Western Standard - One on one with Jay Hill, interim leader of the Maverick Party

00:00:00.000 Okay. I'm joined today by the leader, interim leader of the Maverick Party, Jay Hill. Thank

00:00:13.360 you. You've been on my show before, but not during election time. I know these are busy

00:00:17.520 times for everybody right now, especially in this final week. So I'll start with something easy. Just

00:00:21.840 how's the campaign been going? I think pretty well. I mean, our biggest challenge, and we've

00:00:26.080 known that right from the beginning, Corey, is exposure. I mean, we're a party that's,

00:00:31.280 we're about two days away from our first anniversary. So we're very much still in our

00:00:35.680 infancy. And so that's been a huge challenge for us, especially during these COVID restrictions,

00:00:43.280 when we don't know from one day or one week to the next, whether we can hold these small town hall

00:00:48.560 meetings or not. So as I say, our biggest challenge has been exposure, but as the name gets out there,

00:00:54.080 and as people are paying more attention, as we get nearer to the actual election day,

00:00:59.600 hopefully people are considering Maverick as an alternative.

00:01:04.080 Yeah. Well, and you're the old school reformers. I was a young reformer at the time. I'm not young

00:01:10.240 anymore. But, and you're modeling this in much of the old way of the reform of the West once in

00:01:15.920 a dedicated Western party. But you did make it clear, it's not a secessionist party. This is,

00:01:21.120 I guess, regionalist perhaps might be the best term for it?

00:01:24.160 Well, I think that we, at least in the initial stages of the development of Maverick,

00:01:28.400 what we're looking for is to emulate, to some extent, the Block Quebec law.

00:01:32.880 Their strategy in the House of Commons, as you know, Corey, is very simple. And they are very

00:01:37.840 outspoken about it, that if legislation or a motion before the House is deemed to be good for Quebec,

00:01:44.480 they speak in favor of it, and they vote in favor of it. And so really, what we would like to see,

00:01:49.680 at least in the initial stages of the growth of Maverick, is to elect a few MPs and send down to

00:01:55.920 Ottawa and operate very much in that same way. Only, obviously, if legislation is deemed to be

00:02:02.240 good for Western Canada, in the best interest of Westerners, they would support it.

00:02:06.320 Yeah, well, and I've watched all of the debates, it was a torturous thing, though there's

00:02:11.120 some things to be found and taken from them. I mean, one thing I've heard from other people with

00:02:15.600 Yves-Francois Blanchet was, at least, as much as he might be maddening with how he is,

00:02:21.280 he's unapologetic. He says, I'm here for Quebec, I speak for Quebec, and he basically said in the

00:02:25.360 English campaign, I don't really care about the rest of this, I'm just here for Quebec.

00:02:29.440 Unfortunately, it's just the nature of our country, though, if our regions want to stand up for

00:02:32.800 ourselves, that's kind of the attitude we have to start taking.

00:02:34.800 Well, and that's the big difference. You mentioned my history with reform and then Canadian Alliance,

00:02:39.440 and obviously, eventually, serving as a cabinet minister with Stephen Harper in the Conservative

00:02:44.000 government. And I guess what I've been saying as I've been traveling around Western Canada during

00:02:49.040 this campaign, is that I'm a slow learner. And it's taken me quite some time, most of my life,

00:02:54.800 in fact, to learn that the system does not work in the best interest of the West. And so what we've

00:03:00.560 tried to do is design a political party now to, as they say, basically copy the model that the

00:03:06.880 blockadec law has been using in the House of Commons, that we recognize that all the national

00:03:12.240 parties, and I would include the PPC in this, once you run nationally, from coast to coast to coast

00:03:18.320 in Canada, and that's the old reform model of the West wants in, the minute you do that, you have to

00:03:24.720 appeal to where the most votes are. And then you water down your message to appease where the majority

00:03:32.160 of the seats and votes are in Central Canada. We're not doing that, we're going to continue to

00:03:37.280 we're going to start from running in the West, and we're going to stay running in the West so that

00:03:41.200 we can properly and accurately reflect the best interests of the West.

00:03:45.200 Well, that's good. I wanted to clarify that, because I remember that from the 90s, actually,

00:03:48.640 I think it was Bruce Stubbs who was running the Guardians United Against Reform's demise,

00:03:52.560 and then all of the messiness as the Canadian Alliance got formed, and eventually we just seemed

00:03:57.440 to come full circle. Now we're back at the start of the circle again, but have we learned

00:04:02.080 from the last exercise? Like, we're not going to repeat that, it's been very clear on that.

