Western Standard - Smith’s leadership gets wobbly

00:00:00.000 good day and welcome to the pipeline i'm derek phil de brant publisher of the western standard

00:00:29.520 Today is June 3rd, 2026.

00:00:32.780 I've got the usual crew plus one today, but we're also in our new digs in our very romantically lit studio.

00:00:40.800 I think we've, uh, John in production here has done some great work upping our, uh, I think our, I think the sound sounds better.

00:00:47.460 And I like, uh, look, oh, look how, look at this good group of, uh, of lads, eh?

00:00:52.900 Tight quarters just in the right month.

00:00:54.920 It is a bit tight.

00:00:56.140 Uh, I want a table, but at least I got to sit beside Nigel.

00:00:59.520 And I get to still rub the knees with you.

00:01:03.160 Yeah, we get a prescription for that.

00:01:04.620 All right.

00:01:05.060 All right.

00:01:05.520 You're holding hands in the shower in no time.

00:01:07.980 All right.

00:01:09.240 Former opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.

00:01:12.140 Senior Alberta columnist, Corey Morgan.

00:01:14.200 News editor, senior news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:01:16.900 Hello.

00:01:17.440 Also coming to us from beautiful British Columbia in Vancouver.

00:01:21.200 We got Alex Zoltan, our BC reporter.

00:01:24.820 All right.

00:01:26.260 We're going to talk about occupied Europe. 0.50

00:01:29.520 on the brink. The murder of a young man in England by a migrant under wild circumstances 0.97

00:01:39.220 and the complacency of the British police, the British political establishment, the British

00:01:45.000 media establishment is, well, there's rioting taking place right now. And it really is emblematic

00:01:54.580 of what is afflicting Western civilization right now,

00:01:58.280 not just London, not just England, not just Europe,

00:02:01.540 but really all Western civilization.

00:02:04.000 This is, I know we try to keep it fairly close to home,

00:02:07.640 but this one, even though it's in England,

00:02:10.700 I find it's really touching me here.

00:02:13.940 I think it's touching a lot of people.

00:02:15.820 You're not going to hear about it in most of the mainstream media.

00:02:18.540 It's got between zero to next to zero coverage here.

00:02:23.480 despite its parallels with the George Floyd case

00:02:27.800 where a criminal drug addict

00:02:32.180 on drugs was killed

00:02:34.720 it's not great a guy was killed period

00:02:38.240 but a guy was killed being lawfully arrested while he was on fentanyl

00:02:42.480 and he couldn't breathe

00:02:43.620 and then a non-intoxicated

00:02:48.060 law-abiding man who was brutally murdered

00:02:51.840 with a ceremonial knife by a migrant um was arrested himself while the murderer was let go

00:03:00.480 and uh you know so there's parallels but they obviously diverge in some pretty important ways

00:03:06.400 george floyd was no hero uh he didn't necessarily deserve what he got uh but he didn't deserve to

00:03:13.440 be lionized as a hero either but uh nowak as young man in england um very much uh is a different case

00:03:21.520 Anyway, we're going to get it. I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm supposed to be just queuing up the topics. Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, the very careful tightrope walk that she has done to date between the minority federalists in the party and the majority nationalists in the party, I think there's increasing evidence that the tightrope walk that she has been doing is becoming increasingly wobbly, that she has lost that balance, and that's her prerogative.

00:03:49.360 but there could be significant ramifications to her leadership if she continues to skew much harder

00:03:55.200 in the direction of the Federalists within the party than the Nationalists. So we'll talk about

00:04:00.260 what this means for her leadership. But speaking of conservative leaders, we want to start in

00:04:04.940 British Columbia, where the British Columbia Conservative Party has elected a new leader.

00:04:11.560 We had our BC reporter, Alex Zoltan, on the floor of the BC Leadership Convention. I believe it was

00:04:18.580 in Vancouver uh why don't you just kind of tee it up for us give us a real super high level brief

00:04:23.880 summary of the race the main candidates and what happened over the weekend uh with the vote

00:04:29.780 sure I'd be happy to so I must confess that when I was first assigned this story and I don't want

00:04:37.580 to sound ungrateful by any means because I love politics and there's never a dull moment in BC

00:04:41.260 politics but looking at it from a high level at the very beginning my concern was that this was

00:04:46.600 going to be a hard story to make interesting if you just looked at the initial cast of characters

00:04:51.380 i mean you had ian black he was a former bcm la liberal when i was i think in high school or my

00:04:56.440 first years of university peter millibar he's the finance critic yuri former he was an entrepreneur

00:05:01.940 i really didn't know that much about and caroline elliott who is a phd and a bit of a political

00:05:08.040 talking head so to speak and then carrie lynn finley who is a well-seasoned member of parliament

00:05:12.460 it seemed very boring on its surface but it ended up turning into absolute cinema it was just the

00:05:19.180 most amazing race um especially for those of us that feel maybe a bit disenchanted after the

00:05:23.900 canadian federal election it's been a long time i think since true blue conservatives have felt

00:05:30.260 like they elected their chosen candidate and that they won something so it was uh it ended up turning

00:05:36.620 into a great race so it was it was a nail biter 51 49 um uh carolyn finley the uh the eventual

00:05:46.700 winner uh it's there was a very serious effort to disqualify her in the final hours i they

00:05:54.460 ultimately didn't i think it probably would have blown up the party to disqualify someone who

00:05:58.480 as it turns out would have won uh i don't political parties tend not to recover from that

00:06:03.820 but I think if I could interrupt you for just one second that actually was just one of many

00:06:10.020 setbacks prior to jumping onto the pipeline I actually wrote down a list there was many many

00:06:15.620 setbacks for her campaign and for folks who don't know much about her personal biography

00:06:19.420 she was a widow very very young with two young children her son or her sorry her husband died

00:06:24.780 very very quickly and suddenly of a heart attack she was then involved in a long legal dispute

00:06:31.400 with the Musqueam Band. This is back in the late 90s, in the early 2000s. She ended up declaring

00:06:36.060 bankruptcy. And what we saw through the race was that this woman was just incredibly unflappable. 1.00

00:06:41.800 So at the very beginning of the race, David Denhoff, who leads a municipal organization of

00:06:47.080 like-minded conservatives, he was her campaign manager. He defected from her campaign to the

00:06:52.600 Elliott campaign. She responded by saying, well, you weren't my official campaign manager anyway.

