Western Standard - Nenshi desperately needs a seat

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00:01:00.000 good day welcome to the cory morgan show as you can see it's still cowboy cosplay week and i'm

00:01:22.560 taking full advantage of it to try and wear denim as long as i can hey i'm convincing right i look

00:01:27.160 like I came right off the range. Maybe not. But hey, I live rural. I raise bees. It's kind of a

00:01:32.560 livestock, isn't it? I'll use that as my excuse. Anyways, good to see you guys checking in on the

00:01:37.360 live end of things. A whole bunch of J's. We got James, Jake, Jet, and Jordan all in there in the 1.00

00:01:42.160 comments. Scroll. Use that scroll. Have discussion. Send questions my way. I appreciate it. I see

00:01:47.820 them all even if I don't necessarily read them all out loud. Got a good show going today. Got

00:01:52.280 Adam Zeevo back after I so rudely greeted him with some poor technical issues last time. So

00:01:58.300 the conversation is still valid. We're going to talk. He's a columnist at the National Post and

00:02:01.980 a few other areas about safe supply. He's really been having it out with the activists on that

00:02:07.980 whole issue. It's going to be a great conversation. And of course, we'll have our news check-ins and

00:02:12.600 things going as well. But let me get ranting on one of my favorite people, my favorite subjects

00:02:16.640 out there right now, and that is Nahed Nenshi. Yes, our NDP leader in Alberta. Now, usually a

00:02:23.820 top priority for a new political party leader is to get a seat in the legislature or parliament,

00:02:28.860 depending on their level of government, but Alberta NDP leader Nahed Nenshi has been pretending

00:02:33.640 that he isn't in a hurry to seek a seat in the Alberta legislature, but that's anything but true.

00:02:38.440 I mean, having ridden into the NDP leadership with a very impressive level of party support,

00:02:41.600 People anticipated Nenshi's political ascendancy would progress quickly.

00:02:46.020 Instead, though, it stalled.

00:02:47.920 I mean, the first comprehensive poll held in Alberta since he won the leadership

00:02:51.240 has found that support for the NDP has been flatlined,

00:02:55.240 and they're trailing Daniel Smith's UCP by 14 points.

00:02:58.460 Typically, a new party leader can expect a honeymoon with the electors

00:03:01.120 and maybe even a bump in support, but this hasn't happened with Nenshi.

00:03:04.800 I mean, he's proven himself to be a formidable organizer in the leadership race,

00:03:07.660 but he just hasn't endeared himself to the electorate at large.

00:03:11.600 and she's working hard right now on the pancake circuit while the legacy media dutifully carries

00:03:16.240 water for him with breathless coverage on how well attended the heads and events have been but

00:03:20.720 the public at large really hasn't taken notice of him and when the summer ends and the public

00:03:24.600 events dry up then she's going to be challenged by his lack of a seat more than ever the legislative

00:03:29.540 session is going to begin this fall in alberta and some unknown backbench mla named christina

00:03:34.380 gray will serve as the leader of the opposition while nancy remains on the outside looking in

00:03:38.960 Many Albertans don't know who Nenshi really is.

00:03:40.980 If a person isn't an avid CBC viewer or didn't live in Calgary during his reign as mayor,

00:03:46.260 they really aren't too familiar with the guy, actually.

00:03:48.500 And it's going to take more than flipping some pancakes at rodeos to get people to know him.

00:03:51.980 The legislature is the natural place to establish himself as an opposition leader and potential future premier.

00:03:57.220 It's where Nenshi can hold the premier's feet to the fire on policies and where he can promote NDP motions.

00:04:01.900 It would keep him in the news scroll and establish him in the minds of Albertans as a possible premier in waiting.

00:04:07.180 But alas, for now, the best Nenshi can do is hang around the legislature atrium after sessions and hope that a reporter wants to speak with him.

00:04:15.100 With media outlets getting smaller, few, aside from the Western Standard, of course, have the resources to keep a reporter on site in the legislature full time.

00:04:22.380 Those other outlets garner their information from debates on bills and get video clips from the legislative session.

00:04:27.060 They don't sit in groups to scrum party leaders in the lobby as they used to.

00:04:30.520 Nenshi's a canny political player. He knows he's at a terrible disadvantage as a leader without a seat.

00:04:34.800 but for now there's not a bloody thing he can do about it. It's beautiful. Normally somebody within

00:04:39.180 a party would be willing to step aside from a safe seat for a new leader. Clearly right now

00:04:43.700 nobody within the NDP caucus is willing to do that for Nenshi. A part of the problem is that

00:04:48.460 Nenshi can't offer great incentives for an MLA to fall on their sword and give them their seat.

00:04:53.140 A party in power can offer all sorts of appointments to ensure an MLA taking one for

00:04:56.600 the team has a soft landing. A party in opposition is kind of limited when it comes to such political

00:05:01.080 horse trading. The safest seats for the NDP are in Edmonton. There may be an MLA or two up there

00:05:06.480 willing to step aside to make room for Nenshi, but it wouldn't be ideal for him. If the NDP can't

00:05:10.120 make gains in Calgary, they don't have a chance of winning the next election. They want to keep

00:05:14.000 Nenshi in Calgary where they hope to build a more solid base of support. In Calgary, there are a few

00:05:18.340 seats that would be considered safe, but the MLA sitting in them aren't going to move over for

00:05:21.820 Nenshi. This indicates Nenshi isn't as popular within the party ranks as some people might think.

00:05:26.760 I mean, sure, he won the leadership with an astounding level of support, but to get a seat,

00:05:30.280 he needs some love coming from the old NDP stalwarts, and it doesn't appear to be there.

00:05:34.240 While Lethbridge West is open and will be holding a by-election soon, it's far from a safe seat for

00:05:38.280 Ninchy. He could possibly run and lose down there, but that would cause some pretty deep embarrassment.

00:05:43.340 He's better off to bide his time than take such a risk. It's still going to be more than three

00:05:46.940 years till the next general election, and Ninchy's surely going to find his way into the legislature

00:05:50.120 before then. But he isn't riding the wave of popularity that the legacy media implies, though,

00:05:55.160 and he needs every advantage he can get. With every month, he sits forlornly outside the legislature

00:05:59.640 you're begging for attention. While another MLA serves as opposition leader, Nenshi's just going

00:06:04.940 to look weaker and weaker. Being seatless right now is an inconvenience for Nenshi, but the quest

00:06:09.180 for his heat's going to turn into one of desperation pretty soon if he doesn't get a chance to pursue

00:06:12.780 it soon. So sit back and watch. Let's see if he can buy the love of another NDP member soon.

