Western Standard - September 18, 2025


Parliament is back. Is Canada on the right track？


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In this week's episode, the panel is joined by the Western Standard's Senior Columnist, Corey Morgan, Senior Editor, and News Editor, Dave Naylor, and Opinion Editor, Nigel Hannaford, to discuss all things Canadian politics.

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00:00:00.000 good evening i'm corey morgan a senior columnist with the western
00:00:29.600 standard and this is the pipeline this is our weekly panel show where we bring the experts in
00:00:35.360 to break down a few selected issues and interpret the news for you or at least try to the news gets
00:00:41.360 a little too crazy to keep up on it sometimes so i've got a great and learned a group of people
00:00:47.200 to speak with today though i'll start kind of in the far end of the folks who are here in person
00:00:51.040 because dave hasn't appeared on the pipeline nearly enough times is our news editor dave
00:00:54.640 Naylor, how's it going? It's good, glad to be here. It has been a while but I'm looking forward to
00:01:00.240 bloviating with such esteemed callings. Excellent and in the middle here we have Nigel Hannaford,
00:01:06.800 fresh off retirement from the full-time opinion editing but still providing his wisdom to us here.
00:01:12.560 Gone but not forgotten. Yes, well good to see you as always and we have coming in remotely Elyse
00:01:19.040 Mills to add some great input and something better to look at than us bunch of grumpy old men here
00:01:25.680 sitting on the panel. So thanks for coming in to join us again this week, Elise.
00:01:30.660 Well, thanks for having me. I'm the refugee from the left coast.
00:01:34.200 Yes, well, surviving so far. We've got lots to cover today. You know, it's fall, things are
00:01:42.820 happening. The new scroll is picking up, political season's coming. So for the wonks and dorks like
00:01:47.920 us we can have much more grist to chew on so uh nigel is to start parliament is back in session
00:01:54.640 what have we got to look forward to well you've got to look forward to a budget on november the
00:01:59.040 fourth we haven't seen one of those since april of 2024 uh it was a sort of a that was the one
00:02:04.880 you might recall where christia freeland upset the apple cart for uh mr trudeau and led to
00:02:11.840 ultimately the fact that there is no continued liberal supremacy in parliament instead of the
00:02:17.520 conservative one that seemed almost inevitable at the time anyway there we are she's got her reward
00:02:23.360 she is now a special envoy to the ukraine and uh apparently is not going to serve out her time
00:02:30.400 other than that i think we need to get into a discussion about what mr carney has actually
00:02:37.600 uh proposed here the we have the bill five which is we'll see five which is the the one that's
00:02:44.160 supposed to rebuild the country with exciting new projects first five that he announced under that
00:02:50.400 legislation the first throughput of the major projects office turned out to be all things that
00:02:55.920 were already approved under the old regime so that doesn't really make the point but what does uh
00:03:02.800 strike me is that it seems to be a centralizing tendency with uh with mr carney get all the big
00:03:10.240 stuff coming into cabinet once it's in cabinet get it into this little special committee and
00:03:15.760 run the whole country from the uh you know the kitchen table at the back of the pmo so it's uh
00:03:22.480 it's a little early to to say that that's a fact but i'm beginning to wonder whether that's the
00:03:28.160 strategy yeah mark carney took tuesday off question period after just doing monday we needed a day off
00:03:35.120 i guess and he was he was back today uh he doesn't look overly comfortable in my opinion
00:03:40.800 uh you know pierre polly have been there for 20 years a very polished orator and uh interesting
00:03:48.000 today uh polly have just said how big is the deficit literally how big is the deficit and
00:03:53.280 mark carney refused to say so i think we're in for a very eye-opening number on november 4th
00:03:59.900 That would do.
00:04:01.040 So for at least, you know, policy, tactics, strategy, that's kind of one of your specialties there.
00:04:06.980 I think Paliyev has to kind of try to frame himself a little differently this session around.
00:04:12.440 I mean, he's proven himself an effective opposition leader.
00:04:15.200 But as we saw in the last election, Canadians, at least in the East, weren't ready to select him as the country's leader.
00:04:20.780 Do you think he's going to take on a different tactic this session?
00:04:24.420 I'm not so sure about that.
00:04:26.160 And I think that is the large frustration amongst certain conservatives.
00:04:29.920 I mean, all of us out here in the West and forgive me, I will include myself as a Western
00:04:34.540 Canadian, even though I'm from B.C.
00:04:37.540 But, you know, out here, that is a style that I think specifically we can really relate
00:04:43.180 to that really lines up with our, you know, social credit roots, how the West was really
00:04:50.040 built.
00:04:50.500 But I think for the more precious in Toronto, the precious Tories, it's more difficult for them to digest that more pointed approach that Mr. Polyev has.
00:05:04.260 I would suggest, though, that watching him in the last couple of days, I think he's more jovial.
00:05:09.960 He's a little more affable.
00:05:11.720 It was nice to see the start to the session where there was a chewing, a throwing back and forth, some smiles.
00:05:18.880 But I do think Mr. Polyev and the front bench are really going to have to get down to the business of chasing these liberals because they are running into the dark corners.
00:05:29.720 Let's give a good example. Yesterday, before the House committee, you had the Parliamentary Budget Office there.
00:05:36.920 That was an embarrassment. That was an absolute sham.
00:05:40.580 Even the PBO staff had their head in their hands.
