On today's show we have a Canadian liberty icon, Tory MP Tim Mahoney on the show. We talk about Canada Day and the "anti-abortion" protests that took place across the country, and why we need to stand up for our rights.
00:02:44.460That's all we need is a terrible forest fire year to add to everything else we've been suffering under this last 16 months.
00:02:51.200but let's let's just hope for the best and and push on i hope everybody had a good time yesterday
00:02:57.220i know there were a lot of people saying you should all hang your heads in shame and misery
00:03:00.460and and you know express uh uh apologies and and then feeling bad about yourself for what people
00:03:07.520did a hundred years ago because they feel you're responsible for today and of course they're they're
00:03:11.960full of shit but uh most people ignored that went out had a good time yesterday uh unfortunately you0.88
00:03:17.900the hot weather brought out some of the extreme too and we saw that with uh people protesting
00:03:23.260against chandra when we saw that with uh more church vandalism and and people talk about uh
00:03:28.620how terrible canada is as a country yet they're enjoying all those freedoms that allowed them to
00:03:33.340go out and march and talk about how terrible canada is as a country it's quite an irony with
00:03:37.180that other way i've got tim mohan on as a guest today he's the uh leader of the canadian libertarian
00:03:43.260party the federal one he's been in for seven years there he's decided to hang up his hat from that
00:03:47.420role that's been a long stretch and that's a tough tough role to take on an important one you know
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00:03:57.100uh you're dealing with a lot of very difficult people to manage and he's his patience has been
00:04:01.180outstanding and his messaging has always been consistent and good so i'm looking forward to
00:04:05.500talk to him it's going to be uh hard for that party to find somebody who can uh reasonably
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00:06:48.140You shouldn't have to explain yourself. Speaking of not having to explain yourself, you know I get
00:06:53.320tired of people saying, why do you whine so much about the mask? So they aren't such a big deal.
00:06:56.940You know what? I don't have to justify why I don't want to wear a mask. I don't. You liberty robbing
00:07:03.720kooks who want to have laws force me to wear a mask have to justify it. You're the ones. The
00:07:09.540burden of proof isn't on me. I get sick of that. People saying, you know, you've got to justify
00:07:13.380why you don't want to wear a mask. No, I don't. I do not at all. And the medical evidence is not
00:07:19.180there. It's questionable on how effective they've been anywhere in reducing spread of COVID.
00:07:27.540There's a number of things that we seem to be finding that reduce spread of COVID. There's
00:07:31.200seasonal trends. There's no doubt about that. And of course, people will already debate on
00:07:37.320their vaccinations. But the bottom line is, Alberta's COVID cases are down to next to nothing.
00:07:43.100People aren't dying. I mean, there's barely any. And again, there are people who are in their 80s.
00:07:47.280there are people who are already sick. Your chances of dying of COVID now in Alberta on a
00:07:51.340day-to-day basis are well under one in two million. That's where it's sitting at. So no,
00:07:55.940I don't want to wear your frigging mask. Forget it. And almost all of Alberta
00:08:01.640has gotten rid of their mask legislation. Almost all, except for Calgary. Yeah,
00:08:10.080they had an inchie and uh you know six of his little uh buddies there on council had managed to
00:08:18.560get the uh mass bylaw extended they're going to meet on monday to re-evaluate and see whether or
00:08:23.360not they they want to keep it longer so while everybody else in alberta has uh already been
00:08:29.520unmasked uh since canada day calgary is stuck in those laws and i don't know i've written on it
00:08:37.360you can go to the westernstandardonline.com. I've written a couple of columns on that. I mean,
00:08:41.020the bottom line is it's an NSHE trying to score political points. That's all it is.
00:08:44.920There's no two ways about it. And it puts people in an awkward spot. You know, I know some people
00:08:52.960are saying just ignore it. And I think for the most part, do it. But the problem is they put
00:08:57.340the enforcement on the business owners, you know, and that puts them on the spot. And I went through
00:09:03.320that when I'd fight with people when I used to own the pub, for example, in Prittis. You know,
00:09:07.300you get somebody coming in and they're over-served and they're saying, I don't care. It's only me.
00:09:10.980You serve me. Well, sorry, but unfortunately through the laws, I'm now your babysitter.
00:09:15.380And if I over-serve you, you aren't responsible for what you do afterwards, but I'll be. And they
00:09:21.760can pull my license. They can shut my pub down. They could sue me. There's a number of things
00:09:27.020that could happen. And it's wrong, but it's the way it is right now. And so the business owner
00:09:30.800gets punished for the irresponsibility of others and this mask bylaw unfortunately kind of does
00:09:35.840the same thing so if you go into a store a small one and ahs comes in and they haven't tried to0.96
00:09:42.800make you mask up or haven't kicked you out you know for not wearing a mask it's the store owner
00:09:47.900can end up getting fined and it's ridiculous and again it puts their staff on the spot
00:09:52.420um so i say ignore some of the mask bylaws by all means go around but don't be like one of those
00:09:57.680The lunatics, you know, like, again, Kevin Johnson and his buddies were going into stores and harassing innocent workers and business owners and being belligerent about it.
00:10:08.120If they say, we need you to wear the mask or leave, just leave.
00:10:11.640But put the pressure on the politicians reasonably, reasonably push back.
00:10:17.140Again, not like the lunatics who were out there hounding and harassing Tyler Shandro's wife and children yesterday.
