Western Standard - Pipelines must be an election plank

00:00:00.000 Good day.

00:00:29.420 Welcome to the Cory Morgan Show. 45 minutes to try and make sense of the insanity of whatever's going on in North America, around the world, all over.

00:00:39.120 Just an abundance of issues to try and cover and talk about. I've picked out a few, and we will dissect them and sort them out.

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00:00:58.620 and just try to keep things civil, you know, we can fight better on X, that's a better platform for that.

00:01:03.660 So in a little bit, I'm going to have Emmanuel Foubert of the Montreal Economic Institute on,

00:01:08.180 we're going to talk about healthcare in Alberta, and pretty much in every province, it's the same sort of issues going on.

00:01:13.060 I mean, I know everything else is dominated with the federal issues, and we're going to talk about a lot of that,

00:01:16.960 but we can't forget that all the other stuff is still happening while all of our federal nightmare is going on,

00:01:23.840 and we still have to address those issues, can't let them fall by the wayside.

00:01:27.480 So let's start things out too, get things rolling on how we pay our bills.

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00:02:06.780 All right, an E-sharp checking in there saying 51st state.

00:02:09.720 Yeah, that discussion is carrying on.

00:02:11.700 It's another one that's going on.

00:02:13.140 Either way, getting on.

00:02:14.640 Canada.

00:02:15.180 I mean, we're in a crisis right now federally.

00:02:16.880 It's a crisis. 0.81

00:02:17.340 There's no getting around it, at least in the immediate term, with Trump's ridiculous tariffs. 0.99

00:02:21.780 And they are ridiculous. 0.96

00:02:22.480 But how that mess is going to be resolved remains to be seen. 1.00

00:02:25.840 And it certainly doesn't help that Canada's parliament is prorogued and the Prime Minister is a complete lame duck.

00:02:31.140 If nothing else, Canadians have suddenly discovered, though, how vulnerable they've let themselves become

00:02:35.800 due to strangling the ability to export oil and gas products for decades.

00:02:39.960 Canada has an abundance of resources, but the one that the USA values the most out of us are our petroleum products.

00:02:45.980 And if the nation were ever to dream of putting serious pressure on the United States in a trade war,

00:02:50.220 would have to be through reducing exports of oil and gas to the USA.

00:02:55.080 As it stands, though, the USA for our exports

00:02:57.460 purchases over 90% of our oil and gas.

00:03:00.180 They have a buyer's monopoly

00:03:01.380 and it allows Trump to shake Canada like a dog with a rag doll.

00:03:05.100 Pipelines and export infrastructure take time to construct.

00:03:08.560 In fact, in Canada, they take an impossibly long time.

00:03:11.700 That's why investors have fled, projects have been cancelled,

00:03:14.340 and the federal government found itself

00:03:15.360 purchasing the Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion.

00:03:18.000 Now, the entire nation is paying a terrible price for the short-sighted policies of an anti-energy government.

00:03:24.380 But we have an opportunity approaching.

00:03:25.860 Let's meet with some optimism for a change.

00:03:27.300 We can fast-track pipeline and export terminal construction in a way like we've never seen before.

00:03:32.340 And that opportunity is the upcoming federal election.

00:03:35.060 It's going to be called at some point.

00:03:36.460 And in a democratic nation, nothing provides a more solid mandate than receiving the stamp of approval from voters in a general election.

00:03:43.480 is the one time when every Canadian has the opportunity to express themselves on issues

00:03:47.680 and who they want to be governed by.

00:03:49.100 I know it doesn't work out in the long run necessarily, but that's our best chance.

00:03:52.860 Quebec's been the main hindrance in getting energy infrastructure constructed to the East Coast.

00:03:57.040 They use the nonsense term of social license

00:03:59.160 and claim Canada doesn't have this imaginary license to build a pipeline.

00:04:03.420 Well, what better way then, let's play the game,

00:04:05.080 is there to garner this supposed license

00:04:06.940 than to have it on the ballot essentially in a general election.

00:04:10.780 Pipeline capacity expansion has the highest public support levels right now

00:04:13.820 than it's probably ever had in Canada.

00:04:15.620 No major party is going to lose a significant degree of support

00:04:18.120 by campaigning on getting pipelines built across the nation right now.

00:04:22.900 I mean, leftists, they despise Trump and Putin even more than they dislike pipelines.

00:04:27.880 If Canada gets pipeline access to the East Coast,

00:04:30.160 Canada will no longer need to purchase $200 million a year in Russian oil.

00:04:34.440 And they could snipe some European oil and gas customers from Putin as well.

00:04:37.780 With increased access to the West Coast, Canada can send its oil and gas products to the energy-hungry South Asian markets

00:04:43.320 and reduce the discount we get on selling to the American buyers on the other side of the border.

00:04:48.760 What leftists could resist the temptation to offer an economic middle finger to both Trump and Putin at the same time?

00:04:54.700 Now, aside from the spite aspect, increasing Canada's ability to export energy products just makes good economic sense.

00:05:00.280 Every business does better when it has a broader customer market.

00:05:03.420 The only factor making pipeline construction economically unviable to both coasts is the government.

00:05:08.660 Regulations and delays kill investment in its tracks and it costs a fortune.

00:05:12.540 It's a very easy problem to solve, though.

00:05:14.800 The government has all the tools.

00:05:16.300 We don't need more consultations.

00:05:18.080 We don't need more studies.

00:05:19.460 It's all been done for both the Northern Gateway and the Energy Ease Proposal.

00:05:22.600 Nothing's changed.

00:05:23.260 The mountains are in the same place, the pipelines need the same routes,

00:05:26.120 and the same chronic opponents are going to piss and moan about it, so let them piss and moan.

00:05:29.940 No further studies, no licenses, no consultations are going to change that.

00:05:32.860 The government must declare these lines in the national interest, approve them, clear the way, and get them done.

00:05:38.400 We don't need the government building them. We've seen how well that works in the Trans Mountain expansion.

00:05:41.900 Private industry, though, they would be willing, but they need rock-solid guarantees.