00:05:44.060 They could not believe that this Liberal government, and it doesn't matter who the leader is because it's all the same at this point, that they've walked away from producing any sort of spreadsheet or any fiscal update.
00:05:58.220 There's been absolutely nothing.
00:06:00.260 And Carney was supposed to be different.
00:06:02.780 The other thing that we're seeing is that the Prime Minister and the Liberals really don't understand the size of this deficit at this point.
00:06:11.380 And the numbers are fluctuating.
00:06:13.280 The other thing is the message from the Liberal frontbench, including their finance minister, Francois Champagne, was very much, shame on you Canadians.
00:06:21.480 This is going to be a really difficult budget for you.
00:06:24.720 You guys should tighten your belts.
00:06:26.860 Get ready for what's going to happen because you've never seen anything like it.
00:06:30.600 I am completely offended by these Liberals.
00:06:33.120 This was completely avoidable, what's happening to Canada.
00:06:36.700 Canada would not have gone down as would the FUD they did when Trump showed up with the tariffs.
00:06:42.400 If we had had a functioning economy and we had understood the lessons we had learned during the pandemic, which is our inability to supply our own needs, whether it's supply management in this country, getting food moving across the provinces, whether it's our energy supply, whether it's military, whether it's protecting our water and zero pharmaceutical in this country now.
00:07:09.560 So I think that Mr. Polyev, getting back to the question that you asked me, Corey, I think Mr. Polyev just needs to change the conversation, not necessarily the style, because I think Canadians are largely uninformed of the severe negligence that the Liberals and incompetence that the Liberals have brought to the table.
00:07:29.760 And I swear, today, I felt like starting a collective action against this government for the abuse of the taxpayer.
00:07:39.120 I really did.
00:07:41.340 You know, Elise, I agree with you 100% here.
00:07:46.940 I would have to say that Pierre Polyev has got the public pulse.
00:07:51.500 Because the proof, if you want it, is that Mr. Carney picked up his platform, walked away with it, and won the election with it.
00:07:58.200 so we know that we know that mr paliev is on track what is it that he has to do that he can do
00:08:08.140 now to bring people on side and reward him for the fruits of his mind well i would say let's
00:08:16.060 remember that mr mr or let's just call him here because that's what i call him but he was
00:08:22.460 bopping down the road across the country people had it was a blend of trudeau fatigue or absolute
00:08:30.460 outrage uh with the trudeau liberals and trudeau himself uh in ontario there was serious questions
00:08:37.420 around what i just said manufacturing the ability to keep jobs um you know canadians are are are
00:08:44.840 we have to wait for carny fatigue now well that that's it but then what came along was a side
00:08:51.380 swipe and basically Ford pulling Pierre's jersey over his head and doing a cheap and dirty side
00:08:58.440 swipe. There is no love lost between the Ontario Conservatives and what I would say is the rest of
00:09:03.980 us. So you've got to remember there was an inside takeout that happened. I think that tripped up
00:09:09.220 Pierre and the campaign much more than we understood. I think that also set in a narrative
00:09:16.120 that was happening in Ontario when Carney came around.
00:09:19.200 I think it made people that were on the fence
00:09:22.020 go back to the Liberals and say,
00:09:24.460 it's better to vote for what I know
00:09:27.900 and trust Carney's resume that he's dragging around the country
00:09:32.160 than to deal with this inside fighting
00:09:34.260 and this quite embarrassing situation
00:09:36.340 that's being created by Doug Ford
00:09:38.980 and it's tripping up the Conservatives.
00:09:41.600 I think it really damaged Pierre and the Conservatives
00:09:44.460 anything east of manitoba so getting a little farther into things i mean things that i think
00:09:51.420 that the conservatives are going to latch on to i mean is the spending the budget uh dave i know
00:09:55.840 your newsroom's been busy constantly reporting on new spending initiatives and more and more money
00:10:00.540 going out the door carney used the word austerity recently too and apparently not in jest but i'm
00:10:06.160 just wondering which stories have you written on any austerity measures so far uh not too many i
00:10:12.940 don't think, Corey. He's talked about cutting the civil service, but then he's sort of hinted
00:10:18.500 that he's going to let people attrition take care of that. The CTF has called for deep and
00:10:28.220 meaningful cuts. So it's going to be a very, very interesting budget. I mean, if it was a
00:10:35.320 conservative government, you would hopefully call it a slash and burn budget. But if it's that kind
00:10:41.720 a budget will the the mainstream media frame it as such or will they give Carney a bit of a break
00:10:47.300 well they've been prone to giving him breaks so far I mean the signs you can see on the wall I
00:10:51.920 think if they're really going to mean it we didn't I mean everything comes in cycles we haven't
00:10:55.640 really seen slash and burn budget since the 90s uh I think though you know one of the best people
00:11:00.160 who did it was of course Ralph Klein everybody did Harris did even Romano did but they usually
00:11:05.500 started by cutting their own you know Klein was smart for the optics hey we're going to cut out
00:11:10.080 our MLA salaries and we're going to
00:11:12.480 take a slash off ourselves before
00:11:14.440 we ask it of the rest of the service
00:11:16.600 and the Liberals, they're not
00:11:18.560 tapping the brakes on any
00:11:20.300 personal spending, I mean you're
00:11:22.420 reporting on more spending outrageous by the day
00:11:24.240 it seems. Yeah, it's, you know
00:11:26.300 maybe they'll surprise us, maybe
00:11:28.380 they'll freeze MP's salary in the budget
00:11:30.280 and you hit the nail on the
00:11:32.500 head, Corey, if you're going to ask Canadians to tighten
00:11:34.280 their belts, then they have to be
00:11:36.460 seen to doing the same thing for themselves
00:11:38.320 Yeah. Well, they said freedom. They might save a few bucks. So, Elise, what are you expecting, perhaps? Like, we're going to start seeing the policies dropping, though. What do you think the agenda of the Liberals is? The other part of the austerity, they said, of course, is investments, which means spending, of course. But where do you think they're going to go?
