Western Standard - Terror rallies on Canadian streets

00:00:00.000 good day uh today is october 9th 2024 i am derek fildebrandt publisher of

00:00:29.920 the western standard and you're watching the pipeline uh joining me as usual is western

00:00:36.000 standard uh opinion editor nigel hannaford good to be here and western standard senior alberta

00:00:42.080 columnist cory morgan logan uh in a bit on the show we're going to have the western standards

00:00:48.080 saskatchewan bureau chief and managing editor of the new saskatchewan standard chris old corn on

00:00:53.680 as well as our british columbia bureau chief and uh managing editor of the west coast standard

00:01:01.120 jared yager uh we've got a good show today we're going to be talking about

00:01:07.200 some absolutely incredible events that took place on canadian streets uh just days ago uh

00:01:14.480 uh thousands of people in uh major cities uh particularly in vancouver toronto and uh

00:01:22.640 montreal thousands of people openly declaring themselves to be affiliated with terrorist

00:01:28.480 organizations not just sympathizing with some of their goals but uh disassociating with their tactics

00:01:37.600 but explicitly embracing their tactics saying that they support hamas they support hezbollah they 0.96

00:01:43.360 support attacking jewish civilians raping jewish civilians um stuff that was just far beyond the pale 0.93

00:01:51.520 of what i would expect in my least charitable interpretations of these people uh we're going 0.96

00:01:57.840 to be talking about the british columbia election uh very interesting and we're going to talk about the

00:02:02.880 saskatchewan election very not interesting uh so that that'll be the show today but we're going to kick

00:02:09.760 it off now with canadian terror terror rallies on canadian streets we're going to bring in uh the western

00:02:16.640 standards uh bc bureau chief and uh managing editor of the brand new uh west coast standard uh jared

00:02:24.880 uh you've done great work uh really kind of introducing people to the new west coast standard

00:02:30.000 from where you're sitting at in uh vancouver you were on the streets for uh some of these rallies

00:02:36.480 on the anniversary or uh or just a day before the anniversary of the october 7th uh pogroms or attacks

00:02:43.440 on uh roughly it was at 1200 or so uh around 1200 israeli civilians uh hostages taken 1200 killed

00:02:53.200 or uh killed or just taken some yeah and uh and many of those raped who uh many of those are mixed in 0.51

00:03:02.560 there uh rape victims uh but on the anniversary of this uh i i suppose this uh these these great uh peace

00:03:10.320 demonstrations uh jared people calling for a two-state solution and a peaceful end to the

00:03:14.800 conflict that's what you saw when you were on the ground there in vancouver right no actually it was

00:03:19.520 the complete opposite uh as they walked down the street they actually chanted palestine is for

00:03:24.320 palestinians only which to me doesn't sound like they want to coexist yeah um so why don't we um actually

00:03:34.640 you know let's let's let some of your videos actually do the talking before we get into it

00:03:43.360 we are the black panthers we are the double tigers we are ellen sark we are the zapatistas we are the

00:03:50.720 at the land and yes we are hezbollah and we are habat israel burn burn israel burn burn 0.94

00:04:04.160 palestinians will return palestinians will return israel is a terror state 0.99

00:04:10.320 as-are-as-aw-o-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-rro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro-ro recib 0.94

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00:04:37.940 All right. Well, that's just a brief taste of some of the shocking video footage that Jared

00:05:04.400 obtained on the ground there in Vancouver. Let's start with some of it. I mean, what sticks out

00:05:11.500 to you the most? Some of the stuff was just absolutely shocking.

00:05:15.760 Well, protests are kind of my thing, and I've been covering them here in Vancouver for

00:05:20.240 over a year now. But it was shocking to me just how quickly, from the river to the sea,

00:05:27.600 Palestine will be free, went from being the most radical chant to kind of the most milquetoast,

00:05:33.240 like, okay, fine. Yeah, because on the anniversary of October 7th, I witnessed, and this is the

00:05:43.640 clip that's gone pretty viral. Someone got up in front of everyone and said, we are Hezbollah

00:05:51.940 and we are Hamas. If you told me a year ago that I'd be hearing that in the streets of

00:05:57.360 Vancouver, I would not have believed you. Yeah. Corey, a year ago, they at least had the

00:06:08.520 pretense of pretending this was peace. They want a ceasefire. So, you know, Hamas gets the start of

00:06:16.260 war, kill a bunch of people, and Israel's not supposed to retaliate. Okay, you could at least, 0.92

00:06:22.540 if you're being charitable, you could maybe describe that as a peacenik naivete. I don't think

00:06:30.820 we can charitably grant them the status of, you know, naive peacenik right now. They're saying we are

00:06:40.160 Hezbollah. We are Hamas chanting death to Canada, burning the Canadian flag. I don't know, do you call 0.94

00:06:49.320 the police or do you call an airstrike? I don't know. I mean, yeah, airstrikes, I don't think we

00:06:53.400 have a capable enough munitions for targeted attacks like Israel does. So we'd probably cause 1.00

00:06:58.080 more problems. But I mean, it was always the message, you know, as Jared said, that from the

00:07:03.400 river to the sea was the prior one, but they were talking around it. And that was a statement of

00:07:07.280 saying we want to wipe the Jews out of Israel. Now they've just dropped those pretenses. They're 0.98

00:07:10.840 saying that's it. We, you know, Hamas, Hezbollah, they're registered terror organizations in every

00:07:16.780 democracy in the world. To identify yourself as supporting them is identifying yourself to be

00:07:22.340 part of a criminal organization. It's time to crack down because this is escalating. You know,

00:07:26.340 I think the government was kind of hoping this would calm down on its own and they wouldn't have

00:07:29.640 to do anything. It's getting worse and worse. And with flag burnings and these statements aren't

00:07:33.920 enough for them, some of that case is going to get out and do something really dangerous soon.

