Western Standard - The Cory Morgan Show. April 29, 2021

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00:02:00.000 Good morning. Welcome to the Cory Morgan Show on this last day of April, year two of the plague.

00:02:17.240 We got a good one coming today. I've got Mark Petroni from Mississauga with Mississauga 960

00:02:25.400 Radio and Clinton DeVoe from Halifax coming on in about 15 minutes here we're going to talk about

00:02:31.080 federal issues it's really great when I get these guys to come on because you know we really need

00:02:35.260 to get those points of view from across the country I'm going to have to snag somebody in

00:02:38.560 BC to pop in for one of these as well but we really kind of run the gamut and get some perspectives

00:02:43.840 from you know each part of the country because you know we're all conservative minded but we've

00:02:49.100 got different views on how to get there and what to do and these discussions are important and

00:02:53.000 they're valuable and we can often be guilty in Alberta of creating our little conservative

00:02:57.080 echo chambers but we have to remember there are a lot of supporters and members of that party

00:03:01.600 in different parts of the country and it's great to be able to chat with them and see where things

00:03:06.940 are going. Unfortunately the conservative outlook in Canada doesn't look all that great in the near

00:03:10.800 future but we'll keep hammering on it and see if we can get some positive outcomes coming here.

00:03:15.260 After that I'm gonna have Michael Johns on. We had some technical issues last week and

00:03:20.040 he didn't get through, but he's going to be on today. He was one of the co-founders of the Tea

00:03:23.820 Party, a speech writer for the original George Bush there. He has written some books. He's an

00:03:31.900 interesting gentleman and he's, you know, very focused on populist style movements that'll

00:03:37.480 challenge the status quo, different ways to shake things up. You know, a lot of us are seeing that,

00:03:43.060 that frustration. We're butting our heads against the wall, trying through conventional means to

00:03:46.440 achieve change. Well, he's been very outspoken in support of Brexit, for example, in England,

00:03:51.680 and now he's turned his eye on Wexit and Western regionalist movements. It'll be interesting to

00:03:56.420 hear what he has to say or what he thinks on those kinds of things, and perhaps advice on

00:04:01.760 populism, regionalist types of movements. I mean, it's quite different than Tea Party,

00:04:06.180 but what they had there was a two-party system where they felt strangled, they felt their

00:04:10.540 Republican Party wasn't serving them, so they created a movement within the party. In Canada,

00:04:15.060 we just spawn new parties now which way is more effective or not it it's very debatable but it

00:04:20.020 will be uh a great conversation nonetheless so getting on to some of the things for this weekend

00:04:26.420 coming up uh most of you western standard regulars probably know about it but no more lockdowns rodeo

00:04:31.540 rally is coming up in the bowdoin area it's going to be tomorrow at one o'clock uh because they did

00:04:37.380 chase uh ty northcott who's putting this together uh away from uh his venue away from there in

00:04:43.460 in Bowdoin at the Agricultural Society. AHS came down on them, threatened them, you know,

00:04:48.320 with things like losing their charitable status and such. Tai kind of anticipated this. He already

00:04:53.840 had an alternative location set up. It's been interesting to watch. This is as purely Albertan

00:04:59.020 as it gets. He's setting up a pop-up rodeo. It's going to be on a piece of land somewhere within

00:05:04.600 25 minutes of Bowdoin. He's going to announce the exact location tonight. Rest assured, I'll be

00:05:09.820 tweeting that location uh you know so we can get out there have a good day uh as ty has told me too

00:05:15.160 you know make sure to bring a lawn chair you might want to bring some insect repellent i don't know

00:05:18.600 how it is everywhere else but in prittis the mosquitoes are getting bloody fierce so that

00:05:22.760 you can come out and have a good time and i i know people are worried you know they say it's

00:05:26.440 irresponsible look we can do these things responsibly we can express ourselves safely

00:05:32.400 you know if you get up in the morning you're not feeling well you know what don't go to a gathering

00:05:35.740 like this. Don't go there and crowd with other people shaking hands all over the place. If

00:05:40.120 you're uncomfortable with it, here's the big part that people have a lot of difficulty with. Don't

00:05:43.100 go. Don't go. You know, if you have a vulnerable, unvaccinated senior at home that you visit

00:05:48.720 regularly, don't go. You know, wait until you get your jabs. Wait until things calm down. But in 1.00

00:05:53.880 the meantime, those of us who are healthy, those of us who aren't vulnerable, those of us who've

00:05:57.960 been locked up for a year, want to get out and live again. And we want to support this industry.

00:06:02.500 I mean, the rodeo industry in Alberta is on death's doorstep.

00:06:06.100 They carry live stock.

00:06:07.460 That's the literal term for it.

00:06:09.360 They've been sitting on it.

00:06:10.540 The athletes, the animal athletes and the rodeo participants themselves, they're going broke.

00:06:15.720 And these are historic families, multi-generational families that have been putting on these rodeos, you know, for a century.

00:06:21.800 It's a part of Alberta and Western culture.

00:06:24.360 It's important to keep these things. 0.99

00:06:25.960 So Ty has said, to hell with you. 0.98

00:06:27.240 You can only bankrupt me once. 0.98

00:06:28.700 We're holding a rodeo.

00:06:29.780 and you know the thing that was really striking with it too was he put out the call and the

00:06:33.820 competitors list is full I mean it's packed there are it's got to be over 100 competitors he's got

00:06:39.300 every event going on there's got to be a 30 or 40 bull riders there's uh team roping uh bareback

00:06:45.480 bronc saddle bronc you got the works a whole whack of barrel racers too so if you like seeing the

00:06:50.940 ladies at the rodeo that's what you'll catch so yeah keep an eye on things tonight we'll get that

00:06:55.800 exact location. I know I'm going out. Derek's going out. You're going to see the whole Western

00:06:59.980 Standard team out there covering it. Hopefully we all have a good, safe time and just express

00:07:05.700 ourselves that, hey, we're not going to just sit back on these lockdowns. Now, I got to get on a

00:07:11.020 little bit more ranting. This screen share isn't the greatest here, but it's from a CTV news story

00:07:15.160 from yesterday. So Calgary, I mean, they've been doing great getting the vaccine out in some spots

00:07:19.440 with, they used the TELUS Convention Center in Calgary, and they used a big space in Edmonton

00:07:25.020 for people to get in from everything I've heard from people. It's very efficient. You get in,

00:07:28.740 you sign in, you run through it, you get your jab, you're out the door pretty quickly, but

00:07:33.080 something, and they said it's free parking. Well, the caveat was free parking for an hour,

00:07:38.400 and they kind of neglected to let people know that, and still as efficient as this was when

00:07:42.700 you're vaccinating thousands and thousands of people, getting in and out within an hour was

00:07:46.260 difficult. So the city of Calgary has issued about 1,400 parking tickets to people who went

00:07:51.440 downtown to get vaccinated. This is pure Calgary. This is pure. And Nietzsche, of course, was

00:07:56.740 unapologetic. This is something that people misunderstood the system. You know, you wonder

00:08:01.860 why downtown is moribund. And Calgary's downtown, for people who haven't been there lately,

00:08:06.160 it is dystopian. It is overrun with addicts. You could practically see tumbleweeds going down the

00:08:12.900 street. You still have to pay 30 bucks to park for a day down there, maybe 18 if you find a cheap

00:08:18.060 spot. The city still seems to think there's some sort of boom of people who want to go to the city

00:08:22.440 core. They're going to spend 200 million tax dollars, they just announced, to convert some

00:08:26.800 of those empty office towers into what will be empty apartment buildings, but at least we'll

00:08:30.900 spend the tax dollars to build those. They've got to understand that people need to want to come

00:08:35.140 down. I mean, they seem to feel that with this, if you build it, they will come. Well, there's a huge

00:08:39.280 surplus of condos downtown already. So what's the city doing? They're going to suck 200 million

00:08:44.720 dollars in tax money out of those of us who are still managing to work who are still managing to 0.78

00:08:49.140 pay taxes and they're going to build more condos and do things downtown maybe some more ugly public

00:08:53.740 art and bike lanes and they somehow feel that this will populate this downtown that they've

00:08:58.680 decimated over the last decade uh more of the same it's not going to end well but either way

00:09:04.040 watch it if you're going to go get vaccinated because the city will hit you with a parking

00:09:07.980 ticket. So your free parking will turn into $75 pretty quickly. Now, this was something that came

00:09:15.440 out, you know, infections are on the rise and it's infections. You know, one of the things before

00:09:20.880 everybody gets worked up, this plague, we're having in Alberta about five people a day dying

00:09:27.040 with COVID and it's tragic. And, you know, perhaps it was much earlier than they should have passed.

00:09:32.620 Maybe it's somewhat preventable. It's hard to say, but out of 4.4 million people, we have 75 people

00:09:37.320 a day die of regular causes on average. Okay. So the cases are up there, but the deaths are down.

00:09:42.600 And part of it is that a lot of the vulnerable and the seniors have been vaccinated. We prioritize

00:09:46.320 them and it's working. And that's really good news. Those who are going into care and going

00:09:52.100 into ICU, the ones that are tend to be a bit younger because the vulnerable have gotten their

00:09:58.040 vaccination. So I know we got a lot of people who have problems with vaccinations. I do believe in

00:10:02.320 them. Go out and get them. If you choose not to, by all means, choose not to. We'll get enough

00:10:06.180 people to get this thing out of the way. But in the meantime, what is questionable is whether

00:10:10.200 lockdowns work. I mean, we see a lot of evidence all over the place, all over the world of areas

00:10:15.420 where they got the harshest of lockdowns and their infections and deaths are as high as anywhere

00:10:19.360 else. And in other areas where they've let go, even though the doomsayers have lost, they're not

00:10:23.420 over it. There's not a problem. We saw that in Texas. We saw that in Mississippi. We saw that

00:10:28.400 in Florida. They all said it's going to go crazy. It didn't. Okay. And they say, oh, that's because

00:10:32.780 they got better vaccinations. Look, they had a heck of a lot fewer people vaccinated back when

00:10:36.520 they opened all those places up than we have in Alberta today. There are factors that are causing

00:10:40.920 the spread of this infection, but it's really questionable on just how much vaccine or not

00:10:46.160 vaccination, but lockdowns and measures will impact it or slow it. I think it's just government

00:10:50.220 vanity that they think they can stop anything through policy. Part of it is too, they're getting

00:10:54.480 pressure from all directions. People are screaming at them, do something, do something, do something.

00:10:58.180 So they want to feel like, or at least look like they're doing something. But sometimes maybe just

00:11:02.220 having the courage to say that we can't do anything about it might be a better course but

00:11:05.360 for Kenny to come out and increase some selective restrictions here and there yesterday that wasn't

00:11:10.000 so surprising but what really floored me was Kenny coming out saying they might bring in a curfew 0.98

00:11:14.140 no no kiss my ass you're really drawing a line in the sand now Kenny for one how on earth are 0.97

00:11:21.960 curfews going to change anything what are people going out dancing in the streets with each other 0.99

00:11:25.520 in the night or something curfews are the last last resort that curfews are the sort of things

00:11:30.120 what you do when you've got a literal revolution on your hands or you've got aliens invading or

00:11:34.160 you've got troops coming across the border. We got five people, six people a day dying

00:11:38.900 of something that's going downhill. Don't you dare impose curfews on us. And Kenny,

00:11:43.900 the man who campaigned on freedoms, the man who campaigned as a conservative,

00:11:47.660 is talking about curfews? You think Albertans are pissed off now? Bring in a curfew. See how that

00:11:53.840 goes. I was just floored and I've had it. I really have had it. This is the line. I really

00:11:59.440 wanted Kenny to do well. I was optimistic. I supported him in the leadership. I volunteered

00:12:05.340 on it. I don't have a membership in any party anymore. I like it this way. But I really wanted

00:12:09.640 him to come in and reform things. You know, what have we got? We've gotten spending going up. We've

00:12:12.760 got caucus revolutions going on and this bizarre crackdowns and ineptitude throughout the

00:12:19.280 government. So yeah, Drew Barnes, of course, he's come out and he's ripped into Kenny on the latest

00:12:24.920 lockdown measures on the curfew potential. And he had 17 people signing a letter, you know,

00:12:34.820 opposing the restrictions before a few weeks ago. That's growing. That's going to grow

00:12:39.620 exponentially. I don't know what Kenny thinks he's doing. This is not going to help. Again,

00:12:45.160 he's turning it into from a small caucus uprising into what's going to be a full revolution. You

00:12:49.000 know what? I'm at the point where I'm saying, go for it, guys. Go for it. You got two more years

00:12:52.180 till the next election. Sorry, Jason, you had your kick at the cat. We were optimistic. And you know

00:12:56.460 what? It turns out you sucked. You're doing a terrible job. You've got to move on. I appreciate 1.00

00:13:00.940 what you did in the federal government. You were a fantastic minister. You were great in opposition.

00:13:04.620 You were great with the Taxpayers Federation, but you've turned out to be a terrible premier.

