Western Standard - The Cory Morgan Show： Climate Fact vs Weather Fiction

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00:01:42.000 Welcome to The Cory Morgan Show.

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00:02:00.000 We're going to go into one today that the mainstream isn't talking about so much during a crisis

00:02:04.000 in British Columbia.

00:02:06.000 We've got some terrible flooding happening out there, and we're seeing some people playing politics

00:02:10.000 with it.

00:02:11.000 Of course, well, that's the nature of politics, but we need to clarify those things.

00:02:14.000 Talk about what's really going on out there before others can take advantage of the tragedy

00:02:19.000 that's happening on our West Coast and use that for policies that really might have little to no

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00:03:02.000 So getting to where I was going with today's show, I'm going to be speaking with Michelle Sterling

00:03:06.000 from the Friends of Science.

00:03:08.000 It's an organization that's been providing counterpoints and straight science to try and at least

00:03:12.000 cut through some of the climate change rhetoric and dogma that's going on out there.

00:03:17.000 And climate change has been a big subject all week.

00:03:19.000 I mean, we just had the COP24 conference out in Glasgow where tens of thousands of worldwide

00:03:26.000 environmentalists all gathered to talk about how they were going to save us all from climate change,

00:03:30.000 emitting massive amounts of emissions on their way out there.

00:03:34.000 Jody Gondek in Calgary declared a climate emergency.

00:03:37.000 That was her top item as the mayor of Calgary, the first thing she had to do.

00:03:41.000 And now in British Columbia, we have some terrible flooding hitting out there.

00:03:45.000 Princeton's underwater, Merritt's underwater, Abbotsford's at risk.

00:03:50.000 But then we got Elizabeth May out there beaking off, saying it was caused by fossil fuels. 0.99

00:03:56.000 We have Catherine McKenna going on, saying that we need climate policy to stop these sorts of things. 0.85

00:04:01.000 It's ridiculous.

00:04:02.000 At least let the floodwaters recede before you start with your rhetoric and BS. 0.75

00:04:08.000 But we know that people like Lizzie May and the climate Barbie aren't going to hang on for,

00:04:13.000 you know, realistic evaluation of what's happened.

00:04:17.000 They want to score their political points right now.

00:04:19.000 So I'm going to have an interesting talk though with, like I said,

00:04:22.000 Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science and we'll cut through to some of what's really going on out there.

00:04:26.000 Well, thank you very much for joining me on the show again, Michelle.

00:04:31.000 It's always great getting you on and there's never a shortage of things to talk about.

00:04:35.000 Climate change is always big in the news.

00:04:37.000 And lately it's just been all over the news after the big COP26 thing in Glasgow

00:04:43.000 and our local climate emergency.

00:04:45.000 And of course that tragic situation out in BC.

00:04:48.000 So thanks for coming on today to talk to me about some of these things.

00:04:51.000 My pleasure.

00:04:52.000 Well, I guess the top of the news right now is, you know, the terrible flooding and, and, and tragic tragedy that's going on in British Columbia.

00:05:03.000 I we've seen, as I said, in my introduction, Elizabeth May and Catherine McKenna taking advantage of that situation

00:05:09.000 and trying to blame it on climate change.

00:05:11.000 And we need a little bit of reality added to what, what the causes of the circumstance are out there.

00:05:16.000 You said you had some information about the lake out there?

00:05:18.000 Yes, actually.

00:05:20.000 Well, especially in the Fraser Valley, the whole area there around Abbotsford is actually Sumas Lake.

00:05:28.000 It's a lake that was drained about a hundred years ago.

00:05:31.000 And in this little clip from Vancouver traces, it says humans have lived here for at least 10,000 years,

00:05:40.000 but many are unaware as they drive between Abbotsford and Chilliwack that they're driving along the bottom of a drained lake.

00:05:48.000 And the scariest part at the end, almost prescient now says the lake has been home of the Sumas First Nation since time immemorial

00:05:56.000 and would return in a few days if the Barrowtown pump station stopped running.

00:06:02.000 And last night Abbotsford had an emergency declaration evacuation because they were very concerned that it would go.

00:06:10.000 And I guess there's still some concern about the Nosek River, which is in the States, as I understand, flooding back over into the Canadian side.

00:06:22.000 And not to mention there's still lots of flood melt, snow melt coming down off the mountains.

00:06:28.000 So it's a big catastrophe already and could get worse, sadly, but it's not a climate change event.

00:06:36.000 It's a weather event.

00:06:38.000 It's a atmospheric river.

00:06:40.000 Yeah.

00:06:41.000 And river deltas are always, I mean, vulnerable to that sort of thing.

00:06:44.000 People have traveled, you see how flat they are.