00:15:01.120there certainly is and this uh of all years has been i guess i i would say one of the most
00:15:06.720challenging and dejecting uh as far as liberty lovers go uh that we've seen in living memory i
00:15:13.200i mean not just the the eagerness with the state to crack down on our liberties we weren't really
00:15:17.920surprised by that but the willingness of the populace to just go along with it uh so i mean
00:15:24.420your role has been more as important as ever and difficult as ever uh i appreciate what you've done
00:15:29.820but we've heard word you've, after what, seven years, you're going to be stepping aside as the
00:15:34.000leader of the Libertarian Party at Canada. Yeah, yeah. It's time to hand the torch off to someone
00:15:39.560with a bit more energy and maybe a little bit more optimism and less cynicism. You know, being in this
00:15:44.640role for seven years kind of beats a guy down over time and the party deserves someone who has
00:15:50.300some fresh energy. So, you know, it's time for me to take a break and, you know, I'll still be
00:15:55.500involved with the party and supporting it. And, you know, maybe I'll take on a board role or
00:15:59.500something that that's a little less that requires a little less commitment and and energy let's say
00:16:06.520so yeah it's it has been a challenging year you're right and and you know a lot of us
00:16:12.800liberty activists let's say waver between optimism and pessimism over the over the years as we fight
00:16:22.500this battle and you know this last year it's been really hard to maintain optimism and you know you
00:16:27.400rightly point out that it's not just the predictable government imposition in positions,
00:16:33.540but it's now kind of like slave on slave control. Right. And, you know, I'm already hearing from
00:16:40.340people that all these restrictions that remain are the fault of people that aren't vaccinated
00:16:47.620because they're the ones that are causing this. Right. And, you know, the example I used on another
00:16:53.480interview i had was you know imagine you're on a slave plantation and a couple of the slaves aren't
00:16:58.720following the master's rules to a t and maybe you know they're staying up later than they should and
00:17:03.600not uh putting out enough work or something like that and so the master punishes all the slaves
00:17:09.120because these two yahoos aren't being good slaves and uh you know what we're seeing is equivalent to0.96
00:17:15.800the slaves turning on each other rather than the master who's literally owning them and forcing
00:17:22.840them to work. So this is, you know, the blame is ought to be directed at government and officials
00:17:29.000and not at our fellows. But here we are. And, you know, it's hard to maintain any optimism
00:17:34.140in this state. So, you know, part of me thinks, well, batten down the hatches. It's, you know,
00:17:40.100just survive the coming, you know, statism on steroids, a great reset, whatever you want to
00:17:48.200call it i mean this this is not over right the government has learned from us that um we are
00:17:54.800compliant and we will obey each other and turn on each other and you know they've softened us up
00:18:00.000uh considerably over the past year and uh now here we are and and you know this is just this is just
00:18:06.300the start you know we're gonna get some of our liberties back i you know i'm raw dog in the air
00:18:11.840with my face right now um you know and and in my community that you know masks are off now
00:18:18.320that's great uh but let's not fool ourselves the next thing on the agenda is going to be climate
00:18:23.920uh if you don't have correct uh a correct narrative when it comes to the climate you're
00:18:29.420going to be ostracized from society in the same way people that refuse to mask and aren't getting
00:18:33.900vaccinated are going to be you know they're the untouchable class right we we have kind of this1.00
00:18:39.560apartheid of people who are compliant and will believe and parrot everything the government0.78
00:18:46.920and the establishment media uh tells them to parrot and then there's those who are not compliant
00:18:53.720and not parroting everything and the people that aren't compliant we're seeing exactly what is going
00:18:59.240to happen to them they are not going to be allowed to participate in society uh like the rest of us
00:19:04.200so that so um you know i suspect that trend will continue it'll just be under a different guise
00:19:09.240maybe not a pandemic maybe it'll be uh you know the untouchables are those who put our the fate0.93
00:19:15.280of planet earth in danger by denying climate catastrophe narrative uh or you know who knows
00:19:21.480what it'll be but uh yeah it's i won't lie to you i i think some of the what i've seen over the past
00:19:28.020year from my fellow canadians has uh has kind of just drained drained the energy from me and
00:19:34.280made me realize, you know, maybe I'm fighting for the wrong people here. Maybe I should just
00:19:39.580focus on my family and, or something for a while. Yeah. It just gets exhausting. But I mean,
00:19:48.000as you've stated, I expect it's any, you'll take a breather, but you're not going anywhere in the
00:19:52.360long run. No, I got a lot of opinions in me, Corey, and they got to come out and, you know,
00:19:57.340so yeah, I'm not going anywhere, but yeah, I got to take, I got to take a bit of a breather.
00:20:03.460Well, and that precedent, as you said, like, one of the things I found really chilling a little while back is it came out of, I believe, Joe Biden, and he was talking, you know, of course, we see these sporadic issues concerning racism and things like that.
00:20:16.720But he called racism a public health emergency and that that terminology right off the bat.
00:20:22.820Whoa. Now, here you have taken directly from this recent excuse to crack down on every civil liberty known and you're applying it to something completely unrelated.
00:20:33.540And I just see that as you're using it as justification.
00:20:35.660Of course, we're going to see that, as you said, with with climate change and pretty much anywhere else where the government wants to bypass the constitutional or charter checks and balances we have in our individual rights.
00:20:45.040As long as they can somehow call it a public health emergency, we're all up shit creek.
00:20:55.280When I opened up Facebook yesterday, I got this message saying that you people, you know, may have been exposed to extremist views and you can get support for that.
00:21:03.860Some people are getting messages saying that they themselves were exposed to extremist views and they can get support for that.
00:21:26.360And so it seems just a little suspicious, let's say, that at the same time, they're using
00:21:33.820all this language about how racism, okay, having particular thoughts in your head creates
00:21:40.540a public health emergency well it's not hard to connect the dots here and say well if you don't
00:21:44.780have correct think on climate that's a public health emergency that's you're you're in danger
00:21:49.340you're like a virus in the population spreading these dangerous ideas that can lead to dangerous
00:21:54.940outcomes and catastrophe so and facebook is right in there with these warnings that we've been
00:22:01.340exposed to these uh toxins or viruses or you know extremist ideas um it's uh yeah it's really
00:22:11.660troubling well yeah and i mean extremism that that's a pretty uh subjective sort of point of
00:22:17.420uh view on what may or may not be extreme i mean southern supporters of emancipation in the 1850s
00:22:23.100would have been considered extremists by their contemporaries at that time uh thankfully well
00:22:27.900Well, yeah. A lot of them didn't back down.
