In this episode of the Western Standard, we are joined by Public Order Emergency Emergency Commission (POPEC) lawyer, Eva Chypiakiak. We talk about her career, her background in the legal profession, her journey to becoming a lawyer, and how she took a break from law for 4 years to travel the world as a yoga teacher.
00:12:56.480I mean, at the end of the day, it'll be really cool for those people
00:13:00.100to have an opportunity to stand in front of, you know, Canada, so to speak.
00:13:05.180and I think it's good for the listeners to know that's coming up uh hopefully shortly when when
00:13:09.740will we know when the list is like these are the names or the order sorry yeah well you know I
00:13:15.060we had anticipated getting it earlier and I can't blame the commission on this entirely
00:13:20.460and that we've made this public is we wanted uh the preliminary list that is on the website is
00:13:27.040that it's preliminary and we've requested the commission to have more protesters um
00:13:34.560more from our side more evidence from our side and more witnesses from our side to be called
00:13:39.800so that's you know i think they've been negotiating that along with the long days um so i and well
00:13:46.840we're going to have to know sometime this week what's happening but definitely our story is
00:13:51.680coming out next week well that'll be something for listeners to pay attention to as if once again if
00:13:57.140you're listening to the podcast just check the show notes the link to where you can go watch it
00:14:00.260is sitting in there and i encourage everybody to go watch some of it now you said i think keep going
00:14:06.800with the narrative you're talking about the cops you know they just keep going with the narrative
00:14:09.860and i'm wondering when does it end like it does at some point can they just be like actually you
00:14:15.080know yeah they get caught in so many like what yeah that's right yeah there was no uh danger
00:14:21.540there was no provocation of needing the emergencies act etc etc or does the narrative play out for the
00:14:27.580next you know four weeks or whatever time we have left well no so i did say the politicians are
00:14:33.700continuing the narrative we've seen some senior um municipal uh you know workers um really high
00:14:43.020level that were very truthful very forthcoming that saying that the protesters that they dealt
00:14:50.260with our clients were very reasonable and understood that they did not come here to impact
00:14:54.420Ottawa residents and wanted to do something to reduce those impacts. And so that's why we were
00:15:00.980able to very quickly come to an agreement with the mayor about moving the trucks to Wellington.
00:15:08.200So there was very good evidence there where we are constantly hearing that the protesters were
00:15:14.060unreasonable and just looking to overthrow the government. So the narrative has changed. And
00:15:21.160then what you do see as well is from some police officers, you could see the truth, uh, loud and
00:15:28.200clear. So I would encourage you to look at OPP superintendent Pat Morris's evidence, and he is
00:15:34.920the top intelligence man for all of Ontario. So the top brass, um, Ottawa would be under him.
00:15:42.980Um, so there you heard insanely credible evidence where he actually said the lack of violent, um,
00:15:50.720offenses was shocking in that small amount of time with so many people. What do you see on after
00:15:59.200Stanley Cup win? Lots of charges, lots of crazy. Here we didn't see that. There was evidence that
00:16:07.460Brendan Miller put forward, even to Steve Bell. And Steve Bell was one, unfortunately, had to keep
00:16:13.540playing that narrative. And we're thinking probably he's getting some kind of advisory position
00:16:18.120because he was playing that dance and it was put to him that in 16 days there were five
00:16:24.520offenses and yet out of his mouth he kept saying that this was very volatile and hour by hour
00:16:32.600it was escalating and then you see those numbers so you know fact over fiction is what we're really
00:16:40.300seeing and then he when when he was questioned and pressed on that violence he had to say well
00:16:48.140it wasn't actual violence it was the violence that the community felt
00:16:58.460yeah it was that's the reaction people had in the room too well i told the story maybe to tom i
00:17:07.420I can't remember now my I was saying that ever ever before we we started this that I've been
00:17:13.460battling a cold and I swear my brain is just not firing all cylinders I'm not supposed to admit
00:17:17.880that on air but dang it I'm like trying really hard here and at times it's just is like where
00:17:23.520am I going anyways one of the things that I got told and I told the other day yeah laugh I hope
00:17:28.680everybody's chuckling at me that's that's totally fine this is how we roll here I know a guy from
00:17:34.380Lloyd here who went there with his family and it was uh he got there I believe for the last day or
00:17:39.480two and then drove around downtown after it was all gone and he was telling his kids look at all
00:17:44.580the windows like there's nothing there's no broken windows anywhere and I mean you talk about uh
00:17:50.460after a Stanley Cup championship or Stanley Cup loss in Vancouver's history you know uh look at
