00:03:15Here's the thing, Canadians didn't ask for this.
00:03:18Environics has asked the same question for decades and it found the share of Canadians who say there's too much immigration is more than doubled between 2022 and 2024 to 58%.
00:03:28Ottawa lightly tapped the brakes on the influx and support for some immigration has climbed again.
00:03:34But that doesn't mean they should press the pedal to the floor again, but that's what they've done.
00:03:38Ottawa loosened the temporary foreign worker program.
00:03:41Low wage work permits can now last two years instead of one.0.86
00:03:44How many more Tim Hortons workers do we really need?
00:03:47Do this in an economy where youth unemployment across Canada just hit 13.7%.
00:03:51Alberta lost 24,000 jobs in October, and our unemployment rate in general has jumped to 7.3%.
00:11:10That is a number of stories from, yes, the Western Standard, our news editor, Dave Naylor,
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00:12:11This isn't even somebody who has to stand at a door when a man presents with a beard
00:12:17who's thrown a dress on and saying, I'm a woman today,
00:12:19and you're supposed to say she heard of me today.0.78
00:12:21whatever that is minor annoying crap from uh disturbed people this is medicine this is science
00:12:31this is laboratory work as dave said there's some things that are very distinct between genders0.60
00:12:36there's different lab levels different hormone levels things that are to be expected and things
00:12:41you're looking for that you don't look for in others as i said you're not you know what i don't
00:12:47have to be a doctor i don't have to be a scientist and no i have zero risk of ovarian cancer it will
00:12:55not happen to me why because i don't have ovaries i could go through all the other stuff chop off0.72
00:13:02my bits and pieces take a bunch of hormone therapy scream and yell throw on that dress1.00
00:13:07shave a little more closely remove my adam's apple and you know what i still won't have ovaries
00:13:11and nobody who was born a woman has a prostate so a PSA test on them is pointless pointless why
00:13:22would you scour and check the fluids and hormones and blood levels for prostate issues on somebody
00:13:28but this is what is being asked by law now these labs are being fined for not acting as if these
00:13:36these people who want to change their genders have actually changed. We're facing a true
00:13:42up isn't up anymore. It's down. Like this is insane. We got to get rid of these human rights
00:13:49commissions. We really do. They're nuts. They're nuts. And it's just getting beyond the pale.
00:13:55Holy cow. Now we're putting people at risk. We really are. As I said to Dave, when they go and
00:14:00misdiagnose somebody because they didn't check that trans person for prostate issues, it turns0.63
00:14:05out he or she or whatever it is by the hour has prostate cancer they'll come back and sue the lab0.99
00:14:10because they didn't check for it it's just stupid all right well let's get on to the land of common0.99
00:14:15sense and and good policy you know ottawa parliament hill nothing ever goes wrong up there0.99
00:14:20they do everything right and they just passed the budget and it's a whopper and we have waleed up
00:14:26there to tell us all about it and see what he's seen it how's it going waleed pretty good how
00:14:32about yourself oh i think uh might be muted there just a moment we'll have you uh a little more
00:14:39clearly right away here and uh let's try again can you hear me now ah you're coming in great
00:14:48thank you just a little bit of a technical hiccup so uh how are things going out east
00:14:52well budget week was last week and obviously as you know with budgets their political documents
00:14:58geared around the focus of the government in the upcoming fiscal year. And I have to say,
00:15:04my biggest impression has been a change in signaling and messaging. Once again, a budget
00:15:09without any faces or diverse faces on the cover. And of course, 547 pages later, a lot of spending
00:15:15items to talk about. Well, that's it. I mean, the spending is massive within there. What are
00:15:22some of the top areas that they're increasing spending in? What are these critical needs that
00:15:26we must just pour those new oil revenues into? Well, to be frank with you, there is a large
00:15:33number of items as well. But I think what's most concerning is your allocation for debt reduction
00:15:39spending, or essentially the portion of each dollar of revenue is around 11 cents that is
00:15:45going specifically to interest payments. And we're still seeing that deficit number for this year at
00:15:5262.5 and then the following fiscal year at 65.2 so in terms of spending it's consistently high
00:16:00there's a number of issues on on the table for spending but before we even get onto the number