00:06:18.560 All right, that's enough out of me. Oh, by the way, just a hat tip to the folks at the

00:06:21.880 barbecue I was at last night for the Banff-Canonaskis constituency. That's where I live,

00:06:28.020 And it was amazing.

00:06:28.640 There had to be at least a dozen MLAs and a couple of MPs there.

00:06:32.500 Unfortunately, we're a rural seat, but we do have an NDP member.

00:06:35.640 And as we can see, though, the party is trying very hard to change that around.

00:06:39.680 Banff and Canmore are the hardest parts to do it.

00:06:41.540 Met some great folks from Banff and a few others there.

00:06:43.620 So we'll see what happens.

00:06:45.080 All right, let's turn to see what else is going on in the news.

00:06:46.860 We got Jen Hodgson in the studio today as Dave couldn't make it.

00:06:50.140 That's fine.

00:06:51.160 And yes, you've been hard at it.

00:06:52.720 What are the top stories dominating the Western Standard Sight these days, Jen?

00:06:56.880 Hey, Corey.

00:06:57.440 So hard at it, but not too hard at it since it's the opening days of the stampede.

00:07:02.060 So I left it in the newsroom.

00:07:04.780 I should have dashed out at the last minute.

00:07:07.520 I'll be putting it on later when I head out and go down to the grounds.

00:07:11.200 So today we have Trudeau.

00:07:12.860 He's visiting with NATO.

00:07:14.480 He was speaking at an event at the Canadian embassy during the NATO summit this week.

00:07:20.760 And he was talking about climate change and how that is actually Canada's most, quote,

00:07:26.000 existential threat and not just because of the environment but also the security issues that are

00:07:31.680 around that but speaking of security issues and nato trudeau simultaneously is raked through the

00:07:38.320 coals at nato by u.s senators uk media for failing to meet the two percent pledge that as a nato

00:07:47.120 member country canada is expected to meet this requirement of having two percent of the gdp so

00:07:53.440 So there's a lot of scrutiny internationally, unfortunately, faced at Canada because we have

00:07:58.860 failed to meet up to that. And Trudeau is still trumpeting how well our defense spending is going

00:08:05.460 while Minister, Defense Minister Bill Blair, he actually inflated the numbers for the defense

00:08:13.320 spending. They can promise all they like. They've actually got to cut a check at some point.

00:08:18.020 Yeah. And he's not willing to do that. I mean, he's not afraid to spend money on things he likes.

00:08:21.840 when he's dragging his heels on this, his little pointy heels, he honestly just doesn't want to

00:08:27.220 invest in defense. Well, you would think his defense minister, that would be something he

00:08:30.620 likes. Well, his boss is stuck on walking issues. That's right. Well, and so speaking of problematic

00:08:38.240 liberal MPs, we have another liberal MP who is being investigated for conflict of interest.

00:08:44.720 We have the ethics committee calling a special meeting next week, even though parliament is

00:08:50.020 on summer session to investigate Liberal MP Randy Boissoneau. Boissoneau is a major shareholder in

00:09:00.020 a medical supply a medical supplier that was contracted by the federal government during the

00:09:05.220 pandemic era and some partners the business partners were discussing Randy in text messages

00:09:12.900 although Boissoneau denies that it was actually him and says well it must be some other Randy.

00:09:18.180 Well, there's so many Randys out there, it's easy to confuse at all. I'm sure his company has at least 20 Randys with him.

00:09:23.380 Oh, that's right, especially a company of maybe about 20 people in itself, all named Randy.

00:09:29.600 And so going on as well to the spy scandal, so that we saw recently on Parliament Hill last month that conveniently when summer session went on break, the subject wasn't as animatedly discussed.

00:09:45.980 However, the Quebec RCMP is very interested to find out more about the Chinese foreign interference.

00:09:53.600 And they put out a release yesterday saying that they're looking for the public's help to really narrow down where is this Chinese interference coming from.

00:10:03.720 So anyone who's being harassed or threatened by Chinese agents, they're asked to report it to the police.

00:10:11.300 And also law enforcement in Montreal and Long Gai are hosting open forum meetings next week.

00:10:21.200 Or actually, it might even be this week coming up already to inform the public more about the threat of China on Canada.

00:10:29.080 So at least the Quebec RCMP is at least talking about it.

00:10:32.480 We haven't seen as much from our politicians.

00:10:34.380 That's what it's down to, the Quebec RCMP.

00:10:36.260 Well, at least somebody's paying attention.

00:10:38.200 Yeah, that's right.

00:10:39.340 At least someone.

00:10:39.780 I was thinking the same thing.

00:10:41.300 and a couple other things so there's been a global privacy sweep of various apps and websites alberta

00:10:48.340 office of the information and privacy commissioner was in on that sweep and it actually found many

00:10:54.180 deceptive patterns in the way that websites and apps try to get people to put in their personal

00:11:01.380 information so they'll complicate the process for accessing privacy policies they'll delete accounts

00:11:09.060 logging out and you'll have to add more personal information to restore your account so some

00:11:13.700 problems with that and finally corey our alberta power supply we're looking at another threat

00:11:19.300 this week with it's been a hot week here in calgary for the stampede and so now there's

00:11:23.940 some warnings out from the government to lower your use of energy and this comes right on the

00:11:29.620 heels of course as we all know of the water crisis that we faced in recent weeks and the warning of

00:11:36.260 rolling blackouts this past January. It says a lot, you know, we're the richest province in the

00:11:40.740 country in many, many ways, but yet we're suffering these shortcomings. That's right. And Stephen

00:11:44.820 Gabor was trumpeting. Look at that. Alberta has stopped coal use early. Yeah. And now we have

00:11:50.020 blackouts, you pinhead. Yeah. That's a great example, doesn't it? What not to do? Yeah. I mean, 0.96

00:11:55.380 hey, we want to ease off things, but it's just never enough for the climate obsessed. Oh, well,

00:12:00.420 interesting times. People in Calgary are getting pretty grouchy. You can't have your air conditioning,

00:12:03.820 can't have your water, can't flush your toilet more than once. Well, I think we've improved that

00:12:07.920 now. Yeah, now finally. You can set the brown down. That's nice. But boy, what a summer.

