Not our war？
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In this episode of The Pipeline, we're joined by Western Standard Opinion Editor Nigel Henniford ( ) and Senior Columnist Corey Morgan ( ) to discuss Israel's attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, the G-6 meeting, and the question of whether or not it's our war.
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I'm Derek Pildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.
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I'm joined by two of my favorite people here, Nigel Henniford, Western Standard Opinion Editor.
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And Corey Morgan, Western Standard Senior Alberta Columnist.
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Glad to be there. Fixture at the end of the table.
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um we're gonna be talking about uh the alberta government's decision to end taxpayer funding
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for your uh 139th covid booster shot that means from now on if you want to keep on getting covid
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boosters you're gonna finally have to pay for it yourself like almost any other vaccine so that's
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I think he was just transferring to another location
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or something as he was flying through, essentially.
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Yeah. Well, we'll talk about what happened there. We have Western Center reporters on the ground, and we'll talk about what developed and didn't develop. And is it our war? That's where we're going to start. Israel has attacked, as I already know, this is not news. Israel's attacked Iranian, alleged Iranian nuclear enrichment facilities for building a nuclear warhead.
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it'd be a shame if anything were to happen to them
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um it's a question that is very much dividing the mega coalition the mega coalition is very
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different from you know kind of the older neo-conservative coalition you know that you'd
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see under george bush and then it kind of petered out in the mccain and the romney years uh you know
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where the republicans were the hawk party they're going to export democracy uh i was i forget who
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said it, but someone eloquently put it, we're going to free
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that were literally designed for that facility.
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Big question now is, will the Americans intervene?
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I come from the position that if, in fact, Iran was an imminent threat
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of obtaining a nuclear warhead, that it was building a nuclear warhead
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then I think Israel's strikes would be justified.
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But the evidence provided so far is far from definitive.
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It's, you know, not good enough, I think, just to take the Mossad's word for it after the 2003 invasion of Iraq on the same pretext.
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The Iranian regime is, you know, the usual chicken hawks on Twitter say, well, you know, you're just backing the mullahs.
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You must be an Islamofascist or something.
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No, the Iranian regime is about the most odious and evil regime on planet Earth.
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And the world would be better for every dead mullah that we've got.
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But there's a lot of bad regimes in the world, always has been, and there always will be.
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justification. The thing is that they've already
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do we have the evidence that they were on the cost
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that with their own lips they have contend the great Satan, which is the U.S.,
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and the little Satan, which is Israel, for the last 50 years,
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since we have that nasty little go-around with Jimmy Carter
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and the deposition of the Shah, the hostage-taking of the American diplomats.
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That's addressed to Israel, but it's also addressed to the United States.
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just israel first so if you're going to have 50 years of rhetoric saying we're out to kill you
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at some point when does it not just become stupidity to ignore it and say oh that's just
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those guys they're blowing off steam they have to say that for their own people well they don't have
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to say that for their own people their own people hate them so this is very much uh some of their
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own people hate them they do have a lot of support in iran there's a there's a very large westernized
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that the Iranian people broadly hate the regime.
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But I mean, some people really put their lives on the line
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and it's very clear that that regime is not universally loved.
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and you think that iran having developed the technology to drop a rocket in your backyard
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when we've got the two together we're going to destroy you there is a very solid argument
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whether they're a week away a month away or 10 years away we're doing what you can to slow them
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down and i think the israelis have already accomplished that by the way well they've
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bit slowed down but it's not stopped that's why they want american intervention that's why they
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want and um i mean there are there certainly is an argument all right you guys have done what
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you've done and it's and it's worked so now instead of being a year away or a month away
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it's 10 years or 15 years the israelis have claimed the iranians are on the verge of getting
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a bomb for 30 years now now maybe they're right this time uh well it's the first time they've
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actually gone done anything about it so they obviously have so like this would not be likely
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I would like to think was not lightly undertaken.
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Pretty much par for the course for an Arab country.
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But, I mean, the Israelis have claimed this for a long time.
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So what would you accept as being the trigger moment?
