Western Standard - September 30, 2026


No reconciliation without TRUTH

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00:00:00.000 Good evening, I'm Corey Morgan, a columnist with the Western Standard, and you're watching
00:00:28.060 the pipeline. It is National Truth and Reconciliation Day. You probably didn't know
00:00:34.620 because most people in the working world didn't get a day off, but if you're a federal employee,
00:00:38.680 you got a day off with pay so that you could help Trudeau with his virtue signaling exercise. So
00:00:43.000 we're going to talk a little bit about that a little later in the show, but we'll talk about
00:00:47.260 some other things first. I'll kind of start with who I got in the room with me. Next to me is
00:00:51.880 Nigel Hannaford, one of our senior columnists here. As always. Good to hear. And Dave Winnick
00:00:57.560 on the end one of the news churning masters of the pen hey cory how's it going good good and our
00:01:03.260 beleaguered bc reporter out there on the west coast area alex zolton trying to cover the just
00:01:09.860 the many many stories that keep breaking out there thank you for having me yeah thanks so i guess i'll
00:01:15.840 kind of uh start with you there alex uh you got an election going on in bc unexpected or i was kind
00:01:22.200 of expected i guess towards the end but um it it's i don't know just in that whole mess of bc
00:01:29.400 politics you've had going for months now has it apparently resurrected the conservatives that
00:01:34.500 everybody just written off for dead recently yeah actually uh cbc's katie de rosa asked david eby
00:01:40.660 that question at the rip drop uh press conference she said have you effectively united the right and
00:01:45.100 i would say that he has to some extent unwittingly well uh that's something i mean nigel have you
00:01:51.880 see many trends like this i guess you know it takes uh one option to be so odious i guess that 0.68
00:01:57.880 it just kind of rallies everybody else around the other one well i yeah it happens now and then and
00:02:02.900 you know it really bc is the place where it will happen the extremes are so violently opposed to
00:02:09.580 each other that uh for for the years that i worked in bc the rallying crime was not the ndp again
00:02:17.540 do anything to get people together.
00:02:19.640 So I'm not surprised when they realized that they had an election
00:02:24.720 and that it was going to matter what they said and did.
00:02:27.780 I said, OK, let's put our differences aside for a while.
00:02:31.140 And I think five came back the same day after the election was called, as I recall.
00:02:37.780 It was immediate.
00:02:39.440 Yeah, well, good for them.
00:02:40.920 Dave, you may remember, I look at a bit of a parallel.
00:02:43.180 I mean, in how a premier can invoke cynicism among the electorate when they take an opportunistic stance with the late Jim Prentice, he had orchestrated that disastrous floor crossing that turned out to be with Premier Smith.
00:02:58.040 I was actually a campaign manager in the remnants of the Wildrose Party and how battered and bruised we were at that time, but we still came forward and ran.
00:03:05.320 But a lot of what I kind of got was the public was just so soured on the whole process in general, they voted for the NDP because it was a fresh, smiling face, and they were just sick of the rest of us.
00:03:15.900 Well, I think that's exactly it.
00:03:16.920 And you look at Eby's policies and everything, obviously, with the land claims and what have you.
00:03:21.000 And I think the whole debacle with the conservatives kind of imploding there for a bit, I can't remember what the polls are, Alex, right now, but it looks like they have a very good chance of actually winning this because of Eby calling the election.
00:03:30.840 So this whole thing might have just because EB basically just shot himself in the foot, possibly with this whole thing.
00:03:36.060 And, you know, the Conservatives can come out of this actually possibly winning, despite it looking just, what, a few weeks ago, like they were just totally just imploding completely and utterly.
00:03:43.440 And it's just so surreal, the whole thing every day.
00:03:46.160 I just have no idea what to expect every single day.
00:03:49.100 Yeah.
00:03:49.260 So there was an Angus re-poll that came out last week, or maybe it was earlier this week.
00:03:53.220 It's hard to keep track of these things now, but it had the Conservatives up eight points.
00:03:57.220 It was the first major national polling data since the rip drop.
00:04:01.480 And then Leger actually came out with a poll as well this morning that had the conservatives up by three points, if I recall correctly.
00:04:06.740 Yeah, that was the one I was thinking of, yeah.
00:04:08.640 Yeah, it's a very hard argument to make that, you know, the conservatives may be in a bit of a mess, but that's no reason to vote for the NDP.
00:04:19.340 You know, because the NDP has a terrible record of government for the last four years, and you have to say almost anything's better than what Mr. Eby is doing, because you know what he's doing, and you know the direction he's going, and if you don't like it, well, at the very least, you would vote for somebody else just to get him off that rail.
00:04:43.340 Well, if your day seems up with enough candidates, though, you could still end up putting the NDP in, even if everybody's tired of all of them.
00:04:49.780 So, Alex, some of the trying to keep track of the candidates coming, the candidates going, trying to rush, I guess, nominations or putting people in so they aren't stepping on each other's feet.
00:05:00.740 What's going on with 1BC?
00:05:03.420 Yeah, so 1BC, last time I checked, had 10 candidates running.
00:05:07.120 I think one of them may drop out.
00:05:08.920 I'm not at liberty to say who at this point.
00:05:10.920 They said originally that they had 93 candidates, one for each riding, but they have since said that they will not run in eight particular ridings against what they call principled conservatives.
00:05:21.500 They tend to be Carrie Lynn Finley loyalists.
00:05:24.700 So that's a very interesting ideological line in the sand.
00:05:29.400 OK, well, and then 1BC is not going to get a slate together large enough, I guess, you know, to contest for government.
00:05:37.300 So, I mean, the position they're in is running for opposition.
00:05:39.980 That kind of puts you in a weak spot when you go to the polls anyways.
00:05:43.720 Yeah, absolutely.
00:05:44.720 I think that the bigger vote split threat, though, at this point, at least based off of the Leger poll that came out this morning, is on the left.
00:05:51.380 So the Green Party is polling at around 13%, if I remember correctly.
00:05:55.100 So they seem to be cannibalizing significantly the NDP vote share.
00:05:59.720 They are likely to run as little or as few candidates as 1BC, however.
00:06:04.360 So it remains to be seen how much of an impact they'll have.
00:06:08.060 that's quite something i mean you know what do you think nigel though can the conservatives hold 0.81
00:06:14.260 it together for another four weeks yes i think they can i mean the motivation to do so is extreme
00:06:20.000 now i realize we we principled conservatives can always find an excuse to differ with each other
00:06:26.180 but well maybe i've been out of bc too long to really know for sure but it does seem that the
00:06:33.220 the choice is so clear
00:06:35.440 if you want another four years
00:06:37.160 Mr. Eby and the policies
00:06:39.660 that he has advanced
00:06:41.500 which have put the BC
00:06:42.580 debt spiraling upwards
00:06:45.660 you know
00:06:47.460 usually debts spiral
00:06:48.740 downwards but this case
00:06:51.300 way it goes
00:06:52.920 you know you could vote for that but why would you
00:06:55.880 you know almost better to
00:06:57.240 scrap that lot and start again so yes
00:06:59.540 I think BC
00:07:01.240 Conservatives will
00:07:03.440 overall put it together.