00:13:09.180 It's time to step aside. We gave you a chance. We really thought you'd be different. We were

00:13:14.520 unfortunately wrong. And that's where it goes. So here it goes again. You have with the story on

00:13:19.800 on Ty Northcott. As they say, he's playing cat and mouse with the AHS and RCMP over the lockdowns

00:13:26.260 rodeo. They're trying to find the location of where he's going to hold it. It's going to be

00:13:29.320 difficult to block. What he had told me, I did talk to him on the phone the other day,

00:13:34.100 is he's got a portable rodeo ring. Well, that's what he does for a living. He organizes and runs

00:13:38.480 rodeos. It's a portable one. It's in the trailers. It's at the site and it takes about three hours to

00:13:43.100 set it up. So the word's going to come out tonight with where it is, the hundreds of people who bought

00:13:46.980 tickets and plus you can buy tickets at the gate folks they're coming out there's going to be

00:13:51.140 caterers there was a mom's diner in red deer put out some mouth-watering pictures on facebook

00:13:55.860 uh showing all of these briskets and uh pork loins and such that they're smoking they're closing for

00:14:02.340 three days they're going to be catering this along with a number of other people so don't worry about

00:14:05.960 food again bring some water bring some sunscreen bring a lawn chair don't bring yourself if you're

00:14:10.220 feeling sick that's just being foolish but come on out have a good time do something that's purely

00:14:14.620 Albertan, support this small business. And again, this is the way to kind of send the message to 0.96

00:14:20.000 the government that yeah, we're just not going to sit back and take this any longer. Let's get to

00:14:26.480 the federal front quickly before I get to the federal guests here. So yeah, Bill C-10 Gabal

00:14:32.060 says internet crackdowns must reflect the government's vision. Like this language is

00:14:38.000 terrifying. It's dangerous. I mean, people trying to soft sell this and they're out there,

00:14:42.540 apologists guys this is free expression this is free speech the amount of fundamental freedoms

00:14:48.540 we have set aside in this year has been staggering and terrifying that's why i'm losing it over yes

00:14:54.540 this proposed curfew out of kenny but this bill to start controlling exactly what we're doing today

00:15:00.220 having an alternative source of media one that doesn't have canadian tax dollars dangling in

00:15:05.900 front of it to make us toe the line you know one that won't be able to bully us push us around 0.99

00:15:11.780 They want us to conform to as you see in his quotes government vision kiss my ass 0.99

00:15:17.260 I don't share your vision. I won't let you tell me what to say. You're just gonna create a dark web 0.99

00:15:23.160 You're gonna find ways we find ways. It'll be like trying to plug a strainer

00:15:26.660 We're gonna leak out the sides and we're only gonna get angrier and this even comes down to cracking down now on

00:15:33.120 Small broadcasters. There was one article I read with an example

00:15:36.440 I think it was Rex Murphy who wrote it of a woman who just some sort of workout videos or exercise videos

00:15:41.080 Well, she's suddenly going to fall under these controls and perhaps it'll fall the wrong way.

00:15:44.240 It's CRTC type controls as if you were a major media outlet to these YouTube producers.

00:15:49.780 It's ridiculous, and it's frightening, and people have to understand how dangerous this is.

00:15:55.520 If you want to see one of the first things an authoritarian government always does, 0.94

00:15:58.460 it's control information, control speech, and these guys are doing it brazenly in front of our faces.

00:16:03.980 We have to push back.

00:16:05.320 Unfortunately, the leader of the opposition is a house plant, 1.00

00:16:07.840 And we're not going to get any good opposition from that front. 0.99

00:16:11.500 All we can think is he might be a little more benign while he controls our speech, because

00:16:14.800 I'm certain, as with the carbon tax, he'll eventually come around with his own internet

00:16:19.040 crackdown if he ever does become prime minister.

00:16:21.160 But I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

00:16:23.520 But we will be covering that a bit with our guests very shortly here.

00:16:27.540 And finally, just one thing to share the rage with everybody.

00:16:30.340 Look, we had all parties getting together on something.

00:16:33.100 They all did agree that Payette had an outrageous pension and we should strip that crazy pension for her because it was outrageous that she had this giant expense account for having been a person who's really in a high-profile token job and that the pension is massive for it.

00:16:49.160 Well, that's great, but the problem is you still give that pension to every one of these governor generals.

00:16:53.100 You still give that expense account to every one of them. 0.98

00:16:55.580 I mean, it turns out that Payette was an insufferable bitch, and that's why you guys are comfortable in cracking down on her, and that's fine. 1.00

00:17:02.080 but we got to reform some bigger things in a lot bigger way than just her. 0.99

00:17:06.220 I guess it's a good start though,

00:17:07.500 that you'll at least accept that one of these governor generals wasn't worth the

00:17:11.160 nickels we gave her in the first place. She did more damage than good. Okay. 1.00

00:17:14.740 I think I've worked up a good head of steam.

00:17:16.860 I'll move on to our guests here so they can add some less worked up conduct.

00:17:22.680 Well, we'll see.

00:17:24.000 And we'll start talking about some federal issues with Mark Petroni,

00:17:28.280 as i said from am 960 in mississauga and clinton devoe out in halifax we've got people uh across

00:17:36.040 the country here how are you doing today guys i'm doing great cory how are you i'm good actually

00:17:43.080 as much as i sound angry all the time it's therapeutic for me it gets it out of my system 0.98

00:17:47.000 yeah you've got a full head of steam going man i tell you you all this kiss my ass stuff you're uh 0.99

00:17:52.760 you're on fire today my friend well i mean i you know if you want to get me worked up 0.99

00:17:57.800 bring in legislation to infringe on my freedoms i'm not messing with you today i will not be

00:18:03.000 messing with you corey great but thank you guys so much for for coming on with me today there

00:18:09.880 though it's uh like i said this is i think the third time we've had you on and people really

00:18:13.800 appreciate it they do uh because there is so much to cover and there are different points of views

00:18:18.760 going on and getting you and Clinton to come on and cover these things is appreciated out here.

00:18:25.640 And maybe again, it'll help us to try and figure out how we can fix this mess we've got as a

00:18:29.960 political system right now. It looks like Clinton's having a tech issue or two there. But either way, 0.97

00:18:35.880 the O'Toole train wreck just carries on and rolls ahead. How are things looking from your point of

00:18:41.960 view? What are your listeners saying? What do things look like on the federal front there?

00:18:45.880 Well, I think you'll know when Aaron hits rock bottom, Corey, when he becomes a born-again conservative. And we're actually seeing a few indicators here. When he actually came out and raised an issue which you raised during your broadcast earlier, your transmission earlier, rather, which is around the attack on free speech through Bill C-10.

00:19:08.420 I mean, you point out, and accurately so, and correctly so, that this is an attack not just on the big tech guys, the Googles of the world, the Twitters of the world, the Facebooks.

00:19:18.320 That's what Stephen Gibault, the Minister of Heritage, would like you to believe.

00:19:22.740 But we know that that's not the case, that they've inserted this Trojan horse.

00:19:26.520 It essentially puts these big tech players on the hook for basically policing internet posts by people like yourself and myself and many others, even social media posts, presumably even what a picture of somebody's cat or somebody's meme would somehow become under the scrutiny of somebody at Google because they would then have to administer or have to enforce the Broadcasting Act due to these changes that are proposed.

00:19:56.520 it's really scary stuff.

00:19:58.820 Canadians should wake up. 0.93

00:20:00.560 And so it was nice, since you mentioned Aaron O'Toole,

00:20:03.480 that it was nice to see that he has finally stood up

00:20:06.200 and made mention of that in the House,

00:20:07.980 attacking the government, attacking Stephen G. Beau

00:20:11.140 for what is basically an attack on free speech.

00:20:13.800 Now, earlier we had seen people like Pierre-Paul Yev

00:20:16.840 raised the issue and others,

00:20:18.300 including some MPs from out West,

00:20:20.720 but precious little from O'Toole.

00:20:22.040 So the fact that he now thinks,

00:20:23.700 yeah, this is a safe time for me to raise this issue,

00:20:26.500 I guess, is a positive sign. But apart from that, the polling continues to be dismal.

00:20:31.260 Although I did see a poll from 338, which is, as you know, an amalgam of a bunch of different polls

00:20:37.000 that only had the Tories a couple of points back. I don't believe it because too many other polls

00:20:41.640 from people like Ipsos and Angus Reid and Leger have had the Tories double digits back.

00:20:48.560 So I don't believe that Aaron O'Toole is making much in the way of traction at all. I think the

00:20:52.680 only saving grace for him is if there's no election in June. And it now does look that way. It doesn't

00:20:57.540 look like we're going to be headed to an election, at least until September, Corey. Yeah, in a sense,

00:21:03.680 I mean, the raging of the infections in Ontario and Alberta have been a saving grace for O'Toole

00:21:09.760 because it's spared him from going to the polls right away by some time until fall before it

00:21:16.100 happens. But whether he can actually turn that ship around or anything by then is very

00:21:19.720 questionable indeed. So Clinton's joined us here from Halifax. Thank you very much for coming on

00:21:25.560 again, Clinton. And yeah, we were just kind of laying out the landscape on the federal front

00:21:29.900 here to get things rolling. Well, first of all, I want to say good morning to you and your

00:21:33.920 viewers all over Alberta. Hey, Clinton. Good morning. How are you, Mark? Excellent. Excellent.

00:21:41.700 Excellent. Yeah. So I look, I generally agree with the points that Mark just made in regards to

00:21:49.420 the polling data uh as that as that body of of polling data expands from a various number of

00:21:57.660 polling firms you know we are seeing uh the conservative party back by double digits

00:22:06.460 when we look at the regional breakdown in british columbia uh manitoba ontario quebec

00:22:14.780 Atlantic Canada you know we're seeing that same thing where the Liberals are

00:22:20.000 leading and in most cases it's deep into the double digits so look the

00:22:26.660 Conservatives are in trouble and I think that in fact I know after speaking with

00:22:34.240 multiple party staffers executive assistants to MPs organizers on the

00:22:42.620 ground that there is a movement of foot to essentially plan the next leadership

00:22:48.360 race and so to me that's the more interesting aspect of this discussion is

00:22:53.420 you know what happens after the next election you know is there anyone from

00:23:00.200 Atlantic Canada for example that could potentially go after the leadership race

00:23:07.560 and I would argue that it that there does doesn't seem to be anybody you know

00:23:13.740 there's the possibility of maybe a Bernard Lord former premier of New

00:23:17.160 Brunswick fully bilingual you know experienced guy but based off of you know

00:23:26.360 I'm sure Peter McKay would be the first one to sit down with Bernard Lord and

00:23:30.680 and tell them just how complicated a journey it really is in order to win the

00:23:36.560 Conservative Party leadership race specifically for someone that's Atlantic

00:23:41.420 Canadian you know when I look at Quebec I don't see right now necessarily anyone

00:23:51.920 in Quebec that would be positioned you know there's maybe a Meru Dumas former

00:23:58.460 provincial leader the ABQ but again you know that's someone who's more or less

00:24:04.220 walked away from the political scene for 15 years now you know if we look into

00:24:12.140 Ontario obviously the most likely person would be a peer poly of peer poly of you

00:24:21.740 know he is you know he's fluently bilingual he's quick on his feet so he

00:24:27.500 has that ability to to do what Peter McKay does in the House of Commons and

00:24:32.020 with the media coming up with quick sound bites uh and a guy like pauliev is known to embrace a

00:24:40.580 lot of those free enterprise ideas that uh that max bernier used to espouse uh before mr bernier

00:24:48.820 went off the rails um you know when i look at at the prairies i really don't see anybody you know

00:24:57.140 you hear talk about uh garnett genois but uh this is a guy that uh you know was filmed by the media

00:25:08.100 uh pouring alcohol in red solo cups to female staffers uh on parliament hill so it's clear

00:25:17.780 he's clearly not a guy that has good judgment and uh you know he's another guy that's flip-flopped

00:25:23.300 on a whole host of issues so you know one minute he's uh he's uh he's against the carbon tax the

00:25:30.280 next minute he's in favor of a carbon tax the next minute nobody knows so i don't think anybody wants

00:25:36.860 him on the public dime and i really don't see anybody on the ground in bc so there is a name

00:25:44.760 that uh would be interesting i mean obviously pauliev is a is a big one pauliev does make

00:25:52.680 mistakes from time to time he he does dip his toe into what i like to call the poison waters of

00:25:58.440 social conservatism um and so you know i think if he stays away from that kind of thing and and

00:26:06.280 focuses on free enterprise and uh the economy that that's really where his uh that's really

00:26:15.400 who he is basically uh and you know there's some surprises out there i would not be surprised if

00:26:21.720 ben mulrooney um former son of prime minister brian mulrooney uh were to express some interest

00:26:29.800 And that, you know, this is a guy that is involved in the private sector.

00:26:37.820 He has a successful cannabis business connected to CBD oils.

00:26:43.160 I'm sure that would rub a lot of a lot of social conservatives the wrong way.

00:26:48.960 Mind you, he's a guy who is bilingual.

00:26:51.860 He's obviously well connected in in central Canada and he has deep media connections.

00:26:59.800 so right now the future as far as i'm concerned looks really shaky uh for the conservative party

00:27:07.160 you know especially with an impending liberal majority uh you know if o'toole goes down to

00:27:13.480 defeat and and the tories get swept from ontario then there is a possibility that someone like

00:27:19.120 pierre polyev may go down to defeat as well um so things are not looking good from my perspective

00:27:27.080 at all. Well, no, we're sitting in a frustrating place right now where I'm seeing most discussion,

00:27:32.280 the only discussion now looking ahead to whenever the election might be is whether or not Trudeau

00:27:36.000 is going to get a minority or majority. They've pretty much written the conservatives off as a

00:27:40.340 contender in this, and that's really depressing. But we don't, as in going, we can go further into

00:27:46.980 the leadership candidates, but just with what they got and what they can do right now, we spoke a

00:27:51.520 little earlier, you know, Paulyev at least has been a bit of a pit bull. I've seen people referring

00:27:54.900 to him saying he's the official leader of the opposition uh even in every way except for title

00:28:00.180 and he's been vocal on c10 you know i mean this should be a meat and potatoes conservative issue

00:28:05.300 this is a personal freedoms issue this isn't tied in with the pandemic or dividing people it's free

00:28:09.940 speech they should be out with all guns blazing yet they seem to be having a few individuals

00:28:15.460 hitting it on the sides but the leadership again is let miss slide by and no tools just drifting

00:28:20.500 along doing what he will like what do you think they should latch on to mark to try and get some

00:28:24.660 some momentum here? I mean, they've bought a few months now. Is there something they can do?

00:28:28.660 The party has demoralized, Corey. I mean, that's the unfortunate part of all this. It just seems

00:28:34.260 like the party is listless. A lot of conservatives feel that the party has basically abandoned

00:28:41.540 the very core issues that they've defended. I mean, just imagine this whole carbon

00:28:46.760 levy. You want to call it, I mean, it's a carbon tax. I mean, let's face it.