00:04:06.400 Well, I certainly hope so, Corey, that certainly that's my intent in launching this a little over

00:04:11.360 a year ago with Wexit Canada, and only because that party had already applied for eligibility under

00:04:18.000 the Elections Canada rules. And then we immediately started to morph it into what became the Maverick

00:04:24.880 Party Party, as they say, about a year ago. And our intention is not to repeat the mistakes of the past,

00:04:33.200 where we go down to Central Canada, where we end up, you know, splitting the vote down there,

00:04:40.240 electing Liberal governments by default, as we did with Jean Chrétien in the 90s. We don't want to see that happen again.

00:04:48.880 Obviously, we believe that the West has not had proper representation, and it certainly isn't going

00:04:55.360 to under Errol too long. Yeah, well, it's an interesting role that I mean, I like the pizza

00:05:00.880 Parliament model in some ways, you can at least get a lot of different voices for such a regionally

00:05:04.400 diverse country. And they still can't be functional if you accept that. But what Jagmeet's saying in the NDP,

00:05:09.600 they know they're never going to form government. So they model themselves, though, to be influential

00:05:14.240 for their ideology and just get that corner and be able to do so. But I just like to compare that,

00:05:19.280 say, I mean, ideologically quite different than Maverick. But you could still hold a corner and

00:05:24.160 represent that and be cooperative in Parliament and get the job done.

00:05:27.520 Exactly. And, you know, the advantage that I have as the interim leader of Maverick is that I do have

00:05:34.480 this wealth of experience having spent 17 years in the House of Commons. And the majority of those

00:05:40.320 years in caucus officer positions where part of the job description is to negotiate with the other

00:05:45.680 parties and build relationships where you can try to get things done for Canadians. So I have that

00:05:51.680 background to bring to the table as we try to launch and grow this new political party.

00:05:58.720 So in some sense, you've mentioned that, though, you are the interim leader. And that's something

00:06:02.560 that some people have wondered, like, I know with short timelines, it's difficult,

00:06:06.880 you certainly can't deal with that during an election. But is there going to be then an AGM,

00:06:10.880 a leadership race, that sort of thing pretty soon, shortly after the election?

00:06:14.560 Well, unlike the PPC, we did have our first convention, it was a virtual convention out of

00:06:20.960 necessity, in early August, here in Calgary. And we had our delegates, members that became delegates

00:06:29.920 paid the fee, support and confirm our governing council, our constitution, our platform such as it

00:06:37.280 is, considering that we're only a year old, our twin track mission statement, all of that was confirmed

00:06:44.480 already at a convention on the 7th of August. So we move on from there. And specifically about

00:06:51.760 my interim leadership and the leadership race that hopefully will come in the near future, what

00:06:57.680 we've seen is that we've had a tremendous representation during this election campaign

00:07:05.520 by a lot of people that are considerably younger than myself, Corey. And so what I'm looking for is

00:07:11.840 six or eight potentially candidates that will at least consider running for the leadership of the party.

00:07:18.720 Once we get through this campaign, perhaps through the winter, we get things normalized or as normalized

00:07:24.400 as they're going to be as far as the growth of Maverick, then we can look forward to a leadership

00:07:29.200 race.

00:07:29.600 Yeah, well, and then leadership races can be very valuable party building exercises. They can also

00:07:34.960 tear a party to pieces if they aren't done right. It's a dangerous thing. But as Prime Minister Trudeau

00:07:41.360 threatened, if he doesn't get a majority, chances are there's going to be another election within less

00:07:46.080 than two years. So people know, I mean, the doldrums between elections can be really difficult for new parties.

00:07:52.480 I think we won elections all the time. But having an opportunity with one pending again would be

00:07:56.400 help to keep the vigor going, I imagine.

00:07:58.160 Exactly. Yeah, if it was four years, I think that, you know, a lot of people become discouraged

00:08:03.520 and potentially would at least walk away in the interim and refocus on their personal lives and

00:08:09.520 and trying to pay the bills and put food on the table as they should always anyway. You know, so I guess

00:08:16.720 we'll see where it goes. Hopefully people will stay engaged and especially as you say, all the polls

00:08:21.760 are currently indicating it's going to be a minority either in O'Toole or Trudeau minority government.