00:22:31.320Well, yeah. And look, you know, here we have essentially that they're they're only distinguishing factor between a government and a criminal cartel is that most people believe what the government's doing is moral.
00:22:42.580Right. But by by any objective measure, you know, the institution, the cartel has done, you know, industrial scale kidnapping, forcible confinement, theft through taxation.
00:22:57.400They call it taxation, but it's theft, you know, murder.
00:23:02.380All these things are done by this organization.
00:23:06.000and yet most of the people i see want this same organization that that commits murder
00:23:10.820rape uh assault fraud uh theft you know kidnapping they want that organization to be in charge of
00:23:19.280health care and education and thought control really now um by by the looks of things so you
00:23:25.800tell me what is that not extremism is that not an extremist view maybe it's the popular opinion
00:23:32.300and then the zeitgeist now that everyone believes and you know but i think that's extremism and i'm
00:23:39.340simply challenging that narrative and saying hey look uh you know you don't have the right to do
00:23:43.640these things to me even if you win a popularity contest and call yourself the government and call
00:23:49.380your theft taxation you still don't have the right to do all these things to me i don't think that's
00:23:53.120extremist i think that's just common sense and that's that's uh you know uh normal that ought
00:23:58.320ought to be the norm but I'm the one considered extreme here I I don't think so yeah well and as
00:24:04.800you said you kind of touched a little on the irony of some of the people that are I mean it it should
00:24:09.500have been a moment of revelation now that everybody's kind of realizing the horrors of
00:24:12.800the residential school system and they've seen it's in their face it was always there we just0.64
00:24:17.120haven't talked about it it was that that the little thing you know that we didn't want to
00:24:20.980face I mean the bottom line was the government took people forcibly from their families and
00:24:26.720put them into schools to reprogram them. Now, people are rightly horrified in, in facing this,
00:24:32.640but a lot of the same people, as you said, who were really losing it over this are the same
00:24:36.480people who want more government, more intrusion on our lives. When you should be coming to the
00:24:40.880conclusion, this is why we have to deep, you know, take the power away from the government,
00:24:45.200empower the individual so that this sort of thing can never happen again. They're taking
00:24:48.960away the wrong lesson from this, this horror. Right, right. Yeah. So here, here were, uh,
00:24:54.320people who had an extremist views, right? What I would call statism, which they acted on in
00:25:00.800earnest belief. They believe that for the greater good, they can kidnap these kids, rip them away
00:25:06.440from their families, tear families apart, put them in these abusive institutions where they
00:25:12.840suffered horrible abuse and death quite often. But the same institution ought to be in charge
00:25:21.880of our education today and and look we still have some remnants of this right I mean look if you
00:25:27.660take your kid out of school and don't report to the government what curriculum your kid is learning
00:25:33.140if you refuse to pay the taxes that support government schools the guns will come out right
00:25:38.660I had someone on on Twitter say well no one ever forced me to school at gunpoint okay here's an
00:25:43.480experiment for you if you want to see the guns here's what you do stop paying the taxes that
00:25:48.300that uh support public schools okay stop uh sending your kids to school and refuse to report
00:25:55.360to the government what kind of learning activities your kids are doing and then when the enforcers
00:25:59.840come and and uh demand to see proof refuse and when they escalate force just respond in kind
00:26:07.900the guns will come out believe me yeah i don't recommend this experiment by the way but everything
00:26:12.660the government does is backed up by violence and guns and um you know that's why it ought to be
00:26:17.480limited because uh we don't want a society that's organized around uh violence and coercion um and
00:26:24.960but but these people without any hint of irony they will gladly support public schools and by
00:26:30.160the way public schools outstrip even the catholic church in terms of sexual abuse physical abuse of
00:26:35.840children i mean most children will never the first time they ever experience violence is at a public
00:26:42.620school uh you know from kids who are all trapped there and and torn away from their homes different
00:26:48.460things like that so it's just uh a little bit rich for for the same people that support these
00:26:54.140violent institutions to be crying uh about residential schools they they're the ones that1.00
00:27:00.380would have wholeheartedly supported residential schools back in the day and and they're supporting
00:27:05.740the equivalent uh you know maybe not as bad but uh in this you know on the spectrum let's say
00:27:11.340of evil today so well that's it because of those that patronizing top-down government statement of
00:27:17.660for your own good i mean that's what the whole residential school system was i'm sure some
00:27:21.820people were protesting it at the time but we're saying it's for their own good yes how dehumanizing
00:27:27.740that's to say they don't know what's good for them we've got to do that but that's what we're
00:27:31.020seeing with these health restrictions now and we're going to see with climate restrictions
00:27:34.940we're going to see uh you know potentially with any number of things now you've again you've
00:27:40.620tried and you've done a very good job like the libertarian party's kind of unique i mean it's
00:27:43.900never it's been around since 72 it's well established it's never really i i guess tried
00:27:50.060to be a contender for the mainstream in politics it's represented a distinctive point of view just
00:27:55.340so that voice can get out there uh and that role remains important but i mean how can we get more
00:28:02.060liberty-minded policy more liberty-minded people on on any level of government i mean that's the
00:28:06.780the thing is campaigning on pure liberty i i know from the last federal election though my campaign
00:28:11.100was very limited you know it's difficult i mean you've got to spend a lot of time at every doorstep
00:28:14.460to try and explain what's going on uh well look it it it absolutely is a grind and you know and
00:28:23.080unfortunately it's the only thing i believe that will get us freedom you know um you you can take
00:28:29.240two tacks with politics there are two strategies one is you uh try to collect votes and get elected
00:28:35.720and try to pull some legislative levers and make change and give people freedom.