00:28:50.200 I mean, that really took the steam out of a lot of conservatives' desire to fight the

00:28:55.540 liberals, because after all, they've been attacking this carbon tax, the liberal carbon

00:29:01.180 tax, including the increases in this tax for years.

00:29:06.540 And so for all of a sudden, for a conservative party leader to come out and say, yeah, we're

00:29:11.200 going to do the same thing, except a little different.

00:29:13.240 We're going to do it better.

00:29:14.520 And we're going to have the corporate sector doing it, collecting.

00:29:17.620 We're not going to actually collect money from it.

00:29:19.220 Nobody's buying it, Corey. Everybody's looking at this and it really torpedoed the party's base.

00:29:26.400 It really has a lot of conservatives thinking, what the hell is this guy up to? How can you on

00:29:31.180 one day attack the carbon tax and on another day say, yeah, you know what? We're going to do the

00:29:36.960 same thing, except a little differently. And so now conservatives are looking around and a lot

00:29:42.680 of them, frankly, are maybe weighing their options. Maybe there's a libertarian in their

00:29:47.420 community that they could vote for. Maybe they could vote for Max's party, you know, the People's

00:29:53.700 Party of Canada. Maybe that's an option. I mean, I've noticed that all of a sudden their polls,

00:29:58.360 their polling has seen them go up a little bit. I mean, we're not talking about huge increases,

00:30:02.260 but all of a sudden they're up to three and a half percent from two percent. You know,

00:30:05.640 could that be an area of growth for the party as conservatives really begin to wonder whether or

00:30:11.200 not conservatives, the conservative party has abandoned conservatives, you know, policies and

00:30:16.400 and programs and stuff that they had long defended

00:30:19.360 and principles.

00:30:20.540 So this has been a real problem.

00:30:22.400 I think this freedom issue could be a sleeper,

00:30:26.060 surprisingly among a lot of young people.

00:30:28.020 A lot of young people are constantly online.

00:30:30.760 And I think this could trigger a bit of a revolt

00:30:33.200 amongst a group of Canadians that normally

00:30:35.580 maybe doesn't pay a whole lot of attention to politics,

00:30:38.860 but this could really spark a blaze under them.

00:30:41.720 A lot of young people are quite libertarian in their views.

00:30:44.580 They may think they're liberals 0.98

00:30:45.700 because they've been fed a bunch of crap from the media 0.99

00:30:47.820 for year in, year out and academics 0.99

00:30:50.760 that's suggesting that being a leftist

00:30:53.700 is a cool thing to do.

00:30:55.220 But at their core, they wanna be free

00:30:57.020 to post whatever the hell they want online

00:30:58.860 without having government oversight or regulatory oversight.

00:31:02.700 So it wouldn't surprise me if that starts to light a fire

00:31:05.500 under more and more people who would otherwise

00:31:08.300 just kind of sleep through the political cycle

00:31:11.520 and not pay too much attention.

00:31:13.100 But this may be something that the conservatives could latch onto, should latch onto, whether

00:31:18.740 they're actually going to do it, I really don't know.

00:31:20.980 Because after the carbon tax flip-flop, Cory, I just don't know whether to trust Aaron.

00:31:26.580 I know.

00:31:27.280 I could never trust this guy.

00:31:29.160 He has to go.

00:31:30.300 At some point, Aaron O'Toole has to either be pushed out voluntarily or not, or he has

00:31:38.000 to lose and unfortunately leave the party in a position of having to go through yet another

00:31:42.680 leadership review find somebody fresh to throw somebody in there who is once again able to

00:31:48.680 revitalize the base and bring back some enthusiasm into the conservative party because right now i am

00:31:54.680 not seeing it so i just wanted i corey i just need to jump in in regards to a couple of points

00:32:01.000 that mark me you know like in regards to carbon tax um and i know that i'm an outlier on this with

00:32:08.920 a lot of uh conservative thought look i happen to prefer the the liberal government's position

00:32:16.200 on this over the conservative party's position on this and i'm not afraid to say that either

00:32:20.920 and the reason that i do personally is that i'm i don't believe that a conservative government

00:32:29.560 is going to be able to create 38 million individual uh accounts for every canadian

00:32:37.160 in this country and quite frankly i fundamentally disagree with the idea that i have to purchase

00:32:44.920 items from a pre-approved government list i have some strong uh concerns about that

00:32:53.400 uh and then the third point in regards to why i think the conservative party carbon tax

00:33:00.760 uh their position on it is a joke uh in relation to the government is that uh imagine all of the

00:33:09.400 companies and businesses from british columbia to newfoundland and all points in between

00:33:15.480 that are going to be calling on politicians of all political stripe to get their items their

00:33:23.320 manufactured goods on this pre-approved list the kind of back scratching that's

00:33:30.280 going to go on around this I would much prefer the Liberal government's position

00:33:34.880 where at the end of the year you know I pay my income tax and then I get a

00:33:39.220 percentage or all of it or however the breakdown is back I think this

00:33:45.260 consumers distributing catalog model is a disaster in the making quite frankly

00:33:51.640 Yeah, well, I mean, pretty much everybody agrees that O'Toole's carbon tax plan is a dog. It's no good. If you like carbon taxes, the liberals have a better carbon tax. And if you don't like carbon taxes, you still get one out of O'Toole. So it's lose-lose. He's not gaining anybody out of this thing. He's just infuriating them. And as you said, his plan would create a bureaucracy like none we've seen since the failed long gun registry, which I'm sure is going to be something they'll bring

00:34:21.620 back at well I mean Cory to your point so if we look back at sort of the

00:34:30.280 financial boondoggle that the gun registry was in Canada that was for a

00:34:37.500 relatively small number of Canadians now in this case we're not talking about a

00:34:42.880 small number of Canadians we're talking about creating a a carbon account for

00:34:48.740 38 million individual Canadians like this is a much more cumbersome much more

00:34:56.580 bureaucratic much bigger government program to your point that we have ever

00:35:02.540 seen in my lifetime well there are 30 30 adults though Clint it wouldn't be 38

00:35:08.000 million I mean let's face that's how many people there are in the country

00:35:10.580 including kids and killing infants including you know 99 year olds which I 0.80

00:35:15.580 suppose could still have an account but you know what I'm saying we're just

00:35:18.140 don't think it's I don't think is it 38 million it can't possibly be well I mean 1.00

00:35:23.300 to your point yeah fair enough like people that are not of the legal age at

00:35:29.180 18 let's say I'm assuming that they're gonna be removed from that but we're

00:35:33.200 still talking about you know 20 some million accounts I mean it's it to me

00:35:39.620 it's just completely unworkable and I I think it's ridiculous that there are

00:35:47.320 politicians and in this case in the Conservative Party that want to decide

00:35:52.700 for us what items we are going to be able to purchase from this pre-approved

00:35:57.340 list I mean I just think it's I think it's insulting and I think it's 0.55

00:36:01.360 ridiculous and I think it's a boondoggle in the making a giant white elephant

00:36:06.940 yeah well and I don't think we're gonna have to sweat that tax ever coming in 0.92

00:36:11.300 because it's looking pretty clear that O'Toole's just not gonna become the

00:36:14.300 prime minister. And I suspect whoever replaces them as one of the first things they're going

00:36:18.340 to chuck out because obviously it was a terrible, terrible attempt at policy. But, you know, I want

00:36:23.120 to dig a little further on what, again, could be a wedge issue that Mark was talking about. I mean,

00:36:28.300 we've got the TikTok generation, you know, there's guys who are infatuated with gamer broadcasters

00:36:34.560 and, you know, local sports broadcasters, all sorts of niche individual broadcasts on Twitch,

00:36:41.100 on TikTok, on YouTube and all over. And it's all under threat. And this is a normally passive

00:36:47.460 population of young people who are indifferent to elections. But if you want to hit home to one of

00:36:53.620 their bigger areas of love, you might suddenly inspire these guys to get off their butt. As 0.99

00:36:57.600 Mark said, they aren't necessarily all liberals if they're young. I mean, in the late 90s,

00:37:02.120 we had the South Park Conservatives coming up. You know, these were libertarian minded people.

00:37:06.680 They weren't socially conservative, but they certainly respected individual rights and just the right to be able to tell anybody where to go when they want to.

00:37:15.160 Look, I agree with you that there is a large generation of people like that throughout the country.

00:37:22.720 I agree with both of you on that point.

00:37:24.300 in fact uh the problem that i see is that it's this discussion that we keep having every so many

00:37:30.620 years is that in order to win the leadership of the conservative party of canada a candidate has

00:37:40.860 to essentially go out of their way to appeal to a large segment of voters that are focused on

00:37:50.140 those so-con issues and so yes i agree that there's a libertarian wing within the conservative party

00:37:56.860 uh but i would argue that unfortunately that it's it's in a minority as far as the overall

00:38:02.300 numbers of the of the party itself goes and so in order to win uh you have to appeal to as i've

00:38:10.860 commonly referred to it as the morality brigade and uh that if you know that's one of the problems

00:38:19.100 is that if someone is not naturally a a if someone doesn't naturally have social conservative

00:38:26.620 tendencies and they have to appeal to that critical mass of people to win the leadership race

00:38:33.580 once they've won the race and they have to sort of try and pivot in order to communicate to canada

00:38:40.860 at large then it leads to these questions about you know flip-flopping

00:38:48.540 manipulating the base you know this kind of thing and and look I I've been

00:38:54.180 obviously very critical of mr. O'Toole but that is part of the problems that

00:39:01.080 mr. O'Toole has had let's not kid ourselves I mean he pretended that he

00:39:05.180 He was this sort of radical social conservative, and he was also a fiscal conservative and a libertarian.

00:39:13.820 And then as soon as he won the leadership of the party, you know, he starts excommunicating the SOCONs from the party, which leads to this giant sort of internal party war.

00:39:27.340 Yeah, it's because, I mean, leadership's a balancing act, though.

00:39:31.120 You don't just pay lip service to every one of those factions within a conservative movement, because that's reality.

00:39:35.720 There's always going to be those factions.

00:39:37.720 You have to make them comfortable.

00:39:39.360 I mean, I think the only way to win them is to have them all trust you.

00:39:42.480 You have to let the social conservatives trust you to know that you will protect their freedoms, to go to church services, to lead your life as you please.

00:39:51.040 And you have to let the libertarians feel comfortable, no, we're not going to impose moralistic laws upon you.

00:39:56.340 And a true leader can pull that off.

00:39:58.440 We just haven't seen one in a long time.

00:40:00.260 A name that hasn't popped up, maybe, have you heard anything from Leslyn Lewis in Ontario, Mark?

00:40:05.020 That was an interesting candidate in the last leadership.

00:40:07.820 She seems to have kind of faded away, though, in not having a seat.

00:40:11.440 Well, that's because she is part of the very faction that Clinton was just talking about.

00:40:15.160 She is a social conservative.

00:40:17.420 I've spoken to Leslyn Lewis. 0.93

00:40:19.580 I think she's a very smart lady. 0.79

00:40:21.600 I think she's a very principled lady.

00:40:23.020 But I don't think she's feeling particularly comfortable in that party right now,

00:40:27.800 especially after what happened with Derek Sloan.

00:40:30.260 I mean, to your point, yeah, you have to appeal to as broad a cross-section of society as possible. 0.96

00:40:36.920 But silicons are not stupid. 0.58

00:40:38.820 They know that a lot of people don't agree with them. 0.94

00:40:41.340 They also understand the political realities of trying to appeal to that particular segment of society and thereby alienating the rest of society. 0.97

00:40:51.680 They understand what they don't want to be treated like is the way that Aaron O'Toole treated them, which is like fools. 0.96

00:40:57.540 Aaron O'Toole reached out to them he sucked up to them he said you know you 0.97

00:41:01.980 could trust me I'm like that red Tory over there you know Peter McKay you 0.65

00:41:06.780 can't trust him Peter was open he said look I am what I am I'm pro-choice I am

00:41:11.940 not going to change the laws so he was upfront he was honest about it O'Toole 0.63

00:41:16.980 was a little more sly right so he went to those people and he sucked up to them

00:41:22.740 he managed to get them on side he got their votes got their support and what 0.78

00:41:26.460 did he do when he became a leader? He booted Derek Sloan out. A few months after, he won

00:41:31.260 the leadership. And now, Leslie Lewis, you don't hear from her very much. I mean, hardly

00:41:36.220 surprising, isn't it? I don't blame Leslie Lewis for not wanting to be particularly vocal.