00:11:57.580 I mean, B.C. released their numbers, obviously, in a whopping record-breaking deficit of 11.7, and it's going to grow.
00:12:09.160 We're going to get to 12.6.
00:12:10.660 The first thing that David Eby did was announce all two key projects that we've been waiting for in this province for eight years.
00:12:19.000 I suspect that the reason why we see the budget go down to November the 4th or push up to November the 4th is because they're going to use the month of October to try and put together some version of a bilateral trade deal with Mexico to cover their states there, because I don't think we're going to get a deal with the Americans, not at least in the way that Carney originally promised.
00:12:41.660 The other thing is I think we're going to start to see some of these big projects announced so that it's covering and covering the numbers that are going to come in the budget.
00:12:50.100 So I think we're going to be in for a deluge of these big announcements with very little ROI to show for it as we go into what I think is going to be one of the most heartbreaking budgets that Canadians have ever seen.
00:13:04.920 Yeah, well, Nigel, I mean, if we've got a bunch of big projects coming, if that C5 means something and he says there's more coming.
00:13:11.080 I did a little research.
00:13:12.460 Every one of the things he proposed, though,
00:13:14.180 has Indigenous challengers against it
00:13:16.540 and environmentalist groups challenging,
00:13:18.120 from the Ontario nuclear to the BC mining to the LNG plant.
00:13:22.900 Carney's going to have to take a stand at some point
00:13:25.120 and say, that's it, we're done.
00:13:27.220 But do you think he has that fortitude?
00:13:29.180 I mean, just saying it in a bill is one thing,
00:13:31.260 but they've got to have to put their foot down
00:13:33.500 and say, this is a goal.
00:13:35.580 Well, Corey, I have a long and distinguished record
00:13:38.080 of being completely wrong about things.
00:13:41.080 So I offer this with a certain amount of humility, but I actually believe that Mr. Carney won't be that disappointed if some of these large projects founder on the rocks of provincial objections and indigenous rights.
00:13:58.940 because the projects that are going to funder
00:14:01.900 are the ones which involve energy,
00:14:06.320 the ones that are of interest in Alberta and Saskatchewan
00:14:09.820 and to northeastern BC as well.
00:14:12.180 I mean, the EB government gets money from them too.
00:14:16.980 But all this talk about, you know, there will be a pipeline,
00:14:21.800 but it's got to be decarbonized oil,
00:14:24.000 and the Indians have to sign on.
00:14:28.940 Right there, there are two obstacles that are going to be quite hard to meet quickly.
00:14:37.200 They may be able to meet them.
00:14:39.000 And the other thing that he's talking about is, or actually, Premier Daniel Smith is talking about it.
00:14:45.820 Well, look, okay, we can meet the net zero requirements of these big energy projects with carbon capture.
00:14:54.500 and yes technically you can but is it going to be economic i mean we we know we can we're doing it
00:15:01.540 at waybride they they bury the carbon down in the carbon dioxide thousands of feet underground
00:15:08.660 but is it going to be economic on the grand scale that will actually allow alberta to develop its
00:15:17.860 oil sands achieve net zero and still leave enough on the table to interest the investors and i
00:15:24.900 would suspect that mr carney would at the end of it all say well we tried but it couldn't be done
00:15:32.100 we couldn't satisfy the indigenous lobby we couldn't alberta couldn't make money at this
00:15:37.380 so terrible shame great idea end of story but he seems to to have premier smith sort of happy
00:15:44.900 and going along with it and you know she she had the opportunity to to uh to go crazy on them when
00:15:51.860 they announced no pipelines in the first five projects but she's saying okay everybody keep
00:15:56.180 calm keep your powder dry you know there's things going on there's they're not ruling out a pipeline
00:16:00.900 they may announce one later and we know behind the scenes i think she's talking to some uh some
00:16:06.260 companies about you know doing projects and pipelines but you know if he's got danielle
00:16:12.980 smith convinced he might have most of the country convinced well you know dave i'm not sure that he
00:16:17.780 does no i don't have any special knowledge here but i'm not sure that he does have danielle smith
00:16:23.140 convinced what i do think is that danielle smith had to say something fairly positive
00:16:28.020 what would have been the benefit at this point of coming out guns blazing creating a stink and
00:16:35.860 saying this is never going to work anyway okay well what's your good ideal and so i think
00:16:40.740 I think she has to give it, whatever she thinks privately, she has to give it time to run the course so that reasonable people can say, well, we gave it a go and I guess it wasn't going to happen.
00:16:55.880 So she was right all along.
00:16:57.680 That's my guess.
00:16:58.500 I could see a bit of that.
00:16:59.540 I mean, part of what mollified Premier Smith a bit, perhaps, was this talk that maybe that odious emissions cap is going to be scrapped.
00:17:05.780 I mean, that's a big one.
00:17:06.600 That's one that I didn't think he was going to budge on.
00:17:08.320 And then again, I mean, I think most of us are, I'll believe it when I see it.