00:12:13.400 Yeah, what a summer. Thanks for the updates. I'll let you go find your cowboy hat and carry on with

00:12:17.500 the coverage. Sounds good. Thank you, Corey.

00:12:20.820 So that was Jen Hodgson. Yes, you look, see those very prolific stories from Jen all over the site

00:12:25.820 there. Jonathan Bradley and others, of course, are always putting lots out there and Sean will

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00:13:12.300 All right. Yeah, we got, I don't know. It's just dark comedy watching Justin Trudeau

00:13:19.520 with his behavior in NATO. He knows. I mean, he has to know. They've been upset with him for years

00:13:27.840 And I said in a recent piece I wrote, I mean, this was prior to Justin Trudeau, even Canada's been neglecting to pay its fair share into defense spending for years for multiple governments.

00:13:39.140 And we're not talking about sending more money overseas to other nations.

00:13:42.800 We're just talking about spending that much on our domestic defense so as to be a properly contributing member of NATO.

00:13:50.280 And I know some people get upset with things and everything.

00:13:52.180 I'm not going to go into that whole debate.

00:13:53.800 But I tell you what, NATO is important.

00:13:55.580 Russia is on an expansionist trip right now. And the best defense is to have a strong number of

00:14:03.280 allies properly invested with decent defensive capabilities to at least stand as a, you know,

00:14:12.660 deterrent. Right now, Canada is at like 1.3% of GDP. And what does Trudeau do? He gets up there

00:14:19.080 gives them a lecture on climate change. They don't care. I don't think anybody in Ukraine

00:14:25.180 really cares about what the temperature is tomorrow. They're worried about getting blown 0.54

00:14:29.240 into obliteration. But no, Trudeau lectures him in that tone. Oh, if you really want to torture

00:14:34.860 yourself, listen to his presentation. That wasn't what they wanted to hear. And he's getting

00:14:39.540 pilloried by the UK, by the Americans. Even Cocaine Mitch put a tweet out saying Justin Trudeau

00:14:45.600 Canada, you know, their northern neighbors need to step up and spend what they're obligated to if

00:14:51.780 they want to take part in NATO. Jordan is saying NATO's done for, whatever. You know, the bottom

00:14:56.860 line is, I know there's a lot of debate on that. There's some people who cuckily think that Putin's

00:15:00.140 not a lunatic. But all the same, even if we want out of NATO, fine, but we still should be keeping

00:15:07.600 our defensive forces properly funded and modern and so forth. All right, well, let's get on to

00:15:12.440 our guest on to something different where we've really been making a nice mess nationally too

00:15:15.640 and that's with safer supply i've got adam zivo back i've been looking forward to it thank you

00:15:19.820 very much for joining us again today adam i'm certain we'll be able to hear each other this

00:15:23.240 time right yeah i can hear you just well thanks for having me back on the show so i i mean i've

00:15:28.800 been watching with interest on social media boy you cover a lot of things and it's fantastic out

00:15:33.140 there but the one i do want to discuss has been the the safer supply almost i i say it is a cult

00:15:40.560 like advocacy. I mean, the people who were pushing for this, just the advocates are getting so

00:15:46.400 extreme, I mean, to the point of looking to sabotage conferences, coming after you,

00:15:52.920 and just a refusal to look at the consequences of these policies. What's going on out there, Adam?

00:15:58.660 Well, I mean, it's a long story. But what I have to say is that addiction policymaking in Canada

00:16:03.420 is dominated by a clique of activists and activist minded researchers, who for 20 years

00:16:09.280 have been championing this radical harm reduction ideology that has facilitated countless deaths

00:16:18.480 because we're really not solving this addiction crisis. They claim to be evidence-based. They're

00:16:22.880 often not. Their definition of evidence is quite questionable. For example, many of the studies

00:16:27.840 that they have, which support safer supply, amount to just interviews with drug users who are on this

00:16:33.440 program. And then the answers given to those interviews are framed as objective proof that

00:16:40.000 it's working. So imagine, for example, you go up to a drug user who is receiving free opioids and

00:16:44.200 we say, oh, do you like this program? Is it benefiting you? Are you selling the drugs? And

00:16:48.660 the guy says, oh yeah, it's great. It's wonderful. Of course I would never sell the drugs. And if I

00:16:52.440 do, it's only out of compassion. There's no downsides. And the researchers say, oh yeah,

00:16:56.140 you know what? We're going to believe him. And we need to expand safer supply because this is

00:17:00.420 evidence that this is true, and this is evidence-based policymaking. And it's just absurd.

00:17:05.220 I mean, if it worked, if we could see results, if we could see people's lives really being saved,

00:17:09.280 if we could see a decline in overdoses, a reduction in addiction, I'd support it too.

00:17:14.680 But we're just not seeing it. We're really not. And here's the thing,

00:17:18.320 is that the largest study ever conducted on safer supply was published in January,

00:17:24.700 and it was published in the British Medical Journal, and it claimed that safer supply led

00:17:29.140 to a 55 to 91% reduction in overdose deaths. But I reviewed the evidence and the underlying data

00:17:35.380 with a team of six physicians, all who have a background in addiction medicine, all of whom

00:17:40.020 are distinguished. And we realized that the researchers actually fudged their interpretation

00:17:45.700 of this data. And that when you actually fully filtered out confounding effects

00:17:51.220 and measured long-term outcomes, safer supply had no statistically significant impact on death.

00:17:58.020 So essentially, these researchers found this robust data that showed that safe supply didn't

00:18:03.760 work. And then they misrepresented the data to imply that it did. And I think that that's

00:18:08.600 deeply unethical. Absolutely. But what I don't understand, as I said, is the almost religious

00:18:14.580 like hang up advocates have with it to the point of, again, I was just shocked when you wrote that

00:18:20.600 piece about they were looking to even dye the water in a fountain red or do things like, where

00:18:26.640 are these people coming from? Why are they so fixated on this? I mean, I understand compassion

00:18:31.860 and concern, then why aren't they looking at evidence-based instead of this strange obsession

00:18:37.160 with this? Well, I mean, there's different groups here, right? So I feel the most compassion for the

00:18:41.920 grassroots organizers who are dealing with addiction every single day and who are watching

00:18:46.720 their friends and associates die. That's really traumatizing. We've seen such a rise in death

00:18:53.800 over the past 10 years, that it's understandable that these activists are desperate in a way and

00:18:59.580 they are searching for anything which could potentially save their friends' lives. But when

00:19:05.440 you're in that kind of mind space, sometimes you're willing to make compromises and you are

00:19:11.380 willing to believe, to really delude yourself into thinking that something like Safer Supply

00:19:18.100 is an effective intervention when in reality it's not.

