Western Standard - The Cory Morgan Show June 28 2021

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00:02:00.000 Good morning. Welcome to the Corey Morgan Show, June 28th, 2021. I've got an interesting one

00:02:21.560 coming today. It looks like for those who've been watching that case out in Ontario with

00:02:26.700 adam skelly of adamson barbecue he was kind of the first guy to take a stand last fall against

00:02:32.700 lockdown restrictions with his business uh much like chris scott in alberta they lined up in the

00:02:39.560 end uh you know hundreds or whatever a crazy amount of police officers at one point with a

00:02:43.820 big barricade outside of adamson barbecue to uh block skelly from from opening and managing to

00:02:49.740 make a living. He became the symbol for resistance against the lockdowns in Ontario. And he was

00:02:57.560 charged, of course, under a whole number of charges, which finally got to court this last

00:03:03.080 week or so. It sounds like this morning, a judge has thrown out the charges against Adam Skelly.

00:03:09.560 I'll get the full details. And in a short while here, I'm going to have Karen Selleck coming on. 0.99

00:03:13.700 And she's been writing for the Western Standard and covering this out there in Ontario and watching

00:03:19.240 this case, as well as a fellow named Chris Weisdorf, who was apparently in the courtroom

00:03:23.900 today, will find out just what's happened. You know, it's really interesting. As we see all

00:03:29.300 these charges that have been coming out province by province against people, you know, for breaking

00:03:34.520 lockdown restrictions. And as they get to court, they're constantly getting thrown out of court.

00:03:39.580 I mean, they aren't even getting to the point of going through the entire hearing. Judges are just

00:03:44.580 tossing these charges out it's clear that they're arbitrary and they do not have a strong basis in

00:03:50.220 law so that you know we're just clogging the court system for these things to be thrown out

00:03:53.820 most of the mask ones are being thrown out menchie's mask law which will be the only one

00:03:58.780 left in alberta in a major city uh this wednesday uh good luck charging or convicting anybody on

00:04:05.700 wednesday with that one i mean uh it's been really interesting to watch this develop though it's

00:04:10.680 going to be quite something to speak to uh karen and chris and find out just what happened there

00:04:15.340 in the courts because this will be a real precedent setter i mean rob ford or say doug

00:04:20.300 ford out in ontario i mean he's made alberta look you know slack as far as the restrictions go i

00:04:26.640 mean ford's gone right out of his mind on the uh whole covid thing i mean politician by politician

00:04:31.740 some of them have more fear than and less the you know when it comes to this this pandemic and

00:04:36.700 And Ford has just been right off his nut as far as this thing goes.

00:04:40.160 So they went after Skelly heavily, and it sounds like they failed.

00:04:44.200 Skelly has had the charges dropped against them, though I'll get the full details of that pretty quickly here.

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00:08:00.360 get some great coffee so i see uh karen selick sitting in the lobby here already i'd love to 1.00

00:08:05.000 pull her in because i want to find out just what happened there this kind of dropped and broke 0.98

00:08:08.520 recently here there you are how you doing karen hi carrie i'm fine i'm but actually i'm i'm in

00:08:16.120 shock to tell you the truth because i wasn't even able to get into the skelly hearing this morning

00:08:21.880 that's adamson barbecue um hearing i had distributed the link very widely not realizing

00:08:28.120 that there was going to be a limit of 500 people and so when i tried to log in myself i was told

00:08:34.120 there's uh yeah adam skelly there's um already 500 people logged in so i never got to see it

00:08:40.200 it. But unfortunately, it was scheduled to run for two days. And the judge has pulled the plug

00:08:47.260 on it already. And that's why I asked one of the other people who's very involved in the case,

00:08:52.840 that's why I asked you whether you could get Chris Weisdorf to come on as well today

00:08:56.900 and talk about what happened, because he saw it. And he knows more about this than I do.

00:09:04.780 Yeah, absolutely. Well, you've been covering this for a while. And as you said, this has

00:09:08.540 kind of been the the precedent setter i mean this is the big case this is the the crackdown in alberta

00:09:13.180 we're doing it to religious leaders in ontario they've been going after adam skelly who i keep

00:09:17.980 accidentally calling chris that's because uh chris scott in alberta is uh our western uh equivalent

00:09:23.180 who's been trying to run his uh whistle stop cafe uh he's had a number of charges laid against him

00:09:27.820 and dropped and i think he still has some pending now so can you give a bit of a full background

00:09:32.300 then on adam skelly most of the viewers are familiar with the case but probably they know

00:09:36.540 yeah his his restaurant he has three restaurants actually in the toronto area called adamson barbecue

00:09:42.380 and i've actually just been reading his his affidavit evidence that was uh before the court

00:09:47.340 just today i didn't have a chance to read it until now but he's been a you know great entrepreneur

00:09:52.060 and um when they brought in the lockdowns you know at first he did lock down and then uh realized

00:09:58.700 that this was you know this was destroying his business um he had to lay he had to lay off his

00:10:04.060 employees it was destroying a whole bunch of families um and and it was going to wreck his

00:10:09.580 business and so he decided that he he took a lot of other measures too he tried to contact people

00:10:14.780 he tried you know freedom of information requests and wasn't getting any response um was getting you

00:10:20.540 know sort of stonewalled at every turn and so he decided that the best thing he could do would be 0.68

00:10:25.180 to try civil disobedience so he's the guy that um you probably saw the videos last november i think

00:10:31.100 it was three consecutive days the police came to shut him down and they tried you know stronger

00:10:36.220 and stronger measures and finally i think on the last day there were literally hundreds of

00:10:40.860 police officers there including dozens of mounted police and finally they arrested him um you know

00:10:47.500 put him in jail for a while and um and shut shut the place down so ever since then he has been

00:10:53.820 preparing to have his case heard and today was supposed to be today and tomorrow the hearings

00:10:58.620 were supposed to take place. All of the evidence had already been prepared by affidavit, so there

00:11:05.500 wouldn't be any live testimony and cross-examination. All of that's been done in the background,

