Western Standard - SNP8 Eva Chipiuk - The Public Order Emergency Commission

00:00:00.000 good evening and welcome to the sean newman show on the western standard now today we are talking

00:00:16.720 the public order emergency emergency commission and once again it is a mouthful uh i'm joined

00:00:23.120 tonight by eva chipiak and i hope i said that right eva she is a lawyer obviously representing 0.82

00:00:28.720 a whole vast different group of people here and uh i appreciate you giving me some of your time

00:00:34.140 thank you my pleasure you were almost there it's eva

00:00:37.140 she says to me off off air she goes it's like forever eva i'm like okay eva eva man i still

00:00:44.980 can't get it anyways i got the last name right give me some credit here 100 excellent with that

00:00:49.680 one um now i've been uh uh as you heard this is the eighth episode so we've kind of done a couple

00:00:56.620 different iterations on the round table format for the western standard and then the podcast

00:01:00.380 and so the first couple listeners will recall there was three people in then two and now i've

00:01:06.680 done a string of just one-on-one like i would on the podcast just to you know give it a little

00:01:10.020 different flavor see what the listener wants what they enjoy that type of thing so i call it kicking

00:01:14.140 it old school as if it is old school because i've been doing it for 300 episodes but i'm going to

00:01:17.900 have you introduce yourself i want you to to tell us who uh and i'm i'm going to say it terrible

00:01:23.560 again eva eva you got it this second time eva you know on a side note have you ever seen uh wally

00:01:33.400 yeah so no i haven't and everyone always mentions it okay well i'll be i'll be with the 1001 person

00:01:39.720 to bring it up either way um i'm curious uh who is eva well thanks for having me um my name is eva

00:01:46.520 chypiak and uh i'm from edmonton alberta i'm a lawyer um kind of this is my third time back to

00:01:52.200 law actually so not a very common thing for practicing lawyers but i do find that i've

00:01:58.600 always been really interested in um kind of the david and goliath fight so i in alberta i was

00:02:05.400 often for a long time representing land owners against large development and or um government

00:02:12.520 taking land rights from people farmers generally sometimes city dwellers as well um and i just

00:02:19.720 really enjoyed like standing up for the little guy uh and that kind of slowed down as things did

00:02:26.280 with the oil and gas and i took a break from law and then covet came along and government mandates

00:02:32.200 and restrictions really came out in full force as we know um and i was able to get a position with

00:02:39.400 the justice center so fighting instead of property rights but personal rights and freedoms on behalf

00:02:44.600 of individuals against overreach and massive now overreach that we've never experienced before

00:02:52.360 from government so it's been really interesting again a bit new to the constitutional area but

00:02:57.480 always i've been always very interested and keen to work on behalf of the little guy against big

00:03:06.120 fat government did i catch in there eva that you said you took a break from law did i catch that 1.00

00:03:12.760 right two you took two breaks from law yeah my this is my third time back to law so i could just

00:03:19.480 get right into it um i started practicing law in alberta in edmonton um i was diagnosed with

00:03:27.720 pancreatic cancer which and everything is good now so i don't really dwell on it and i'm also

00:03:33.640 a fighter so no big deal there but i just decided maybe i should travel the world and teach yoga

00:03:40.120 for a while because that seems like a fun thing to do so i did it for about four years i actually

00:03:46.280 ended back at the same office i was practicing at before you traveled the world for four years

00:03:51.960 teaching yoga right sure did when you look yeah i mean like can you imagine people the the the

00:03:57.480 lifestyle change of going to the courthouse and dealing with reading and blah blah blah blah you

00:04:01.880 get that point to getting diagnosed with pancreatic cancer to now going traveling the world for four

00:04:08.440 years you know what it's it's a broad question but what sticks out about those four years like what

00:04:13.000 did you like that sounds pretty freaking cool and probably a lot of people would love to do

00:04:17.480 something like that but they never take the leap if yeah well you know i encourage people to take

00:04:25.960 the leap and that was something i heard right away people are like well what if you want to practice

00:04:30.920 again or this or that what if what if what if lots of what if questions and i just figured you know

00:04:37.320 i have five years under my belt of practicing and working i didn't have five years before uh you

00:04:44.040 know if you're good enough somebody should be able to hire you and funny enough i was back in the same

00:04:49.960 office i left four years before with some of the same files that were still there four years before

00:04:57.720 so there is an indication of like take a chance uh enjoy your life you might end up in the same