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Now, I understand the need for a preemptive attack.
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Like, seriously, the Iranians are going to come back and say, oh, no, we're just...
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I think I'm a fairly sympathetic guy to the cause.
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I detest the regime, but we'll become better when they're eventually gone someday.
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I'm a pretty sympathetic guy to hear the argument.
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I just haven't seen the convincing evidence yet.
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I, you know, I was a teenager when it happened.
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I grew up in military towns, and this was a very big thing.
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And Israel provided the evidence for that post facto. So I get that. But you better be pretty ironclad in that. You better have it to provide post facto if you're going to make a preemptive strike.
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Well, there's a fear that the evidence to be a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv. I mean, there's the other part that could come afterwards. But I know, I mean, Mossad, CIA, I mean, they do some good things, but they're also organizations you can't trust necessarily anything.
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By nature, they're intelligence agencies. By nature, they do have shady shit.
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And, you know, there's open secrets of the Middle East. I mean, technically, Israel doesn't have nukes either, but everybody knows they have them.
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Iran says they're not working towards a nuclear program. We all know they're working towards it.
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The question, actually, is how far along are they? That's the question.
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And, you know, Israel's saying it could be as much as just a couple of weeks away from having that capability, or it could be another 20 or 30 years.
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I don't know. Israel's got other motivations right now.
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I'm generally pretty supportive of Israel, but Iran's also been proxy funding the Houthis and Hezbollah and Hamas
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and basically keeping those terrorist groups that are picking at Israel from the sidelines all this time.
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Israel's happy to have an excuse, I think, to just give them a bit of a slapping around to remind them
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that there's going to be a price to continue to mess with Israel.
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So, but yeah, we're going to, I think, especially with the potential for this to turn into a kinetic, larger ground war.
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We would, I guess, hope then that there's justification.
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Well, it has to go on faith because we can't trust any of the organizations that they're worried on this.
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You know, we're sitting here in Calvary, so we can afford to say, show us the evidence.
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But if you're sitting in Tel Aviv, this is getting too close for comfort.
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involve canada in this perhaps not canada because we have no capacity to fight an unforeseen war
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but i'm talking about the west western blood and western treasure more generally even if it's not
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canada i still feel a kinship with americans french germans poles italians and i don't want
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to see any of our blood and treasure spilt for another forever war in the middle east unless it
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It was absolutely necessary, and I have not seen the evidence yet.
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Okay, well, when you say it's a bomb, that means a particular bomb.
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The bomb we're talking about is the bunker buster.
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well within its rights to consider that an act of war
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I think it may be just to blow it on the ground when he said it
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I mean, if there's any country in the world, I don't
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20-20. Could you imagine the hindsight again if
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game these things. As terrifying as those games
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so I'm in agreement. Just as an argument when it
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comes to a regular war, too. They're not easy to battle
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the ones I found here are terrible. You've just lowered
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saying they must not be allowed to have a bomb,
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that could kill millions in the end of this escalate.
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Perhaps we'll get it, but we need to have some limb warriors
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Or if they're presenting that evidence to anybody,
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One thing about Trump, as much as he talks and blusters,
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So I think, to some degree, he could be reasoned with
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those things. I think they would have to present him
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or not, or have a respect for. I mean, J.D. Vance
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for it that, like, guys, I've seen the evidence.
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thing. And at least George Bush presented some false
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intelligence to us. Well, maybe they've learned from
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that, I guess. Well, they're going to have to say,
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Well, I mean, that'd be more evidence than we want.
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I'm not an intelligence source. I'm not an intelligence agent here.
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If you're going to launch a war that could potentially become something much bigger
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We can reverse that onus. I know it's trying to reason with the unreasonable, but maybe if Iran wants to avoid this, they could say, well, we'll bring in some outside observers to our facilities and prove we don't have this.
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I know it's forcing them to prove a negative, but...
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The ARL-Tumberg agency has been trying to get in there for years.
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I think, you know, there were similar problems with Iraq.
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Saddam Hussein was less than entirely cooperative.
