A couple of days ago, we had a rather spirited discussion about whether or not the Conservative Party of Canada, specifically under the leadership of Erin O'Toole, had abandoned conservatives. And let's just say we had some divergent views on that count, although many of those who commented thought that Erin OToole is certainly not the true blue conservative that a lot of people thought they were getting. And as a result, there's a bit of political turmoil in the Tory leadership race.
00:06:41.380The UCP snowboard scandal, where like every, you know, it seemed like half his caucus flew to Hawaii or Arizona while the province was in a lockdown.
00:06:52.260And we couldn't see our families at Christmas.
00:06:54.800And, you know, we couldn't hold Christmas gatherings.
00:16:43.200How much of that was phony in retrospect right now?
00:16:46.080Well, looking in retrospect and what he's done since, a good chunk of it.
00:16:50.560You know, he used to be the guy that ate dinner at the Blackfoot Diner, close to where he lives.
00:16:59.240And that's, you know, a lot of people are saying that, yeah, you know, he's still that Ottawa politician and not an Albertan.
00:17:09.820One of the problems, Mark, was that a lot of the UCP political staff that they brought in were from Toronto.
00:17:17.060And they had never lived in Alberta and they'd never, you know, seen what Albertans have gone through and that sort of thing.
00:17:25.740So their style of messaging and the way they did it and their responses sometimes didn't go down overly well.
00:17:34.540And, you know, the public didn't like the way it was handled.
00:17:38.180And there was some pushback in the strategy and, you know, basically saying, you know, you guys don't understand the way we think out here.
00:17:51.040But the persona that he put forth in the campaigns was pick up truck Jason because he went everywhere in that thing, but on tens of thousands of kilometers.
00:18:03.020Yeah, I mean, Prentice did the same thing, too.
00:18:06.380But I tell you, there seems to be the kind of Aaron O'Toole syndrome here working against Kenny.
00:18:12.540I mean, a lot of people thought that O'Toole was going to be Mr. True Blue Conservative.
00:18:19.360He used that as a relentless weapon against Peter McKay, whom he dubbed as, you know, a liberal-like kind of deal.
00:18:27.440And so in the same breath, now he's in there, and a lot of people think that that was phony.
00:18:32.540And so in the same way, I think it heightens and brings out, Corey, this cautionary tale that if you're going to put yourself out there as one thing, and then once you get in, you're something different, it's going to alienate the people who got you there.
00:18:50.860I mean, we've had 10 years of turning over parties and kicking some out and bringing some in.
00:18:56.540Like, we want somebody to come in and fit what we're looking to do.
00:18:59.800I mean, you know, to be fair, I don't think it was totally disingenuous or fake when Kenny was going around in the truck.
00:19:05.540He did know that that's what Albertans will respond to.
00:19:08.140I did sit down with him a couple of times over the campaign or even spoke with him last fall in that interview.
00:19:13.660And I think he was genuine, but I think he just doesn't, he can't seem to figure out how to lead the group he actually managed to win the leadership of.
00:19:21.660He can't herd these cats because he isn't perhaps as in tune with what grassroots Alberta politics are like anymore.
00:19:28.360He's long forgotten what the old reform days were like.
00:19:31.380And that's a lot more what the Wildrose element and those type of people in the party are.
00:19:37.880And then, yeah, turning back to Toronto style politics, those are not received out here.
00:19:42.100Yeah, I mean, to Dave's point, I mean, bringing in people from outside Alberta and then being shocked that they're not really in touch with how Albertans feel.
00:19:51.940I mean, that should be that's a no brainer.
00:19:53.960I mean, obviously, you have to use people who are aware of the sentiments of Albertans.
00:19:58.440But I think when this guy got in, when Kenny got in, he almost wanted to change the province somehow.
00:20:03.020He wanted to change the perception of the province.
00:20:05.320And so by bringing people in from outside, he was maybe trying to put a fresh coat of paint on the way that the province is portrayed.
00:20:23.140Well, let's look at something called the fair deal panel, Mark. This was a panel that traveled all around the province and came up with a list of ideas to get Alberta back into the confederation game.
