Western Standard - The Cory Morgan Show, July 2 2021

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00:02:00.000 morning welcome to the Cory Morgan show last live one we're going to be doing for a while

00:02:25.660 This is the day after Canada Day, day before weekend, weird sort of in-between sort of thing.

00:02:30.960 I think most people aren't working.

00:02:32.380 They're out camping or just taking the day off or doing what they can.

00:02:35.420 It's a little hot to be safely doing too many things out there.

00:02:39.060 The fires are looking pretty scary in BC.

00:02:42.160 We're into just another bizarre year.

00:02:44.460 That's all we need is a terrible forest fire year to add to everything else we've been suffering under this last 16 months.

00:02:51.200 but let's let's just hope for the best and and push on i hope everybody had a good time yesterday

00:02:57.220 i know there were a lot of people saying you should all hang your heads in shame and misery

00:03:00.460 and and you know express uh uh apologies and and then feeling bad about yourself for what people

00:03:07.520 did a hundred years ago because they feel you're responsible for today and of course they're they're 0.95

00:03:11.960 full of shit but uh most people ignored that went out had a good time yesterday uh unfortunately you 0.98

00:03:17.900 the hot weather brought out some of the extreme too and we saw that with uh people protesting 1.00

00:03:23.260 against chandra when we saw that with uh more church vandalism and and people talk about uh

00:03:28.620 how terrible canada is as a country yet they're enjoying all those freedoms that allowed them to

00:03:33.340 go out and march and talk about how terrible canada is as a country it's quite an irony with

00:03:37.180 that other way i've got tim mohan on as a guest today he's the uh leader of the canadian libertarian

00:03:43.260 party the federal one he's been in for seven years there he's decided to hang up his hat from that

00:03:47.420 role that's been a long stretch and that's a tough tough role to take on an important one you know

00:03:52.380 the that pushing for that liberty movement it's thankless it's certainly not a big money role

00:03:57.100 uh you're dealing with a lot of very difficult people to manage and he's his patience has been

00:04:01.180 outstanding and his messaging has always been consistent and good so i'm looking forward to

00:04:05.500 talk to him it's going to be uh hard for that party to find somebody who can uh reasonably

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00:06:48.140 You shouldn't have to explain yourself. Speaking of not having to explain yourself, you know I get

00:06:53.320 tired of people saying, why do you whine so much about the mask? So they aren't such a big deal.

00:06:56.940 You know what? I don't have to justify why I don't want to wear a mask. I don't. You liberty robbing

00:07:03.720 kooks who want to have laws force me to wear a mask have to justify it. You're the ones. The

00:07:09.540 burden of proof isn't on me. I get sick of that. People saying, you know, you've got to justify

00:07:13.380 why you don't want to wear a mask. No, I don't. I do not at all. And the medical evidence is not

00:07:19.180 there. It's questionable on how effective they've been anywhere in reducing spread of COVID.

00:07:27.540 There's a number of things that we seem to be finding that reduce spread of COVID. There's

00:07:31.200 seasonal trends. There's no doubt about that. And of course, people will already debate on

00:07:37.320 their vaccinations. But the bottom line is, Alberta's COVID cases are down to next to nothing.

00:07:43.100 People aren't dying. I mean, there's barely any. And again, there are people who are in their 80s.

00:07:47.280 there are people who are already sick. Your chances of dying of COVID now in Alberta on a

00:07:51.340 day-to-day basis are well under one in two million. That's where it's sitting at. So no,

00:07:55.940 I don't want to wear your frigging mask. Forget it. And almost all of Alberta 1.00

00:08:01.640 has gotten rid of their mask legislation. Almost all, except for Calgary. Yeah,

00:08:10.080 they had an inchie and uh you know six of his little uh buddies there on council had managed to

00:08:18.560 get the uh mass bylaw extended they're going to meet on monday to re-evaluate and see whether or

00:08:23.360 not they they want to keep it longer so while everybody else in alberta has uh already been

00:08:29.520 unmasked uh since canada day calgary is stuck in those laws and i don't know i've written on it

00:08:37.360 you can go to the westernstandardonline.com. I've written a couple of columns on that. I mean,

00:08:41.020 the bottom line is it's an NSHE trying to score political points. That's all it is.

00:08:44.920 There's no two ways about it. And it puts people in an awkward spot. You know, I know some people

00:08:52.960 are saying just ignore it. And I think for the most part, do it. But the problem is they put

00:08:57.340 the enforcement on the business owners, you know, and that puts them on the spot. And I went through

00:09:03.320 that when I'd fight with people when I used to own the pub, for example, in Prittis. You know,

00:09:07.300 you get somebody coming in and they're over-served and they're saying, I don't care. It's only me.

00:09:10.980 You serve me. Well, sorry, but unfortunately through the laws, I'm now your babysitter.

00:09:15.380 And if I over-serve you, you aren't responsible for what you do afterwards, but I'll be. And they

00:09:21.760 can pull my license. They can shut my pub down. They could sue me. There's a number of things

00:09:27.020 that could happen. And it's wrong, but it's the way it is right now. And so the business owner

00:09:30.800 gets punished for the irresponsibility of others and this mask bylaw unfortunately kind of does

00:09:35.840 the same thing so if you go into a store a small one and ahs comes in and they haven't tried to 0.96

00:09:42.800 make you mask up or haven't kicked you out you know for not wearing a mask it's the store owner

00:09:47.900 can end up getting fined and it's ridiculous and again it puts their staff on the spot

00:09:52.420 um so i say ignore some of the mask bylaws by all means go around but don't be like one of those 0.89

00:09:57.680 The lunatics, you know, like, again, Kevin Johnson and his buddies were going into stores and harassing innocent workers and business owners and being belligerent about it.

00:10:08.120 If they say, we need you to wear the mask or leave, just leave. 0.92

00:10:11.640 But put the pressure on the politicians reasonably, reasonably push back.

00:10:17.140 Again, not like the lunatics who were out there hounding and harassing Tyler Shandro's wife and children yesterday. 0.99

00:10:24.540 That was just pathetic. 0.99

00:10:26.080 It really was. 0.99

00:10:26.820 you guys, I understand why you're upset. I get upset every day. That's what I do on this show.

00:10:30.840 That's what I do when I read columns. But I don't go hounding and harassing the families

00:10:35.240 of politicians. I don't get on their case. They had nothing to do with it. I understand you're

00:10:41.840 mad. I understand you don't like what he did. That's just not the way we do things. And we

00:10:45.440 don't have to go down that road. Now, on with the I'm going to get some ranting about the

00:10:50.660 mainstream media, one of my favorite areas to go into anyway. So I was looking at the news,

00:10:54.860 I punish myself when I'm at home.

00:10:56.480 I like getting the weather report and some of the other stuff.

00:10:58.620 So I turn in to see CTV news.

00:11:01.020 And you want to know one of the best ways that D, no, Shandro doesn't deserve everything he gets.

00:11:06.380 You know, see, this is what I'm talking about.

00:11:08.100 Going after wives and kids of politicians is unreasonable.

00:11:11.580 That does not deserve everything he gets. 0.99

00:11:13.160 It's a fucking mask law. 0.99

00:11:14.940 You don't get on the case of somebody's family over that. 0.99

00:11:18.220 And I know they pressured businesses.

00:11:19.680 They've done a lot of things that are more serious than the mask law.

00:11:21.740 But no, hounding and harassing people's families is off limits. 0.85

00:11:25.620 And I'm going to call it out every freaking time.

00:11:27.900 We got bad enough people in political offices. 0.94

00:11:30.460 It is.

00:11:31.920 What do you expect to come in when they got to deal with that?

00:11:35.000 No, there's no justifying it.

00:11:36.660 And they don't deserve everything they got there.

00:11:38.040 Now I'm going to get back to where I was with CTV.

00:11:41.740 One of the things media loves doing when they want to push a messaging is called mainstreaming.

00:11:47.840 And, you know, you've seen it all the time.

00:11:49.200 they go out there and uh they they go out there they interview a number of people and then they'll

00:11:57.580 pick out the ones that they want uh you know to give the messaging that they did so they went out

00:12:01.860 with uh to a few people with the unmasking and asked you know do you support the uh alberta

00:12:09.200 dropping the the legislative the right dropping the regulation sorry i was these con so these

00:12:13.640 comments are getting me going. Do you support ending the restrictions in Alberta? And every

00:12:20.500 single person they somehow found said, no, I think he's moving too fast. I'm kind of scared.

00:12:25.200 I think we should stay locked down. They even found one bar owner said, yeah, we're going to

00:12:29.580 keep our mask bylaws even when we don't have to anymore. We're going to, well, not bylaws,

00:12:33.900 but regulations. People are still going to have to mask up in our business establishment.