00:28:55.460And that's what conservative policy is today.
00:28:58.320You know, and look, if you are chasing votes, that's exactly what you have to do.
00:29:02.100You have to do what Aaron O'Toole is doing, which is fit right neatly in the middle or as close to the middle as you can of the Overton window.
00:29:11.660Right. And and as over time, the Overton window is shifting further left and further left.
00:29:17.420And and so if you want to win votes, you have to you have to, you know, fit directly in that middle of that Overton window.
00:29:24.920Now, and so therein lies the problem is who's controlling the Overton window?
00:29:30.220What narrative is shifting it towards the left?
00:29:33.720Well, it's all the radicals on the left.
00:29:38.200It's the SJWs and even the socialists in the NDP and the Green Party.
00:29:49.000And these are unapologetically people that are just standing for what they believe in,
00:29:54.980even though I think it's an evil belief system.
00:29:57.440uh but they are they are they're not interested in getting votes they're interested in shifting
00:30:02.020culture and so i see that role as being left unattended uh on in the liberty forum right i
00:30:08.860mean conservatives are are mostly focused on getting votes i mean even the ppc there's a lot
00:30:13.620of overlapping uh policies between us the libertarian party and the ppc but the big difference
00:30:18.680is they're focused on getting votes right and and we see this over and over again with these
00:30:23.080conservative parties that pop up because because of course the conservative base who generally like
00:30:28.700freedom who are generally kind of rural and don't see much need for government and are common sense
00:30:33.300folk um they you know they they don't like the left and so they line up with conservatives but
00:30:40.040the problem is over time the conservative parties that are trying to win elections they leave their
00:30:45.520base behind because they have to they have to um kind of pander to the leftist narrative and this
00:30:51.660is why you know aaron o'toole has a climate policy and you know they have various social
00:30:57.260activist policies in in their thing and you know they won't get too extreme in terms of giving us
00:31:02.780freedom they're not really pushing for less gun control they're just maybe marginally just a tiny
00:31:09.280bit um and and so you know people get disenfranchised with them and then you have these splinter
00:31:15.580conservative parties pop up like you know in the 90s it was the reform party and and what we see
00:31:20.620happen you know in alberta it was the wild rose party we love those parties and just like we
00:31:25.660love the ppc but you know the problem is that that as long as you're focused on winning elections
00:31:31.580and getting votes these conservative splinter conservative parties that are a little bit more
00:31:36.400principled are bound to become slide right back into the middle of the overton window as they
00:31:41.720gain popularity they merge with the the progressive conservatives or whatever they form a new party
00:31:46.860that party eventually slides right down back into the center of the overton window because that's
00:31:51.300where you have to be if you want to win votes and so what i suspect will happen with a lot of these
00:31:56.500parties like the ppc is as they gain popularity if they gain popularity um they're gonna be faced
00:32:02.760with a decision okay we're now in a position where we've got a number of seats in parliament
00:32:07.480do we um want to actually form government do we actually want to form a majority government how
00:32:13.020are we going to do that? We're going to have to soften our policies and our platforms. We're
00:32:18.100going to have to maybe consider merging with what's left of the CCP. And, you know, the history
00:32:23.280continues repeating itself. And eventually we end up with the Overton window continuing to slide to
00:32:28.300the left. Now, what I think is the answer to that and what I have a hard time convincing people is,
00:32:34.460but what this is what the Libertarian Party to me is all about, is we've had the same policies
00:32:39.100and platforms since 1972 we've been against uh lockdowns and restrictions in a public health
00:32:44.600crisis since 1972 our policies don't change we we are focused on shifting people on shifting
00:32:51.660culture on being the radicals uh for liberty that is missing in the in the cultural milieu or
00:32:57.520narrative and you know our success to us is when the other parties are eventually forced to adopt
00:33:03.880uh our our policy ideas our platform ideas because culture just demands it so so that's a win for me
00:33:11.540it's not you know and so with that strategy no we will never form government we may never even get
00:33:17.200a seat in parliament uh but that's not the win for us a win for us as a free society and shifting
00:33:22.900culture uh is what's required and saying unpopular things and challenging culture it doesn't get you
00:33:29.140lot of votes and that that is you know it's frustrating for people who's who hear these
00:33:33.940ideas of liberty and individual uh responsibility and they're attracted to it and they're like man
00:33:40.100i've never heard this philosophy before this is makes so much sense and i'm just gonna have to
00:33:45.780as soon as i get out there and campaign and people will recognize the truth of it and they'll vote
00:33:49.520for me and of course they are deathly dejected when that doesn't happen they're like i put in
00:33:54.580all this work and I got one per one or two percent of the vote well no you know so so to me the metric
00:33:59.960of success and the only game that matters is are we making more libertarians are you know because
00:34:04.800that's the political spectrum it's authoritarian versus libertarian you know you can have left
00:34:09.520leftist authoritarianism or leftist flavored authoritarianism or right-wing flavored
00:34:14.580authoritarianism but it's all authoritarianism so the real test is are you libertarian or
00:34:20.140authoritarian where are you at on that spectrum and unless we make more libertarians we're never
00:34:25.020going to see the kind of government you and i or probably the listeners to the show want to see
00:34:29.460it's the culture you know government is downstream from culture and so until culture shifts we're not
00:34:35.300going to see that and so i think um you know the work that the libertarian party does is and
00:34:39.620continues to be the most important we're literally the only ones playing the real game against a huge
00:34:46.220horde of leftists who are also playing the real game um you know and and no one on the right or
00:34:52.060in liberty circles uh seems to understand that they're we're too focused on getting votes and
00:34:57.340informing government and getting seats so um you know i think i think that is uh the importance
00:35:03.020of the libertarian party and why i'll continue to support it yeah no i'm glad we mentioned a bit of
00:35:09.740that like some people have talked to me i've run for a number of alternative parties over the years
00:35:14.220um and uh it's it's empowering in some senses when you run and you know uh barring some bizarre
00:35:21.180scandal or miracle you're not going to win the seat so your point then is to stay on messaging
00:35:25.740and hopefully get that word out there that wouldn't have gotten out there otherwise like
00:35:29.100when i ran for the libertarian party in 2015 i think it was i knew i wasn't going to unseat
00:35:33.900john barlow in southern alberta it just wasn't going to happen but what i did do was i was the
00:35:38.860only candidate at the forums to put his feet to the fire on supply management and if i hadn't
00:35:43.660have been there nobody would have spoken to that policy nobody would have been able to have that
00:35:48.140crowd say holy crap i never realized just how stupid the damn policy is and in a small way0.88
00:35:53.260hopefully i had a little bit of influence there and chipping away at that and with a number of
00:35:57.420candidates across the country doing the same thing you can bring things to the fore and and
00:36:02.540the party is a mechanism in order to do it and it does influence the decision makers even if it
00:36:07.180doesn't feel like a in a large way i mean you'll have zero influence if you don't get out there
00:36:11.820Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, look, the metric of success is, are there more libertarians in Canada today than there were when we started our activism in the party? And I think the resounding answer is yes. And even the PPC and a lot of the success they're having, I think, is a result of us clearing the way and making more libertarians.