00:07:05.700 There's also a lot of sensible people
00:07:07.480 in B.C. once you get outside
00:07:09.540 the downtown core
00:07:11.460 of Vancouver.
00:07:13.480 That's true. I'm in the Okanagan right now.
00:07:15.360 They say it's the nicest part of Alberta.
00:07:18.660 There you go.
00:07:20.560 So, I mean,
00:07:21.340 they almost kind of accidentally fell into what
00:07:23.280 appears to be a very effective interim
00:07:25.320 leader who's been serving quite well so
00:07:27.340 far, though. He's shown more
00:07:29.160 I think life and in a dynamic role than he had in past incarnations. And that sort of helps them
00:07:35.920 too. I mean, they're not somebody who's just sitting as a placeholder in this campaign.
00:07:39.600 Yeah, absolutely. We had mentioned this a little bit and gone over it a little bit on the last
00:07:43.580 episode of the pipeline, but Lauren Dirksen coming into the leadership role has really
00:07:47.320 thrown a wrench into the NDP's plans. Their entire campaign was modeled on running against what they
00:07:52.480 called a mega regional manager, referring to Carrie Lynn Finley. I still don't know what
00:07:56.220 that phrase means but lauren dirksen is by all measures not a true blue conservative and of 0.99
00:08:04.200 course some people on the further right of the center uh find that to be a dislikable element
00:08:10.440 of his political career but he receives um great regards on both sides of the aisle in the
00:08:16.040 legislature they hold him in high regard even amongst the ndp members of the legislature so
00:08:20.660 So the entire NDP game plan has been thrown on its head.
00:08:25.840 Well, that's good for the conservatives in a sense.
00:08:28.220 But I mean, part of the game plan, you know, and Dave,
00:08:30.360 like we've seen this, President Trump has offered
00:08:34.240 a great foil for the left.
00:08:36.240 You know, they're not campaigning against locally even.
00:08:38.740 I mean, Mark Carney rarely ever mentions
00:08:41.660 or even acknowledges Paulieff because he campaigns
00:08:44.160 against Trump.
00:08:45.820 Now, maybe he's trying the same thing,
00:08:47.160 but I don't know if he's been getting the same result.
00:08:49.340 It doesn't seem like that. I don't really know what EB is going to do to blame anything on Trump, like his health care problems and health care costs in B.C. Trump's fault. It's even the same with Carney. I've never understood how people can look at how it's Trump's fault that everything has gone bad in the last decade in Canada. Is it Trump that was responsible for our immigration laws and policies? No.
00:09:07.920 is he responsible for any of the health care costs or anything no or the spending or the debt no so
00:09:11.540 it's it seems overall that basically just well so far the media in the last few years and whatnot
00:09:17.960 with eb and carney is basically just really somehow managed to get everyone on their sides
00:09:22.580 without them really doing anything but i think in eb's case especially with the whole land claim
00:09:26.100 thing just putting everything up in the air in bc i think that's really going to come and backfire
00:09:30.360 on him and basically at the same time like we were saying earlier can the conservatives
00:09:33.900 keep it together for four weeks?
00:09:35.580 I think they can in the sure chance
00:09:36.780 that they know there's a good possibility
00:09:38.440 that they might have power
00:09:39.600 just fall right into their lap here
00:09:40.960 because people are so sick of Eby and the NDP,
00:09:43.480 like Nigel said.
00:09:44.720 So I've got to ask, actually, Alex,
00:09:47.800 I mean, there's more to it
00:09:49.060 than just what people think.
00:09:50.400 What's the organizational capacity
00:09:52.640 of these conservative nomination ridings?
00:09:57.900 Can they get out the vote?
00:10:00.320 I believe that they can.
00:10:01.840 And it's, I don't know, maybe I'm going back a little bit too far.
00:10:06.140 But in 2024, one of the reasons the conservatives were as successful as they were, depending on how you do the math, they were either between one and three seats of winning the election, was they were riding on the magic carpet of Justin Trudeau's profound unpopularity.
00:10:19.960 And actually, Pierre Polyev was quite popular.
00:10:21.820 The story I love to tell is somebody was saying that they were door knocking for the BC conservatives in 2024.
00:10:27.400 And it was actually a common response.
00:10:29.640 people would say well i hate trudeau and i love paul yeah so i'll absolutely vote for you and then
00:10:33.660 the two door knockers would look at each other they say should we tell them we're a different
00:10:37.080 level of government and they said no forget it they said they're voting for us so what's awesome
00:10:42.840 like very very strange for me and a little bit surreal is that there seems to now be a decoupling
00:10:47.900 of perception between the federal conservatives and the provincial conservatives so this election
00:10:52.140 is a little bit different i'm not entirely sure why well that's but just to a weirdness though
00:10:58.100 you used to have liberals and liberals too yeah absolutely and just to piggyback off of david's
00:11:02.720 point about the whole donald trump thing i i don't know why i'm giving so much credit to cbc
00:11:07.740 journalists clearly i'm too busy and i've lost my mind but mo amir who's another i think talented
00:11:13.340 journalist with the cbc he said that carney owns the trump file david eby is just renting it
00:11:18.580 and i think that that's actually a really smart way of looking at it because when you think about
00:11:22.380 it and in terms of dollars and cents i mean the federal government is the level of government
00:11:26.960 that has carriage over trade.
00:11:28.780 So what is David Eby even going to do
00:11:31.480 in terms of stabilizing Canada
00:11:33.260 in the face of this existential threat?
00:11:35.100 He's not going to end the trade war
00:11:36.660 by taking American liquor
00:11:38.200 off of BC liquor store shelves.
00:11:40.400 I mean, the whole thing 0.98
00:11:41.100 is just patently ridiculous. 0.95
00:11:43.480 Well, and to be fair to the CBC, 0.97
00:11:45.200 I mean, I did a CBC radio spot yesterday.
00:11:47.380 I'm doing another one tomorrow.
00:11:48.620 Their hosts are actually
00:11:49.580 usually very professional and gracious.
00:11:51.480 I just don't know if anybody's
00:11:52.180 listening to them anymore,
00:11:53.360 but I still don't turn down the requests.
00:11:56.340 I guess just the final thing on this,
00:11:57.980 so kind of that turning point, I think,
00:11:59.440 maybe, though, was, as you keep mentioning,
00:12:01.200 that whole land claim thing.