00:08:28.640 Probably if it's a Liberal minority, it'll last a bit longer, a Conservative minority a little bit

00:08:33.440 shorter, just depending on the balance and what kind of deals can be cut to support and gain the

00:08:39.360 confidence of the House of Commons.

00:08:41.040 Yeah, the Liberals are much more inclined to cut a deal with the NDP than the Conservatives would.

00:08:45.360 Yeah. But, you know, there have to be some times. The public, I don't think, would be very thrilled

00:08:49.280 with the confidence about hitting them six months after all of this. Something I'm certain you must

00:08:54.000 be hearing a lot of though, and that's something every alternative party cures about and we certainly

00:08:58.960 suffered under is a cure being worse than the disease scenario, vote splitting. You're drawing from

00:09:05.200 a traditional Conservative base. People are worried that that would lead to potentially getting

00:09:10.160 Liberal members in seats that they typically wouldn't. How can you address that?

00:09:15.440 Well, we've developed a strategy and fortunately for Maverick, we've been able to do that because

00:09:20.800 we are in our infancy and we only intend to run in the West anyway. There's 104 seats in the four

00:09:25.680 Western provinces. We identified early on that there was about 44 seats where we could safely run

00:09:32.080 and the people in those ridings could be assured that there's only one of two outcomes. Either they

00:09:40.720 re-elect largely their incumbent Conservative MP or they elect a Maverick member of Parliament.

00:09:47.120 And because we believe very strongly in running against the strongest held Conservatives in Western

00:09:54.480 Canada. So that's our sort of our 29 candidates that we have running with the exception of one out on the

00:10:00.480 island of British Columbia, what I refer to as Fantasy Island, out there on the left coast. We have, the

00:10:07.360 other 28 are running in very strong Conservatives ridings where they win by such wide margins,

00:10:13.360 Corey, that there's no way in which a Liberal or an NDP or Green or PPC, any of the national parties

00:10:21.840 in opposition to the Conservatives could come up the middle, as they say, and win those ridings.

00:10:26.640 Yeah, well, one of those is Banff Airdrie. We've been watching it closely, just because it's an

00:10:31.280 interesting exercise to watch with alternative parties. We had Tariqin, a fantastic candidate,

00:10:36.320 you guys are running up that way, as well as Nadine. Like this is a strong,

00:10:41.280 strong Conservative base area, which is why it's been so targeted. Something that was interesting,

00:10:45.120 I watched Derek Sloan's kick off, he parachuted over here. But he was introduced by a few year old

00:10:50.960 compatriots there, the old guard reforms, you know, Art was there, Rob Anders, Eric Lowther.

00:10:58.560 What's going to happen with Derek Sloan? Do you think he's building a party base out here? Or is

00:11:03.520 this going to be a one off? Because he does have some significant, I guess, traditional supporters

00:11:07.760 behind him. But it does seem to be kind of an unusual move. Well, unusual to say the least. I mean,

00:11:15.600 anybody's guess what was the tipping point of for why Mr. Sloan decided to come out and challenge

00:11:22.080 in Alberta, in Western Canada, as opposed to staying where he lives in Ontario and running for

00:11:28.640 his own seat there. If you look at what happened with Jody Wilson-Raybould, who just launched her book

00:11:34.560 yesterday. I mean, she chose to run in her riding in Vancouver, she ran a very strong campaign in 2019.

00:11:41.680 And it's very difficult for an independent like Mr. Sloan to win. But normally, they have their best

00:11:48.640 chance where they're best known. So I haven't talked to Mr. Sloan, I don't know why he made that choice

00:11:54.160 to come out to Alberta. And as you say, parachute into BAM Peridry. I personally believe that it's

00:12:00.560 going to be very, very difficult for him to attract more and more than just a core support in any riding

00:12:08.560 other than his own back in Ontario. So we'll just have to see. That's the great thing about democracy,

00:12:13.760 that people have the final say. He's got the right to come out and throw it out there.

00:12:16.800 Exactly. There's no residency requirements in federal law about running. There's been people

00:12:23.840 suggest to me, partly because of Mr. Sloan and his notoriety, that perhaps we should consider such a law

00:12:31.760 where you actually have to live in the riding. That's great. You know, I don't have a strong feeling one

00:12:36.400 way or the other, Corey, but it's out there now. It's been raised. And perhaps that's something that

00:12:42.400 should be considered or debated. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's just so little impact typically on the

00:12:47.280 parachute. As you said, we don't see very many independents. Lindsay Adda did that a long time 0.54

00:12:50.880 ago, but he didn't do it by moving. He was already well established in riding before he did.