00:17:11.240 He's talking a great game, but he's been doing it seven months and he really hasn't done a damn thing yet.
00:17:14.840 But that's dangerous territory.
00:17:16.820 We still got to be not zero.
00:17:17.960 Well, and we forget the flip side and maybe Elise can address areas like BC and Toronto.
00:17:23.180 That would be very unpopular to get rid of that emissions cap there.
00:17:28.240 Well, we painted ourselves into a corner.
00:17:30.420 I mean, the only possibility I see of getting a pipeline done is while David Eby and the NBCNDP are politically in no man's land or fighting for their lives in the middle ground.
00:17:42.260 They already have lost their environmental vote.
00:17:44.840 That's not going to come back to them.
00:17:46.800 They've made these huge announcements with LNG.
00:17:49.720 The environmentalists are starting to protest them.
00:17:52.240 They're not in a good position with the public sector.
00:17:54.600 They've got 180 plus contract negotiations ahead of them.
00:17:58.660 David Evie is in a cycle of flubs and serious errors.
00:18:04.760 I think you try and have that pipeline conversation now.
00:18:08.380 I believe that Daniel Smith, as she said over the summer, that she has proponents.
00:18:13.760 She has people from the private sector that want that pipeline.
00:18:17.000 And I think that pipeline is going to Prince Rupert.
00:18:19.920 I don't believe it's going to be reheated on that original route.
00:18:24.320 It was ripe with problems.
00:18:25.720 And it's not popular in certain areas.
00:18:28.220 I think you can get it to Prince Rupert. I think that might also explain why the
00:18:33.180 Carney liberals and the prime minister specifically is interested in talking high
00:18:38.180 speed rail through British Columbia. It's something that hasn't particularly made a
00:18:43.000 lot of sense for us beforehand. I think he sort of sees that there can be a business development
00:18:48.800 case for other sectors if you bring a pipeline there. But my general feeling is that I feel
00:18:55.240 about 50 50 on it but we'd have to strike now to be able to do it while david eby and the ndp are
00:19:01.260 shaking in their boots as they're looking at i think what is going to be an absolute free fall
00:19:05.700 for them okay well we'll be watching parliament with interest as it unfolds it's just the first
00:19:12.280 part of i guess kind of a new government and uh well but week by week we'll see if anything
00:19:17.040 actually gets accomplished at least who is that comedian who's got a 450 000 contract of supply
00:19:24.940 one-liners to the premier's office. Yeah, Charlie Demers or Demers or something like that. I saw
00:19:34.680 his social media this morning. He seems, I'll tell you, he proudly talks about how he started in the
00:19:43.060 Marxist movement and that he specifically chose not to go to college, if I have this right, not to
00:19:48.000 go to post-secondary so he could work in a lighting manufacturers facility to help push
00:19:55.460 better pay for those workers. I will tell you, when I read his Wikipedia page, if he wrote that,
00:20:01.340 I don't know what we're paying for. It has spelling mistakes. It's grammatically incorrect
00:20:05.580 in certain parts. And I'm not sure. I actually believe it's very truthful. And if you read it,
00:20:12.020 it's quite scary to, I would, you know, to a fiscal conservative and somebody that,
00:20:16.300 you know, promotes free enterprise, but, and, and he's a little bit too cute by half. But the
00:20:21.740 other problem here is, is that David Eby, and we've known this for at least 12 months, he has
00:20:28.460 loaded up his offices and put, and it's not just his office, it's the public service on the, on
00:20:35.220 the deputy premier side. It is other areas of the public service where friends, there's a huge
00:20:40.680 friends and family program that's taken place. He also has six high-level communications officers
00:20:47.620 in his office. And I'll tell you something, when I was working communications provincially here,
00:20:55.280 and I was acting as a spokesperson and a pundit, Gordon Campbell's office was pretty slim.
00:21:01.660 It was a tight, streamlined group of people. And I can tell you, there was no way that David Eby
00:21:07.080 has more speeches than Gordon Campbell or even a Brad Wall. As you might remember, Brad Wall's team
00:21:14.060 was very, very sleek as well. So was Danielle Smith's. So it's an obscene amount of people
00:21:20.060 over there. And this contract has been, it's changed over time. The other thing is, this
00:21:26.700 writer, Charlie Demers, proudly talks about how he wrote many, many jokes for the former premier
00:21:32.880 the late John Horgan. Anyone that knew John Horgan and was circling at the BC Ledge can tell
00:21:39.320 you that John Horgan for the first few years had anything but a sense of humor. No one remembers
00:21:44.840 a funny joke from him. He was notorious for a wicked temper. David Evey might have a sense
00:21:53.800 of humor, but I'm not so sure where the comedy relief is coming from either. So it's a really
00:21:58.740 strange situation but i'll tell you governments don't go as you guys know governments don't go
00:22:03.120 down on one story they go down by a thousand cuts and i will tell you i think the ev government is
00:22:08.280 somewhere you know the 699 mark it's not going to be very far from now problem is those bc
00:22:14.280 conservatives are messy right now and they need to get their act together so it's a bit of a it's
00:22:19.920 a bit of a gong show as it always is in bc well it certainly surprised me when i saw it in the
00:22:24.680 Western Standard this morning. I thought you were the low bidder on that job.
00:22:28.720 As our headline to the story said, it's no laughing matter.
00:22:35.280 I guess we'll turn from, you know, a bit of a joking matter, but to getting pretty dark.