00:05:04.680 office you uh left and then the second time i actually decided to open a yoga studio and a

00:05:11.880 healthy food cafe terrible timing because it was just under two years before the coveted restrictions

00:05:18.760 so that and that dream ended very quickly and then i got back into law and i said well government

00:05:25.640 you're gonna close down my business so i'll come back after you wow that's uh that's quite the

00:05:30.600 journey i gotta be honest uh you know um you have a very interesting perspective then when you uh

00:05:36.920 you know when you showed up in ottawa and i'm talking about go back to uh february late january

00:05:42.680 uh for the convoy you have a very interesting perspective then on what you've been uh seeing

00:05:48.520 and hearing and people you've been dealing with i mean you represent some of the biggest names

00:05:53.720 in canada right now um your time in ottawa the first time around what sticks out to you from then

00:06:01.400 um that you're privy to say i have no idea about uh what you're what you can and cannot say but

00:06:06.840 what going back to there because you know one of the things that really embedded in my head

00:06:12.280 was i do this i come on and i talk about what i see and then you go watch the cbc and you go

00:06:17.320 what on earth are they doing right and honestly listen to some of the cops like it's like they

00:06:21.880 never turned off cbc and went and saw for themselves you know and so it's it's really

00:06:26.600 interesting to follow along because it's kind of like the same thing over again but you know you'd

00:06:30.360 have a different purview than most people very few i would argue what sticks out about your first go

00:06:35.800 around with the the freedom convoy well you know it was such a whirlwind we got hired um and were

00:06:44.200 in ottawa in less than 24 hours and that kind of pace did not stop the whole time we were here

00:06:50.920 and i guess the one comment uh so much sticks out and we could talk about this for hours

00:06:57.080 but one thing you know and you you alluded to it is what the police officers have been saying for

00:07:02.760 the last uh week and a half i just want to reinforce to your viewers that from the moment

00:07:10.360 we were here and uh dealing with our clients we realized very quickly that they had been in

00:07:17.720 connection and negotiations and discussions with police every single day many times a day

00:07:26.020 people were talking to police all the time and that's where I'm really seeing now there was

00:07:32.780 this crazy breakdown because here they are in good faith talking to the police making their

00:07:39.900 best efforts to do whatever you know the police is asking them to do and then we hear from now

00:07:46.380 everything that was happening on the other side of the conversation, the infighting between

00:07:51.600 different police authorities, intel that comes from the CBC or CTV, rather than the senior OPP

00:08:00.800 officer for Ontario. Just a lot of, and them not being happy with the city negotiating with the

00:08:08.280 protesters, because I think they wanted to be in on it. But when you were, when we were on the ground,

00:08:15.540 everyone was just preoccupied about safety, about making sure that there's nothing sinister going

00:08:23.780 on, that there's no criminal activities going on. In fact, they were on the lookout to see if,

00:08:28.740 oh, there's something on Facebook that is looking a little bit, you know, let's keep an eye on this

00:08:35.300 and alerting the police to it. So that's one thing that really sticks out is the amount of

00:08:42.820 communication every day multiple times a day with the police and then hearing

00:08:50.020 what was going on on the other side of that conversation well you have uh once again i

00:08:55.620 appreciate you giving me some of your thoughts on the on the convoy but now i mean like day 10

00:08:59.780 you know as we sit here it has been you know somewhere around the the 90 hours of testimony

00:09:06.580 roughly i mean give or take right and so for the average person they're going how on earth can i

00:09:12.020 I stay up to date on that. That's why I love doing these because it kind of brings people from

00:09:15.620 Ottawa to they're sitting there listening to it all and paying attention, the opportunity to bring

00:09:19.980 people way up to speed. Because, you know, I was talking to actually Sheila Gunn-Reed from Rebel

00:09:24.420 News last night on one of the podcast episodes. And I was saying, like, somebody asked, why you

00:09:32.260 got her coming on? I'm like, well, you know, there's this commission going on in Ottawa.

00:09:36.280 Oh, what's that? And I was like, oh, boy. Now, I'm not chastising anyone, right? People are

00:09:42.000 busy back to life they got things going on things are open up kids in hockey I can list off a thousand

00:09:46.560 things but one of the the you know the the hills to climb so to speak is it's tough to keep up

00:09:53.280 because there's like a ton of witness testimony in 10 days you've been sitting there paying attention

00:09:59.340 what's uh what's stuck out to you so far that people back home should know well you know that

00:10:06.240 it's been a lot of the same rhetoric from the politicians that we saw giving evidence. So that

00:10:13.520 didn't really change even with hindsight and time to have a sober thought about what was going on.