00:41:41.760 And frankly, on one hand, the O'Toole people like somebody like Lewis because she represents,

00:41:47.860 you know, she's black, she's a woman, she's the kind of people you want to, you know,

00:41:52.160 welcome into the party. But on the other hand, they're uncomfortable because of her views 1.00

00:41:55.560 about abortion and so they're kind of up to mine so i think at this point they probably said to

00:42:01.240 leslie you know what stay in the shadows we'll bring you out every now and again when it comes

00:42:05.640 time to showing everybody what a diverse party we is we are and then you can go back into the

00:42:11.000 shadows and shut up and you know go along to get along so that's the situation with less than lewis

00:42:17.240 but i want to talk a little briefly about the thing you raised earlier and which which we spoke

00:42:21.560 about which was bill c10 because that is a sleeper issue if aaron o'toole wants to open the tent to

00:42:28.280 all these young people in the gta this is an issue that cries out for him which is it's like a giant

00:42:34.280 neon sign which says hey aaron you know we're here we're probably going to support the idea that this

00:42:40.600 bill sucks and if you're going to oppose this bill who knows you could probably get a few votes here

00:42:45.800 you know it's like a giant sign it's saying here we are aaron come and get us so he's dipped his 0.99

00:42:52.520 toe into this thing pauliev did it a lot earlier than he did and a few other mps from out west

00:42:57.800 they've talked about it as well but the erin o'toole here's an opportunity for you to show

00:43:02.840 everybody what a freedom-loving individual you are even though we know you're not i mean check

00:43:07.880 check this out for a minute here's a story in black locks reporter an internet advocacy group

00:43:13.160 yesterday blitzed mps with thousands of protest emails over a cabinet bill to censor youtube

00:43:21.800 and so here it is a group uh i know these people i've dealt with them when i was commissioner of

00:43:26.760 the crtc open media of vancouver we're outraged our government is trying to take so much power

00:43:34.200 over our speech that's matthew hatfield campaign director of this group based on the west coast

00:43:41.080 he called the legislation one of our most important fights since open media was founded

00:43:47.160 decade ago they spent thousands they sent thousands of emails to mps to make to make

00:43:52.040 sure that they understand just how unhappy they are i mean you've got an entire generation of

00:43:57.480 people who are now able to vote that have been raised on the internet had been weaned on a free

00:44:02.760 internet now being told no you know what it's going to be regulated now we're going to keep an

00:44:07.400 eye on your social media posts on your videos and if we don't like it then we're going to rely on

00:44:13.320 big tech to you know either de-platform you or pull those videos for reasons we deem appropriate 0.98

00:44:19.320 that sucks that's a sleeper issue and i'm telling you if erin o'too had even a half a brain in his

00:44:24.360 head he would appeal to young people here in the gta in vancouver and calgary and halifax right 0.99

00:44:30.200 across this country and say we're going to stop this dead in its tracks just vote for me

00:44:34.120 well mark may be on to something when it comes to appealing to younger voters in fact and one

00:44:41.480 of the reasons for that is because uh when we look at the polling data that's come out recently

00:44:47.400 and mark and i talked about this on his radio show on saga uh 960 was that there buddy yeah

00:44:55.320 what was that uh historically the conservative party generally wins uh from people that are 55

00:45:03.080 years of age and older but what recent polling data has shown is that the liberals are actually

00:45:10.600 leading in uh that age group of people who are 55 years of age and older so if the conservatives

00:45:19.480 lose their sort of historical age group when it comes to elections then they need to find a way

00:45:26.840 to appeal uh to a younger audience that would not necessarily always vote for them and we know that

00:45:35.560 there's a large body of first-time voters that are going to be able to vote in this next general

00:45:44.280 election and so you know finding a position or pivoting in such a way that you could attract

00:45:52.360 a large number of young voters would be a roadmap to the future uh because they've more or less 0.76

00:45:59.000 it appears if if the polling is accurate that they're losing uh the gen xers or sorry the uh

00:46:07.000 yeah the uh the generation x so they're uh they're in trouble well and it's coming up on the other

00:46:15.240 side of it uh if anybody i think can be able to latch on to this as an alternative party leader

00:46:20.600 it would be maxime bernier i mean he's at least been a consistent voice as a libertarian sort i

00:46:26.040 mean he can give a good fire and brimstone almost personal liberty sort of speech and if the

00:46:32.520 conservatives fail to grab that that younger disenchanted uh you know and i guess possibly

00:46:38.680 you know uh vulnerable is the wrong term to use but they're receptive to to having a conservative

00:46:43.320 messaging protecting speech uh he can do it if the conservatives don't do it somebody else will

00:46:48.600 Do you think that the PPC can start making a few inroads again?

00:46:52.300 We know they're not going to threaten power or anything by any means, but they can really make big spoilers in a number of constituencies if they get some momentum.

00:47:00.080 What do you think, Mark?

00:47:01.600 Well, I think there's a tipping point at which people are going to start looking seriously at the PPC, and we're not there yet.

00:47:07.200 I think there's a number.

00:47:09.020 I think a lot of people, unfortunately, they still feel they need to vote strategically.

00:47:12.560 And so they may be conservatives, and they're ticked off with Aaron O'Toole, but maybe not quite ticked off enough to leave in a mass exodus for the exits for the People's Party. Why hasn't that happened yet? I think Max has been, I agree with you, very consistent. He's not talking about, you know, bringing in a carbon tax. He's not talking about sucking up to liberal light type policies.

00:47:39.160 no he's sticking to his guns and that has a lot of appeal for conservatives who are now looking at

00:47:45.000 the ppc and thinking well you know they're pulling three percent maybe four percent you know i don't

00:47:51.400 want to you know give away my vote waste my vote quote unquote in a writing that maybe is a real

00:47:58.280 dog fight that the tories have a shot at winning but there's a point and i don't know exactly what

00:48:02.760 that number is maybe maybe clinton has an idea of what that number is there's a point at which

00:48:07.640 which Canadians will look at the PPC and think,

00:48:10.340 well, look at that, they're into 10% all of a sudden.

00:48:13.760 You know, they're not just a fringe player.

00:48:15.780 I don't wanna waste my vote on a fringe party.

00:48:19.000 I wanna vote for a party that has a growing number

00:48:23.140 of Canadians gravitating towards it.

00:48:25.760 And here's Max's party, all of a sudden,

00:48:30.160 you know, right around double digits.

00:48:32.840 And I think if that happens,

00:48:34.680 then a trickle becomes a tsunami right as canadians say okay there's a chance i'm going over there

00:48:42.440 and i think by the way the same thing could apply to the maverick party where at some point in the

00:48:47.320 west uh people are saying well i don't want to vote for aaron because he doesn't represent me

00:48:53.240 he's not a conservative and if that's where the conservative party is headed then i'm not

00:48:57.640 interested you're going to start looking at the maverick party in some of those seats and now

00:49:02.200 we're hearing that Jay Hill might start running candidates right across the West, 0.75

00:49:07.560 kind of an exciting move here, kind of an in-your-face move saying, screw you, Aaron, 0.71

00:49:14.040 we're not going to support you. If that starts to build up steam, again, I think there's a tipping

00:49:18.600 point number where Albertans, people in Saskatchewan, right across the West are going to start

00:49:23.160 looking at the Maverick Party and thinking, yeah, I'm going there, just like it happened with the

00:49:28.200 the Reform Party. It didn't happen overnight, right? It just happened right, you know, a lot

00:49:32.600 of things came together. You know, the planets started to align in the early 90s. People were

00:49:37.900 pissed off with Brian Mulroney. They were pissed off with what happened over those contracts,

00:49:43.460 over those juicy contracts, which you've spoken about, right? Those defense contracts that went

00:49:48.740 to Quebec City or went to Quebec instead of Manitoba. All these things started to come together

00:49:54.500 and then boom there was a massive rush a trickle became a tsunami and i think if the tories aren't

00:50:00.760 careful we could see a repeat of that cory yeah well and i've said it before particularly i was

00:50:07.660 going to get on to maverick like as you said with reform i mean start with just deb gray up in beaver

00:50:12.800 river with one seat but that turned into quite something that lasted a decade and and uh you

00:50:17.580 know preston manning and reform were dismissed at first but the big thing was again it's not

00:50:23.060 liberals that tick us off as much in the West is when conservatives screw us. That's when you get

00:50:27.780 those movements. That's when these parties explode. And Jay Hill's platform, he released it

00:50:33.660 recently and I read it and it's interesting and more nuanced than I would have inspected actually

00:50:38.460 because going on a pure secessionist platform, which is, you know, they took over the Wexit

00:50:42.860 movement, which was overtly secessionist, is non-seller still. It's too hard, particularly

00:50:48.780 on a federal level. I mean, it might get there. I think that movement is something that's going

00:50:52.480 to be growing a lot in years to come but just on a party level to have that front and center

00:50:56.380 isn't quite where where things are going to be but he's got a a two-phase plan if you go to their

00:51:01.800 site it shows this is what we're going to do this is the constitutional it's basically a demands

00:51:06.360 list these are the reforms we want to see these are the changes we want to see these are the

00:51:10.080 things that have to happen or we go on to step two which is moving on moving out the first part

00:51:17.040 looks a lot like the original reform platform which really unfortunately didn't get anywhere

00:51:20.860 This is the Senate never did get reformed. You know, a great number of things didn't change,

00:51:25.960 but that frustration is still out here. It's still got that possible appeal. And as Clinton's

00:51:32.220 pointed out quite often, I mean, the liberals are making some strong headway in the West as well.

00:51:36.560 I mean, Edmonton, Calgary, some Manitoba seats, and of course, BC is always a battleground.

00:51:41.940 The Maverick Party could be a real factor, again, not necessarily in winning, but in changing the

00:51:46.440 outcome of this election a lot okay so in regards to uh mr bernier and his ppc i mean quite frankly 0.98

00:51:56.320 uh the ppc is a pimple on on the uh the ass of the conservative elephant quite frankly 0.80

00:52:05.120 and uh the problem with the ppc is that it's a party that's essentially been born out of sour 0.96

00:52:12.940 grapes you know we have a country that has had a decline we've talked about

00:52:22.300 this at length in the past many times our population is declining dramatically

00:52:28.120 we have a retirement rate of somewhere in the vicinity of 485,000 Canadians a

00:52:36.160 are retiring from the workforce we have another 300,000 Canadians that that are

00:52:43.360 just dying every year just through old age so that's a huge number of people

00:52:48.100 that are no longer in our workforce that are no longer driving our economy and

00:52:53.680 the Canadian birth rate is around 300 and 375 thousand a year something along

00:53:03.260 those lines we need immigration and so the problem that mr bernie has is he's essentially shot himself

00:53:09.740 in his own foot by being so anti-immigration that voters in uh ontario quebec and atlantic canada

00:53:19.420 have tuned him out because they view him as a crank and rightly so uh if he hadn't focused on

00:53:27.820 that and if he had focused on things related to you know to trade to

00:53:32.220 technology to innovation to inner provincial trade barriers to you know

00:53:37.200 all of these other issues he would have had some possibilities for growth so the

00:53:43.760 only thing mr. Bernier can do now quite frankly is to act as a spoiler in a

00:53:50.620 number of ridings which will help elect Liberals and I'm sure the Liberal

00:53:54.920 government is happy about that because they smile knowing that the other

00:53:58.860 problem mr. Bernie has and we've seen this this is not my opinion this is

00:54:04.420 Elections Canada Elections Canada has reported that they have actually

00:54:08.980 deregistered dozens and dozens of PPC riding associations across the country

00:54:17.780 because they were either too lazy or incapable of submitting their Elections

00:54:24.780 Canada paperwork on time and so it's really a it's a fringe party of sour

00:54:32.400 grapes that's essentially focused on creating vote splits in order to punish

00:54:41.040 the conservatives for mr. Bernier's loss in 2017 for the leadership race and I

00:54:48.900 mean the other issue with mr. Bernier is that look in his home riding of the boats

00:54:53.760 where he used to win super majorities uh you know he was soundly defeated in the 2019 election

00:55:02.000 and then mr bernier decided to run in a by-election and he announced it on on

00:55:08.140 mark's mark petroni's radio show in fact where he was he made the announcement there and he said

00:55:14.300 i'm going to be running in this by-election and i think it was toronto center or something

00:55:18.440 and he you know he got i don't know 100 votes i mean there's enough ppc members to hold a

00:55:26.940 national convention in a telephone booth i mean it's not a it's not a legitimate political party

00:55:33.740 well i'd have to differ they are a legitimate political party i mean whether they're a threat

00:55:39.160 to the you know winning many seats if any seats and so on no i i don't see that either but they

00:55:45.540 will impact things and that that can't be dismissed. And I understand, yeah, a number of

00:55:50.100 constituencies or EDAs got, you know, lost their status, but that only takes filling out a form

00:55:56.760 and having two people sign it to bring it back in. Again, this is starting from a dead stop,

00:56:00.940 but I was involved way back with the Wild Rose Alliance before it evolved into the Wild Rose

00:56:05.660 Party. You know, we had a hard time, one seat in the legislature with Paul Hinman,

00:56:10.120 But we would have that problem between elections every time.

00:56:14.640 I mean, the apathy between elections is difficult to even keep those two people to keep a shell of an organization going.

00:56:20.580 But when the election looms, you can run it pretty fast if people are motivated.

00:56:24.940 Again, you're right on a number of points.

00:56:27.760 He's alienated himself with a lot of voters.

00:56:29.540 But you can't dismiss the fact that him and his party and some individual candidates, you know, never underestimate a star candidate who's frustrated who might pop up somewhere can really impact an individual race, though.

00:56:39.780 And then that's kind of the way our our pizza parliamentary system sort of works here.

00:56:44.660 Look, I look, I believe that the the better solution is for for the Conservative Party of Canada, like for the membership of the Conservative Party of Canada to figure out what it needs to do to be a legitimate national governing alternative.

00:57:03.520 and uh because you have a larger you have a larger critical mass of voters that are waiting

00:57:10.200 there waiting to vote for for that brand uh it has the infrastructure already in place

00:57:17.620 from british columbia to newfoundland and all points in between i'm talking about electoral

00:57:22.640 district associations uh you know party organizers that kind of thing so it's a it you know my view

00:57:30.520 is after this next election which is coming up sometime probably this summer

00:57:37.420 it would be to figure out a way to to make the conservatives a legitimate

00:57:43.960 force for governing rather than focus on you know these kind of sour grapes fringe

00:57:53.020 movements that aren't really connected to the public at large in any sort of

00:57:58.960 real way yeah well in the short term they have to get ready to fight an

00:58:03.580 election no matter what and you know unfortunately very weak position to be

00:58:08.080 in is when you're speculating on the next leader for after the election when

00:58:11.080 you're heading into the elections I mean they've got to try and find something to

00:58:15.220 get on if not the individual members of Parliament in an area in Ontario we're

00:58:19.780 not hearing a lot of vote but is line five I want to kind of just pivot on to

00:58:23.800 an issue though that it just keeps sliding under the radar in my view as

00:58:28.120 As far as I've seen, there's been no progress in making it look any likely that Whitmer

00:58:33.060 is going to back down on shutting down that line.

00:58:35.880 Biden's got no interest in standing up for that line.

00:58:39.220 Trudeau is paying lip service to it.

00:58:42.080 Personally, I've had enough.

00:58:43.840 I want to see it closed.

00:58:44.840 I want to see it shut down.

00:58:46.080 I feel for the people who are going to suffer in Sarnia.