00:07:38.000 Nigel, it's clearly escalated. A year ago, you know, they just switched the word Jew

00:07:45.840 was Zionist. And it was pretty clear to those of us who pay attention to these people, what

00:07:51.300 they're talking about. What they, and I didn't think they were very subtle a year ago, but

00:07:56.420 compared to today, yeah, they were, they were extremely subtle. Today, they are openly

00:08:03.160 affiliated. Can you imagine on the first year anniversary of 9-11 rallies where they're saying

00:08:09.700 we are Al-Qaeda? You know, we are Samuel Bin Laden. Because it hit us or hit the Americans,

00:08:17.380 there was very little tolerance for it. I think we probably would have called it an airstrike on

00:08:20.960 Guantanamo got crowded. Yeah, yeah. But it's, they've dropped all pretenses at all to even

00:08:29.340 peace here. They're not calling for peace. They're calling for extinction. So there's a couple of things

00:08:33.340 here. One is, first of all, if we're talking about exercising our imaginations, can you imagine

00:08:40.380 what would be the reaction if this was a white power crowd calling for the destruction of Israel?

00:08:48.140 Everybody from the prime minister to the premiers of every province and to the police agencies would

00:08:55.280 be moving in on this as they rightly should. But they are not doing so now. I do see that the

00:09:03.320 Vancouver City Police has launched an investigation. We'll see where that goes. Shouldn't prejudge it.

00:09:10.780 That's the first thing. The second thing is, my observation was that when things happened on October

00:09:18.360 the 7th last year, the demonstrations followed almost immediately. I don't think there was more

00:09:26.920 than an hour that passed between news of what was happening in southern Israel before there was a banner

00:09:36.020 on a bridge in the Lower Mainland. These people were ready. And it was very interesting to talk to the

00:09:50.540 Israeli ambassador just a few days ago. And he said that there already existed within Canada,

00:09:58.200 an infrastructure of hate. Now that's quite a strong phrase. That's what he said. And certainly

00:10:05.520 events seem to have validated that. And I was wondering if I could ask Jared,

00:10:11.160 what you know, you say you've been covering this for a year. Did you ever get the sense that there

00:10:17.720 was an infrastructure of hate? A little bit. You know, they try to pass themselves off as, you know,

00:10:25.640 a grassroots movement, but it's clear there's something happening behind the scenes. And one of the

00:10:30.820 one of the main people in charge of all this hate in Vancouver is Charlotte Cates. And she runs 1.00

00:10:37.620 Samadun over here, which is hopefully soon to be a designated terrorist organization because it is 0.99

00:10:45.120 aligned with the PFLP, which is already a terrorist organization. And so she's been kind of, you know,

00:10:51.900 motivating people to get out. And, you know, at first, it was more like, you know, like you guys

00:10:58.700 were saying, it was more get out and protest for a free Palestine. But over the year, it's just

00:11:04.580 kind of shifted into play. Like, yeah, we don't want Israel to exist anymore. 0.99

00:11:10.060 Jared, you're on the ground there. You know, in something we wrote on this, we, we called it an

00:11:18.040 Islamist. Islamist is the political ideology of radical Islam, as opposed to just Islam, the religion.

00:11:26.280 And we've kind of coined it as Islamist or Islamo-progressivism, that it's, it's a strange,

00:11:34.060 it's got to be amongst the strangest bedfellows in history. I mean, there's been weird alliances,

00:11:40.420 enemy of my enemy kind of thing, but Islamist progressive, Islamo-progressives, you know,

00:11:47.680 someone who's, you know, a vegan, genderqueer, purple-haired, Birkenstock-wearing person, 0.96

00:11:58.640 side-by-side with someone who wants to beat and enslave women and forcibly convert people and kill 0.99

00:12:03.620 the Jews. That is a weird, that's a weird coalition of people. And I could see from the videos that you 1.00

00:12:11.560 took and other videos from the rallies across Canada, mixes of those crowds, people who dress

00:12:19.020 like they're on a casting call for a movie about ISIS, and people who look like they're in a second

00:12:28.280 year sociology gender studies undergrad. It's very, it's fascinating to me, the convergence of these

00:12:37.440 different ideologies, kind of under the banner of anti-decolonialism or something, that the

00:12:45.280 Palestinians are now the indigenous people of that region. Not that the, the Jews have no history 1.00

00:12:52.300 there, they're newcomers. The Jews, we don't really, you know, they just sprang out of the ground 1.00