00:10:20.480 So it was the same kind of rhetoric about violence and volatility and all of that stuff. They just

00:10:28.800 need to keep going with that narrative i guess um but what we have seen is incredible insight

00:10:37.280 from the most credible police authority i believe that we've seen so far the opp so the auto ontario

00:10:44.080 police force and their intelligence agencies and how they identified that there was no credible

00:10:52.160 threat so here we are we're here to talk about the emergencies act and whether or not it was

00:10:59.040 justified to invoke it and i can count on my one hand how many times though you the word

00:11:08.240 overthrowing of government has been used in the last 10 days how many times the word terrorism

00:11:14.720 has been used in the last 10 days it is i'm pretty sure zero and that is why we are here

00:11:24.560 so if the emergencies act was invoked because of noise and bouncy castles the federal government

00:11:30.480 has a very big problem and what i want to alert your viewers to yeah it's been a long 10 days

00:11:35.680 but in the next week it looks like the protesters finally have a chance to tell their story and for

00:11:41.120 the truth to come out and i want to go back to your last question when you said i don't know what

00:11:45.120 you're privy to say there we have nothing to hide the protesters and us as lawyers everything we

00:11:53.200 want the truth to come out uh we're very happy to share the story and we're very um keen to have

00:11:59.920 that televised on national television and for canadians to see what the protesters did what

00:12:07.520 efforts they made like i said dealing with police negotiating with the city and really being the

00:12:13.360 adults in the room is how i would put it you know i got a lot of people that i'm very interested to

00:12:18.080 see as much as i want to see the cops dance and you know the politicians say whatever the politicians

00:12:22.240 are going to say um to have tamara up there to have chris up there to have tom up there

00:12:26.480 to have dan bulford up there you know these are people that i got to meet no some of them have

00:12:31.280 been on the show majority of them been on the show and so it's it'll be very interesting for

00:12:36.000 for it to be live broadcast to the world to see what they have to say.

00:12:40.740 Because I think for, you know, as we know on this side,

00:12:43.620 for so long what they were saying was like kept off, you know?

00:12:49.100 I wouldn't be surprised if a blackout came that day

00:12:51.160 just so that it doesn't get to air.

00:12:52.880 But, you know, there's so many testimonies that what are they going to do,

00:12:54.940 just black it out?

00:12:56.480 I mean, at the end of the day, it'll be really cool for those people

00:13:00.100 to have an opportunity to stand in front of, you know, Canada, so to speak.

00:13:05.180 and I think it's good for the listeners to know that's coming up uh hopefully shortly when when

00:13:09.740 will we know when the list is like these are the names or the order sorry yeah well you know I

00:13:15.060 we had anticipated getting it earlier and I can't blame the commission on this entirely

00:13:20.460 and that we've made this public is we wanted uh the preliminary list that is on the website is

00:13:27.040 that it's preliminary and we've requested the commission to have more protesters um

00:13:34.560 more from our side more evidence from our side and more witnesses from our side to be called

00:13:39.800 so that's you know i think they've been negotiating that along with the long days um so i and well

00:13:46.840 we're going to have to know sometime this week what's happening but definitely our story is

00:13:51.680 coming out next week well that'll be something for listeners to pay attention to as if once again if

00:13:57.140 you're listening to the podcast just check the show notes the link to where you can go watch it

00:14:00.260 is sitting in there and i encourage everybody to go watch some of it now you said i think keep going

00:14:06.800 with the narrative you're talking about the cops you know they just keep going with the narrative

00:14:09.860 and i'm wondering when does it end like it does at some point can they just be like actually you

00:14:15.080 know yeah they get caught in so many like what yeah that's right yeah there was no uh danger

00:14:21.540 there was no provocation of needing the emergencies act etc etc or does the narrative play out for the

00:14:27.580 next you know four weeks or whatever time we have left well no so i did say the politicians are

00:14:33.700 continuing the narrative we've seen some senior um municipal uh you know workers um really high

00:14:43.020 level that were very truthful very forthcoming that saying that the protesters that they dealt

00:14:50.260 with our clients were very reasonable and understood that they did not come here to impact

00:14:54.420 Ottawa residents and wanted to do something to reduce those impacts. And so that's why we were

00:15:00.980 able to very quickly come to an agreement with the mayor about moving the trucks to Wellington.