00:36:32.520You know, a lot of their policies are essentially lifted directly from us and had our people in there helping them. So that is a win for us. That's moving things in the right direction. And, you know, I had the same experience. I ran in 2015 in Calgary, Signal Hill. And I went there because Ron Leipert was the incumbent conservative and he's a red Tory.
00:36:56.680And he was in charge of the health. He was a health minister when Alberta provincialized emergency medical services. Now, I'm a paramedic firefighter, paramedic by trade. And this was deeply hurt my profession that this conservative socialized ambulance services and it had the expected effects.
00:37:19.240I mean, you know, we're in a code red all the time, which means no ambulance is available to respond all the time because it's a provincially run bureaucratic resource.
00:37:29.960And this is what happens in socialism.
00:37:31.240You have, you know, limited resources and no mechanism to expand the resources.
00:37:37.980And so I ran against Leipzig because I wanted to hold his feet to the fire.
00:54:20.600We isolate them and make them even more lonely and think that that's going to solve the problem.
00:54:23.980But now that we have that on steroids, I mean, all the people, collective and society
00:54:32.120and community seem to be the one promoting all these policies that have us all atomized
00:54:37.260and isolated in our own homes and using, you know, these electronic kind of virtual or fake
00:54:43.860means of connecting, holding society together. And we need face-to-face contact. We need human
00:54:49.740touch. We need to feel that love from each other and that support from each other. And the bigger
00:54:55.460government gets, the less we have of that. Because, you know, I've said this for years,
00:55:01.220we've outsourced our sense of personal responsibility to the government. You know,
00:55:05.600So when my neighbor falls on hard times and loses his jobs or becomes disabled or something
00:55:09.600like that, I don't feel any sense of duty or obligation or responsibility to my neighbor
00:55:14.760because I know there's someone else that's looking after that.
00:55:17.640There's someone else that's responsible for that.
00:55:19.800I see this in emergency services all the time.
00:55:22.880People will, you know, I remember getting called for a house fire once and, you know,
00:55:29.200I asked dispatch, I was the first arriving officer so that I was going to be taking
00:55:33.780incident command and you know this I wanted to have some information are there people in the
00:55:38.920house how bad is the fire you know what's going on and and dispatch said well we don't know if
00:55:43.800there's anybody in the house or how involved it is the person was just driving by and saw the fire
00:55:49.060and reported I'm like who doesn't feel a sense of duty or obligation to at least knock on the door
00:55:54.840we don't expect you to run into a burning building and pull people out be a hero but at least try to
00:55:59.100help a little bit I mean wouldn't that be what a normal human would do and of course we get there
00:56:04.660and and like three fire halls screaming through traffic probably calling causing multiple fender
00:56:10.180benders to get to this burning house and save some people arrived to find that it was the reflection0.90
00:56:15.900of the sunset in the picture window because someone didn't have the common sense or sense
00:56:21.160of personal responsibility and then later on that day remember the whole city of Fort McMurray was
00:56:26.820shut down because of this Amber Alert issue, because the child was being kidnapped, abducted
00:56:34.860at a playground in broad daylight at about 6 p.m. And when all things shook out, it turned out it
00:56:42.360was the kid's uncle who was taking her home for supper. She didn't want to go. She wanted to stay
00:56:46.440playing, so she was kind of kicking and screaming. Now, if you or I were to see what we thought was
00:56:51.740a kidnapping in progress wouldn't we at least confront the guy try to get some details like
00:56:56.520try to break it up you know even if you're not physically capable of interjecting at least you
00:57:02.540can confront that situation and you know watch you know and follow or something like that but no one
00:57:08.660did that they just saw what they thought was a kidnapping and said oh i'll just call 9-1-1 and
00:57:12.040they'll take care of it and so this failure of of us to take personal responsibility um has and
00:57:19.820outsource that personal responsibility to the state so that we can feel good you know we we
00:57:26.720supported minimum wage so we didn't have to go out and start a business and pay people what we
00:57:31.640thought was a living wage and take that responsibility on yourself we can feel good
00:57:35.020about the fact that the government is doing it for us um well that's that's i think the real
00:57:40.440problem here um you know people aren't willing to take personal responsibility and they they get
00:57:45.820the payoff of feeling good that they promoted some kind of policy by making some facebook posts
00:57:51.280and voting the right way or something like that that that is um yeah i mean i think that that is
00:57:57.380the real tragedy here is that you know and so i think part of me thinks that the revolution just
00:58:02.720needs to be we need to start doing things we need to be start taking personal responsibility and
00:58:07.560finding solutions in our own community and building infrastructure there uh that is built on
00:58:12.480these voluntary arrangements of people not being coerced but uh doing it out of out of the love
00:58:19.160and goodness of their heart and out of their sense of of duty to their their neighbors and
00:58:24.160their communities just because eventually this this state is you know this uh apparatus is
00:58:30.400going to collapse under its own weight and um you know we we need something in place when that
00:58:35.080happens so i you know more and more i'm kind of being pulled towards this idea of of uh building
00:58:39.960solutions locally and wherever I can to allow people to take more responsibility in their own
00:58:46.620lives despite all the things that the government is doing and you know there's a friend of mine
00:58:51.160Gabriel Shear is just back from Chile and he's looking at building a community in Saskatchewan
00:58:57.000that is libertarian and you know that that is going to be an incorporated municipality
00:59:03.160and is going to be, you know, built along these guidelines of not using coercion and violence to
00:59:12.800get things done, but rather voluntary means and relationships where it's like society as Edmund
00:59:20.100Burke describes it, you know, built on the little platoons of family, of charity, of church, of
00:59:27.260business building up. So that's maybe, you know, where I think I'm going to be focused a little
00:59:33.860bit more on is trying to build it, build up solutions rather than just sit here and attack
00:59:40.700government and, you know, talk about all the ways it's bullshit. I think that's still important,
00:59:45.820but more and more I'm thinking of actually building something, you know, where we are
00:59:52.980taking personal responsibility rather than relying government on it.