00:05:45.040 A right-of-way must be charted across the country, and the naysayers need to be basically told to get stuffed. 1.00

00:05:49.740 The first Trans Mountain pipeline went across some of the roughest terrain in North America,

00:05:53.000 and it was done in 18 months with 1950s technology. 0.94

00:05:56.220 We can build them quickly if we just get the government's at all level out of the damn way. 0.94

00:06:01.140 Trump's going to be in office for the better part of four years still.

00:06:05.060 If he sees Earth moving on new Canadian pipelines to the east and west by the end of this first year,

00:06:09.580 he's going to take notice.

00:06:11.000 Every major party must, they must, put the immediate construction of pipelines within their platforms.

00:06:16.480 The biggest consultation of them all is an election.

00:06:18.560 With that under their belt, whoever wins will have all the social license they need to get it done.

00:06:23.380 And there will be no better time to do that than this year.

00:06:25.980 To Dali, well, that's just going to let the activists and bureaucrats slither into the project 1.00

00:06:29.760 and it'll never get done. If that gets done, if that happens, can I might as well get used to

00:06:33.440 being the kid getting the sand kicked in its face at the beach? Because if this nation can't even

00:06:37.140 build a bloody pipeline to the coast, it deserves to be pushed around. Well, that's what I got to

00:06:42.340 say to start things off today. That's all I'm going to say about that. Hey, Dave, how's it going?

00:06:45.880 We've got our news editor here with the other stories. You know, Corey, you think about what's

00:06:49.240 happened in the last seven days since we last talked. It's incredible. I mean, every day is

00:06:54.240 just like historic it seems you know from the zielinski white house to uh tariffs it's just

00:07:00.040 it's crazy i mean it was the term i always mispronounced that though i write it quite

00:07:04.200 often mercurial you know i mean you just don't know where trump is going i mean he's he's a

00:07:09.620 a kid with add on uh you know speed and he just bounces all over the map i mean nobody can track

00:07:15.880 what he's gonna do and you've been poking the waspness of trumpsters haven't you a little bit

00:07:19.500 Yes, the Team Orange Man have been upset with me lately, but I'm sorry.

00:07:24.460 I'm tired of it.

00:07:25.940 He's not doing anybody any favors on either side of the border right now.

00:07:31.120 Talking about making a whole new world order, it's crazy.

00:07:35.320 Our Sean Polzer right now is putting together a story on Trump's tweets this morning mocking Governor Trudeau.

00:07:42.280 Hopefully that's up now because he was supposed to do it while he was in here.

00:07:46.640 Other stuff making the news this morning.

00:07:48.280 We've got a guy who was convicted of second-degree murder in 2020, arrested in Brooks with a pound of meth, and a gun.

00:07:59.020 I forgot that loaded Glock.

00:08:01.620 It was Abdullah, if I recall.

00:08:03.180 Yeah, second-degree murder, four years.

00:08:05.280 I mean, it doesn't add up, you know, how these guys are getting out.

00:08:09.580 Lots of other Canadian election, liberal election follow.

00:08:13.400 We've got, ironically, Chrystia Freeland says she's going to make Mark Carney her finance minister. 0.99

00:08:19.900 You remember when she finally quit the role? 0.98

00:08:23.420 There was all that talk about Carney replacing her, so now the shoe is on the other foot.

00:08:30.140 Our James Bukaboom up in, sorry, James Bukaboom, James Snell up in Edmonton has interviewed Jim Bukaboom from Commodities.

00:08:41.900 What's the name of the Commodities?

00:08:42.720 Boostercombe, yes, market commodities.

00:08:46.000 Market press commodities.

00:08:46.340 Yeah, they're down on the left bridge.

00:08:47.400 Oh, great, guys.

00:08:48.060 About how the tariffs are going to affect grains and that kind of stuff.

00:08:54.000 And as you know, Mark Carney was in town last night holding a big election event,

00:08:59.020 and we tried to go along to the press conference,

00:09:03.600 and our Sean Polzer was denied entry by the Carney people.

00:09:08.880 And there's some good video taken by his colleague, Jen Hudson.

00:09:12.080 And that's up there on the site, and I encourage you to read Sean's column about how Kearney is hiding behind the skirts of 20-year-old students.

00:09:20.060 Absolutely. Yeah, that video was just sad.

00:09:23.700 I really did feel for the volunteer, you know.

00:09:25.960 I mean, that's just the cowardly thing.

00:09:27.260 Just stick the young person at the door to try and, you know, explain why people who have been invited to the conference are no longer allowed.

00:09:33.580 Yeah, and we had an invite, and she said, okay, just give me a second.

00:09:36.540 You know, she seemed willing to let us in with all the other mainstream media.

00:09:39.540 and then she obviously got told behind the curtain

00:09:42.200 and she came back out and was like shaking a little bit

00:09:45.020 and said, sorry, you can't come in.

00:09:46.840 Yeah, well, you're a volunteer.

00:09:47.820 You don't want to get stuck in the middle.

00:09:48.860 You get at least a staffer who's making some bucks to take on that.

00:09:52.300 Yeah, send out George Sahol who's probably behind the decision.

00:09:54.600 Well, and you've got to check your wallet and everything after he comes.

00:09:56.760 Yeah, he's probably, you know, porch pirate himself.

00:09:58.560 Yeah.

00:09:59.320 All right.

00:10:01.100 That's it?

00:10:01.820 That's it, that's all.

00:10:02.700 But that's just this morning.

00:10:04.060 I'm sure all hell will break loose this afternoon as he usually does.

00:10:07.700 Oh, I don't doubt it.

00:10:08.580 All right, well, thank you for the update.

00:10:10.040 I'll let you get back to cracking the whip on those reporters 1.00

00:10:12.360 to keep those stories rolling, and we'll talk to you after the show.

00:10:15.620 Thanks, we're right on.

00:10:17.160 That is our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:10:19.820 As you can hear, yes, lots breaking.

00:10:21.800 It's just constant, and it's changing by the minute, by the hour.