00:20:38.460everything from its own provincial police force to its own income taxes and because that's what
00:20:46.680Alberta wanted and really Kenny has not done anything in response to that fair deal panel
00:20:55.240he has basically set up other panels to study what the panelist said you know this is the only
00:21:02.640job creation plan that that seems to be working is you know to become a member of one of these
00:21:08.480fair deal panels uh he has taken extremely tiny steps forward he's formed uh the alberta parole
00:21:16.320board uh but in in terms of the major deals absolutely no steps his uh his thought process
00:21:25.920is still you got to play nice with uh with justin trudeau and uh you know and see how that uh that
00:21:32.960turns out which i don't think is what albertans wanted to see when they elected them they wanted
00:21:38.800somebody who was was stronger and and to stand up to trudeau and he's promised a referendum on
00:21:46.240equalization in in the next at the time of the next fact or the time of the next provincial
00:21:52.320election and of course that's going to be overwhelmingly against neutralization in
00:21:57.280alberta of course it will be so we all know that so why hasn't he taken further steps now instead of
00:22:03.760you know this sort of stuff down the road um you know as the next guest coming on paul hidman
00:22:11.520he and i have talked before and he says every time trudeau opens his mouth now he gets more
00:22:18.240members signed up because Albertans don't seem to be happy with what Kenny's been doing so far, Mark.
00:22:28.240Yeah, I want to read you a couple of these comments because some of them are pretty hard
00:22:31.680hitting. This is Kyle D. Wickenstrom. I hope I pronounced that correctly. I'm so sick of these
00:22:38.080eastern charlatans coming in and duping Albertans into electing them. So he's saying that Kenny is0.96
00:22:48.000if i understand this correctly that kenny is an eastern charlatan i mean he is a he is an albertan
00:22:56.400cory i mean but maybe he's not the same kind of albertan that a lot of people well they they call
00:23:03.920it uh yeah they call it ottawa syndrome or dome disease or a number of those things i mean he is
00:23:10.080an albertan who spent a heck of a lot of time in ottawa uh he was a cabinet minister you know when
00:23:15.200in government, so it wasn't even like being a backbencher opposition MP that's going to spend
00:23:19.980a lot of time at home in the constituency. He's in Ottawa at that office and working,
00:23:24.440which you can't fault him for exactly, but you can see how that would make him lose touch with
00:23:28.240Albertans, you know, and something that he's worked with bureaucrats, he's worked with that
00:23:32.440giant Ottawa machine, perhaps that's part of it. I think it was Cheryl, I missed the name that came
00:23:36.160through in the comments, but she made a good point, like, what can he do? And it's towards
00:23:41.520what dave said too though can he keep striking panels he keeps talking about doing things but we
00:23:46.180again we're grumpy albertans we want to see some action no more panels no more commissions no more
00:23:51.500talk do something you know strike back at ottawa find a way um form that police force we've had
00:23:58.34010 commissions on it over the last 20 years you know you were there when harper penned the firewall
00:24:02.760letter like let's see some action because talk we've seen enough talk well how much of this is
00:24:08.080about the fact that the economy has not done well, Dave. I mean, this was always the argument that
00:24:13.380was given to me when I was in Alberta and learning about the province and growing to love the
00:24:18.620province. People said, well, you know, yeah, people at the time didn't like Alice at Redford
00:24:24.040and they had issues around the falling price of oil after that. But they always said that once
00:24:29.220the price of oil gets back up, people are going to start working again. They're going to start
00:24:33.160making money again. They're going to forget all about politics and the Tories will sweep
00:24:37.940to power. And now we've got oil at, what, 65 bucks for West Texas Intermediate. I mean,
00:24:43.380are people starting to feel a little bit better about the price of oil? And as a result, could
00:24:48.900Kenny's fortunes be tied to a rebounding economy in Alberta? What do you think about that, Dave?
