00:08:06.580Well, it's hard to get in the heads of these people, but I mentioned in the article that one of my staffers had a conversation with a UN official, ironically an Israeli fellow, and he basically told her that Canada, in his opinion, had an unlimited capacity to take migrants.
00:08:36.580So that's the view of a certain type of person.
00:08:41.000It's quite concerning, in my opinion, that it would be someone with the UN, since we were working with the UN, trying to work with them.
00:08:49.960But I think that's quite prevalent on the left side of the aisle, is that we should take as many people as we absolutely can take.
00:08:59.680And economic consequences are secondary.
00:09:03.260Well, that certainly appears to be what happened.
00:09:09.220Still, this explosion to 3.2 million, this is your number, I presume you got it from Statscan or generation, but non-permanent residents is central to your critique.
00:09:22.180Like in this whole argument, you say, well, they took all these people, non-permanent residents.
00:09:28.080Well, I suppose the theory is they're non-permanent, so if they use their visa, they go home.0.65
00:09:36.000So that's been the other scandalous piece of information that's come out in the last few weeks.
00:09:43.400I think there was a parliamentary hearing on it just recently where the minister admitted that there were at least 500,000 of those that they essentially didn't know where they were, if they had stayed, if they had gone back, etc.
00:10:01.480and that they didn't have the capacity to even investigate that.
00:10:06.520This sounds like an argument for digital ID.
00:10:24.700Well, I mean, you'd, I think, need to go back to the numbers we had
00:10:30.260more than a decade ago as I mentioned we had about 250,000 in the regular immigration stream
00:10:36.520we had because we were doing much better and more stringent oversight in the asylum area we had
00:10:46.460only about 16,000 claimants in 2015 whereas that number has gone up almost well almost I'd say
00:10:58.940five-fold, six-fold. And then on the temporary side, the numbers, I don't have them at my
00:11:08.560fingertips, but the numbers were quite a bit lower. And there were things like market need
00:11:14.760assessments that were done that would kind of keep a lid on those numbers. The other thing,
00:11:20.300of course, they did is they, the Trudeau government, that is, is they failed to put a cap
00:11:26.300on foreign students. So universities, of course, charge foreign students significantly more for
00:11:34.220tuition. So they had an incentive to bring in as many as they possibly could. And we've seen1.00
00:11:40.560several, again, scandals emerge, how that system was exploited. The most recent one, I think,
00:11:46.800was in Conestoga College in Ontario. So these things definitely had serious negative consequences.
00:11:54.560So you talk also about court rulings, expanding citizenship claims, and we're all familiar with, there's a story every week now about so-and-so did a horrible and atrocious thing that should have sent him to jail for a long time, but they try to keep him for less, get a sentence of less than two years in case it interrupts his immigration process.
00:12:21.840And we're all thinking, well, why would we want this guy?
00:12:28.180So do you see the charter or the post-1982 judicial activism that the charter made possible?
00:12:40.800Like, why would judges have an angle on this?
00:12:44.500Well, they seem to have an angle on just about everything now.
00:12:47.220But here, I think it's more the philosophical underpinnings that we touched on a minute ago.
00:12:59.640You know, I believe it was Prime Minister Trudeau, the junior, who said, you know, a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian, up to and including known terrorists.
00:13:11.660And the current immigration minister has also defended the right of known terrorists to remain in Canada.
00:13:19.000So, again, that gives you an impression of their view that anyone who can come here, anyone can be a Canadian.
00:13:28.160And that extends, I think, to that judicial ruling that you allude to, where I believe it was an Ontario judge struck down part of our legislation.
00:13:40.600That was legislation that I and my team worked on that would have restricted Canadian citizenship to the first generation of people born of Canadian citizens abroad.
00:13:58.160Whereas now that's extended through multiple generations.
00:14:02.240So you can literally have someone who had Canadian parents born in Paraguay and they have children and they just continue to be Canadian, even though they have no attachment to Canada and they've never been to Canada.
00:14:18.580Well, who if they've never been to Canada or never coming to Canada, presumably they're not voting in Canadian elections or.
00:14:28.160maybe they can um there's a potential racket here well um i mean there is the discussion
00:14:36.760of that happening in the united states i think that would be a whole because of the birthright
00:14:42.360citizenship uh controversy right so um so yeah that's something i didn't explore in the article
00:14:49.700but it's it probably is something to be concerned about yeah so you you pointed out um
00:14:57.120You quoted a subject expert, Garrett Jones, and they made the argument that values, the things we just automatically, you know, trust, frugality, rule of law, or the complete opposites, persist across generations.
00:15:49.300And interestingly, as you suggest, the point system has a rather objective way of finding potentially the most compatible people.
00:16:03.560Because first of all, if you select on economic need, on skills, you will have people that can come and work immediately and are placed into a workplace where they'll be fitting in.
00:16:16.640There's the English language or the language requirement, and there's education.
00:16:22.840I think what many of the studies, including Professor Jones's study show, is that in the low skilled area, if you have very large numbers of people,
00:16:32.640They really have a hard time succeeding economically and then kind of integrating into the broader society.
00:20:44.740to put the brakes on immigration in order to allow for what phrase would you use,
00:20:53.500cultural continuity, preservation, whereas several groups,
00:20:58.580including the Conference Board of Canada, argue for much greater immigration,
00:21:05.080although interestingly, mainly to support our social programs.
00:21:09.700So when it comes down to it, at least on the economic argument,
00:21:13.920It's, okay, are we willing to adjust our social program?0.94
00:21:21.960Say you're in favor of lower numbers of newcomers.
00:21:27.780Are you willing to adjust what types of benefits you get in terms of social support?
00:21:35.280If you are, then you can bring the numbers down.
00:21:38.580But because of, you know, that kind of pyramid scheme aspect of the system, you need to keep having, and the Conference Board of Canada report is very explicit in this.
00:21:50.740They say, okay, you need a certain ratio of people in the labor force versus, you know, people, shall we say, more our demographic or approaching demographic who are not being supported.
00:22:04.380you know it's never occurred to me until this very moment john that the same people
00:22:09.660who we are now talking about her basically abused the immigration system for political purposes are
00:22:15.420also the ones that created the necessity for this supply of new uh feeders into the ponzi scheme
00:22:22.700in the first place decades ago by by making canada into a welfare state wow yeah where's
00:22:30.060john burke when you need him yes that's right i'm sorry yes yes uh listen it's been great john
00:22:35.740very nice to have you in here and show you around the john galt studio and the gang here in the
00:22:40.620western standard who put out this great product we hope to have some words from you soon on the
00:22:45.820a little more detail on what we've been talking about in the last half hour
00:22:49.260thank you so much for coming in thank you it's been a pleasure for the western standard i'm nigel