00:12:55.280 Which is sort of the normal thing. Same with a former roommate of mine, Chuck Cadman. He lost the

00:13:00.800 conservative nomination until he turned around and ran as an independent and won because he was very

00:13:06.880 popular in his constituency. Yeah, but if he'd have bounced out and ran in Saskatchewan, it wasn't

00:13:11.600 going to work out. No, not at all. So getting to some policy-wise and some of the pressures that

00:13:16.160 we're seeing that on the federal conservative front, that's what a lot of us are frustrated with.

00:13:20.400 Aaron O'Toole has very much been bending over backwards to get the central Canadian support. He's

00:13:25.520 flip-flopped on the carbon tax. He's flip-flopped on the repealing of the gun law from Trudeau as well.

00:13:33.600 It sounds like he's going to give an unqualified check to Quebec for daycare even, but I don't

00:13:38.240 recall him offering that for the West. What's the response to how badly watered in my view

00:13:44.880 the Conservative Party has been getting at chasing the central votes? Well, I think there's no doubt

00:13:49.280 that he's being branded by columnists and commentators like yourself, Corey, quite accurately

00:13:56.080 as a red Tory, you know, returning the Conservative Party to its supposed roots under, say, a Joe Clark

00:14:05.040 type leader. I think that that's driving a lot of people crazy in Western Canada because they see

00:14:12.800 the pandering to central Canada that we've always noticed, but it's much more evident under Mr. O'Toole

00:14:22.480 for some of the issues you just said. I mean, I find it very depressing, actually, that all of our

00:14:29.600 Conservative members of Parliament in Western Canada, for example, have not said a word about how they feel

00:14:36.480 about Jason Kenney's equalization referendum. They haven't indicated to their supporters, to their

00:14:42.480 constituents, whether they intend to vote for it, or against it, and why. Something like that is of

00:14:49.600 immense importance to Albertans, especially, but also people in Saskatchewan and up in Northern

00:14:54.240 British Columbia, in my writing, former writing, and yet the Conservative MPs are silent, and it's

00:15:01.360 pretty obvious why they're silent, which is that they know that their leader and their whip, who is

00:15:06.880 just a little to the north of us in Van Ferdrie, Mr. Richards, would be very unhappy if they actually

00:15:14.160 came out in support of deleting the equalization principle from Canada's constitution. You'll recall

00:15:22.960 that Pierre Trudeau, Justin's father, put that, enshrined it in our constitution. So, Mr. Kenney's

00:15:29.040 trying to make a statement with the referendum next month, and yet, our Conservative MPs have said nothing

00:15:34.640 about it. And so, increasingly, we noticed that about a lot of issues. And, you know, so we're

00:15:41.760 not getting accurate representation, and that, at its core, is really what Maverick's all about.

00:15:47.360 So, getting on to representation with, of course, the big thing with reform back in our days was

00:15:52.880 Triple E, the Senate. We wanted to reform it. We also, and that's something that's getting forgotten,

00:15:56.320 and nobody's talking about, we have a Senate election approaching. That's right.

00:15:58.960 So, something that Premier Kenney has done, which has been frustrating and unfortunate,

00:16:03.840 at least, at the moment, only federally aligned candidates can run in that election. It used to

00:16:08.800 be provincial. Will the Maverick Party be fielding a candidate or candidates in this upcoming Senate

00:16:14.720 election in the municipal race coming up here soon? Well, we haven't put a name forward yet,

00:16:19.520 Corey, but we're certainly open to it. We've been completely focused, as you can imagine,

00:16:24.560 very limited resources. And when I say that, both financial and human resources, we don't have the

00:16:30.160 thousands of volunteers we'd love to have for this campaign. So, we've been very much focused

00:16:35.280 on the federal election, which is, you know, culminates on Monday. So, we'll certainly, it's

00:16:40.320 going to be an issue that the new council that was affirmed on August 7th, will be grappling with,

00:16:46.320 I'm sure, in the days immediately after this election, is whether to challenge with a Maverick

00:16:52.080 candidate in that election, or I would call it a selection, I guess, of a candidate for

00:16:59.520 appointment to the Senate. Yeah, well, we've had a long spread out tradition of at least trying,

00:17:04.880 and some get in there, and it'd be nice to see more in, you know, from the unfortunately short term

00:17:09.520 of Stan Waters, or on to Burt Brown was great in there, and Doug Black just recently stepped aside.