00:12:37.560 That's the right as a business owner. But what a load of crap. I mean, come on. If you're going 1.00

00:12:42.000 to go around and talk to people on the street and such. Don't try to tell me that every business

00:12:48.960 owner really actually wants to keep those mask laws, that they want to gag up their customers

00:12:54.180 going inside when there's no reason for it. It's uncomfortable. You can't smile at each other. You

00:12:59.460 can't express at each other. It's just not a pleasant experience. People literally do and

00:13:05.360 are leaving the city to get services and enjoy themselves without masks, without regulations,

00:13:10.020 things such as that but ctv put on their little dog and pony show there they managed to go out

00:13:16.680 and find and that was something that was funny with some of their main streeting because the

00:13:19.640 people they were talking to who they'd found who were saying they were pretty scared and

00:13:23.960 uncomfortable with the getting rid of these these mask laws and getting rid of the restrictions on

00:13:29.400 people were all sitting on patios unmasked so okay um you know where are you coming from but

00:13:37.740 I mean, I wonder how many people they had to go through before they found a solid slate with not

00:13:41.880 a single person who could just sit there and say, you know what? I'm kind of thrilled. I'm looking

00:13:45.600 forward to having some personal liberties going into this summer. I'm looking forward to going

00:13:50.100 into a business and being able to smile at somebody and see them smile back. Somehow CTV

00:13:54.080 could not find a single person who was happy to see the restrictions going away. That's astounding.

00:14:00.380 Wow. Good work, guys. And to actually find a business to say they like keeping people masked

00:14:06.560 up within their establishment and that they're going to do it even after the law says they don't

00:14:10.980 have to anymore that was good work that's that's solid journalism guys amazing uh you know again

00:14:17.760 if you're gonna do some mainstreaming try and get a little balance show a little of both i mean it

00:14:21.820 was just so blatant and nauseating you know i i had to change the channel but uh well we're into

00:14:30.160 interesting times hopefully uh we do see more broadening of uh media platforms more discourse

00:14:35.500 things out there, more competition, and we'll get some better points of view. So I'm going to bring

00:14:41.600 somebody in with a better point of view. Tim Mowen, I see, is waiting in the lobby there.

00:14:45.620 I've ranted at you guys enough to start the morning off. Let's see how this goes. Hey, Tim,

00:14:50.240 how are you doing? Hey, fantastic. I was enjoying the rant. I didn't want it to stop.

00:14:54.420 Oh, you know, I'll be ranting a lot for a long time yet.

00:15:00.100 Lots to rant about.

00:15:01.120 there certainly is and this uh of all years has been i guess i i would say one of the most

00:15:06.720 challenging and dejecting uh as far as liberty lovers go uh that we've seen in living memory i

00:15:13.200 i mean not just the the eagerness with the state to crack down on our liberties we weren't really

00:15:17.920 surprised by that but the willingness of the populace to just go along with it uh so i mean

00:15:24.420 your role has been more as important as ever and difficult as ever uh i appreciate what you've done

00:15:29.820 but we've heard word you've, after what, seven years, you're going to be stepping aside as the

00:15:34.000 leader of the Libertarian Party at Canada. Yeah, yeah. It's time to hand the torch off to someone

00:15:39.560 with a bit more energy and maybe a little bit more optimism and less cynicism. You know, being in this

00:15:44.640 role for seven years kind of beats a guy down over time and the party deserves someone who has

00:15:50.300 some fresh energy. So, you know, it's time for me to take a break and, you know, I'll still be

00:15:55.500 involved with the party and supporting it. And, you know, maybe I'll take on a board role or

00:15:59.500 something that that's a little less that requires a little less commitment and and energy let's say

00:16:06.520 so yeah it's it has been a challenging year you're right and and you know a lot of us

00:16:12.800 liberty activists let's say waver between optimism and pessimism over the over the years as we fight

00:16:22.500 this battle and you know this last year it's been really hard to maintain optimism and you know you

00:16:27.400 rightly point out that it's not just the predictable government imposition in positions,

00:16:33.540 but it's now kind of like slave on slave control. Right. And, you know, I'm already hearing from

00:16:40.340 people that all these restrictions that remain are the fault of people that aren't vaccinated

00:16:47.620 because they're the ones that are causing this. Right. And, you know, the example I used on another

00:16:53.480 interview i had was you know imagine you're on a slave plantation and a couple of the slaves aren't

00:16:58.720 following the master's rules to a t and maybe you know they're staying up later than they should and

00:17:03.600 not uh putting out enough work or something like that and so the master punishes all the slaves

00:17:09.120 because these two yahoos aren't being good slaves and uh you know what we're seeing is equivalent to 0.96

00:17:15.800 the slaves turning on each other rather than the master who's literally owning them and forcing

00:17:22.840 them to work. So this is, you know, the blame is ought to be directed at government and officials

00:17:29.000 and not at our fellows. But here we are. And, you know, it's hard to maintain any optimism

00:17:34.140 in this state. So, you know, part of me thinks, well, batten down the hatches. It's, you know,

00:17:40.100 just survive the coming, you know, statism on steroids, a great reset, whatever you want to

00:17:48.200 call it i mean this this is not over right the government has learned from us that um we are

00:17:54.800 compliant and we will obey each other and turn on each other and you know they've softened us up

00:18:00.000 uh considerably over the past year and uh now here we are and and you know this is just this is just

00:18:06.300 the start you know we're gonna get some of our liberties back i you know i'm raw dog in the air

00:18:11.840 with my face right now um you know and and in my community that you know masks are off now

00:18:18.320 that's great uh but let's not fool ourselves the next thing on the agenda is going to be climate

00:18:23.920 uh if you don't have correct uh a correct narrative when it comes to the climate you're

00:18:29.420 going to be ostracized from society in the same way people that refuse to mask and aren't getting

00:18:33.900 vaccinated are going to be you know they're the untouchable class right we we have kind of this 1.00

00:18:39.560 apartheid of people who are compliant and will believe and parrot everything the government 0.78

00:18:46.920 and the establishment media uh tells them to parrot and then there's those who are not compliant

00:18:53.720 and not parroting everything and the people that aren't compliant we're seeing exactly what is going

00:18:59.240 to happen to them they are not going to be allowed to participate in society uh like the rest of us

00:19:04.200 so that so um you know i suspect that trend will continue it'll just be under a different guise

00:19:09.240 maybe not a pandemic maybe it'll be uh you know the untouchables are those who put our the fate 0.93

00:19:15.280 of planet earth in danger by denying climate catastrophe narrative uh or you know who knows

00:19:21.480 what it'll be but uh yeah it's i won't lie to you i i think some of the what i've seen over the past

00:19:28.020 year from my fellow canadians has uh has kind of just drained drained the energy from me and

00:19:34.280 made me realize, you know, maybe I'm fighting for the wrong people here. Maybe I should just

00:19:39.580 focus on my family and, or something for a while. Yeah. It just gets exhausting. But I mean,

00:19:48.000 as you've stated, I expect it's any, you'll take a breather, but you're not going anywhere in the

00:19:52.360 long run. No, I got a lot of opinions in me, Corey, and they got to come out and, you know,

00:19:57.340 so yeah, I'm not going anywhere, but yeah, I got to take, I got to take a bit of a breather.

00:20:03.460 Well, and that precedent, as you said, like, one of the things I found really chilling a little while back is it came out of, I believe, Joe Biden, and he was talking, you know, of course, we see these sporadic issues concerning racism and things like that.

00:20:16.720 But he called racism a public health emergency and that that terminology right off the bat.

00:20:22.820 Whoa. Now, here you have taken directly from this recent excuse to crack down on every civil liberty known and you're applying it to something completely unrelated.

00:20:33.540 And I just see that as you're using it as justification.

00:20:35.660 Of course, we're going to see that, as you said, with with climate change and pretty much anywhere else where the government wants to bypass the constitutional or charter checks and balances we have in our individual rights. 0.87

00:20:45.040 As long as they can somehow call it a public health emergency, we're all up shit creek. 0.73

00:20:50.040 Well, yeah. 0.93

00:20:50.840 And look, I don't know if you got this message.

00:20:53.600 I suspect you did as well as I did.

00:20:55.280 When I opened up Facebook yesterday, I got this message saying that you people, you know, may have been exposed to extremist views and you can get support for that.

00:21:03.860 Some people are getting messages saying that they themselves were exposed to extremist views and they can get support for that.

00:21:09.840 What are the extremist views?

00:21:10.940 Well, of course, they are views that are pro-freedom, pro-liberty, you know, just that our society

00:21:19.020 ought not revolve around imposition of violence from the state, and that's considered extremism

00:21:25.860 now.

00:21:26.360 And so it seems just a little suspicious, let's say, that at the same time, they're using

00:21:33.820 all this language about how racism, okay, having particular thoughts in your head creates

00:21:40.540 a public health emergency well it's not hard to connect the dots here and say well if you don't

00:21:44.780 have correct think on climate that's a public health emergency that's you're you're in danger

00:21:49.340 you're like a virus in the population spreading these dangerous ideas that can lead to dangerous

00:21:54.940 outcomes and catastrophe so and facebook is right in there with these warnings that we've been

00:22:01.340 exposed to these uh toxins or viruses or you know extremist ideas um it's uh yeah it's really

00:22:11.660 troubling well yeah and i mean extremism that that's a pretty uh subjective sort of point of

00:22:17.420 uh view on what may or may not be extreme i mean southern supporters of emancipation in the 1850s

00:22:23.100 would have been considered extremists by their contemporaries at that time uh thankfully well

00:22:27.900 Well, yeah. A lot of them didn't back down.

00:22:31.320 Well, yeah. And look, you know, here we have essentially that they're they're only distinguishing factor between a government and a criminal cartel is that most people believe what the government's doing is moral.

00:22:42.580 Right. But by by any objective measure, you know, the institution, the cartel has done, you know, industrial scale kidnapping, forcible confinement, theft through taxation.