00:12:57.660 somewhere. They're, they're clearly not from Judea. But, but I guess in the strange ideology of this,

00:13:05.620 it's, it's trying to, you know, it's saying, Israel is not legitimate, because they have displaced the

00:13:11.640 indigenous Palestinians. And Canada is not legitimate, because we displaced the, you know, 1.00

00:13:18.680 indigenous people here. I mean, there is at least a, they actually were here before us, unlike the 1.00

00:13:25.600 Palestinians who conquered the region. But maybe to one of you to maybe just speak to the weird 1.00

00:13:32.180 convergence of ideologies where they're trying to shoehorn, you know, indigenous issues in Canada

00:13:38.060 somehow into the Palestine conflict. Well, you know, Derek, we've seen these, this kind of strategy

00:13:45.500 before in the 50s and the 60s, the left would always have a united front against whoever it was

00:13:52.800 that they were against. And so they would co-op the causes of the day. Well, these are the causes

00:13:58.620 of the day in 2024. It all comes under critical theory where you have the oppressed and the

00:14:04.820 oppressors. And if you're against the oppressed, if you're against the oppressors, then you all get

00:14:09.940 all the oppressed people together. Whether that is a legitimate interpretation, of course, is an

00:14:14.800 entirely different subject. You can hardly call Canada an oppressed country. But that's the strategy. 0.98

00:14:23.060 All right. Well, we're going to keep Jared with us. Because in addition to covering the hate fest in

00:14:32.380 Vancouver, the other night, you are our man on the ground in British Columbia, and you're closely

00:14:37.940 watching the BC election. I mean, I really like the name of this segment. It's straws versus cocaine.

00:14:46.000 So David E., sorry, not David E., John Rustad, the BC conservative leader, was pointing to a meme

00:14:54.520 that's been fairly popular in BC in the last while, where it's got a few lines of coke, and it's got a

00:15:02.020 plastic straw. And it says, one of these is illegal in BC, one of these is not. And, you know, it wouldn't

00:15:09.260 be a popular meme if it wasn't, not what would normally be the case, where, until extremely

00:15:19.300 recently, the BC NDP had legalized hard drugs, but made it illegal for restaurants to have

00:15:26.180 plastic straws.

00:15:26.780 For something to be funny, there has to be an element of truth.

00:15:29.340 Yeah. So I think it's emblematic of a lot of what's going on, Jared, in the BC election. Why don't you

00:15:36.960 kind of give us a high level of, you know, you know, this meme and John Rustad's discussion of

00:15:44.280 it just the other day? Maybe get into how that's, how we discussed before the show, how it's kind of

00:15:50.100 become emblematic of the difference between the NDP and the conservatives in this election.

00:15:55.380 Yeah. So what we've seen over the past couple of weeks now, and what really was highlighted in the

00:16:00.520 debate last night, is that John Rustad, like, he's listening to the people of BC. He knows what we

00:16:06.700 want, what we don't want. Whereas David Eby seems to be hellbent on sticking to his ideology, and

00:16:14.020 pushing through policies and keeping ones that we know do not work. And it got to a point in the debate

00:16:21.940 last night, where the moderator even asked him, like, on the issue of healthcare, are you putting ideology

00:16:29.340 ahead of the needs of British Columbians?

00:16:33.080 Well, I don't know, I might take issue with you on sticking to his ideology. David Eby did flip-flop

00:16:38.580 on hard drug decriminalization or legalization. Actually, not even just that, handing out free hard drugs,

00:16:46.440 period. I mean, they had worked with the Trudeau government in Ottawa to, within BC, make this legal

00:16:53.540 for the government to engage in. They were, that was a pretty interesting ideological limb

00:16:59.940 they climbed out on. But it, the policy was a disaster. It became a political liability. And

00:17:05.800 Eby did retreat on it. I don't think he really said we were wrong. He just more or less said public

00:17:11.260 opinion, public support for it's collapsed. You know, do you take that as a sign that, you know,

00:17:18.400 he's recognized when he made an error and he's trying to correct it? Or just that he saw poll

00:17:23.980 numbers that showed that sticking to his ideology there would probably cost the government?

00:17:28.540 I think it's more, more the latter. But when I say ideology, it doesn't need to be consistent. It

00:17:33.440 just needs to be, you know, the ideology of the day. And that's, that's kind of where, where we see,

00:17:39.000 you know, even with the, with the carbon tax and with involuntary treatment, it was as soon as,

00:17:47.260 you know, public support seemed to be shifting the other way. His ideology just shifted along

00:17:52.340 with it.