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Well, the bomb wasn't the issue because they destroyed the Osiris plant years before.
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Yeah, but they were claiming he was restarting these other weapons of mass destruction programs.
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Heard that could not be true, but he had been less than cooperative.
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So failure to cooperate is certainly suspicious.
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It certainly should set off alarm bells, but in and of itself, I don't think it's caused a spell lie for a potential cataclysmic war.
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Well, the toothpaste instead of the tube now, though, so the only thing left, again, as they're saying, is whether or not the Americans do that final.
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To finish the job, finish is maybe the wrong word.
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To finish destroying the nuclear facilities, they need the American B-2s with bunker buster bombs.
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Now, that doesn't necessarily mean the job's done.
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Iran might take this as a full state of war, and we're going to have to fight it through to some bloody conclusion.
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Trump said not to be told Netanyahu not to do this.
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on the assumption that the Americans will be drawn in
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but that was the gamble that Netanyahu has made.
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should the americans intervene here first of all i'm not sure that that was a gamble because like
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we said in the previous segment they will whatever state that program of developing nuclear weapons
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had reached what has happened in the last week has set that back a very long time so but it was
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who took the gamble that the americans would intervene to finish them off in the end we are
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But he has already achieved, on behalf of Israel,
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I'm not qualified to judge, but probably for 10 years.
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What they've already done without that facility being destroyed
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has already thrown the Iranians seriously off.
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And by the way, if it's thrown it off for Israel, it's also thrown it off for the United States because you don't need a nuclear, you don't need a missile that can go from Tehran to New York.
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Well, that could be a container on a cargo ship.
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But should America intervene here? Because if they do, the Iranians are then likely to more directly target American assets, and it increases the chance that this becomes an all-out regional war.
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I guess that depends on their own intelligence at this point.
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I mean, as we've said, it didn't seem like Trump's too eager to jump in
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unless he sees something he feels might justify it.
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Something else that's interesting in development out of this, though,
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was Jordan stepping up when Iran was responding
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and knocking out some of Iranian hardware coming over their country.
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So Iran has lost a lot of friends around themselves, too.
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We're not talking about this necessarily going into a full-out regional war.
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Jordan's got no love of Israel, but at the same time, they don't want to get a hold.
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Well, all of the Gulf Arab states and then some in the Levant, like Jordan, these guys hate Iran.
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This is a Sunni Shia, largely, because these guys are terrified of Iranian hegemony in the region.
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And if Iran does get the bomb, well, then the Saudis are going to buy a bomb in the next week from Pakistan or something.
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It really is opening a door into a dark room as soon as Iran gets the bong here, but equally so, a potential regional war.
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But does American intervention lessen the chance of this expanding to a bigger war, or does it increase the chance?
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Well, it depends on how definitively—if Americans intervened and they definitively splattered things enough in Iran in short order,
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I don't think other regions will be eager to raise their hand and say,
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let's jump in and play in this sandbox with the rest of them.
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I mean, we're not going to see a bunch of alliance and all the tanks
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rolling across the desert like we saw, you know, 30 years ago.
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And in some ways it makes it more likely for them to jump into it,
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but you're not putting as much manpower on the ground as you used to.
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You're doing a lot more remote control, almost video game style.
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I'm not sure Iran is really in a position to fight a war,
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Like right now they have, the Israelis have full control of the Tehran skies.
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So who are you going to shoot if you're an Iranian?
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So Iran would be just in a position of saying, we hate you.
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We hated you before, now we hate you even more.
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I'd be concerned about Iraq because Iraq was the implacable enemy of Ayatollah Iran.
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Saddam Hussein was there because it was the Sunni
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We don't want the Kurds in either of the...
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and he still didn't get along with Iran by any measure.
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the Iraqi regime became a lot more friendly with Iran.
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If we're waiting for the peace in the Middle East,
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we're never going to get... I mean, the things that come up with
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evidence, you don't know if you can necessarily trust that either, or
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Geiger counters came up and found this material
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from blowing up that mountain, and we know there was...