00:19:22.520 I think also there is a lack of understanding

00:19:25.860 of the weakness of the evidence-based and safe for supply.

00:19:29.560 Many safe for supply advocates think that these studies are legitimate,

00:19:34.180 but once again, when you break them down,

00:19:36.120 you find that oftentimes they have really weak methodologies

00:19:38.960 or really strange interpretations of data.

00:19:42.700 Yeah, and some of the stuff we can see is anecdotal,

00:19:45.740 but people getting out and being, you know, on the streets, paradoxically, one of the commenters

00:19:49.500 saying, and yeah, in Calgary's Beltline, I mean, it's just horrific. It's dystopian. And we know

00:19:53.860 that Vancouver, of course, has really been the epicenter of it. But, you know, the failure,

00:19:58.440 unfortunately, of current policies, I don't think anybody's really found a solution yet.

00:20:02.240 We just know there's a tragic, horrific problem of addiction going on out there.

00:20:06.760 But some of it's been exposed. I mean, there was a recent piece, I'm forgetting which one it was

00:20:10.620 now, it was, I think, from the UK. But I mean, it was some photojournalism and some fantastic work

00:20:14.900 just to bring it home for people who perhaps don't get out of the suburbs or don't get out

00:20:18.340 of rural areas just to see how awful and terrible this addiction epidemic is i mean

00:20:23.680 how it's eating people alive out there well i mean that's the thing is that we have to all

00:20:27.540 recognize the fact that this is a real crisis that is taking thousands of lives every single year

00:20:32.900 uh overdose is now over drug-related that's kind of like the leading cause of death uh for youth

00:20:39.380 in BC. And our governments are saying that they're taking this seriously, but they're not.

00:20:46.520 We don't have significant investment into treatment capacity. In BC, for example,

00:20:50.880 it takes a very long time to get into detox. It takes a very long time to get into a rehab center.

00:20:55.940 Same thing in Ontario. In Alberta, it's much better because Daniel Smith has been investing

00:21:01.500 heavily into treatment services, but it's still not where it needs to be. So we constantly talk

00:21:07.220 about this illicit drug crisis and all of these overdoses, but it's really rhetoric. There's no

00:21:12.360 real action here. And even these big interventions like safe supply, people say it's the compassionate

00:21:18.860 thing. Unfortunately, it is actually just the lazy solution. It is the cheap solution

00:21:24.300 because getting people better, giving them the comprehensive supports, the housing supports,

00:21:30.780 the employment supports, the counseling needed for them to reclaim their lives is expensive

00:21:36.420 and complicated. It's much easier and much cheaper just to give people a bottle of pills every day

00:21:42.360 so they can go kill themselves slowly. Yeah. And then not only is it not effective in getting 0.99

00:21:47.760 people off of their addictions that are slowly killing them, when we get diversion of these,

00:21:53.800 the risk now, and there's evidence starting to show that it's actually causing harm. It's creating

00:21:59.040 new addicts, which is even more devastating. I mean, it's bad enough to have a policy that's

00:22:03.080 ineffective but this policy could very well be making things worse oh yeah no though this this

00:22:07.800 the safer supply policy is obviously exacerbating the addiction crisis in canada and so for viewers

00:22:13.640 who haven't been following the safer supplies this idea that we give out pharmaceutical alternatives

00:22:17.800 to elicit street drugs let's say cory gets addicted to fentanyl because he's really stressed you know

00:22:23.160 running this show he needs something to take the edge off uh so cory you're addicted to fentanyl

00:22:28.280 you buy your fentanyl off the street, it could be contaminated with xylozine, with other forms

00:22:33.580 of fentanyl, like carfentanil, which is much stronger. The dosage is unpredictable. So there's

00:22:39.020 easily, you could easily die from buying drugs off the street. So the idea here is that we give you

00:22:44.400 drugs of a known potency and of a known purity, so pharmaceutical drugs, to keep you alive until

00:22:50.600 you're ready to seek treatment. Sure, that sounds great in theory. In practice, though,

00:22:55.980 So the drug we give, hydromorphone, it's as potent as heroin, but fentanyl is 50 times

00:23:02.960 stronger.

00:23:04.140 So Corey, if you get a bottle of hydromorphone and you take it, it's not going to do anything

00:23:07.920 for you.

00:23:08.380 It's too weak.

00:23:09.720 And so you do the rational thing that any person would do in the situation.

00:23:13.820 You sell your hydromorphone at rock bottom prices because you got it for free and you

00:23:18.720 use that money to buy your drug of choice, which is fentanyl.

00:23:21.320 So, not only is this program not mitigating the illicit fentanyl market, it's subsidizing it, and it would actually make more sense for us just to give you cash, right, to buy your fentanyl.

00:23:35.360 But at this point, because you're selling this, you are flooding communities with hydromorphones, so essentially government heroin.

00:23:43.120 And then because experienced drug users don't want it, it goes to people who are opiate naive.

00:23:47.820 It goes to kids.

00:23:49.060 It goes to people in recovery.

00:23:50.960 The kids will take it because they don't know what it is.

00:23:53.600 It's a pill at a party.

00:23:55.020 They're told it's a prescription pain medication.

00:23:57.380 It's safe.

00:23:58.100 It's from the government.

00:23:58.920 Then they get hooked.

00:23:59.840 Then they graduate on fentanyl, and it kills them.

00:24:02.120 This is an absolute disaster.

00:24:04.560 And something else, Jordan, one of my commenters pointed out, which is another thing, you know,

00:24:07.900 we're getting hints of there might be some people with a vested interest in business interests in

00:24:13.080 being part of the dispersal of the safer supply. I mean, that's kind of a different rabbit hole to

00:24:17.900 go down. But unfortunately, some people are finding themselves with a financial interest

00:24:21.540 in the status quo, which is morbid, but another thing to look into.