00:22:57.400 They call it taxation, but it's theft, you know, murder.

00:23:02.380 All these things are done by this organization.

00:23:06.000 and yet most of the people i see want this same organization that that commits murder

00:23:10.820 rape uh assault fraud uh theft you know kidnapping they want that organization to be in charge of

00:23:19.280 health care and education and thought control really now um by by the looks of things so you

00:23:25.800 tell me what is that not extremism is that not an extremist view maybe it's the popular opinion

00:23:32.300 and then the zeitgeist now that everyone believes and you know but i think that's extremism and i'm

00:23:39.340 simply challenging that narrative and saying hey look uh you know you don't have the right to do

00:23:43.640 these things to me even if you win a popularity contest and call yourself the government and call

00:23:49.380 your theft taxation you still don't have the right to do all these things to me i don't think that's

00:23:53.120 extremist i think that's just common sense and that's that's uh you know uh normal that ought

00:23:58.320 ought to be the norm but I'm the one considered extreme here I I don't think so yeah well and as

00:24:04.800 you said you kind of touched a little on the irony of some of the people that are I mean it it should

00:24:09.500 have been a moment of revelation now that everybody's kind of realizing the horrors of

00:24:12.800 the residential school system and they've seen it's in their face it was always there we just 0.64

00:24:17.120 haven't talked about it it was that that the little thing you know that we didn't want to

00:24:20.980 face I mean the bottom line was the government took people forcibly from their families and

00:24:26.720 put them into schools to reprogram them. Now, people are rightly horrified in, in facing this,

00:24:32.640 but a lot of the same people, as you said, who were really losing it over this are the same

00:24:36.480 people who want more government, more intrusion on our lives. When you should be coming to the

00:24:40.880 conclusion, this is why we have to deep, you know, take the power away from the government,

00:24:45.200 empower the individual so that this sort of thing can never happen again. They're taking

00:24:48.960 away the wrong lesson from this, this horror. Right, right. Yeah. So here, here were, uh,

00:24:54.320 people who had an extremist views, right? What I would call statism, which they acted on in

00:25:00.800 earnest belief. They believe that for the greater good, they can kidnap these kids, rip them away

00:25:06.440 from their families, tear families apart, put them in these abusive institutions where they

00:25:12.840 suffered horrible abuse and death quite often. But the same institution ought to be in charge

00:25:21.880 of our education today and and look we still have some remnants of this right I mean look if you

00:25:27.660 take your kid out of school and don't report to the government what curriculum your kid is learning

00:25:33.140 if you refuse to pay the taxes that support government schools the guns will come out right

00:25:38.660 I had someone on on Twitter say well no one ever forced me to school at gunpoint okay here's an

00:25:43.480 experiment for you if you want to see the guns here's what you do stop paying the taxes that

00:25:48.300 that uh support public schools okay stop uh sending your kids to school and refuse to report

00:25:55.360 to the government what kind of learning activities your kids are doing and then when the enforcers

00:25:59.840 come and and uh demand to see proof refuse and when they escalate force just respond in kind

00:26:07.900 the guns will come out believe me yeah i don't recommend this experiment by the way but everything

00:26:12.660 the government does is backed up by violence and guns and um you know that's why it ought to be

00:26:17.480 limited because uh we don't want a society that's organized around uh violence and coercion um and

00:26:24.960 but but these people without any hint of irony they will gladly support public schools and by

00:26:30.160 the way public schools outstrip even the catholic church in terms of sexual abuse physical abuse of

00:26:35.840 children i mean most children will never the first time they ever experience violence is at a public

00:26:42.620 school uh you know from kids who are all trapped there and and torn away from their homes different

00:26:48.460 things like that so it's just uh a little bit rich for for the same people that support these

00:26:54.140 violent institutions to be crying uh about residential schools they they're the ones that 1.00

00:27:00.380 would have wholeheartedly supported residential schools back in the day and and they're supporting

00:27:05.740 the equivalent uh you know maybe not as bad but uh in this you know on the spectrum let's say

00:27:11.340 of evil today so well that's it because of those that patronizing top-down government statement of

00:27:17.660 for your own good i mean that's what the whole residential school system was i'm sure some

00:27:21.820 people were protesting it at the time but we're saying it's for their own good yes how dehumanizing

00:27:27.740 that's to say they don't know what's good for them we've got to do that but that's what we're

00:27:31.020 seeing with these health restrictions now and we're going to see with climate restrictions

00:27:34.940 we're going to see uh you know potentially with any number of things now you've again you've

00:27:40.620 tried and you've done a very good job like the libertarian party's kind of unique i mean it's

00:27:43.900 never it's been around since 72 it's well established it's never really i i guess tried

00:27:50.060 to be a contender for the mainstream in politics it's represented a distinctive point of view just

00:27:55.340 so that voice can get out there uh and that role remains important but i mean how can we get more

00:28:02.060 liberty-minded policy more liberty-minded people on on any level of government i mean that's the

00:28:06.780 the thing is campaigning on pure liberty i i know from the last federal election though my campaign

00:28:11.100 was very limited you know it's difficult i mean you've got to spend a lot of time at every doorstep

00:28:14.460 to try and explain what's going on uh well look it it it absolutely is a grind and you know and

00:28:23.080 unfortunately it's the only thing i believe that will get us freedom you know um you you can take

00:28:29.240 two tacks with politics there are two strategies one is you uh try to collect votes and get elected

00:28:35.720 and try to pull some legislative levers and make change and give people freedom.

00:28:42.280 I think that's a naive tactic.

00:28:44.040 I think that's never worked.

00:28:45.160 I think this explains why conservatives have essentially become progressives driving the

00:28:50.140 speed limit.

00:28:50.840 You know, if you want to know what conservative policy is, just look at what liberal policy

00:28:54.120 was five or 10 years ago.

00:28:55.460 And that's what conservative policy is today.

00:28:58.320 You know, and look, if you are chasing votes, that's exactly what you have to do.

00:29:02.100 You have to do what Aaron O'Toole is doing, which is fit right neatly in the middle or as close to the middle as you can of the Overton window.

00:29:11.660 Right. And and as over time, the Overton window is shifting further left and further left.

00:29:17.420 And and so if you want to win votes, you have to you have to, you know, fit directly in that middle of that Overton window.

00:29:24.920 Now, and so therein lies the problem is who's controlling the Overton window?

00:29:30.220 What narrative is shifting it towards the left?

00:29:33.720 Well, it's all the radicals on the left.

00:29:35.380 It is your academic institutions.

00:29:38.200 It's the SJWs and even the socialists in the NDP and the Green Party.

00:29:49.000 And these are unapologetically people that are just standing for what they believe in,

00:29:54.980 even though I think it's an evil belief system.

00:29:57.440 uh but they are they are they're not interested in getting votes they're interested in shifting

00:30:02.020 culture and so i see that role as being left unattended uh on in the liberty forum right i

00:30:08.860 mean conservatives are are mostly focused on getting votes i mean even the ppc there's a lot

00:30:13.620 of overlapping uh policies between us the libertarian party and the ppc but the big difference

00:30:18.680 is they're focused on getting votes right and and we see this over and over again with these

00:30:23.080 conservative parties that pop up because because of course the conservative base who generally like

00:30:28.700 freedom who are generally kind of rural and don't see much need for government and are common sense

00:30:33.300 folk um they you know they they don't like the left and so they line up with conservatives but

00:30:40.040 the problem is over time the conservative parties that are trying to win elections they leave their

00:30:45.520 base behind because they have to they have to um kind of pander to the leftist narrative and this

00:30:51.660 is why you know aaron o'toole has a climate policy and you know they have various social

00:30:57.260 activist policies in in their thing and you know they won't get too extreme in terms of giving us

00:31:02.780 freedom they're not really pushing for less gun control they're just maybe marginally just a tiny

00:31:09.280 bit um and and so you know people get disenfranchised with them and then you have these splinter

00:31:15.580 conservative parties pop up like you know in the 90s it was the reform party and and what we see

00:31:20.620 happen you know in alberta it was the wild rose party we love those parties and just like we

00:31:25.660 love the ppc but you know the problem is that that as long as you're focused on winning elections

00:31:31.580 and getting votes these conservative splinter conservative parties that are a little bit more

00:31:36.400 principled are bound to become slide right back into the middle of the overton window as they

00:31:41.720 gain popularity they merge with the the progressive conservatives or whatever they form a new party

00:31:46.860 that party eventually slides right down back into the center of the overton window because that's

00:31:51.300 where you have to be if you want to win votes and so what i suspect will happen with a lot of these

00:31:56.500 parties like the ppc is as they gain popularity if they gain popularity um they're gonna be faced

00:32:02.760 with a decision okay we're now in a position where we've got a number of seats in parliament

00:32:07.480 do we um want to actually form government do we actually want to form a majority government how

00:32:13.020 are we going to do that? We're going to have to soften our policies and our platforms. We're

00:32:18.100 going to have to maybe consider merging with what's left of the CCP. And, you know, the history

00:32:23.280 continues repeating itself. And eventually we end up with the Overton window continuing to slide to

00:32:28.300 the left. Now, what I think is the answer to that and what I have a hard time convincing people is,

00:32:34.460 but what this is what the Libertarian Party to me is all about, is we've had the same policies