00:11:09.900 and it was just supposed to be the judge hearing the constitutional challenge today and then,

00:11:15.180 you know, reaching a decision on the constitutional issues after tomorrow and then deciding whether

00:11:21.180 he had violated the law, because if the law gets thrown out as unconstitutional then, you know,

00:11:26.220 he hasn't he hasn't committed any offense so that was what was supposed to happen yesterday or today

00:11:31.340 and tomorrow and um the judge suddenly after i don't know maybe about 90 minutes into the thing

00:11:37.020 said she didn't have jurisdiction is what i've heard i wasn't in it to hear but she pulled the 1.00

00:11:41.980 plug so it's not going well and that's quite interesting so it's a jurisdictional uh issue

00:11:48.380 because i mean that that's part of what i'm looking forward to hearing from chris hopefully

00:11:51.420 come on to see what the rationale was to toss it out before everything even got rolling,

00:11:56.360 because this is a pretty big case. Well, that's what she said. But, you know,

00:11:59.680 if there had been any jurisdictional problems, I'm sure the lawyers for the Attorney General's

00:12:03.960 office, you know, the opposing counsel for the province of Ontario would have raised that if

00:12:09.320 there had been any chance of that being a real issue. So I don't know what happened to that judge.

00:12:15.420 I don't know whether she got marching orders or whether she got cold feet.

00:12:22.420 It's a mystery to me, but it's going to be very interesting to see what happens next.

00:12:28.260 I think, you know, the dismissal of the case will have to be appealed.

00:12:31.920 So it's not dead yet.

00:12:33.860 This case has fabulous facts.

00:12:36.100 It has fabulous evidence.

00:12:38.800 You know, the people who are preparing this case went to a lot of trouble to get excellent expert witnesses.

00:12:43.860 There's half a dozen expert witnesses who are, you know, producing all of the evidence that many of us have been hearing for over a year about the, you know, the PCR tests not being valid ways to measure a true crisis.

00:12:58.920 All that stuff was ready to go.

00:13:01.200 It's before the court and she trashed it. 0.90

00:13:05.640 Well, I see Chris in the lobby there.

00:13:08.340 We'll bring him in and see what he's heard and what the judge said that he could find there.

00:13:12.420 So here we go. Hello, Chris Weissdorf. Welcome to the show.

00:13:17.520 Hi. Thank you very much for having me.

00:13:20.400 So you were just watching the proceedings then this morning?

00:13:24.600 I only caught part of them. I couldn't get on for a while.

00:13:28.940 Someone recounted the proceedings to me and told me what was going on.

00:13:32.480 We were talking about it via email.

00:13:34.480 But the point is, the court screwed this up from the beginning.

00:13:40.360 we i was i inquired about the zoom limits uh the zoom technical limits the capacity limits

00:13:47.400 well in advance of this proceeding they knew that there would be and it was reasonably foreseeable

00:13:52.920 that there would be more than 500 participants and that they should do a webinar style format

00:13:59.800 or use another platform if it was insufficient to handle that many participants because we

00:14:04.680 we expected thousands of participants certainly so uh when people couldn't get on they they stopped

00:14:11.480 but i i want to be i'll be i'm going to be absolutely blunt about this um this is a

00:14:16.920 complete joke that she said it's dismissed for lack of jurisdiction the government in practical

00:14:23.240 terms if they if they felt there was a lack of jurisdiction the government could have brought

00:14:26.840 a motion to strike and that would have been the correct action if they had a problem with that

00:14:30.920 In absence of that, the judge could have adjourned the proceeding to allow us to do what the government in court wanted.

00:14:37.800 But, of course, that would have been logical, reasonable, fair and just.

00:14:41.000 You can't have that with such a politicized case.

00:14:44.940 I will say further that, you know, in terms of bringing notice of constitutional question, I mean, that was that's what the entire proceeding revolves around.

00:14:53.660 This is a notice of constitutional question revolves around sections two, seven, eight, nine.

00:14:59.920 There was also section 15 in there. It didn't have enough room to argue that. And also section 36, subsection one, which is what equalization and equal opportunities. And in addition, there's section 91, you know, the federal federal powers regarding quarantine, regarding the federal criminal law power.

00:15:18.760 so that notice was delivered it was served and filed there was no issue with it and that was on

00:15:25.620 february 1st of this year so the supreme court has held repeatedly regarding what you know what

00:15:34.520 type what type of limits are there to a notice of constitutional question the only practical limits

00:15:40.200 are that a notice of constitutional question should be filed at least 15 days ahead of the

00:15:46.780 hearing, and there must be a sufficient evidentiary record. And as I said, they weighed in on this

00:15:52.380 many times. I know all the cases off the top of my head. There's a case Dunedin in 2000,

00:15:59.000 Ducey Boudreaux v Nova Scotia in 2003, Vancouver v Ward. That's the true landmark case that

00:16:04.780 swung the door wide open for section 24 damages. That was in 2010. Then there's Guido v Canada in

00:16:12.160 2015 it's a tax case and um and then in ernst v alberta energy regulator in 2017 about an immunity

00:16:20.140 clause uh in in alberta in their in their energy act um and say you know shutting people up under

00:16:27.480 section 2b of the charter um so this is being weighed in on and this this is a very clear error

00:16:34.020 in law that that this would be kicked on such a on a technical matter when we have a massive

00:16:39.780 evidentiary record they've had notice since february 1st this is the first time in canadian history

00:16:47.380 that i know of since the charter was enacted in 1982 that a notice of constitutional questions

00:16:53.300 served and filed months ahead of time was refused to be heard first time ever you can you can bring

00:16:58.580 a notice of constitutional question in any proceeding at any time it could be in poa court

00:17:03.780 in you know with respect to uh it's you know poa court is that's what provincial offense is here 0.60

00:17:09.620 it's just alberta and every other province has the same kind of thing you can bring a notice at any

00:17:14.420 time you just need to follow whatever the statutory guidelines are regarding the actual time of

00:17:20.420 notice so in ontario you need 15 days and you need to serve it on both the attorneys general

00:17:26.100 um and then um get proof of service for for them and the prosecutor or whoever the other party or

00:17:32.820 parties are and that's it and other than having an evidentiary record you follow those rules you

00:17:39.220 can bring the notice and you should be heard that's access to justice it's fundamental and

00:17:43.940 with respect to the superior courts because she said she didn't have the jurisdiction

00:17:47.940 which is laughable the superior courts in this country have the broadest jurisdiction and

00:17:52.820 maximum power and authority to hear every simple proceeding especially constitutional proceedings

00:17:57.780 In a free and democratic society under British common law, one is subject to natural justice and perhaps fundamental justice.