00:24:54.580Well, I think it would certainly help. But look, Rachel Notley was not handed a gift when oil
00:25:01.300prices went in the toilet jason kenny was not handed a gift when the covert pandemic uh you
00:25:08.500know hit hit the country devastated the economy but mark you you remember downtown calgary when
00:25:15.060you lived here it was it was a bustling little place now it's a ghost town literally is a ghost
00:25:21.540time you know middle of the day and there's nobody on the stephen avenue mall not a soul to be seen
00:25:27.220so yeah i mean i think oil prices are above 70 now so there is that glimmer of hope but we are
00:25:38.080in such a deep hole but it's going to take a long time to try and and dig out of and the job losses
00:25:44.700were absolutely incredible uh and it's going to take time to to regain those jobs uh you know
00:25:53.980And the question is, you know, the companies that laid off workers by the thousands and thousands, are they going to recall them?
00:26:03.740So there's no doubt a better economy will certainly help.
00:26:08.280But I don't think the average Albertan sees that coming anytime soon.
00:26:12.720In fact, we had a story on our Western Standard Online website yesterday with the Bank of Canada governor saying, you know, the economy is not coming back in 2023.
00:32:10.500a province like Alberta is looking seriously at some kind of separation or independence agreement,
00:32:17.700then it's going to be one of those things that undermines the image of the entire country. I
00:32:22.660mean, that's one of the things that maybe Albertans should consider as they look forward.
00:32:26.500What's it going to take for Albertans to move forward with a referendum? I'll pose that to Dave.
00:32:33.060That's a good question. I think Paul might have been the better one to-
00:32:37.220Let's pump it back to Paul. Sorry. I mean, I thought maybe give Paul a chance to get a breather here since he finished talking. All right. Let's hear from you, Paul.
00:32:47.220You and I have been talking for 30 minutes now. It's Paul's turn.
00:32:50.260Okay, Paul, what's it going to take for Albertans to get to the point of where they think, okay, you know what?
00:32:56.240It's time, first of all, to spend some money, provincial money, and do a serious report.
00:33:02.840Look at the pros and cons of independence from the provincial point of view and say, okay, let's spend half a million dollars and get a really good report on the pluses and minuses of independence.
00:33:15.260and then work from that report, have the town halls, and then eventually put the question out
00:33:21.060to Albertans. What's wrong with that strategy? Well, it's fair enough to bring that up, Mark,
00:33:25.600but the fact of the matter is, is that when we've been in a broken and a dysfunctional relationship
00:33:30.120that's turned toxic now, where the prime minister, the cabinet, they clearly said that they want to
00:33:39.980shut down our major industry here our secondary industry beef it's right on you know number two
00:33:46.200on their target and and they have animosity towards us i mean we can go back to the 70s
00:33:51.320and and the national energy program that you know hit in there in the late 70s the 80s
00:33:56.120this has always been uh we can't allow these people to succeed we need to suppress them
00:34:02.840oppress them we need to stop them in their tracks but we've always been able to but but now we're
00:34:08.140getting to that that point in our relationship where more and more albertans realize that wow
00:34:13.180um this is this is a no-win situation we we need a divorce we need to be a sovereign nation
00:34:19.820and for many albertans there's no question that that we're better off to be on our own especially
00:34:25.880if you just talk the economics you know you talked about the 600 billion dollars that's left alberta
00:34:31.960to help the rest of canada the equalization payments it's just the process that it oh
00:34:37.380it lags two years what kind of a program is that other than the ones directed at when you're
00:34:44.400hurting we're not going to respond for two years because we want to you know it's not good enough
00:34:49.600that you're down we want to keep kicking you for a couple years that there's no no love lost from
00:34:55.000ottawa to to alberta and albertans are realizing that and again covid has been another kick to us
00:35:02.020that we have a premier who wants to follow lockstep and barrel with the federal government
00:35:08.280and the federal health minister and continue to shut down and hurt us. It's an incredible amount
00:35:15.020of pain that Albertans are taking on. And they've come to the realization that this is a broken,
00:35:19.900dysfunctional relationship. And the Wildrose Independence Party is here to give people hope
00:35:25.300and an option and a different choice. Well, let's see if they take it seriously. I mean,
00:35:30.700That's the real question here, isn't it?
00:35:32.500Whether Albertans are going to look at your party, Paul, and say, you know, this is a viable option for us, that independence is something that we should look seriously at.
00:35:39.620But in order for that to happen, I think you need the government to step forward and say, you know what, let's give this a serious look.