00:32:39.100 and platforms since 1972 we've been against uh lockdowns and restrictions in a public health

00:32:44.600 crisis since 1972 our policies don't change we we are focused on shifting people on shifting

00:32:51.660 culture on being the radicals uh for liberty that is missing in the in the cultural milieu or

00:32:57.520 narrative and you know our success to us is when the other parties are eventually forced to adopt

00:33:03.880 uh our our policy ideas our platform ideas because culture just demands it so so that's a win for me

00:33:11.540 it's not you know and so with that strategy no we will never form government we may never even get

00:33:17.200 a seat in parliament uh but that's not the win for us a win for us as a free society and shifting

00:33:22.900 culture uh is what's required and saying unpopular things and challenging culture it doesn't get you

00:33:29.140 lot of votes and that that is you know it's frustrating for people who's who hear these

00:33:33.940 ideas of liberty and individual uh responsibility and they're attracted to it and they're like man

00:33:40.100 i've never heard this philosophy before this is makes so much sense and i'm just gonna have to

00:33:45.780 as soon as i get out there and campaign and people will recognize the truth of it and they'll vote

00:33:49.520 for me and of course they are deathly dejected when that doesn't happen they're like i put in

00:33:54.580 all this work and I got one per one or two percent of the vote well no you know so so to me the metric

00:33:59.960 of success and the only game that matters is are we making more libertarians are you know because

00:34:04.800 that's the political spectrum it's authoritarian versus libertarian you know you can have left

00:34:09.520 leftist authoritarianism or leftist flavored authoritarianism or right-wing flavored

00:34:14.580 authoritarianism but it's all authoritarianism so the real test is are you libertarian or

00:34:20.140 authoritarian where are you at on that spectrum and unless we make more libertarians we're never

00:34:25.020 going to see the kind of government you and i or probably the listeners to the show want to see

00:34:29.460 it's the culture you know government is downstream from culture and so until culture shifts we're not

00:34:35.300 going to see that and so i think um you know the work that the libertarian party does is and

00:34:39.620 continues to be the most important we're literally the only ones playing the real game against a huge

00:34:46.220 horde of leftists who are also playing the real game um you know and and no one on the right or

00:34:52.060 in liberty circles uh seems to understand that they're we're too focused on getting votes and

00:34:57.340 informing government and getting seats so um you know i think i think that is uh the importance

00:35:03.020 of the libertarian party and why i'll continue to support it yeah no i'm glad we mentioned a bit of

00:35:09.740 that like some people have talked to me i've run for a number of alternative parties over the years

00:35:14.220 um and uh it's it's empowering in some senses when you run and you know uh barring some bizarre

00:35:21.180 scandal or miracle you're not going to win the seat so your point then is to stay on messaging

00:35:25.740 and hopefully get that word out there that wouldn't have gotten out there otherwise like

00:35:29.100 when i ran for the libertarian party in 2015 i think it was i knew i wasn't going to unseat

00:35:33.900 john barlow in southern alberta it just wasn't going to happen but what i did do was i was the

00:35:38.860 only candidate at the forums to put his feet to the fire on supply management and if i hadn't

00:35:43.660 have been there nobody would have spoken to that policy nobody would have been able to have that 1.00

00:35:48.140 crowd say holy crap i never realized just how stupid the damn policy is and in a small way 0.99

00:35:53.260 hopefully i had a little bit of influence there and chipping away at that and with a number of 1.00

00:35:57.420 candidates across the country doing the same thing you can bring things to the fore and and

00:36:02.540 the party is a mechanism in order to do it and it does influence the decision makers even if it

00:36:07.180 doesn't feel like a in a large way i mean you'll have zero influence if you don't get out there

00:36:11.820 Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, look, the metric of success is, are there more libertarians in Canada today than there were when we started our activism in the party? And I think the resounding answer is yes. And even the PPC and a lot of the success they're having, I think, is a result of us clearing the way and making more libertarians.

00:36:32.520 You know, a lot of their policies are essentially lifted directly from us and had our people in there helping them. So that is a win for us. That's moving things in the right direction. And, you know, I had the same experience. I ran in 2015 in Calgary, Signal Hill. And I went there because Ron Leipert was the incumbent conservative and he's a red Tory.

00:36:56.680 And he was in charge of the health. He was a health minister when Alberta provincialized emergency medical services. Now, I'm a paramedic firefighter, paramedic by trade. And this was deeply hurt my profession that this conservative socialized ambulance services and it had the expected effects.

00:37:19.240 I mean, you know, we're in a code red all the time, which means no ambulance is available to respond all the time because it's a provincially run bureaucratic resource.

00:37:29.960 And this is what happens in socialism.

00:37:31.240 You have, you know, limited resources and no mechanism to expand the resources.

00:37:37.980 And so I ran against Leipzig because I wanted to hold his feet to the fire.

00:37:41.580 And I got to do that.

00:37:42.500 And I had a horde, like an army of conservatives in that riding who loved my message.

00:37:48.200 These were social conservatives who I just had to have a five minute talk with them because,

00:37:52.840 you know, when you Google my name, the first thing that comes up is that famous meme. 0.57

00:37:56.420 I want gay married couples to protect their marijuana plants with guns. 1.00

00:37:59.660 Now, that's a little bit off putting to a social conservative when they first see it.

00:38:03.060 But once they have a five minute conversation with me, they agree with me that, look, morality

00:38:07.240 ought to emerge from what Edmund Burke called the little platoons in society, right?

00:38:11.840 The church, the family, small business, charity.

00:38:14.640 that's where those are the people those are the units of society that morality ought to emerge

00:38:21.160 from and when you hand over the keys of morality to the state and you you say you know you you get

00:38:27.080 them trying to control speech and tell sit and be in charge of the institution of marriage and you 0.66

00:38:34.000 know things like that while you end up getting you know handing the the weapons uh those weapons to

00:38:41.320 your ideological enemy. And so now when the left gets in there, they say, okay, you want your

00:38:46.500 church to have a tax-free status. You are now going to have to marry the people we tell you

00:38:50.900 you have to marry. And so how's that worked out for you? And social conservatives get that after

00:38:55.480 five minutes. These people went door to door for me. They raised funds for me. They put up signs

00:39:01.340 for me. They loved me and hated Ron Lightbert. And every one of them, very honest people with

00:39:10.640 integrity and as such they called me at the last minute on the eve of the election said tim we're

00:39:15.820 really sorry to do this but we're worried trudeau is going to get in and so we have to hold our

00:39:20.760 nose and vote for leubert sorry i know we supported you and all that you know and you know i have to

00:39:25.520 admire them for their honesty but that is that is the reality we face right people are always going

00:39:32.000 to vote against their worst fear rather in favor of their highest value and and this is why you

00:39:39.120 know, focusing on getting votes isn't isn't going to help because, you know, we have to support

00:39:46.020 statism to get get these votes. And so, you know, you know, it can be discouraging at times, but

00:39:53.120 but that is the reality. And so is the metric of success is here's a bunch of people that heard a

00:39:58.420 message or heard a libertarian message. They might not have been converted to libertarianism, but

00:40:02.640 they certainly softened their their thinking towards it and realize that, OK, there's a lot

00:40:08.020 to this philosophy that even a me a social conservative can get behind because yeah people

00:40:13.660 ought to be free to choose their path in life and as long as they own the consequences that you can

00:40:18.640 choose heaven or hell you know in your own life and and that's essentially what you know most

00:40:24.780 social conservatives believe and most christians believe that look god gives us free will and we

00:40:29.600 can choose the good path or the bad path but what we can't have is government deciding for us what

00:40:34.640 the good path is and imposing that on us because that takes away our free will that takes away

00:40:38.360 our ability and our moral moral responsibility to choose right from wrong yeah well and the

00:40:45.600 social conservatives i mean they can embrace it when it's modeled right i one of the best

00:40:50.100 libertarians i know still is paul hinman who i speak to and personally he's very socially

00:40:55.200 conservative he's a devout mormon but he's a strong follower he's based his philosophy on

00:41:00.140 bastion yet and as long as you leave me alone i can leave you alone we can get along here

00:41:04.340 but yeah so many people it takes us a lot of work to get there i'm kind of coming all the way back

00:41:11.380 to where we started though and surely put it out too with the the mainstream media which is you

00:41:16.020 know she's quotes as a propaganda arm of the left um communication though i mean that's for any

00:41:20.620 authoritarian one of your things you have to do you want to do is control communication and it's

00:41:24.960 getting increasingly difficult for them i mean with these modern mechanisms with social media

00:41:29.060 platforms things like that now we're seeing pressure on the social media heavyweights like

00:41:32.760 facebook and yes i got the messages too apparently i've been exposed to extremists right uh this

00:41:38.840 battle is big though i mean i look at the uh last things coming out of the liberal government were

00:41:43.000 two bills they're looking to control communication and speech c10 and c36

00:41:47.800 um you know i we've got to push back but how do we do so with that i mean how do we keep these

00:41:52.120 communication lines open because the liberty message can be embraced by people we got to be

00:41:55.640 able to get it to them yeah well and you know i think the reality is we're going to see more and

00:42:00.920 and more government intermingling you know an unholy alliance let's say of government and big

00:42:06.160 tech you know big tech benefits from the alliance because government essentially creates a moat

00:42:11.000 around it from competition through you know really crazy intellectual property regimes that

00:42:19.320 basically prohibit people from competing with them to regulating you to owning the the broadband

00:42:25.860 infrastructure and determining who's allowed to use that infrastructure or not to you know you

00:42:31.360 can go down a list of ways that that government put puts a moat around these businesses that are

00:42:37.000 really friendly to the establishment right and so as a business yeah if if you are not super friendly

00:42:42.900 to the establishment you're not being very responsible to your shareholders right you have

00:42:47.560 a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders to maximize profit and when lobbying government

00:42:52.040 returns 200x on every dollar spent of course you go lobby government and so the game is rigged

00:42:59.140 uh you know so you almost can't blame uh the people that are just playing the game really

00:43:03.940 well whether it's you know corporate ceos or the the politicians who are trying to maintain

00:43:08.140 uh their place in in government um they're incentivized to do the thing and so it

00:43:13.500 ultimately it comes down to us do you know and and the whole thing the whole cultural narrative

00:43:19.620 that supports this unholy alliance of government and tech

00:43:23.760 is the idea that government ought to be in charge of everything,

00:43:28.040 including our thoughts.