00:18:04.880 Simply put, one has the right to be heard.

00:18:07.300 And that right was denied to Adam.

00:18:08.740 Access to justice was denied.

00:18:10.800 The rule of law has been canceled once again.

00:18:14.180 And I will finish by saying, if we'd done this like the government and the court wanted today, then the injunction would have lapsed and another proceeding would have been brought.

00:18:23.880 only for us to be told it's res judicata which means it's already judged and that we're trying

00:18:29.320 to relitigate the matter and therefore we're not allowed to do that so damned if you do damned if

00:18:35.700 you don't obviously the proper thing here would have been for the for the judge to kick the

00:18:40.380 proceeding down the road and said just do it do it how the government wants come to an agreement

00:18:44.560 and then then i'll hear it that would have been the proper thing to do but she didn't do that 1.00

00:18:48.640 she struck it entirely. So with this going this route, then I mean, it that way, the law hasn't

00:18:55.560 been stricken, though, just this case, so the process can still be used as a punishment for

00:19:00.080 future charges laid against people. And is that what I kind of gather out of this?

00:19:06.500 Yeah, I would agree that they just kick the can down the road to keep the lockdown power

00:19:11.980 available to the government, so that we can't challenge it. And this will be heard in the

00:19:17.220 Court of Appeal. When will it be disposed of? Perhaps by the end of the year, if we're lucky.

00:19:21.260 But we don't know. We don't even know right now exactly what we're going to do. But in terms of

00:19:27.240 grounds of appeal, as I said, there are plenty. They're all errors in law. It's nothing to do

00:19:33.520 with the evidence. You refuse to hear the evidence or mixed fact and law. It is error in law. It's

00:19:39.960 the standard review, so to speak. So, so in terms of moving

00:19:45.960 forward, yeah, the Court of Appeal is the only venue that

00:19:48.980 can overrule this, it wouldn't be in Superior Court. There's

00:19:52.380 there's a process for that, we can do it fairly quickly, but

00:19:56.160 it needs to be done very, you know, carefully, in view of

00:20:00.740 what's occurred, we have to we have to nail everything in

00:20:03.700 those 30 pages or less that the Court of Appeal has limits on

00:20:08.320 in this in this province. And, and we'll see what happens after

00:20:12.640 that. We, we just we have to move forward. We've already we've

00:20:16.940 always said that this no, regardless of what happens in

00:20:19.420 Superior Court, this will end up in the Court of Appeal, and

00:20:22.700 perhaps in the Supreme Court as well. We've always said that

00:20:25.780 right from the beginning. And also, we, they, I can just tell

00:20:30.560 you this right now, they switched the judges on us, which

00:20:33.160 is highly unusual. They there was Justice Kimmel, who heard

00:20:37.960 several proceedings in this matter,

00:20:40.960 and she ruled against Adam in the injunction.

00:20:43.680 So she was definitely seen as someone who,

00:20:46.580 if we wanted her,

00:20:47.400 but she'd already ruled against Adam.

00:20:48.880 So it's not like she would have somehow benefited us.

00:20:52.080 There was any type of judge shopping going there,

00:20:54.360 but we wanted her to hear the case.

00:20:55.800 And she heard a complex in July of 2020.

00:20:56.800 I've heard a complex in July of 2020. It was a complex charter case involving five experts on both sides. And it was a case that was in the pipeline for over three years called DiCienzo v. Ontario. It was, you know, a vision impairment case, so Section 15.

00:21:19.800 And Justice Kimmel ruled against the government on Section 15, saying it's not saved by Section 1.

00:21:28.720 So, well, what is our case about?

00:21:30.220 It's obviously not the same matter, but it's the same format.

00:21:34.080 Justice Kimmel would have been perfect for that.

00:21:35.920 Instead, all of a sudden she said, well, there's a scheduling conflict without an actual schedule.

00:21:41.800 There's no schedule.

00:21:42.980 She said, there's a scheduling conflict.

00:21:44.620 So I'm stepping aside and Justice Ackberale will be hearing this matter. So a letter was written to her after that saying, you're seized at a proceeding. Another judge, Justice Myers, stepped in and said, well, she's no longer assigned. So this letter made its way for me.

00:22:02.300 Then he scolded counsel saying it's judge shopping and that he cited commercial list practices procedure.

00:22:09.500 That's bankruptcy practice and procedure, as well as a commercial insolvency statute, a federal insolvency statute to say this is routine to switch the judges.

00:22:19.640 It's routine. There's no problem here.

00:22:22.900 Meanwhile, Akbrali has never heard a complex charter challenge.

00:22:27.560 Ninety five percent of the cases she's heard were family law cases.

00:22:30.860 so she was the other judge would have been more well equipped to hear such a challenge why they

00:22:37.760 kicked her and also apparently removed her from the civil team what why did they remove her from 0.57

00:22:43.620 the civil team um akbrali was moved to the co-head of the civil team she didn't do any civil cases a 0.97

00:22:50.140 couple of very softball very simple section 2b charter cases why did they move her to the head 0.86

00:22:57.860 of the civil civil team why their co-head why did they dismiss the other justice for what reason

00:23:04.540 never provided so you know is this is this a reasonable apprehension of bias case i don't know

00:23:10.540 i i would say the the main thing is serious errors in law these this is these are no-brainers you

00:23:16.440 cannot limit a constant notice of constitutional questions say sorry can't hear it it's superior

00:23:21.700 court. Never done in Canadian history, period. So, well, and Karen, with a piece you'd written

00:23:29.000 recently, I mean, I know that it's, I guess it's nice to have charges drop, but there were a lot

00:23:32.920 of things people wanted to see scrutinized in a legal setting. I mean, as you said, this case

00:23:38.100 could have led to the exposure and undercutting of most of Doug Ford's basis of lockdowns and

00:23:45.580 business restrictions. What isn't going to be heard now that this is not going to the courts?