00:17:54.320 Yeah. Corey, Eby has flip-flopped on some of the biggest keystone NDP policies. I mean,

00:18:02.960 we just got to take stock for a second. Three years ago, even the federal conservative party

00:18:08.260 under Aaron O'Toole was forced, forced by that leader kicking and screaming to be supporting a

00:18:13.420 carbon tax in the last federal election. It's the reason I couldn't vote conservative in the last

00:18:16.760 election because I'll never vote for a carbon tax. But three years ago, even the federal

00:18:20.260 conservatives were in support of a carbon tax. In September, 2024, even the BC NDP, generally

00:18:27.120 considered amongst the most radical parties in the country, has climbed down from its support of a

00:18:34.380 carbon tax. They're not opposed to it. They said, if we don't have to have one, maybe we'll

00:18:37.800 have less of one, that kind of thing. Do you think that these kinds of flip-flops are going

00:18:46.420 to help Eby? Because he is disassociating himself with unpopular positions. You know, polling shows,

00:18:52.760 people don't want drugs in their neighborhood. People don't want a carbon tax. So he's pulling

00:18:56.660 away from unpopular positions. But on the other side, he looks, well, he's flip-flopping. It looks

00:19:01.000 like he's a weather vane in the polls. Do you think these things are, you know, is he getting thorny

00:19:05.620 issues out of the way for him to move on to other less unpopular issues? Or is this going to hurt him

00:19:11.580 by just making him look inconsistent? Well, woke issues fail in the public support when people don't

00:19:17.940 feel safe and when they can't pay their bills. And the carbon tax and the drug policies have managed

00:19:23.100 to make people feel unsafe and broke. So that's part of where Trudeau is down in the support levels

00:19:27.820 he's at. And he's sticking to his guns. And Eby can see that. And you can see that when he's down at

00:19:31.460 20% with the federal party of liberals, which is astounding. So he's got nothing to lose in

00:19:36.620 shifting his policy. I mean, whether or not people believe he's genuine in shifting away from those

00:19:40.880 policies, I guess, is what will happen at the voting booth. But Eby's taking the smarter approach

00:19:45.780 and at least softening his stance on some of those things because your ideology is not going to get

00:19:50.480 through in any sense if you lose the election. So a bit of pragmatism is a good idea. Whether or not

00:19:55.980 it'll work, I guess time will tell. Jared, you know, I did just say a moment ago that the BC NDP is

00:20:03.880 amongst the most radical parties in the country. But in BC, there is one even more radical and that's

00:20:09.380 the BC Greens. They don't call themselves left. But I mean, come on, guys. Is there a risk in him

00:20:18.480 abandoning the carbon, at least his full-throated support for the carbon tax, abandoning his support

00:20:25.180 for free hard drugs, that kind of thing? Is there a risk that he could bleed significant support to

00:20:32.460 the Greens in BC? Because it's the only province where they're, I believe, where they're really a

00:20:37.540 force in elections, even if they're not a contender for power. Yeah, no, I think that's a genuine

00:20:42.500 possibility. Because, you know, two of the biggest issues for the Green Party voter is obviously the

00:20:48.960 environment and the drug crisis. And as Sonia first to now explained last night, their solution to solving

00:20:58.540 the drug crisis is to basically not just keep going with how we're going, but double down on it and

00:21:06.140 really, really dig into safe supply and, and that sort of thing. And on the carbon, and the issue with the

00:21:13.960 environment as well, like, not only keeping the carbon tax, but increasing policies like it. And so with EB's

00:21:22.380 flip-flop on those two issues, I think, yeah, there's a genuine chance that we could see more green support

00:21:27.840 this time around.

00:21:28.520 Well, you watched the debate last night. You know, take your Jared hat off for a moment. Pretend you're

00:21:38.300 a middle-of-the-road swing voter. You might vote NDP, you might vote Conservative. You're a wishy-washy

00:21:47.280 middle-of-the-road voter. From that perspective, who do you think came out on top in last night's

00:21:52.560 debate?

00:21:55.120 I would say it would have to be John Rustad, just because in a debate, you know, you're supposed to

00:22:01.180 talk about your opponent a little bit, but the focus should be on policy and, you know, issues in

00:22:10.040 the province. And I felt like David EB spent an outsized amount of time attacking John Rustad

00:22:16.160 personally on issues that really don't have a sway for the average British Columbia. Nobody cares what

00:22:24.880 he said on, you know, some podcast or whatever. They want to know what he's going to do to reduce

00:22:29.400 the cost of housing, right? And so this focus on, you know, John Rustad as a person, what he said in

00:22:37.000 the past, I just don't think it hits with the average voter.

00:22:41.160 All right. Jared Yeager, he is the Western Standards BC Bureau Chief and Managing Editor

00:22:49.420 of the West Coast Standard. Thank you for joining us today, Jared.

00:22:53.040 Thank you.

00:22:55.380 All right. Well, from one, you know, from straws and cocaine to wheat and barley, we're going to go

00:23:03.640 from an exciting election to a less exciting election, but it's still important to talk to.

00:23:10.240 Thank you. We're going to bring in the Western Standard Saskatchewan Bureau Chief and Managing

00:23:14.840 Editor of the Saskatchewan Standard. Chris, thanks for joining us.

00:23:20.700 The, I mean, we're calling this segment, Where Did Mo Go? You know, we chatted this morning

00:23:26.660 before the show.

00:23:27.780 Yes.

00:23:28.200 You know, what are the issues? And, you know, you're saying, I guess your opinion is one side

00:23:35.300 is doing something and the other side is just kind of laying low.