00:35:57.140i think he works for the university or the laurentian elites or something that no we don't
00:36:01.860need more reports we we need the firewall plus implemented and he's failed to do that and again
00:36:08.020with this referendum what's he going to do after we already know it's going to be overwhelmingly
00:36:14.180um popular for albertans to say equalization is wrong you got to take it out you know the one
00:36:19.460question is is should section 36 be pulled out of the constitution albertans are going to vote yes
00:36:25.380but do you think you we know nothing's going to change so what what's premier kenny going to do
00:36:30.660then say oh well next year we're going to send a registered letter um and and we're going to tell
00:36:35.780him he has to respond but the response is going to be easy it's just like the you know the dad
00:36:41.460when the teenager wants the keys to the car and he hasn't done what he's supposed to do
00:36:45.460and they just shrug their shoulders and say nope sorry not getting it yeah i mean sure go ahead
00:36:51.460The report you're talking about is already being done, the Alberta Fair Deal panel.
00:36:58.540That's not a report about independence, though, is it specifically?
00:37:02.500It's a report about what Alberta needs to get back in the Confederation game.
00:37:07.560And that was handed to Kenny a long time ago.
00:37:11.980And where Albertans are frustrated is that no steps, no concrete steps, have been taken.
00:37:18.260As I mentioned, the slight step of the Alberta Parole Board was one, but Albertans expected more of Jason Kenney.
00:37:27.260And, you know, Paul and I have talked before for stories.
00:37:32.200Every time Jason Kenney refuses to lift his lockdowns on benchmarks we've already reached, I'm sure the membership of Paul's party goes up.
00:37:43.000Every time that Prime Minister Trudeau opens his mouth and says something, the phone in Paul's office rings, people looking for memberships.
00:37:54.240The Western Standard had an exclusive poll a short time ago saying, you know, the thoughts of separation have never been higher in Alberta.
00:38:04.440That said, I think if the vote was held today, I don't think it would pass.
00:38:09.640But every month it gets, I think it gets closer and closer.
00:38:14.220So, you know, unless Kenny takes concrete steps to get that fair deal, I only see it as increasing.
00:41:21.620the cabinet at the time under Pierre Trudeau was given minutes to read the tax plan. Then
00:41:27.960Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau gave his own cabinet a few minutes to hurriedly review
00:41:33.080the national energy program the very day it was introduced to Parliament.
00:41:39.560Boy, that's an eye-opener. It's not like cabinet spent a whole lot of time,
00:41:44.060Paul, pouring over this document. He basically said, here it is, you know,
00:41:48.500you're voting in favor of it. End of story. And I dare say that Justin hasn't fallen far from that
00:41:57.540trick. Who wants to take that one? Yeah, that story's on our website. And it
00:42:03.220really is an incredible look at what happened back then. Days after the policy was announced,
00:42:10.260and the outrage from Alberta was incredible, the cabinet ministers were warned they should not go
00:42:16.660Calgary. You know, they were told not to show their faces here because of the fear
00:42:23.440of protest. And yeah, this was a deal cooked up with Pierre Elliott and Marc
00:42:32.660Lalonde and they sprung it on cabinet and it's a great piece by Blacklock's
00:42:37.600reporter who have been trying to get these papers for five years now to
00:42:42.340access to information and have been snibied, stymied every way. And a couple of incredible
00:42:48.200stories. Trudeau wanted to set up his own national lottery. A Liberal Party lottery.
00:42:54.220A Liberal Party lottery, believe it or not. And, you know, the proceeds would go to support them.
00:43:00.500So I encourage people to go to the website and read them because they're extremely well
00:43:05.360researched and well done. But yeah, and that's, you know, that's where all the hatred starts,
00:43:11.500right from the moment that Trudeau introduced the NEP.