00:17:57.000the damage and destruction that comes and you know I I think that's been shown over and over and over
00:18:02.320it again uh about how how peaceful it was and i would even take it you know i talked i tell the
00:18:09.660the story about going out on like the second or third night because i heard antifa was going to
00:18:14.020be running around the streets and causing havoc and whatever else and so i finally got up the
00:18:17.880courage because i'm thinking i don't want to run into those folks and i walk out the door
00:18:21.280and within the first like 50 steps i ran into a family of five the kids were you know seven five
00:18:27.300three or you know get the point handing candy bags out to the trekkers and i'm like man stop
00:18:31.600listening to everybody else go out and experience it because what happened there was you know and
00:18:36.460i'll keep saying it one of the most peaceful things i wasn't there the entire time i trust
00:18:40.940people such as yourself and others who were there right to the end that uh well and i've interviewed
00:18:45.760um spencer boats a trucker from saskatchewan who was there one of the last trucks removed right and
00:18:50.540he said talked about it it's amazing that nobody threw a punch that nobody got hauled off for you
00:18:55.960know whatever and he's like what is that oh man that's pretty incredible well it was because they
00:19:01.300what they were there for and they were there to end mandates and how's that going to help your
00:19:05.940goal if you're throwing punches and one thing i do want to mention is i've been getting a lot
00:19:11.460of statements recently from area residents and people brutally beat up by the police
00:19:18.500getting quite a bit of stories from you know people across canada and today i was reading
00:19:25.220a statement from an ottawa resident who lives not five minutes from where the commission is
00:19:29.700so very close to the protest and i was reading her statement and she said that the only acts of
00:19:36.020assault she saw was assault on the trucks so that was egg throwing and slashing of tires
00:19:43.940never any violence from the protesters to ottawa residents and then of course the police uh brutality
00:19:52.100that started after the emergencies act was invoked so exactly goes to that but even you know even
00:19:58.500with protesters being instigated also didn't raise the temperature they remained cool again they were
00:20:08.020there for one reason and one reason only was to end mandates yeah it's still i mean having a reason
00:20:15.940everything but even tom talked about it last time he's on he said like at one point i just had to
00:20:19.620walk away because i could feel my training coming up and i was starting to boil and i recognized it
00:20:24.580it and I walked away and I kind of got myself back together and and then came back and you think
00:20:28.960Tom ain't the only one there that could have could have fired some things up so to speak
00:20:33.480there was a lot of burly men and a lot of women that I wouldn't want to meet you know on the0.85
00:20:39.140wrong side of them either right and I mean that in the best way possible there was just a lot of
00:20:43.180people there for a purpose and maybe that's you know all you needed because you watch some of
00:20:48.800the videos you you see some of what went on towards the very end and you know and then you
00:20:53.200just hear different people talk about walking around there and seeing the lack of damage done
00:20:57.440actually you know it's the complete opposite you know the streets in my opinion were cleaner
00:21:02.060when you know after like day three of being there than they probably ever have been since
00:21:06.380the construction you know like it was just wild i had one cop tell me you know it's a day like two
00:21:12.420and he was uh up close to parliament and he said um you know uh yeah you guys be gone here in a
00:21:18.900couple days and whatever this is just no different and i was like oh you think so okay and he's like
00:21:23.180But I'll tell you one thing. I've never seen protesters clean up after themselves. And I give Andrew a ton of credit on here because he was the first guy that I know of that was going out at like one in the morning with garbage bags and cleaning everything up and making sure. Right. And that just spread. People see that and it spreads and it's super cool to watch and see. And obviously, you've seen that all firsthand from, you know, for the last six months. I mean, it's it's been a pretty cool, interesting group to have been around, I assume.
00:21:51.060Yeah, definitely. So I talked a bit about the violence and lack of violence, excuse me, and aggression. But then the other thing, and I think you kind of touched on it, is the diversity of people. And that's something, you know, it seems like the people in OPS at least couldn't wrap their heads around it because they were trying to profile the protesters.
00:22:14.680And they said, we've never seen anything like it.
00:22:17.920It was grandparents and families and aunts and uncles and former police officers.
00:22:24.600It's like, yeah, these are everyday Canadians of diverse backgrounds and diverse ages coming together because they all have a shared understanding and want to express to their own government that you have gone too far now.