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Well, it segues nicely to where we're going next.
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Leaders of the United States, Germany, France, Britain, Italy, Japan, and Canada.
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Short drive from where we're sitting here in Calgary, just west of us in Canada's country.
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But the meeting was, I think, significantly disrupted by Donald Trump pretty much touching down Sunday evening.
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Yeah, actually, I was in I was sitting down to watch TV for the evening.
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My house started to shake and that was Donald Trump and Donald Trump's helicopter Marine One and then his Osprey helicopter escorts rolling right over my house.
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pretty much in and out, touching down like he was just
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It is the strategy that whoever is president is following.
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The issue here is that the G7 was formed at a time
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by democratic countries interested in free trade
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And without going as deep as a bunker buster bond takes us, it is simply the fact that the United States is the biggest part of the G7 in terms of product, gross domestic product production.
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And that removes right at the root the whole point of the G7.
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We are actually, you heard it here first, we are actually living in a few years during
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which the whole new era of international affairs is going to be rewritten.
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It was rewritten at the end of the Second World War.
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It was rewritten when we went into the free trade era of the 1970s, 80s, 90s.
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all the liberalism represented by regan bush and bush too and now we're coming out of that
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and we're going into big power blocks so the united states china particularly and the g7
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doesn't have a place in that because nobody is interested in what the g7 has been doing for the
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last 40 years they're interested in doing something completely different so trump wasn't particularly
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interested in the business of the g7 i don't think he came in he signed a he signed a deal with the
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british he batted mr carney on the arm and said it'll be all right in a few weeks and left and
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that i think is the end of the g7 i don't even think there's a g6 to be solved out of it because
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the americans are not part of it well i mean the g6 is essentially the main european countries plus
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japan and canada and canada is increasing the the only reason canada's ever included in the original
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g7 was courtesy it was courtesy they were being nice to us um i hate to say that by the way i
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mean when i came to canada in 73 and some before i thought it was a great place it was rocking
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things were going well i was proud it's just what the last 10 years have done sadly and bitterly
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reduced us well we're poor in italy now which makes us i think uh effective we're a rich second
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world country at this point yeah yeah uh to nigel's point both for and against it
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at the same time oddly the g7 doesn't deal just with major economic issues it kind of depends on
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what's what's dominating the news cycle at the time that the g7 is held you know often it's
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dealing with foreign policy you know you know selensky was there um you know sometimes it's
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dealt with covid etc uh the americans do have a different agenda on trade it would appear
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than you know the other g7 members at this point um but its relevance on foreign policy must
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also be diminished if it ever really had an influence because this is a key moment in foreign
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policy and trump decided not to stay there with other major leaders in uh the western world plus
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japan he decided that that was not the most relevant place to be it was just in washington
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in the situation room um what is did anything of any significance come out of this meeting
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i don't think so as i just said it was kind of a beginning of an end perhaps trump snubbed it
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without much uh regard i i mean the claim was that i don't think things are escalating in israel and
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and uh you know i ran but i i haven't seen any action out of trump since then that was
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tell me that he really needed to be in Washington to make some of those decisions or be briefed on
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issues or, you know, be there in person or anything of that sort. Sounds more like a pretense to me.