00:12:02.320 That was kind of really where things got overstepped.
00:12:04.060 Even the most dedicated of champagne socialists,
00:12:06.960 when you're in your $3 million home in Vancouver
00:12:09.480 and suddenly it looks like you might lose it.
00:12:11.240 And you voted for it.
00:12:11.820 You're going to reevaluate who's leading your product.
00:12:14.340 Absolutely.
00:12:15.540 And, you know, it's not just leading it.
00:12:17.820 It's trying to get any credit on that chap.
00:12:21.700 The chap I just had him staying in the house here recently.
00:12:24.560 family visiting, they want to do
00:12:27.420 major renovation on their house
00:12:29.060 and
00:12:30.660 these are people who can well afford
00:12:33.580 it, but the bank
00:12:35.440 is a little
00:12:36.680 reluctant to put the money out there
00:12:39.240 because they just don't know
00:12:40.900 which layer of title
00:12:43.420 the fee simple or the
00:12:45.360 aboriginal title
00:12:46.860 as demanded 0.51
00:12:49.400 by the federal government is going to come out on top
00:12:51.680 so you know, how do you
00:12:53.440 How do you collect when you don't know who to collect from?
00:12:56.460 So it's not just the sale.
00:12:58.840 It's also to the degree that your house is a repository of credit.
00:13:03.960 Well, you can thank Mr. Eby for pushing that along.
00:13:07.080 I mean, you can also thank Ottawa.
00:13:08.980 Let's not blame Mr. Eby for what...
00:13:11.460 Mr. Eby's a bad guy.
00:13:12.000 Yeah, but I mean, the thing is, he has taken it, seized it, owned it,
00:13:17.660 said this is a good thing gone down to the to the to the meetings and put on the put on the
00:13:26.680 feathers and you know he has identified with that well all right well if you're identifying with
00:13:32.580 that point of view this is what goes with it and people are going to hold you accountable for it
00:13:38.480 i think people didn't realize the tangible downside of drippa they didn't pay attention
00:13:42.760 to politics or realize what this sort of 0.99
00:13:44.820 crap leads to. 0.99
00:13:46.300 It's not just virtue signaling. It leads to 1.00
00:13:48.760 legal precedent. And they saw,
00:13:50.840 holy cow, this is what's happening.
00:13:53.320 And Eby has
00:13:54.260 talked around it, I think, didn't he, Alex? But he's
00:13:56.700 not going to repeal
00:13:58.780 it. So it kind of leaves
00:14:00.720 him in a hard spot. Well, he actually
00:14:02.800 did want to, I believe, axe part
00:14:04.720 of the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
00:14:06.820 Act, which was Section 7.
00:14:08.740 But he didn't have the votes because
00:14:10.860 John Philip, who tragically passed away,
00:14:12.540 just recently she said that she would not vote according to party lines on that so that is one
00:14:18.680 of his ulterior justifications if you will for having this election in the first place
00:14:23.260 he's not as pro drippa as necessarily he's characterized as even he knows that it just
00:14:28.520 makes the province entirely uninvestable well so i mean if you know people in bc are dejected and
00:14:34.380 upset and worried about the political situation they now have the opportunity though to a plethora
00:14:39.100 of heroin, meth, and fentanyl dealers because it's a charter right for people on the street
00:14:43.660 to supply you with drugs.
00:14:44.840 What the hell's going on out there?
00:14:47.620 Oh, yeah.
00:14:48.240 I could talk about this one all day.
00:14:49.680 So I've been covering this case for over a year.
00:14:52.360 It relates to a group called the Drug User Liberation Front, which is really just two
00:14:56.660 individuals for the most part.
00:14:58.260 They do have some support, however, at the ground level.
00:15:00.260 Their names are Jeremy Calicum and Aris Nix.
00:15:03.140 I would describe Calicum as profoundly normal and Aris Nix as profoundly abnormal.
00:15:07.260 and basically what they decided, I can get into a little bit of the human element of this because
00:15:12.720 I think it's relevant. Calicum was a chemist by trade and he had a PhD if I'm not mistaken
00:15:18.360 and he had a friend or family member who was a cocaine addict and so he came up with the idea
00:15:26.280 to buy and procure cocaine off of the dark web and then test it for purity so that he could provide
00:15:31.180 it to this individual so that they wouldn't overdose on fentanyl and benzodiazepines cut
00:15:35.900 into the cocaine. And he was so successful at this that I believe this Eris Nix individual
00:15:41.660 approached him and said, why don't we do this en masse? And so they went to the provincial 0.98
00:15:45.660 government and they said, we would like to procure cocaine, heroin, and crystal meth off of the dark
00:15:51.020 web, test it for purity, and then sell it at cost at the downtown east side. And the provincial
00:15:55.300 government said, we think this is a great idea. So they gave them $200,000 and three tranches of
00:16:00.520 funding to do this. And they also, I'm referring to Dolphin again, they went to the Vancouver
00:16:05.940 Police Department and presented them with a PowerPoint presentation explaining what they
00:16:10.460 were going to do. They were completely above board. They didn't want to get in trouble.
00:16:14.400 But then ironically, the provincial government, after an Economist article created a social uproar
00:16:19.080 over their project, they were shut down by the Vancouver Police Department. And these two
00:16:23.420 individuals were charged on three counts each for trafficking the cocaine, heroin and crystal meth.
00:16:29.820 Now, of course, because they did everything above board, the judge had no choice really but to declare them guilty of the crime.
00:16:35.620 But then they did what they call a charter challenge in the B.C. Supreme Court.
00:16:41.120 And they challenged their convictions on these three counts of drug trafficking on account of two charter infringements.
00:16:47.520 The first charter infringement is on Section 7, which is Canadians' right to life, liberty and security of person.
00:16:53.360 So they said that depriving drug addicts of the right to clean drugs and pretested drugs is an abridgment of that right.
00:16:58.840 And they also challenged it under Section 15 of the Charter, which protects Canadians against unfair discrimination, in this case on the basis of disability, with the disability being severe substance abuse disorder.
00:17:12.820 So essentially, though, they have ruled now that there's a charter right to, quote unquote, and I put that in quotes, clean street drugs.
00:17:20.400 I mean, is there really such a thing as clean meth or fentanyl for you?
00:17:23.900 I understand in medically controlled environments, you can apply fentanyl.
00:17:27.980 I mean, it helped me through my colonoscopy magnificently.
00:17:30.260 But, you know, there's no safe street application of these drugs.
00:17:34.660 No, and the unfortunate thing about it, there's a number of unfortunate things about it.
00:17:39.280 But if they are buying off the dark web, they are buying from the same people who are creating the problem in the first place.