00:43:15.900And that's the environment that Justin Trudeau grew up in, right? You look at the disdain with
00:43:22.940which Pierre Trudeau held for his own cabinet. We all knew that he thought they were a bunch of
00:43:27.820nobodies, right? He called them that. Yeah, we're the ugly, dirty step-son,
00:43:33.980step-daughter that everybody's embarrassed about on what we do. They don't even realize that all
00:43:38.620the work that we're doing is helping them out but probably the most frustrating thing for for myself
00:43:44.300and many albertans that i talked to is that you know we we had a prime minister prime minister
00:43:48.860harper from the west from calgary and yet what what did he do when it came time to realize and
00:43:55.020again if you're actually in the interest of the country alberta's economy was growing that they
00:44:00.620they could have kept using that but instead they stymied it he never got through northern gateway
00:44:05.500He was hesitant on it. Why? Because he wanted to stay elected and be incremental. And we've never
00:44:11.520had a premier or a prime minister that's actually thought of even the country and the benefit that
00:44:17.380Alberta would be. It's always, no, we got to oppress these people. We got to hold them back.
00:44:21.860They can't be successful. We can't make them strong. And that attack has been constant since
00:44:26.740the 80s. And they're doubling down on it now. And the fact of the matter is, is that to talk
00:44:32.000about keystone xl are you kidding me obama 2008 slammed that shut and i thought wow what a gift
00:44:39.920for prime minister he can now say it's in our national interest we're building pipelines to
00:44:44.800the coast and get it done and instead they continue fighting down south why not because
00:44:50.220they love alberta not because they want prosperity here that there's another reason behind their
00:44:55.220minds, and they've been, again, charlatans. And while we're shouting down, whoa, what is that?
00:45:04.380That sounds awful. Have you heard, do you hear that? No. All right. I guess it's in my ear.
00:45:09.400Sounds like Satan telling me to say something. Mark, I hear it. It sounds like Corey's being
00:45:16.840eaten by a dinosaur. Thank you. I thought I was hearing voices there for a second. I mean,
00:45:22.840And all the time, even as we're talking about destroying the resource sector, and in fact, exactly, I mean, Trudeau and Harper utterly failed.
00:45:31.300And Trudeau came in and made matters even worse.
00:45:36.400And yet we're continuing to import oil from the likes of Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Nigeria, you know, some of these terribly repressive countries.
00:45:45.180And I had this conversation with the leader of the Green Party.
00:45:47.900I said, why is it that you are in favor of stopping the pipelines while you don't favor0.97
00:45:54.220ending imports from these countries, these reprobate regimes, which treat their own people
00:46:00.500like garbage, are basically racist, they throw gay people off buildings, they treat women like
00:46:07.740second-class citizens. Why is it that you favor bringing in oil from these regimes, but you are
00:46:15.320are hell-bent against the rolling out of pipelines.
00:46:18.640And I think you raise an excellent point here, Paul.
00:46:20.500I think Ottawa has always been reticent
00:46:42.180I think this is a reprehensible policy by a successive group of politicians in Ottawa who are hell-bent against the idea of Alberta growing its economy and becoming more of a force in Canada.
00:46:57.140I think it's an absolutely destructive policy.
00:52:28.780I mean, he was at the Freedom Talk conference this weekend and he talked about radically
00:52:32.780decentralizing the federal government.
00:52:35.660And he wants, you know, provinces to be independent and self-sufficient and his policies are such.
00:52:42.300But when you go to the Maverick Party, like I say, what can they really do for us except for stop the conservatives and say, you know what, you guys don't deserve our vote.
00:52:52.240So we're going to give it to the Maverick Party because they're not going to support you in pillaging Alberta because that's what the conservatives have done.
00:53:00.220It's what the liberals, you know, promise to do, that the conservatives continue to pillage that.
00:53:06.000But the individual talked about 34 Alberta seats, but there's 34, I think, in B.C. and I don't know, 20 in Saskatchewan that, you know, they're trying to run in three provinces and part of Manitoba, I believe, as well.
00:53:19.100But human nature is that we don't like to do things that we know are for no purpose.
00:53:25.700And again, I don't think that Albertans have seen a purpose yet other than a protest vote for the Maverick Party.
00:53:33.060And again, we need to send that protest down there, in my opinion.
00:53:37.440But boy, we want to vote for something that we believe in and it's going to accomplish something.
00:53:43.280And that's what the Wild Rose Independence Party is about.