00:10:26.920 So, again, the reason we have those reporters going out to these events,

00:10:32.180 even if they aren't allowed into them,

00:10:33.820 and writing on the things that we are allowed to get into and so on

00:10:37.220 is because you guys have been subscribing so uh this you know what i like to thank you who have

00:10:41.500 subscribed already and if you haven't subscribed yet guys it's ten dollars a month uh hundred

00:10:46.400 dollars for a year westernstandard.news slash subscription take one i was just like an old

00:10:50.660 newspaper subscription and it keeps our reporters rolling it uh keeps our columnists writing and it

00:10:56.240 keeps this show going so if you've subscribed as i said thank you very much and if you haven't yet

00:11:00.780 come on get on there so yeah on the federal front you know it's uh funny and you can get those

00:11:06.740 stories it said at the westernstandard.news and you can see the videos and it's just it's been

00:11:12.840 interesting Carney has been kept away from the press they are really shielding him from any

00:11:19.500 critical press all of the politicians lately it seems the trend is to go down to American

00:11:25.520 outlets I mean Premier Smith was on MSNBC the other night Carney has been doing American shows

00:11:31.680 a tweak there. She's been doing American stuff down south of the border as well.

00:11:38.260 But they aren't talking to Canadian media and they certainly aren't willing to have any critical

00:11:42.780 things like a press conference. And that's what this Kearney event was in North Calgary.

00:11:47.320 So they sent out invitations and that's what happened. So media outlets got these invitations,

00:11:52.100 these letters saying, you know, come cover this thing, ask some questions. So Jen and Sean showed

00:11:58.600 up and they had their their letter their invitation but they gave it in and then yes this poor young

00:12:03.060 volunteer goes back it's okay just a moment I'll be right back and she comes back and I'm sorry

00:12:06.900 you're not allowed in here so what do you mean we got this letter you invited well and I'm sorry

00:12:11.180 you're just not allowed in so the Western Standard is basically is banned from from covering Carney's

00:12:17.340 conferences but talk about weak how weak is he you know if your candidate is your strength

00:12:27.380 your intent is to get the candidate in front of as many people as possible and yes some outlets are

00:12:33.900 going to be more critical than others but if your candidate can present themselves well if they can

00:12:38.560 give the answers if they can do their job you shouldn't be frightened of getting them in front

00:12:43.440 of people in fact you should be eager to get them in front of people i know once elections get going

00:12:47.880 usually you know the hard part with with shows like this is you get you know every campaign is

00:12:52.920 this throwing out hey you know get our candidate on for this because that this that you know you

00:12:55.920 can only book so many people for so many things. Yet Carney is hiding. And I mean, he made that

00:13:01.440 terrible, goofy mistake with some sort of electrical item that was manufactured. I don't

00:13:10.980 know. But he basically was BSing. And he said Canada was one of these top manufacturers for

00:13:15.160 this. It turns out Canada doesn't manufacture them at all. And it turned into quite an embarrassment.

00:13:19.240 And Carney's been getting mocked on social media for a number of other things.

00:13:22.820 So their answer, though, is to hide him from it.

00:13:25.180 Do we have somebody, again, like Trudeau?

00:13:27.680 I mean, Trudeau, you can see his biggest problem is always when he goes off script,

00:13:31.520 when he tries to think, you know.

00:13:33.780 Trudeau can read a teleprompter.

00:13:35.880 Trudeau can listen to the earpiece and say what he's told.

00:13:39.060 That's why he always does that little glass of water.

00:13:42.920 Semiconductors, thank you, Jacqueline.

00:13:45.020 That's the item that Carney was talking about.

00:13:47.900 But, yeah, Justin, you know, he gets the question asked,

00:13:50.200 and, of course, now it's off script.

00:13:51.640 So he stops, he takes a slow, slow drink of water, while the voice in his ear tells him what he's supposed to say.

00:13:59.160 Carney, as we thought, at least he's a liberal, he's scary, that was the scary part.

00:14:03.180 He's supposed to be smarter than Justin, and that's a pretty low bar to begin with,

00:14:06.620 so you would have thought that he'd be able to answer these questions, get on the spot, do these things.

00:14:13.260 And he doesn't appear to be, which is really interesting.

00:14:18.000 Carney is a political creature, but not an electoral one, right?

00:14:21.640 I mean, he's always been there, governor of the Bank of Canada, very tightly tied to politicians, of course, at high levels, Bank of England later on.

00:14:31.240 But it's a different animal to campaign, to get in front of people, to get in front of voters, to get in front of media.

00:14:37.700 And it doesn't look like he's adjusting very well to it.

00:14:41.400 And the polls have been interesting in the elections.

00:14:43.180 So we've been seeing a bounce, a surge, and it looked like the liberals have been gaining ground.

00:14:50.760 But now in the latest poll, it looks like they've dropped yet again.

00:14:55.460 It's volatile.

00:14:56.740 That's the only way to put it right now.

00:14:58.040 People don't know where they want to go.

00:15:00.000 And we are in such terrible flux.

00:15:01.940 I mean, we've got, again, a prime minister.

00:15:03.300 We don't know where he's going to be in a short time.

00:15:05.960 We don't know who the next one's going to be.

00:15:06.920 We don't know when the next election's going to be.

00:15:08.920 And it's just a brutal period of transition we're stuck in.

00:15:12.800 So we'll see how that irons out.

00:15:14.400 But now we're going to bring things back a little closer

00:15:16.720 and bring in Emmanuel Faubert of the Montreal Economic Institute.

00:15:21.120 Because like I said, health care is a big issue.

00:15:22.820 It's an important one.

00:15:23.600 And they put out an interesting piece recently on congestion, basically,

00:15:28.580 of beds in acute care centres, basically hospitals.

00:15:32.340 And a lot of hospital beds are taken up by people

00:15:34.460 that really probably shouldn't be in the hospital.

00:15:37.140 So thank you very much, Emmanuel, for joining us today.

00:15:41.480 My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

00:15:44.020 So your piece put out, it said it'd be up to 10%.

00:15:47.820 That's just in Alberta, but I imagine this is probably a cross-country problem.

00:15:50.960 We have a lot of people taking up hospital space that would probably belong in a long-term centre?

00:15:57.380 Exactly.

00:15:58.180 Exactly.

00:15:58.700 So we have a lot of what we call alternate level of care patients.

00:16:02.000 So this means that these are patients that still require healthcare services, but not acute care or hospital services.