00:17:49.300 I mean, where do you think this stuff comes from?
00:17:53.900 So, first of all, they're going to have a constant quality control problem,
00:17:58.920 and fair enough, they can probably manage that.
00:18:01.520 But you're supporting the people who are trying to kill you.
00:18:08.080 You know, with this, it makes no logical sense.
00:18:13.640 And the right to security of the person can be met a different way.
00:18:19.760 You can do what Alberta does and try to root people into treatment.
00:18:23.900 mandatorily
00:18:25.340 and see if you can
00:18:27.840 clean them up. Like that's an honest way
00:18:29.860 that's admitting there's a problem, now you're going to deal with it
00:18:32.020 this by whatever
00:18:33.860 way you want to call
00:18:36.060 it is just feeding the
00:18:37.900 same problem and
00:18:39.780 Lord knows the provincial government
00:18:41.660 tried
00:18:42.140 and you know the BC government
00:18:46.020 was
00:18:46.320 all that was happening was they were giving out pure drugs
00:18:49.840 and people were taking them out on the street and selling them
00:18:52.020 which possibly happened here as well.
00:18:54.820 The story doesn't have any details about that,
00:18:57.140 but it's certainly an ongoing consideration.
00:19:00.080 Actually, one of the funnier things that came up in the court proceedings,
00:19:03.840 because I attended some of them in person,
00:19:05.640 this goes back all the way to last summer, if I'm remembering correctly.
00:19:08.960 It's been a long time that this has been in the courts.
00:19:11.600 But they said one of the reasons that they procured the drugs off of the dark web
00:19:14.760 is, number one, they couldn't get beaten up and robbed,
00:19:17.480 doing it off of the dark web.
00:19:18.680 And number two, if they received the drugs and the drugs were not of a sufficient purity level, they could go back to the seller and get a refund.
00:19:26.620 Well, you know, price guarantees, that's a sense, I guess.
00:19:30.020 I mean, I believe in that world, getting a refund usually involves having to go to their place with a shotgun.
00:19:36.100 Yeah, and I hate to be pedantic about this, but when it comes to the law, I think it's important to be precise.
00:19:42.020 So the judge did not say that there is a constitutional right to drug trafficking.
00:19:46.020 What she did say, however, is that Section 5.2 of the Controlled Drug and Substance Act
00:19:50.580 is unconstitutional.
00:19:52.420 And the reason that she says it's unconstitutional is that there is no licit source for these 0.98
00:19:58.280 drugs.
00:19:59.280 So one of the failures or one of the shortcomings, I guess you could say, of safe supply, if
00:20:04.220 you even accept that term, is that the potency of fentanyl is so high as compared to the
00:20:09.980 potency of a drug like Dilaudid that the drug addicts just don't even want the Dilaudid.
00:20:14.480 They just end up selling it on the street so that they can buy fentanyl.
00:20:18.000 So Dolph was meant to kind of bridge a gap between the high potency fentanyl and the low potency pharmaceutical grade heroin is what I call it.
00:20:25.540 And so that bridging of the gap was street heroin pretested to ensure that they didn't die of a fentanyl overdose from doing too much of the heroin.
00:20:33.340 And apparently the judge found this very persuasive and she approved.
00:20:36.500 You know, I'm prepared to accept, Alex, that these gentlemen were motivated by the best of intentions, but in the end, it is still a breach of the law, and it's not a breach of the law that has to happen in order for somebody to receive justice.
00:20:56.860 There are other ways to do that.
00:21:00.300 And having a right to receive a drug, which is illegal, is just, you know.
00:21:07.180 It's contradictory.
00:21:08.220 It's a self-contradiction.
00:21:09.860 Well, it is.
00:21:10.260 That's what I was trying to figure out, what the judge's thinking was.
00:21:12.400 Because she had to have known this is going to set a huge precedent.
00:21:14.720 Now people are just going to poke holes in this constantly.
00:21:16.420 She's just opened a massive can of worms now.
00:21:18.680 It's just, I just have no idea what it really was.
00:21:21.640 Even if it is partially unconstitutional still, it's like you have to know in this ruling what you're doing, basically.
00:21:26.800 What's going to come now?
00:21:27.820 Concept of enablement.
00:21:29.280 And they've got to get clear with it.
00:21:30.680 Look, I'm a veteran of the oil field of the 90s.
00:21:33.160 I went through my Coke phase.
00:21:34.400 That was a rite of passage with it.
00:21:36.300 I mean, I've had to recover from a number of my shortcomings with addiction.
00:21:40.240 And one of the worst things with Coke back then, thankfully, fentanyl wasn't in it and things like that.
00:21:45.320 You know, they'd cut it with baby laxative, which would lead to a terrible experience with you after your indulgence.
00:21:51.180 But it wouldn't kill you.
00:21:52.340 But you might want to wish you were dead after a couple hours in the bathroom. 0.70
00:21:55.080 But getting me more clean Coke wouldn't encourage me to move away from it.
00:22:00.780 It would just make me double down and say, I know I can get Coke blown out.
00:22:04.180 Yeah, it's good stuff.
00:22:04.740 We're going to have a really good Friday night and I won't crap myself the next day.
00:22:08.020 I mean, you know, not to say it should be there as a disincentive anyways.
00:22:11.700 I'm just saying that this enablement idea is not leading anybody away from the drug use.
00:22:16.840 And isn't that supposed to be what the intent is?
00:22:18.880 You would think.
00:22:19.960 Well, you, I mean, yes, you would think that that would be the intent.
00:22:23.680 i wonder if it is could be well well one of the more shocking elements of this case that i think
00:22:29.840 went maybe um less understood than it should have is the crown in this case that was challenging
00:22:35.980 the charter challenge had said to the judge we should just hold these convictions we should stay
00:22:42.160 them and then maybe rewrite the law to include cocaine heroin and and methamphetamine but the
00:22:48.080 judge went further she actually went further than the dolph kids themselves she said that this
00:22:52.060 should apply to all drugs. So that includes fentanyl, carfentanil, nidazines, drugs that
00:22:56.600 are even more potent than fentanyl is. And so this is actually one of the funnier things about the
00:23:01.780 verdict decision yesterday, when the judge read out the decision, this Harris Nix individual
00:23:05.860 who had just had their conviction stayed, she said to the judge right after, she says,
00:23:10.220 so when should we expect the appeal? So nobody expects this to go unappealed. It's almost
00:23:17.500 certain that the Crown will appeal it, it'll go to the BC Supreme Court, or sorry, the BC Court of
00:23:21.780 appeal and then likely um will take leave to the supreme court of canada i think it's when you say
00:23:27.300 something like that alex it encourages the listener to think yeah okay well this is crazy
00:23:32.060 but it'll get sorted out maybe it won't sometimes the further up the ladder you go the more horrified
00:23:38.720 you are by the tenor of the decisions that come out of it well that's multiple minds on it so
00:23:44.260 that's true i mean the the bc supreme court judge in this case her name is um justice katherine
00:23:50.200 Murray, she has given Parliament six months to change the law. And I don't know what that law
00:23:55.880 necessarily or that change of the law necessarily looks like. But to me anyway, as a reasonable
00:24:01.200 compromise, I think somebody that sells untested street drugs as opposed to street drugs that are
00:24:07.280 tested should face maybe a more severe punishment because the likelihood of the purchaser dying of
00:24:12.060 an overdose is significantly higher. So if that's the compromise that is raised or that arrives as
00:24:19.560 a result of this decision, then I actually think that that might be a benefit.