00:24:25.900 Well, I mean, the problem here is that like clinics can make a lot of money by prescribing

00:24:30.100 safer supply, you have people coming in, you have your patients coming in all the time to get their

00:24:34.180 safer supply prescriptions versus if you put them on sublocate, for example, which is a once a month

00:24:39.300 shot. The pharmacies are making an absolute killing because they dispense the safer supply

00:24:44.420 every single day. So you're charging a dispensing fee every single day for every single patient.

00:24:49.700 One doctor I spoke with estimated that a single pharmacy can make $1 million a year off of 100

00:24:55.860 patients uh so yeah shoppers drug mart for example gave about two million dollars to the bc center

00:25:01.940 for substance use uh to encourage them to create like training programs for safer supply and i

00:25:07.540 think that's a huge conflict of interest uh purdue pharma which was the you know really

00:25:13.300 awful company that was behind the oxycontin crisis and started this whole opioid addiction

00:25:18.180 in the first place this crisis um they produce dilaudid which is the brand version of hydromorphone

00:25:25.220 So they are making a lot of money off of this as well.

00:25:27.680 And I'm aware of the fact that they are currently lobbying some governments about safer supply.

00:25:33.120 I still need to fully investigate that.

00:25:35.660 So, yeah, there's a lot of pharma money involved here, which I think is really concerning.

00:25:39.920 And I guess something that has to be, you know, you put it out as well.

00:25:42.680 I mean, full treatment, the counseling, the housing, the time, it's very expensive.

00:25:47.900 You need facilities, you need trained staff, you need resources.

00:25:51.200 is Alberta's working along that course,

00:25:53.460 but I actually have a family member

00:25:55.640 who's been in and out of rehab once now

00:25:57.600 and it didn't work.

00:26:00.380 It could take multiple visits

00:26:01.920 and they say, yes, you certainly are addicted.

00:26:05.220 You would qualify, come back in 30 days

00:26:07.400 and we'll probably have a bed for you.

00:26:08.720 But unfortunately, living on the streets for 30 days,

00:26:12.000 you know, your chances aren't looking very good at all.

00:26:15.760 But I guess people have to realize

00:26:16.840 that the investment in these facilities too,

00:26:18.520 as expensive as they sound,

00:26:19.680 we're still paying

00:26:20.540 because the person I'm speaking of was in and out of conventional hospitals, chronically in and out

00:26:24.700 of shelters. Often people are in and out of jail. We're paying anyway. So we can spend those dollars

00:26:30.900 better if we're trying at least, even if there's a limited success rate in rehab. But hopefully

00:26:36.900 we're starting to realize that. I mean, in BC, they've gotten rid of the, you know, the scene

00:26:40.600 of reality seems to be sinking into that government. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. As you said,

00:26:45.300 our capacity here is quite limited, right? So if someone has to wait 30 days to get into rehab,

00:26:50.940 then that's going to make it very hard for them to get better because you make that decision,

00:26:55.040 you want to get better, but then you have to wait 30 days. Well, you're going to start using

00:26:58.720 during that period. And then in 30 days, you may not want to go to rehab. It costs a lot to do all

00:27:04.220 of this. As you said, we're already paying a lot. Our healthcare system is strained to the max.

00:27:12.940 And part of it is because we have a small number of severely addicted people who are visiting

00:27:17.840 hospitals again and again and again and again. So it would be fiscally responsible for us to

00:27:25.140 put them in a treatment center instead, and could also improve healthcare access for everyone else.

00:27:31.080 It just makes sense. Yeah, well, it's a large and complicated problem. I mean, part of it, too,

00:27:37.120 is at least letting people know so they can let their representatives know, I mean, how acute it is

00:27:41.900 and encourage them. I mean, I think most compassionate people, when they realize just

00:27:46.940 how bad it's getting would support the investment in rehab and a results-based policy. But I mean,

00:27:53.120 it takes exposure. It takes letting people know, as I said, if they live in the suburbs and don't

00:27:56.640 get downtown, they might not realize how bad it is until it costs them directly. So, I mean,

00:28:01.700 just kind of, you know, to wrap things up, you've been fantastic in covering this and exposing it.

00:28:06.100 Where can people find your work and keep track of what you've been writing on?

00:28:10.480 Well, I mean, I'm a columnist of National Post, so I think you should subscribe to the paper. It's

00:28:13.620 great. There are also many other great writers there. And then on top of that, I run a nonprofit

00:28:19.080 called the Center for Responsible Drug Policy. And we have a little sub stack called Breaking

00:28:24.440 Needles. So you can go find us at www.breakingneedles.com or responsibledrugpolicies.com.

00:28:30.740 Either will give you access to all sorts of great material on addiction that challenges some of

00:28:35.860 these narratives of radical harm reduction that have ruined our country. Well, that's it. I mean,

00:28:41.900 And, you know, just applying some common sense or looking for results.

00:28:45.460 I had a doctor, Monty Ghoshan, he specializes in addiction treatment.

00:28:49.680 And you talked about, you know, we don't have time to go into the whole thing of consumption centers.

00:28:53.700 There was this horrific case of a Vancouver one I saw.

00:28:56.020 It looked like an opium den of old, what it turned into.

00:28:59.760 But the effectiveness of safe consumption is typically only good for about 500 yards, he said, from where the addict is.

00:29:06.760 Otherwise, they're not going to travel that far.

00:29:08.300 and we just don't have the resources to set one up every 500 yards in every major city so we've

00:29:12.900 got to think a little harder on it yeah if we're going to spend the money like rather than spend

00:29:16.840 the money on putting a safe consumption site everywhere we should be spending money on

00:29:20.160 building up treatment uh capacity you know it's a better investment to get people better than to

00:29:26.340 enable their addictions and let them slowly kill themselves absolutely well thank you very much for

00:29:31.000 joining us today adam and for the work you've been doing and exposing this uh i really appreciate it

00:29:36.000 And I hope we can have you on again sometime soon to talk again.

00:29:38.880 Likewise.

00:29:39.400 Thanks for having me on the show.

00:29:40.640 Right on.

00:29:41.240 Thanks.

00:29:41.900 So that was Adam Zivo.

00:29:42.760 As he said, with the National Post, you can see the columns there.

00:29:47.460 And he's prolific on a number of other sites and on X.

00:29:50.160 If you're on there, all the links are available to find the groups and things that Adam's

00:29:54.680 been involved with.