00:43:29.380 There's a huge swath of the Canadian population

00:43:32.020 that thinks that saying bad things and even thinking bad things,

00:43:37.120 whether it's things about climate change or trans activists

00:43:40.560 or you name it, that thinking bad things

00:43:44.580 or having the wrong thoughts here is dangerous.

00:43:47.040 In the same way, a conservative might think that

00:43:49.200 an illiberal Islamist migrating to Canada is dangerous because of the thoughts they hold 0.99

00:43:56.180 in their head and what that might mean, while the left is even that times a thousand, right?

00:44:03.900 And so, of course, if you have that belief in earnest that these thoughts are dangerous and

00:44:09.080 ought to be stifled and controlled, well, then you are going to cheerlead this stuff. You're

00:44:13.880 going to see what's wrong with getting rid of hate, what's wrong with clamping down on bigotry

00:44:17.820 and and different things like that um and that's the ultimate thing that supports it and so again

00:44:22.780 it comes back to this culture of what does my neighbor believe what did what are what does he

00:44:29.100 support what is he voting for and what is the narrative that he's promoting and it's almost

00:44:34.380 always the the very narrative that the government is promoting and so you know that that that's where

00:44:39.900 the challenge comes in we have to challenge uh that because that is the root of the problem

00:44:45.420 it's not necessarily the politician it's not Trudeau you can replace Trudeau with O'Toole or

00:44:50.640 even me or Maxime Bernier and you're likely going to see very similar policies emerge because your

00:44:57.540 hands are tied when you're in government if you want to stay in that position you are going to

00:45:01.540 have to play by the the rules that culture imposes and that the institutions that emerge out of that

00:45:06.780 culture and the bureaucracies that emerge out of that culture impose on you as a politician

00:45:11.240 so in a lot of ways you're chained down to that agenda even if you don't believe in it or support

00:45:16.540 it and and so you know ultimately the to me the root of the problem is is we the people i mean

00:45:21.800 trudeau is just a vacuous frat boy at the end of the day living his best life you know he's got no

00:45:27.420 deep thoughts or philosophies he's he's playing a role that um he thinks people want him to play

00:45:33.540 and that that will get him that position he's doing it masterfully um but that's it he's he's

00:45:38.460 he's an empty vacuous puppet he's not in control any more than anyone else um at the end of the

00:45:45.580 day he's a simple perfect reflection of culture and and like men can said eventually democracy 1.00

00:45:51.880 will be perfected and perfectly reflect the population and we'll have a complete idiot 0.99

00:45:58.300 at at the head of you know in charge and that's what we're seeing with uh is basically the 0.99

00:46:04.260 perfection of democracy at this point. Yeah, that is depressing to look at the TV and see Trudeau

00:46:10.460 speak and those glazed eyes. I think that's a reflection of us. Oh, wow. We should really

00:46:15.500 rethink where we're going and where we've ended up. So the Libertarian Party to move further. So

00:46:21.780 you're stepping back. When is the leadership process going to be triggered and how's that

00:46:25.740 going to be going ahead? Right. Well, our leader gets elected at convention. And so we have a

00:46:31.380 convention coming up in edmonton on august 14th and 15th um you know i think a couple of uh

00:46:37.480 leadership candidates have already emerged and um and so i'm excited i think you know i've heard

00:46:43.580 that about four or five different people are interested in it which is fantastic um you know

00:46:48.880 that i've you know i think every time i've ran for leader there's been maybe one other guy i think

00:46:54.460 last time I ran unopposed you know people just like me I guess and they you know I people probably

00:47:02.360 think they can't win if I'm in the race and I've always said well I want people to challenge me I

00:47:06.960 want I want there to be a robust kind of um uh you know debate and because that kind of holds me

00:47:14.560 accountable and one can kind of get lazy and and lackadaisical uh when you don't have people

00:47:19.840 nipping at your feet so I think it's great that there's a bunch of people running for that position

00:47:24.400 right now it speaks to the importance that they feel in terms of the libertarian party and it

00:47:29.640 gives our members a good choice in terms of who they want representing them as the front man

00:47:34.160 so um yeah i look forward to that august 14th and 15th great yeah and i mean time's creeping up fast

00:47:40.800 i mean it's looking very likely we're coming into a federal election campaign uh pretty quickly

00:47:45.320 has the party been preparing some candidates to get out there and get the message on the streets

00:47:49.740 and kind of getting ready for this call?

00:47:51.840 Yeah, absolutely.

00:47:52.620 We've got candidates all across the country,

00:47:55.700 you know, who have stepped up

00:47:57.680 and said they're interested in running.

00:47:59.840 And, you know, it's definitely harder now

00:48:02.340 to break through the noise

00:48:03.280 now that we have, you know,

00:48:05.400 a couple of parties

00:48:08.120 that have overlapping views on Liberty,

00:48:10.700 let's say like the Maverick Party and the PPC.

00:48:12.900 So we have, you know, it's hard to recruit.

00:48:15.740 It's harder to recruit now.

00:48:17.000 um but uh you know i think there's still a lot of people that are attracted to our our pure message

00:48:23.760 of look um we can't just have liberty in one area we have to have liberty in all areas this isn't

00:48:30.680 and to undermine liberty in one area is to open the door to a slippery slope of statism and and

00:48:37.680 the infringement of liberty everywhere you don't you don't allow a little bit of cancer you got to

00:48:42.100 cut that tumor right out completely and i think people are recognizing that and they're they're

00:48:46.860 more and more they're attracted to the message of the libertarian party so that's good but at the

00:48:52.100 same time you know I I do worry like you know as a firefighter paramedic having gone through this

00:48:57.540 pandemic in the last year and you know seeing COVID patients but also seeing more than that

00:49:04.160 seeing the the the what I call emergencies of isolation you know suicide attempts and

00:49:12.340 drug overdoses and severe depression and you know just people breaking breaking down and breaking

00:49:19.060 apart it's been horrendous over the past year and and now that things are opening up I'm seeing an

00:49:26.060 even different side of of what this culture has imposed now that you know people have been told

00:49:34.100 for the last year that they can't be trusted with their own health care that that their judgment is

00:49:39.460 lacking that they need to trust the experts and trust the science. And we are seeing, we're

00:49:45.080 setting records in terms of call volume now that we've never seen. Like we're just run, you know,

00:49:52.620 the system is bursting at the seams in terms of EMS and emergency, at least with people just

00:49:58.980 call, you know, they're getting, well, to give you an example, a 55 year old guy has a nosebleed

00:50:07.160 for the first time in his life and doesn't know what to do so he calls 9-1-1 you know um an old

00:50:12.940 guy has a fever doesn't know what to do so he calls 9-1-1 you know someone else has a bit of

00:50:17.900 belly pain uh someone else uh you know felt a little faint on the golf course in 35 degree

00:50:23.620 weather and call you know all these things that that you or i would never call 9-1-1 for or go

00:50:29.080 to emerge for because we could just deal with them ourselves at home suddenly it's like a flood of

00:50:35.260 people who don't trust themselves to look after their own health care are are just flooding the

00:50:43.380 system and you know I almost can't blame them because they've been told for the past year 1.00

00:50:49.400 that they're idiots and they're dumb and they don't they can't manage their own risks 1.00

00:50:53.440 at all trust the experts and that is a troubling trend that's almost more troubling to me than 1.00

00:51:00.280 than all the isolation and depression I've seen over the past year is just this culture of complete

00:51:05.620 and utter dependence on the state. And man, I don't know how to combat that or what to do about

00:51:13.500 it. And it's kind of left me shaken a little bit and foggy in terms of what's the path forward for

00:51:20.560 me to try to advance liberty. So I'm going to hand it over to someone who has a clear vision

00:51:25.820 and is uh you know you're gonna drive things forward yeah well we've turned the state into

00:51:31.980 our our motherhood a bigger figure almost uh you know to put her hand on her head when we feel a

00:51:36.860 little fever it's it yeah not now you're calling 9-1-1 that is distressing something since you're

00:51:42.860 you are a paramedic and you're seeing a lot more uh one thing i do is drive uber quite often in

00:51:47.260 my spare time i enjoy it it gets me out i talk to people i see things you know i don't just drive i