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And anything that would have been sticky diplomatically is Zelensky being there. And he
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maybe just wanted to avoid the headache, which shows again, the indifference he kind of treats
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the G7 with though, that it's a headache. I don't want to bother with it. I'm just going to kind of
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bow out after making a token appearance, shake some hands, smile, get a picture. I feel like
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treated it the way most canada prime ministers treat a premier's meeting yeah pretty much you're
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the senior guy in the room you want to show up for a picture but you don't want to be pastured
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by these you don't actually didn't even get the picture you know they didn't need to take the
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tradition of having a group picture he wasn't there for it to your point you asked well was
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there anything significant uh diligent readers of the western standard will already be aware
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that there were in fact six uh statements that were agreed upon and this is what they were
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securing high standard critical mineral supply chains that power future economies that's one
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driving secure responsible and trustworthy ai solutions
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boosting cooperation to unlock quantum technologies full potential to grow economies
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so that can start tomorrow number four mounting a multilateral effort to prevent
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fight and recovery from rising wildfires i wouldn't i won't even bore you with the other
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two they are in the western standard in a thoughtful editorial that we published yesterday
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um it's not worth the effort that goes into preparing these meetings if you're not going
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to deal with the big money issues and that's now a thing of the past this is stuff that could have
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been done by a committee of bureaucrats on through email well actually i know as funny as you think
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i mean all this stuff is the problem the bureaucrats they work on this they're already
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working on the next year's one they haven't been told that the game's up they're already working
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on this for next year and all that happens is they get all the paperwork together the leaders fly in
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they shake hands they sign the paper make a few statements get the group photo and everybody goes
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he was on the way out the door, but he couldn't cling that
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might have done, at least he didn't do anything to
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embarrass us. There was always that risk with our last
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we were actually in contact with the White House to get into
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Up until you put that thought to Catherine Levitt
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Okay, so we're taking it from the international to the international locally to the local.
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Corey, ever since COVID vaccines and then boosters became available, governments everywhere in Canada have been paying for this.
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Alberta, I believe, is the first government that has said it's going to finally stop paying for this.
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COVID is really getting in the rearview mirror now.
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It is not a significant threat, particularly if you're not a senior living in a communal living home.
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But wherever it is a lingering, remaining threat of any kind, that would really be only it.
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So the Alberta government said it's ending taxpayer-funded COVID boosters.
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How many hundreds of boosters are you into at this point?
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So unless you're the immunocompromised people living in communal seniors' homes, they're still covered.
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But everybody else you've got to pay for on your own.
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It's been a pretty predictable reaction from the predictable people on that.
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Yeah, if it had been any other premier, they would have said, well, they're being pragmatic with changing times.
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So thus, there's an underhanded anti-vax motivation behind it.
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Not the fact that only, what, 14% of Albertans are partaking in that vaccination any longer.
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Is it as high as 14% still getting COVID boosters?
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Well, there's still some vulnerable people, seniors, others who could find some benefit from vaccination with that.
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As well, a whole pile of it, I mean, it has a shelf life.
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And as has been pointed out, we've been throwing millions of dollars down the drain because we've had this big backlog of vaccinations that nobody had to pay for.
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And they're choosing not to go in and get them.
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I'm supposed to end up constantly getting encouraged by my wife to bother going and getting the shingles vaccination.
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Well, and for people who get badly infected with it, it can have some terrible long-term consequences and make them very, very ill.
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And after a certain age, you're encouraged to get it.
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But even with that, they say you're encouraged to get it, but this is one of those things
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you'll have to reach into your pocket and pay for to get by yourself.
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We can't pay for everything for everybody all the time.
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I mean, I understand that our socialists in office feel that that's plausible.
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That's part of why we have a healthcare system that's overwhelmed and waiting lists that
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are interminable because we are trying to be everything to everybody all the time.
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So yeah, if there's only demand from 14% of the populace for a particular service,
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but the establishment's going to paint it as, again,
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as Smith just being the evil wicked witch in the West.
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We had this story first before the government announced it.
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I think, you know, people who are against the COVID vaccination, they're obviously happy to see this gone.
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I think most people generally don't care because most people are not taking their 300th booster at this point.
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As Corey points out, some of those people I think actually is fairly legitimate.
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You're in a communal living home for seniors, you're immunocompromised.