00:29:55.440 It's just such an important and complicated issue.

00:29:58.940 There's no easy answers.

00:29:59.940 That's part of the problem.

00:30:01.520 You know, there's no magic bullet.

00:30:03.040 You know, rehab alone, as I said, it's a difficult thing.

00:30:08.840 You know, people can go in and out of it.

00:30:11.340 It doesn't always work, but it's the best hope we got.

00:30:15.880 And just continuing to maintain, continuing to pretend and act as if these addictions are sustainable.

00:30:21.920 It's not a rational way to approach it.

00:30:26.140 Excuse me.

00:30:27.540 We'll get back to that, though.

00:30:28.400 I see out there, I was going to get a check-in from Sean Polzer, one of our, he writes on our business.

00:30:33.040 and a number of other things speaking of prolific writers he's out on the stampede grounds and uh

00:30:37.600 i know it is roasting hot out there you can see him drinking the water getting ready there so

00:30:41.920 maybe we'll get to to sean there and get an update from the grounds uh and let him get back into

00:30:46.640 somewhere cooler soon hey sean thanks for joining us there how's it going out there i'm doing all

00:30:51.040 right i'm staying hydrated cory scorcher down here oh my god on that hot asphalt and the radiating

00:30:59.840 smell from the carnies i mean it's a difficult thing to be on the uh the midway on a hot day

00:31:07.280 the corn dogs the smell of the corn dogs is over the top my friend there's always that

00:31:13.680 so you just came from a presser there uh yeah there's a press conference a little later this

00:31:19.040 afternoon with uh agriculture minister rj sports and apparently they're going to announce some

00:31:24.000 funding for cattle producers in Alberta. I'm here at the Nutrient Center, which is all things

00:31:31.760 agriculture. It's been taken over by the Alberta Ag, and you'd be pleased to know that there's a

00:31:36.400 display on bees and honey, Corey. You're handing out samples of honey. Well, I've got enough of

00:31:43.520 that for myself, but for others, absolutely. Beekeeping's a fun hobby. Which is to say that

00:31:48.720 But we're here ostensibly to talk about business, right?

00:31:53.560 The $250 million that the Stampede brings into the city.

00:31:57.180 But a lot of people don't realize that it's also a major agricultural fair

00:32:00.440 and a celebration of agriculture in Alberta,

00:32:04.120 which is also a huge business, as you know.

00:32:07.620 And cattle especially.

00:32:08.780 80% of the cattle industry is in Alberta.

00:32:11.100 We're talking, I don't know how many billion dollars at last count,

00:32:14.320 but it's in the tens for sure.

00:32:16.900 Absolutely.

00:32:17.260 So what else do you got to update us on in the business world, John?

00:32:22.060 Well, we had the interesting story about KFC switching over all its products to halal,

00:32:28.880 which seemed to kind of get an interesting response.

00:32:32.260 It's being ruled out in Ontario, but they have plans to spread it out to the rest of the country

00:32:36.400 by the end of the year.

00:32:39.420 And keeping with the agricultural theme, that entails a whole reworking of the supply chain

00:32:44.340 for chicken and and those various meat products that they use so yeah it's a bizarre on i guess

00:32:54.100 uh well i don't know it's a business decision on their part but i don't know if it's really

00:32:57.620 been well received by everybody in general when they hear about it well apparently it is quite

00:33:02.420 common and i i didn't know this but some other chains like uh for instance popeyes is supposed

00:33:06.900 to be halal already i don't i don't know if it's certified normally they put their little certified

00:33:11.060 mark um if you go to the uk um uk is one of the few countries in europe where people do eat a lot

00:33:18.020 of fried chicken but they do tend to be uh muslim so that sounds like it's coming over here um

00:33:24.500 another interesting story we've got um this uh anti-woke activist uh starbuck robbie starbuck

00:33:33.540 down in the states he's already taken down uh tractor supply and now he's going after john deere

00:33:38.660 for their DEI policies and what is it the HRS scores or whatever it is that they do

00:33:48.900 to so in case you missed the story last week tractor supply was forced to back down on

00:33:57.460 green energy diversity inclusion hiring all those various initiatives they get a CEI score

00:34:08.660 which is inclusion for LGBTQ people, you know, and John Deere scored 95 out of 100.

00:34:18.020 If you didn't know, John Deere is one of the oldest publicly trained corporations in the United States.

00:34:23.040 It was founded in about 1837, so the company itself is actually older than Canada,

00:34:27.660 and it is among the largest manufacturers of agricultural equipment around the world. 0.97

00:34:32.400 They're in South America, they're in India, they're all over.

00:34:34.160 yeah well i found it interesting because i think the only thing dumber than going woke for budweiser

00:34:39.560 is going woke for people who use tractors because if you want the least support for dei and woke 0.79

00:34:44.020 garbage and gender pronouns and emails it's probably agricultural producers who are buying 0.92

00:34:49.040 those tractors well all i have to do is look around here 0.95

00:34:52.480 well crazy times but it's good to see a pushback at least you know i mean i think for most consumers

00:35:00.480 and just just give me my product i don't care about all the other stuff just just just just

00:35:05.920 sell me a decent product sure another interesting story that i followed earlier this week was um

00:35:11.600 alberta government's announcement with shell and acco to license the four space for carbon

00:35:17.520 sequestration so um for those who are familiar with the oil patch uh oil companies lease uh you

00:35:26.000 know the subsurface rights to pull the minerals out of the ground and in this case what they're

00:35:30.480 doing is they're leasing the subsurface to take the captured gases from the stockford refinery

00:35:37.680 and put them underground so it's kind of a major shift and whether or not you agree with carbon

00:35:45.760 capture or not the jury is still out on how expensive it is or what the business case is but

00:35:51.440 But, you know, if Shell seems committed to spend $15 billion on it and Alberta government is talking about a $45 billion industry by 2030, there's supposed to be about two dozen more of these projects lined up in the queue.

00:36:05.960 We're talking some pretty substantial investments in some pretty good scale, something like 50,000 jobs.

00:36:12.660 So, I don't know, those sound like pretty good numbers to me.

00:36:15.760 Yeah, well, time will tell if it's effective.

00:36:17.740 I mean, we're a producer, but we've got to keep flexing because we're just embattled on every direction for what we produce.

00:36:23.580 Well, the comment was made is that customers are demanding this.