00:06:57.080 good riddance that was just a sign of things to come uh next the poly market manipulation showed

00:07:02.960 that she was ranking it sometimes in dead last so that seemed like there was no chance then she had

00:07:08.420 the canada strong and free debate where she accused peter millibar of being in a actually

00:07:13.120 sorry that was the global news debate where she accused peter millibar of being in a conflict of

00:07:17.100 interest because his wife was indigenous she was widely derided as a racist we thought she was dead

00:07:21.580 in the water there then the rob shaw story came out that said that she was under active

00:07:25.960 investigation from elections canada it turned out to be a bit of a nothing burger but leok

00:07:31.300 wanted to disqualify her at the last minute which is what you were just talking about but i just 0.52

00:07:34.940 wanted to highlight that that was just the last of a string of setbacks for her in which she

00:07:39.060 appeared completely unflappable it was a really bumpy road um but i think that last one where they

00:07:45.000 seemingly came at least close to disqualifying her even though they didn't the clouds surrounding

00:07:51.080 that probably suppressed her vote so i i by how much i cannot say with any credibility but i i

00:07:57.560 think it's fair to say that it probably probably suppressed her vote she probably would have won

00:08:02.280 by a bigger margin than a bare 51 percent if she had not come within a hair of being disqualified

00:08:08.800 a very public fashion and the kind of scandalettes surrounding that scenario um tell us about uh

00:08:17.820 Elliott, the very close runner-up.

00:08:22.300 I want your opinion on how fair or not it was,

00:08:25.160 but a lot of people derided her campaign as Team Ontario.

00:08:28.300 There was all these Ontario consultants.

00:08:32.320 It was seen by some of the more establishment campaign.

00:08:35.560 It had been endorsed by former Alberta Premier Jason Kenney.

00:08:40.100 I don't know if that helped or not,

00:08:41.740 but it had a bunch of people who were kind of surrounding Doug Ford

00:08:46.920 and whatnot kind of establishment uh conservative consultant figures and these people do appear in

00:08:52.620 all major races in all provinces anyway people do cross uh provincial boundaries for these races

00:08:58.340 that's not unusual the number of the senior officials being from Ontario like actual Ontario

00:09:06.040 residents not just from there originally but actually you know active Ontarians uh perhaps

00:09:12.800 that was a bit high how fair or not do you think those accusations against elliot were that it was

00:09:18.420 team ontario team consultant team doug ford even which is pretty damning to you know to some of us

00:09:24.440 and how how how uh how much of an effect do you think that had on the race

00:09:27.780 it would be hard for me to say how team ontario she was because i didn't work directly in her

00:09:34.060 campaign we can make certain assumptions off of the fact that she chose cory tonight as her

00:09:39.240 campaign manager. But how much of an influence he had versus her many volunteers who were BC-based

00:09:45.500 is unfortunately sort of unfalsifiable for me. The allegations that she is a liberal are completely

00:09:52.460 valid. She was vice president of the BC Liberal Party, now virtually defunct. And so I think that

00:09:58.880 there was a combination of, I think what it was, it was perception is reality. And a lot of people

00:10:05.020 in BC regarded her as the establishment and insider candidate, which was really perplexing

00:10:11.440 and sort of contradictory because Carrie Lynn Finley had the most political experience and

00:10:16.640 Elliot had the least, maybe Uri Fulmer, actually Uri Fulmer for sure. And so that was very interesting

00:10:23.500 and also that she was considered the establishment candidate even though she was the youngest and

00:10:27.400 Carrie Lynn Finley was considered the underdog and the anti-establishment candidate even though

00:10:31.860 again she was the most experienced and the oldest um i i know the ndp are trying to brand her as

00:10:39.940 they do every conservative leader no matter what as you know maple mega north i mean the left did

00:10:47.560 the same thing to erin o'toole who was a full-out liberal who ran on an even worse carbon tax than

00:10:54.480 trudeau and they tried to paint him as maple mega you know like so like stephen harper they try to

00:11:00.460 say he's george bush i mean it's the same thing every time the question is about how how effective

00:11:06.300 is that allegation that they make against everyone um the ndp have come out you know with that against

00:11:13.320 um uh against finley but um how do you think the bc conservatives are going to change going forward

00:11:22.080 now that we're in the post um uh rust that era formerly with the new leader well carrie lynn

00:11:29.540 finley was kind enough to give us an interview very early on in the campaign i believe she was

00:11:33.980 the first candidate to give western standard an interview and i had a central question for all

00:11:38.160 of the candidates who would speak to us that was all of them with the exception of caroline elliott 0.55

00:11:42.420 but so caroline elliott refused to interview with you yes correct she actually refused to

00:11:48.000 interview with almost all of the independent or non-legacy media journalists in bc that was a

00:11:53.160 huge sticking point as well yeah well yeah i guess if you're trying to win the votes of

00:11:58.380 conservatives in the west you should probably talk to the western standard and the other independent

00:12:03.820 kind of right-leaning media as well uh well that's it i i had known that you should have told

00:12:08.460 us i think that would have been uh newsworthy at that time well i heard that this was actually

00:12:13.420 standing standard operating procedure for cory tonight i heard that he did the same thing in