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um but you know what would what's the kind of the ndp's political calculus do you think and
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you know screaming uh ringing the alarm bells about this when almost no one's taking it at
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this point who's not immunocompromised well i mean i think the political calculus isn't any
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more sophisticated than if danielle smith is for it we're against it and if she's against it we're
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for it so that's that you know at the very basement level whatever she says they're going
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to disagree but i i actually have a theory that the ndp honestly believes that you need to have
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a kind of a nanny state approach to public health and that ever they were very happy with the
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situation and back in 2020 21 where everybody had to do what they were told and if they couldn't
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and there would be penalties and you know take your medicine well they still think that
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and it's remarkable that they do so because there's no strong evidence that these vaccines
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were neither safe nor effective um we published a graph i think it was yesterday it's in murray
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lytle's column on the subject and it shows what it shows is at first there was this spike in deaths
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from covid and then it it kind of got a little better a little better and then you hit 2021 fall
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when everybody was encouraged to forced really to take vaccines and there is an almost vertical
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spike like that massive increase in the number of covid deaths after the introduction of the
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vaccines now i'm not saying that the vaccines caused the deaths but what i'm saying is it
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didn't prevent them and so people said whatever you know meanwhile i've you know plenty of people
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tell you what a rough ride they had when they had the vaccine and there's some evidence that
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i'm not qualified to judge but uh it certainly needs to be investigated by somebody who is
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that there were adverse outcomes from people who did take the vaccine
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So my thought on the whole thing is that Albertans generally
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But if you're a member of a party that believes in top-down control,
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Well, let's remember the UCP under Kenny was opposing
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what they wanted. But he essentially did everything that
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coming out this week, but I write on that just that
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now we're seeing measles popping up. We're seeing
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of the people who are choosing not to get these
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the thing that they gave you for COVID actually was
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It's led to people losing trust in all of them, which is
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bad yeah some of these are very long established and proven medical technologies that have saved
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millions of lives around the world uh yeah and i know there's a lot of reasons if you are if you
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have a child get the bloody vaccine the measles vaccine you know yeah mumps i mean it starts
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things like that yeah but you but you're bang on that you know the authoritarian measures taken
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Yeah. And being more authoritarian, unfortunately,
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is their instinct on how to deal with them. I'm hearing people talking
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We're just going to go in the opposite direction.
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to our parting shots. I'm going to give it to you first today, Corey. Sure. Well, I'm back on
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justice. It's always a favorite of mine. I just read stories, you know, that just make my hair
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grayer. We saw the one recently with the judge saying, uh, the gentleman shouldn't do any time
00:43:51.580
in jail because he had a, just a modest collection of child porn. Uh, now there was a, it was
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tasteful. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so here's another one with a guy who pushed his girlfriend off a 50
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foot cliff to her death where she wasn't found for three weeks until a friend of his finally
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ratted on him to say, hey, by the way, he killed his girlfriend. She's at the bottom of the cliff.
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He, part of the defense was that there wasn't a guardrail there. So I guess we should always put
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guardrails up, not to stop people from pushing girlfriends off cliffs. His sentence got reduced
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though on this to 698 days in appeal uh if if we can't get 10-year sentences for people who do
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things like this where are we going meanwhile i saw a story resurfacing in the standard covered
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that well whereas we took a guy who sold eggs and put him in jail for a couple of days and
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tamara leach is still in the midst of the longest mischief mischief trial in modern history our
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justice system has just got priorities that are just completely out of whack so because you went
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of private members' bill from the previous parliament
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supply management that is canada's soviet style command and control price and supply fixing
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uh regime for primarily dairy but also eggs and parts of poultry and things like that
00:45:39.100
uh parliament just voted to pass it including and we expect the socialist parties to vote for
00:45:45.180
that kind of thing uh the dairy cartel is so powerful we get it but i want to shame half of
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the conservative caucus that voted for it uh half the conservatives uh stood on principle and voted
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against the bill uh even if all the conservatives vote against it still would have passed uh so
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there's very little political risk i think there but half of them are still scared shitless of the
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dairy cartel and voted in line with it voted with the bloc the ndp and the liberals and the greens
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for this atrocious piece of legislation and it just shows that our political class
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the entire left and at least half of the conservatives are not very elbows up if we
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are really taking this trade uh crisis seriously we would put one of the weakest most uh ridiculous
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parts of our economy on the chopping block in negotiations because we're better off without it
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ourselves and it's a huge barrier to trade uh trade agreements which is why the grain growers
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came out today because they know that that bill is going to mean less exports for actual competitive
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