00:51:52.380 I observe. And one of the things I'd seen a lot of and more so, I mean, particularly in this year

00:51:59.540 is yes, ambulances constantly and chronically. And often I see it's an overdose case. I've

00:52:05.160 actually started carrying a Naloxone kit in my car in case I encounter an event and possibly

00:52:11.620 might be able to lend a hand. But I mean, there's no doubt that some degree of the addiction

00:52:15.500 epidemic that's really spiked in this year has had at least a contributing factor from the state

00:52:21.000 crack down on personal liberties like people being shut down and and they've led to self-medicating

00:52:26.240 where do we go with that yeah well i mean you know i think the roots of addiction are

00:52:31.240 uh just that they're isolation i think it's johan hari who talks about um addiction as a disease of

00:52:39.640 connection a sexual essentially right and the cure to that is connection with community and people

00:52:44.460 and family and friends you know people who are loved and supported in their community generally

00:52:49.420 don't use um you know i still remember remember my great grandfather's memoirs and there's a line

00:52:55.360 in there he he escaped uh stalinist russia and he in his memoirs he talks about the rise of

00:53:01.160 of communism and how um with the rise of communism there was an increasing lineup at the the liquor

00:53:08.680 store um you know as people as he put it sought to anesthetize himself from the pain of their

00:53:14.900 existence essentially and i think that's what we're seeing now certainly uh it's just been an

00:53:20.380 unprecedented you know i one one of my colleagues was responding to an overdose administering

00:53:27.180 naloxone and meanwhile there was a lady there who had a uh syringe of heroin that she was about to 1.00

00:53:34.080 inject in her and he's like what are you doing why are you injecting that you're gonna overdose

00:53:37.740 and she's like i never overdose and she injected it and uh you know two minutes later they were

00:53:43.320 giving her naloxone because she was unconscious and not breathing and you know it's just it's

00:53:49.060 it's just a wave of desperation loneliness um yeah and and so i mean the cure for for this

00:53:56.600 of course is is connection and personal responsibility um you know you cannot a you

00:54:04.320 can you know our our approach to uh drugs has been to lock up and isolate these addicts right

00:54:11.780 Who get into dealing and using to support their habit and self-medicating the pain of

00:54:18.480 their existence and loneliness.

00:54:19.980 What do we do?

00:54:20.600 We isolate them and make them even more lonely and think that that's going to solve the problem.

00:54:23.980 But now that we have that on steroids, I mean, all the people, collective and society

00:54:32.120 and community seem to be the one promoting all these policies that have us all atomized

00:54:37.260 and isolated in our own homes and using, you know, these electronic kind of virtual or fake

00:54:43.860 means of connecting, holding society together. And we need face-to-face contact. We need human

00:54:49.740 touch. We need to feel that love from each other and that support from each other. And the bigger

00:54:55.460 government gets, the less we have of that. Because, you know, I've said this for years,

00:55:01.220 we've outsourced our sense of personal responsibility to the government. You know,

00:55:05.600 So when my neighbor falls on hard times and loses his jobs or becomes disabled or something

00:55:09.600 like that, I don't feel any sense of duty or obligation or responsibility to my neighbor

00:55:14.760 because I know there's someone else that's looking after that.

00:55:17.640 There's someone else that's responsible for that.

00:55:19.800 I see this in emergency services all the time.

00:55:22.880 People will, you know, I remember getting called for a house fire once and, you know,

00:55:29.200 I asked dispatch, I was the first arriving officer so that I was going to be taking

00:55:33.780 incident command and you know this I wanted to have some information are there people in the

00:55:38.920 house how bad is the fire you know what's going on and and dispatch said well we don't know if

00:55:43.800 there's anybody in the house or how involved it is the person was just driving by and saw the fire

00:55:49.060 and reported I'm like who doesn't feel a sense of duty or obligation to at least knock on the door

00:55:54.840 we don't expect you to run into a burning building and pull people out be a hero but at least try to

00:55:59.100 help a little bit I mean wouldn't that be what a normal human would do and of course we get there

00:56:04.660 and and like three fire halls screaming through traffic probably calling causing multiple fender

00:56:10.180 benders to get to this burning house and save some people arrived to find that it was the reflection 0.90

00:56:15.900 of the sunset in the picture window because someone didn't have the common sense or sense

00:56:21.160 of personal responsibility and then later on that day remember the whole city of Fort McMurray was

00:56:26.820 shut down because of this Amber Alert issue, because the child was being kidnapped, abducted

00:56:34.860 at a playground in broad daylight at about 6 p.m. And when all things shook out, it turned out it

00:56:42.360 was the kid's uncle who was taking her home for supper. She didn't want to go. She wanted to stay

00:56:46.440 playing, so she was kind of kicking and screaming. Now, if you or I were to see what we thought was

00:56:51.740 a kidnapping in progress wouldn't we at least confront the guy try to get some details like

00:56:56.520 try to break it up you know even if you're not physically capable of interjecting at least you

00:57:02.540 can confront that situation and you know watch you know and follow or something like that but no one

00:57:08.660 did that they just saw what they thought was a kidnapping and said oh i'll just call 9-1-1 and

00:57:12.040 they'll take care of it and so this failure of of us to take personal responsibility um has and

00:57:19.820 outsource that personal responsibility to the state so that we can feel good you know we we

00:57:26.720 supported minimum wage so we didn't have to go out and start a business and pay people what we

00:57:31.640 thought was a living wage and take that responsibility on yourself we can feel good

00:57:35.020 about the fact that the government is doing it for us um well that's that's i think the real

00:57:40.440 problem here um you know people aren't willing to take personal responsibility and they they get

00:57:45.820 the payoff of feeling good that they promoted some kind of policy by making some facebook posts

00:57:51.280 and voting the right way or something like that that that is um yeah i mean i think that that is

00:57:57.380 the real tragedy here is that you know and so i think part of me thinks that the revolution just

00:58:02.720 needs to be we need to start doing things we need to be start taking personal responsibility and

00:58:07.560 finding solutions in our own community and building infrastructure there uh that is built on

00:58:12.480 these voluntary arrangements of people not being coerced but uh doing it out of out of the love

00:58:19.160 and goodness of their heart and out of their sense of of duty to their their neighbors and

00:58:24.160 their communities just because eventually this this state is you know this uh apparatus is

00:58:30.400 going to collapse under its own weight and um you know we we need something in place when that

00:58:35.080 happens so i you know more and more i'm kind of being pulled towards this idea of of uh building

00:58:39.960 solutions locally and wherever I can to allow people to take more responsibility in their own

00:58:46.620 lives despite all the things that the government is doing and you know there's a friend of mine

00:58:51.160 Gabriel Shear is just back from Chile and he's looking at building a community in Saskatchewan

00:58:57.000 that is libertarian and you know that that is going to be an incorporated municipality

00:59:03.160 and is going to be, you know, built along these guidelines of not using coercion and violence to

00:59:12.800 get things done, but rather voluntary means and relationships where it's like society as Edmund

00:59:20.100 Burke describes it, you know, built on the little platoons of family, of charity, of church, of

00:59:27.260 business building up. So that's maybe, you know, where I think I'm going to be focused a little

00:59:33.860 bit more on is trying to build it, build up solutions rather than just sit here and attack 0.98

00:59:40.700 government and, you know, talk about all the ways it's bullshit. I think that's still important,

00:59:45.820 but more and more I'm thinking of actually building something, you know, where we are

00:59:52.980 taking personal responsibility rather than relying government on it.

00:59:56.520 Yeah. Well, I like how you brought up, you know, community and some of that and knowing your

01:00:00.440 neighbors, the rural urban divide. I mean, that's a whole thing for another show almost, but I live

01:00:05.620 in Prittis. And just an example that came to mind was when I ran the pub, I had a group of four

01:00:10.340 jokers come in very, well, I think they were wired and they were being a real pain. They brought in

01:00:15.480 outside liquor. I had to eject them. They said, well, no, we're going to stay and we'll beat the

01:00:21.220 hell out of you if you get in our face but then the bar rose up and the locals all ejected them

01:00:25.580 on my behalf so it wasn't a matter of calling the police because police have 40 minute response times

01:00:29.800 there anyways but it worked out fantastically it was uh you know tense but peaceful and you know

01:00:34.820 what those guys live in the area but they never showed up at the bar ever again it was effective

01:00:38.600 and preventative uh it's that sense of community in a city bar everybody would have stayed seated

01:00:43.220 and waited for the police to arrive uh right you know and it's the same with fires in our area if

01:00:49.360 somebody sees smoke coming up, the neighbors get up. I mean, they'll call 911, but then they drive

01:00:52.700 over. They'll say, you know, what can I do? And I got a bucket and a broom full of water or

01:00:55.880 whatever. And in the city, same sort of thing. You know, somebody will call 911 and carry on

01:01:00.700 with their day. If we could transfer that attitude to urban communities, I think we'd all be better

01:01:04.660 for it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And you're right. There is a rural urban divide. And I think it is

01:01:10.660 because, you know, folks that live in rural areas don't rely a lot on the government. They are

01:01:16.840 taking personal responsibility and I mean it's probably a large part of it is a choice as well

01:01:22.700 that's the lifestyle that attracted them the the lifestyle where you are being you know your your

01:01:29.400 survival is dependent on your ability to competently manage uh responsibility to take it on