00:12:18.060 ontario that he would only speak to legacy media journalists so i didn't take it personally by any

00:12:21.900 stretch of the imagination no no but it but it's it's newsworthy if a candidate running an internal

00:12:27.660 conservative race refuses to talk to the non-left-wing establishment media. I believe she

00:12:37.260 did end up doing an interview with Harrison Faulkner, but that's the only one that comes to

00:12:42.600 mind. But back to the Carrie Lynn Finley interview, she was very, very generous with her time, and

00:12:46.620 there was a central interview question that I asked all the candidates who would speak with me, and

00:12:50.260 that was, how do you intend to unite the caucus? I thought it was an interesting question, especially

00:12:54.560 given the sort of division that we see in the BC Conservative Party. And her question was one of

00:13:00.440 competence and experience. She was a former party whip with the Polyev government. She was also a

00:13:07.200 national revenue minister with Stephen Harper. And she provided many, many anecdotal examples of

00:13:14.040 times when she was able to unite the Federal Conservative Caucus. And so I think that she

00:13:18.380 will be able to do the same thing with the BC conservatives. As for the aspersions being put

00:13:25.000 forth by the BC NDP that she is people mega or a mega regional manager, I don't really know what

00:13:29.860 that means. I would argue that that may actually be true. There are certain elements of her

00:13:37.760 political leanings and her style that are actually, for lack of a better phrase, Trumpian. For

00:13:42.480 instance um her husband has gotten into some hot water with being very very pro-israel um she has

00:13:49.280 taken some very outspoken stances on child sex affirming surgery if you even want to call it that 0.95

00:13:55.940 and those are child sex changes yeah i mean i call it child genital mutilation i don't really

00:14:02.200 call whatever you want yeah i i try to be uh i think your terminology was a little over cautious

00:14:09.220 I'm in Vancouver. I have to try to be as tactful as humanly possible.

00:14:12.580 Well, we'll get you a gun.

00:14:14.600 Oh, yeah. No, no. You guys will eventually get me on the right track there.

00:14:17.860 But these are somewhat Trumpian or Republican adjacent policies.

00:14:22.640 But what's strange about the BCNDP is that they're not even fetching for these examples.

00:14:27.100 Instead, they're just calling her a Maple regional manager.

00:14:30.040 And the whole thing feels very low effort and hackneyed.

00:14:33.300 And it gives me the impression, this is purely my theory, I don't know this for sure, that they've kind of given up.

00:14:39.220 it doesn't even seem like they're trying anymore.

00:14:41.240 And I also get the impression that these sort of attacks

00:14:43.540 were pre-formulated prior to them knowing

00:14:46.000 who actually won the race.

00:14:47.860 I think they would have been saying the exact same thing 1.00

00:14:49.700 if Caroline Elliott or any of the other candidates

00:14:51.840 had won, frankly.

00:14:53.600 Well, indeed.

00:14:56.160 I think, I mean, conservatives will do it to NDP

00:14:58.720 or to liberals.

00:14:59.600 Liberals will do it to conservatives.

00:15:01.280 NDP will do it to conservatives.

00:15:02.720 The talking points for these things

00:15:04.280 are always written in advance.

00:15:06.200 Famously, I think the conservatives

00:15:07.800 even had attack ads ready

00:15:09.260 for Stéphane Dion, even before

00:15:11.860 Stéphane Dion became the Conservative leader.

00:15:13.920 They had ads produced, and Stéphane Dion

00:15:15.720 was not actually favored to win. I guess they just took

00:15:17.820 the... Who were everyone who could possibly

00:15:19.740 win, and they released it?

00:15:21.900 But yeah, I guess it's... But it does

00:15:23.860 seem like, not just low effort, but low IQ

00:15:25.800 talking points. Oh, she's 1.00

00:15:28.000 regional manager of Omega.

00:15:31.000 Have you seen

00:15:31.880 David Aidy lately? I mean, he's

00:15:33.760 the glummest guy on Earth.

00:15:35.760 Eeyore of politics. I mean, he's

00:15:37.640 premier e or he knows he's dead man walking yeah okay alex uh thank you very much we'll let you

00:15:43.040 get back to work here uh while we go talk about the fall of europe thank you very much thank you

00:15:49.060 for having me okay uh that was uh alex zoltan uh western standard uh reporter uh based in vancouver

00:15:58.500 uh okay so i've already kind of got ahead of myself in the introduction of the show about

00:16:05.220 the murder of Nowak in England. It's not just that a Sikh migrant murdered a promising young man

00:16:23.420 in cold blood. 0.95

00:16:25.900 For me, it's

00:16:27.680 the

00:16:28.180 enabling of it by the

00:16:31.600 British establishment that 1.00

00:16:33.660 this migrant

00:16:35.320 who murdered him was 0.97

00:16:37.420 allowed to carry a ceremonial knife, 0.98

00:16:39.480 a kirpen, when an 1.00

00:16:41.400 indigenous Briton is

00:16:42.800 not allowed to. One person 1.00

00:16:45.480 is legally allowed to carry a weapon.

00:16:47.540 The other person is not.