00:22:41.080 It was a year ago exactly, a week ago exactly now, when that horrific video emerged
00:22:46.440 for Charlie Kirk being assassinated in Utah. Thankfully, I guess in some ways things progressed
00:22:52.860 quickly they caught what appears to be the man who did it and he won't be able to harm anybody else
00:22:58.040 but you know what became the story very quickly and and dave you you know wrote stories on it
00:23:04.540 pretty quickly afterwards was the responses from some people just horrific ghoulish uh vitriolic
00:23:11.360 grave dancing i i mean we've almost come to expect it from some people but it still
00:23:16.660 shocks you know the the body wasn't even cold yet and people were coming out and we expected from
00:23:22.760 some anonymous clown on the internet or something but we're talking about professors uh senior
00:23:27.940 politicians press members what the hell was with that feeding transit it was absolutely disgusting
00:23:33.620 wasn't it and it just shows you how polarizing this country or this society has become when
00:23:40.900 you know thousands of people are celebrating a man's death a father's death uh you know a
00:23:46.160 husband's death and as you said the body wasn't even cold before they started dancing a lot of
00:23:52.440 people are paying paying for it though you know they woke up tuesday morning or i guess it would
00:23:57.820 be thursday morning to find out their drunk text has got them fired uh there's investigations uh
00:24:04.140 university of calgary into what a professor says but there's a teacher in toronto who showed the
00:24:09.940 video and if you've seen the video it's it's horrifically gory and it'll stay with you forever
00:24:15.620 And he shows his kids in the class, the video, and then talks about how he deserved it and whatnot.
00:24:22.700 So you're right, Corey, it was shocking.
00:24:25.480 And just to see how high it got up in the ivory towers of North America.
00:24:32.260 Well, these are the people that are speaking to and influencing our children, our graduates,
00:24:37.340 you know, people who are going to be the next generation.
00:24:39.160 and that that hatred like at least seeing the word and we've watched it for years getting bandied
00:24:46.280 about more and more fascist nazi those two words and they're getting applied to everybody in every
00:24:51.260 circumstance and if you actually believe if you really actually believe at the core of your person
00:24:55.280 that this person is the up and coming reincarnation of adolf hitler you know people always just do
00:25:00.380 that mental exercise if you could go back in time to austria and take out hitler would you do so
00:25:05.220 If some mentally unstable people are truly convinced that pundits like Charlie Kirk are representing something that evil, they feel almost a duty to take it on themselves, to take it out.
00:25:16.940 Like, this has been fed over time.
00:25:19.620 And the attitude of academia dancing on his grave kind of proves that out.
00:25:26.040 Yeah.
00:25:26.320 You know, after the shock, and we were all together a week ago today, and all of us saw that video.
00:25:34.100 and it has really stayed with me.
00:25:37.720 It is incredibly graphic
00:25:38.980 and I almost wish I hadn't seen it.
00:25:41.680 I think I'm still in shock
00:25:43.060 that he's no longer with us.
00:25:44.540 I've talked to a lot of my Republican friends
00:25:46.800 from North Carolina to Texas
00:25:50.340 to Washington, D.C. and Oklahoma.
00:25:56.380 And I'll say that it's riveting.
00:26:00.300 It's not riveting.
00:26:01.620 It's ricocheting between, um, with all of us and to see what, what has transpired on the left is
00:26:10.220 absolutely stomach churning. But I want to bring something up that, that I think Charlie's death.
00:26:16.500 Um, and again, I only knew him superficially from the time that I attended some of his conferences
00:26:21.620 or fundraisers or things like that, but he was just a force to reckon with. And I was very envious
00:26:28.140 of his skill set but i want to bring something up that i've noticed and it brought back to the
00:26:33.020 industry of outrage and these rage entrepreneurs and it happens on the right as much as it happens
00:26:39.420 on the left and but with the left it's paid for and co-signed by public institutions union leaders
00:26:46.540 you name it but we see it on twitter and we saw it especially spike prior to the federal election
00:26:53.420 where expertise goes out the window people that uh people are trying to emulate charlie kirk or
00:27:01.420 give the lefty version of charlie kirk but without any of the competencies that any of us sitting
00:27:07.260 here have and definitely the competencies he has and what they are doing left and right is rage
00:27:13.180 baiting and what concerns me is that charlie knew how to bring people in that were disaffected
00:27:19.500 disassociating from society or from the, and I should be careful how I say that,
00:27:26.220 contributing to politics in their countries that were disconnected from community and family and
00:27:32.160 faith. And he brought that anger, that outrage, and that frustration in. And through his immense
00:27:38.380 skill set, his comprehension of history, politics, and legislation and law in America and other
00:27:46.960 places he was able to redirect those young people and now some of those older people to a positive
00:27:54.860 contribution get involved at your local level get involved in your community go back to church put
00:28:00.480 the phone down get married have kids what concerns me is that we've seen a rash in Canada including
00:28:08.800 people pretending to say that they were putting together a turning point Canada chapter which is
00:28:14.740 absolutely not true um and they're trying to they're pulling this grift on becoming the next
00:28:21.140 charlie kirk and when you go through these huge um twitter accounts and and youtube accounts you
00:28:29.220 see that they're they're grifting on these three word leads that are gotcha leads but when you
00:28:35.060 watch them they have absolutely no expertise no experience no understanding of how this country
00:28:40.500 works, no understanding how the law works. And so my concern is that when you when they're getting
00:28:45.440 something like 250,000 views, and they have, you know, half a million people following them,
00:28:50.720 or 250,000 people following them, whether they're left or right, they are really just housing rage
00:28:57.840 in their subscribers. Where is that rage going? And I think that is contributing to a lot of what
00:29:04.820 we're seeing. And how that business model works on the right is very different than how it works
00:29:10.040 on the left. And I think we need to have a conversation about it. I love that people,
00:29:14.860 especially on the conservative side, you saw, you know, a huge bloom of young people becoming
00:29:20.840 conservative activists. But there is, you still have to put the time in, you still have to
00:29:26.440 understand how this country works. You still have to tell the truth. You can't rage bait,
00:29:31.260 that is not going to get us anywhere on the left. That has been a cottage industry for over a
00:29:36.680 It is now a multi-million dollar industry, and it is pushed along by the public institutions.