00:15:08.200 So there was very good evidence there where we are constantly hearing that the protesters were

00:15:14.060 unreasonable and just looking to overthrow the government. So the narrative has changed. And

00:15:21.160 then what you do see as well is from some police officers, you could see the truth, uh, loud and

00:15:28.200 clear. So I would encourage you to look at OPP superintendent Pat Morris's evidence, and he is

00:15:34.920 the top intelligence man for all of Ontario. So the top brass, um, Ottawa would be under him.

00:15:42.980 Um, so there you heard insanely credible evidence where he actually said the lack of violent, um,

00:15:50.720 offenses was shocking in that small amount of time with so many people. What do you see on after

00:15:59.200 Stanley Cup win? Lots of charges, lots of crazy. Here we didn't see that. There was evidence that

00:16:07.460 Brendan Miller put forward, even to Steve Bell. And Steve Bell was one, unfortunately, had to keep

00:16:13.540 playing that narrative. And we're thinking probably he's getting some kind of advisory position

00:16:18.120 because he was playing that dance and it was put to him that in 16 days there were five

00:16:24.520 offenses and yet out of his mouth he kept saying that this was very volatile and hour by hour

00:16:32.600 it was escalating and then you see those numbers so you know fact over fiction is what we're really

00:16:40.300 seeing and then he when when he was questioned and pressed on that violence he had to say well

00:16:48.140 it wasn't actual violence it was the violence that the community felt

00:16:58.460 yeah it was that's the reaction people had in the room too well i told the story maybe to tom i

00:17:07.420 I can't remember now my I was saying that ever ever before we we started this that I've been

00:17:13.460 battling a cold and I swear my brain is just not firing all cylinders I'm not supposed to admit

00:17:17.880 that on air but dang it I'm like trying really hard here and at times it's just is like where

00:17:23.520 am I going anyways one of the things that I got told and I told the other day yeah laugh I hope

00:17:28.680 everybody's chuckling at me that's that's totally fine this is how we roll here I know a guy from

00:17:34.380 Lloyd here who went there with his family and it was uh he got there I believe for the last day or

00:17:39.480 two and then drove around downtown after it was all gone and he was telling his kids look at all

00:17:44.580 the windows like there's nothing there's no broken windows anywhere and I mean you talk about uh

00:17:50.460 after a Stanley Cup championship or Stanley Cup loss in Vancouver's history you know uh look at

00:17:57.000 the damage and destruction that comes and you know I I think that's been shown over and over and over

00:18:02.320 it again uh about how how peaceful it was and i would even take it you know i talked i tell the

00:18:09.660 the story about going out on like the second or third night because i heard antifa was going to

00:18:14.020 be running around the streets and causing havoc and whatever else and so i finally got up the

00:18:17.880 courage because i'm thinking i don't want to run into those folks and i walk out the door

00:18:21.280 and within the first like 50 steps i ran into a family of five the kids were you know seven five

00:18:27.300 three or you know get the point handing candy bags out to the trekkers and i'm like man stop

00:18:31.600 listening to everybody else go out and experience it because what happened there was you know and

00:18:36.460 i'll keep saying it one of the most peaceful things i wasn't there the entire time i trust

00:18:40.940 people such as yourself and others who were there right to the end that uh well and i've interviewed

00:18:45.760 um spencer boats a trucker from saskatchewan who was there one of the last trucks removed right and

00:18:50.540 he said talked about it it's amazing that nobody threw a punch that nobody got hauled off for you

00:18:55.960 know whatever and he's like what is that oh man that's pretty incredible well it was because they

00:19:01.300 what they were there for and they were there to end mandates and how's that going to help your

00:19:05.940 goal if you're throwing punches and one thing i do want to mention is i've been getting a lot

00:19:11.460 of statements recently from area residents and people brutally beat up by the police

00:19:18.500 getting quite a bit of stories from you know people across canada and today i was reading

00:19:25.220 a statement from an ottawa resident who lives not five minutes from where the commission is

00:19:29.700 so very close to the protest and i was reading her statement and she said that the only acts of

00:19:36.020 assault she saw was assault on the trucks so that was egg throwing and slashing of tires

00:19:43.940 never any violence from the protesters to ottawa residents and then of course the police uh brutality

00:19:52.100 that started after the emergencies act was invoked so exactly goes to that but even you know even