00:16:05of discrepancy I just want to inform viewers that the deficit numbers are relatively conservative
00:16:11to what the real debt figures may end up becoming based on the return on capital spending so as you
00:16:18know with the budget we were separating the two accounts the capital spending in one area and the
00:16:23operating budget the operating budget as annual services and simple any specific cost of running
00:16:30government and government projects but on the project side there are some items like for example
00:16:35infrastructure projects and expansions that can be written off as a capital investment because of
00:16:41course there could be a return on that investment I find it to be quite misleading because our
00:16:46fiscal picture on debt. First of all, we're looking at a five-year chronic deficit with
00:16:52minimal decreases year over year. I think in 2031, we could still be looking at a 50-plus
00:16:57billion dollar deficit according to the government's estimates. Remember, this is what the
00:17:01government is estimating. This can change as early as next spring when the spring economic
00:17:07update comes up. But there are big items. Some that caught my eye, Corey, were a lot of
00:17:13investment measures and there's the mega deduction trying to spur up economic productivity that's
00:17:19probably the single biggest items there we're going to talk about immigration later as well
00:17:23that's including temporary foreign workers a very controversial thing out there in alberta for sure
00:17:28and i think 155 million was earmarked for the temporary for worker programs reforms over five
00:17:35years i'm not exactly sure entirely what those reforms will be but what i do know much more is
00:17:41there will be a four-year funding program that is a separate item that's worth about 300 million
00:17:46dollars that will help fund the temporary to premier residency transition measure which is
00:17:52part of the immigration measure as you know you mentioned the 660 000 figure and that figure is
00:17:57adding on 200 000 people tacked on to the 380 000 people annual mark of mark carney for for
00:18:03permanent residence admissions so that transition process itself is also a pretty significant cost
00:18:09of almost half a billion dollars well and then that travels down into the recipient provinces
00:18:15and municipalities that deal with the additional people and have to figure out how to accommodate
00:18:20and adapt i mean this but we were talking about that earlier actually it was on the
00:18:25a different recording but you know immigration is often and the trudeau government was notorious
00:18:31for using it as a means though to juice the economy and if you bring in a lot of new people
00:18:35It helps the economy in the shorter term, it adds to it, but the GDP per capita tends to shrink because you're bringing more people into a smaller structure.
00:18:45Do you think that's still some of the motivation?
00:18:47Like he just doesn't feel inclined to cut the budget, get it in order, so he's just using, again, the immigration tool as a means to juice it and avoid going into recession, but it's kind of kicking the can down the road.
00:18:58Well, to be fair, first of all, I have to say the growth of economy vis-a-vis immigration is sometimes a little bit misleading.
00:19:05I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing from an economic perspective to have labor shortages in certain industries and areas.
00:19:11That might just conform the public sector and more importantly, the private sector rather.
00:19:16The public sector already has a lot of juice, a lot of energy, a lot of people wanting to work in there,
00:19:21especially here in Ottawa, where the public sector dominates even proportional to the size of the population in the city.
00:19:26I think we passed one million a few years ago, and yet most of the jobs that are really juicing the local economy are on the public dollar.
00:19:32But on the matter of immigration relative to the temporary foreign worker program, that we've been seeing a lot of these low skilled workers come in.
00:19:41That's the fast food industry, retail, all kinds of jobs for the minimum wage, the minimum wage plus one, two dollar category.
00:19:48You know, that's a high school entry level job. That's people beginning to start to build income and start to pay taxes.
00:19:53It's a very important entry level in life. I wasn't so far away from that at 24 years old today.
00:19:58I remember myself 16 years old working at Staples and that was kind of my entrance point there.
00:20:02I think we're delaying that entrance point for a number of people that are having a hard time finding those jobs in big metropolitan areas
00:20:09when we have high populations of temporary fund workers who are taking up some of those jobs and playing more competition in that marketplace.