00:59:56.520Yeah. Well, I like how you brought up, you know, community and some of that and knowing your
01:00:00.440neighbors, the rural urban divide. I mean, that's a whole thing for another show almost, but I live
01:00:05.620in Prittis. And just an example that came to mind was when I ran the pub, I had a group of four
01:00:10.340jokers come in very, well, I think they were wired and they were being a real pain. They brought in
01:00:15.480outside liquor. I had to eject them. They said, well, no, we're going to stay and we'll beat the
01:00:21.220hell out of you if you get in our face but then the bar rose up and the locals all ejected them
01:00:25.580on my behalf so it wasn't a matter of calling the police because police have 40 minute response times
01:00:29.800there anyways but it worked out fantastically it was uh you know tense but peaceful and you know
01:00:34.820what those guys live in the area but they never showed up at the bar ever again it was effective
01:00:38.600and preventative uh it's that sense of community in a city bar everybody would have stayed seated
01:00:43.220and waited for the police to arrive uh right you know and it's the same with fires in our area if
01:00:49.360somebody sees smoke coming up, the neighbors get up. I mean, they'll call 911, but then they drive
01:00:52.700over. They'll say, you know, what can I do? And I got a bucket and a broom full of water or
01:00:55.880whatever. And in the city, same sort of thing. You know, somebody will call 911 and carry on
01:01:00.700with their day. If we could transfer that attitude to urban communities, I think we'd all be better
01:01:04.660for it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And you're right. There is a rural urban divide. And I think it is
01:01:10.660because, you know, folks that live in rural areas don't rely a lot on the government. They are
01:01:16.840taking personal responsibility and I mean it's probably a large part of it is a choice as well
01:01:22.700that's the lifestyle that attracted them the the lifestyle where you are being you know your your
01:01:29.400survival is dependent on your ability to competently manage uh responsibility to take it on
01:01:36.460and and deal with it and do so in collaboration with those in around you your neighbors your
01:01:42.600your community and that sort of thing um it really um builds up social bonds and and you know i once
01:01:50.580had this uh very progressive guy who was very just fascinated with with my politics ask me
01:01:57.160i hear what you're saying about the individual tim but what about community where does community
01:02:01.920come into this libertarian philosophy because i'm really you know community is important to me i
01:02:08.040said well ken i mean the first thing you have to do if you want to build up a community with all
01:02:12.140these social bonds is put the gun down you can't have a government continually coercively pointing
01:02:17.020guns at people and imposing all these arbitrary rules on people and expect to have a bonded
01:02:24.420community and culture you have to respect individuals you know good fences make good
01:02:29.360neighbors um and you know i think that's that's true uh but uh you know the left doesn't see that
01:02:36.060and and they don't because quite often they live in these big cities where government looks after
01:02:41.460everything you know they they don't have to figure out how to dispose of the garbage they
01:02:45.420don't have to figure out how to repair the the potholes on their their you know half a mile0.98
01:02:50.580long driveway they don't have to um you know figure out how how they're how to get their
01:02:56.700grow their food or harvest it or anything they just as soon as they're hungry they they can skip
01:03:01.740skip the dishes it you know everything is provided for them to the point where they don't have to
01:03:07.340So, you know, I don't know how you solve that, how you get people that live in urban areas who are completely dependent on government to have the same attitude of those in rural areas that really have no use for it.
01:03:22.880But, you know, that is a challenge we face.
01:03:26.980Well, it's a, you know, a big picture discussion.
01:03:30.400I appreciate, you know, hearing your optimism, though, when you're looking, you're not just, you know, stepping away from the Libertarian Party and giving up on the pursuit.
01:03:37.340of spreading the message of liberty, I guess you could say.