00:23:37.940 Yeah. Mo seems to have been in the witness protection program leading up to the announcement

00:23:43.240 of even the announcement of the election. And even on election day, when he announced

00:23:47.500 it, he did it up in Saskatoon. And then the rest of the day, he was, you know, at campaign

00:23:52.400 offices, which is apparently what he does every day after he does an announcement. He's only

00:23:56.640 been here to Saskatchewan. Sorry. He's been to Saskatoon twice. He's been to Regina twice.

00:24:02.360 Uh, and he was in Regina. When he was here, he did an announcement that was almost outside

00:24:08.740 of Regina. It was quite literally, uh, the announcement was on the city line. Uh, and he's

00:24:16.740 not been able to really get any momentum or steam. The Sask party knows that they are going

00:24:23.120 to win this election. Uh, it's not going to be in the, you know, the mid to high forties

00:24:28.480 where they were before. Uh, but they will still be in the high thirties. And for them,

00:24:32.620 this is just about keeping the ship going straight without, you know, without trying to create

00:24:39.340 many waves until election day.

00:24:41.640 Well, I was going to bring in, uh, Nigel and Corey for a second, but I'm going to hold

00:24:45.500 off a second because he just said something that surprises me. Um, I mean, traditionally you

00:24:50.240 could set your clock to it, uh, uh, you know, like daylight savings time, although that's

00:24:55.340 a touchy subject in Saskatchewan, but you know, uh, that, you know, it was, it's a safe province,

00:25:01.580 uh, for the Saskatchewan party, but the polls that I've seen show them neck and neck, uh,

00:25:06.980 within one point of each other. Uh, but you think this is still a slam dunk for the Saskatchewan

00:25:11.340 party? You don't think, um, we all know the NDP are going to gain more seats. They're going to,

00:25:15.420 they will have more seats at this than they did when they began, but you don't think the NDP

00:25:20.280 have a shot, a real shot of winning this one. Absolutely not. You're going to have to elaborate

00:25:25.940 on that one. Cause I have the, you know, I'm holding my breath. Uh, well, the polls that have

00:25:30.360 them close are done by a polling firm here in Saskatchewan that is known to have ties to the

00:25:34.420 NDP. First off, uh, if you look at the Angus Reid polls, the that's where the South party and the NDP

00:25:40.320 get separated. The one problem the NDP has is all their support is in Saskatoon and Regina. After you

00:25:48.220 go outside of there, you basically have only maybe two or three ridings that they're going to pick up

00:25:55.000 outside of those two cities. Uh, so they have very high support in cities, but the fact is in rural

00:26:01.200 Saskatchewan, it's green. And when I say green, I mean SAS party green, not the green party. Uh, and so

00:26:07.440 you will still see, I mean, it stranger things can happen. We still have a debate to go, uh, which is

00:26:14.460 next week. Uh, but, um, even the NDP, like people I talk inside, they're just like, they're hoping for

00:26:21.400 like 25 seats, best case type scenario. They're most likely going to be around 22, which still puts

00:26:27.140 them up from the 14 they had. And they did pick up two and by elections last year as well. So they

00:26:32.200 went from 12 to 14. Carla Beck is now, this is her first, uh, test as leader of the NDP in a

00:26:39.160 provincial election. Uh, so we'll see, she's much more likable, uh, than several previous NDP leaders

00:26:46.100 and people are, she's out there. Like, like today, the NDP has three separate announcements that

00:26:53.820 they're doing and Mo had one and, and they're just going out and they're just throwing statistics out

00:26:59.260 there of all the, like, basically this province is last for education and healthcare, uh, in terms of,

00:27:06.100 um, favorability in terms, and also in straight terms of how much they spend on certain things

00:27:12.420 and where the priorities are. And Carla Beck is just out there packaging a nicer present. However,

00:27:19.020 when you open that presence, you will be, um, disappointed because the SAS party has been doing

00:27:25.240 some of the same things already, such as their healthcare action plan, where they tried to hire

00:27:29.640 3000 nurses from the Philippines. So far they've hired less than 400 and they're almost through their

00:27:35.160 two-year plan. Carla Beck's out there saying she's going to fix healthcare, get doctors in rural areas. 0.98

00:27:42.960 But the fact of the matter is that's, that's going to be hard regardless who is in government

00:27:48.440 and changing the packaging to NDP is not going to change that scenario at all.

00:27:53.360 Now you said Scott Mo is just holding some kind of low profile events,

00:27:57.200 kind of at campaign offices. Um, but not really announcing much that's exciting. And I, I mean,

00:28:04.840 some of that's prior for the course, uh, Nigel, I mean, uh, he's, I think, is he going for the fourth

00:28:10.140 or fifth majority government here? This is, uh, better ask Chris that. Oh, Chris, is this the fourth or

00:28:16.600 fifth, uh, majority, uh, Saskatchewan government, uh, that he's running for here? Uh, this would be the

00:28:22.980 fifth straight government for the SAS party. If they would, that's fine. I mean, Nigel, there's,

00:28:28.120 there's not a lot of places in Canada, let alone the world. Canada has more one party states and

00:28:34.780 long runs of government than most places. Um, I mean, the only comparable one until recently was

00:28:40.760 the Alberta progressive conservatives until their collapse in 2015. Um, when you're running for your