00:24:25.040 Ironies of these courts, it wasn't common sense. My ordeal yesterday in the courts was that they
00:24:30.540 wouldn't allow me to use a Section 7 defense. And now we're going to end up appealing it to
00:24:35.780 a higher court because it was an absurd contention that I'm not allowed to abide by the charter. But
00:24:41.360 on the other end of it, the charter has been applied and in a way that just seems maybe not
00:24:45.120 to be where the intent was to begin with.
00:24:47.720 That's why judges make the big bucks, I guess.
00:24:49.700 Let's just hope they make some good decisions.
00:24:51.500 I hope.
00:24:51.940 But I mean, in the end, to Alex's point,
00:24:54.480 ultimately the idea is to get people off drugs,
00:24:58.500 not to make it safer for them to be on drugs.
00:25:03.600 And I mean, the only other thing you could say is,
00:25:06.720 well, actually, drugs is fine,
00:25:08.700 and if people want to do that,
00:25:10.200 they should be allowed to, and they should be safe.
00:25:12.040 I don't know whether that's a position
00:25:13.460 we want to take as a society.
00:25:15.120 The addiction epidemic's horrific, and it's beyond anything we've seen in the past.
00:25:18.880 And that fentanyl is just so plentiful, so powerful.
00:25:22.060 I want to fill a window over there and see a whole bunch of people out in the parking lot every day.
00:25:26.080 I can understand people trying anything they can.
00:25:28.660 I just want to see results-based rather than empathy, I guess.
00:25:33.340 I was just going to say, yeah, a message to our listeners, don't do drugs.
00:25:39.600 The best way to avoid having an overdose, obviously, is to just exercise abstinence and not do drugs at all.
00:25:45.900 That's the statement.
00:25:46.900 But, you know, people fall into it without intent.
00:25:49.140 And then, you know, they have to deal with that addiction and sickness later.
00:25:52.820 And it only gets harder with time if they survive long enough.
00:25:55.900 Either way, I know you've got more to cover.
00:25:58.280 Mr. Eby is going to be going out for a truth and reconciliation thing and other such things.
00:26:05.160 So anything you want to let us know before you go there?
00:26:07.500 No, thank you guys for having me, as always.
00:26:09.800 And I look forward to providing more updates as the day goes on.
00:26:13.080 Great, thanks.
00:26:13.600 Because we need those updates from BC, man, because they don't make sense to us. 0.89
00:26:16.160 You guys are crazy out there. 0.77
00:26:17.660 Well, thank you. 0.97
00:26:18.320 At least we produced something entertaining.
00:26:20.660 Absolutely.
00:26:21.300 All right.
00:26:22.060 Thanks.
00:26:22.480 We'll talk again soon.
00:26:23.720 So long, Alex.
00:26:24.260 Talk soon, man.
00:26:25.300 All right.
00:26:26.520 Yeah, that drug thing.
00:26:27.660 I mean, as you said, we could look out our window.
00:26:28.980 It's not unique to BC or any.
00:26:30.080 It's in North America.
00:26:31.180 Every country, yeah.
00:26:32.720 It does seem to be a little worse than BC.
00:26:34.960 See, I just had a look at the numbers before I came on the show, and I mean, they go up and down,
00:26:39.920 but they're usually sort of in the 2,300 to 2,500 range.
00:26:43.700 Here in Alberta, it's about 1,000 less than that.
00:26:46.660 Vancouver's always been a hub, though.
00:26:47.960 East Hastings is notorious for heroin, even in the 80s.
00:26:50.940 I was going to say, I think that's because it's on a major port, I assume.
00:26:53.480 It's all coming in from foreign countries, possibly.
00:26:55.300 I don't know.
00:26:55.740 I think there's some of that.
00:26:56.560 That's it.
00:26:57.040 I think that people tend to drift west.
00:26:59.760 Yeah, because, I mean, that are winter.
00:27:02.220 You're better up.
00:27:03.120 We're going to freeze up.
00:27:04.040 But I mean, then that's what happens to a lot of the addicts here too, as they freeze to death.
00:27:09.080 Yeah, I've seen that firsthand a couple of times, actually.
00:27:11.960 As I said, I'm just like you said, I was foolish in my youth and dabbling in some things I shouldn't have consumed.
00:27:17.060 Thankfully, I guess none of those awful things like fentanyl were on the menu at that time in my period.
00:27:23.460 It's never a good idea to make it easier to do drugs.
00:27:28.100 No, and that's what it is.
00:27:28.920 And I'm not faulting those individuals.
00:27:30.540 They may be genuinely motivated by compassion, as they claim.
00:27:34.040 I mean, different strokes for different folks, but in the end, it's not a good thing to make it easier for people to get drugs where they're very pure or adulterated.
00:27:44.120 The enablement thing.
00:27:45.040 I mean, BC, even EB had to back off on them.
00:27:47.060 It was the government of BC who asked for the decriminalization of the hard drugs, and the federal government obliged them.
00:27:52.060 And, of course, addictions skyrocketed, so they realized, again, good intentions doesn't matter.
00:27:58.280 The outcome was wrong, and they backed off.
00:28:00.320 But these enablement battles are still obviously going on.
00:28:04.040 I can't believe anybody actually wants to be on drugs.
00:28:09.020 No, it's not like you see those addicts.
00:28:10.900 We see them when we're walking here and so on.
00:28:12.360 It's not like they're living happily and having a good life or anything else.
00:28:15.560 I'm certain if they could flick a switch and lose the compulsion,
00:28:19.520 they would be the first person to do so.
00:28:22.200 I mean, addiction is a bizarre thing.
00:28:24.180 I understand it.
00:28:26.380 Most people can't break out of it without help and some treatment and support
00:28:30.380 and a lot of things, and that's expensive.
00:28:31.900 It's time consuming and the irony of it is a person's not in their right mind when they're
00:28:37.900 in the throes of addiction and you need them to be in their right mind to make that
00:28:41.000 determination that it's time to go through the process to get out of it.