00:58:48.380 I feel for the lost jobs. 0.99

00:58:50.300 I'm hoping we're talking like a one-week shutdown, more of a spank on the ass to wake 0.99

00:58:53.900 you up and make you realize, hey, you kind of need this thing. 0.99

00:58:56.720 but I mean, is it, are you hearing anything about it, Mark,

00:58:59.960 in Ontario, like is this coming up finally?

00:59:02.120 Cause we're only weeks away from the deadline.

00:59:05.120 Yeah, it's hard to believe that Gretchen Whitmer 1.00

00:59:07.320 who is facing strong headwinds in Michigan, 1.00

00:59:11.160 she's the governor over there

00:59:12.520 and she's looking at Western Canadian oil 1.00

00:59:15.800 as, you know, demon, you know, is demonic.

00:59:20.800 And so, yeah, it's a serious threat.

00:59:25.400 Somehow, I think people think cooler heads have got to prevail, that there's no way they can cut it off.

00:59:31.460 But the unthinkable is becoming more and more thinkable.

00:59:33.940 I think the deadline is May. I'm not sure what the deadline is.

00:59:39.420 But, you know, you certainly hope that a guy like Justin Trudeau would understand that he would pay a massive political price if that if line five is cut off.

00:59:49.740 If Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, is allowed to do what she's talking about doing, paying a huge price.

00:59:56.220 I mean, we're talking about a critical piece of energy infrastructure for Ontario.

01:00:02.220 And so if Junior knows what he's, you know, Junior knows what's good for him, he will deal with this.

01:00:08.920 He will have a little chat with Gretchen Whitmer.

01:00:11.240 He'll play whatever card he can play with Biden, with the Biden administration and say, look, we need to sort this out.

01:00:17.840 because if that is disrupted, there will be disaster in Ontario. I cannot overstate just

01:00:25.640 how serious that would be. And so, you know, cooler heads have to prevail here in one way or

01:00:31.380 another, whatever it takes. And by the way, there's a lot of companies in Michigan that rely on that.

01:00:35.540 There's a lot of companies pushing back on the United States side of the border saying,

01:00:39.860 Governor, you cannot do this. Fortunately, Whitmer is not in a really good political

01:00:45.680 position herself over the lockdowns, facing a lot of backlash over her own activities, 0.84

01:00:51.780 you know, while she was telling everybody to lock down, you know, going on vacation.

01:00:56.520 And so I think she's on shaky ground. And so I'm hoping that all those factors combine.

01:01:03.620 And on top of all that, of course, the governor or the premier of Ontario, I mean, he's the guy

01:01:09.020 who really is at the center of this whole thing. He can't afford another, you know, major blow like

01:01:14.400 this to our energy sector he knows how important that line five is that piece of infrastructure

01:01:20.080 he has to use whatever political clout he has to negotiate with gretchen whitmer talk it out 0.97

01:01:27.600 you know deal with the feds and get this thing ironed out because the closer we get to that

01:01:31.760 deadline the more dangerous this becomes for ontarians and anybody who relies on on that key

01:01:37.920 piece of energy infrastructure in this province but i just sorry i just need to i just need to

01:01:44.560 pipe in about the ppc all right because the green party was around has been around since the early

01:01:50.880 80s 1983 and people dismissed them as a fringe movement as well who took years for them to keep

01:01:56.400 but they kept at it and they kept they continued to put pressure they continued to put policy

01:02:01.920 statements out they got some positive press and over the course of time they managed to get

01:02:07.600 whatever they get in terms of support and it can vary depends on which part of the province

01:02:11.840 you know five percent here maybe ten percent and other parts and even out west on the west coast

01:02:17.680 for instance they do very strongly there's no reason given uh the fact that the conservative

01:02:24.160 party of canada has veered left abandoned many conservatives because if you look at the recent

01:02:28.880 polling, we're looking at the undecideds and the double figures. Up to 15%, 20% of Canadians are

01:02:35.820 looking around going, I don't know what I'm going to do. Well, that's an opportunity for Max Bernier

01:02:40.940 and his party to say, look, economic pressures are going to start making a big difference. And

01:02:47.160 if I was talking to the PPC right now, and Max and his team, I would say, look, here's what you

01:02:52.120 focus on. You've got a conservative party of Canada, which has abandoned conservatives on

01:02:56.840 on the issue of a carbon tax.

01:02:58.720 You've got increasing pressures.

01:03:00.520 You've got higher energy costs, commodity prices.

01:03:03.560 Check the price of lumber lately.

01:03:05.380 Prices at the grocery store.

01:03:07.180 This is starting to filter into the psyche of Canadians.

01:03:11.040 All of a sudden they're paying more.

01:03:12.420 Yeah, there's more money being distributed,

01:03:14.800 helicopter money courtesy of the government of Justin Trudeau.

01:03:19.600 But you know what?

01:03:20.440 That money is eventually going to dry up

01:03:22.140 and Canadians are gonna start feeling the pinch

01:03:24.500 as these higher prices eat away at their ability

01:03:27.480 to enjoy a decent standard of living.

01:03:29.780 And as those economic pressures build,

01:03:32.720 it's an opportunity for a party like the People's Party

01:03:35.020 to say, look, we're not going down the road of carbon taxes

01:03:38.320 because you're already paying enough.

01:03:40.220 You're already suffering.

01:03:41.800 And so the last thing we need to do

01:03:43.900 is go down the road of even higher prices for Canadians

01:03:47.020 as the Liberals raise their carbon tax on April the 1st.

01:03:51.040 And so rather than playing on that

01:03:53.680 and understanding those economic pressures

01:03:55.720 on the consumers in this country.

01:03:57.460 What did O'Toole do?

01:03:58.660 He said, oh yeah, we're gonna have a carbon tax too,

01:04:00.860 because it's all about climate change. 0.99

01:04:02.420 The guy is brain dead. 0.98

01:04:03.880 It's not about climate change. 0.99

01:04:05.400 It's gonna be economic pressures

01:04:07.140 that are gonna be eating away

01:04:09.040 at the ability of Canadians to make ends meet.

01:04:11.540 And those pressures are gonna open the door,

01:04:13.740 quite possibly for a party that says no to carbon tax.

01:04:17.000 And as far as I could see,

01:04:18.900 the People's Party is the only one still saying that.

01:04:22.240 so in um so in regards to uh corey's earlier point about line five uh maybe i'm an internal

01:04:32.160 optimist but i i believe that this will sort itself out and the reason i do is because something

01:04:38.480 that's not discussed often with line five is that it feeds or helps feed uh pearson international

01:04:45.360 airport canada's largest airport and busiest airport and uh look if line five was shut down

01:04:54.800 coming from canada into michigan back into canada that sort of thing um i'm not sure how the

01:05:01.840 surrounding airports once we get out of covid would be able to actually handle uh all of that

01:05:08.960 traffic because you know a lot of people don't realize that a lot of that traffic that goes to

01:05:14.560 new york that goes to chicago uh that goes to boston a lot of that traffic flows into pearson

01:05:22.240 and then from pearson it goes off to those other airports and those other airports uh are basically

01:05:28.800 maxed out as far as uh under normal circumstances you know pre-covered uh so i do think that line

01:05:37.600 five will sort itself out and the other issue is that line five also feeds into line nine

01:05:43.160 Which is the other issue that people don't talk about in line nine is the line that connects into Quebec into Montreal

01:05:51.240 Which feeds the Montreal Airport?

01:05:53.920 So, you know, we're talking a tremendous amount of jet fuel that's required at both of those airports and

01:06:02.200 You know to Mark's earlier point

01:06:05.120 You know, there's a lot of people in Michigan that also depend on on line five as well

01:06:12.480 So I do think that cooler heads will prevail in this case, you know, whether that requires some backroom sort of chatter or conversations between the president and the prime minister's office and that kind of thing.

01:06:26.280 But I do think that that is an issue that that will sort itself out because that's one of those things that could dramatically bring the the the U.S. economy along that border region to a halt pretty quickly as well.

01:06:44.280 The problem, unfortunately, is that you're assuming rational minds on the other end and these aren't. These are ideologues. Shutting down Keystone hurt the Americans as much as it hurt Canada, but Biden didn't care. He wanted to appeal to those ideologues.

01:07:02.940 and now a good point you brought up was line nine and the other thing some people might not realize

01:07:07.340 is it's a network down there line three feeds both of those and that was a threat jane fonda 0.96

01:07:13.020 was out flapping around with you know considering how much plastic products that woman has 0.97

01:07:16.780 to be opposed to petrochemical products so the hypocrisy is just galling but that's what i mean

01:07:22.280 is you're not dealing with reasonable people yet they're still influential um but i just want to

01:07:28.720 kind of move into something a little different as is pointed out like there's contingencies in mind

01:07:32.120 already. They're getting ready. If these lines get shut down, we'll get the fuel there through

01:07:36.480 trucks and through rail, but the cost will go through the roof. That's the thing. And as Mark

01:07:40.760 was pointing out, consumers are going to take it badly. I mean, it's going to hurt. But one area I

01:07:47.140 want to touch on quickly is organized labor. This is another front that conservatives can never seem

01:07:52.940 to tap into, but maybe there's an opportunity. I'm not talking about the teachers. I'm not talking

01:07:56.560 about civil servants. I'm talking about your teamsters, your boilermakers, your plant workers

01:08:02.180 in Sarnia. There's logging unions. Like when we keep crushing the economy like this, when we keep

01:08:08.480 hurting people who are of a middle income, when we keep shutting down jobs, I mean, jobs, jobs,

01:08:13.660 jobs that used to win organized labor. Are they getting to the point of finally abandoning the

01:08:18.540 crazy NDP and the liberals who, while they cater to the left, they're putting them out of work.

01:08:24.000 like can the conservatives perhaps find some strength there well I have to jump

01:08:29.280 in on that I look I agree with you when it comes to those like to those specific

01:08:34.660 union centers that we're talking about and look for all of the talk we hear

01:08:41.240 about green talk and green innovation and technology from you know the new

01:08:46.500 Democrats and the Green Party and others I've yet to hear any party including

01:08:54.740 those guys talk about a national mining strategy where you know the Conservative

01:08:59.820 Party would be able to appeal to a lot of those types of union workers that

01:09:05.640 you're describing with a national mining strategy in order to supply the

01:09:10.440 precious metals to the global EV market and but you know we've talked about this

01:09:16.440 as well at length on multiple occasions and it's just not something that's either in their

01:09:21.800 wheelhouse or that they really understand that's going on around them you know i'm not really sure

01:09:27.160 but the conservative party you know to your point um it needs a lot of reaching out to to specific

01:09:35.960 areas of the population and they're just choosing not to for whatever reason and i find it bizarre

01:09:41.720 and I can't come up with a reason why they're not doing those things.

01:09:50.080 I think Mark might be frozen.

01:09:51.840 Well, I can, okay.

01:09:53.880 Am I still, am I frozen?

01:09:55.760 Your voice is certain, Willow.

01:09:57.480 All right, well, look, I mean, in answer to your question,

01:09:59.600 I think Trump proved that you can definitely reach out to blue-collar workers

01:10:04.600 and they will support you.

01:10:05.840 And then what did we see from O'Toole?

01:10:07.620 Aaron reached out to the union brass, the Jerry Diaz's of the world, and say, hey, I'm going to

01:10:15.120 help your members. I'm going to grow your members because I'm going to bring about economic stimulus

01:10:21.860 measures that are going to grow the economy. Does Diaz care? Of course not. No, because they're all

01:10:26.840 in the pocket of the Liberal Party and have been for decades. Wasting your time going after the

01:10:32.460 union bosses, try to get them on side. That has never paid off or hasn't paid off for the

01:10:38.020 conservatives that I know of. But Trump had the answer. That was good to go after the rank and

01:10:44.460 file members, blue collar workers. And by the way, Harper had success with those workers too.

01:10:48.820 A lot of conservatives amongst the blue collar union members who, despite the fact that they're,

01:10:55.460 you know, the brass tells them, well, you got to vote for the NDP or you got to vote for the 0.89

01:10:59.440 liberals, they say, well, screw you. They'll just go home and cast a ballot for the conservative

01:11:03.340 because they know the conservatives are looking out for their interests, not the interests of,

01:11:07.940 you know, big corporations, which, I mean, obviously there is a little bit of that as

01:11:12.300 well. I mean, let's be real here. But Trump showed that he could get all those blue collar

01:11:17.020 workers in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio, which by the way, still supported him. You know,

01:11:21.940 he won big in Ohio this time. And if the election hadn't been stolen, he certainly would have won

01:11:27.080 pennsylvania he certainly would have won michigan and i think these are people who gravitate towards 0.65

01:11:32.280 the trump message of america first let's repatriate those jobs from china let's bring those

01:11:38.920 manufacturing operations back to canada not do what you know what trudeau is is doing up here

01:11:47.080 which is impose all sorts of regulations carbon taxes and make it even more onerous for

01:11:53.800 entrepreneurs, for manufacturers to operate in this country. What happens as a result,

01:11:59.320 those jobs head to China, they head to other places in Asia. It's ridiculous. Trump's message 0.88

01:12:05.320 works. If O'Toole had the same type of strategy, I don't see why it wouldn't work up here. Let's

01:12:10.920 bring jobs back to Canada, not ship them out. Instead, what does he do? He brings in a climate

01:12:17.880 strategy that will hurt investment in canada and hurt manufacturing operations not help it and so

01:12:25.320 that's how you bring union members rank and file union members over to your side you don't do it

01:12:31.080 by sucking up to the union brass you do it by saying hey canada first we're important we're

01:12:37.640 going to make it more attractive for manufacturers to operate in this country i agree a national

01:12:43.480 mining strategy is a very good idea as well. But let's make it as attractive for manufacturers to

01:12:49.720 operate in Canada as possible, not impose carbon taxes that they don't have in China, that they

01:12:56.120 don't have in India. That's insane, Aaron. So that's my take on as far as the union strategy goes.