00:53:46.100That firewall plus becoming independent and then letting Albertans in a real referendum that's going to mean something to vote for sovereignty.
00:53:53.960Well, until Albertans get serious and elect a party like yours, Paul, the rest of the country is just going to yawn, just saying it's just more whining from Alberta.
00:54:04.260We've heard it all before. We know they're not going anywhere.
00:54:07.060That's why it was such a terrible idea to ever take independence off the table, because once you do that, you know, that's your that's your big bargaining chip.
00:54:13.920That's why Quebec has never taken it off. They're too smart for that.
00:54:17.360So you'll never hear Quebec say, well, we would never, ever, ever go our own way.
00:54:22.460independence is completely off the table. They know that as soon as they do that, that's a huge
00:54:26.260bargaining chip that they no longer have. So they always want to keep it there. And that's why they
00:54:30.420elect people on the block. That's why there's a provincial party that's dedicated towards
00:54:34.920separation. It's always there in the backdrop. And Justin Trudeau being from there, of course,
00:54:39.200favoring Quebec anyway. I mean, Quebec always has the whip hand. And until Alberta learns a few
00:54:45.340things from the way Quebec has conducted its business, I know that's going to sound terrible
00:54:49.820to some people in alberta but the fact is alberta could learn a lot from the way that quebec has
00:54:54.860managed finagle it's you know to get the lion's share in many cases of the money from the rest of
00:55:00.060the pro of the country i i'm i'm going to argue back on that a little bit in the fact that we're
00:55:05.260very different um alberta we have the industry we have the vehicle we have the keys to the vehicle
00:55:11.180and and we have the revenue coming in for the work that we do but we send it all out to ottawa
00:55:15.660for them to use and then we ask the bullies you know hey we need some lunch money back and they
00:55:20.460laugh as is oh sorry it's all spent quebec has been the the teenager in the basement of the house
00:55:26.940demanding the credit card demanding the car demanding gas and going out and having a great
00:55:32.860time alberta is not in that situation we we actually have the industry we have the people
00:55:38.220the resources the land i mean when you look around the world where would you find the amount of
00:55:42.780universities that we have here in alberta on a per capita basis you look at the resources you
00:55:47.820look at the land the agriculture the timber we we we are i want to say second to none around the
00:55:55.020world that the opportunity is here what's causing our problem it's an overbearing federal government
00:56:01.980that doesn't want us to succeed and they're doing a darn good job at oppressing us yeah but you've
00:56:07.900got to do something about that. You're allowing Ottawa to do this to you. Alberta is allowing
00:56:19.580Ottawa to kick it in the head every chance it gets. Treat it like an abused person.0.82
00:56:24.860But again, we only have federal politicians that are charlatans. They say they're standing
00:56:29.020up for Alberta, but they fail. They fail time and time again. That's why Alberta,
00:56:33.740it's about independence movement it's about standing up for ourselves and again you got
00:56:38.380to realize that there really hasn't been a movement since the 1980s at the nep but but
00:56:43.260things are so much worse now with all the environmental rules and regulations and the
00:56:48.620the federal policies you think of the 1980s and the social programs and the spending that
00:56:53.340ottawa was doing then and compare that to 2020 this is a new world albertans are going to have
00:56:59.180an opportunity in 2023 and there's going to be many wild rose independence members they're going
00:57:03.900to work hard boots on the ground talk to their friends get out the message go to wildrose.party
00:57:09.360look at our policies because there finally is an option where we want to be conservatives you know
00:57:15.500small government uh free market let let people go out there and be the entrepreneurs the brilliance
00:57:21.880that they are let the capital money come in low taxation we've got an awesome opportunity it's
00:57:28.060just that we're down we're beaten down and we're low but we'll spring back yeah and I'm sure you
00:57:33.300I'm sure you will but at some point Albertans have to for lack of a better word say yeah it's
00:57:40.700time you know we've waited long enough Ottawa will never give us our due because they don't have to
00:57:46.140there's no incentive for them to make anything I mentioned this you know earlier on in the
00:57:50.680discussion and as long as they think that Albertans are never going to seriously look at
00:57:55.460independence they don't have to give you a thing they can hog all the wealth they can boot alberta
00:58:00.980in the backside time and time again because it refuses to vote liberal and so nothing is going
00:58:06.340to change until alberta finally says it's over we're done we're out of here goodbye canada i
00:58:13.860don't know what do you think dave you know what you you may be right uh you know i think one of
00:58:21.300One of the big problems Jason Kenney is going to have to overcome right now is what you
00:58:45.480You know, Kenny needs the economy to improve if he's going to, you know, be able to help matters.