01:03:40.200I mean, you're going to stay active and you, you know, you feel that there's been inroads
01:03:57.940Well, and, you know, yeah, the essay I read, you know, because it gets discouraging at
01:04:05.580times, uh, uh, you know, trying to spread this message. Um, but there's, there's an essay by
01:04:11.920Albert J. Knock that I go back to. I think he wrote it in the thirties and it's called
01:04:15.560Isaiah's job. Now I'm not, uh, not a religious person, but, uh, this essay spoke to me and it's
01:04:21.780a story about Isaiah, God's prophet who said, you know, God, you sent me out here to, to, um,
01:04:28.600warn people about the coming apocalypse or catastrophe, if they can carry on in their
01:04:33.520sinful ways. And, you know, I'm out here pounding the pavement and working hard to spread this
01:04:39.840message and no one is heeding it. No one's listening to me. People keep sinning. Things
01:04:44.880seem to be heading towards hell. Like, why did you order me to do this when it's not doing
01:04:51.020anything, when it's not going to avert catastrophe? And God told him, he said, look, your job was
01:04:56.980never to avert catastrophe. There is a group of people out there. There are individuals out there
01:05:02.660that are hearing your message that believe the same thing you believe that those are the people
01:05:08.320that after the cataclysm comes are going to band together and rebuild society and those are the
01:05:14.740people that you are ministering to that you are encouraging that you are giving hope to and those
01:05:20.960are the remnant and Ron Paul often talked about the remnant in his campaign that's where he got
01:05:24.900that message from and so even if we're not going to turn this ship around even if there's no hope
01:05:30.400left for canada or western civilization uh and things collapse under their own weight um there
01:05:36.480there will be something new afterwards and there there will be there are people out there right
01:05:41.500now and so one of the most gratifying things i've found over the past seven years has been
01:05:46.820just traveling canada and connecting with these people the remnant the people that thought that
01:05:53.620they were all alone out there in this world that there was no one that thought like them that
01:05:57.620there that everyone was that the whole world was against them and that they were their own little
01:06:02.340island there and everywhere i've gone and spoken and these people come out of the woodwork drawn
01:06:08.500to this message at a pub or a church or wherever the meeting is and what's left behind is a network
01:06:14.800of people who have each other's backs who you know when when shit goes south they're gonna be0.52
01:06:21.400each other's support. And so that is one of the positive unintended consequences of getting out
01:06:29.900there and being active and preaching this message and being called, you know, feeling like you're
01:06:34.000called to, but yet not seeing any tangible results that you expected to see. There's this positive
01:06:39.780unintended thing that happens where all these networks and communities kind of emerge everywhere
01:06:45.600I've gone. So that's been very gratifying for me. And I think, you know, that's kind of what
01:06:50.040that essay, I go back to it regularly when I feel kind of hopeless or a little bit depressed about
01:06:56.740how things are going. Well, I appreciate that. And like I said, I do appreciate that messaging.
01:07:02.660I'm looking forward to seeing what you get up to in coming years. As I said, you know, it's not
01:07:07.560like you're retiring from life. You're just stepping back from the leadership of the Libertarian
01:07:10.740Party. And I'm looking forward to see what the new leadership brings about with it and hopefully
01:07:15.040some great messaging in this coming election. So thanks for coming on with me. It's always great
01:07:19.460chatting with you i really enjoy it i see the commenters have as well so uh i'm certain we'll
01:07:24.580be talking again sometime soon you bet thanks corth appreciate you having me on all right
01:07:29.700tim no it was really great i will talk to you later yeah it is so easy to talk to tim and i
01:07:40.500can go on and on um okay carmen uh is asking where to sign up for the party i'm not sure i
01:07:46.100I know if you look Libertarian Party of Canada up, though, you can definitely find information for signing up and getting on board.
01:07:53.580And as Tim said, there are conventions in Edmonton this year.
01:07:56.840So, you know, Albertans can get in there.
01:07:58.900And I did really like his messaging, like I said, because that's the thing I said is somebody who's run for, you know, you don't want to call smaller French parties or things like that.
01:08:10.620It's not beating your head against the wall.
01:08:12.620It might not feel like it, but you are doing something good.
01:08:15.420you're you're helping things you're moving the needle even if you don't see it you're building
01:08:19.600that community and maybe that community won't be able to make much change right now a little later
01:08:24.780it might and and uh you've got to start somewhere you might as well start now rather than before
01:08:30.660that you know rather than after the crash comes or as d says you know and this is an interesting
01:08:34.680thing that came out in tim's conversation how's the left growing such proportions when you know
01:08:38.620it seems like they're becoming a majority and am i wrong no you're not wrong um and that was a lot
01:08:43.720kind of where tim was going with things we've gotten to the state of personal irresponsibility
01:08:48.760we really feel uh that the government is responsible for everything and we embrace it
01:08:56.280we want them to it's a form of laziness you know we we just don't want to have to take on these
01:09:01.640things for ourselves and we give it away to the government and it's grown and that attitude has
01:09:06.760grown and uh the left panders to that so they continue to grow support conservatives
01:09:13.080give the message out that you know well you got to take care of yourself well that unfortunately
01:09:17.940causes them a couple points in the polls and then they back off on it and as tim said
01:09:22.180they tend to be just two weeks behind the liberals or whatever not too not too far after
01:09:25.740they will follow suit so this is difficult how do we build those communities how do you get people
01:09:30.940to start thinking i should be taking care of my neighbors rather than and they take care of me
01:09:35.720you know a community rather than waiting for big government to do it it's a monumentalist
01:09:41.100a massive endeavor and uh he's been working out for some time he phrases it fantastically you
01:09:47.700know it's sad that he's leaving the leadership of the party because he's done a really good job
01:09:50.720as he said he's not done he's not going anywhere and uh hopefully he can uh keep going with things
01:09:57.860yeah patricia yeah the audio was breaking up it's bad internet and a few things this part
01:10:01.440this summer break um as i said earlier we're going to be moving away from this live model
01:10:07.540lives nice where we can get these interactions and questions and everything, but we just don't
01:10:10.940have that, that technical basis yet. You know, the standard is just a year and a half old and
01:10:15.160it's reincarnation. I guess you could say, uh, we're building our infrastructure. We're getting
01:10:19.160better. And, uh, the shows are going to be improving with some, yeah, better audio, better,
01:10:23.200uh, video and everything. I mean, we've got some great guests and some great discourse,
01:10:26.960but we've got to iron some of those things up. So summer's a good time to do that.