00:17:17.120 So, I mean, most of our people say it's a waste of time, and it's due to all, but no, some do get

00:17:20.720 through, and I still feel a little better having had some exercise of choice in the matter than

00:17:25.280 just being appointed by whoever's in power, whether Conservative or Liberal.

00:17:28.080 Exactly, and as we know, a lot of these things when it comes to governing are very slow,

00:17:33.760 incremental steps, frustratingly so for many people, but if you're going to, you know, put that

00:17:40.320 effort into constitutional change, and the election of Senators, of course, would be a constitutional change

00:17:46.400 in our country, I applaud Alberta for being persistent, and the perseverance Alberta has shown

00:17:53.520 in keeping putting forward names for Prime Ministers to appoint rather than using some other selection

00:18:00.400 process. Yeah, well, we are stubborn, if absolutely nothing else, and I hope we remain so.

00:18:08.080 So, I mean, given seats, given things that divide with things, though, is there, I mean, this is

00:18:15.440 election time, you can't really consider, but would there be consideration of cooperative talk with

00:18:19.920 some of the PPC members after this is over, things like that, because we need to kind of build a unified

00:18:24.080 base for reform, to use the old word for it? Well, of course, we are open, the Maverick Party,

00:18:30.240 our number one principle of our eight standing principles that anyone can find on our website at

00:18:36.800 maverickparty.ca. Our number one principle is that everyone's welcome within the Maverick Party,

00:18:43.520 despite, you know, past partisan activities or alignment with other parties, we want anybody

00:18:50.320 that believes that the West has always been getting a shafting from Central Canada, treated like a colony,

00:18:58.320 that it continues. One of our mainstay industries, our oil and gas industry, has been under attack

00:19:06.720 certainly increasingly since Justin Trudeau took over in 2015. So, the last six years have been

00:19:16.080 horrendous for our oil and gas industry, our energy industry, and we want to see a turnaround in that.

00:19:22.080 So, you know, I guess when I reflect on this, you know, irresponsible, unnecessary and unwanted election,

00:19:30.320 and I know you've remarked similarly, Corey. I cannot but think that somehow we're missing a lot of the

00:19:38.800 primary issues that Canadians, and in particular Western Canadians, should be seized with. And we

00:19:43.760 already talked about equalization, we should be talking about carbon taxes, we should be talking about,

00:19:48.480 in the news today, our inflation rate in Canada hit 4.1%, the highest since 2003. And I can't be the only one

00:19:56.800 that's noticing the increased cost of groceries when I go to the grocery store. And, you know,

00:20:02.720 there are tough times coming for Canadians, and in particular Western Canadians, because so many of

00:20:07.520 our federal policies discriminate against Western Canada, discriminate in particular against Alberta

00:20:14.640 in our energy industry. And here we sit. And throughout this election campaign, a lot of these things are

00:20:21.120 not even being discussed. And that's a deep, deep concern for myself, because the reason why I came out

00:20:28.080 of retirement and started this effort with a small group of other people is out of concern for future

00:20:34.080 generations. I think you and I are at that age, me more so than you, because you're way younger, but

00:20:41.120 but where we can survive, okay, through whatever comes, I think, you know, we're not raising children

00:20:47.200 any longer. Yeah, exactly. But our grandchildren, and even the generations that come after them,

00:20:52.400 inflation is being driven by rampant, unfettered government spending. And all of the three main

00:21:00.720 parties are talking about spending billions, if not hundreds of billions of dollars more. And that's

00:21:06.800 only going to fuel inflation, which is then going to fuel interest rates, which is going to infuel

00:21:13.040 higher taxes, which is ultimately going to fuel greater poverty. And it's important that Canadians

00:21:19.840 consider this during an election campaign. Well, yeah, and then the next thing we see is when they

00:21:23.920 realize, oh, my God, the books are a mess. Well, look at Alberta, they got all that oil and gas, you know,

00:21:28.960 all of a sudden, we'll be popular, as far as coming in and taking it, not letting us develop it. I mean,

00:21:33.840 again, we keep going in circles, and we still will need that voice for standing up for the West,

00:21:39.680 even if O'Toole becomes the next Prime Minister. I mean, something I've said before, a lot of times,

00:21:44.320 is when the Liberals screw the West, it creates a lot of alienated people. But when the Conservatives

00:21:49.760 screw the West, you create separatists, because we expected it out of the Liberals. It's when the

00:21:53.680 Conservatives do it to us that we lose it. And if we don't push back against kind of our own preferred

00:21:58.960 party, or at least hold a voice of conscience, they will drift to that Central Canadian view every time.