00:16:49.640 And why are they not allowed to carry

00:16:51.640 uh knives in britain because they're all stabby now because they don't have guns and people will

00:16:56.440 find a way to kill each other they got a stabbing problem and i guess their solution was to ban

00:17:01.400 knives and except for this group and so this group has more leave is the same here pardon

00:17:08.680 i believe that is the same here uh i i think we're allowed to walk down the street with a knife here

00:17:15.400 i think we're small jackknife type stuff yeah i mean if i carried a a long sword on my back

00:17:21.720 i i might i'm probably going to get questioned by the police i'm not sure i don't know what

00:17:25.320 this murder was not done with a long sword it was no you know no one that's supposed to be

00:17:30.440 safe but in britain symbolic indigenous britons are not allowed to carry these uh 0.76

00:17:36.760 seeks are um it actually even other minority groups are not allowed to get them only one

00:17:41.160 specific group is um but where it went really sideways was uh this guy uh murders him or stabs

00:17:51.480 him um which will eventually lead to his death uh multiple times uh nowak calls the police on

00:18:01.400 uh the criminal who stabbed him multiple times the police show up and the and the murderer says

00:18:08.200 uh i didn't stab him but he made racist remarks to me he's a racist he knocked my turban off and

00:18:14.120 said racist things about me and my religion etc and the police say good enough for me uh and and

00:18:22.640 to know what he says i've been stabbed i can't breathe i'm dying and they're like no i'm gonna

00:18:29.780 take this guy's word over it the guy who's not stabbed and they cuff him it's hard to say what

00:18:36.440 his chances of surviving the attack would have been anyway he had null they said yeah autopsy

00:18:41.800 said nil hard to say but it went to zero the instant the police cuffed him they treated him

00:18:48.640 with total lack of dignity and respect they treat he was treated as a criminal in his dying moments

00:18:53.980 um uh instead of a victim in his own country murdered by a guest

00:19:01.280 and uh the british media i mean they're forced now to pay attention to it we're paying attention

00:19:08.940 to this now because the body camera footage has been released and it is so much worse than has

00:19:14.980 been reported by the legacy media the legacy media in canada have been virtually silent on it they've

00:19:19.960 got like a token story kind of hidden away somewhere so they're on the record but it's

00:19:23.620 kind of shuffled and hidden away um compared to literally thousands of stories you'll see on

00:19:29.680 legacy media stuff talk about george floyd even to this day a man who was not innocent a man who

00:19:34.120 was a criminal a man who was on fentanyl when he died uh again should not have died that was a bad

00:19:40.720 thing that happened but a far less sympathetic figure and people burned down cities for him

00:19:46.640 um so i'll go to use first all dave uh you know i guess i guess we got two englanders on the panel

00:19:53.560 But England's not voting its way out of this, are they?

00:20:00.840 No, it's well past that state.

00:20:05.240 The raging debate is the two-tier policing system that automatically elevates immigrants and migrants ahead of Indigenous British people.

00:20:16.500 And when a dying guy says, I've been stabbed, and the cop says, don't think so, mate, they've got his handcuffed, and his hands are behind the back.

00:20:28.380 It was on the front page of every British newspaper today, but his one hand was like pure white because of the blood loss.

00:20:35.740 So there was rioting in Southampton on the English coast last night.

00:20:41.300 All the right-wing British politicians are making hay out of it.

00:20:46.140 Rupert Lowe and Nigel Farage.

00:20:49.480 Farage says there's going to be more violence tonight.

00:20:53.600 You know, is it a tipping point?

00:20:55.840 Probably not.

00:20:57.040 You know, it'll go on for a couple of days.

00:20:58.520 I mean, just look back at the Southport daycare slayings

00:21:03.780 where three little girls were stabbed to death by a migrant.

00:21:06.480 that, you know, flared up for a few days and then then disappeared. So, you know, it's it's as an

00:21:15.860 outsider, as a British guy, you know, I think I can say Britain is lost now. And it's just a matter

00:21:21.740 of time before people do get fed up. And there's some sort of rebellion. Well, that's kind of a

00:21:29.520 nodule. That's where I was kind of going with it is. I don't think England's voting its way out of

00:21:33.360 this anymore. England voted for Brexit in large measure to control migration, and it never

00:21:39.160 happened. Mass migration, legal and illegal, is worse now than it ever was. It's totally out of

00:21:46.260 control because the British establishment doesn't have the stomach to do unpleasant things, and that

00:21:53.100 means sinking boats, putting people back on ships, sending them where they're from, even if they don't

00:21:58.700 want to go back, even if those places don't want them back. Remigration. They don't have a stomach 0.99

00:22:03.620 for it. Britons have voted repeatedly for that in both referenda and in elections, and they still

00:22:10.860 don't get it. And actually, we see the same thing in much of continental Europe. People vote to get

00:22:16.020 this under control, but for some reason, it never gets better. I don't want to sound hyperbolic. I

00:22:25.360 I sound alarmist, but I have a hard time not seeing a future where Britain and most of Europe 0.59

00:22:33.500 outright falls into something unrecognizably non-European, or it descends into some kind of

00:22:41.420 civil war or significant unrest. Some people have compared what could be coming to the troubles

00:22:46.260 of Northern Ireland, but something that is not quite a state of peace. 1.00

00:22:51.820 you cannot overstate that this has been percolating for about 70 years since non-white immigration

00:23:02.260 began in great britain and it began on a very small scale nurses came in from jamaica to help 0.67

00:23:09.460 out with the national health system and they brought their husbands their boyfriends and then

00:23:14.740 other people started coming and people were saying well this is i don't know whether i like this this

00:23:19.620 is changing the nature of the place and a famous politician famous in england anyway by the name of

00:23:25.460 enoch pal wrote a book which he said he saw quoting his you know his latin education tiber

00:23:33.460 flowing with much blood and of course they all descended on him on mass a conservative party

00:23:39.940 expelled him he said he was a terrible man for writing things like that how could you be so

00:23:45.380 racist when just 20 years ago we were at war with racists you know so the problem starts with nobody

00:23:54.660 is prepared to distinguish between racism and the legitimate defense of national identity

00:24:02.900 because there is a difference and powell was right all those years ago anybody who has said

00:24:10.340 what pal since then has been declared wrong by the media of course who just i i i fail to understand

00:24:17.860 why they don't understand it so therefore i assume that they have decided that uh if they've got to

00:24:22.260 pick a side they'll pick a side where they don't get criticized and where the politicians of the

00:24:28.180 day will not accept being called racist by people who have their own agenda for changing the face