00:19:58.500 with protesters being instigated also didn't raise the temperature they remained cool again they were

00:20:08.020 there for one reason and one reason only was to end mandates yeah it's still i mean having a reason

00:20:15.940 everything but even tom talked about it last time he's on he said like at one point i just had to

00:20:19.620 walk away because i could feel my training coming up and i was starting to boil and i recognized it

00:20:24.580 it and I walked away and I kind of got myself back together and and then came back and you think

00:20:28.960 Tom ain't the only one there that could have could have fired some things up so to speak

00:20:33.480 there was a lot of burly men and a lot of women that I wouldn't want to meet you know on the 0.85

00:20:39.140 wrong side of them either right and I mean that in the best way possible there was just a lot of

00:20:43.180 people there for a purpose and maybe that's you know all you needed because you watch some of

00:20:48.800 the videos you you see some of what went on towards the very end and you know and then you

00:20:53.200 just hear different people talk about walking around there and seeing the lack of damage done

00:20:57.440 actually you know it's the complete opposite you know the streets in my opinion were cleaner

00:21:02.060 when you know after like day three of being there than they probably ever have been since

00:21:06.380 the construction you know like it was just wild i had one cop tell me you know it's a day like two

00:21:12.420 and he was uh up close to parliament and he said um you know uh yeah you guys be gone here in a

00:21:18.900 couple days and whatever this is just no different and i was like oh you think so okay and he's like

00:21:23.180 But I'll tell you one thing. I've never seen protesters clean up after themselves. And I give Andrew a ton of credit on here because he was the first guy that I know of that was going out at like one in the morning with garbage bags and cleaning everything up and making sure. Right. And that just spread. People see that and it spreads and it's super cool to watch and see. And obviously, you've seen that all firsthand from, you know, for the last six months. I mean, it's it's been a pretty cool, interesting group to have been around, I assume.

00:21:51.060 Yeah, definitely. So I talked a bit about the violence and lack of violence, excuse me, and aggression. But then the other thing, and I think you kind of touched on it, is the diversity of people. And that's something, you know, it seems like the people in OPS at least couldn't wrap their heads around it because they were trying to profile the protesters.

00:22:14.680 And they said, we've never seen anything like it.

00:22:17.920 It was grandparents and families and aunts and uncles and former police officers.

00:22:24.600 It's like, yeah, these are everyday Canadians of diverse backgrounds and diverse ages coming together because they all have a shared understanding and want to express to their own government that you have gone too far now.

00:22:43.780 and that's something as well that really is and I think the narrative is slowly changing finally

00:22:51.420 and in fact we hope to have some evidence come in next week where some people from minority groups

00:22:59.520 and I've heard this from various now that this is the first time that they felt kind of like a true

00:23:07.780 reconciliation in canada we're really every we all talk about it that has been there it felt so

00:23:14.420 joyous so loving so caring so kind so like truly what we want is canadians diversity it was there

00:23:20.520 it was available and it was felt by the people there and um you know i really hope that we're

00:23:27.560 able to get that message and that truth out next week as well well for the listeners i got chris

00:23:32.800 barber coming on next week um you know barring any incident and um he would recall it but he

00:23:38.500 would have had a heck of a view uh being at the front but there was and i can't remember the place

00:23:42.880 so i apologize to the community but there was a first nations community along the highway going

00:23:47.500 out uh where the convoy literally crept along at like i don't even know was it a mile an hour people

00:23:53.860 were just walking on the road and giving food and bawling their eyes out and like you can't unsee

00:23:58.020 that stuff you just can't and uh i agree with that that even for me i hear a ton of people

00:24:05.620 who say you know like i was kind of ready to be done with canada you know like i'm just i don't

00:24:12.420 feel canadian i don't see and you know and and you always try and be tripper about it yeah but we're

00:24:16.740 canadian and then you saw that go and how all the different people came out because it wasn't you

00:24:22.500 know you talk about profile like i don't i did like eight convoy episodes where i interviewed

00:24:27.380 different cars and semis and everything. And it was like you say, from four college kids jammed

00:24:33.500 in a car. And I'm like, where are you sleeping? To a married couple in a semi to a dad taking his

00:24:37.480 three kids to on and on and on it went. And that was the entire convoy. It was it was something to

00:24:43.320 behold. And I hope well, and certainly you're gonna have my eyes drawn to it next week. Because

00:24:49.420 with with people that I've met and interviewed and everything else, and I certainly think they