00:28:45.040 It's, it's a, well, that's where we're talking about forced intervention, maybe to
00:28:49.000 a separate discussion.
00:28:51.420 We will agree, but I feel take somebody in when they're on that, when they're at that
00:28:55.280 final stage, when they're on the street, when the sores are erupting on them, they're
00:28:58.300 out of control, detox them for a month.
00:29:01.300 Yeah, that's where it'll take a month of medically watched detox
00:29:05.200 that hopefully they get into their right mind by the end of it, 0.74
00:29:07.640 and then you can actually try a treat.
00:29:09.460 Well, I recall some months ago, Corey, that you conjured up the image
00:29:13.420 of somebody laying on a park bench in a pool of their own urine,
00:29:16.420 you know, in low temperatures.
00:29:18.500 And you said, like, how can you say that that person has agency,
00:29:22.580 an agency that would be worth respecting?
00:29:25.320 The only thing you can do with that is rescue that person.
00:29:29.200 Yeah.
00:29:29.340 And, you know, because it's drugs, there seems to be a reaction among some people who, well, they've got a right to do it if they do.
00:29:38.040 Well, you know what?
00:29:39.300 They've got a right to just, what do you do with somebody, never mind drugs, who's just laying injured?
00:29:48.460 Under the Mental Health Act, hit by a car, you rescue them.
00:29:51.720 Yeah.
00:29:52.260 And under the Mental Health Act, in every province, it's the same sort of provisions.
00:29:56.300 Yes.
00:29:56.600 If a person can be proven that they're going to hurt themselves or others, they can be taken and held because of that risk.
00:30:03.600 Even if they haven't committed a crime, applying the same logic to the person addicted.
00:30:08.460 If a person is standing out there stabbing themselves with a knife, they're going to be taken and restrained and moved away from it.
00:30:14.100 But if they're smoking that deadly substance in a glass pipe, we're saying, let's get you a better pipe so you don't burn your lips while you're at it.
00:30:20.500 They're not applying the right.
00:30:21.940 No.
00:30:22.180 I was going to say, did they ever do that?
00:30:23.580 like restrain people that did drugs like addicts we see in the streets like say 30 40 years ago i
00:30:27.640 don't know they was there ever any policies like that the addiction wasn't like that no i guess
00:30:31.700 not no 34 years ago it was weed yeah heroin but i was just doing the amount yeah i mean i remember
00:30:38.060 in calgary used to go in edward by the the national hotel by the end of the 80s early 90s
00:30:43.740 and that's where the few amount of addicts you would really see you know the heroin folks would
00:30:49.060 hang out there and in the rough condition they would be in but it was just a tiny amount then
00:30:53.180 you'd had some drunkards and whatnot but it wasn't like now it's just this whole everywhere wave
00:30:58.080 awful well see what happens dang leave it to the uh courts and others now let's get on to another
00:31:04.940 easily solved issue uh it's truth reconciliation day uh as you said no reconciliation without
00:31:11.800 truth but truth doesn't seem to be something we're allowed to talk about what do we got going
00:31:14.840 on nigel well that's you said the word records that reconciliation that cannot survive questions
00:31:20.760 is not reconciliation.
00:31:22.960 It's a political settlement,
00:31:24.320 and that's what we're dealing with.
00:31:26.100 And by the way,
00:31:27.320 talking of political settlements,
00:31:29.680 there's an interesting parallel
00:31:31.500 with what's going on with,
00:31:33.580 we're talking about the land claims
00:31:35.320 and the judgments,
00:31:37.060 the Cowichan Judgment
00:31:38.220 and the Musqueam Agreement in B.C.,
00:31:40.920 aimed at transferring title
00:31:42.920 to Aboriginal bands.
00:31:46.000 Well, it's interesting
00:31:48.560 that that is taking place.
00:31:50.760 in the same decade as we were having this confrontation over supposed aboriginal graves
00:32:01.160 now i say supposed because nobody has actually come up with a grave containing bones that can
00:32:10.440 be identified as being a student at a residential school and say we didn't know about that this is
00:32:16.840 actually a crime scene. Well, that is the thing. Because we haven't looked, we don't
00:32:24.880 have the evidence, and so people like myself will say, if this happened the
00:32:30.820 way it has been described and portrayed and represented to the Truth and
00:32:36.640 Reconciliation Commission in Ottawa, then this is a grievous sin. But nobody
00:32:46.780 has actually produced the evidence, the literal evidence, the bones, and the evidence that has
00:32:54.980 been delivered orally has not been cross-examined. Those who strongly believe in this narrative will
00:33:03.540 say that would be just re-victimizing people. If you make them defend their point of view,
00:33:08.700 you should accept it for just what they say. But then there's a lot of money riding on this.
00:33:14.860 And because there is a lot of money riding on it, everybody should be that much more sensitive to the need to be absolutely sure about the truth.
00:33:27.520 And at the moment, you have oral evidence, and that's it.
00:33:33.380 Somebody says that somebody did something.
00:33:36.460 Some of the proponents of this, there's a former defrocked United Church minister who asserts with great conviction that certain atrocious things happen.
00:33:52.780 Nobody has the evidence for that.
00:33:55.820 so
00:33:57.180 it certainly does
00:33:59.960 create an atmosphere
00:34:01.280 nationally in which people are more
00:34:04.120 likely to be sympathetic
00:34:05.560 to anything that
00:34:08.420 aboriginal people 1.00
00:34:09.820 ask for 0.99
00:34:10.860 so I tend
00:34:14.100 in my mind these two
00:34:15.620 things are related
00:34:17.080 nobody has actually come out and said it
00:34:19.760 I'm probably exposing myself
00:34:22.220 here to
00:34:22.980 some nasty letters to the editor
00:34:25.840 but
00:34:27.080 if you think it's going to be
00:34:30.220 tough to give up property
00:34:31.880 you need
00:34:33.980 to be in a frame of mind
00:34:36.220 where you think maybe you ought to
00:34:38.420 maybe you would be doing something good
00:34:40.200 maybe you would be
00:34:41.780 helping to
00:34:43.240 solve a problem
00:34:45.440 and that is very well
00:34:47.660 that's pushed along quite nicely by the
00:34:50.380 by the
00:34:52.440 narrative that
00:34:55.900 215
00:34:58.320 graves have been
00:35:00.660 found, when of course
00:35:02.960 graves have not
00:35:04.700 been found. Anomalies
00:35:06.120 in the ground have been found.
00:35:09.120 Money has been given
00:35:10.180 to the local
00:35:12.520 native band. I call
00:35:14.580 them bands, by the way, not trying
00:35:16.640 to diminish their dignity, but that's
00:35:18.800 according to the Indian Act, that's
00:35:20.600 what we're dealing with.