00:16:09.740 But due to not having any other options, they end up stuck in those hospital beds and taking and using hospital resources for uses that are not supposed to be.

00:16:23.420 Yeah, they're not supposed to be seniors care center or people with long term disabilities.

00:16:27.320 I've seen that happen in hospitals as well, that perhaps facilities that would be better suited are getting full.

00:16:33.160 So somebody with a long term disability of some sort is almost warehoused in a hospital.

00:16:37.200 But if you get an emergency, or as we saw with COVID, those beds run out very fast.

00:16:42.160 Exactly. That's how we end up with hallway of medicine, where we have people in closets or straight up in the hallway.

00:16:50.080 So I would imagine, though, the solution is to build or construct or bring in more long-term facilities and centers for patients to go to,

00:16:57.900 so we aren't using the hospitals that way. But what are the hindrances? Why are governments not doing that then?

00:17:02.220 So there's always constantly efforts to building and transforming and creating new spaces.

00:17:08.580 That's always being done.

00:17:11.060 But what we're seeing is that the demand for these beds grows faster than the creation.

00:17:17.520 So what we're seeing is that despite all the new beds, there's always more demand, which means that people wait a long time before getting access to those.

00:17:26.920 another solution would be to look into home care services and if you look in Europe like in Germany

00:17:34.460 or the Netherlands they have a model where they promote home care services whether that is home

00:17:41.540 health services or home support so whether that is the help of a nurse practitioner or the help

00:17:48.040 of someone to just help them cook clean or take a bath this these services are less costly than

00:17:55.140 hospital services or institutional services and would help people stay longer at home and also

00:18:02.120 free up hospital spaces. So I guess perhaps is some of the issue with this I mean a lot of those

00:18:08.940 services I've heard some of them advertised too there's private services that do it but have we

00:18:12.960 got an ideological hang up I mean that's a lot of a battle that's going on in Alberta is outsourcing

00:18:17.240 for example specialized procedures to private medical centers is there perhaps some resistance

00:18:22.640 to outsourcing to private providers for home care or even long-term care facilities?

00:18:27.780 Definitely. If we look into long-term care facilities, a lot of it is controlled by the

00:18:33.740 public system. For example, patients are directed by the public system to the different homes if

00:18:42.280 they're not managed by the public system. So if there was more flexibility in that regard,

00:18:48.160 that would also help because having all the eggs in the same basket does not really work as we're

00:18:52.880 seeing right now. So have you been in communication like the Alberta government's the one you

00:18:57.840 highlighted but have you talked to governments are you seeing initiatives coming down the line

00:19:01.260 to perhaps address this problem right now? The initiatives we see all around is creating more

00:19:06.220 beds that's definitely an initiative that we're seeing across the board beyond that there's a lot

00:19:12.340 of restructuring that is being done in many places so that that will probably come down the line

00:19:17.240 eventually. So the new beds, I mean, that's a term we hear a lot. You know, we hear that in

00:19:24.480 healthcare a lot. It's always about the beds. Usually they're talking about hospitals, though.

00:19:28.160 They're talking about a centralized care model. Would as well, decentralized models, as you said,

00:19:35.980 in European countries, you know, how is that working out, though? Is that

00:19:40.240 government funded for new centers or are they paying for the private ones again to provide

00:19:46.980 these? Well, there's a variety of models, but if we look into the model I was talking about,

00:19:53.980 which is called cash for care, that model is done through an insurance scheme. And the way it works

00:20:01.180 is that then the patients are given an envelope. They're given the choice of either go for the

00:20:07.020 institutional route and go with the healthcare provided by the state, or they can get an envelope

00:20:13.400 of money that will then be used to get home care services or home care supplies. So that's one of

00:20:21.580 the model that is being used and that it seems to be working well for the population. So it's

00:20:26.800 interesting. It sounds almost like in a health care method of a voucher system is used for

00:20:31.440 education. Let the individual choose the facility that best suits them or the type of care that

00:20:36.380 best suits them rather than just having one standardized manner of it. Exactly. It gives

00:20:41.040 patient the autonomy and the freedom to choose what care services best suit their needs.

00:20:49.660 Do you think maybe some of the hang-up might be a little bit on it when, you know,

00:20:52.740 unfortunately it comes to liability, the lawyers get into things. If somebody was kept in home care

00:20:57.220 and an incident happened, you know, it ended poorly and then somebody would say, well,

00:21:01.920 that's the government's fault because they weren't in a proper facility having full-time care.

00:21:06.100 So, for example, in the model I'm talking about, the way it works is that there's also

00:21:11.000 community-based vigilance in the sense that they're making sure that the care that the

00:21:18.060 patients are paying for is being provided and that it is the correct care for them. So there is

00:21:22.960 maybe akin to a social worker making sure that the care is being provided.

00:21:29.040 Okay, and so that one in 10, as you said, how did you determine that though? How do you get

00:21:35.060 those statistics when you go to acute care facilities and hospitals to find out who has

00:21:39.360 been taking up which spaces so essentially it's it can be a very complicated measure but then

00:21:45.200 then they look into a patient when they don't need that space anymore they technically could

00:21:51.420 be discharged but due to a lack of space elsewhere they cannot be properly discharged so then they

00:21:58.500 are counted we count each day that a patient spends in that in that position as alternate

00:22:03.940 level of care days and if you count for all those days in proportion to the entire state

00:22:10.580 and the number of beds that's how you end up with these numbers.

00:22:13.940 So have you been, are different provinces doing some different initiatives across the country as

00:22:19.460 well? We're all under the Canada Health Act but of course it's administered by the provinces.

00:22:24.580 Have there been better models in other parts of the country?