00:23:50.640 So, Corey, just to make it clear, the charges were not dropped.

00:23:54.300 Oh, okay.

00:23:55.300 Right.

00:23:56.300 So, she prevented the constitutional challenge from being heard and, you know, at the same

00:24:04.420 time prevented the charges from being heard.

00:24:06.260 So, like, she can't just say, well, it's, I don't know what she is actually saying about

00:24:13.280 the charges.

00:24:14.280 Chris, maybe enlighten us on that.

00:24:16.800 But by saying she's not hearing the constitutional challenge, she has left the charges there.

00:24:21.140 But obviously this person has a right as a defendant to have his charges heard at some

00:24:27.120 point.

00:24:28.120 So I don't know what her plan is for that.

00:24:31.400 Sorry, Cory, I've lost track of what your question was.

00:24:37.900 I had actually looked at, when I saw who the judge was over the weekend, I had looked up

00:24:43.680 her background and i saw that she was appointed fairly recently i think it was 2015 or 2016

00:24:48.720 and um i did notice that the cases that she did were mostly family law and in particular i noticed

00:24:54.320 that she seemed to have a bias in favor of the government narrative on the issue of masks and

00:25:00.160 on the issue of vaccinations so the two cases that i looked at where there had been like a custody

00:25:05.360 battle between parents over whether their children had to mask or whether the children had to be

00:25:09.520 vaccinated she sided with the government in both cases so i was a little apprehensive this morning

00:25:14.480 that it was going to be this judge and now i guess my apprehensions have been justified

00:25:20.400 what was your question no that's okay so i was just yeah some of the things like masks and other

00:25:25.440 such uh items like i know that john carpe for example in alberta had been chomping at the bit

00:25:30.240 along with a number of other lawyers uh with some of the charges here and quite often again it would

00:25:34.560 get right to the break of going to court but what would happen with them is they'd toss it out so we

00:25:38.000 haven't just been able to air these constitutional challenges in a courtroom. They always seem to

00:25:43.520 find a way to avoid that sort of scrutiny. So, Chris, then I have not fully understanding. So

00:25:50.000 what does the next step look to be? You're talking more hearings then down the road then?

00:25:55.360 It would be a notice of appeal. As soon as we have the reasons for decision, we need to know

00:26:01.520 what's actually in there instead of her saying she just has no jurisdiction. We need to see

00:26:05.840 what type of case law is she citing? Is she relying on the government's citation of case law

00:26:10.820 regarding bringing an action? With respect to an action, there are all sorts of rules regarding

00:26:18.740 bringing actions, anything regarding damages. So the government said that because damages are on

00:26:25.860 the table, they didn't receive sufficient notice. Well, that's silly because these are charter

00:26:29.800 damages. Under Section 24, Subsection 1 of the Charter, damages may be sought as a remedy as

00:26:36.720 appropriate in judgment circumstances. This has been teased out in the cases that I mentioned

00:26:41.480 earlier. Vancouver v. Ward really swung the door wide open. And in 2013, in Herniac v. Malden,

00:26:48.360 a big, big case regarding access to justice. The point is you need access to justice. So that means

00:26:55.500 bringing a notice of constitutional question in accordance with the law. The only real limit being

00:27:01.940 notice itself. So as long as there's 15 days of notice or greater, and there's a sufficient

00:27:07.800 evidentiary record, the Supreme Court added that in 2017. Well, we have all of that. So for her to 0.64

00:27:13.800 say, sorry, can't hear the notice of constitutional question is absolutely silly. Well, we need some

00:27:20.340 sort of timely resolution for some of this uh stuff i mean the the pandemic uh clearly or at

00:27:26.540 least the the government actions based on it are not over we've got a number of people now it's the

00:27:31.980 variant and it's always something else and uh if we see a spike in cases somewhere we're going to

00:27:36.920 see some governments coming in and shutting people down from doing legal commerce again

00:27:40.880 uh we we can't afford to keep having this delayed i mean we've got to establish whether they have

00:27:45.820 the authority to do this or not? Yeah, Corey, I think this is where, you know, this is where the

00:27:51.500 media comes in and Western Standard has been doing a good job. But when I read the affidavits,

00:27:56.140 like there's, as I said, six expert witnesses in this case that have been, you know, come on and

00:28:02.040 sworn affidavits about all of these issues, about the effectiveness of lockdowns, about the harm

00:28:09.500 that lockdowns are causing. Some of them made reference to the variants. So if Western

00:28:15.760 Standard could just publish all of that stuff. I mean, that in itself, I think, would be useful

00:28:20.860 if you can just provide a platform where people can go and read this. I'll probably do some more

00:28:25.460 summarizing of the evidence. In that article that I wrote last week, I summarized some of the

00:28:31.780 evidence of one of the economists and one of the doctors, but, you know, there's a lot more in

00:28:37.200 there. It's weighty stuff and important stuff for the public to know, regardless of what the

00:28:43.820 judiciary thinks because if eventually we come to the point where the public just doesn't believe

00:28:47.940 anything the government says or anything that the judiciary says it'll be interesting times I don't

00:28:54.260 know what will happen but you know ultimately it's the public that has to be on side. Yeah well and

00:29:01.400 this is very important and as I showed earlier I was a little confused as to what's going on with

00:29:06.240 these hearings myself so the more I could read on it the better. We'll definitely get some of those

00:29:10.000 documents up and out there i mean this is an advantage of uh modern media in some senses i

00:29:14.880 mean we're not limited by uh print and paper and so on we can get documents up there for other

00:29:19.440 people to read and and come to their own conclusions on something as you said it's

00:29:22.960 complicated and and uh people really need to understand what's going on though i mean