00:28:46.960 fifth term and you've had majority four year terms, it's hard to be exciting. I mean, you're

00:28:53.660 going to be pretty boring. Um, but I mean, do you think this is boring going to sell for Moe? Like

00:29:01.660 playing Joe Moe, uh, is that going to sell or, you know, and people want that or do you think people

00:29:07.240 are just going to get kind of bored after you're going for your fifth term? That does happen with

00:29:11.420 people. But the thing is when you are competing for your fifth term, there's not much that you can

00:29:17.540 go out and promise because the response rather as it is in the case of the presidential election

00:29:25.200 down there, well, you've been there all this time. Why haven't you done it? So perhaps the, the,

00:29:30.880 the, the best strategy for Moe is to not say too much, not risk alienating people when you go out

00:29:38.920 there and just glad hand and be a good, uh, be a, be a good sport when you, when you, when you do get

00:29:45.540 reported. Um, Chris, uh, I mean, you know, there's a cons, Saskatchewan's doing a good job at emulating

00:29:54.700 the example of Alberta and having a constellation of smaller right-wing parties, um, you know, on the

00:30:00.840 right flank of the Saskatchewan party. Um, and I know there's been some realignment among them in the

00:30:08.000 immediate lead up to the election here. Uh, are any of those parties, I mean, there's Buffalo,

00:30:13.360 PC, SaskUnited, I think those are the main three. Yes, they are. Yeah. Yeah. Um, are, are we,

00:30:20.320 you know, is the general public hearing anything about them or are they really just kind of doing

00:30:25.860 their own thing over here? But, or is anything they're doing breaking through to the broader

00:30:29.780 discussion in the election? Yes. Uh, for the first time in the, in these,

00:30:34.940 for two of these parties, this is SaskUnited's first, uh, election. They were only, they only

00:30:41.440 participated in a by-election last year, uh, where their candidate finished second. Um, but

00:30:47.040 SaskUnited has money behind them. You can go around, they have multiple billboards up even here inside

00:30:53.000 of Regina. Uh, the Buffalo party as well, uh, is actually fairly well financed for this election,

00:30:59.260 uh, where they haven't been in the past. Uh, and a lot of it comes from the fact that there is very

00:31:05.380 unhappy people with the SAS party and, uh, how Mo has gone along with, uh, certain, uh, environmental

00:31:12.780 policies from the federal governments that are actually damaging communities because it involves

00:31:18.720 shutting down coal plants, uh, that are, you know, the main driver in some of these smaller towns

00:31:23.640 and the SAS United party and the Buffalo party. I was just an announcement the other day for the

00:31:28.520 Buffalo party. Uh, the Buffalo party wants to increase drilling while the Mo government wants

00:31:33.900 to reduce it. Uh, and they even want to get to the point where we can actually refine what we take out

00:31:38.680 of the ground here instead of sending it elsewhere to be refined as well. And SAS United has very similar

00:31:43.860 policies on that as well. They, they, they want to back away from all of the, uh, environmental

00:31:49.760 regulations that, uh, Saskatchewan has agreed to with the federal government so far.

00:31:53.520 Uh, Corey, I mean, you, we both have a background in the wild rose, but you go back even further.

00:32:00.240 You go back to when it was Alberta Alliance, but it was pretty, um, fringe is an unfair term playing

00:32:06.240 it's out there, but fringe in terms of polling support when it was, we, when it, before it caught

00:32:11.280 any fire at all, really. Yeah. We were locked at a four or 5% number for years. Yeah. Although that's

00:32:16.960 more than all those three probably combined. We had one MLA so we can get a little bit of profile.

00:32:21.280 Yeah. Um, you know, if you're advising, advising Scott Moe right now, uh, how to bring those voters

00:32:29.440 home to him. Cause it's, I mean, uh, hopefully Chris is right, but I, I've seen some much closer

00:32:36.880 polling and when it, when it's that close, you've got to bring home every vote. Um, oh God, that sounds

00:32:42.160 like a, a Polyev slogan. Uh, but you gotta bring those voters home to the conservative mothership.

00:32:46.560 The Saskatchewan party there. Um, if you're advising him, how would you, what advice would

00:32:51.200 you be giving Moe right now to bring, you know, Buffalo PC, uh, Sask United party voters home to

00:32:57.600 the Sask party, uh, without alienating more mushy swing voters in the middle?

00:33:02.880 Yeah, no, it's tough, but you got to look at what's drawn them into Sask United. I mean,

00:33:08.080 where are they getting the money for the billboards? Why is that changing? The turning point for the

00:33:11.840 Wildrose party was when Ed Stelmack, Alberta's premier took a run at the oil companies. Suddenly

00:33:17.440 we went from a fringe party with 3000 in the bank to a fringe party with six figures in the bank.

00:33:22.320 That was a giant turning point and allowed us to build momentum, get new supporters, supporters of

00:33:27.360 profile, get more refined campaigning going on. Had Stelmack quickly just stepped in and realized I

00:33:34.080 have gone on the wrong tact here. He could have reversed that flow and probably it would have let us,

00:33:38.480 you know, again, wither on the vine, but he stubbornly stuck to where he was at without

00:33:41.920 looking at why we were gaining momentum and it cost him in the end. I mean, it took some election

00:33:46.880 cycles, but Stelmack wasn't long as premier. So, uh, for Moe, I mean, you just don't be blinded.