00:29:42.680 It's pushed along by certain leaderships and definitely the union leadership.
00:29:46.680 So I want us to start thinking about what we can do in the name of the best of Charlie Kirk.
00:29:53.680 And for me, that's something that I'm going to continue to focus in on and try and break down.
00:29:59.680 And it's going to be a difficult thing to do sometimes,
00:30:02.680 sometimes because those people might be sitting on the same side of the fence that i'm voting on
00:30:07.240 or that i'm speaking to but we can't continue to support these types of accounts and these types of
00:30:15.260 events that are that are going on in the name of charlie kirk sorry guys it's my rant of the week
00:30:22.260 that's all right uh so so i mean to carry further from it i mean
00:30:27.280 at least mentioned, I mean, it's the online thing. The world's changed. The immediacy with which we
00:30:33.600 can communicate, the way that even a small player can suddenly turn into a very large one if they
00:30:37.960 grab the right social media audience at the right time, but it doesn't mean they're going to be
00:30:41.140 responsibly using that platform or making people get along better. I mean, one of the counters to
00:30:47.740 that was rallies, getting in person, speeches. We do them now and then. What I fear coming out of
00:30:53.460 this a bit if we see these things happening is a chill and people not wanting to go to these
00:30:58.100 in-person events any longer, whether it's audience members or speakers. I mean, it's not been a high
00:31:03.180 risk in Canada, but you still might wonder at the back of your head, is that guy in the back of the
00:31:09.340 audience over there pacing? Is he just really got to go to the washroom or is he getting a rifle
00:31:13.340 ready? This could really harm discourse and that, you know, humanity. We dehumanize when we go
00:31:22.220 online when we're in person we can't do that yeah well i mean use the word dehumanizing you use it
00:31:28.860 accurately in this situation because there is something inhuman about taking that such delight
00:31:35.820 in the distress or the death of another person i mean years ago they used to say don't speak
00:31:41.820 ill of the dead well you know that was a at a time when there was a very different ethos
00:31:48.300 that was respected in society it didn't mean everybody went to church but it doesn't it did
00:31:53.820 mean that uh there was there was some sense of common decency well where does that sense of
00:31:59.020 common decency come from and where has it now gone what i what i i suspect i do think that
00:32:07.500 the sheer immediacy of social media has got a lot to do with it not everything because
00:32:14.300 it only transmit what is there but um when when mabe lincoln was shot in 1865
00:32:21.900 if anybody would say well good riddance of abe lincoln none of the papers would have reported it
00:32:27.020 and that person would have had no loud speaker to speak with so we get the impression that in past
00:32:34.380 times those kinds of events were not commented on in the same way well now of course you pull
00:32:42.220 out your phone and the next minute you're you're you're telling what you really feel to to the
00:32:47.740 whole world you get 90 000 100 000 people doing that it starts to look like something
00:32:54.220 sorry don't go ahead one of the scary things to me was how quickly he seemed to become
00:32:58.540 indoctrinated with all the left-wing uh stuff you know he only recently started to talk to his
00:33:05.180 father about uh uh you know how he didn't like charlie kirk uh he told his transgendered furry
00:33:12.220 friend lover uh that it was he'd been planning this for five days so that's nuts you know it's
00:33:18.940 very very quick that his mind sort of snapped uh you know it wasn't a case of years and years and
00:33:24.860 years i don't think more will come out you know as the case goes forward but he seemed to become
00:33:30.380 quite deranged very quickly you know i gotta go to a little bit religious on you here for
00:33:35.820 just a half a second but you go back in the old testament you look what happened to the prophets
00:33:41.900 pretty well all of them they tend to get murdered were murdered who murdered them people who didn't
00:33:47.020 like what they said who murdered charlie kirk people didn't like what he said kirk is known
00:33:54.380 for being a republican but he's also known for being a very a very outspoken christian apologist
00:34:00.220 something like the prophets were spoken apologists for jehovah in the times they lived
00:34:06.380 you go through society and you go for hidden and you see these periods where when revolutions
00:34:13.420 happened we remember the revolution for what it was what we don't often focus on is the hatred
00:34:20.220 for god that undermined that underlay these uh these revolutions in the french revolution
00:34:27.260 there were thousands of priests who were murdered churches were closed people chased away in the
00:34:32.380 russian revolution same thing and you know you could go on you could talk about china
00:34:39.180 that's not a good place to try and start a church at the moment so people tend to hate what it is
00:34:46.140 that they perceive about uh about the god of the bible and reject the people who stand for it
00:34:53.340 charlie kirk i would submit as a perfect example in our own day it certainly is and and i i mean
00:35:01.100 it's go ahead to lisa i i was gonna say um i i think a lot of cons well conservative women in
00:35:08.140 my position uh especially when i was doing a lot of national tv or american tv and the left in