00:06:46.000 Like for people who haven't been to New Orleans, boy, what the striking thing there is how flat that city is.

00:06:52.000 I mean, the highest point is, is the overpass is on the, on the interstate.

00:06:56.000 So you can see why it was so vulnerable to a surge of water.

00:06:59.000 I mean, we've artificially built dikes and do pumping and do what we can to make things habitable there.

00:07:04.000 But now and then we're just going to get overwhelmed.

00:07:07.000 That's right.

00:07:08.000 And not to mention one of our forestry people offered these insights on, on just the power of the water.

00:07:17.000 You know, if you take a one square meter pan and fill it with one millimeter of water, that's one liter of water.

00:07:25.000 It weighs one kilogram.

00:07:27.000 So take the last 72 hours with 150 millimeters of water, and you get some idea, not just of the depth, but the forces that are at work on these watersheds.

00:07:38.000 So this burdensome weight is also flowing down these mountains.

00:07:43.000 And this is why we see the Coquihalla ripped to shreds, you know, tremendous forces far beyond what humankind can, can even defend against in many cases.

00:07:56.000 Yeah.

00:07:57.000 I mean, the force of water can, can strip them out and clean and no time.

00:08:00.000 I mean, hydraulic gold mining used to be quite common a long time ago, and it did terrible, uh, environmental, uh, damage to areas that took, uh, decades to recover.

00:08:09.000 But, you know, we discovered that water could be very powerful in, in washing away hillsides.

00:08:13.000 Unfortunately, it could do that beyond our control as well.

00:08:16.000 Yeah.

00:08:17.000 And the problem is of course people generally over time have built on floodplains.

00:08:23.000 Uh, Calgary is a big example of that because originally people wanted to be by the river.

00:08:29.000 They used the river for transportation.

00:08:31.000 They used it for water, sanitation.

00:08:33.000 Um, so you had to be near enough to walk.

00:08:36.000 And that's why people built around rivers and on floodplains and floodplains are very fertile.

00:08:42.000 Um, Parker Gallant sent me something yesterday showing that in Manitoba, for instance, 70% of the population live on a floodplain at high risk.

00:08:52.000 But in Manitoba, they created, uh, I think it's called Duff's Ditch.

00:08:57.000 Um, they built a huge diversion, uh, tunnel.

00:09:01.000 Um, and that has really saved the city quite a few times.

00:09:05.000 They, it's still always going to be subject to flooding because it's very low land.

00:09:09.000 And again, it's the bottom of a glacial lake called Lake Agassiz or Agassiz, however you'd like to say it.

00:09:16.000 Um, so that, you know, this is quite prevalent across Canada that many places are built on floodplains and they're not built for these, uh, larger floods.

00:09:26.000 They're built for, you know, sort of small, uh, two or three feet coming up from the river.

00:09:31.000 They don't, they're not built for these kinds of, of floods.

00:09:35.000 Yeah.

00:09:36.000 Well, I guess all we can do for now is, is, is hope that mother nature relents soon and they can start rebuilding.

00:09:42.000 And as few people as possible are harmed in the, in that terrible situation in BC.

00:09:47.000 But we want to make sure that people come back with a rational response and look at how can we mitigate this in the future?

00:09:52.000 What are we going to do with it?

00:09:54.000 And where do we go from there?

00:09:55.000 So yeah, that's the big problem.

00:09:59.000 Sorry, I interrupted you, but that's the big problem with people claiming this is climate change.

00:10:04.000 You know, you're going to have a whole faction of very influential people.

00:10:07.000 I mean, remember in the Deloitte report, the government of the various governments in Canada have funded 31 ENGOs with $2.1 billion.

00:10:17.000 And these are all the climate change activists, and they're all going to be yapping about, you know, so we have to reduce fossil fuels and build wind and solar farms.

00:10:27.000 When really we have to build dikes, we have to build resilient housing, maybe even on stilts.

00:10:33.000 You know, we maybe have to rethink how some of these communities that are being wiped out are going to be rebuilt.

00:10:39.000 But certainly wind farms and solar farms are not going to do anything to prevent any future catastrophes like this.

00:10:47.000 No, I mean, we can't carbon tax our way out of this.

00:10:50.000 And we know areas that are prone to disasters.

00:10:53.000 If anybody travels the Gulf of Mexico, you do see the houses are all in stilts because they periodically get hit with hurricanes.

00:10:58.000 It's been hit down there for a thousand years and probably will be for a thousand more.

00:11:02.000 Yeah. And, you know, that's I guess also we had mentioned something about the Calgary Declaration for a Climate Emergency.

00:11:09.000 And that's really sort of the insult, shall we say, of these cities declaring climate emergencies when very real, destructive, tragic emergencies, real emergencies like the one going on in BC happen.