00:36:27.800 So it'd be like if you're going to McDonald's and, you know, people are getting tired of your watered down Coke and your greasy hamburgers.

00:36:33.560 Maybe you've got to come up with something new to try and keep that business, right?

00:36:38.220 Could be.

00:36:39.280 All right.

00:36:40.360 Well, is that all you got for us today there, Sean?

00:36:43.280 Off the top of my head, unless you just want to talk some numbers here down on the stampede,

00:36:49.200 I'm not sure how many people here, but they're breaking attendance records like crazy. I think

00:36:52.640 there was 150,000 the other day. Today's kids day, so the midway is absolutely packed. This

00:36:57.920 is one of the few quiet places that I could find and also one of the few shady places that I could

00:37:02.160 find to actually come to you. All right. Well, I appreciate the check-in and I'll let you get back

00:37:07.680 to the ag world to get that corn dog into you so that smell doesn't tempt you much longer. Thanks,

00:37:12.720 sean and we'll see you in a while thanks a lot that was an update from sean polzer and yes he

00:37:19.560 writes a lot of our business and energy issues which are very important i mean in the west and

00:37:23.720 in alberta in general so uh yeah and the stampede it is a big people forget that that there if you

00:37:28.580 go to the ag corner of it sometimes people skip the uh the that section they just go to the midway

00:37:35.320 or they go to the the rodeo or the grandstand show but no it's still an old school fair there's still

00:37:40.060 cows and sheep and, you know, livestock up for competition and things like that. There's a lot

00:37:46.840 more to it if you get down there and have a look around. So yeah, it's pretty hot weather, but

00:37:50.980 there's still time if you're in Calgary to get down there and have a look. Oh, you know, I want

00:37:54.760 to get back a bit to some of that talk now about addiction, because I just, as I said, I got a

00:38:00.060 personal connection going on right now with this, and it's problematic and difficult. And it's so

00:38:06.160 rooted and there's so many problems. There's so many facets. As I was saying, there's no magic

00:38:10.260 bullet. There's no one solution. One of the things that really started it and I got to see it

00:38:14.180 firsthand though, it really took it off. You know, they called it hillbilly heroin. It was the

00:38:18.200 the Oxycontin that was going around years ago. I used to survey a lot in the States on oil and

00:38:24.220 gas exploration projects. I was working down about 10 years ago, maybe in West Virginia. Yeah,

00:38:30.280 it is a special part of the world and it's earned its reputation, but I'd actually, I'd messed up

00:38:35.200 with a chainsaw and got a big thorn driven into my forearm. Very uncomfortable. And it went in

00:38:39.360 deep and I couldn't get it out. And you could feel it under there. It was, it was a pretty big thing.

00:38:42.640 So I went to a clinic in West Virginia. How was the name of that town? Weirton? I'm not sure now.

00:38:48.880 It was just a little one on the Ohio river across from Steubenville. And I see this doctor and I'm

00:38:53.100 waiting and I get in. And the first thing, this doctor finally comes into the room and looks at

00:38:57.780 and says, what's your pain level on one to 10? It's not bad. You know, I don't know, three or

00:39:01.800 four. I just want this thing out of here. And he looks at it and says, I can't do anything with

00:39:05.460 that. You've got to go to see an orthopedic surgeon. I don't have time for it. And then

00:39:09.440 before he leaves the room, he says, what's your pain level on one to 10? I said, it's like two

00:39:12.320 or three. I'm fine. So he just hustled out of the room, said he couldn't do anything about it. And

00:39:15.620 I left. As I was filling out the insurance forms, because I was in the States, in the front, I kind

00:39:20.440 of finally realized what this clinic was about. Because while I was in the waiting room, people

00:39:23.920 were coming and going constantly, just in and out, in and out, quick visits. The guy was a pill

00:39:29.600 pusher. He was sure he had his, you know, he was a medical practitioner. He had no interest in

00:39:35.280 actually practicing medicine. He was making his money. These people were all coming in and getting

00:39:39.640 their Oxy prescription slips. And he could quickly charge for that. And because the people coming and

00:39:45.560 going, you can see they weren't sick, they weren't injured, though they were, you know, again,

00:39:48.220 looking like your usual troubled addicts. And this was the crap that was going on in the States. 0.99

00:39:53.200 This is where they're pushing this opioid-based pills. 0.99

00:39:58.340 And I mean, that's all he kept asking me.

00:39:59.820 If I had said my pain level was eight, I'm sure he would have given me a prescription

00:40:02.620 for Oxy or something of the sort quickly enough, Vicodin, God knows what, and help create more

00:40:07.840 addicts.

00:40:08.280 That started to give the base of this North American addiction epidemic, really.

00:40:12.440 And as Adam was talking about, when you're an addict, it's always increasing.

00:40:16.560 You don't get enough of your buzz and it gets more expensive.

00:40:18.740 And now part of the problem is people realize that, you know, and Pfizer and some companies

00:40:22.780 got sued. They got hit hard because of how they were pushing this as a non-addictive substance

00:40:27.840 for the problem. But the addicts didn't go away. And now they couldn't, you know, the doctor pill

00:40:31.940 pushers are still out there, but they're not as quick as many as there used to be. So what do

00:40:35.800 they do? They turn to the streets, of course. And what do you got? You got fentanyl. Now fentanyl,

00:40:39.980 as Adam said, I mean, this is a freight train way more powerful than heroin, cheap, plentiful,

00:40:45.200 easy to find and, of course, terrifically dangerous, very addictive, and it just keeps

00:40:52.260 spreading. It just keeps spreading. And it's funny, we joked about, you know, I might take

00:40:56.980 fentanyl to ease the stresses of this, but I did. They gave me a fentanyl and something else mixed

00:41:02.560 when I had a, well, I'll say it, a colonoscopy a while back. And I tell you what, I mean,

00:41:06.880 under medical supervision, it's a very, very effective drug and, you know, in proper application.

00:41:12.420 I mean, boy, that zonked me out.

00:41:13.600 I mean, considering what they had to go up there and do and take care of

00:41:15.840 and me not remembering a bit of it, that's really effective.

00:41:19.340 But, I mean, if you start self-applying something that potent and that powerful,

00:41:24.040 you're into a catastrophic problem.

00:41:27.360 And, yeah, you know, Paradoxon is saying, yeah, BC is suing Pfizer for pill mills.