01:10:31.480And that's part of why we're still going to be putting out stuff, but it's going to be recorded
01:10:34.400rather than live uh from this show and from um uh gita pipeline will be live every wednesday
01:10:42.160still uh so i'll close out you know getting back to government and authority and frustration uh
01:10:48.720canada day was yesterday i i've talked to others about you know if you say oh you're a supporter
01:10:53.280of independence why do you even care about canada well you see again i'm not one of those who has
01:10:58.160this rage at history that canada day assuming the west becomes independent you know 10 years from
01:11:04.080now five years from now 30 years from now whatever it might be a portion of Alberta's history will
01:11:10.160have been as part of Canada and I don't mind and I won't mind recognizing that I mean I see Canada
01:11:18.320as a country that's under a broken system a system that's not serving us all correctly
01:11:23.200a system that needs that we can't repair that we have to tear down and rebuild
01:11:28.320but I'm not going to take my vitriol on the country itself just because the country made
01:11:31.760mistakes doesn't mean I scorn the entire nation. This Cancel Canada Day movement is a bunch of
01:11:39.000crap. I'll put it bluntly. It's a bunch of crap, okay? I mean, this country has done some horrific
01:11:44.380things wrong, but if you look at the world scale of it, and I know every country says that on their
01:11:49.680Independence Day, Canada Day, those sorts of things, but it's true. It's one of the best countries on
01:11:52.980earth. It's got some of the most freedoms on earth. I mean, they're under threat, and we've
01:11:56.140always got to stand up for them but to try and cancel the one day of the year
01:12:01.360that we just observe and celebrate what the nation has done right and listen to
01:12:06.140that as kissing virtue signaling pricks like they had Nancy say we should hang0.97
01:12:10.720our heads in shame during Canada put these orange things up because the
01:12:14.200residential school system no no I will still mourn the horrific things that
01:12:20.980were done by the government and the residential school system but I'm not
01:12:24.640going to be ashamed. I keep seeing that. I was fighting with people on Twitter saying you should be ashamed of yourself. Kiss my ass. No, I didn't put a single kid in a residential school. I am working now as with Tim to get to a place where the state never has such power where they can grab kids from a household and stuff them in a school like that. I can't fix what was done 100 years ago, 50 years ago, even 30 years ago. I can't fix what was done two days ago. But I can fix things in the future and try to make them better.
01:12:54.640better. And anyway, it's a shame that I'm supposed to be considered a bad person because I'm not
01:13:01.760descended from an Aboriginal person. That's the bottom line of it. No, that's ridiculous. It's1.00
01:13:05.400divisive. It's identity politics and it's ugliest. And again, as I said, the irony of people like
01:13:12.620Minchie, and Minchie's a statist, he's a guy who loves control. That's part of why he keeps that
01:13:16.000mask a lot. He's the kind of guy who likes the kind of big intrusive government that does things
01:13:21.260in the air quotes for our own good. No, he's not responsible for the residential school system
01:13:26.480either. Of course not. I won't lay that blame on him. His attitude is his attitude where I'm the
01:13:34.180smartest man in the room. That's a literal quote from that peckerhead. And I will tell you what's
01:13:40.160good for you. I will manage how you're going to live. That's that attitude. That's the attitude
01:13:46.680that the Laurentian elite had when they modeled and imposed to the residential school system.
01:13:53.520Now they're just expanding it in a more broad way.
01:13:57.060And no, they're not going to grab us and stick us in schools.
01:13:58.780They're infringing all different other freedoms, such as speech, such as property, movement, commerce.
01:14:05.920But no, I'm not going to look at the one day a year where we observe the history of Canada
01:14:10.700and celebrate what it's done right and say that I should be ashamed
01:14:14.500because they found a number of graves outside these residential schools and you know some of
01:14:18.740the coverage on that as well you know we've known about the residential school system but we've got
01:14:24.340to get a realistic lens we see i watched the video i was mentioning about them one thing that was
01:14:29.460interesting it was i believe the cranbrook one where they found a where they've been locating
01:14:35.140a bunch of bodies was one of the people there on the location was getting quite pissed off and she
01:14:39.860was a native lady she said look these were not bodies discovered we always knew they were there
01:14:45.460they used to be grave markers they were wooden they've deteriorated they've gone away over time
01:14:50.340we've been doing this so we can find and identify people and permanently martin and you know there's
01:14:54.100a lot of non-native cemeteries they've been doing the same thing because we're on the prairies
01:14:58.260yeah they you you know you get a death during the 20s and you're out on the the range you buried
01:15:04.500your loved one and you put a wooden cross and it's all you could do and 30 years later that
01:15:09.220things gone so they're relocating these things so you know let's get the perspective on here that's
01:15:15.860not a mass grave i mean that location it turns out as well had a hospital right next to it that
01:15:20.340operated for a number of years and they used that cemetery as well and again i don't want to
01:15:26.180understate the horrors of the residential city somebody was still 100 wrong these kids should
01:15:30.180not be snatched from their family this motivation to have churches teach and take the indianness0.99
01:15:36.580and that's some of the terms they used for it out of these kids in a forced institution is
01:15:40.340disgusting it's horrific and we can't forget it and we should talk about it but let's get
01:15:45.460realistic let's stop lighting our hair on fire now over all of these new and i'll call it quotes
01:15:51.620again discoveries they aren't we're treating every one of them as if this wasn't known and
01:15:57.380somebody else made a fantastic point about it you know because somebody was slicing dicing well the
01:16:01.940kids died of disease and it's not even that's true but where else does somebody have a cemetery at
01:16:07.060their school that's nuts and that shows the disrespect that the state had for the parents
01:16:13.860it shows that you know any other children back then the parents would have been let
01:16:19.700know that their child had passed on that the remains of the child would have been brought
01:16:23.700back to the community to be interred whatever way that community does in this case they just
01:16:27.300Just buried the children at the school site, moved along.