01:01:36.460 and and deal with it and do so in collaboration with those in around you your neighbors your

01:01:42.600 your community and that sort of thing um it really um builds up social bonds and and you know i once

01:01:50.580 had this uh very progressive guy who was very just fascinated with with my politics ask me

01:01:57.160 i hear what you're saying about the individual tim but what about community where does community

01:02:01.920 come into this libertarian philosophy because i'm really you know community is important to me i

01:02:08.040 said well ken i mean the first thing you have to do if you want to build up a community with all

01:02:12.140 these social bonds is put the gun down you can't have a government continually coercively pointing

01:02:17.020 guns at people and imposing all these arbitrary rules on people and expect to have a bonded

01:02:24.420 community and culture you have to respect individuals you know good fences make good

01:02:29.360 neighbors um and you know i think that's that's true uh but uh you know the left doesn't see that

01:02:36.060 and and they don't because quite often they live in these big cities where government looks after

01:02:41.460 everything you know they they don't have to figure out how to dispose of the garbage they

01:02:45.420 don't have to figure out how to repair the the potholes on their their you know half a mile 0.98

01:02:50.580 long driveway they don't have to um you know figure out how how they're how to get their

01:02:56.700 grow their food or harvest it or anything they just as soon as they're hungry they they can skip

01:03:01.740 skip the dishes it you know everything is provided for them to the point where they don't have to

01:03:07.340 So, you know, I don't know how you solve that, how you get people that live in urban areas who are completely dependent on government to have the same attitude of those in rural areas that really have no use for it.

01:03:22.880 But, you know, that is a challenge we face.

01:03:26.980 Well, it's a, you know, a big picture discussion.

01:03:30.400 I appreciate, you know, hearing your optimism, though, when you're looking, you're not just, you know, stepping away from the Libertarian Party and giving up on the pursuit.

01:03:37.340 of spreading the message of liberty, I guess you could say.

01:03:40.200 I mean, you're going to stay active and you, you know, you feel that there's been inroads

01:03:45.480 made and I agree with you.

01:03:46.520 I feel there definitely has.

01:03:47.860 And, you know, we, it's as futile as it feels sometimes like pushing and the trends don't

01:03:52.680 go your way.

01:03:53.480 The bigger frustration is to not do anything because they're definitely not going to go

01:03:57.140 your way.

01:03:57.940 Well, and, you know, yeah, the essay I read, you know, because it gets discouraging at

01:04:05.580 times, uh, uh, you know, trying to spread this message. Um, but there's, there's an essay by

01:04:11.920 Albert J. Knock that I go back to. I think he wrote it in the thirties and it's called

01:04:15.560 Isaiah's job. Now I'm not, uh, not a religious person, but, uh, this essay spoke to me and it's

01:04:21.780 a story about Isaiah, God's prophet who said, you know, God, you sent me out here to, to, um,

01:04:28.600 warn people about the coming apocalypse or catastrophe, if they can carry on in their

01:04:33.520 sinful ways. And, you know, I'm out here pounding the pavement and working hard to spread this

01:04:39.840 message and no one is heeding it. No one's listening to me. People keep sinning. Things

01:04:44.880 seem to be heading towards hell. Like, why did you order me to do this when it's not doing

01:04:51.020 anything, when it's not going to avert catastrophe? And God told him, he said, look, your job was

01:04:56.980 never to avert catastrophe. There is a group of people out there. There are individuals out there

01:05:02.660 that are hearing your message that believe the same thing you believe that those are the people

01:05:08.320 that after the cataclysm comes are going to band together and rebuild society and those are the

01:05:14.740 people that you are ministering to that you are encouraging that you are giving hope to and those

01:05:20.960 are the remnant and Ron Paul often talked about the remnant in his campaign that's where he got

01:05:24.900 that message from and so even if we're not going to turn this ship around even if there's no hope

01:05:30.400 left for canada or western civilization uh and things collapse under their own weight um there

01:05:36.480 there will be something new afterwards and there there will be there are people out there right

01:05:41.500 now and so one of the most gratifying things i've found over the past seven years has been

01:05:46.820 just traveling canada and connecting with these people the remnant the people that thought that

01:05:53.620 they were all alone out there in this world that there was no one that thought like them that

01:05:57.620 there that everyone was that the whole world was against them and that they were their own little

01:06:02.340 island there and everywhere i've gone and spoken and these people come out of the woodwork drawn

01:06:08.500 to this message at a pub or a church or wherever the meeting is and what's left behind is a network

01:06:14.800 of people who have each other's backs who you know when when shit goes south they're gonna be 0.75

01:06:21.400 each other's support. And so that is one of the positive unintended consequences of getting out

01:06:29.900 there and being active and preaching this message and being called, you know, feeling like you're

01:06:34.000 called to, but yet not seeing any tangible results that you expected to see. There's this positive

01:06:39.780 unintended thing that happens where all these networks and communities kind of emerge everywhere

01:06:45.600 I've gone. So that's been very gratifying for me. And I think, you know, that's kind of what

01:06:50.040 that essay, I go back to it regularly when I feel kind of hopeless or a little bit depressed about

01:06:56.740 how things are going. Well, I appreciate that. And like I said, I do appreciate that messaging.

01:07:02.660 I'm looking forward to seeing what you get up to in coming years. As I said, you know, it's not

01:07:07.560 like you're retiring from life. You're just stepping back from the leadership of the Libertarian

01:07:10.740 Party. And I'm looking forward to see what the new leadership brings about with it and hopefully

01:07:15.040 some great messaging in this coming election. So thanks for coming on with me. It's always great

01:07:19.460 chatting with you i really enjoy it i see the commenters have as well so uh i'm certain we'll

01:07:24.580 be talking again sometime soon you bet thanks corth appreciate you having me on all right

01:07:29.700 tim no it was really great i will talk to you later yeah it is so easy to talk to tim and i

01:07:40.500 can go on and on um okay carmen uh is asking where to sign up for the party i'm not sure i

01:07:46.100 I know if you look Libertarian Party of Canada up, though, you can definitely find information for signing up and getting on board.

01:07:53.580 And as Tim said, there are conventions in Edmonton this year.

01:07:56.840 So, you know, Albertans can get in there.

01:07:58.900 And I did really like his messaging, like I said, because that's the thing I said is somebody who's run for, you know, you don't want to call smaller French parties or things like that.

01:08:09.380 It's not pointless.

01:08:10.620 It's not beating your head against the wall.

01:08:12.620 It might not feel like it, but you are doing something good.

01:08:15.420 you're you're helping things you're moving the needle even if you don't see it you're building

01:08:19.600 that community and maybe that community won't be able to make much change right now a little later

01:08:24.780 it might and and uh you've got to start somewhere you might as well start now rather than before

01:08:30.660 that you know rather than after the crash comes or as d says you know and this is an interesting

01:08:34.680 thing that came out in tim's conversation how's the left growing such proportions when you know

01:08:38.620 it seems like they're becoming a majority and am i wrong no you're not wrong um and that was a lot

01:08:43.720 kind of where tim was going with things we've gotten to the state of personal irresponsibility

01:08:48.760 we really feel uh that the government is responsible for everything and we embrace it

01:08:56.280 we want them to it's a form of laziness you know we we just don't want to have to take on these

01:09:01.640 things for ourselves and we give it away to the government and it's grown and that attitude has

01:09:06.760 grown and uh the left panders to that so they continue to grow support conservatives

01:09:13.080 give the message out that you know well you got to take care of yourself well that unfortunately

01:09:17.940 causes them a couple points in the polls and then they back off on it and as tim said

01:09:22.180 they tend to be just two weeks behind the liberals or whatever not too not too far after

01:09:25.740 they will follow suit so this is difficult how do we build those communities how do you get people

01:09:30.940 to start thinking i should be taking care of my neighbors rather than and they take care of me

01:09:35.720 you know a community rather than waiting for big government to do it it's a monumentalist

01:09:41.100 a massive endeavor and uh he's been working out for some time he phrases it fantastically you

01:09:47.700 know it's sad that he's leaving the leadership of the party because he's done a really good job

01:09:50.720 as he said he's not done he's not going anywhere and uh hopefully he can uh keep going with things

01:09:57.860 yeah patricia yeah the audio was breaking up it's bad internet and a few things this part

01:10:01.440 this summer break um as i said earlier we're going to be moving away from this live model

01:10:07.540 lives nice where we can get these interactions and questions and everything, but we just don't

01:10:10.940 have that, that technical basis yet. You know, the standard is just a year and a half old and

01:10:15.160 it's reincarnation. I guess you could say, uh, we're building our infrastructure. We're getting

01:10:19.160 better. And, uh, the shows are going to be improving with some, yeah, better audio, better,

01:10:23.200 uh, video and everything. I mean, we've got some great guests and some great discourse,

01:10:26.960 but we've got to iron some of those things up. So summer's a good time to do that.