00:35:22.440 And they've not applied the money to that purpose.
00:35:26.120 So we still don't know.
00:35:27.920 I was going to ask you as well, Corey.
00:35:29.460 I saw something.
00:35:30.040 I don't know if this is real, but did the RCMP do an investigation into Kamloops in the 90s and said they found nothing?
00:35:35.140 Because this was popping up all over social media.
00:35:36.900 I'll have to look in this.
00:35:37.980 But somebody has something about they did an investigation into those graves back in, I think, 95 is what I was seeing.
00:35:44.400 And they came up with nothing.
00:35:46.280 So I don't know if that's totally true.
00:35:47.440 I'm not sure on that one.
00:35:47.960 I'd have to look into it.
00:35:48.680 I wouldn't want to say it.
00:35:49.180 There's a whole bunch of stuff.
00:35:49.880 Yeah, but the thing that I find very odd is just how rabid the people are that believe that there were all these mass graves and there was like a mass genocide going on.
00:35:58.600 Like we've seen so many like just recent examples.
00:36:01.180 I mean, once again, I think yesterday, Frances Woodowson was at the U of Vic and she was obviously there talking about residential schools and whatnot.
00:36:09.540 And a bunch of, you know, protesters, team counter protest and whatnot were yelling at her.
00:36:13.540 And I guess apparently her cameraman got assaulted again.
00:36:15.860 I think that's the second or third time that's happened.
00:36:18.200 And then also yesterday, Tom Flanagan, who was a former professor of the U of C, political science, I think.
00:36:24.060 Was he an advisor or aide to Stephen Harper?
00:36:27.020 That's what I thought, yeah.
00:36:27.940 Him and Rebel News' Andrea Humphrey were there.
00:36:30.460 And they were doing one of those kind of like sit-down, change-my-mind things.
00:36:33.240 And they were talking to students.
00:36:34.080 By all accounts, it was pretty civil for the most part.
00:36:36.260 But then some student, we don't really know if it was a he or she or whatnot, came up and dumped a whole thing of water on Tom Flanagan's head.
00:36:42.800 And then got, you know, just detained.
00:36:44.660 And apparently he's going to be charged with assault.
00:36:46.120 But it just seems to me how these people can believe something so much when there is zero evidence that there were any of these mass graves, like mass psychosis almost.
00:36:55.980 The exaggerations are being entrenched through other means.
00:37:00.280 There's something that just horrified me with a drama, a Canadian-made TV series.
00:37:04.580 I can't remember the name of it, but it was like a detective series based in eastern Canada.
00:37:09.500 And one of the situations showed this abandoned building, and they'd gone into the basement, and here down there is an electric chair.
00:37:15.600 And this was allegedly an old residential school site and the electric chair was down there because they used to strap children into it and electrocute and torture them in it.
00:37:24.720 Yeah.
00:37:25.200 This was in a TV show and then it was just left as fact.
00:37:28.680 Apparently this chair has been sitting in the, you know, residential school for the last 60 years, you know, as a testament to, it was just bizarre.
00:37:36.000 But again, you see, if you're a viewer who doesn't look deeply into things or a younger one and so on, you take these things as fact.
00:37:42.520 I mean, I think that was based on one of those oral testimonies, again, that they'd made a claim and had absolutely no edits up.
00:37:48.980 But we have modern media or, you know, whatever you would call it, the arts and so on, just entrenching this further.
00:37:58.440 And it's, if people believe that, I can understand why you get so upset.
00:38:02.200 Holy cow, we've had this culture torturing children.
00:38:04.360 I mean, we've heard the stories about them throwing them in ovens and hanging them from meat hooks.
00:38:07.680 And again, none of it ever with any evidence.
00:38:10.700 And the people who do question it, they get the treatment like Francis Whitteson or Thomas Flanagan.
00:38:16.400 Look at what we were talking about earlier when I said, like, you've watched the CBC today.
00:38:19.600 It's been nothing but wall-to-wall propaganda 24-7 since I turned it on this morning.
00:38:24.080 And like I was telling you earlier, they had a reporter with a bunch of these kids.
00:38:27.620 They were playing a board game to teach them about truth and reconciliation.
00:38:31.180 And I'm sitting there going, like, this is just pure propaganda.
00:38:33.700 They're just little kids.
00:38:34.480 Like, they're probably no more than 10 years old, 12 years old.
00:38:36.960 And I'm just sitting there going, it's just absurd.
00:38:39.480 It has really reached the points of just absolute absurdity to me.
00:38:42.620 Yeah, well, you have to wonder why people want to believe it.
00:38:45.880 Yeah, I don't know.
00:38:47.520 Any activist said that was very lucrative for some people.
00:38:51.680 Isn't it the whole victim, you know, just victim complex like people have, it seems, on the left especially?
00:38:56.340 Everyone wants to be a victim, I don't know, that gives you some sort of clout over other people, possibly?
00:39:00.260 well perhaps so i mean to the point about the cbc and they they managed to find a story about a
00:39:08.700 a missing child now the child died in about 1926 i may be off a few years but this is like ancient
00:39:18.060 history and they ran it right on cue for truth and reconciliation day and the quick takeaway
00:39:28.260 if you're not a careful reader
00:39:29.900 well there, there's one
00:39:31.180 well in actual fact, no
00:39:33.180 the child was from northern Alberta
00:39:36.120 reserve, they had gone to
00:39:38.200 a residential school
00:39:39.220 they had got tuberculosis 1.00
00:39:41.960 it's not out of the question
00:39:44.220 they had it before they came, but they certainly had it
00:39:46.140 when they died, and they died in hospital
00:39:48.300 the death was recorded
00:39:49.780 the child was given a decent burial
00:39:52.380 what didn't happen
00:39:54.400 was apparently, allegedly
00:39:56.420 according to the story, the parents were
00:39:58.200 not given any notice that the child had died, which, if that's the way it was, was obviously
00:40:05.300 a pretty bad show. Things were not done well. But it's rolled out to colour, truth, and
00:40:15.620 you know how it is in a newsroom. Well, we've got 9-11ers coming out. Do we have a 9-11
00:40:21.000 survivor? That's the way they do business. But that's the way they do business in the
00:40:26.260 CBC as well, and
00:40:28.200 somebody said, oh, we've got this great story.
00:40:30.400 Okay, get it written up. Okay,
00:40:32.280 when's Truth and Reconciliation Day?
00:40:34.160 It's almost, okay,
00:40:36.200 hold it for then. You know,
00:40:38.360 and roll it out, and it just creates...