00:24:34.980 of britain and so then they knuckle under and this is the kind of thing that happens it is the kind

00:24:41.620 of thing that happens when the three little girls were murdered they write that oh well he was 0.84

00:24:46.020 mentally ill oh well and that's not a migrant issue that's a mental illness politicians leaders

00:24:53.460 won't face up to it and i suspect that in the end the cantankerous nature of british public will

00:25:01.540 assert itself and there will be some kind of violence that changes things i'm not advocating

00:25:06.740 it but if you ignore people for long enough and leave them no other option that is what they will

00:25:11.700 do well that's what happens when democratic legitimate legal means fails when you refuse

00:25:17.460 to allow a legal means to do something that is otherwise legitimate uh you know you essentially

00:25:24.660 are closing of the relief valve on the steam of public pressure and it can eventually blow in

00:25:33.580 ways that are much less pleasant much less legal much less civilized that's what happens um uh you

00:25:41.280 know by contrast you can relieve that by opening it you know cory mentioned you mentioned that

00:25:45.480 we were talking about you know the way the flq was killed in quebec was not necessarily just by

00:25:50.740 rounding them all up. An insurgent organization is extremely difficult to kill just by regular

00:25:56.180 police raids. It was killed by the PQ creating a democratic legitimate outlet for that movement

00:26:05.220 rather than a violent insurgent or insurgency. We've seen, you know, the biggest fear of most

00:26:16.180 politicians. I think most of our lives has been to be called an ist or an ism, a racist, a homophobe, 0.74

00:26:24.160 a transphobe, a Islamophobe, all of these silly, stupid words that perhaps had a meeting at some 1.00

00:26:32.700 point but have long since lost any currency. They've been devalued like a dollar. But we're 1.00

00:26:39.240 seeing an emerging generation of political leaders that are not afraid of being called that anymore.

00:26:46.180 You see it to an extent with Trump. For all his warts, I think that is a strength of him. He doesn't really care when people call him these names. But we saw it from Restore UK party leader Robert Lowe. We saw it from reform party leader Nigel Farage. They don't care.

00:27:07.180 Nigel Farage said, you know, the family called for us, you know, to be calm and not let this

00:27:12.140 divide us. He says, but for the rest of us, we should feel rage. Rage. And I think he

00:27:20.480 captured the zeitgeist right now. But I just don't see, I'm hesitant to think that even if

00:27:31.680 you had a reform UK government or or even a restore UK government at this point that I I'm

00:27:36.900 not sure that there's the state capacity and the will to do what's necessary at this point because 1.00

00:27:42.080 it's it's not a matter of I think just banning kirpins I mean I talked about that as a as a 1.00

00:27:47.380 double standard but that was more emblematic and symbolic than anything else I don't think banning 0.99

00:27:51.800 the kirpin solves this problem because you know it's not just a Sikh migrant problem it is it is 1.00

00:27:57.940 destruction of English and British identity, period. Well, I mean, from outside looking in, 1.00

00:28:03.320 from what I can gather, though, I hate to say it, but it's going to have to get a lot worse before

00:28:06.980 it gets better. And the establishment, the legacy media, constantly berating, I mean, you know,

00:28:14.180 protests that Tommy Robinson held and other things like that, and saying, oh, it was only a small

00:28:17.940 amount of people, or they were all extremists, they're all racists. That doesn't get rid of it.

00:28:22.260 That inflames people further when their concerns are being dismissed, and you're not looking at

00:28:26.180 the underlying cause. And when things descend into a true mob rule, that's really the scary

00:28:30.460 thing. I mean, there's many, you know, UK citizens who are third generation of Indian origin, they 1.00

00:28:35.820 can't speak a word of Hindi, they have no part of the culture anymore. But when you get the mob 0.82

00:28:39.380 going up and down the streets, they don't distinguish that. And a lot of people are

00:28:43.600 going to suffer. I, this has been, you know, the warning shots have been going up in Europe since

00:28:48.500 I think really with the Syrian conflict was kind of that tipping point where it really turned into

00:28:53.220 a flood and still the establishment is is trying to suppress the concerned locals in in the uk and

00:29:00.320 all throughout europe it's just a time bomb yeah i i don't know where it goes this is another thing

00:29:09.280 there's some moral superiority and just saying everybody's welcome we can manage it you are the

00:29:14.500 problem and of course that's not the case well that cultural relativism it's got to stop they're

00:29:19.660 not the same they're not equal and let's just call it out there's some bloody cultures in this world

00:29:24.340 that are stone-aged and we have to stop pretending that we have to embrace these practices and people 0.99

00:29:30.520 who insist on it. Canada's only a few years away from being in the exact same boat. We're not far

00:29:35.380 behind we're not far behind and England is only a couple years behind France. Yeah and look at the

00:29:42.660 destruction in France on the weekend

00:29:45.060 when their soccer team,

00:29:46.920 one of the Champions

00:29:49.060 League, hundreds and hundreds

00:29:50.940 of migrants just rioting. 1.00

00:29:52.920 They use it as an excuse. They're not celebrating

00:29:54.980 the team's win. They're

00:29:56.840 going out to commit crimes and arsons

00:29:58.960 and lootings and, you know, dozens

00:30:01.020 of arrests and stuff like that.

00:30:02.740 So, yeah, I think

00:30:04.320 France may be in worse shape than England.

00:30:08.080 England's

00:30:08.600 only a few years behind France

00:30:10.940 and Canada's only a few years behind England.

00:30:14.200 But I want to talk about the symbolism of what this was.

00:30:18.920 You know, the police there represent the British state,

00:30:22.520 British state authority,

00:30:23.440 and they have the monopoly on legitimate use of violence. 0.93

00:30:27.260 And they, part of me wants to shoot the cops,

00:30:32.960 but I don't think they're necessarily guilty.