00:29:27.040 this is this is all far from over in any province right now

00:29:33.680 unlike some of the rest of the world like florida where everything is open

00:29:36.640 Yeah, well, that's some of the evidence I was sort of hoping to be hearing out there. I mean,

00:29:43.440 other things you're talking about, the efficacy of masks or whether opening up does actually,

00:29:47.660 you know, cause people harm or not. I mean, we're seeing a lot of evidence. The

00:29:52.160 infection numbers and spread are no different in jurisdictions where they have heavy lockdowns and

00:29:59.960 restrictions versus ones that have opened up. But it seems that, you know, this debate's only

00:30:04.300 the media we haven't been able to do it in a courtroom or in a controlled setting where we

00:30:08.380 can actually uh lay this out there and it seems that the the judiciary is afraid of facing these

00:30:14.460 perhaps or on a charter basis is that sort of what's happening chris yes i would say um the

00:30:21.500 there is a a clear attempt by the courts to to simply not hear anything and this is in alberta

00:30:31.500 all these have been kicked saying well we don't want we don't have the evidence in bc they struck

00:30:36.060 the evidence manitoba they actually heard a narrow narrow challenge with respect to churches and pcr

00:30:43.020 tests um it was um dr batacharya from stanford and another infectious disease expert were brought in

00:30:49.820 there but the point is in the united states i mean i can give you examples there where things are

00:30:55.100 being heard in state courts but not in federal court there was one challenge exactly one heard

00:30:59.580 in pennsylvania and they won they they it was they didn't bring any experts but the the uh

00:31:06.540 medical experts for the uh for the state were shredded in cross-examination and um and then

00:31:13.020 september 14th it was a county butler at alvey wolf um the governor of pennsylvania they won and

00:31:21.340 very similar um things with respect to you know what we're arguing here so you know and analogous

00:31:28.860 to you know sections two and seven definitely seven um it's like they're the fifth and 14th

00:31:34.580 amendments there so so you know with respect to what has occurred across well you can look at the

00:31:41.920 whole world i guess but um australia says we can't hear anything because the the legislative

00:31:48.800 supremacy the uk same thing um in europe they they're steeped in administrative law and they

00:31:56.540 can't really override anything. I don't even want to talk about Asia or South America. So that

00:32:01.720 brings us to Canada and the United States. The United States has, you know, a very strong

00:32:07.760 constitution, Bill of Rights, and we have the charter here. Now, what they don't have in the

00:32:13.840 United States is charter damages. That's outside of the constitution. That's in the 1871 Civil

00:32:22.000 Rights Act. It's called Section 1983 under Title 42. We have Section 24 in Canada. So the whole

00:32:29.480 thing is that we have damages in the charter. We have the right to be heard. We have very,

00:32:36.140 very strong remedies. We have plenty of rights. But whether it's the United States or Canada,

00:32:40.600 in the U.S., they got on this stuff early. It was April of 2020 when the first challenges were

00:32:47.020 brought to court. And guess what? They still haven't been heard yet. There are challenges

00:32:52.220 in Michigan, very good ones. One is called Beamer v. Whitmer. The other one is Signature

00:32:59.180 Sotheby's et al. v. Whitmer, a bunch of, you know, retailers and businesses that challenged

00:33:05.360 the governor on lockdowns. They haven't been heard. And they're well over a year old, those

00:33:11.420 cases. The latter actually had the U.S. attorneys in Michigan intervene in that case, and they

00:33:21.120 requested a jury trial. They haven't been heard. The other cases, there are a bunch of other ones

00:33:26.520 in Ohio and California, New York. There's a bunch of them. They haven't been heard. But the Michigan

00:33:32.920 ones were brought the earliest because of the overreach by the governor there, and they haven't

00:33:38.740 been heard the ones in canada the only ones they seem to be allowed to be to be heard are the ones

00:33:43.360 with no evidence so whether it's the federal court challenge um where they didn't bring one expert

00:33:48.840 or the bc challenge where the expert evidence was struck because it wasn't brought that's the

00:33:53.460 bbc challenge um you know where the the chief justice ruled against the the church is there

00:34:00.420 or or it's the in alberta there's various challenges there some very good ones and they

00:34:06.500 were all you know dismissed or kicked because they didn't have evidence or the the government

00:34:12.700 said they didn't um they need more time to present evidence the point is they will not seem to allow

00:34:18.940 any challenge to be heard when when they have a good case when they actually have evidence when

00:34:23.280 they have proper pleadings and um and in this case we had everything we had proper notice we

00:34:29.500 have noticed constitutional question uh the government never had a problem with any of this

00:34:34.400 until they wrote their factum 10 days ago.

00:34:38.700 Then all of a sudden, they had a problem with it.

00:34:40.080 They could have brought a motion to strike.

00:34:41.980 They said, yeah, the court doesn't have the jurisdiction. 0.67

00:34:44.920 This wasn't brought in accordance with the rules of civil procedure.

00:34:47.560 They could have brought that motion to strike.

00:34:49.200 That's why they have motions to strike.

00:34:50.840 They're a dime a dozen that they didn't bring one.

00:34:54.860 So at the end of the day, how did we lose?

00:34:58.340 Well, we lost because the judge simply refused to hear Adam on unknown grounds.