00:24:54.500 need their time to talk. I think that's going to be some primetime television, if you will,

00:24:59.440 for Canada, maybe the world. Yeah. Yeah. And then we're really here because of the federal

00:25:06.140 government's decision to invoke the act. So let's not forget about that. What we've seen so far is

00:25:10.660 kind of setting the stage on a local level. You know, Ottawa and police authorities, what they're

00:25:16.920 understanding their actions in response, then the protesters. And then following that is going to be

00:25:23.260 the federal government's reasoning for invoking the act. And honestly, that's where I really don't

00:25:31.800 know what they're going to be bringing to the table, because we've now heard from what the

00:25:35.500 intelligence was in Ontario. So this is what this was a transcript I saw, I hope of Trudeau from the

00:25:44.840 19th. So it said these illegal occupations were a real problem, not just for the residents of Ottawa

00:25:50.040 and people across the country but for our economy and the well-being of our democracy we did what

00:25:54.120 we had in uh had to in a responsible way yeah and do you agree with that last we did what we had to

00:26:01.800 in a responsible way no not at all and a lot of and this is one thing i meant to mention before

00:26:07.000 um lots of the police officers to date have been saying that they could have done what they did

00:26:13.480 with the authority they had at the time like there's a lot like how did the coots border get

00:26:17.800 cleared up how did the windsor border get cleared up you know you arrest people you move them away

00:26:22.760 they it was just a lack of resources and many now have said and brenda lucky we haven't had a chance

00:26:29.480 to um examine her yet but there is an email that says exactly that we have we have not exhausted

00:26:36.840 all options yet we don't need basically the emergencies act yet that came up yesterday in

00:26:42.600 evidence the email um but many i don't think not one police officer has said they've kind of been

00:26:49.480 on you know a little bit gray but not one has said we needed the emergencies act in order to

00:26:55.960 um deal with the protest which i think is good for people to hear um i uh we've pretty much covered

00:27:01.560 off a bunch of this but i i think it's also good for people here uh have they had any proof of

00:27:06.680 foreign actors or that uh they had any documentation of that because that was a huge

00:27:11.560 thing that it was a collusion with i mean just uh you can write anyone a donkey absolutely right 0.63

00:27:17.800 has any of that has any of that been brought forward so again back to opp superintendent and

00:27:22.920 this is uh intelligence superintendent for all of ontario top top guy for um intelligence in ontario

00:27:31.880 he actually spoke to that and he said there was no credible information about that about violent

00:27:38.600 extremists no credible information and then if you hear the government of canada's lawyers

00:27:44.360 cross-examining him after it was a little bit like grasping at straws but what about a lone actor

00:27:51.320 and wouldn't that yeah and he said that is a possibility that's always a possibility but

00:27:57.000 you can't prevent that from happening and so you know the all those all those um false narratives

00:28:05.160 were disproven and he actually spoke about how the media's um perpetuation of the misinformation

00:28:12.760 caused problems with them being able to act on the real information you know that's once again

00:28:20.200 i i love having uh somebody who's sitting right there having to pay attention to uh testimonies

00:28:25.560 and different things when you talk about pat morris um what do you recall what data is because

00:28:31.320 if people want they can go in the show notes they can click on the website and they can go exactly

00:28:36.280 to the day and go listen to them and i can send them directly there because i think as you keep

00:28:40.680 talking eva like it's becoming very clear that they need to go listen and watch that one uh

00:28:48.440 examination for you know the hour or two or longer that it is i'm looking at my tick tock because

00:28:54.040 i'm trying to do a daily oh yeah so day five day five you know a little update would that be

00:29:01.160 something they get they get uh chris barber up there and they're like well your tick tock shows

00:29:06.440 and you're like that's where we've come to in society as well you know and i think that's the

00:29:10.600 beautiful part with like i said with our story with the protester story is basically everything

00:29:16.280 was documented especially somebody like chris barber he was doing two three five ten tick tocks

00:29:21.960 a day like he has not much to hide at all and i really mean he has nothing to hide he broadcasted

00:29:30.440 to half a million people saw some of his tiktoks at the time so you know if they just play his

00:29:37.320 tiktok one after the other that that's his evidence but i guess we'll see what what they

00:29:42.600 will be asking him of course there's you know background details that we'll get into the weeds

00:29:48.120 about but yeah well they're gonna they're gonna try and build the story about him being an extremist

00:29:52.600 or or whatever you know they try and do the thing is when i came into this or i'm gonna cut you off 0.68

00:29:58.760 there i thought there was gonna be a bigger challenge with that but like i said back to opp

00:30:04.680 officer morris who was my favorite person to hear he he got rid of that so they would have identified

00:30:12.520 for example chris barber as somebody that is a person of interest they did not

00:30:20.840 so they can't make up this evidence now isn't that wild

00:30:26.520 yes like when you when you think about that this little podcast had chris barber as a man of

00:30:34.280 interest you know i would say he wasn't a man of interest that's the crazy part i i understand but

00:30:40.680 But, like, people out here knew that he was a man of interest.