00:20:15In terms of just increasing the amount of people who are paying taxes and, of course, who are also part of the workforce
00:20:24and increasing the potential of small businesses to, because ultimately small businesses do need, you know,
00:20:30fast tour lovers and you need to have people that can work at the more competitive rates
00:20:33again like you said yourself it's a very temporary effect the long-term effects are when these people
00:20:39begin having these long-term expenses and long-term needs like health care and housing i think canada
00:20:46the challenge versus perhaps united states that can also take in a higher portion of people even
00:20:52as a percentage of population is that the cost per person of living in canada is significantly
00:20:58higher in terms of the social and public fund service spending on a single individual, given
00:21:04them health care, which, you know, we guarantee the provincial level. But for the most part, it's
00:21:10relatively fair across the country. It's a significant cost, right? And of course, we're
00:21:16also looking at the fact that we have a number of other public services beyond just health care
00:21:21that also increase that cost. So I think if we're bringing in lower skilled people that are
00:21:27ultimately at the bottom tax bracket, it's probably a bad fiscal move. And this is why
00:21:32the government's heading in that different direction. Of course, again, this still brings
00:21:36up a demographic challenge on the economy and housing market choke points. But you heard about
00:21:40this a few weeks back when the Minister of Immigration mentioned the new change to open up
00:21:47high-skill, high-income temporary foreign worker or temporary residence permits. That right there
00:21:54is perhaps somewhere in the capitulation area between cutting down these admissions or just
00:22:00changing the criterium to try to match the economy in a better way but again that's a short-term
00:22:04measure because we don't know the fate of those people and we don't exactly know perfectly just
00:22:09yet how productive those people will be in the economy depending on what the actual admissions
00:22:13are for now they have earmarked a number but we don't know exactly what kinds of incomes we're
00:22:19looking at, I think perhaps 80,000 plus, but still with the cost of living today, I don't know if
00:22:24that's going to be as fruitful as advertised. Yeah, I guess we'll see. I mean, it's hard because
00:22:29the debate just gets so polarized. I think most people when they, you know, rational and they
00:22:34look at it and they realize immigration is typically a net benefit. It's good for the0.60
00:22:37country. It's good for the economy. It brings people in new skills, a lot of things. But the
00:22:43problem is when it comes to controlling it though, doing it in a managed manner and making sure that
00:22:49you are bringing in a sustainable number, which was the term Carney used on this, but I don't
00:22:52know if this is sustainable. And that discussion just doesn't seem to be on the table.
00:22:58Well, Corey, what I have to mention is I know, you know, at the Western Standard,
00:23:02we've covered the immigration file a lot. We looked at a lot of critical views. And of course,
00:23:06the Century Initiative comes to head when you're looking at the Carney government and the Carney
00:23:09space. That Century Initiative of getting Canada's population 100 million. Yeah, of course, that is
00:23:14a significant eye-watering figure. But if we're looking at it more rationally, developing and
00:23:20mid-sized developing nations and developed nations do increase the population over time in the last
00:23:26century. We've seen that growth ourselves in the last 100 years of confederation. But the
00:23:33immigration growth is the dilemma here. How are you growing a population? The Century Initiative
00:23:39says immigration has to be the number one volume driving of population growth. And the problem
00:23:45with that is when you don't have a very sustainable, cost-effective, kind of, you know,
00:23:52inviting system where people want to grow families locally, organically, you know, couples, two,
00:23:59three kids entering into the four kids, you know, we're a country that most people drive SUVs. So
00:24:05it's not a big ask to see families, you know, have three kids and ultimately that becoming a more
00:24:11normal standard. We're so far off that mark. And so if that's the case that we're taking the
00:24:16Century Initiative, Mark Wiseman approach the population growth, trying to make Canada a more
00:24:21relevant geopolitical force, a stronger and larger economy overall. A larger economy is not a better
00:24:27economy. That's also another point I have to make. There are a number of countries that we outrank
00:24:31in GDP, we have almost the same GDP as Brazil, right? I think we're at $1.5 trillion, give or
00:24:39take. That's almost the same GDP that the country of Brazil with 210 million people have. Quality
00:24:46of life, income per person, GDP per capita, public service quality. They guarantee the same public
00:24:52services as well. They also have a universal single taxpayer healthcare system, but at the
00:24:57same time, it's such a different quality of life experience. So this idea of just growth overall,
00:25:04it's, you have to put in the question, and as a journalist, when I say, when I hear the words
00:25:07growth or even development, I have to ask, growth and development for who, for whom, right? Is it
00:25:12the employing class or the employee class? And I think oftentimes, you know, whether you're Avi