00:40:40.380 And that's what gets to me too, though,
00:40:42.160 is if these more contemporary ones, allegedly
00:40:44.140 in the 50s and 60s and Kamloops,
00:40:45.880 if there were family members, if I had a cousin or
00:40:48.140 a sister who disappeared at that
00:40:50.160 school, and I thought they were in that cemetery,
00:40:52.280 I would want them exhumed
00:40:54.540 so that I could
00:40:55.980 have them properly interred, you know, at their home
00:40:59.700 area or something.
00:41:00.460 Again, there's none of the demand for that.
00:41:02.020 They turned the entire Winnipeg landfill upside
00:41:03.820 down because apparently it's so sacred to get the
00:41:06.660 remains of somebody who's been murdered and they
00:41:09.740 did so.
00:41:10.280 Yes.
00:41:10.880 But in Kamloops, apparently, no, in that case, we
00:41:13.500 have to leave these bodies of murdered children
00:41:15.560 down there and leave the investigation wide open.
00:41:17.840 It just defies common sense.
00:41:20.280 Wouldn't the families want closure if they think
00:41:21.920 that one of their lost relatives is in there?
00:41:23.580 It's like, well, dig it up, do some DNA testing.
00:41:25.620 Like you said, give them like proper closure,
00:41:27.260 proper burial.
00:41:27.980 Why would you not want that?
00:41:29.340 Yeah.
00:41:29.720 But very odd.
00:41:30.580 The other thing is, is the other lack that we're
00:41:32.600 allowed to speak of, but there are no families
00:41:34.600 putting their hands up saying they're missing
00:41:35.780 children.
00:41:36.820 That's a big gap in the whole truth thing.
00:41:40.660 And that's the other part too.
00:41:41.400 We're never going to get reconciliation.
00:41:42.720 They don't want it. 1.00
00:41:43.640 You know, I'm not saying all natives. 0.96
00:41:45.020 I'm just saying the activists set.
00:41:46.580 They want this to be an ongoing wound that they
00:41:48.700 can keep reopening and keep pulling money out of it.
00:41:50.940 I was going to say more money, yeah.
00:41:52.220 And I guess we haven't even talked about all the
00:41:53.500 churches that are going to burn down over this.
00:41:55.040 Yeah.
00:41:55.340 No, that was a happenstance that all its churches burned.
00:42:00.040 Just churches, though, nothing else.
00:42:01.640 Mr. Trudeau said it was understandable.
00:42:04.020 Perhaps he did understand it.
00:42:06.480 I don't know.
00:42:06.920 There's not many things he was known for understanding.
00:42:09.420 But this whole business about the matter of changing the relationship of aboriginal bans to property
00:42:16.600 is a 2017 statement from the government that Mr. Trudeau led.
00:42:23.040 Yeah.
00:42:24.340 Kind of.
00:42:25.660 Okay.
00:42:26.180 All right.
00:42:26.600 Back to you, sir.
00:42:27.220 On to our parting shots.
00:42:29.060 What do you got there, Dave?
00:42:30.260 This isn't so much a parting shot as something I'm looking forward to.
00:42:32.500 As we talked about earlier, tomorrow is the day that I've been waiting for months to see
00:42:36.100 if the West Coast oil pipeline will be designated a project of national interest.
00:42:40.080 I'm going to bet it's probably going to be a yes, but as we were talking about earlier,
00:42:43.320 Corey, will that mean it gets built?
00:42:45.420 Is this just going to be what Carney's going to do to say yes to maybe appease some of
00:42:48.460 the people on the independent side in the upcoming referendum?
00:42:50.840 I guess we'll see.
00:42:51.480 But I'm betting money tomorrow that it's going to be, yes, it's going forward.
00:42:54.980 Yeah, your logic's pretty good.
00:42:56.240 Yeah, you're probably right.
00:42:57.580 Yeah, yeah.
00:42:58.880 My parting shot was, you know, there was an executive at the Toronto Dominion Bank who was asked to start using pronouns.
00:43:07.620 It's company policy that on your email letterhead, you say whether you're a him, her, him, she, her, what, you know.
00:43:15.520 And anyway, this lady said, no, I'm not doing that. 0.85
00:43:20.340 But I'll tell you what, I'll put down a Christian cross. 0.73
00:43:22.900 If you want to know who I am, what I stand for, let it be that.
00:43:25.920 And she said, well, no, you can't do that.
00:43:27.840 You can only do things that are regarding the sexuality.
00:43:31.900 Well, she stuck to her guns. 1.00
00:43:33.520 They fired her.
00:43:35.000 And my first reaction when I read that is, well, why should that one,
00:43:41.140 why should the bank act like that?
00:43:43.040 Well, read a little more, did the background work on it.
00:43:46.940 And it turns out that ultimately, you can trace this back to Mr. Trudeau again, through the, it was him who insisted on adding that to the Canadian as a prohibited form of discrimination under the Canadian Human Rights Act.
00:44:05.740 So in order to provide for an equitable workplace,
00:44:10.100 large companies which are regulated by the federal government
00:44:13.000 have to give employees the option to say
00:44:17.260 whether they are this, that, or the other thing.
00:44:21.100 Just that, nothing else.
00:44:22.920 Now, I wonder if the TD had some enthusiasts in there pushing this,
00:44:27.080 but at any rate, all the banks do it.
00:44:28.880 Most of the large companies do it.
00:44:30.740 So like I said, I haven't actually repped on my credit card yet,
00:44:33.440 But this is the government trying to make us into something other than what we are and we're comfortable with.
00:44:42.380 It's compelled is what's going on.
00:44:44.300 Yeah, compelled speech.
00:44:45.180 I'll just close quickly with Mark Carney.
00:44:49.140 Sounds like it might be a favorite for the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:44:51.820 Yeah, welcome to the politics of the world today.
00:44:54.100 A prize that was built, I think, with the best of intentions to really recognize somebody who changed the world for the better and made things more peaceful, presumably.
00:45:02.580 Mark Carney, who has a list of accomplishments.
00:45:05.940 Oh, I was going to say something awful there.
00:45:07.760 Shorter than something anyways.
00:45:09.900 And yet he's up there.
00:45:11.940 That's just them want to poke an eye at President Trump in the eye.
00:45:16.640 I guess all I could say is for the credibility of that award,
00:45:18.920 just remember that Yasser Arafat got one of those as well
00:45:22.440 because he stopped killing people a little bit.
00:45:25.600 Well, he didn't go for doing nothing.
00:45:27.420 Less than he used to. 0.98
00:45:28.680 So pretty pathetic state of affairs. 0.97
00:45:30.920 I'm sure Mr. Nobel is probably turning in his grave 0.98
00:45:33.900 knowing that this war has been named after him.
00:45:37.080 All right, guys.
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