:08.220 shooting people in downtown

00:39:09.380 Toronto.

00:39:09.800 Like that is all things that I

00:39:12.140 think as an Albertan, they, if

00:39:15.140 you break it down that I, I

00:39:16.460 really don't think if you come

00:39:17.940 it back to freedoms and your

00:39:19.160 ability to choose, and that we

00:39:21.020 do have good regulations in

00:39:22.720 place to protect some of the,

00:39:24.580 the things that will be

00:39:25.420 fear-mongered.

00:39:26.200 I think most people in common

00:39:27.740 sense can understand why these

00:39:29.980 three things came out of the

00:39:31.320 review and that it wasn't once

00:39:32.980 upon a time, it was about COVID

00:39:34.700 and this premier took a, uh, like

00:39:37.380 you said, uh, an aggressive move

00:39:39.120 to address it, but she's

00:39:39.960 addressing it holistically.

00:39:41.320 So even at that point, I think

00:39:43.300 people should appreciate that it

00:39:45.220 was more than what she campaigned

00:39:46.800 on.

00:39:47.540 Absolutely.

00:39:48.160 She's can't go ahead.

00:39:48.920 Nigel jump in.

00:39:49.680 No, no, no, no.

00:39:50.320 I want you to finish.

00:39:51.300 Well, we actually, we know we

00:39:52.660 actually have to, we got to wrap

00:39:54.360 it there and move on to, uh,

00:39:55.780 I was going to say though, I

00:39:57.860 just want to add though, that I

00:39:59.880 think that it, she is speaking

00:40:01.380 to her base.

00:40:02.500 She's got a leadership review

00:40:03.680 before she's got another

00:40:05.080 election.

00:40:05.740 So, and then in two years of

00:40:07.360 Amanda, you put a lot of tough

00:40:08.640 things through in your first two

00:40:09.880 years.

00:40:10.540 So as she does that, the people

00:40:12.740 that are hate, this are going to

00:40:13.940 hate it.

00:40:14.300 And they were always going to hate

00:40:15.340 it.

00:40:15.480 You're going to, the ones that are

00:40:16.240 lighting their hair on fire had

00:40:17.720 their, their lighter ready, um,

00:40:20.320 when Danielle Smith became

00:40:22.020 premier.

00:40:22.480 So I don't think it's going to

00:40:23.800 change anything outside of some

00:40:26.260 loud noise that we're going to

00:40:27.500 have to listen to, but these

00:40:29.480 people were never going to

00:40:30.380 support it, whether it was just

00:40:31.520 about COVID or in the

00:40:32.580 comprehensive way we see it.

00:40:34.320 All right.

00:40:34.940 Thank you.

00:40:35.620 All right.

00:40:36.160 Well, we're going to move to our

00:40:38.640 new ending segment, parting

00:40:41.120 shots.

00:40:42.200 Uh, we're going to go first to

00:40:43.820 Nigel.

00:40:44.100 So you, you, you can follow

00:40:45.420 along, get the, get the spirit of

00:40:47.100 things, uh, Erica.

00:40:48.080 Sounds good.

00:40:48.580 Nigel, your parting shot.

00:40:49.500 My parting shot, well, actually I

00:40:50.940 have two.

00:40:51.380 One is watch my interview with.

00:40:53.320 I didn't say you could have two.

00:40:54.640 Well, I made an executive decision.

00:40:57.240 I get to do that.

00:40:58.020 I'm the opinion editor.

00:40:59.060 Right.

00:40:59.580 So look, um, watch my podcast with,

00:41:02.340 uh, premier Smith about the, uh, about

00:41:04.700 the, uh, it's the Hannaford show.

00:41:06.600 Okay.

00:41:07.100 Second one is got to do with the

00:41:09.060 story.

00:41:09.780 It came out of Toronto about

00:41:11.280 teachers who took their students,

00:41:13.780 grades seven, eight, and nine to, with

00:41:16.940 permission of parents believing that

00:41:20.040 they were going to, a demonstration

00:41:22.420 to do with water on Indian reserves.

00:41:29.100 They wanted better water.

00:41:31.420 The parents signed and said, sure, I'm

00:41:32.980 in favor of that.

00:41:33.660 My kid can attend the protest and watch.

00:41:36.140 And then they ended up down there and

00:41:37.920 the kids were told to wear blue

00:41:39.940 pullovers to signify that they

00:41:42.400 recognize themselves as colonialists

00:41:45.100 and oppressors.

00:41:46.100 And then the next thing was that they

00:41:47.520 were chanting pro Palestine

00:41:49.360 slogans and were just the play

00:41:53.200 things of the teachers to pursue

00:41:55.200 their own wretched personal policies.

00:42:00.100 That's wrong.

00:42:01.620 There needs to be a sacking day.

00:42:03.860 And also coming back to the subject of

00:42:07.260 the, what we were talking about earlier,

00:42:08.780 losing trust in things.

00:42:09.980 This is how people lose trust in the

00:42:12.960 education system.