00:35:15.020 canada didn't like it um the left and including union leaders had no problem shoving me or or
00:35:22.700 getting physical with female conservatives. I think Michelle Rempel went through some scary
00:35:28.740 moments. I know I did. My child was locked in a classroom by a social studies teacher with all of
00:35:35.320 her classmates. And he berated her that your mother's a fascist. I happened to be in the
00:35:40.000 building for a meeting with the principal. When I found out what was happening, I bounded up those
00:35:46.260 stairs he was talking about Chavez he was I mean he was he's absolutely crazy you know what he's
00:35:53.440 still a teacher and I was manipulated into believing that he was going to be leaving the
00:35:58.100 profession forced to leave the profession they put him on a luxury vacation essentially the next
00:36:04.600 time I see him he shows up in a Range Rover in the school parking lot I'm not driving a Range Rover
00:36:09.960 and he's terrorizing my child in British I always assumed it was a British Columbia thing
00:36:15.580 when I worked with Gordon Campbell and the BC Liberals there, I took a lot of heat. There was
00:36:22.280 one union that posted on social media my face on a dartboard. So I can really relate to that fear
00:36:29.740 and stepping away from national commentary or any sort of public role I needed to for my
00:36:36.200 mental health and for the safety of my family, especially when my daughter was particularly
00:36:41.400 young. I'm not so sure that until recently, men have had those experiences. And it seems to be
00:36:48.420 left having a serious problem with the right and not caring if they get physical, if they threaten
00:36:56.300 you, if your child is threatened, if your family is hurt. There were lots of times, and my father
00:37:02.000 wasn't a man that I saw cry very often, but he was so excited to see me on TV and to be from British
00:37:08.880 Colombian rallying for the West but he couldn't watch it anymore because he would see the threats
00:37:15.300 of violence and to see him tear up was absolutely devastating and he was an immigrant to this
00:37:22.240 country and he always told me to be Canadian is a privilege not a right use your voice he
00:37:27.460 he professed to the same ideologies as Charlie Kirk which was you know faith family community
00:37:34.080 give something back and don't judge unless your backyard is absolutely perfect so I came from that
00:37:40.180 and so to pull away from that I have to say it's been a hard thing in my life but I'm not the only
00:37:45.400 one and I think about your you gentlemen and my role what are we going to be doing next and if
00:37:52.160 anything I was absolutely devastated by Charlie's death but it has absolutely fired me up to
00:37:57.940 understand that I have a voice and I have a role in this and all of us on the screen here do today
00:38:03.820 The Western standard is going to play an important role in reshaping these conversations, too.
00:38:09.180 We never surrender.
00:38:10.920 We never back down.
00:38:13.140 You know, Elyse, the right is quite happy to let the left be the left.
00:38:17.380 Why isn't the left happy to let the right be the right?
00:38:21.760 Well, that's just that mark of extremism on either side, I think.
00:38:25.220 Exactly.
00:38:26.400 We're tolerant.
00:38:27.500 You know, you want to go and think about stuff?
00:38:29.520 Go ahead.
00:38:30.540 There's fringes on each side.
00:38:32.240 But the leftists seem more inclined to be outside the door with the air horns trying to shut down discourse rather than just accept it.
00:38:41.080 Well, I'll tell you the greatest example of that is try and be a conservative pundit on CBC or CTV on those political talk shows.
00:38:49.720 It is us conservatives that are constantly tempered.
00:38:52.980 We hold back and we take quite a beating many times on our positions, especially maybe not
00:38:59.640 so much now, but up until at least a year ago, you're much more quiet.
00:39:04.160 You have to be more engaged.
00:39:05.640 You have to be more polite.
00:39:07.080 You have to go that extra mile because let's face it, nobody wants to hear your ideas on
00:39:12.960 those shows.
00:39:14.660 Yeah.
00:39:14.980 Yeah.
00:39:15.240 Well, so getting to media responsibility, I'll kind of say way that in as Dave was talking
00:39:19.440 on my show, I kind of stole his parting shot, but I think it ties into this discussion.
00:39:22.980 And you've been in media longer than any of us.
00:39:26.340 CTV just put out, I mean, talk about pouring gasoline onto an already divisive fire.
00:39:31.280 Could you explain the headline those clowns put out last night?
00:39:35.400 Yeah, it was CTV National.
00:39:37.780 And I think the headline exactly said, a black man found hanged in tree in Mississippi.
00:39:44.800 Yeah.
00:39:45.600 Right.
00:39:45.820 And myself and everybody else who knows anything about the history of the southern United States
00:39:52.200 immediately goes back to Mississippi burning and lynchings and stuff like that. It was a deliberate
00:39:58.600 clickbait headline that was just so very misleading. It's one of the more disgusting ones
00:40:04.800 I've seen because it turned out the poor guy had hung himself. It was suicide. Police said there
00:40:12.800 were no foul play whatsoever, but the headline writer wrote, black man found hanged in tree.
00:40:20.840 If it was a white man, do you think it would say white man found hanging tree?
00:40:24.540 I don't think so.
00:40:25.380 And typically we don't report suicides.
00:40:27.240 Why don't they even feel compelled to cover this?
00:40:29.440 I mean, I could see clickbait of the old days, the National Enquirer with Bat Boy found out in the woods.