00:22:43.780and that's something as well that really is and I think the narrative is slowly changing finally
00:22:51.420and in fact we hope to have some evidence come in next week where some people from minority groups
00:22:59.520and I've heard this from various now that this is the first time that they felt kind of like a true
00:23:07.780reconciliation in canada we're really every we all talk about it that has been there it felt so
00:23:14.420joyous so loving so caring so kind so like truly what we want is canadians diversity it was there
00:23:20.520it was available and it was felt by the people there and um you know i really hope that we're
00:23:27.560able to get that message and that truth out next week as well well for the listeners i got chris
00:23:32.800barber coming on next week um you know barring any incident and um he would recall it but he
00:23:38.500would have had a heck of a view uh being at the front but there was and i can't remember the place
00:23:42.880so i apologize to the community but there was a first nations community along the highway going
00:23:47.500out uh where the convoy literally crept along at like i don't even know was it a mile an hour people
00:23:53.860were just walking on the road and giving food and bawling their eyes out and like you can't unsee
00:23:58.020that stuff you just can't and uh i agree with that that even for me i hear a ton of people
00:24:05.620who say you know like i was kind of ready to be done with canada you know like i'm just i don't
00:24:12.420feel canadian i don't see and you know and and you always try and be tripper about it yeah but we're
00:24:16.740canadian and then you saw that go and how all the different people came out because it wasn't you
00:24:22.500know you talk about profile like i don't i did like eight convoy episodes where i interviewed
00:24:27.380different cars and semis and everything. And it was like you say, from four college kids jammed
00:24:33.500in a car. And I'm like, where are you sleeping? To a married couple in a semi to a dad taking his
00:24:37.480three kids to on and on and on it went. And that was the entire convoy. It was it was something to
00:24:43.320behold. And I hope well, and certainly you're gonna have my eyes drawn to it next week. Because
00:24:49.420with with people that I've met and interviewed and everything else, and I certainly think they
00:24:54.500need their time to talk. I think that's going to be some primetime television, if you will,
00:24:59.440for Canada, maybe the world. Yeah. Yeah. And then we're really here because of the federal
00:25:06.140government's decision to invoke the act. So let's not forget about that. What we've seen so far is
00:25:10.660kind of setting the stage on a local level. You know, Ottawa and police authorities, what they're
00:25:16.920understanding their actions in response, then the protesters. And then following that is going to be
00:25:23.260the federal government's reasoning for invoking the act. And honestly, that's where I really don't
00:25:31.800know what they're going to be bringing to the table, because we've now heard from what the
00:25:35.500intelligence was in Ontario. So this is what this was a transcript I saw, I hope of Trudeau from the
00:25:44.84019th. So it said these illegal occupations were a real problem, not just for the residents of Ottawa
00:25:50.040and people across the country but for our economy and the well-being of our democracy we did what
00:25:54.120we had in uh had to in a responsible way yeah and do you agree with that last we did what we had to
00:26:01.800in a responsible way no not at all and a lot of and this is one thing i meant to mention before
00:26:07.000um lots of the police officers to date have been saying that they could have done what they did
00:26:13.480with the authority they had at the time like there's a lot like how did the coots border get
00:26:17.800cleared up how did the windsor border get cleared up you know you arrest people you move them away
00:26:22.760they it was just a lack of resources and many now have said and brenda lucky we haven't had a chance
00:26:29.480to um examine her yet but there is an email that says exactly that we have we have not exhausted
00:26:36.840all options yet we don't need basically the emergencies act yet that came up yesterday in
00:26:42.600evidence the email um but many i don't think not one police officer has said they've kind of been
00:26:49.480on you know a little bit gray but not one has said we needed the emergencies act in order to
00:26:55.960um deal with the protest which i think is good for people to hear um i uh we've pretty much covered
00:27:01.560off a bunch of this but i i think it's also good for people here uh have they had any proof of
00:27:06.680foreign actors or that uh they had any documentation of that because that was a huge
00:27:11.560thing that it was a collusion with i mean just uh you can write anyone a donkey absolutely right0.63
00:27:17.800has any of that has any of that been brought forward so again back to opp superintendent and
00:27:22.920this is uh intelligence superintendent for all of ontario top top guy for um intelligence in ontario
00:27:31.880he actually spoke to that and he said there was no credible information about that about violent
00:27:38.600extremists no credible information and then if you hear the government of canada's lawyers
00:27:44.360cross-examining him after it was a little bit like grasping at straws but what about a lone actor
00:27:51.320and wouldn't that yeah and he said that is a possibility that's always a possibility but
00:27:57.000you can't prevent that from happening and so you know the all those all those um false narratives