00:35:04.020 she didn't she didn't she should have been able to cite some case law something to say sorry can't

00:35:08.980 hear it today she should have had something ready and apparently um from what was recounted to me

00:35:14.500 she didn't she didn't even really read the stuff beforehand she couldn't find the material

00:35:20.500 yeah i i didn't i that was recounted to me so that's all i can tell you yeah well and it's a

00:35:28.420 distressing development then because i mean there's there's a number of cases all across

00:35:32.420 the country coming down the pipe and if the government or the judiciary could keep using this

00:35:36.980 ability to keep them from getting heard we could see a lot of problems like in alberta we've got

00:35:43.060 ty northcott who held a rodeo and he's going to be charged we've got a number of pastors

00:35:47.140 who have been charged uh chris scott had charges against him he runs a restaurant and i believe

00:35:51.860 those charges have been dropped but they've charged him again since then like at what point

00:35:56.180 where are we going to get things in front of a judge this is quite disturbing

00:36:03.060 well yeah the administration of justice is being brought into disrepute that's what i would say

00:36:08.020 you need public confidence in the court system you may the courts are supposed to rise above

00:36:13.380 political controversy this is the supreme court in the united states supreme court here

00:36:18.020 has repeatedly held that that they must they must rise above political controversy

00:36:23.380 to strike to basically say they're not going to hear a proceeding in in superior court because

00:36:28.500 of lack of jurisdiction is it's just it's beyond the pale so uh you need public confidence in the

00:36:35.080 system you obviously the courts are not going to be able to they're not there to please people

00:36:40.360 they're there to look at the evidence in the law and make a proper determination that is it

00:36:45.600 they're not supposed to make a political call and they're not supposed to be saying things like well

00:36:49.520 we can't hear a notice of constitutional question it's it's it's beyond the pale as i said

00:36:56.400 yeah well i imagine you guys are going to be still watching and covering this closely

00:37:00.000 for some time yet uh karen um you said there are some uh affidavits and such that should

00:37:05.040 be shared where could we find those or where have you been putting them i mean i know we could put

00:37:08.560 them in more locations soon i'm not actually involved in the case i'm just writing about it

00:37:12.880 but chris has been the one to send them to me so um we'll make sure between the two of us that

00:37:17.760 that we supply western standard with this stuff so that it can be posted for everyone to read

00:37:22.320 it's important stuff yeah there are two links one one is on fearless canada and the other one is on

00:37:28.720 we are all essential their website so you'll be able to all the evidence is there all the expert

00:37:32.720 reports the factums are there from the government from from us our reply factum our notice of

00:37:38.640 constitutional question or at least the latest one is there not substantially different from the

00:37:43.280 original one so it's all there and anyone can read all of that and indeed everyone should read it

00:37:49.360 and know what are what rights of ours are at stake it's not that complicated to understand

00:37:54.320 and the same thing is with the evidence the actual 11 expert reports that we have six originals or

00:38:00.640 five replies the government has one we have over 200 references to peer review studies the government

00:38:06.000 has less than 10. this is a truly lopsided prima facie case so everyone should look at that and

00:38:11.840 circulate those expert reports everyone you know circulate it to your your you know your politician

00:38:17.600 whether it's local whether it's provincial whether it's it's it's uh federal um circulated amongst

00:38:23.760 police officers uh business owners executives doctors nurses lawyers parents everyone

00:38:32.080 circulate it that's the only way the truth will get out is if they see the evidence the

00:38:36.240 this this case is about the evidence at the end of the day to make it very clear that there is

00:38:41.680 no rational rationalization there is no justification for limiting our charter rights

00:38:47.280 whether it's on section one or any other grounds it simply doesn't exist when when the government

00:38:52.560 has to to to provide it the onus is on the government to to show that the measures are

00:38:59.040 are reasonable you know in reasonable limits in a free and democratic society that the onus is on

00:39:05.200 them and and they must they must show that they must prove it they must demonstrate that on the

00:39:11.600 balance of probabilities and they have not done so they have not even tried to do so it's completely

00:39:16.480 missing from their factum it's not it's not being argued well okay well thanks for watching and

00:39:23.120 covering all of that for us and is it still ongoing and karen's been writing about it so uh

00:39:27.360 maybe karen yeah if you could email me uh some of that and some of the those links uh and repeat

00:39:32.240 that again that was fearless canada and another spot and yeah we are all essential fearless canada

00:39:38.960 and we are all essential excellent okay well thanks for watching this and and uh yeah you

00:39:44.400 know explaining what's kind of going on and uh continuing to watch i mean we'll catch up for

00:39:48.880 an update and see how this unfolds i mean it's so important for us all across the country and

00:39:53.280 unfortunately it's it's a little dry for non-legalese type folks but it's so critically

00:39:58.080 important to understand what's happening because it it really does impact all of us so uh thank you

00:40:03.760 very much for joining me today guys to you know lay that out and explain it and i'll definitely

00:40:07.760 uh get on getting some more links out there and looking forward to more stories from you there

00:40:11.040 karen okay bye-bye all right thank you very much thanks thanks i'll talk to you later

00:40:21.360 okay so yeah i got clarity on that because i you know this was breaking this morning

00:40:26.560 uh i took the interpretation to mean the charge has been dropped and unfortunately i got it

00:40:29.520 backwards it was his uh his challenge that got uh set aside which was bad news uh and it it's

00:40:36.400 just showing again though over and over and over again that the the state is afraid of seeing

00:40:42.240 evidentiary uh you know process and seeing it brought out in a controlled environment if the

00:40:47.280 case is that strong to restrict individual freedoms to restrict commerce and do the things we have

00:40:53.040 and then they shouldn't have such a reticence when it comes to having it brought before a judge

00:40:59.520 and the public to examine it. I mean, if that case is strong and the restrictions are worth it,

00:41:05.040 they should say, this is the platform we want to do it in. Let's get it to the courts. We'll explain

00:41:09.540 why we feel we should be able to shut people down from doing business in a restaurant

00:41:13.820 or a hairdresser, all of the other areas we've restricted over this last year.

00:41:18.200 and it's not over. It's not even close to over. We do have a very strong zero risk contingent

00:41:24.220 to people, I guess you could say, who just feel that we just got to keep these restrictions going

00:41:28.900 until somehow this virus just disappears altogether from the face of the planet.