00:33:52.160 Don't get stuck with domesies. Look at why people are rejecting you rather than, you know, thinking

00:33:56.480 they've made a mistake. I'd actually like to just piggyback on that for a sec. Um, the Sask United leader,

00:34:03.040 uh, John Romack, uh, he came from, he owned three oil companies. He just sold his third one.

00:34:08.720 And for example, he put $200,000 of his own money into Sask United last year.

00:34:14.080 Um, and other oil people are lining up with John because John owned the largest, uh, Saskatchewan

00:34:21.120 based, uh, oil company when he sold it. Now he sold it to an American company, but, uh, at the time

00:34:26.320 he was the CEO of the, and the owner part owner of the largest oil company that had their head office

00:34:31.760 in Saskatchewan. So, uh, I think last question, uh, on Saskatchewan here, uh, there's a debate coming

00:34:39.440 up, uh, between, uh, the two main party leaders. Uh, what are you expecting, uh, from each of them,

00:34:46.160 uh, going into the debate? Um, I think it has more to do

00:34:50.560 with who will be asking the questions, uh, which will be, you should ask the questions.

00:34:55.360 I tried, uh, unfortunately we get frozen out and, uh, CBC, CTV, global and post media,

00:35:01.040 um, who no one reads, um, get to, uh, be the ones asking the questions.

00:35:06.080 Um, and all three, all four of those, uh, organizations are essentially just the communications

00:35:13.440 team for the, uh, SaskNDP. Well, uh, CTV will have a harder time doctoring what Scott

00:35:19.520 most says, cause it's going to be live TV. It's hard to doctor live TV, uh, to make them,

00:35:24.720 you know, say, say something. Yeah. Well, you can have some like freeze frames or something

00:35:28.160 and make it kind of look like, uh, you're having some technical difficulties. Uh, but yeah,

00:35:32.320 it'll be a bit harder. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Uh, thank you. Uh, that's Chris Oldcorn,

00:35:38.560 Western standards, uh, Saskatchewan beer chief, managing editor of the Saskatchewan standard.

00:35:43.840 Thanks. All right. We're going to bring it, uh, closer to home. A story that, uh, was kind of

00:35:51.120 late breaking, uh, barely made it into the show, but, uh, Jennifer Johnson, she is the, uh, Alberta MLA 0.87

00:35:57.280 for Lacombe Pinocca. Uh, she was the UCP candidate in the last election, but she was

00:36:03.040 jettisoned kind of at the end of the campaign after some, I think it's fair to say clumsy remarks

00:36:09.120 that probably pretty poorly expressed some issues around trans kids and whatnot. Uh, but it was too

00:36:16.160 late to change the ballots and to replace the UCP candidate, the Roddy. So she was still listed as

00:36:20.800 the conservative candidate in Lacombe Pinocca. And as a result, she won her seat. Uh, but, uh,

00:36:26.560 she had to sit as an independent because that became a political liability for the UCP during

00:36:31.040 the election. She's been sitting as an independent this whole time, sitting in the Siberian section

00:36:36.320 of the legislature. Um, then, you know, we'll, uh, you could tell, you know, she was kind of expected

00:36:43.200 to go out and earn the support of some sexual minority groups, et cetera, show that, you know,

00:36:51.200 she's okay, et cetera. Uh, all of that seemed to change pretty quickly with, uh, some zoom meeting

00:36:58.560 she was doing with, uh, a biological trans, biological male trans woman. Uh, if that makes sense. Um,

00:37:08.080 and this person was just an absolute bully. Uh, he was a real arse and he, uh, just tried to bully her. 1.00

00:37:16.640 He was rude. He was patronizing and, uh, and she had, she comported herself extremely well. She 1.00

00:37:22.560 was respectful. She was calm, cool, collected. And I, I think it was that video right there

00:37:27.520 that crystallized it. And now, uh, we learned, uh, today that, uh, she has been admitted to the

00:37:33.840 conservative caucus. Uh, I'm sure on condition of good behavior, Nigel.

00:37:37.440 Well, uh, I'm not so sure myself that she was ever on bad behavior. And so the report,

00:37:46.160 if you want to know what she said, it's really hard to actually find what she's really said,

00:37:51.520 as opposed to what people say she said. There's a lot of things not in quotes

00:37:56.160 that try to summarize what she said, but not the actual quotes. They are out there. You can find

00:38:01.040 them. And as a matter of fact, we put them in a column just a couple of weeks ago. But at any rate,

00:38:06.640 I think that she was unfairly treated from the very, from the very start, but what, uh, really,

00:38:12.960 there's two things. One is that, uh, when she, uh, when they dropped her from the ticket,

00:38:21.520 everybody still voted for her. I mean, if somebody had said something truly egregious,

00:38:27.760 something that the whole electorate despised, she could have been sitting there on the ticket, 0.67

00:38:34.160 but nobody needed to vote for her. True. But people don't vote for local candidates. They

00:38:37.920 vote for parties. Well, she wasn't on the, she'd been dropped from the UCP ticket, but they still

00:38:43.520 voted for her. Mother Teresa could run for the NDP in, uh, you know, Olds, 0.71

00:38:49.200 Disbury Three Hills and she won't win. Uh, Hitler could run for the, uh, or Stalin could run for the NDP 0.97

00:38:57.440 in Strathcona center and would win. There is, of course, a reason why you're absolutely right.