00:22:03.200 Yeah. And of course, case in point, history does repeat itself. And back in the reform days,

00:22:09.520 of course, it was a majority Conservative government under Brian Mulroney, that fueled Western

00:22:15.280 separatism, that fueled alienation that ultimately led to the reform birth and growth of the Reform Party,

00:22:22.240 and the West wants in. Well, we've tried that, we tried that, and nobody more so than myself and

00:22:28.080 people like Stephen Harper. We've tried that, and it doesn't work. And so we've got to recognize it

00:22:34.000 doesn't work and do something different. Well, great. So as the election goes, we've got a few

00:22:38.640 days left. Where can people find more information about you guys, find out if they've got a local

00:22:42.640 candidate, how to support the candidate, the party, all that good stuff? Well, it's all on our website,

00:22:46.880 Corey, at www.maverickparty.ca. It's completely open. It explains our mission statement, our twin

00:22:55.040 track approach to either fixing, you know, a fair deal for Western Canada. Within Confederation,

00:23:02.720 we put forward five amendments to accomplish that, amendments to Canada's constitution, or track B,

00:23:08.240 which is to increasingly build a foundation for independence. And independence could mean

00:23:12.960 anything on a broad spectrum. It could mean, you know, basically copying what Quebec has done for

00:23:17.920 itself, carve out a nation within a nation for Western provinces. And it could mean all of those

00:23:23.760 things that go with that, control of your own immigration, your own pension plan, greater control

00:23:29.840 of healthcare administration without interference from the Canada Health Act. And you can go down a long

00:23:35.520 list, our own police force. So it could mean a lot of things, different things. And ultimately,

00:23:41.920 should they choose in a provincial referendum under the rules of the Clarity Act, it could mean

00:23:47.920 a completely separate sovereign nation. But all of that remains to be seen. It's in the future.

00:23:53.200 In the meantime, I'm certainly holding out hope that people will look to Mavericks in these 29

00:23:59.920 ridings and look to elect a true Western representative. Great. Well, is there going to be an election

00:24:06.240 gathering by any chance actually, or are you guys still planning that? Well, I think that it'll probably be

00:24:11.680 more independent based on the candidates and their campaign teams, rather than some big gathering.

00:24:18.400 Of course, we're very respectful of this whole business with the COVID and, you know, the need to

00:24:25.200 be extremely careful for a lot of people. I just saw something today that shows that the hospitalizations,

00:24:32.240 apparently, I think it was in the Western standard, which is, you know, always right on top of the issues

00:24:38.320 of importance to Western Canada. Now, I think it was in a Western standard article, I was just reading

00:24:43.600 this morning with my morning coffee, that, that apparently vaccinated and unvaccinated people,

00:24:50.640 both 50-50 as far as hospitalization. So that's pretty worrisome for both sides, both those that have

00:24:56.240 made the choice, and we support freedom of choice on this issue, that have either chosen to be vaccinated

00:25:03.280 or not vaccinated, but it doesn't seem to be making any difference right now with this, this variant

00:25:08.560 D that's sort of run away with, with the situation, especially in Alberta right now.

00:25:14.960 They're crazy times. I know that was the stats for the people getting hospitalized, but a lot fewer

00:25:21.360 in general were getting infected who were vaccinated versus not. So there just still seem to be some

00:25:26.560 benefits, just perhaps not as much as we all kind of hoped it would be.

00:25:30.000 But I, I return that, you know, I, it's, it's certainly in our view, and that's why we put

00:25:36.320 freedom even in the slogan, uh, in our name, uh, with the Maverick party is that we do believe that

00:25:42.160 it's a fundamental freedom for people to make those kinds of choices for themselves.

00:25:46.000 Great. Well, thank you very much for coming in. It's always good talking with you. We're looking

00:25:51.040 forward to election night in less than a week from now. And, uh, certainly we'll talk again after then.

00:25:55.760 I certainly hope so, Corey. Thanks for giving me the time on, on your show.

00:25:59.760 Great. Thanks, Jake. All right.

Western Standard - September 15, 2021

One on one with Jay Hill, interim leader of the Maverick Party

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