00:41:34.220 Point to Australia as a good example all the time. Well, I don't know about that. I mean,

00:41:38.380 Australia is 16 months into this. They've been living practically imprisoned on their island

00:41:42.060 and they've kept it contained to a degree, but they lock down every time there's a little bit

00:41:47.280 infection so there's been another one i think they have what a hundred people in new south wales

00:41:52.480 who are infected so they've locked down five million people to try and stamp that out how

00:41:57.520 many times can you cycle through that uh we're a year and a half in i mean we've learned some

00:42:03.200 things this this uh pandemic isn't brand new to us anymore we still got a lot to learn obviously

00:42:10.240 and a lot to cover but you know now it's time to start looking back and getting through these

00:42:15.040 things and get these things through the courts let people put their defenses

00:42:19.720 forward and in the case of Skelly and as I said with others we're seeing these

00:42:23.820 getting tossed out of court all the time before they actually got managed to get

00:42:29.200 to the floor we start to wonder if they're just afraid of actually facing

00:42:32.680 it and that's not the way justice system is supposed to work so I'm gonna pick

00:42:36.200 it here as we go on into the week and I see Zane go back in the lobby there I'll

00:42:42.040 pull him in quite quickly he's a mayoral candidate running in Calgary here he's

00:42:47.160 been putting out it looks to be a good common sense campaign I know it's a long

00:42:50.700 ways to this civic election I've had a number of mayoral candidates on and a

00:42:53.800 few council candidates but we've got so many coming and we've got those rare

00:42:58.780 opportunities no matter what happens we're gonna have a new mayor in Calgary

00:43:01.960 this fall we're gonna have five new councillors this fall at the least that 0.79

00:43:08.360 It does mean, yeah, Patricia, it sounds like I'm on gravelly helium.

00:43:12.260 Yes, apparently Telus is really cutting back on the internet service here in Calgary today.

00:43:17.700 Hopefully Zane's coming in more clearly than I am, and hopefully my internet service improves here.

00:43:22.260 Yeah, I know the audio's bad.

00:43:23.640 Thank you for bringing it up.

00:43:25.420 Hopefully the internet improves quickly.

00:43:28.120 It's Telus just giving me pains here.

00:43:32.140 So rather than dragging this out, I'm going to bring Zane in,

00:43:34.840 and hopefully he's got some stronger service and signals.

00:43:38.020 So here we go. Zane Novak from Zane for Mayor. There I see. Welcome to the show, Zane. Thanks

00:43:43.900 for joining me today. Thank you very much for the invite, Corey. Are you able to hear me okay?

00:43:49.200 I'm hearing you fine. So I'm hoping you've got a little more stable connection going on. So by

00:43:54.480 all means, just carry on speaking if things seem to break up a little out of me. Take it on the fly.

00:44:00.920 Sure. As I was saying in the intro, it seems like a long ways till the municipal election,

00:44:05.080 but we just have so many candidates and it's so important to cover. And I'll get back to some of

00:44:09.540 the leading ones. I had another look this morning online, and I see we've got 19 registered mayoral

00:44:16.200 candidates at this time. I imagine there's probably going to be a few more before the time

00:44:21.180 gets there. Maybe a few will drop off as they don't feel like carrying on with whatever they

00:44:24.920 were up to. So to begin with, what's going to make you stand out of that large pack of contenders,

00:44:30.280 Well, I think a couple of things play for me quite well. Number one, I believe that of the

00:44:36.960 contenders, I'm the only one that brings a real balance between business and being involved in

00:44:43.360 the community on a social service kind of basis. My background is business. It's been business since

00:44:48.440 I was 14 years old and started working in road construction right through to now being in

00:44:54.280 Calgary for almost 20 years, 18, 19 years. And I've been very involved in the nonprofit sector

00:44:59.940 of calgary i've put in about 20 000 plus volunteer hours into the city everything from boots on the

00:45:06.660 ground serving meals to sitting on board positions uh my last one was eight years on the board of

00:45:12.020 the kirby and five years as president of the board so that kind of gives me a balance between you know

00:45:18.100 the the business side of things and then the social services at-risk community side of things

00:45:24.500 and how those two work together and i think that that's a crucial uh piece in understanding how to

00:45:30.740 run a municipal city one of the crucial pieces yeah well and there's a lot we'll get into a

00:45:36.660 number of them since it was some um i guess you could say at-risk citizens uh that's a big issue

00:45:41.700 not so much perhaps you know things like the kirby and that but i'll go into that i mean something

00:45:46.500 that people are very distressed about we're seeing a lot more is uh issues on the streets i mean

00:45:51.460 addiction is a real crisis right now, homelessness, people aren't feeling safe downtown.

00:45:58.780 Where could we go as a municipality to try and address some of these issues? Because you get

00:46:02.840 some jurisdictional challenges going on, some pushing back and forth between the province and

00:46:06.780 the city on it. But the problem is all of ours right now. Absolutely. It's everyone's. I live,

00:46:12.140 I have a townhouse, literally a block from the Sheldon Schumer safe injection site. So I witness

00:46:19.560 it on a daily basis my back alley now my unit faces the back alley and that's where the big

00:46:25.560 dumpsters are for other multi-unit facilities and that is the place where you know so many people

00:46:33.160 tend to hang out i find needles on my front lawn every day you know ambulances fire department

00:46:40.600 police here on an almost daily basis dealing with the triage of this addiction is a huge issue in

00:46:47.720 calgary it's a huge issue in alberta i think it's a huge issue in canada but i see it every day

00:46:52.520 uh firsthand so i'm not at all saying and denying it exists in fact i know it exists i just feel

00:46:59.080 that the systems we currently have in place are lacking structure to help individuals get out of

00:47:05.000 that cycle i see as i walk by that to access the downtown area where most of my business

00:47:10.920 relationships are I walk by those same individuals day after day after day after day in the same

00:47:18.740 cycle doing the same things the same EMS the same police the same fire responding you know the same

00:47:25.340 needles on different needs on the street same locations and it just seems like a perpetual

00:47:29.940 cycle where we're not breaking the cycle we're not getting the help we're not getting the structure

00:47:34.280 and we're not getting the outcomes we need it almost feels to me like we've created a system

00:47:39.040 of enabling when we should be creating a system of helping people get out of the system.

00:47:43.980 How can we move forward when those people get kicked right back into the same cycle?

00:47:50.940 We've got to create a system and I've researched some other places.

00:47:55.640 Not all of them, some of them are social enterprises.

00:47:58.800 Some of them get private equity involved, private people involved.