00:30:43.880 I mean, like, I interviewed him.

00:30:45.020 He was a great human being.

00:30:46.080 I don't mean to say that he had this great plot.

00:30:47.920 I just mean to say that how is it a small-time little podcaster

00:30:51.620 and others can be like, Chris Barber?

00:30:54.760 Yeah, yeah, I'd like Chris.

00:30:56.260 And the police, you know, all our detectives and everything

00:30:59.320 can't identify one of the guys.

00:31:01.740 Yeah, well, you know, I don't know what they were doing

00:31:05.020 in the background there.

00:31:06.720 It's been quite an excuse.

00:31:08.620 Well, and you don't have to have an answer.

00:31:10.340 i just i just think that's wild like it's wild to say out loud right like it's like i i feel like

00:31:17.540 you know him being on the the commission makes complete sense but now you saying they can't go

00:31:23.060 you were an extremist because they didn't it's like oh yeah you're right so what are they going

00:31:26.980 to talk to him about moving trucks which is what he was doing and then you know i'm really excited

00:31:32.900 for him to talk about how hard he worked to get those trucks to wellington according to the deal

00:31:37.940 with the with the mayor and working with the police like you'll see how like what a good guy

00:31:42.980 he was to help again implement the thing and like i said earlier we the protesters were the adults

00:31:49.780 in the room there was now we see it all this infighting between different police and and

00:31:55.060 different uh government agencies and unfortunately the protesters were ping-ponged between these

00:32:00.900 people these groups yeah isn't that uh that's probably um you know when you look at the 10 days

00:32:07.540 it's probably one of the noticeable things uh all the different and i don't mean to call them

00:32:11.620 factions because they're not factions divisions or whatever it is in uh in the police uh services

00:32:16.820 and how much um man there was a lot of confusion going on between all those subsets of groups and

00:32:23.620 people and and uh it's almost at time not hard to follow but there's a lot going on in the in the

00:32:30.660 policing side of this thing i'm having a hard time following definitely and one thing too to go with

00:32:35.380 that is you know they're we're seeing this disconnect and miscommunication misunderstanding

00:32:40.820 even within the ops today we heard um superintendent drummond talk about that oh that was another case

00:32:46.900 of misinformation miscommunication or whatever and yet they expected these truck independent

00:32:53.860 truckers that came across the country didn't know each other before you know january 18th and then

00:33:00.500 even then not until they came to ottawa they expected them all to work together like they're

00:33:04.660 like some kind of uh well-oiled organization you know i i'm listening to this now and i'm like

00:33:11.780 so they're saying well tamara or tom couldn't control everyone yeah because they're independent

00:33:18.500 truckers you can't control your own departments and communicate clearly throughout the ranks it

00:33:25.380 seems so don't expect that on just these guys that came together guys and girls that came together

00:33:31.540 to protest realistic absolutely there was you know not only that but just backgrounds and and

00:33:39.140 like languages you know yeah i hate to break everybody but uh there's this place called quebec

00:33:44.260 that showed up in uh full force and there's a little bit of a language barrier there too you

00:33:48.980 know like yeah but there was but there was the language of love um before i let you go i guess um

00:33:58.340 i i should have started off here i don't know why i'm you know the brain's slowly catching up to me

00:34:03.780 i guess when this thing's done everybody's had their peace anybody going to jail what what's

00:34:12.020 coming out of it what do you want to come out of it is there anything going to come out of it

00:34:16.740 other than the truth wait a rain on the parade john no it is the truth 100 that is

00:34:23.700 that's the one thing we're going to get out of it at the beginning. The commissioner, I made an

00:34:29.420 excellent opening statement, and I do encourage people to read that or watch it on the webcast,

00:34:35.220 day one transcript. He says that criminal charges are not forthcoming from this or civil actions.