00:22:27.860 I would not be able to tell you more about that but I know that a lot of effort is being put

00:22:33.300 to improve long-term care for patients and a lot of it is being done through creating new

00:22:42.500 long-term care spaces but there seems to be a bit of a push to try to have more home care services

00:22:47.780 because let's let's be clear most alternate level of care patients are elderly and most elderly

00:22:55.140 would rather age at home than in an institution absolutely i mean we also hear of you know people

00:23:01.460 basically kind of getting divorced by senior center you know when one has to go into a care

00:23:05.940 center but the other go there isn't space for both of them and they end up in separate spaces

00:23:09.300 if they could be kept at home again you could keep potentially couples together much longer

00:23:14.340 into their retirement i would imagine definitely because also let's let's be clear these long-term

00:23:21.140 long-term care spaces are designed to take care of patients that have a variety of medical needs

00:23:27.700 and the thing is that if a patient let's say only needs someone to help them take their medication

00:23:33.380 on the daily or do the dishes or clean they don't need necessarily the level of care that is provided

00:23:41.300 in in a long-term care home that is why ensuring that these people that have let's say less

00:23:46.580 complicated need can stay home frees up long-term care spaces for people that have more complex

00:23:52.740 needs as well. Yeah so I guess is some of the hindrance perhaps a bit of the labor pool too

00:23:58.720 though I mean it would it's labor intensive to care for people no matter how you look at it but

00:24:02.740 if you centralize it theoretically you could do it with perhaps a smaller pool of people

00:24:06.000 versus ones who are going around to a broader area for home care. I'm just playing devil's

00:24:10.520 advocate. Would we be able to train and draw the people to be able to maintain that sort of care

00:24:16.280 for people? Well, let's be clear. Hospital care is a lot more labor intensive than just taking

00:24:24.440 care of long-term care patients or even home support. So resources are being used in hospitals

00:24:32.020 are a lot more intensive and are a lot more costly, take a lot more resources than long-term

00:24:40.120 care and home care services also home care services they're not just health related they can

00:24:46.440 also be as previously mentioned support type care so these are also less intensive in terms of

00:24:54.360 resources but also in terms of knowledge and ability well and i would imagine it's good for

00:25:00.360 people's mental health as well i mean most people don't want to be in a institutional environment

00:25:05.160 we know that if your mental health declines your physiological health can often follow quickly if

00:25:09.240 If you're in your household, you're going to have more access to your friends, your neighbors and people coming by versus being in a hospital bed.

00:25:16.120 So, I mean, you know, switching to more of that model could pay off in a number of levels, I imagine.

00:25:20.320 Definitely, there's been studies that have shown that the elderly that were in more home environments, either more home style institutional care or home at home directly had better mental health outcomes compared to more medical institutions.

00:25:39.240 Great. Well, so you're going to, was this presented or sent at least to the health minister and such, or you're trying to work with them to hope for a better policy formulation?

00:25:48.280 It is publicly available. And if they want to discuss ways that we can improve wait times for long-term care services in Alberta and thus help overcrowding in hospital, then we'll be happy to discuss.

00:26:01.340 Excellent. Well, before I let you go, then where can people find your paper to see this in more detail?

00:26:06.740 So you can reach it at www.iedm.org.

00:26:12.360 Okay, and that's the Montreal Economic Institute.

00:26:16.340 I just like to, I've had guests from your group, your great, you know, on a number of times.

00:26:20.320 It's not just a Montreal or Quebec focus by any means.

00:26:23.140 You cover issues across the country, right?

00:26:25.340 Definitely.

00:26:25.980 So it started in Montreal 26 years ago now, and we're also in Calgary and Ottawa now.

00:26:34.220 Excellent.

00:26:34.620 Well, I thank you very much for that work.

00:26:36.440 and just pointing out we need more health care solutions.

00:26:38.480 Lots of people are pointing out the problems

00:26:39.860 and just pointing out, okay, we have a problem

00:26:42.000 with 10% of the people being within there.

00:26:44.260 How can we deal with reducing that

00:26:46.200 while still caring for people?

00:26:47.500 So I appreciate that work

00:26:49.220 and you're coming on to talk to us today about it.

00:26:51.840 Thank you, it was my pleasure.

00:26:53.380 All right, I hope we get to talk again soon.

00:26:56.760 So again, it's the Montreal Economic Institute

00:26:59.120 and yes, they're a great site

00:27:00.540 and you can see they do some good common sense work.

00:27:03.440 They do some studies, there's resources on there.

00:27:05.520 check them out google them and you know i i think that's it's one of the only things that kind of

00:27:09.660 holds them back a little people assume it's just something based out of montreal that's from when

00:27:12.400 you attach a region to the name of your group but uh no they talk about things across the country

00:27:17.360 and often a lot of western things they talk about on energy issues uh often as well and and cover

00:27:22.860 things really really well i mean it's good common sense talk right all of us if we think about the

00:27:27.560 same thing if we get to our later years you want to be in your home as long as possible and i mean

00:27:34.780 our health care resources are strained. They're overwhelmed. I've talked about that a number of

00:27:41.980 times. The Canada Health Act itself strangles us. I mean, there's only so many things a province can

00:27:48.380 do. And I get in those debates because every opposition party in every province screams at

00:27:54.160 the government for not providing health care right. The problem is you can't provide it right.

00:27:58.460 Our system is broken and they aren't allowed to diversify the amount of services. So the province,

00:28:04.520 you know, the NDP are in BC and guess what? Their healthcare is overwhelmed. And UCP is in Alberta

00:28:10.260 and guess what? Healthcare is overwhelmed. One of the issues and the excuses, the excuses they made

00:28:16.680 for the overreaction and the lockdowns and things during the COVID pandemic was that we can't have

00:28:24.380 our hospitals becoming overwhelmed. You know, even when it was getting pretty clear that COVID

00:28:31.860 is virtually harmless to people under 18 who are healthy, and that the survival rate for COVID

00:28:36.660 is extremely high unless you have a bunch of comorbidities, it still made enough vulnerable

00:28:43.440 people quite sick that they would overwhelm the hospital quite quickly because our hospitals are

00:28:49.060 always operating already right on the brink of being full. So then they'd say, well, then we have

00:28:55.560 to, you know, lock everybody down and stop the spread of this 14 days to flatten the curve and

00:28:59.940 all that baloney and everything, and the price that we're still paying for all of that mess today.

00:29:04.600 But still, one of the things we should be looking at in hindsight then is why are our hospitals

00:29:08.440 always on the brink of collapse? Always. And part of it, well, 10% of those beds are taken up by

00:29:14.700 people who should be in long-term facilities, not in an acute care hospital. This ties in,

00:29:21.420 unfortunately, to some of the things that Premier Smith has been trying in Alberta

00:29:25.720 to get surgical centers outside of the general hospital

00:29:29.300 because we don't need to have everything in that centralized location.