01:13:04.840 Yeah, well, absolutely. I mean, the bottom line is, if you've lost your job, you're at risk of

01:13:09.400 losing your home, you've got a young family you're thinking of putting into post-secondary or

01:13:14.120 something like that. You're going to vote for whoever gives you the best path to getting

01:13:19.620 employed again. They don't care about the fluff of carbon taxes or fighting over gender identity

01:13:26.300 issues or all of the other stuff, or at least even if they do care about it, that's way down

01:13:30.760 on their priority list. The priority is getting back to work, getting your bills paid, hopefully

01:13:36.380 having a retirement at some point at the end of your life. And there's a lot of people in that

01:13:41.220 situation that are very worried today. You would think this would be election where everybody's

01:13:45.280 talking about jobs. That was always a big thing in past elections, jobs, jobs, jobs. And we aren't

01:13:51.220 hearing much of that chatter right now, actually. I mean, again, it just, it frustrates. Like what I

01:13:56.580 keep reaching out for is I am hoping as we poke around, we can find things at least we know O'Toole

01:14:02.020 doesn't have any common sense, but maybe his candidates and other teams can get out there

01:14:05.240 and just hold on to some ground, because even if we're resigned to another liberal government,

01:14:10.520 we don't want another two-seat conservative party languishing back there trying to rebuild and get

01:14:16.240 ready for the next election. Well, the reason you're not hearing much about jobs, Corey, is

01:14:20.540 because of all that stimulus money going out, the CERB checks being... So they're just running up

01:14:25.980 debt. The government is running the economy on fumes. It's smoke and mirrors. It's let's

01:14:32.540 create digital money by the tens of billions of dollars, circulate it, send it out there. By the

01:14:38.800 way, line the pockets of our friends. Of course, there's so much waste in terms of how that money

01:14:44.960 was, that COVID pandemic cash was dished out to contracts, to people connected to the Liberal

01:14:51.260 Party. But that's why you're not hearing it. And unfortunately, it's actually hurting the economy

01:14:56.500 because a lot of smaller firms, small companies are having actually trouble staffing their

01:15:02.140 operations, Corey. And the reason why is because there's so much stimulus cash being created out

01:15:07.720 of thin air that people are frankly rather not eager to go to work. I mean, if they're going to

01:15:14.660 be paid to stay home, if the government's going to cut them a check, then why should I bother

01:15:20.180 getting out of bed? So I'm hearing from small companies and medium-sized companies saying,

01:15:26.120 it's getting harder to get people motivated to come to work because of these programs that are

01:15:32.980 out there. It's all this helicopter money being funneled into, you know, sprayed all over the

01:15:39.360 economy. That's giving people a false sense that we're in better shape than we are. We're not in

01:15:44.400 good shape. And where you're going to see that manifest itself is in inflation. And you're

01:15:49.920 already seeing it now as all this stimulus money filtering into the economy as people stay home

01:15:57.040 being told to lock down being told that they're going to die if they go outside and not wear a

01:16:01.760 mask you know all this is being stimulated elsewhere in the economy and uh it's pushing

01:16:07.900 the prices of of staples up so what's good i mean that's what you're going to start seeing the

01:16:12.520 squeeze energy prices again you know it's bread and butter issues this is a real opportunity for

01:16:19.040 somebody to come out and say this is not about climate change anymore because i agree with you 0.98

01:16:23.760 corey if you're having trouble paying your bills the last thing you give a rat's ass about is

01:16:28.240 whether the climate might be changing in a way that the you know the world's not going to benefit 0.76

01:16:32.960 from you know 20 years down the road or whatever doesn't matter you start worrying about your house

01:16:37.840 you start worrying about putting your kids through school you start worrying about you know you know

01:16:41.680 pay let's not forget a good chunk of the canadian public is a couple hundred bucks away from not

01:16:47.760 being able to uh to buy groceries i mean this is a serious problem in this in this country economic 0.63

01:16:54.160 issues are the key you know forget i agree forget the uh virtue signaling crap forget climate change

01:17:00.720 deal with economic issues on that on that uh gut level and i think canadians will come around to

01:17:06.640 to any party any leader that really puts that out there well look i one of the things i would

01:17:12.640 want to throw in there like there are there are ways to deal with the climate and the environment

01:17:20.560 issue that will benefit uh like the construction trades and those those people that you mentioned

01:17:29.120 earlier corey like so for example like another thing that we've talked about is uh you know

01:17:34.720 there are significant resources in hydroelectric power in Manitoba in

01:17:41.560 Newfoundland in Quebec in British Columbia and New Brunswick you know we

01:17:47.060 we do have a lackluster we don't even have a national grid in this country

01:17:52.840 quite frankly and so you know there are investments that the private sector the

01:17:59.480 federal government and the provinces could do uh in order to secure uh you know cheaper energy in

01:18:07.660 the long term that's also clean and that kind of thing but again the conservatives aren't talking

01:18:13.080 about any of those issues and so you know they're they're causing voters to look elsewhere well a lot

01:18:20.720 of it's just getting the government out of the way so we'll close it off quickly here uh so from

01:18:25.000 Halifax we had Clinton DeVoe Clinton where can we find more information on

01:18:28.600 what you're up to and keeping us up to date on federal polling well if they

01:18:33.280 just follow me at my my Twitter handle it's at Clinton DeVoe you can see it

01:18:37.180 here on the screen and you know I I post everything there from these interviews

01:18:42.400 to stuff with Mark to Margaret magazine articles I've written all of that kind

01:18:47.360 of stuff so look I want to thank you once again for bringing me on your show

01:18:51.500 I really enjoy it.

01:18:52.860 And I love hearing from Canadians all over Western Canada,

01:18:56.520 their thoughts and opinions of the stuff that we talk about.

01:18:59.520 It seems to be really,

01:19:01.220 it seems to have struck a chord with a lot of people and I enjoy it.

01:19:05.620 Great. Thanks, Clinton and Mark.

01:19:06.980 So you're out in Mississauga and you've got the radio show out there.

01:19:10.320 Where can people tune into you?

01:19:11.360 Yeah, they can listen online to saga960am.ca.

01:19:17.580 My show would be on from 9 a.m. Eastern time to 11 a.m. Eastern time

01:19:23.560 So I guess it would start around 7 o'clock Alberta time

01:19:27.560 It's a mountain time if you happen to be in Alberta

01:19:29.880 So yeah, check it out

01:19:32.140 There's also a podcast you can listen to

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01:19:44.420 You can find the shows and the podcasts and listen to it online on our site.

01:19:52.020 Corey, thanks again, by the way.

01:19:53.380 Great talking to both of you guys.

01:19:54.800 Awesome, guys.

01:19:55.460 It's always fun.

01:19:56.160 I look forward to talking again soon.

01:19:58.900 All right.

01:19:59.900 See ya.

01:20:02.180 Okay.

01:20:02.860 Well, that covered a lot of national issues across Canada there.

01:20:06.940 Next up, I've got Michael Johns, as I spoke to earlier in the introduction of the show.

01:20:11.400 He's got a very impressive resume.

01:20:13.060 He was a co-founder of the Tea Party movement down in the States.

01:20:17.300 He's been vocal on movements that are changing the status quo,

01:20:20.540 movements that are breaking things, whether it's Brexit.

01:20:24.480 Now he's been speaking on Wexit, which has really fascinated me.

01:20:29.080 A lot to share.

01:20:30.300 As a policy analyst, he was a speechwriter for George Bush.

01:20:34.520 He's really got a lot to share, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can talk to us about up in Canada,

01:20:40.260 where we're stuck in a political stalemate up here it's it's frustrating uh we're in the west

01:20:46.020 meeting our heads on the wall out here we're looking at another liberal majority

01:20:50.340 uh and we're looking for a note so thank you very much for joining me today michael hey you're

01:20:54.420 welcome uh i am uh yeah i'm absolutely convinced that while this issue may appear to be on the

01:21:00.740 surface a stalemate may in fact be a stalemate at the moment you know when you look at these

01:21:05.860 emergence of real politically consequential movements um that have given rise to countries

01:21:12.900 that have given rise to political movements that have changed things profoundly that is almost

01:21:18.020 always universally the case uh before it's not the case and i think one of the things that is most

01:21:24.660 concerning to me and probably the issue that we want uh to tackle and by we i mean ultimately

01:21:33.220 these decisions are those of the people over these respective provinces. My aspiration only is one

01:21:44.500 that their voice be given an opportunity to determine their destiny. And in that sense,

01:21:50.340 I believe, yeah, the Tea Party movement and representative democracy as an institution

01:21:58.740 um has you know is a global movement uh it's either going to be a system of government that is

01:22:05.700 on uh the advance and strong where it's going to be retreating and you know we're concerned i'm

01:22:13.060 concerned frankly that it's been on retreat in a lot of ways so we saw saw with the undermining of

01:22:18.260 the uh direct uh rights afforded the individuals of all the the individual states of europe forced

01:22:26.980 into the eu and um that properly gave rise to brexit and i've noticed you know i mean canada's

01:22:34.580 got a little bit of a problem with uh media bias just like the united states does just a little

01:22:40.020 there will be and is already an inclination to depict this as unrealistic uh or extremist or

01:22:49.860 uh even potentially unpatriotic i mean i think really ultimately this is the this is an act

01:22:57.540 of immense patriotism it's patriotism to the province and the people that um albertans have

01:23:04.580 a commitment to and ultimately you know just the final point uh here is that um the relationship

01:23:12.660 with ottawa is not good now and if even if the loyalty is to that of of canada i would anticipate

01:23:26.340 that relationship and the rapport would be strengthened if we were able to resolve some

01:23:33.060 of the very legitimate uh issues that i think make the case for separation yeah well and then

01:23:42.340 we've got a well in my view to be honest our system is broken i mean canada as everybody knows

01:23:47.540 is a massive country and and we've got some very uh different perspectives from end to end in this

01:23:53.540 nation and and one of the ways the you know americans have dealt with it is having a senate

01:23:58.500 of equal members uh in there to help pop at least bring a degree of balance for the population

01:24:04.100 differences so that the more populous states can overpower the smaller ones canada we've got a

01:24:08.980 a Senate that's really quite embarrassing. It's appointed by the prime minister. The number of

01:24:16.040 seats just reflects political expediency in the past. It has nothing to do with...

01:24:20.420 In fairness and in deference to that approach, it makes more sense. And it was a consideration

01:24:27.960 of our own founders that our Senate would be a higher body as well. You kind of have duplication

01:24:34.240 of effort when you've got you know a replication of democratically elected individuals in both

01:24:40.080 of these chambers and then they don't in turn necessarily always um reflect you know kind of

01:24:46.480 some of the restraining forces that frankly right now especially if we get rid of in the united

01:24:52.160 states the um filibuster rule could be immensely threatening to to um i think the country and give

01:25:00.400 rise to the two kind of recklessness and and a lack of consensus building yeah well and it's

01:25:10.080 certainly not perfect down there by any means either what we have here though is a matter of

01:25:16.320 a very centralized federal government and becoming increasingly so and we have very little recourse

01:25:21.520 regionally in dealing with that and uh it's funny the circumstance we've turned into in alberta

01:25:27.360 we we vote so consistently conservative that the conservatives take us for granted and really don't

01:25:32.160 pay much attention yeah i think that that is where there's one great and notable distinction between

01:25:38.560 um the western provinces in the united states um i it's been my position my whole life i mean

01:25:46.320 i became a registered republican in the united states the age of 18 in college uh and i've been

01:25:51.920 a you know i have concerns with the republican party but i've always believed and i continue to

01:25:59.760 believe that the way to resolve those is by activism and engagement within the party not

01:26:05.840 through the creation of a third party that would split the right of center vote i feel completely

01:26:10.400 differently about the situation in canada just like i did with the uk in the sense that the the

01:26:17.680 political dynamics are different there and that and you've had the same challenge that the

01:26:23.520 conservative party in the uk had in a sense with same challenge we've had with the republican party

01:26:28.880 that those that that that party which in theory should be representing you know i have a poll

01:26:36.240 here from a year ago and i'm sure there's more recent numbers of this 41 percent um in alberta

01:26:43.600 who at least at that point had supported separation so that's obviously given rise to a new party

01:26:51.520 and from everything that i've seen the leadership in the in this movement in the wexit movement is

01:26:59.680 um you got there's some very laudable individuals you know and i i look through like jay hill's

01:27:06.160 uh record you know and you can see he had like 17 years i think in in ottawa he tried it the

01:27:12.320 the conventional way and ultimately properly, to his great credit, came to the conclusion

01:27:17.080 that it wasn't going to get done that way. And he came out of retirement in an act of great

01:27:24.740 patriotism. But this is going to be, I think, a collective issue. It's going to have to involve

01:27:31.860 a lot of leadership, a lot of individuals all working cohesively. I think those numbers are

01:27:38.380 going to shift upward. And in the meantime, this debate cannot be controlled by the opponents of

01:27:44.260 this, because I recognize that you've got in the Trudeau government and the Liberal Party a great

01:27:50.080 degree of ambition as it relates to the globalist agenda. And that's, you know, that essentially

01:27:57.700 includes, by the way, eliminating, not, you know, forget having a government that's kind of

01:28:06.320 not sufficiently supportive of the the energy sector of alberta which is such an economic

01:28:12.080 engine not just for the province for the entire country um eliminating really this industry

01:28:20.880 in the next few decades and he has as ambitious of an agenda for

01:28:26.720 or the eliminating carbon-based energy resources, I would say, as any leader in the world.

01:28:37.220 Of course, the biggest champion is China's Xi Jinping, who is also the world's biggest polluter.

01:28:42.920 And we've got to awaken people of the world to the fact that it's immensely convenient for him to be supporting,

01:28:51.680 imposing these restrictions on his primary trade competitors while he's doing nothing.