00:30:35.600 We don't know these are bad guys.

00:30:37.160 They were following protocol

00:30:38.640 and they are trained their manual show their website show that the most vile thing anyone

00:30:47.380 could ever do is not even to be a racist but be perceived as a racist that's the worst that is the

00:30:54.820 worst crime in our society we have it up there with pedophile in fact and as we show now here

00:30:59.720 it's worse than a murderer and they've been locking up people for facebook posts yeah you

00:31:05.080 The police are very vigorous and going into that.

00:31:06.720 They'll be kicking down your door, hauling you off.

00:31:08.640 You make an off-color joke.

00:31:10.080 You know, Bobby shows up and hauls you off.

00:31:13.180 But you have the representative of the British state and authority here. 0.66

00:31:18.080 And they follow the protocol that is the mere accusation that the indigenous Britain made a racist comment nullifies anything that the migrant did. 0.63

00:31:32.080 did, and makes his very self-evident multiples of serious stab wounds somehow less serious. 0.74

00:31:42.680 And so the symbol of this is that the British authority and state ignore the guest in the

00:31:50.600 country and arrest and oppress the indigenous Britain, who is literally bleeding to death

00:31:59.600 in their hands that someone needs to make this into some kind of renaissance painting 0.96

00:32:07.740 because the symbolism is so strong that it's impossible to ignore and I I think you're right

00:32:15.500 Dave that I don't think it's the tipping point I think there's going to be hundreds or thousands 1.00

00:32:21.100 more of these cases until that tipping point is reached yeah and migrants who have also taken over 1.00

00:32:28.660 major british cities like birmingham is now completely a muslim city muslim run london is 0.77

00:32:34.180 only 33 english yeah exactly and the other thing that uh policemen do is they go down and they take

00:32:40.980 down union jacks they take down the flag of saint george why well because that's going to offend 0.58

00:32:47.300 the uh the non-english people here we don't want uh you know they're they're talking about creating 0.99

00:32:52.980 you know the muslims being afraid of dogs so you're not allowed to walk your dogs and 1.00

00:32:57.540 in parks anymore it's uh it really is completely over the top nobody has yet nobody in government 1.00

00:33:07.460 has yet made the case as to why the british people should accept any of this they have acted as though

00:33:15.940 they should they have demanded that the police apply the law in a certain way which we talk

00:33:22.020 about as the two-tier legal system um but they have never nobody to my knowledge has ever come

00:33:29.060 out and said things have changed around here this is the new look and this is why it is a good thing

00:33:35.380 and that we are doing it oh no they have made the case you get curry i love curry i could make it

00:33:42.340 all the time i order it frequently enough but you get to enjoy multiculturalism and no doubt there's

00:33:48.020 a bunch of it that i enjoy but they're saying this is the price of a multicultural society

00:33:53.300 you've heard that phrase you who actually who actually made that case uh i forget who actually

00:33:58.580 used that term i'm not sure if it's kirsch darmer or if it was actually mom dami um but uh it may

00:34:03.460 have been mom dummy when there was a similar kind of race in new york maybe who knows but but they

00:34:09.300 often say this is the price of a multicultural society uh but it's just an individual you should

00:34:14.980 have a multicultural society because because we are just better because diversity is our strength 0.73

00:34:22.340 yeah which i i can't believe normal people used to parrot crap like that this another word for

00:34:31.220 diversity is disunity i like having different things i mean we're diverse here you guys are 0.71

00:34:36.660 from england you're part jewish it's okay uh but you know you also need things that unite you

00:34:44.660 and a simple economic zone and financial transfers between peoples and regions do not a country make

00:34:51.700 no one ever died for an economic zone people die for family they die for community on different

00:34:58.500 scales it could be a local or it could be a nation people don't die for passport people don't fight

00:35:04.580 and sacrifice because you share a piece of paper in common and and this has just destroyed us

00:35:10.900 everywhere. Not just England, it's destroyed us

00:35:12.720 everywhere. We have no sense of nations anymore.

00:35:15.260 If we still had a sense of nation in Canada,

00:35:16.920 do you think we'd be having a referendum on independence

00:35:19.000 right now? Not a chance.

00:35:24.360 All right.

00:35:26.820 Move on before I say something politically incorrect.

00:35:30.600 All right.

00:35:33.540 So, a good segue.

00:35:35.300 Independence.

00:35:37.820 Corey,

00:35:38.420 you talked about this on your show today.

00:35:40.540 I know Marty up north was talking about on his the other day.

00:35:45.260 Daniel Smith has walked an incredibly skillful tightrope walk on the independence question,

00:35:52.040 going back to her leadership race with the Sovereignty Act,

00:35:54.580 which her critics, I think, are actually quite correct to say it was a wink, wink, nudge, nudge to the movement.

00:36:01.580 It was a brilliant dog whistle to the movement.

00:36:04.720 Worked on me.

00:36:06.220 I think worked to an extent on you. 1.00

00:36:07.420 she's walked this type 1.00

00:36:09.940 she's had this tightrope walk

00:36:11.360 and being largely

00:36:13.780 neutral on it saying well my job as

00:36:15.900 premier is to make Alberta

00:36:17.940 work in Canada but I'm staying

00:36:20.020 out of this referendum politics but people are

00:36:21.860 entitled to the vote and they should have it

00:36:23.660 and you know there's 1.00

00:36:25.800 a lot of zigs and

00:36:27.920 zags getting to whatever this ballot is that we're having

00:36:29.980 but in terms 0.99

00:36:32.020 of her communications she

00:36:33.820 has as of late abandoned

00:36:35.620 neutrality

00:36:36.460 um i think in a large measure due to pressure from politicians mostly outside of alberta 0.99

00:36:43.220 calling she just got sick of being called traitor and they still will so that's that's the idiocy 0.97