00:29:33.080 I mean, again, if another pandemic comes, a real one, a bad one,

00:29:36.620 and we do have our hospitals being overwhelmed,

00:29:38.760 part of the problem that happened with COVID

00:29:40.220 was a bunch of procedures got put off

00:29:42.960 because they were all supposed to be done in a general hospital

00:29:46.020 and they couldn't do them.

00:29:47.360 If they were in outside freestanding facilities,

00:29:50.920 we could still get people's hip and knee replacements done,

00:29:54.620 get those items off the healthcare list while still maintaining a general hospital to deal

00:30:00.080 with people with more acute things. But instead we stuff everything into one centralized monster

00:30:06.300 and it's a giant bureaucracy. But we don't know what the heck's going on now in Alberta because

00:30:12.840 there's a big scandal that's broken out because leave it to government to make a mess. It sounds

00:30:17.900 like and we're still waiting for the details. Now there's going to be an independent inquiry in

00:30:21.140 Alberta over what might be, I mean, we don't know yet. There's a whole bunch of allegations

00:30:26.420 pushing all over the place, but basically there might have been some backdoor type of deals or

00:30:32.760 at least some sole sourcing going to people who are going to get those private facilities pulling

00:30:36.100 it out of there. I mean, people are receptive of getting into, you know, broadening care and new

00:30:44.840 options, but they do want to make sure that they're getting the best bang for the buck. They

00:30:50.760 want to make sure that somebody's not lining their pockets with healthcare dollars. That's

00:30:53.620 what mortifies people. They want those health dollars to be focused on healthcare, you know,

00:31:01.360 getting to the patient. Either way, it just makes a lot of sense, right? I mean, a person can make

00:31:06.080 the rounds. I listen to, you know, on talk radio and so on, you quite often hear ads for one of

00:31:11.120 those home care things, and they talk about the family keeping mom at home longer and everything

00:31:14.960 else, but that private service, I mean, they talk about it starting at, I believe, a couple or a

00:31:19.820 few thousand dollars a month. That's a lot of money. Now, keeping somebody in a hospital costs

00:31:23.360 a heck of a lot more per month than that even. But if it's broader home care, just maintaining

00:31:28.300 somebody, visiting a couple times a week or once a day or something like that, much better than a

00:31:33.180 hospital. Unfortunately, our system is just so bloated, so bureaucratic. And I tell you what,

00:31:38.520 the hang up, the problem most often is the bloody unions. You got to remember, if we start doing

00:31:44.860 home care you know you don't need an expensive overtime gouging union labor force to do that 0.92

00:31:52.820 you can have individuals i mean you know these aren't full-out nurses and health care people

00:31:58.740 they're people just to help with pills help with bathing help with some shopping little things to

00:32:02.820 help people and keep them out of the hospital but it doesn't lead to that nice big sweet union jobs 0.97

00:32:08.420 So that could be problematic.

00:32:13.440 It's just a big, ugly battle.

00:32:15.440 Common sense solutions, ones like Emmanuel was pointing out, are there.

00:32:19.320 But it's just so hard to get them done.

00:32:21.080 And then unfortunately, like I said, sometimes the corruption gets in and everybody loses.

00:32:25.360 So I saw Wildrose, a commenter earlier, asking about the US 51 concept.

00:32:31.140 My thoughts on it.

00:32:31.980 You know, so that's something that President Trump's really been rattling the Canadian chain a lot over the, of course, for months now, calling Trudeau Governor Trudeau and so on.

00:32:45.420 It stopped being funny a long time ago.

00:32:47.760 You know, people say, oh, it's just trolling.

00:32:49.240 It's just trolling.

00:32:49.720 Look, this is the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet who's talking about expansionism.

00:32:58.240 And even if you're a supporter of the concept of Alberta or Canada becoming the 51st state, this isn't the way it's going to happen.

00:33:11.080 In fact, I think we've seen more binding and bonding among Canadians.

00:33:18.040 When you've got what you see as an external threat, economically at the least with these tariffs and such, you're seeing more Canadian flags being waived than we've seen since the convoy.

00:33:28.240 And not because they're upset with that.

00:33:30.220 They're saying, I am Canadian and I'm proud of it.

00:33:32.100 So if you're independence-minded, if you're U.S. 51-minded,

00:33:36.040 it's not moving you closer to that goal at this point.

00:33:41.320 A lot of people, I think, and I'm very much of that.

00:33:43.940 I've put it on X.

00:33:44.800 Look, we've got Mr. Rath.

00:33:49.620 He's going down to Washington to pitch the Alberta 51 idea and things like that.

00:33:54.180 Okay, go for it.

00:33:55.380 but it should be pitched to Albertans first

00:33:59.440 I traveled a lot

00:34:01.640 I did a lot of speaking events

00:34:03.080 at very independence

00:34:05.320 friendly

00:34:07.500 venues and one of the things

00:34:09.200 it was with Dr. Modry a lot

00:34:11.140 we were speaking together

00:34:12.860 and he would always pull the room with a straw pole

00:34:15.140 and ask

00:34:17.420 about what people's visions were for things

00:34:18.920 again it's a stacked room so he'd say

00:34:21.100 what would you like to see? Would you like to see Alberta

00:34:23.200 stronger within

00:34:24.400 in, you know, a stronger province, but still within Canada. And a good handful of hands would

00:34:29.800 go up. Would you like to see Alberta completely independent on its own? And most of the room's

00:34:33.700 hands would go up. And then it's, you know, if you like Alberta, BC, Saskatchewan, you get a

00:34:37.560 whole bunch. And he'd ask about the US 51. And usually that's only a couple, only a handful of

00:34:42.660 people. They're there, they're vocal, they want it. But even among the independent set, it's a

00:34:47.800 smaller number. Now, the only way, I think in a principled way, and I know people will send me

00:34:54.980 links, oh, Canada's actually a corporation, or Alberta was never officially part of Confederation,

00:34:59.960 all those weird shortcuts, whatever. I'm not even discussing it. I'm talking about the here and now.