00:34:43.000 But what we are going to know is when the truth does come out, there can be lawsuits as a result

00:34:49.220 if, you know, it's really clear that the government mishandled this or the police

00:34:54.120 mishandled this. That's not preventing anyone from taking further action. Unfortunately, no,

00:35:00.900 nobody gets fired because of this. But what you can do is have pressure. And politicians

00:35:07.460 should feel the pressure from their electorate. So if it's very clear about the emergencies not

00:35:19.160 being um required we've heard unfortunately jagmeet singh say that even if that is the case

00:35:25.160 he's going to continue to support his bfs justin trudeau but we can continue the pressure on the

00:35:31.480 politicians on the prime our mps and say that you know enough is enough this this is where the

00:35:38.360 government went too far it was a peaceful protest the protesters did what they could and then what

00:35:43.240 happened they were beaten by the government by the police because the government told them to

00:35:50.840 and that is wrong in canada and that is not correct and we need this addressed and we need

00:35:56.360 this addressed by an election and we want to see some kind of action that way i hate to rain on the

00:36:01.320 parade i just i want to i want to bring people's uh expectations into where you know at the end of

00:36:06.200 this the truth is a lovely thing i think it's been trying to be hid for too long in my my own humble

00:36:11.880 opinion and i think majority of the population i don't know what that number is already knows that

00:36:17.180 but you're trying to convince people that uh think these people were terrorists and were there to

00:36:24.300 you know burn the city down and you know on the list goes um the truth might be the best thing

00:36:30.560 you know i'm not saying that uh um you know you bring up jagmeet and and and justin you know

00:36:36.020 yeah i think we all see it for what it is we all want them both gone but what are you going to do

00:36:41.120 I mean, this is sadly the game of where we're at, which I don't like, but you have to sit and you got to listen to the testimonies.

00:36:49.540 You got to see what comes of it.

00:36:50.620 And if you're sitting on the fence, you start listening to this stuff.

00:36:53.640 Let me tell you, you're going to have a pretty eye-opening experience of like, oh, if you didn't follow along from the beginning, you know?

00:36:59.720 And I think that's, you know, I hate to rain on the parade, but I just wanted to know for myself and for the listener.

00:37:06.460 I think it's good that they have an idea of what's happening here, you know, when this is all said and done.

00:37:11.120 no i knew did you did turn it around it started with firing somebody but the truth will come out

00:37:15.440 and so i just i thought it was a fun comment so i threw it in like i i'm with you sean 110 is the

00:37:23.280 truth is so important especially because of how it's like two different movies we've been watching

00:37:30.240 it's not even a little bit of a comparison it's like hell on earth and heaven on earth there was

00:37:36.160 there was no middle ground and that is so important for the it's like good versus evil this is what

00:37:43.520 the fight is basically so that truth um is going to be very powerful yeah i i totally agree um

00:37:51.440 before i let you go is there anything else that we haven't covered that you're like oh we should

00:37:55.760 make sure we talk about x um or have we covered off majority of it no i think we got everything

00:38:01.920 what i do um you know i'll continue with what we were saying is i encourage people to watch

00:38:06.960 i encourage people in ottawa or that are interested in coming to ottawa and observing in person to

00:38:13.440 come especially now with the protesters coming it'd be lovely to have support in the room and

00:38:19.280 also when the federal government is up because again this is the federal government that enacted

00:38:23.840 this very, very harsh legislation on peaceful protesters. And we should be looking them in

00:38:35.460 the eye, if possible, and saying, you know, I don't agree with this and make it more uncomfortable

00:38:40.340 for them. Again, there are public servants, and they should be serving the public, and they need

00:38:44.800 to see the public. The Zoom world has maybe made them a little bit less feeling. Yeah, you said 0.94

00:38:52.360 it perfectly uh it's it's high time there's been too much and uh i think i i can uh say for most

00:38:58.740 of the listeners you wish at the end of this it was just people pulled out of positions uh this

00:39:03.940 one called the prime minister and hauled off and been done with but we know that's not the way this

00:39:08.220 uh game is played or story works out at least at this point so i appreciate you doing this with me

00:39:13.940 eva and uh i look forward to uh you know following along and and seeing if you you know who knows

00:39:19.760 Maybe we'll get you back on for a roundtable down the road to give us some more updates.

00:39:23.480 That would be lovely. Very nice chatting with you, Sean.

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Western Standard - October 28, 2022

SNP8 Eva Chipiuk - The Public Order Emergency Commission

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