00:36:48.480 of this move she's yeah yeah she's not winning those people over they're not coming to her they 0.98

00:36:53.140 were never going to be with her um but she was taking this heat i think she overcorrected and 1.00

00:36:58.140 now she's saying some bizarre things like oh well alberta would have to take its share of the

00:37:04.040 Canadian national debt which to me is one of the best arguments for leaving because that debt goes

00:37:09.260 up by gargantuan amounts every single day every day Alberta delays independence that share of the

00:37:15.140 debt gets bigger and there's zero prospect of it stopping getting bigger uh staying in Canada it's

00:37:20.280 only going to get larger and larger and we still have to own that debt um using wild numbers saying

00:37:26.880 that establishing an independent Alberta would be cost something in the neighborhood of 400 billion

00:37:31.360 dollars like okay so if an independent alberta was planning on buying aircraft carriers to patrol 0.87

00:37:38.540 the you know the south of the scatchewan river she went on the assumption that alberta would

00:37:42.880 join nato and commit 25 billion a year to being a nato member that was part of her speech that

00:37:48.300 was the number she gave out part of that 400 billion like i i still am floored by somebody

00:37:53.080 who's such a communicator who knows these things who went on a tirade that lukasic would have

00:37:57.900 blushed over it was crazy and and again i i've said it in my own show i don't expect her to become

00:38:03.720 a an independent supporter or to campaign on that but to go way over on this and inflame that's what

00:38:11.840 i'm most well second most worried about i'm an independent supporter i want to see i don't think

00:38:16.400 she turned anybody away from supporting independence by doing that but she inflamed them and they're

00:38:21.480 going to turn at her yeah and that's where we've seen many a time what happens in conservative

00:38:26.400 parties, when you get, and I'm talking the volunteer class of the party, not just the

00:38:31.480 independent space. We're talking the busy bees, the ones who do sell memberships, the ones who do

00:38:36.100 show up at meetings, the ones who will campaign. 7,000 of them went out to do that petitioning,

00:38:41.240 and they've swallowed a lot of gall, getting this watered down, mushy, non-committal answer. And

00:38:46.560 then to have her seem to turn fully against them, I just see some very politically dangerous moves 0.88

00:38:52.940 on the part of the premier right now she should really when she first said that balancing act

00:38:57.500 saying it's my job to make sure a yes vote doesn't happen she wasn't saying to ban a referendum

00:39:02.300 she was saying if we do things right we can change things from within and people won't feel they have

00:39:06.540 to vote yes that's fair enough that was fine but that means get a pension plan get a police force

00:39:12.380 get a collector on taxes and she hasn't done a bloody thing and now people have said enough

00:39:15.900 we're sick of waiting i just i yeah i'm getting crabby because i've been very supportive of her

00:39:20.060 for a long time yeah and she's crossing a line now so if i'm getting this crabby what are the

00:39:25.180 other ones getting yeah you know uh you know we've had um uh independent supporters who i think uh

00:39:34.480 you know have at times i don't think been reasonable you know they they were so angry

00:39:39.660 over this referendum question that they called for launching a second front during a referendum

00:39:45.360 campaign to take danielle smith out of the leadership and you and i have both been very

00:39:48.680 critical of that strategy still we were talking about like it's like a schlieffen plan except it

00:39:53.560 wasn't a plan they just did schlieffen when the war's already started it's not a good idea um i've

00:40:00.280 been critical of that but by inserting herself as a another advocate on the other side actively

00:40:09.160 campaigning they're kind of giving them some ammo that they should come after it's hard to counter 0.97

00:40:15.960 those who have been calling for her head on a 0.83

00:40:17.920 pike. I've been trying, as I said, for months to cool 0.55

00:40:19.880 them down, and then Premier Smith just goes

00:40:21.960 and proves them right on a whole bunch of fronts.

00:40:23.980 Well, I think you guys

00:40:26.000 are overreacting. She said

00:40:27.820 a couple weeks ago she's proudly Canadian,

00:40:30.460 proudly Albertan, and she will

00:40:31.840 do everything she can to keep the

00:40:33.880 province in a

00:40:35.880 sovereign Alberta within Canada.

00:40:38.300 That's what she said.

00:40:40.900 She's outright 0.99

00:40:41.700 campaigning.

00:40:43.520 She's doing what she said she was

00:40:45.780 going to do well she also said she gives a pension plan and a police force and well then you guys

00:40:50.360 release some of your figures yeah that they are the figures are out there you've read your articles

00:40:55.960 you've edited but why you need somebody a leader to to be out there and hold a press conference

00:41:02.980 the day after smith does this that that absolute conference and refute it that absolute lack on

00:41:09.180 the part of the independence movement is very valid uh you know where was the counterpoint

00:41:13.520 where was the press release where is the leader well they're all busy i don't know what the heck

00:41:16.980 they're doing with each other inside the app but it's not campaigning uh but that's what i mean is

00:41:21.980 is i'm just i'm honestly speaking with the crabbiness i am about smith sinking herself

00:41:27.220 with this though i mean that that's the thing they are disorganized but they'll point towards

00:41:30.840 a target and there's 7 000 little workers who might work towards it as long as her as long as

00:41:35.760 her poll numbers continue the way they are and that she continues to thrash and then she i think

00:41:41.200 she's safe i i don't like i i've i've predicted uh for a long time that she's going to be the

00:41:46.560 first alberta conservative premier to finish a term since ralph klein 2005 i really hope she does

00:41:53.080 yeah but what she's setting herself up for now is that if the independent side of the referendum

00:42:00.720 fails they're going to be angry they're still they'll probably be fairly organized by then

00:42:06.240 and they're going to turn around for someone to blame and it's going to be her kenny was always

00:42:12.840 the enemy lukazic was always the enemy nancy was always the enemy and there's no sense of betrayal

00:42:17.180 from these guys there because they've always been over there when smith was seen as if not their

00:42:22.000 ally at least someone who understands them and will be okay and stay out of the fight uh but by 0.85

00:42:27.000 making herself an active combatant and peddling some pretty bunky numbers 400 billion dollars 1.00

00:42:34.560 Fine. If we're going to build aircraft carriers, yeah, maybe then it costs that. 1.00

00:42:38.920 But there was a University of Alberta economist said she was under, you know, under your, I mean, more than four hundred and seventy billion of what she claimed in that number was assuming part of a debt.