01:29:01.240 And you look at like the reduction in emissions in the US. I mean, we've been pretty stagnant

01:29:07.440 over the last decade because there hasn't been a conscious focus on it. China's about three times 0.96

01:29:12.520 where they were, and no one's talking about this. If you and I woke up tomorrow in an environment 1.00

01:29:17.580 up with the biggest concern. We won't be talking about what's going on in the United States or

01:29:21.920 Canada. We'd be talking about what's going on in China. Yeah, well, let's consider Canada's

01:29:27.640 emissions make up about 1.6% of the world's emissions. So even if we somehow cut it in half,

01:29:35.000 the amount of impact that would have on the world, it'd be negligible. And it's been a frustration

01:29:40.520 because we have pivoted. We have cleaned up our act. We produce some very ethically sourced energy

01:29:45.620 that we'd like to export you know liquid natural gas let's get that to those countries that are

01:29:49.700 burning coal and and let's help mitigate climate change but even coal the technology has been

01:29:56.100 environmentally friendly meaning uh you can't really from a top-down basis impose this vision

01:30:04.980 of alternative energy resources on the world or a country or a province it's got to emerge out of a

01:30:12.420 natural evolution of market forces. I think we've seen that starting to happen, but you still have

01:30:20.920 this reckless inclination of political leaders who can't get there fast enough. And I suppose if,

01:30:28.640 you know, you really significantly felt that the world as we know it was going to end in the next

01:30:34.140 few years, we would act with urgency, but we wouldn't have this parachute cord, for instance.

01:30:39.220 That doesn't do anything to reduce China's emissions, and there's no enforcement mechanism

01:30:45.520 for countries to violate, no penalty for violating it.

01:30:48.880 So you can see the basis for our opposition to it, and I assume that that's shared probably

01:30:53.420 by many in the Western provinces of Canada.

01:30:57.420 Very much so.

01:30:58.600 So, I mean, it's something that brings some optimism hearing from you, though, and stuff

01:31:01.540 you talked about and worked on is populism.

01:31:04.060 Like, people are starting to push back.

01:31:06.560 They're starting to wake up.

01:31:07.480 You know, what I loved about Brexit, I wasn't invested in it.

01:31:10.480 I wasn't, you know, in Europe by any means, but I looked at the tall foreheads, poo-pooing

01:31:16.840 the man on the ground.

01:31:18.500 I looked at them saying, this is not the way to vote.

01:31:21.080 The media all allied against it.

01:31:23.180 And basically the population gave them the middle finger and said, no, we're out.

01:31:27.060 And they stuck with it.

01:31:28.260 And likewise, even with President Trump, I wasn't a huge fan of him, but he did.

01:31:33.200 And I think that's most of the appeal that Trump had was he was pushing back at the establishment, give people a way to say, we are not being, we're not going to let you tell us what to do any longer. And that's where Wexit is starting to grow. I mean, we saw even on a micro level in Calgary here, there was actually a forced plebiscite on an Olympic bid.

01:31:52.880 You know, it's a localized issue, but the academics, the media, the celebrities, the usual, we're all saying we've got to do this bid.

01:32:01.020 And when we got the chance, we got up and voted resoundingly.

01:32:03.480 We told them to roll up their bid and jam it.

01:32:05.240 We wanted no part of it.

01:32:07.160 Yeah, I've noticed, speaking of the academics of Alberta, that some of the polling, you know, as I've dived into this, trying to understand, because this is what it's all about to me.

01:32:18.700 I'm going to simplify this.

01:32:19.800 To me, this is about the sentiment of the people.

01:32:22.880 All right, this is not about as Trudeau and to a lesser extent his father attempted to do, imposing some sort of mandate that's not supported on the people.

01:32:36.280 It's about understanding in some really granular detail, much more granular detail than I even probably possess or anyone in this advocacy movement does possess right now.

01:32:50.560 So there's a lot of, a lot of leadership is listening too.

01:32:55.140 And I look at the, these Western provinces, and you can just see, we used, you, I'm sure

01:33:01.780 heard at the Trump line, the forgotten man and woman.

01:33:04.980 This was the working man and woman, typically high school education, who found intriguing,

01:33:14.400 interesting, and generally decent paying work in manufacturing sector in the United States.

01:33:20.560 um in the late 20th century and over a series of years just about every component of government

01:33:28.120 misserved and ill-served um that constituency of voter from the standpoint of of very uh unfair

01:33:37.380 trade agreements that uh saw the demise of companies and and offshoring and full industries

01:33:46.040 israeli that were we were off sword no one confronting the intellectual property theft of

01:33:51.160 china no one confronting the fact that our country and i feel canada to me meet this criteria

01:34:01.080 works very well for the incredibly wealthy and it also in the united states works fairly

01:34:07.880 functionally for the extremely poor and by that i only mean to say that if you have no assets no

01:34:14.920 income or you're disabled and unable to work or other situations preclude you from it there's

01:34:23.480 probably no country that would be more hospitable and generous to you than the united states i mean

01:34:30.600 there's countries there are countries in the world many countries you know probably well or probably

01:34:35.480 half where there is no safety net so one thing to say about the free market and capitalism

01:34:42.280 because it has its detractors in case you haven't noticed is that the um it is even adam smith in

01:34:51.340 his writings on capitalism referenced the wealth the safety net and wealth that how capitalism is

01:34:58.700 the better provider of that safety net than the um highly centralized often government

01:35:07.120 owned and controlled uh socialist paradigm yeah well for the most part if we could just get

01:35:13.920 government to get out of the way there's a lot of really talented ambitious people who would

01:35:17.580 happily get in there and fill those voids and we would all be much better realistic and i think

01:35:23.060 this is both realistic and about the sentiment but ambitious as it relates to the political

01:35:28.540 aspirations is that ever going to realistically manifest any of the in either of these two major

01:35:36.620 parties in Canada. I mean, there's been, in fairness to these Western provinces, an incredible

01:35:43.520 degree of patience. They have waited, they have appealed, they have made their arguments.

01:35:51.700 um ultimately sort of like the american revolution like the brexit 2016 2015 initiatives um you reach

01:36:09.140 the conclusion that the system that you're functioning under is not working now when that

01:36:14.820 system is not working it's not you can't develop the psychologically this idea that well this is

01:36:23.500 just not fixable it's too big to resolve it's beyond our capabilities because that defies

01:36:30.400 all of history where these odds have been routinely challenged and overcome by dedicated

01:36:37.440 individuals sometimes a minority of the population oftentimes the american revolution itself was

01:36:43.320 supported by about a third of our colonists.

01:36:45.820 About a third were supportive,

01:36:47.640 about a third wanted to remain a British colony,

01:36:51.800 and about a third were kind of ambivalent on it.

01:36:55.100 And so the fortitude and the will that comes together

01:37:02.520 and then the collaborative political organization,

01:37:07.380 I think can be all the difference

01:37:08.680 between failure and success on this initiative.

01:37:11.540 Yeah, well, I can see the appetite for change and how the system wasn't serving them well.

01:37:16.640 And I see some of the issues in the States as being a bellwether for what we might be

01:37:21.240 seeing here in the West.

01:37:22.360 I did a lot of work in oil exploration in the past, and I spent a lot of time in Western

01:37:26.360 Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, working on the Marcellus play out there.

01:37:30.660 And one of the cities that really struck me was Steubenville, Ohio.

01:37:33.880 I mean, right down there in the river Valley across from West Virginia near Pittsburgh.

01:37:37.940 beautiful, but just overgrown steel foundries, houses boarded up, dilapidated, you know, an old

01:37:43.840 art deco downtown with these beautiful buildings, but they're practically shut in. Like people have

01:37:48.380 to remind it, this can happen, this will happen. And you can see why the people in interior

01:37:52.380 Pennsylvania, not too long afterwards, lashed out and said, you know what, we aren't going to be

01:37:56.740 told what to do, we're voting for change. Whether or not that served them or not is a different

01:38:01.380 story. But so like with the Tea Party, kind of getting back to that, like you're fighting

01:38:06.420 against an establishment and that's uh from within um that's what we kind of have in the

01:38:11.620 west as well i mean we're the conservative heartland the the old school conservatives

01:38:15.300 the tories are saying just just be quiet and take it and we can change it from within and

01:38:19.300 as you're pointing out that usually leads to frustration or no change so like you kind of

01:38:24.660 reached the point and this is this is now and now conclusion not 10 years from now conclusion

01:38:30.260 And I think you're seeing this in the sentiment when I cite this 41%, which isn't as this number has been, you know, they'll say, well, the separation movement goes all the way back to the 80s and Trudeau's father and obviously nothing's happened.

01:38:46.680 So this has always been around. There's no imminent possibility of this actually happening.

01:38:54.900 Hold on. That's not right. Because what you see from the 1980s to now is this incremental momentum that is gradually built of the forgotten man and woman.

01:39:07.840 the forgotten canadian i don't know i'm gonna like copyright that phrase or something yeah

01:39:12.800 the forgotten canadian who uh was somewhat optimistic these things could be resolved

01:39:19.840 and then became kind of skeptical and concerned and has now given up so one of the worst things

01:39:27.520 that can be done right now is to underestimate the frustration that is out there and that frustration

01:39:35.360 is one that supports independence now this is an immensely complex issue right so the easiest way

01:39:45.420 to shoot it down is to find the weakest link in it and is this that's kind of what happened with

01:39:51.460 the brexit campaign uh where you had all these london-based elites you know in banking and

01:39:57.820 finance who kind of came out and found these you know kind of but it didn't work with the people

01:40:04.580 and they were as you you worded it correctly they were arrogant about it uh cynical they looked down

01:40:13.300 on their fellow countrymen who supported it and uh the britons to their great patriotic credit

01:40:23.620 almost in the uh you know the the thatcher churchill uh tradition said we've seen enough

01:40:31.460 of this and they took you know the the really the first major bold step of the 21st century for this

01:40:39.700 for that country that has such a rich i mean it's kind of the richest tradition in in a way

01:40:45.300 of established western uh democracies and uh powers so it so it's very you can't just look

01:40:54.660 at the tea party movement and say oh you know look in 2009 we had the democrats had the house

01:41:00.100 of representatives they had the senate they had white house they had a lot of the governorships

01:41:04.180 they had the media institution completely they had academia completely um they had hollywood

01:41:11.540 completely the culture in their hands no one in 2009 in the united states uh unless you were kind

01:41:19.300 of part of this planning that um i was in would have looked at it and said you're gonna overcome

01:41:28.900 that or prevail they would have looked at and said you know it's there's no chance of maybe

01:41:35.460 you can get a few wins here and there but that's not the approach we took and i'll tell you i

01:41:39.780 consciously went out and immediately and even before the april 15th rallies in the united states

01:41:44.420 in 2009 i said the goal was to take back the country now did i was i confident 100 that we

01:41:50.660 were going to do that no i mean because i knew all of the factors it was dependent on

01:41:55.940 so it was kind of like a high-risk surgery or you know sometimes there's no benefit in going into

01:42:05.780 it going yeah probably we're gonna screw this up somehow and it's good you're gonna end up worse I

01:42:10.640 mean that doesn't that's not the message to communicate and we would not have drawn what

01:42:15.740 ultimately became tens of millions of people into this movement on a peripheral basis the

01:42:21.820 largest grassroots political movement in American history, really, that became the foundation

01:42:29.140 ultimately for Trump as well, who, by the way, spoke at Tea Party rally in 2011.

01:42:33.200 It's on YouTube and everyone should go look at that, that we would never have done that

01:42:39.380 if we said, you know, we're gonna try to maybe take a few governorships and maybe a couple

01:42:45.740 house seats.

01:42:46.740 I mean, people would have said, good luck, keep us posted.

01:42:50.260 We wouldn't have drawn, at rallies I spoke at in this country, 30,000 people in Dallas, Texas, or 14,000 people in New York City, or many other examples where you could just feel and see the momentum that was building.

01:43:09.660 You didn't have to speculate or guess.

01:43:12.380 You could feel it, right?

01:43:14.000 I mean, that day alone, I spoke in Boston in the daytime just because I thought the symbolic

01:43:21.120 geographic presence was important. We had a very successful event there.

01:43:27.800 And that night I went to New York City. We had Newt Gingrich and a lot of national focus

01:43:35.120 uh on that rally uh but by that night that that day was so important that night by that night

01:43:44.640 um maybe an hour into that event i'm like this is transformational some you could just see and feel

01:43:51.300 that something was happening and that we could as leaders and founders even mismanage it we're not

01:44:00.080 do our, you know, like, there was no stopping it at that point. It is going to be something.

01:44:05.860 And it was going to have a profound effect. And I can remember almost the exact second

01:44:11.500 at City Hall in New York City, sort of backstage when I just instinctually felt it. And it

01:44:21.680 was instinctual.

01:44:23.680 Yeah, well, you all got a ball rolling that really made an impact and still influencing

01:44:29.700 things today. And that's kind of what we're hoping to see some inspiration from up here.

01:44:33.720 We've got a unique opportunity coming up. I mean, some of you spoke of was rallies. Unfortunately,

01:44:37.880 we're still locked down. So that's a tool that's been taken away from us. But social media does

01:44:42.040 give us a means of broad organization. And this fall, we're actually holding a referendum on

01:44:47.580 equalization, which is a constitutionally entrenched Canadian program. It's basically

01:44:52.380 interprovincial welfare. We're always going to bleed from one province and pay another.

01:44:56.360 And again, it's usually modeled for political expediency rather than need.

01:44:59.960 Alberta has paid into it.

01:45:01.640 I think there was a couple of years in the 50s.

01:45:03.240 We got a couple million bucks out of it.

01:45:04.620 And aside from that, we've paid in every year ever since.

01:45:07.720 And we never get anything out.

01:45:09.020 I mean, let's look at the financial side of it.

01:45:13.760 That's not the only reason to do this.

01:45:17.360 But it is an immensely compelling one.

01:45:19.480 for whom I don't think those who oppose the WEXIT or separation movements would have a rebuttal.

01:45:27.420 $27 billion more is being put into Ottawa by working Albertans than they are getting back in services.

01:45:39.600 It's $6,000 a year and growing, which is the other component of this.

01:45:48.400 So when we talk about the upside potential of being bold with this,

01:45:53.840 the status quo, bad as it is, there's downside to inaction.

01:46:00.980 So you look at where is the current government of Canada trying to take things.

01:46:09.800 It doesn't, it's not realistically looking at Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and really considering the needs or challenges.

01:46:29.780 There's no reason, things would be worse in a decade if this doesn't manifest to reality.