00:11:25.000 And yet these people sitting in council chambers are voting for a climate emergency declaration when nothing of the sort is going on.

00:11:35.000 There's no climate emergency.

00:11:37.000 You know, this whole climate emergency thinking comes from misuse of what's known as the RCP 8.5, which is a scenario that is implausible.

00:11:50.000 But it's the one that's been most used in evaluating future projections of climate change and temperature.

00:11:57.000 And that's why it feels like there's been a catastrophe.

00:12:00.000 But the most recent IPCC report, if you actually read the full report and not the politicized summary for policymakers, if you read the full report or if you read proper analysis of the full report, like by Roger Plk Jr., you find that actually this RCP 8.5 is no longer being used.

00:12:22.000 It's not considered to be our future and that means the climate emergency is over and we do have time.

00:12:29.000 Well, we spend our time nitpicking over emissions and virtue signaling with climate emergencies when we got real things we could work on, like forest fires.

00:12:37.000 Proper forest management can really mitigate and reduce the risks and intensity of forest fires, but we aren't focused on that because everybody's talking about this bigger climate change picture.

00:12:47.000 That's right. I mean, if you look at Logan Lake in BC this summer, they were surrounded by fire, but they followed all the fire smart recommendations.

00:12:57.000 And anyone who's listening, if you're in Canada, I suggest that you look up fire smart and see how you can protect your own home or your own community by using these recommendations.

00:13:09.000 And also in the States, you can look up fire wise.

00:13:12.000 So there are very practical considerations, you know, like moving shrubbery 100.

00:13:18.000 I think it's 100 meters from your house.

00:13:20.000 You know, just the setbacks of vegetation makes a huge difference as to whether or not your house goes up in flames or whether just your shrubs go up in flames.

00:13:31.000 Having a metal roof, cleaning out your drains and gutters, you know, a lot of them are fairly simple, but people maybe don't think about them or they have all kinds of junk stacked on their deck.

00:13:43.000 Well, if you get any kind of embers that land on that junk, it'll go up on your deck and then your house will go up.

00:13:51.000 So, you know, fire smart, fire wise, the Logan Lake success was never headline news across Canada.

00:13:58.000 The only thing they talked about was the wildfire that burnt down Lytton and Lytton actually has been burnt down four times before in the past.

00:14:07.000 So, you know, people also need to take a look at history before they start putting the climate change label on top of everything.

00:14:14.000 Because most of these things happened before.

00:14:16.000 Yeah.

00:14:17.000 We just want to mitigate.

00:14:18.000 We do want to make things better.

00:14:20.000 Similarly, if you do live in an area that's prone to flooding, there's things you can do with your landscaping.

00:14:25.000 You might want to have a secondary pump at your house to be able to pump your basement if the water's coming up on you.

00:14:31.000 I mean, there's things you can do.

00:14:32.000 And if we keep talking about this big, broad picture, you might ignore the smaller things that are actually going to have a much more direct impact on your safety and the protection of your property.

00:14:40.000 That's right.

00:14:41.000 I mean, once in my parents' house, which they had parched the basement and done all kinds of things to protect it, there was flooding in the basement.

00:14:50.000 And I went outside to see what was happening.

00:14:52.000 And I realized that the county had never dug a ditch on one side of the road.

00:14:57.000 And all the water was pouring through the ditch and straight into their backyard and into the basement.

00:15:02.000 So, you know, things like that, if you do a proper reconnaissance of your property and watch when it rains, where does it go?

00:15:11.000 Where is it coming from?

00:15:12.000 Where does it go?

00:15:13.000 And, you know, you can get professional people in to help you redirect that water, not to mention all the other things that there's lots of tips online.

00:15:23.000 Of course, you know, when it's catastrophic flooding, some of those things are beyond anyone, but, you know, to label it as climate change is ridiculous.

00:15:33.000 Yeah.

00:15:34.000 They're taking advantage of a tragic weather event.

00:15:37.000 Yeah.

00:15:38.000 So getting to the broader picture, I mean, the Glasgow conference came out 40,000 of our betters gathered mostly by air and have determined how they're going to save the world.

00:15:48.000 What was your interpretation of their conclusions this time around?

00:15:51.000 Well, you know, it's amazing how they all got together and decided on things that probably can't be done.

00:16:02.000 Like Robert Lyman wrote a report for our short commentary for us called Theatre of the Absurd.

00:16:08.000 That's how he sees these conferences.

00:16:11.000 And he's saying, you know, that all of these conferences, they don't have any legal effect, which is pretty good other than Kyoto.

00:16:21.000 But then we backed out of it, which is smart of us.

00:16:24.000 They're mostly based on bribes, like the Paris Agreement was based on the bribe of providing $100 billion a year to developing nations for them to get on board.