00:42:14.300 It's just one incident, but you hear

00:42:15.640 about this kind of thing so frequently.

00:42:17.980 And it's why right here in Alberta,

00:42:19.860 probably 20% of the students would be

00:42:22.700 out of the public system if they could

00:42:24.880 only get there as it is probably about

00:42:27.540 12% or outside it.

00:42:29.420 So trust is, trust is broken and it

00:42:31.820 can't be easily repaired.

00:42:33.240 All right.

00:42:33.880 Erica, you get one parting shot.

00:42:36.920 Okay.

00:42:37.260 Mine is, you know, this frustration I

00:42:40.580 have with the left using the term

00:42:42.580 inclusive and it's getting really sick

00:42:45.120 and, you know, an old buzzword because

00:42:47.780 it's actually the most exclusive club

00:42:49.900 you can be a part of.

00:42:51.580 And I think of how the trans individual

00:42:55.540 that was, has, you know, sent their

00:42:57.760 video with Jennifer Johnson, MLA for

00:43:00.060 Lacombe Pinocca viral saying that this

00:43:02.420 woman is a bigot.

00:43:03.440 She does this and that.

00:43:04.320 And the outset was this trans person

00:43:06.700 asking for Jennifer Johnson before even

00:43:09.620 engaging in conversation to declare that

00:43:13.980 a, like a trans woman is a woman.

00:43:17.460 And to me, that's not about being

00:43:19.240 inclusive.

00:43:19.960 Inclusive is truly being open-minded,

00:43:23.580 listening to the other side, respectfully

00:43:25.460 disagreeing.

00:43:26.260 Something that Jennifer kept coming back

00:43:28.080 to was like, well, can we respectfully

00:43:29.400 disagree on this and continue our

00:43:31.580 conversation?

00:43:32.040 I'd like to hear your story, et cetera.

00:43:34.100 And instead the left just went off, you

00:43:37.700 know, in a tyrant that Jennifer hasn't

00:43:39.700 learned and she shouldn't come back to

00:43:41.160 caucus.

00:43:41.740 And it all comes back to them using this

00:43:43.900 term about it's inclusive.

00:43:45.180 It's to create this inclusive space.

00:43:47.200 But to me, that is the exact opposite of

00:43:49.540 inclusivity.

00:43:50.080 It's excluding Jennifer because she may not

00:43:52.940 agree with someone, but that doesn't mean

00:43:54.900 she wasn't there to be open and listen and

00:43:56.900 hear that person.

00:43:57.900 So it's something that gets me really

00:44:00.000 fired up, as you can tell.

00:44:01.220 And I think that the left could learn

00:44:03.560 from how we're maybe a little bit more

00:44:04.940 tolerant with other views than our own.

00:44:07.860 All right.

00:44:08.540 And my parting short and sweet, if you've

00:44:12.400 got the stomach for it, make sure you

00:44:14.660 watch Justin Trudeau's slow pitch

00:44:18.840 love-in with Stephen Colbert.

00:44:20.600 It's painful to watch, but I love, I like

00:44:24.440 hate watching.

00:44:25.140 I love hate reading.

00:44:27.500 It was something to behold.

00:44:30.280 I think Colbert was briefed very vaguely

00:44:34.120 that Justin Trudeau's not very popular

00:44:36.600 anymore.

00:44:37.200 I think he's, I think maybe that briefing

00:44:40.480 was a bit gentle, though, that he is

00:44:43.260 outright, almost universally loathed in

00:44:45.720 Canada now, even among his own party.

00:44:47.180 But these, these just slow pitch

00:44:50.940 questions saying, you know, with the

00:44:53.140 rise of fascism around the world, and

00:44:55.200 you know, you've got your own Trump

00:44:56.940 far-right guy in the Conservative Party.

00:44:59.900 What are you doing, Justin Trudeau, to

00:45:01.960 stop Canada from becoming as bad as

00:45:05.300 America?

00:45:06.140 And it was just sickening.

00:45:09.740 But I love, hate watching stuff like

00:45:11.840 this, because I remember when Stephen

00:45:14.320 Colbert would do a great job being a

00:45:16.960 pretend Bill O'Reilly right-wing

00:45:18.840 pundit.

00:45:19.680 That was funny.

00:45:20.540 That was comedy.

00:45:21.740 But Stephen Colbert is, I think, Steve

00:45:23.440 being a comedian a long time ago.

00:45:24.720 He's just another pompous, far-left,

00:45:27.460 late-night host.

00:45:28.700 So it's too bad.

00:45:30.920 All right, that's my parting shot.

00:45:32.780 Nigel, Erica, it's been a slice.

00:45:35.840 Really appreciate you joining us as a

00:45:38.460 guest on the show today.

00:45:39.540 Added a little colour, one less old

00:45:42.400 white guy.

00:45:44.420 Always happy to be that person.

00:45:46.260 All right.

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Western Standard - September 27, 2024

NDP & Bloc got so much confidence in Trudeau

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