00:28:05.160were disproven and he actually spoke about how the media's um perpetuation of the misinformation
00:28:12.760caused problems with them being able to act on the real information you know that's once again
00:28:20.200i i love having uh somebody who's sitting right there having to pay attention to uh testimonies
00:28:25.560and different things when you talk about pat morris um what do you recall what data is because
00:28:31.320if people want they can go in the show notes they can click on the website and they can go exactly
00:28:36.280to the day and go listen to them and i can send them directly there because i think as you keep
00:28:40.680talking eva like it's becoming very clear that they need to go listen and watch that one uh
00:28:48.440examination for you know the hour or two or longer that it is i'm looking at my tick tock because
00:28:54.040i'm trying to do a daily oh yeah so day five day five you know a little update would that be
00:29:01.160something they get they get uh chris barber up there and they're like well your tick tock shows
00:29:06.440and you're like that's where we've come to in society as well you know and i think that's the
00:29:10.600beautiful part with like i said with our story with the protester story is basically everything
00:29:16.280was documented especially somebody like chris barber he was doing two three five ten tick tocks
00:29:21.960a day like he has not much to hide at all and i really mean he has nothing to hide he broadcasted
00:29:30.440to half a million people saw some of his tiktoks at the time so you know if they just play his
00:29:37.320tiktok one after the other that that's his evidence but i guess we'll see what what they
00:29:42.600will be asking him of course there's you know background details that we'll get into the weeds
00:29:48.120about but yeah well they're gonna they're gonna try and build the story about him being an extremist
00:29:52.600or or whatever you know they try and do the thing is when i came into this or i'm gonna cut you off0.68
00:29:58.760there i thought there was gonna be a bigger challenge with that but like i said back to opp
00:30:04.680officer morris who was my favorite person to hear he he got rid of that so they would have identified
00:30:12.520for example chris barber as somebody that is a person of interest they did not
00:30:20.840so they can't make up this evidence now isn't that wild
00:30:26.520yes like when you when you think about that this little podcast had chris barber as a man of
00:30:34.280interest you know i would say he wasn't a man of interest that's the crazy part i i understand but
00:30:40.680But, like, people out here knew that he was a man of interest.
00:36:50.620And if you're sitting on the fence, you start listening to this stuff.
00:36:53.640Let me tell you, you're going to have a pretty eye-opening experience of like, oh, if you didn't follow along from the beginning, you know?
00:36:59.720And I think that's, you know, I hate to rain on the parade, but I just wanted to know for myself and for the listener.
00:37:06.460I think it's good that they have an idea of what's happening here, you know, when this is all said and done.
00:37:11.120no i knew did you did turn it around it started with firing somebody but the truth will come out
00:37:15.440and so i just i thought it was a fun comment so i threw it in like i i'm with you sean 110 is the
00:37:23.280truth is so important especially because of how it's like two different movies we've been watching
00:37:30.240it's not even a little bit of a comparison it's like hell on earth and heaven on earth there was
00:37:36.160there was no middle ground and that is so important for the it's like good versus evil this is what
00:37:43.520the fight is basically so that truth um is going to be very powerful yeah i i totally agree um
00:37:51.440before i let you go is there anything else that we haven't covered that you're like oh we should
00:37:55.760make sure we talk about x um or have we covered off majority of it no i think we got everything
00:38:01.920what i do um you know i'll continue with what we were saying is i encourage people to watch
00:38:06.960i encourage people in ottawa or that are interested in coming to ottawa and observing in person to
00:38:13.440come especially now with the protesters coming it'd be lovely to have support in the room and
00:38:19.280also when the federal government is up because again this is the federal government that enacted
00:38:23.840this very, very harsh legislation on peaceful protesters. And we should be looking them in
00:38:35.460the eye, if possible, and saying, you know, I don't agree with this and make it more uncomfortable
00:38:40.340for them. Again, there are public servants, and they should be serving the public, and they need
00:38:44.800to see the public. The Zoom world has maybe made them a little bit less feeling. Yeah, you said0.94
00:38:52.360it perfectly uh it's it's high time there's been too much and uh i think i i can uh say for most
00:38:58.740of the listeners you wish at the end of this it was just people pulled out of positions uh this
00:39:03.940one called the prime minister and hauled off and been done with but we know that's not the way this
00:39:08.220uh game is played or story works out at least at this point so i appreciate you doing this with me
00:39:13.940eva and uh i look forward to uh you know following along and and seeing if you you know who knows
00:39:19.760Maybe we'll get you back on for a roundtable down the road to give us some more updates.
00:39:23.480That would be lovely. Very nice chatting with you, Sean.
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