00:39:02.560 Both of those people are dead. But in this particular instance, I, I, I think that she

00:39:07.760 reflected a feeling in the community that they were quite comfortable to see taken forward through

00:39:12.560 the legislature. Sure. But, but, you know, she wasn't independent. She would not win. No.

00:39:16.480 The second point is that, um, she, 1.00

00:39:25.200 she is a solid conservative. She can be relied upon to, to work with the government. And the, 0.68

00:39:37.120 the fact of the matter is that she's, um, she's going to be a reliable person. And so there's no

00:39:43.920 reason not to take her in. Clearly she was on the side that the government adopted when they said,

00:39:51.360 you know, maybe it's time that we put a stop to children having their genitals removed. 0.91

00:40:00.320 Okay. We're really up against the clock here. So we got to be quick, Corey, but just very quickly, 0.82

00:40:04.960 uh, you know, Danielle Smith had said, um, yeah, I, I'm not speaking out of turn because I guess this,

00:40:11.280 this came out today, she said at a town hall, but I've also heard from others of the government.

00:40:14.800 They didn't want to rush bringing her back because the legislation on, uh, around some trans issues

00:40:21.520 and making sure we're not transitioning kids before their adults will make decisions, that kind of

00:40:25.440 thing. They didn't want to bring her before that, because it could, it could be a distraction,

00:40:28.960 a political distraction to it. But here she is, uh, she's back in right before recession starts. 0.83

00:40:35.760 Um, I, I, I'm thinking that's because there was a city, you know, we wrote about it,

00:40:40.160 demanding she should be, she should be back in. Um, I think there was a lot of pressure coming out

00:40:44.720 of that, uh, video with the biological male trans woman, uh, and her, the exchange between, uh,

00:40:52.560 Jennifer Johnson and whoever that is, um, and, and the way she comported herself very well. 0.97

00:40:58.240 I think that created a lot of pressure on, uh, the leadership to bring her in.

00:41:01.360 Probably some, and they had to do something about it. They can't have her sitting for an 1.00

00:41:05.040 independent for the whole term. There's no better time to rip off the bandaid than right now that

00:41:09.760 she composed herself in that video that showed, she's not a patterned lunatic. She's not hateful.

00:41:13.760 Uh, the usual suspects will light their hair on fire, call the party transphobic, but they were

00:41:18.240 going to anyway. And she'll sit on the back bench for a while and it'll cool down and be forgotten.

00:41:23.200 And, uh, the woke mob will find somebody new to go after. 0.52

00:41:25.760 Okay. Our parting shots, whatever you're going to say, cut it by three quarters.

00:41:31.040 They got to be really short. Nigel, your parting shot.

00:41:34.240 Just a call out to Professor Whitteson, who's won a wrongful dismissal case against

00:41:39.120 Mount Royal University. Read about it in Barry Cooper's column in the Western Standard.

00:41:43.600 Thank you.

00:41:44.720 I miss John Chrétien. He'd drive me mad, but at least he was bright and his cabinet was bright.

00:41:51.040 Right now, I miss Justin Trudeau has surrounded himself with his intellectual peers in cabinet,

00:41:55.920 and I get embarrassed every time I see Jolie or Gerritson or anybody speak up.

00:42:00.160 It's not ideology I want to see in there. I don't care about the discourse.

00:42:03.360 Just get somebody smart for a change.

00:42:05.680 All right. And, uh, I'm going to, uh, have to take a shot at Pierre Polyev on this one.

00:42:11.360 Uh, having here at the Conservative Caucus voted with the Bloc Québécois and the NDP,

00:42:17.200 uh, for a block motion to increase the OAS, uh, and we'll get into the details of it,

00:42:22.800 uh, increasing the old age payments. This is not Canada pension plan where people pay into something

00:42:27.440 and then they get something out. This is, and I'm sorry to use an insensitive word,

00:42:31.840 a strict government entitlement program. They are taking money from young working people,

00:42:37.040 and this is the poorest, uh, in relative terms. Young people have never been poorer,

00:42:42.240 and older people have never been wealthier. And I know some of you at home are going to say,

00:42:46.560 I'm older and I'm not rich. Well, I know, but this is not a means-tested program. This isn't for the

00:42:52.080 poor old. This is for everybody. And, uh, I just think it showed really unprincipled leadership here,

00:42:58.160 and I hope the Conservatives reassess, uh, how they want to comport themselves on these kinds of things

00:43:02.880 going forward. Okay. Uh, I don't, I took the longest for my own partner shot, but it's my show.

00:43:08.720 I can do what I want. Uh, all right. Well, uh, thank you all for joining us here today. Uh,

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Western Standard - October 10, 2024

Terror rallies on Canadian streets

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