01:46:35.300 to the point of running a risk even of social stability of the provinces in that region.

01:46:43.960 I think that would be the worst action.

01:46:46.340 I think the key now is to understand and represent the sentiments of the people

01:46:53.040 and give them the opportunity to make the decision with as much information objectively

01:46:58.780 that can be provided, you know, and it should be objective on both sides.

01:47:03.780 I get the sense it has been from the separation crowd, not so much from those opposing it.

01:47:09.600 No, and what this referendum will bring about, though, is basically a campaign summer.

01:47:14.880 I mean, the academics are already, you know, wagging their fingers, saying you can't change the Constitution this way.

01:47:19.500 You're wasting your time. They're talking down to us.

01:47:23.200 They are. But I mean, this is the opportunity to push back.

01:47:26.420 This is the opportunity to rattle them.

01:47:27.740 What is their, I mean, they cannot hold the position, nor can they intellectually be permitted to hold the position,

01:47:34.600 that there is no mechanism in place for a province with its own provincial, governmental, and political sentiments and operation to separate from Canada.

01:47:52.000 I understand that it is not clearly delineated within the Constitution.

01:47:57.740 But that's not uncommon, you know, I mean, that's not at all uncommon.

01:48:02.140 And that certainly never deterred, say, all of the European left who rushed into the European Union and sacrificed the representative democratic needs and constitutional obligations of their own governments.

01:48:23.060 No one ever paused and said, well, hold it. We don't really see anything in our Constitution.

01:48:28.440 They just forged ahead with it. Things ended up in courts. They got heard.

01:48:33.560 Probably that would happen here, maybe.

01:48:37.480 But there is a methodology, and it's been articulated as far as how it would be done.

01:48:47.720 It starts, though, with just a recognition of organization around this 41%, which, I mean, I don't know what you think of that number. 0.98

01:48:58.520 That's a strong number for something like that.

01:49:00.780 I thought it was, too. I've seen 20s, 30s. But the polling on these issues is so unreliable in the 21st century where the recipients of these questions tell pollsters, and a fraction of them do. Now it's a question of what percentage of it, what they think the right answer is, right?

01:49:23.600 you know yeah pulling is at a terrible uh record in this last year and uh particularly again when

01:49:31.100 it comes to trying to predict populism i mean it's people don't answer the pollsters but they

01:49:36.300 come out and there's no better gotv uh initiative than having again the establishment the academics

01:49:43.460 telling you in a condescending way that you're you're wasting your time and not to bother i mean

01:49:49.680 that's what gets people angry and will come out. And if we can get a, it's just on the equalization

01:49:54.740 thing, but if we could get a resounding 70% of people voting in Alberta this fall saying we've

01:50:00.420 had it with equalization, I think that's going to be a very serious and strong warning shot across

01:50:04.820 the bow of the establishment. And I think we can do it. Trudeau, 2019 got 13.7% of the vote in

01:50:12.140 alberta 26.1 in british columbia 11.6 in saskatchewan um those are not uh overwhelmingly

01:50:21.460 compelling numbers and the would certainly be you know you don't hear those numbers right

01:50:29.680 they're gonna but that's that that really represents that essentially his agenda has

01:50:38.520 no appeal whatsoever out there. And almost raises the obligation of acting, you know, on this. And

01:50:50.480 I would say, you know, you could look back on Trump's candidacy and say, well, he came out of

01:50:56.420 nowhere with this agenda to win and defied everyone. That would actually be technically

01:51:03.100 incorrect in my view. I mean, I personally give him immense credit for every aspect of winning

01:51:10.660 that campaign. But you could go back and look at Pat Buchanan, you can go back and look at

01:51:15.660 Ross Perot and the sentiments that they were beginning to try to communicate. And they were

01:51:24.420 right on many of their issues, but the country just wasn't quite ready for it at that moment.

01:51:33.100 But it was a process that proceeded incrementally, and ultimately, you referenced, you know, kind of those regions of Ohio, you know, great song, Bruce Springsteen's song, Youngstown captures the history of the working man of Youngstown,

01:51:57.940 and who built the you know the bombs that won our country's wars and contributed as the

01:52:05.380 foundational support for this country's leadership in the world uh who ultimately was forgotten

01:52:14.020 you know and you can get through those regions and understand the mindset of those people or

01:52:22.180 Or, conversely, as the media elite in our country are more inclined to do, you can never leave the island of Manhattan or your downtown D.C. offices.

01:52:38.600 And you can have a very, very quickly distorted view of what's really going on in the country because these people don't have loud voices.

01:52:48.160 they're not routinely

01:52:50.920 offering their views

01:52:55.440 they're not always comfortable offering their views

01:52:57.720 but they have views

01:52:59.220 so the hollowing out of manufacturing was a big thing

01:53:03.400 I'll tell you also the opioid crisis

01:53:05.920 was very underrated

01:53:07.800 including especially fentanyl

01:53:10.880 which hit on two big issues in Trump's candidacy

01:53:13.480 China and the open border

01:53:15.240 95% of this fentanyl 0.81

01:53:18.160 which is so lethal 100 times more potent than heroin um and create and creating kind of a 0.98

01:53:24.160 respiratory uh suppression that that um can kill quickly was 95 manufactured by the chinese 0.87

01:53:33.920 communist party um which in my view that's got to stop right now i mean it can't be like a a 0.74

01:53:41.120 a request. It's got to be a demand. And then number two, it was coming across the border,

01:53:50.240 you know, the open border. So we're losing all of these people and disproportionately it was

01:53:54.980 hitting the Midwest. So it hit Ohio real heavily. It hit Indiana real heavily. It hit Pennsylvania

01:54:03.260 real heavily, West Virginia.

01:54:05.580 And a lot of these were individuals who had come up in manufacturing.

01:54:12.460 Their parents had worked in similar functions and had introduced them to

01:54:16.680 the profession.

01:54:18.440 And, you know,

01:54:19.420 these jobs were sent away basically by a global elite who didn't care for

01:54:27.160 these people,

01:54:27.960 who didn't ever ask their views on these trade agreements or,

01:54:32.020 you know whether or not China should be considered a developing country or whether it should be put

01:54:40.700 into these global trade organizations that don't aren't things they're routinely looking at or

01:54:47.640 thinking about but they knew it wasn't they knew enough to know that something wasn't right about 0.91

01:54:52.420 it and their instincts to their great credit were more on target than just about every cyanologist 0.62

01:55:00.220 since Nixon went to meet Mao in the 70s. 0.87

01:55:07.720 Yeah, well, that's a giant elephant in the world room.

01:55:11.120 And Trudeau's weak spot with China has been noteworthy.

01:55:15.940 I mean, left, right, and center.

01:55:17.160 Again, he seems to be a Teflon leader,

01:55:19.500 but they're holding two Canadian citizens hostage right now,

01:55:22.740 and he barely utters a peep on it.

01:55:24.980 He just will not criticize China to save his life.

01:55:28.860 unfortunately, we're all paying an awful price for this nation's behavior, as you said, flooding us

01:55:33.840 with drugs that are killing our youth. I mean, we could do a whole separate show on the evils

01:55:40.180 of China right now. It's very related, though, because when you look at the other side and you 0.98

01:55:44.620 say, well, where did this whole idea come from that we would offshore our job, we would do

01:55:50.660 conscious harm to our own citizens it's so illogical right but it came from there is a grand 0.99

01:55:58.980 reset that is in place that that has been executed on by uh leaders of the world by this davos crowd 0.96

01:56:08.740 and it we would be mistaken if we just sort of view these as minor policy disagreements these

01:56:17.460 are this is a grand strategic plan very very bold one that has just been incrementally progressing

01:56:24.900 for decades now and it's had a lot of support from a lot of influential institutions and finally i

01:56:31.060 think people are awakening to the reality of how dangerous it is and how contrary it is to the

01:56:38.820 the values of Western democracy and even Western civilization.

01:56:45.060 Well, you've given us a lot to think about.

01:56:47.700 What I do appreciate, though, like I said, is it is given a bit of optimism

01:56:51.660 because there's a real sense and feeling of hopelessness and pointing out, you know,

01:56:54.540 that that quiet majority is out there.

01:56:56.980 We can we can organize, we can push back, we can make change.

01:57:01.420 We don't have to settle for the status quo.

01:57:03.300 And there's a growing segment of people who who feel the same way.

01:57:07.060 So I really, you know, appreciate with what you've done down there.

01:57:11.460 Oh, it's a pleasure, Corey.

01:57:12.640 Thanks for all you're doing.

01:57:13.620 I hope we can keep in close touch.

01:57:15.680 I mean, I'll just give you this final thought.

01:57:17.420 I saw, you know, I mentioned the moment I had transformationally in my thinking about the Tea Party revolution in 2009 in New York City.

01:57:26.140 I think there was a moment at that Edmonton Oilers Calgary Flames game where Trudeau entered like, hey, I mean, here I am, Prime Minister. 0.99

01:57:35.620 and he was just the booze just came down on him oh yeah there's no love with the trudeaus 0.94

01:57:42.340 i haven't seen that video for a while but um we should find it because there in a moment's time

01:57:51.060 you could see the sentiment and the passion that burns within these great people of the

01:57:57.460 western provinces of canada and i think it's an obligation for liberty-minded americans to

01:58:04.020 to have their back, and I certainly intend to.

01:58:07.080 Well, we really appreciate it.

01:58:08.200 I look forward to perhaps talking soon

01:58:09.880 and we will have a lot more issues developing

01:58:11.820 as this moves on in Canada.

01:58:13.160 So thanks again.

01:58:14.280 And where can we find more information actually

01:58:16.040 on what you're doing and what you're up to?

01:58:18.260 Okay, on Twitter, I am my name one word,

01:58:21.720 at Michael Johns.

01:58:23.520 On Facebook, Michael Johns Tea Party.

01:58:28.380 YouTube, my name one word, Michael Johns.

01:58:34.020 And I'm on all the emerging conservative friendly sites under, I think, pretty commonly my word.

01:58:42.600 And I'm also on Telegram, which is where I have a channel.

01:58:47.180 And that's proving to be a pretty intriguing outlet for political organization and communication.

01:58:55.800 I'll have to look into that one, too.

01:58:57.580 All right.

01:58:57.920 Thanks again.

01:58:59.120 Thank you, Corey.

01:58:59.980 Have a nice weekend.

01:59:01.140 You too.

01:59:01.520 Thanks.

01:59:04.020 Well, that was a great and interesting chat and something a little different. I see, I'll jump into it just as I saw the comment there from Claudette. 630 chat apparently is reporting the rodeo has been canceled and the cowboys have all pulled out. I don't know. I haven't heard anything about that. I do know other mainstream media was talking about saying that the rodeo organizations pulled out and that wasn't true.

01:59:24.100 uh what it was was there were two sponsoring rodeo organizations and uh they they did

01:59:31.220 were sanctioning organizations i should say and they did pull out but a third one came in and

01:59:35.140 sanctioned the event and they weren't going anywhere but the media reported as if again

01:59:38.500 that the rodeos were pulling out um when ty put it out for entrance for the rodeo i mean he had

01:59:44.980 that there had to be over a hundred entrants uh coming into this rodeo i find it very hard to

01:59:49.940 believe that they all because they knew what they were getting into to a degree with this

01:59:53.300 i can see a handful perhaps changing their minds but i i find it hard to believe that they would

01:59:57.300 all bail out but still things are developing i don't know i will look into it what i suggest is

02:00:04.660 going to uh the northcott rodeo on facebook if you're on facebook that's where he excuse me

02:00:10.420 keeps his most up-to-date uh information going on that site i'll have a look there watch the

02:00:15.380 the western standard watch my twitter account um i i'll definitely uh uh put uh what i can on it

02:00:23.980 and yeah she can have said that but uh i'm not sure if she has talked to everybody i i don't know

02:00:28.620 i i can't speak to what uh 6 30 is reporting but again seeing all the cowboys wanted nothing to do

02:00:35.020 with it well if that was the case why did a hundred and some of them sign up in the last

02:00:38.520 couple of weeks in knowing. I mean, they signed up, they entered, they paid fees.

02:00:43.920 So we'll see what's going on. I mean, we know there's some people trying their very hardest

02:00:47.880 to shut this thing down. And there's certainly a complicit media more than happy to put out as

02:00:54.000 much negative information on it as they can. I do know from talking to Ty from going to his house,

02:01:00.560 he's not letting this thing stop for anything he's worth. So let's not write this thing off yet.

02:01:05.580 don't worry about 630, Chad. There's a reason this show's getting popular. It's because talk

02:01:09.120 radio has gone to shit. So we'll see what the real facts are. Watch the Western Standard. Watch the 0.99

02:01:15.700 Twitter accounts. Watch Ty Northcott himself on Facebook. Maybe it's really canceled. I really

02:01:21.520 hope not. Either way, again, that just shows again. I'll close off. I didn't mention earlier.

02:01:26.520 Make sure to subscribe on YouTube. Subscribe to the Western Standard. You know, we don't get the

02:01:30.280 tax funding. We don't get subsidies, things like that, like some of the other outlets. We rely on

02:01:35.540 subscribers and advertisers, which is limited. So please jump on so we can keep getting this

02:01:41.640 messaging out there and promoting things like the rodeo and talking to great guests like Michael

02:01:46.820 Johns and some of the other fellows there. I will be back on Monday. I am going to have,

02:01:50.940 well, I'm going to the rodeo tomorrow, assuming it's a going. I'm going there. I'm not going to

02:01:54.280 miss it for anything. And I have Quick Dick McDick from Saskatchewan lined up to talk to me

02:01:59.900 on Monday about some of the internet censorship issues and I'll probably have another guest on

02:02:03.800 by then. So thanks for tuning in today, everybody. And hopefully and presumably there's a rodeo

02:02:09.240 tomorrow and those who can make it out there, I'll see you there. And those who don't, we will be

02:02:12.860 covering it live and as much as possible throughout. Derek's going out there and the

02:02:17.400 rest of us. So have a good weekend.

Western Standard - April 30, 2021

The Cory Morgan Show. April 29, 2021

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