00:35:04.760 And if you're going to be principled about it, if you really thought a province or a region is going

00:35:08.880 to step out, the only way it should happen acceptably is with a majority vote in a referendum,

00:35:16.540 and a clear majority, not 50%

00:35:18.660 because that's just a recipe for a nightmare

00:35:20.580 I mean we're talking 60% of people got to get together

00:35:22.860 vote on it and say let's do it

00:35:25.000 and if anybody

00:35:27.080 thinks we're even vaguely close

00:35:29.320 to that tipping

00:35:30.940 point of support to go US 51

00:35:32.720 at this point, it's not

00:35:34.780 there, it's not

00:35:36.220 you know, you're going to be

00:35:38.760 a long ways from that right now

00:35:40.580 and the worst thing you can do if you are

00:35:42.660 an independent supporter

00:35:43.540 if you're looking for that sort of thing

00:35:45.820 is to have a referendum and lose that will set it back by a decade that's one of the things quebec

00:35:53.700 figured out you know that that's why even though they were only one percent away from a referendum

00:35:58.980 win in the 90s why they haven't held another one since they're finally actually just starting to

00:36:02.800 rumble about it again it's because they said they're not going to do it again until they get

00:36:06.180 the winning conditions and they've been working hard for years to try and get those winning

00:36:10.700 conditions. And the conditions haven't been there, so they haven't pulled

00:36:16.640 the trigger. A commenter is saying, you know, Lonnie, so delusional Albertans

00:36:20.760 want to join the USA. Okay, I'm not sure if you're saying it's delusional to think

00:36:25.160 that Albertans want to join or that I'm being delusional and you're saying

00:36:27.740 Albertans want to join. If you really think that more than 50% of Albertans

00:36:32.060 want to go at this point, I think you need to get out more. A number of people

00:36:39.200 want to go but not nearly a majority not even close and i'm not saying it'll never happen

00:36:44.400 but it's certainly not going to happen right now and i i've used the analogy before too i mean if

00:36:50.760 you're being courted if you if somebody's coming in and trying to woo you you know and flirt with

00:36:55.320 you and say you know join me partner with me you play a little coy you want some courtship and

00:37:01.000 things like that but when president trump comes on like he has been whoa whoa whoa you're coming

00:37:07.840 a little hot there, buddy. Cool your jets. Let's talk. Let's negotiate. Maybe. He's putting people

00:37:15.900 off, but I don't think he cares. I mean, that's what makes this in general. He's just stirring

00:37:20.860 that pot. I mean, realistically, again, with the amount of legislation, I mean, nobody's asked the

00:37:26.640 majority of Americans if they want another state either. And, you know, I think it's pretty important

00:37:31.340 on their part. People are making a lot of presumptions. It's an interesting discussion.

00:37:34.500 It absolutely is.

00:37:35.980 And then people start talking along the lines of the better elected senators

00:37:43.420 and other things that are available with the United States.

00:37:45.860 Absolutely.

00:37:46.680 But to the point of realistically looking at getting into that,

00:37:53.500 we're just not there quite yet.

00:37:54.920 But the discussion's on more than ever.

00:37:56.740 I just don't think it's moving us closer at this point.

00:37:58.760 It's moving us farther.

00:38:00.540 And I mean, you know, President Trump, how do you deal with him right now?

00:38:06.800 He's ticking people off.

00:38:08.800 I mean, people say it's strategic, but strategic to what?

00:38:12.880 Give us a demand then.

00:38:14.540 People say it's about the fentanyl.

00:38:15.560 No, it's not.

00:38:16.540 That's enough of that.

00:38:17.360 Come on, let's get real.

00:38:18.580 That's a problem.

00:38:19.540 Sure, I'm not saying there's no problem with the fentanyl in Canada and things like that.

00:38:24.640 There certainly is.

00:38:25.560 but there's nothing and he's kind of said there's nothing we could have done to stop that

00:38:30.080 you know the next day he's talking about a trade deficit he's saying that he's subsidizing Canada

00:38:34.840 by 200 billion a year which is completely untrue but that's his selling point he says we're going

00:38:39.220 to end that and then he says we're going to take all the auto manufacturing back down into the

00:38:43.640 United States his terms keep changing with whatever he's talking about day by day how do

00:38:49.700 you negotiate with that premier smith tried she took the the approach of going down to talk 0.98

00:38:58.020 directly i applauded it i thought it was a good tactic head down to mar-a-lago head down to the

00:39:03.460 inauguration make your case but what happened pretty much didn't make a difference what whatever

00:39:09.860 trump has in mind there's not much we can do it seems that's gonna impact that uh as kenzie saying

00:39:18.900 you know not being weenies to hang on to america's coattails i mean some of the things that we've got

00:39:25.380 to at least i mean as i said in my opening monologue strengthen ourselves we've got to make sure

00:39:33.620 that we can sell to other customers because he's just shaking us around because he can

00:39:38.900 and and and it doesn't mean we have to be fighting with them but you've got to be on

00:39:42.980 stronger footing so if we're going to have a president even if it's a future president

00:39:47.460 starting to be a pain with us, say, well, you know what? We can sell, the biggest heavy oil

00:39:53.260 refinery on the planet is in India. I'm sure they would be happy to get a few more tankers of 0.96

00:39:58.720 Albertan heavy crude getting out there. People also, we were talking about light crude because

00:40:02.380 they keep saying, oh, the Americans are the only ones that can process. That's not true.

00:40:05.620 Plus, Alberta produces, what, 370, people forget, you know, we talk about oil sands all the time,

00:40:12.200 but over 370,000 barrels a day of light crude oil, conventionally.

00:40:18.600 And I think just about as much of that conventionally in heavy crude.

00:40:22.220 Like, we've got to look at things.

00:40:26.120 You know, Wilder is saying this isn't about border security or drugs.

00:40:28.620 I think it's a mire about resources he needs.

00:40:30.140 Yeah, I don't know.

00:40:30.740 It makes more sense, right?

00:40:32.720 There's an interesting thing with Tristan Hopper,

00:40:34.440 he was putting on the National Post,

00:40:36.080 because President Trump, again, he took,

00:40:39.420 and there's some of the things that frustrate me with him.