00:58:53.260But like I said earlier, it's going to be a long time.
00:58:56.940And, you know, Paul's party is striking a chord, I think, with Albertans at the moment because they're not seeing any progress in talks with Ottawa.
00:59:10.520So, you know, Dave, I got a comment because one of the things that Jason did was he brought Kelvin Helen on that I don't know if you're familiar with the Eagle Spirit Energy Pipeline or Eagle Spirit Energy Corridor, but these are First Nations individuals that Jason brought on during his campaigning, promised to work with them.
00:59:30.360But if he was serious about Alberta, he would be working with Calvin.
00:59:34.260But as soon as he got elected, he dropped him like a hot potato.
00:59:37.140He has no desire any more than any of the other charlatans out east for a pipeline to the world market.
01:05:51.780And she said, all I got was a, she drew a blank.
01:05:55.520And I said, so you would rather buy oil from them than buy oil.
01:05:59.040And your own brother is in the oil patch.
01:06:01.160You know, why not put a couple of bucks in his pocket?
01:06:03.360It was, it's an absolutely fraudulent argument.
01:06:05.800And that's why Albertans need to fight back on this point.
01:06:09.360I wanted to ask you as well, the geopolitical circumstances across the continent, because
01:06:16.000now you're seeing things beginning to fracture.
01:06:18.220And I'm talking about U.S. states like, you know, you look at Texas all the way up through Alaska.
01:06:26.100I mean, you know, that huge, long corridor that includes a good chunk of the of the far north of Atlantic, of Canada, right down Alberta, Saskatchewan.
01:06:36.600And we talk about Montana, Idaho, all these deep red states, Wyoming, Oklahoma, right down to the Gulf of Mexico.
01:06:44.840I mean, is it possible that with all the upset being caused by Biden now, I mean, the United States isn't even energy independent anymore to Biden, you know, a couple of months to destroy that, you know, people get mad enough that they'll fight back and say, you know, look seriously at secession the way you are, Paul.
01:07:05.220I mean, let's call it what it is. It's secession from the rest of Canada. Is it possible that there might be some kind of new country formed with like-minded U.S. states like Alaska, like Montana? You know, do you see some kind of union between Alberta, Saskatchewan and those U.S. states?
01:07:28.160I think that, you know, if you'd have asked me this four months ago and, you know, all conservatives were convinced that Trump was going to win again, not a problem.
01:07:37.700But the world's in turmoil around the world and conservatism and the free market is just being viciously attacked by these environmentalists and these globalists that they want to shut that down.
01:07:50.960They want to rule the world. They want to rule our lives. But there is many, I want to say, freedom fighters, patriots that understand that the whole movement forward of humanity and the prosperity has always been based on a good government that protects the individuals.
01:08:09.840But yet when you have these socialist, communist groups that want to take away ownership, it doesn't work. And so, yeah, I wouldn't say that it's out of the realm when we see what's happening.
01:08:20.960You know, Texas is moving hard, and there's just a lot of those states.
01:08:25.200Missouri, a lot of them are moving, and it's certainly possible.
01:08:28.660But I see sovereignty of individual nations and then having agreements much easier than trying to form a new massive country.
01:08:37.960I can see, you know, we had east and west Germany.
01:08:40.580I see western Canada very easy being formed.
01:08:44.600Once Alberta declares sovereignty, other people are going to say, hey, we don't want to be part of that sinking ship.
01:08:50.280If we see a future here in Western Canada, let's join ranks and we can be strong and
01:21:38.220And it showed how bloody fast that government backpedaled when they saw the signs of a revolution, when they saw those restaurants go from two to four to a dozen.
01:21:48.500It's amazing how fast that press conference and plan came together.