01:10:31.480 And that's part of why we're still going to be putting out stuff, but it's going to be recorded

01:10:34.400 rather than live uh from this show and from um uh gita pipeline will be live every wednesday

01:10:42.160 still uh so i'll close out you know getting back to government and authority and frustration uh

01:10:48.720 canada day was yesterday i i've talked to others about you know if you say oh you're a supporter

01:10:53.280 of independence why do you even care about canada well you see again i'm not one of those who has

01:10:58.160 this rage at history that canada day assuming the west becomes independent you know 10 years from

01:11:04.080 now five years from now 30 years from now whatever it might be a portion of Alberta's history will

01:11:10.160 have been as part of Canada and I don't mind and I won't mind recognizing that I mean I see Canada

01:11:18.320 as a country that's under a broken system a system that's not serving us all correctly

01:11:23.200 a system that needs that we can't repair that we have to tear down and rebuild

01:11:28.320 but I'm not going to take my vitriol on the country itself just because the country made

01:11:31.760 mistakes doesn't mean I scorn the entire nation. This Cancel Canada Day movement is a bunch of

01:11:39.000 crap. I'll put it bluntly. It's a bunch of crap, okay? I mean, this country has done some horrific 1.00

01:11:44.380 things wrong, but if you look at the world scale of it, and I know every country says that on their

01:11:49.680 Independence Day, Canada Day, those sorts of things, but it's true. It's one of the best countries on

01:11:52.980 earth. It's got some of the most freedoms on earth. I mean, they're under threat, and we've

01:11:56.140 always got to stand up for them but to try and cancel the one day of the year

01:12:01.360 that we just observe and celebrate what the nation has done right and listen to

01:12:06.140 that as kissing virtue signaling pricks like they had Nancy say we should hang 0.97

01:12:10.720 our heads in shame during Canada put these orange things up because the

01:12:14.200 residential school system no no I will still mourn the horrific things that

01:12:20.980 were done by the government and the residential school system but I'm not

01:12:24.640 going to be ashamed. I keep seeing that. I was fighting with people on Twitter saying you should be ashamed of yourself. Kiss my ass. No, I didn't put a single kid in a residential school. I am working now as with Tim to get to a place where the state never has such power where they can grab kids from a household and stuff them in a school like that. I can't fix what was done 100 years ago, 50 years ago, even 30 years ago. I can't fix what was done two days ago. But I can fix things in the future and try to make them better.

01:12:54.640 better. And anyway, it's a shame that I'm supposed to be considered a bad person because I'm not

01:13:01.760 descended from an Aboriginal person. That's the bottom line of it. No, that's ridiculous. It's 1.00

01:13:05.400 divisive. It's identity politics and it's ugliest. And again, as I said, the irony of people like 0.63

01:13:12.620 Minchie, and Minchie's a statist, he's a guy who loves control. That's part of why he keeps that

01:13:16.000 mask a lot. He's the kind of guy who likes the kind of big intrusive government that does things

01:13:21.260 in the air quotes for our own good. No, he's not responsible for the residential school system

01:13:26.480 either. Of course not. I won't lay that blame on him. His attitude is his attitude where I'm the

01:13:34.180 smartest man in the room. That's a literal quote from that peckerhead. And I will tell you what's 0.62

01:13:40.160 good for you. I will manage how you're going to live. That's that attitude. That's the attitude

01:13:46.680 that the Laurentian elite had when they modeled and imposed to the residential school system.

01:13:53.520 Now they're just expanding it in a more broad way.

01:13:57.060 And no, they're not going to grab us and stick us in schools.

01:13:58.780 They're infringing all different other freedoms, such as speech, such as property, movement, commerce.

01:14:05.920 But no, I'm not going to look at the one day a year where we observe the history of Canada

01:14:10.700 and celebrate what it's done right and say that I should be ashamed

01:14:14.500 because they found a number of graves outside these residential schools and you know some of

01:14:18.740 the coverage on that as well you know we've known about the residential school system but we've got

01:14:24.340 to get a realistic lens we see i watched the video i was mentioning about them one thing that was

01:14:29.460 interesting it was i believe the cranbrook one where they found a where they've been locating

01:14:35.140 a bunch of bodies was one of the people there on the location was getting quite pissed off and she

01:14:39.860 was a native lady she said look these were not bodies discovered we always knew they were there

01:14:45.460 they used to be grave markers they were wooden they've deteriorated they've gone away over time

01:14:50.340 we've been doing this so we can find and identify people and permanently martin and you know there's

01:14:54.100 a lot of non-native cemeteries they've been doing the same thing because we're on the prairies

01:14:58.260 yeah they you you know you get a death during the 20s and you're out on the the range you buried

01:15:04.500 your loved one and you put a wooden cross and it's all you could do and 30 years later that

01:15:09.220 things gone so they're relocating these things so you know let's get the perspective on here that's

01:15:15.860 not a mass grave i mean that location it turns out as well had a hospital right next to it that

01:15:20.340 operated for a number of years and they used that cemetery as well and again i don't want to

01:15:26.180 understate the horrors of the residential city somebody was still 100 wrong these kids should

01:15:30.180 not be snatched from their family this motivation to have churches teach and take the indianness 0.99

01:15:36.580 and that's some of the terms they used for it out of these kids in a forced institution is

01:15:40.340 disgusting it's horrific and we can't forget it and we should talk about it but let's get

01:15:45.460 realistic let's stop lighting our hair on fire now over all of these new and i'll call it quotes

01:15:51.620 again discoveries they aren't we're treating every one of them as if this wasn't known and

01:15:57.380 somebody else made a fantastic point about it you know because somebody was slicing dicing well the

01:16:01.940 kids died of disease and it's not even that's true but where else does somebody have a cemetery at

01:16:07.060 their school that's nuts and that shows the disrespect that the state had for the parents

01:16:13.860 it shows that you know any other children back then the parents would have been let

01:16:19.700 know that their child had passed on that the remains of the child would have been brought

01:16:23.700 back to the community to be interred whatever way that community does in this case they just

01:16:27.300 Just buried the children at the school site, moved along.

01:16:31.460 This is terrible.

01:16:33.840 But we're reporting on it in all the wrong ways.

01:16:37.440 We're looking at it in all the wrong ways.

01:16:39.720 And now this insane trend of attacking Catholic churches and cathedrals. 1.00

01:16:44.800 Again, guys, you're cowards. 0.99

01:16:47.240 People go out in the night and burn things and vandalize. 1.00

01:16:49.780 And you're cowards. 1.00

01:16:50.240 You're pussy. 1.00

01:16:51.940 You're not heroes. 1.00

01:16:53.980 You're just thugs. 0.95

01:16:55.120 If you really want to go to the target, target government. 0.97

01:16:59.740 And no, again, I'm not talking about screaming at politicians in the streets.

01:17:02.580 They're saying change government, blame government, though.

01:17:04.280 Look at that.

01:17:04.700 It's the state.

01:17:05.980 The church could never have done all of those things at the residential schools without the authority of the state, the permission.

01:17:12.200 In fact, they were contracted by the state.

01:17:14.560 It doesn't mean the church isn't responsible whatsoever.

01:17:17.760 And, hey, have a look at some of the stuff on the East Coast.

01:17:21.760 that I you know there's a lot of Catholic priests who've done a hell of a lot of things and nothing

01:17:26.720 to do with native kids you know these uh people who wrap themselves in the cloth and go celibate 1.00

01:17:33.840 you know they turn themselves into perverts on many levels and they've done it many times

01:17:38.800 not all of them have but there's some real issues with religion at that point but either way

01:17:44.160 we're just getting some really bad reporting we're getting a lot of rage that's misdirected

01:17:47.920 uh it's going the wrong way we're not moving towards solutions that way but let's try to be

01:17:52.980 a little more rational with this we can still be upset absolutely we should be in that we should

01:17:56.820 still look at this unvarnished terrible chapter of canadian history and see and make sure we don't

01:18:03.660 repeat it ever again but we got to stop at listening to the mainstream media reporting 0.97

01:18:08.960 this crap every time as if it's a new discovery and just feeding the range feeding the hate feeding 0.92

01:18:14.000 the division the identity politics which is the worst thing on earth and i've said before and i 0.99

01:18:19.120 said again i'll close the show with that nobody is serious about a solution unless they come up

01:18:24.240 and say they want to see an end to the indian act in the reserve system or that's it it's race-based

01:18:29.760 policy it's wrong it's 100 friggin wrong and it's failing it's always failed and if you think you

01:18:37.760 can fix things within this system you're just full of you're delusional so until you get up

01:18:42.640 there and say you're getting rid of the indian act and the reserve system you're pissing in the wind

01:18:46.800 you're not going to fix a thing where on earth do you think we can take a group of people based on

01:18:51.760 race have entirely separate policies that apply to them literally based on their race i thought

01:18:58.800 we're supposed to grow past this and then keep them living in a separate area from the rest of 0.73

01:19:06.720 the world based on race as complete dependence of the government and you're shocked that it's

01:19:11.760 dysfunctional you're shocked that they got massive substance abuse domestic abuse and crisis this is

01:19:18.640 high suicide levels earlier uh you know like shorter life expectancies addictions come on

01:19:25.040 of course they do and it doesn't matter which race if you took anybody and segregated them like that

01:19:29.520 stuck them off someplace they're going to be socially dysfunctional so again until somebody

01:19:34.960 says get rid of the indian act and get rid of the reserve system we're not going anywhere guys we're 1.00

01:19:41.600 going to see more of these things happening it's going to get worse and worse all right i'm going

01:19:45.600 to close it up for today as i said this is the end of the live stuff i know some others are coming

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Western Standard - July 03, 2021

The Cory Morgan Show, July 2 2021

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