00:16:37.000 And this Green Climate Fund would be handed out to them with no accountability.

00:16:42.000 And just so you know, the people who could apply for the Green Climate Fund would include wealthy countries like Saudi Arabia, China, and some of the other very wealthy oil producing nations.

00:16:58.000 And countries that would have to be paying in would be countries like us and bankrupt Greece would even have to pay into this fund.

00:17:06.000 So this time, like they never did get that money together.

00:17:10.000 And actually in the September of 2019, China and India went to the New York Climate Conference and said, hey, pay up.

00:17:18.000 You know, you wanted us to be on board.

00:17:21.000 We played along.

00:17:22.000 Show us the money.

00:17:24.000 So this time at COP, they decided these countries are coming back and saying, well, we want a trillion dollars.

00:17:31.000 Or I think Africa wants $3 trillion.

00:17:34.000 So some of the points that Robert makes here that they've agreed to phase down, excuse me, unabated coal power.

00:17:44.000 Well, of course, most of the developing world runs on coal.

00:17:49.000 And why not?

00:17:50.000 You know, it's really abundant.

00:17:52.000 It has been cheap until now.

00:17:54.000 The price is going up with the energy crisis.

00:17:57.000 But, you know, you can store at one power plant enough coal for a whole year, which you can't do with anything else.

00:18:06.000 I mean, this is why the UK is having energy problems because they've run out of reserve natural gas.

00:18:14.000 And of course, natural gas can't just be dumped on the ground.

00:18:18.000 It has to be in highly pressurized containers.

00:18:21.000 So you have to have a constant supply and you have to have experts running it.

00:18:25.000 Whereas with coal, I mean, even if you're an ordinary citizen, if you have a lump of coal, you can put it on the grill.

00:18:30.000 You can put it on the grill and, you know, you can you can generate heat or cooking and COP decided to move toward ending inefficient fossil fuel subsidies.

00:18:42.000 But unsurprisingly, there is no reference to eliminating hopelessly inefficient subsidies to wind and solar.

00:18:49.000 And COP26 agreed to recognize a need for a just transition.

00:18:57.000 Well, who would argue for an unjust transition?

00:19:00.000 This is what Robert writes.

00:19:02.000 Just transition is code for endorsing the need for governments having subsidized non-fossil fuel alternatives and driven energy miners out of business.

00:19:12.000 Then to subsidize the unemployed workers so they can move to lower paying jobs.

00:19:17.000 Doesn't sound that just to me.

00:19:19.000 So this is on our blog.

00:19:23.000 It's called the theater of the absurd.

00:19:26.000 And so if you want to read all the details that Robert writes up here about what they quote unquote accomplished, please feel free.

00:19:36.000 It's they really didn't accomplish much.

00:19:39.000 And they did launch this group called the Beyond Oil and Gas Alliance.

00:19:44.000 Well, these are this includes Quebec and California, which is ironic since Quebec has a huge oil and gas industry and in refining.

00:19:54.000 And California is also competing all the time with Texas.

00:19:59.000 But it's no doubt that this alliance makes it more palatable to their citizens because they're both so green in Quebec and California.

00:20:12.000 And, you know, so I mean, I actually Alok Sharma at the end of the COP conference was almost crying.

00:20:21.000 And this is a grown man crying about a conference that didn't come together the way they assumed it would, you know, which really is theater of the absurd.

00:20:33.000 It really is crazy.

00:20:34.000 I do appreciate the work that you and the Friends of Science do in cutting through this.

00:20:38.000 So where can people go to because you're always putting out new articles and updates and things such as that?

00:20:43.000 Where can they keep up to date with what you guys are up to?

00:20:45.000 Well, you can go to our main website, www.friendsofscience.org.

00:20:51.000 There's a link there for our blog.

00:20:54.000 You can go to our YouTube page.

00:20:56.000 We do all kinds of little commentaries.

00:20:58.000 I did one about the dinosaur that they used as a prop for COP26.

00:21:04.000 Really sciencey guys.

00:21:06.000 And we have a Facebook page.

00:21:09.000 We're on Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn.

00:21:12.000 Actually, LinkedIn had taken us down a couple of weeks ago, but they finally put us back up.

00:21:18.000 So we'd love to have people engage in the conversation and help us keep censorship away.

00:21:26.000 Great.

00:21:27.000 Well, please keep fighting the good fight and thank you again for coming on.

00:21:31.000 I'm certain we'll be talking again soon.

00:21:33.000 Okay.

00:21:34.000 My pleasure.

00:21:35.000 Thanks, Corey.

00:21:56.000 Thank you.

00:21:57.000 Thank you.

Western Standard - November 30, 2021

The Cory Morgan Show： Climate Fact vs Weather Fiction

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