00:25:17Lewis or Pierre Polyev, a lot of the fingers are pointing towards that investment summit,
00:25:21social circle of elites and corporations that perhaps are guiding the way of interest on some
00:25:27of these budget items, including the immigration file. Yeah. So, so getting back to the budget and
00:25:32spending and, and Pierre Polyev, this is where, you know, I often have the Taxpayers Federation
00:25:37on. This is the tougher question. What's Polyev been pushing though that needs cutting? It's easy
00:25:41to say we're spending too much. I mean, I think, I think most might agree, but then you, you better
00:25:45be able to get out the pencil and say exactly, well, what will you cut? Like, where's he trying
00:25:49to come from in this then to direct as an official opposition member where is he telling the
00:25:54government to make cuts or has he gotten to that point in his opposition yet? Well I think he will
00:25:59get item to item in the future where we start seeing where these spending measures are more
00:26:05effective or less effective but I think obviously for Conservative Party given their platform in
00:26:10April of last year the civil service cuts Mark Carney has to his credit cut the civil service
00:26:16around 10% and also other areas of spending. The Ottawa bureaucracy and the federal government
00:26:22bureaucracy overall is something that Pierre Polyev would more than likely cut at a higher rate than
00:26:26that. Again, that would be a significant saving measure. Very controversial Ottawa because as
00:26:32you remember, he used to be an Ottawa area MP. He also lost his seat last time. So I don't think
00:26:36that will be a concern for him locally anymore as it once was. So perhaps you could adopt an even
00:26:42more aggressive stance or push for something more aggressive. You know, foreign aid spending is
00:26:47always an easy idea for conservatives to go after. I think if they're looking for cuts to immigration,
00:26:51because that's my biggest question. And of course, you know, a publisher, Derek Fildegrand,
00:26:54interviewed conservative immigration critic, Michelle Wimper-Gauder, asking about the
00:26:58conservative stance on immigration. And of course, a lot of cloudy answers in terms of what exactly
00:27:02they were aiming for in terms of numbers. Their definition seems to be heading towards the cost
00:27:07of living slash inflation slash housing needs and capacities to actually accommodate people,
00:27:11which is we don't even have a figure for ourselves so that's a very ambiguous area but if you're
00:27:16looking at cutting into immigration and specifically on the temporary photo worker profile you could
00:27:20definitely look to different social service spending cuts as well because you're looking
00:27:25at a smaller population small population growth and of course the earmarked items regarding
00:27:29immigration could also be cut as a result of these populations and admission targets being reduced
00:27:34eliminated or reformed entirely so those are the first ones come to my mind the one that I think
00:27:39be most interesting because i went to the canadian defense industry conference that happened in may
00:27:45of this year at the conference i spoke to erin o'toole peter mckay i spoke to people in the
00:27:52industry i've spoke to even you know deeply consider the backbenchers uh from the conservative
00:27:57party who you know gave a lot of credit to mark harney for increasing national defense it's a very
00:28:01very critical important area of course there will be debates arguments in terms of where our
00:28:05procurement should be if we're really going to diversify from the us which is an industry leader
00:28:09and aerial, you know, aerospace technology, no one else, you know, barring a few exceptions in
00:28:15Europe, I think most of our weapons have the highest quality and caliber who should and could
00:28:21come from the United States. But given the elbows up approach on diversification, which could also
00:28:25make sense from a, you know, strategic cost procurement strategy, if you are maybe closer
00:28:30to Europe. But the national defense is what I want to actually speak to more consumers and hear from
00:28:36them in terms of what their actual approach would be would they be even more aggressive than karnia
00:28:40which is a very hard thing to do fiscally because his military spending has has increased
00:28:44substantially so i wonder if they feel the same approach or if the water in the consular vials
00:28:50are a little bit different typically consularers do tend to be pro-military but of course harper
00:28:54you know as a fiscal consular had a hard time sending significant increases in the military
00:28:59in his last mandate when he had a majority government so i wonder if consularers would
00:29:03actually have a more alternative or slower approach than the liberals uh because that
00:29:08nationalist energy that exists in the liberal party is exactly the political formula that they
00:29:11need and you have to remember that military families come from across the country but a lot
00:29:15of them also come from the nation's capital come from big urban areas and uh you know could actually
00:29:20technically be a popular liberal platform idea so i think especially for a heritage liberal from the
00:29:25last 10-15 years going back to the cretion martin era i definitely think it makes a lot of sense for
00:29:31required to be due when he's due on the military, but that's a big, big, big spend item as well.