00:42:50.000 Well, that's assuming we don't have the debt if we stay within Canada. These are liabilities we already have on our books.

00:42:55.120 I think I'm with Dave on this one. 1.00

00:42:59.600 What Smith wants, her critics want a revolution. 1.00

00:43:05.480 They want a revolutionary confrontation and they want her to lead it.

00:43:09.300 She's not there. 0.65

00:43:10.180 She's pursuing an evolutionary assertion of provincial rights, 0.99

00:43:14.940 trying to keep the economy going, trying to keep the federal government at bay. 0.99

00:43:21.580 She's consistently pushed back on firearms, on health care.

00:43:27.120 Yesterday's announcement is a perfect example. 0.96

00:43:29.860 Immigration resources. 0.69

00:43:32.080 Like, sure, it's not hard to go out and raise the bonnie blue flag and say, follow me.

00:43:37.880 But follow where to?

00:43:40.320 What happens next? 0.99

00:43:41.720 But she's relied on independent supporters for her support. 0.99

00:43:44.820 They put her in the premier chair.

00:43:45.940 she knows that and if she is if she says what she says and realizes that that's what she's going to 0.84

00:43:51.540 lose so be it she's a smart woman she will make that uh but it may not that may not be the equation

00:43:57.540 because if um if you're a federalist and you want somebody to back are you gonna back a somebody

00:44:06.380 like mr nenshi who inspires no confidence in anything whatsoever or are you going to say well

00:44:11.440 I don't particularly like Danielle Smith, but I'm going to go with her on this one because I actually favor staying in Canada.

00:44:18.400 She may not be wrong.

00:44:19.520 But among the conservative possible voter universe in Alberta, because you're not going to get diehard socialists to vote for Danielle Smith because Danielle Smith stood on the federal left side.

00:44:29.600 They're going to stay with the NDP, which is unified on the issue.

00:44:33.560 You have within all potential, among committed and potential conservative voters in Alberta.

00:44:39.400 so call that at its maximum 60 percent two-thirds of those people roughly speaking are independent

00:44:46.800 supporters and then you and it's even more so when you break it down into active party members

00:44:51.000 people who actually go and go to board meetings knock on doors you know donate 20 bucks here and

00:44:56.300 there um she needs to be prepared that if she's going to be an active combatant on the other side

00:45:02.960 of this issue from them that they're going to come for for her and cory and i have you know 1.00

00:45:09.020 been telling these guys simmer down clear your engines this is a stupid strategy when you're 0.97

00:45:14.280 trying to fight the referendum but if she inserts herself there i still don't think it'd be a smart 0.97

00:45:18.140 idea to try and take her out at the same time still isn't but that's what i mean she's yeah 0.86

00:45:22.020 but she's setting herself up that after the referendum win or lose they're then gonna come 1.00

00:45:28.640 for her. I think you're too close

00:45:30.760 to the next election after the referendum.

00:45:32.940 Nope.

00:45:34.580 The way the UCB 0.81

00:45:36.580 Constitution is designed, the constituency

00:45:38.780 associations, about a quarter of the constituency

00:45:40.580 associations, 22

00:45:42.400 can pass a resolution demanding a special general

00:45:44.540 meeting, essentially recall them. That's

00:45:46.660 what got the leadership

00:45:48.580 vote against Kenny. They could do

00:45:50.600 that to her too.

00:45:52.240 Sure, with a few months left until the next

00:45:54.580 election. Well, they might be that self-destructive

00:45:56.480 if they're that mad we're not talking about good tactics we're talking about an enraged core of 0.99

00:46:00.780 worker bees and they might do something stupid yeah uh just realize uh getting the flag we're 0.98

00:46:06.720 actually out of time so uh too bad we were having a good i think we're we're riffing here all right 0.98

00:46:12.320 uh parting shots quick uh red deer rcmp released a risk uh last release today on a high risk

00:46:22.280 defender, a child 0.58

00:46:24.380 pedophile

00:46:26.080 who was being released into the area after

00:46:28.280 serving his jail term. And the line in

00:46:30.340 the release struck me that said, RCMP

00:46:32.540 expect him to commit a crime

00:46:34.200 again against a child.

00:46:36.400 Then why the hell is this guy out on the street?

00:46:39.140 You know, we don't have

00:46:40.440 to deal with parole if we just

00:46:42.380 throw him in the wood chipper.

00:46:44.500 Alright, just Legacy Media announced

00:46:46.460 that we're in a technical recession.

00:46:48.460 That's like saying we're half

00:46:50.520 pregnant, we're in a recession.

00:46:52.280 And to that point, Mr. Carney was explaining that we're in a recession because immigration has slowed down.

00:47:02.500 And we're not spending as much government money.

00:47:04.700 And furthermore, so that just goes to the point that we've been making for years, that anything that looked like growth in Canada in the last five years was just irresponsible use of immigration to pad the numbers.

00:47:16.300 He's just said it himself.

00:47:18.320 All right.

00:47:18.780 All right.

00:47:19.180 No, we're out of time.

00:47:20.180 So none for me. 0.84

00:47:20.860 i'll just second what nigel said all right nigel cory dave john of production thank you

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Western Standard - June 04, 2026

Smith’s leadership gets wobbly

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