00:41:32.260 And you see, these are things, and at the same time, buy safe supply from Pfizer.

00:41:36.520 We've got this closed loop of selling these drugs.

00:41:39.900 It's not going to come easily, the solution to this nightmare, this problem.

00:41:45.360 But for people unfamiliar with addiction, addiction is bloody tough.

00:41:49.620 You've got to remember, I mean, you see people saying, oh, just buck up and stop.

00:41:53.140 Look, guys, it's not like that.

00:41:55.620 It's not.

00:41:56.180 You have to reprogram your brain.

00:41:58.660 You have to change things.

00:42:00.400 Addiction is, by its very nature, irrational.

00:42:04.120 It controls the person.

00:42:05.620 it took me many, many false starts to stop drinking. And I still will crave a drink now

00:42:13.600 and then. You've always got to be on guard. And that's just liquor. I didn't deal with something

00:42:16.900 like fentanyl or meth or some of the other stuff going on out there. It takes a long period of

00:42:22.120 time. It takes a lot of therapy, a lot of work, a lot of help and stability. There's one of the

00:42:27.940 areas where, I mean, again, you see the activists kind of get it and they kind of don't, where they

00:42:32.140 talk about the housing first strategy. We've got to get the addicts housed before we can treat them.

00:42:36.420 So we need more houses, more houses, more houses. Well, not exactly. You're half right. I mean,

00:42:41.800 you can't treat an addict if they're living behind a dumpster or if they're in a tent in a

00:42:46.160 city park. It's very difficult, you know, while they wait to get into a treatment center.

00:42:51.200 The chances of defeating the addiction when they're living in those circumstances are very

00:42:55.520 slim. But when you're talking about long-term housing, because that's what these activists

00:42:59.680 talk about. No, they aren't ready for that either. I mean, if you stick a fentanyl addict in an

00:43:05.540 apartment, they're going to rip the copper wires out of the walls and sell them to get their next

00:43:10.340 fix. They aren't in position for that yet either. We need treatment centers and we need access and

00:43:16.060 we need it fast. That's the thing. When an addict has hit that point, when they've hit that

00:43:21.080 part in their life, they say, I've got to change this. I've got to get out of this.

00:43:24.960 somebody help me please help me and then they say yeah just hang on 30 days it's not going to work

00:43:32.380 very few of them will make it that long but if the facility is there if you can get them in

00:43:38.240 you've got a chance you got a chance and a much bigger chance after treatment i believe it's it

00:43:45.020 depends on which ones you're looking at some after say a 90 day program yeah that's how long it takes

00:43:49.020 to really do it. And you're looking at like 45% stay off it for good. And people say, well,

00:43:55.020 it's, you know, you got 55% aren't. True. But if they're on the streets, their chances of getting 0.99

00:44:01.800 off it are darn near zero. And they're probably going to die. And as well, it's not without cost.

00:44:10.160 Like some people say, well, I mean, there's, I've seen some pretty cold statements. Well,

00:44:13.180 that's the way it goes. You know, Darwinism. Well, no, actually, they're all sons, daughters,

00:44:17.440 cousins, fathers, sisters, they have loved ones. They were people who, you know, came out and got

00:44:23.920 into the wrong rut. And we want to, compassionate conservatism means saving them. And if you want

00:44:29.540 to be a fiscal conservative, it still means treating them. As we said, you got, you know,

00:44:35.660 they're costing anyways. It's very expensive to have an addict in jail. It's very expensive to

00:44:40.360 have an addict in a regular hospital, as well as the shelter system and many other areas.

00:44:47.120 they're still costing. So if we're going to spend all the money, let's try to get them into the

00:44:51.620 places where we can treat them and get them off of that. Even if it's only half of them succeed,

00:44:57.380 it's a heck of a lot better than the success rate if they aren't. And it's huge and it's growing.

00:45:03.480 Ian Leslie saying, I'm surprised you haven't looked into the roots of fentanyl sources. I have,

00:45:06.540 but that's a whole separate show. We can only cover so much. That's what I mean. It's complicated.

00:45:11.320 I mean, reducing the supply and where it's coming from and who's benefiting from it and who's

00:45:15.020 profiting from it, that's another facet of the whole thing as well. Absolutely. But the more

00:45:21.680 immediate and pressing thing are the current addicts, the people you see, the ones on the

00:45:26.140 streets. And there's a lot that you don't see. They haven't hit the streets yet. They're still

00:45:30.560 at home. They're still somewhat functioning with their jobs. But an addiction is a progressive

00:45:35.260 disorder. It's going to get worse and worse and worse. And they're going to end up either dead

00:45:39.000 or on the streets if they don't get treated. So we need rational discussions. We need outcome-based

00:45:46.340 discussions. We need to quit talking about, as Adam said, just feeding it along and pretending

00:45:52.340 we can maintain the addiction for people and people can maintain a life while still taking

00:45:57.940 that stuff. So as long as they get good drugs, there's no good meth. There's no good fentanyl

00:46:02.520 outside of a clinical environment under the supervision of an actual medical professional

00:46:06.580 for a procedure, not for maintaining

00:46:08.780 an addiction. Let's have those

00:46:10.820 discussions. We're paying that price.

00:46:13.220 We're losing people.

00:46:15.460 And it's

00:46:16.780 time that we stop listening to the loony activists 1.00

00:46:18.900 and they are nuts. Let's start looking 1.00

00:46:20.880 at what might actually work. And these guys need help.

00:46:22.940 These gals need help. But we need to help

00:46:24.840 in the right way, not just give them more bloody drugs. 1.00

00:46:27.260 Stupid. God. 1.00

00:46:29.100 If they gave out shooters in my AA meetings,

00:46:31.020 I never would have made it.

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00:46:45.620 today. Tune in a little later. We're going to have the pipeline. We'll break down a lot more issues.

00:46:50.120 I had a good discussion with Minister Todd Lowen a little while ago. There's going to be a video

00:46:53.200 going out about that with the ability to hunt problem grizzly bears in Alberta. It's a bit of

00:46:58.340 an interesting issue going on out here. So thank you all for tuning in. Come back again next week.

00:47:02.780 I promise I won't insult your eyes with more Western wear.

00:47:05.100 We'll be back to normal and we'll cover a whole bunch more new issues then.

00:47:08.060 So thanks again.

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Western Standard - July 11, 2024

Nenshi desperately needs a seat

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