00:40:42.200 Because he's such a BS-er, and he is, guys.

00:40:44.480 He is.

00:40:45.760 I mean, if you look back, only five years ago,

00:40:50.180 because he ripped up NAFTA,

00:40:52.140 or North American Free Trade Agreement,

00:40:53.640 and he said, we've got to make a new one.

00:40:55.380 And he made the new trade agreement.

00:40:58.160 And he trumpeted it.

00:40:59.220 He said, this is the best trade agreement ever.

00:41:02.620 He said that.

00:41:03.680 He signed that.

00:41:05.800 And now he's gotten in five years later, 1.00

00:41:07.380 ripped it up, and said, it's crap. 0.98

00:41:08.540 how do you negotiate with somebody who tears up your contract how do you negotiate with somebody 0.99

00:41:14.980 who basically campaign against himself how where are we going with this what does he want

00:41:22.820 i want to get closer to the united states i love the united states but that means we should be

00:41:29.320 integrating our markets more integrating getting closer having more business going back and forth

00:41:34.920 both ways having people going back and forth both ways and right now they're getting pushed apart

00:41:41.400 it's easy we're polarizing ourselves and and i just i mean i'm a guy who likes stirring the pot

00:41:50.200 i i like shaking up the establishment i believe in that absolutely but i mean at some point you

00:41:56.360 get to the point of not just shaking things up to make positive change you're just shaking it up for

00:42:00.840 sake of shaking it up when trump spoke to congress last night he was talking about

00:42:06.200 taking greenland why are you going there the americans already have a base on greenland

00:42:13.560 they don't need more access to that area there's a military base there they have an agreement with

00:42:17.720 denmark there's a contract what are you after because the people of greenland have made it

00:42:21.720 pretty clear we don't want to be american why are you shaking that tree why are you doing that and

00:42:29.000 And I just don't see the end.

00:42:32.020 I mean, people keep saying, oh, he's got a plan.

00:42:35.680 Well, it's time to start showing it pretty soon.

00:42:39.720 Make demands that stick then.

00:42:42.220 We want to work to accommodate, but you've got to say something and stick to it.

00:42:46.840 And it's bouncing around.

00:42:48.200 I saw a good analogy or listened to one from somebody on a radio interview the other day.

00:42:51.880 It's saying it's like trying to nail a piece of jello to a wall.

00:42:54.620 You just can't make a case.

00:42:56.320 You can't dance fast enough to that guy's tune. 0.99

00:42:59.000 And, yeah, part of our problem, too, is having an absolutely weak, lame duck, incompetent prime minister. 0.97

00:43:06.340 Trudeau, I mean, look how complicated this problem is for any leader. 0.94

00:43:12.240 And having him in the front of the line, oh, my Lord, are we ever in trouble.

00:43:16.640 But I don't, and I still want Trudeau out, and I want to see a better leader in,

00:43:20.360 and I think it's probably going to be Paliyev, and I think he will be better than Trudeau,

00:43:23.820 but I don't know how much because you're still trying to negotiate with a man who is as volatile as Trump.

00:43:31.720 So we're in for some crazy, crazy times.

00:43:36.240 The language out of Premier Smith yesterday was very much, she was standing apart from the Team Canada thing,

00:43:43.680 she was standing apart from the Trudeau gathering of people, kind of, and it failed and now she has jumped on board.

00:43:52.540 So guess what? Trump is actually unifying Canada.

00:43:57.000 So for people who want a unified Canada, who don't want to see independence movements spawning,

00:44:02.480 Trump has actually been kind of their best friend in a lot of ways.

00:44:06.980 Because I don't think it's making the independence sentiment grow.

00:44:10.400 I used an analogy before, too.

00:44:12.140 I mean, if we look at it, people talk about Canada as like a big family, a dysfunctional family, and we're fighting.

00:44:16.980 You know, if you get two brothers, my brother and I used to pound the hell out of each other all the time.

00:44:20.900 and they're beating on each other.

00:44:22.600 They've had a few beers and they're going at it.

00:44:25.240 That's fine, but if somebody steps in between those two brothers,

00:44:27.540 there's a really good chance they're both just going to turn

00:44:29.780 and start pounding on the third force.

00:44:32.120 We didn't need Trump coming in in the middle of our issue with Ottawa.

00:44:36.640 That doesn't endear us to him.

00:44:38.880 We'll take care of that here, or we should take care of that here.

00:44:41.500 But that's not, because other people are saying,

00:44:42.680 oh, he's fixing things in Canada.

00:44:43.980 No, he's not.

00:44:44.740 He hasn't fixed a bloody thing yet.

00:44:46.460 In fact, it's actually led to a bit of an increase of support for the liberals

00:44:50.140 Because as I said, when you get an outside external force, an external threat, people tend to rally together then, even if they don't like each other.

00:44:59.680 Because I don't like you, but it's not his business to get in the way and start stirring things up with me and you.

00:45:05.300 So Canadians are bonding.

00:45:08.260 And I'm seeing bad attitudes.

00:45:10.900 I don't like seeing that.

00:45:11.740 I don't like seeing the vitriol thrown out on X.

00:45:14.800 I don't like seeing people booing each other's national anthems.

00:45:17.620 It's tasteless.

00:45:18.940 It's pointless.

00:45:19.660 is divisive. The Americans are our closest friends. They are our allies. They are culturally

00:45:25.100 the closest people to Canada by far on the planet. And for us to be pulling apart from each other is

00:45:31.400 tragic and annoying and frustrating and it didn't need to happen. And I don't know when it's going

00:45:37.020 to change because we just don't know where the hell Trump is minute by minute, much less day by

00:45:42.360 day. All right, that's all I've got today, guys. By the way, my show is going to be expanding.

00:45:46.000 There's going to be another one dropping on Friday, and it's going to be longer and covering a lot more on national and federal issues.

00:45:52.620 And, of course, the pipeline is going to be on a little later, too, with our panel breaking things down.

00:45:57.160 Because, yeah, there's just so much to cover.

00:45:59.280 I'm going to have to take on another hour and a half to two hours a week to blather it on at you.

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Western Standard - March 06, 2025

Pipelines must be an election plank

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