00:29:35So it's a hard thing to swallow fiscally as well. It absolutely is. And then military spending,
00:29:40yeah, it's been kind of withering for decades, really. It was conservatives and liberals who
00:29:44were sort of letting it atrophy for quite some time. And Carney has turned that around and it
00:29:48makes it hard for a conservative proponent to call for cuts there. So lots to cover. I mean,
00:29:54lots going on, lots for you to watch. You see, you had a 500 and some page document to have to
00:29:58sift through and work on uh you know before i let you go though you're still covering things in
00:30:02ottawa what can we look forward to out of you know from your coverage and and uh what do you
00:30:07expect to see in the house of commons in this next few weeks as we move towards the christmas break
00:30:12oh there's a few things i'm thinking of myself first of all the auto sector is featuring canada
00:30:17and specifically in ontario you know obviously we all drive cars i i'm a big car nerd myself
00:30:22and i'm looking at the industry i really do think that the industry is witnessing and of course our
00:30:27editor Dave Mailer mentioned the slanted story coming from today, and an industry minister,
00:30:33Melanie Lill-Jolie, receiving calls from Polyev onto Carney to fire her. That's not going to
00:30:37happen. I don't think so. I don't think Polyev's calls to get any minister of the liberal government
00:30:42fired really happens. I think the way Polyev has influence is vis-a-vis the committees, vis-a-vis
00:30:47the scrutinies, vis-a-vis the scandals. Back to the Bill Mono age of the finance ministry with
00:30:52the charity scandal. But I don't think there was anything scandalous with Melanie Lill-Jolie,
00:30:56besides the performance on the auto sector and, of course, trade areas that affect those industries.
00:31:03I think right now, the good news coming out is that Honda's going to be expanding their CRV hybrid model manufacturing
00:31:11in their already existing plant in Alliston, Ontario.
00:31:16Woodstock Ontario has also seen an expansion for the RAV4.
00:31:19But the bad news, the double-edged sword negative element here is that if you know vehicles,
00:31:24you know that those are the single two most popular suvs and they're coming from the hybrid
00:31:29line so they're extra popular here in canada where there's the environmental economic and gas
00:31:33mileage focused on the consumer angle if the only expansion is happening at the single most popular
00:31:40most purchased vehicles in our local and north american market that means that the mid-tier table
00:31:47is going to see a strength stelantis your dodge caravans i mean the caravan was moved up to
00:31:52the more premium Chrysler side of Stellantis's products. Now, the Caravan is essentially
00:31:58grandfather's vehicle from old models. But the production in that sector, if that collapses,
00:32:05you're going to deal with a much smaller auto sector in Canada in terms of the manufacturing.
00:32:10A lot of those companies are indeed American. So there is that tariff pressure, that national
00:32:14pressure, the American subsidy offer that could play leverage. But if the only thing you can do
00:32:19is manufactured, the most popular Japanese vehicles in North America, I think, they'll be0.90
00:32:23a protected kind of decade to decade shrink in the auto sector. What once used to be a leading
00:32:31auto sector of the world, frankly, couldn't become something much smaller. I'm looking at COP30. So
00:32:38actually, COP31, my apologies. In my last job, I was at COP30 in Brazil covering the climate change
00:32:44event by the UN and Canada's spending figures. I believe Canada put about $392 million in sending
00:32:50money to developing countries to fight and tackle climate change. Now COP31 is happening in Turkey
00:32:57and it's already underway. Minister De Bruzen will be heading there, but you know who else will be
00:33:02there? Diana Fox Carney will be there leading the delegation. So I'm very curious to know what the
00:33:07costs and the platform measures that will be offered. That's another spending item as well.
00:33:13very controversial given that last COP30 didn't even have anything in the letter the same letter
00:33:20of the event didn't even have anything to do with fossil fuels which the environmentalists
00:33:24were upset about and the pragmatic environmentalists were a little bit more happy and satisfied with
00:33:29so I wonder if what the message of COP31 comes out from and what message that will channel back
00:33:34to Canada vis-a-vis our natural resource industry and sector if that message stays consistent and
00:33:40And I think it would be a positive sign for Alberta, because that would mean the, you know, the international community is still in that consensus that we need oil.
00:33:49And that's always a good and rational message.
00:33:52And of course, you know, just the immigration file, it's always going to be one of the most prolific issues right now, given where our economy is.
00:34:01And like I said, between now and April, we will see what the messages of the government will be.
00:34:07There will more than likely be a spring economic update.
00:34:09And I'm very confident that we might see some updates to those figures, kind of in a conservative angle, potentially, especially as the European Union discussions continue fueling anxieties on the right in Canada on the immigration file.
00:34:26I wonder that the government might start thinking twice about its current targets.
00:34:32Great. Well, lots to cover and lots happening over there.
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