00:40:35.200 Okay, you're trying to shallowly draw traffic to your publication.
00:40:40.060 But this is something where you're drenching a country that's had race riots, not in the distant past.
00:40:47.080 I mean, we're talking St. Louis, Minneapolis.
00:40:50.440 And to imply, we know, unfortunately, that people often just read the headline and they don't go much further.
00:40:56.300 You know, darn well, whoever a CTV person would.
00:40:58.560 But who's ever held accountable on that?
00:41:00.300 You know, everybody got mad at CTV and they just do it again.
00:41:03.060 This is a big problem.
00:41:04.360 Well, this is where you need to call up.
00:41:06.360 Anybody who's offended needs to call up CTV and jam their switchboards.
00:41:11.560 Just like the Radio Canada journalist who said Hollywood is run by Jews
00:41:18.400 and Canadian cities are run by Jews.
00:41:21.700 I mean, she got run off the air almost instantaneously.
00:41:25.500 Suspended, mind you, not fired.
00:41:28.060 Stephen Yebo was putting out statements.
00:41:31.220 Jewish organizations were putting out statements.
00:41:33.720 So that's because of the outrage.
00:41:36.900 If nobody was outraged, they wouldn't have said a thing.
00:41:40.980 So it is.
00:41:42.440 Canadians don't complain.
00:41:44.340 You know, you get your meal and it's not very good.
00:41:46.320 The waiter comes over and says, how is everything?
00:41:48.400 Oh, it's fine.
00:41:49.820 Complain.
00:41:50.340 Start complaining.
00:41:51.320 Start phoning these people.
00:41:52.940 True enough.
00:41:53.520 And it's not like these statements and these actions of Charlie Kirk have come without consequences for a lot of them.
00:41:59.080 There have been some professors, it looks like, might be at least buried from any profile positions any longer.
00:42:06.040 It seems almost impossible to get them fired, unless you're Francis Widdowson.
00:42:10.000 But otherwise, tenure protects them.
00:42:12.660 But they haven't gotten away with nothing for the most part.
00:42:16.280 So I guess there's a little bit to be taken.
00:42:17.760 You know, there's a very interesting comment in one of our rival newspapers this morning, I'll name it, it was the National Post, and the argument was that once upon a time, Canada was sort of more or less the same thing, and the CBC had a unified audience to which they tried to speak.
00:42:38.620 Now, there are so many divisions within Canadian society
00:42:42.000 that CBC doesn't and can't and won't try to engage them all,
00:42:46.860 so it just goes with the audience that it understands,
00:42:51.380 which is sort of slightly left of center,
00:42:55.420 a little bit middle of the road, and they speak to them.
00:43:01.060 And if you're outside that particular cohort,
00:43:05.260 then the CBC's got nothing to say for you.
00:43:07.360 I may have bastardized the poor guy's argument, but that was the essence.
00:43:12.320 All right.
00:43:13.620 Well, as we get towards wrapping things up here, I only kind of got through a couple subjects, but I'll get a parting shot from Elise.
00:43:19.660 What have you got for us, Denise?
00:43:22.920 Well, I just want to say very quickly, as we earlier in the show talked about the deficit and what's going to be happening to Canada and whether we're going to actually be in a technical recession.
00:43:34.960 And I just want to say that this was completely avoidable and that this is one of the greatest examples of negligence by a Canadian government that I can remember.
00:43:44.480 I grew up with my father talking about the trials and tribulations of being under the thumb in Western Canada of Pierre Trudeau.
00:43:53.880 But I think this supersedes any of the disgust that that generation would carry from those times.
00:44:00.340 This is going to be an absolutely horrific time for every single Canadian that doesn't matter if you're a senior or you're starting your life out.
00:44:11.200 Everybody is going to feel this pain and somewhat we only have ourselves to blame, but it was completely avoidable.
00:44:21.100 All right. Nigel, what would you like to leave us with this week?
00:44:23.900 Well, you know, again, harking back to the news this morning,
00:44:28.140 the news was that there's a $500,000 grant issued by the federal government
00:44:36.340 to some organization to do what?
00:44:38.380 To increase the diversity among truck drivers.
00:44:43.560 Now, I don't know whether you've paid much attention to truck stops recently,
00:44:52.440 But I think they met their diversity targets in spades.
00:44:56.740 Maybe they should give the money to the Cab Drivers Association as well.
00:45:00.240 Yeah, there's not enough diversity in that.
00:45:02.080 It's insane the areas they find a spot to spend money.
00:45:06.740 And so, Dave, I already kind of stole your parting shot, or we already had that pop out.
00:45:10.800 No, I got another one.
00:45:11.640 Okay.
00:45:12.380 What do we got?
00:45:14.000 Tongues are wagging in Ottawa.
00:45:15.640 Corey, more departures from the Kearney government.
00:45:18.160 cabinet ministers uh bill blair apparently set to resign he'll get a nice plum job in london at the
00:45:25.520 high commission and stephen gilbo is set to go but he's going to do a jagmeet singh and hang in
00:45:33.340 there until his pension uh becomes vested and i believe that's in either october or november
00:45:38.920 and then he'll go and we can all rejoice and say good riddance great well we look forward to seeing
00:45:44.860 the backside of Gabon so
00:45:46.820 whatever the clown comes in to replace him
00:45:48.840 alright well Elise
00:45:50.760 Dave Nigel thank you very
00:45:52.920 much and
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