00:48:01.780 I think sometimes the government isn't always the best disperser of services.

00:48:06.160 They sometimes can be, you know, not appreciative of the cash that comes to them because it's not theirs.

00:48:13.720 So, for instance, in New York, you know, years ago, there was a thing called, you know, the Doe Fund set up.

00:48:19.660 And that really has done a lot to help with homelessness in that city to help give them dignity, structure, purpose, a career.

00:48:27.580 You know, in 25 years, they graduated 22,000 people out of there, paid out almost 750 million in wages to those individuals and saved the city of New York.

00:48:36.160 over three billion in uh social service costs it isn't like we have to reinvent the wheel in

00:48:41.440 calgary i think that we need to really start examining other programs and others programs in

00:48:46.000 houston uh through the police services there that really work well with a lot of these homeless

00:48:51.840 individuals to give them the opportunity to have a structure to try to get out of the cycle if we're

00:48:58.960 not doing that then what's the point we're just perpetuating it yeah well we've had a bit of a

00:49:03.760 political push and pull kind of going on with that. And I'm going to tie that into a couple of

00:49:07.680 issues with jurisdictions. And as some others are pointing out, Pat saying, waiting times for rehab

00:49:12.640 are too long, not enough facilities. And Shelley saying that's what the provincial government's

00:49:17.680 implementing. And it seems that a couple of political forces have dug their heels in.

00:49:22.480 Some are stuck on harm mitigation and some are stuck on treatment. And in reality, I think we

00:49:27.520 kind of need both. I mean, if we don't do harm mitigation, they won't survive long enough to

00:49:30.880 get to treatment and if we don't treat them then the cycle just goes on forever but uh so going

00:49:37.120 further you know with some of the unfortunately the relationship between the the mayoral office

00:49:41.200 and the premier's office right now is not very good uh so i'd like you know just to kind of tie

00:49:46.800 that into it what sort of uh ways would you work as a mayor to keep that relate because you have to

00:49:52.560 have a good relationship everything's so interspersed with each other i think that that you

00:49:56.720 I was just going to bring that up. You hit the nail on the head, Corey. We right now have a very

00:50:01.520 confrontational relationship between the mayor's office and the province.

00:50:05.440 And that means that we as Calgarians pay the price. And we've seen this evidenced in numerous

00:50:10.720 things. This is only one, you know, we've saw it a year and a half ago when we were supposed to,

00:50:16.800 and this would have happened before COVID, when we were supposed to have the X Games here.

00:50:20.240 And then, you know, there was conflict between the mayor and the premier and they pulled out

00:50:23.600 funding so we lost in you know january of last year that 250 million that could have come into

00:50:29.680 our city by way of the x games well how much would that helped our city you know get through

00:50:36.240 the lockdown so what first has to happen is we have to have a working relationship park our egos at

00:50:43.040 the door and work collaboratively with our stakeholders and one of the biggest stakeholders

00:50:46.720 in calgary is the provincial government so that's where we have to start and we have to work together

00:50:52.400 to figure out the programs that are going to be successful in helping with homelessness helping

00:50:59.040 with drug addiction because it's a shared responsibility and i have just seen this so

00:51:03.760 many times where each just blames the other and their outcomes are zero in fact it applies to

00:51:09.680 more than just the relationship of calgary with the province it replies it really applies to the

00:51:15.600 relationship of calgary with calgary cory when was the last time this city really got a win in the

00:51:21.040 column. I mean, we've kicked the green line down the road for a decade. We've kicked the arena

00:51:26.960 deal down the road for a decade. You know, we tried to do an approach on the 2026 Olympics,

00:51:33.120 but nobody really understood what we were being offered, what we might end up paying.

00:51:37.280 So we continue to just go through life as Calgarians led by a group that can't agree 1.00

00:51:42.800 with themselves as to what direction to take. And what we're seeing with homelessness and

00:51:47.120 addiction is just one of those it's an evidence of leadership in city hall that can't get along

00:51:52.800 with themselves let alone get along with others to make outcomes happen and that has to start in

00:51:57.360 city hall it has to start with strong leader dynamic leadership in city hall it has to start

00:52:01.620 with a group of councillors and a mayor who can figure out how to work together so we as calgarians

00:52:07.100 start to get some wins in the column because we desperately need them yeah well i'm glad you

00:52:11.680 mentioned that because another issue we've had i mean as a mayor you're one of 15 people in that

00:52:16.600 council, though a primary one, it sets the tone. It, you know, is the chair of the meetings

00:52:22.220 typically. And we've had, again, a very, well, I mean, as a number of pundits have pointed out

00:52:27.940 over the years, we've covered city hall for decades. This is one of the most adversarial

00:52:31.600 hornet's nests of a city council, a mayor we've had in living memory. And it does make it difficult

00:52:36.900 to get things done. Like the Olympic plebiscite, for example, I don't think people voted against

00:52:41.540 the Olympics so much. It's just they didn't trust the way council was putting it forward. And they

00:52:45.020 just couldn't accept such a big budget item. And yes, as you said, these mega projects,

00:52:49.000 if we're looking at an event center or the green line, people don't feel sure if we want to entrust

00:52:54.760 the city with more money at this time, if they can't seem to get their stuff together in the

00:52:58.000 council chambers. Exactly. And so one of the things that I want to bring into City Hall,

00:53:03.520 I want to try to introduce biannual reviews of all major projects, whether they're ongoing expenses

00:53:09.480 or capital expenditures expenses such as a green line or you know the bmo center the new conference

00:53:15.880 center and this isn't a fully audited one by kpng or an mmp because we know what that costs i mean

00:53:22.120 they reviewed the expenses of uh one uh counselor here a few months back he had 5600 in expenses

00:53:30.280 and i think we spent 64 000 doing that audit so that's not what i'm talking i'm just talking about

00:53:36.520 standing up in front of city council in front of calgarians going hey here's your budget here's

00:53:40.200 your timeline where are you are you on time are you on budget and if not why not and how are you

00:53:45.480 going to get back all we seem to hear is calgarians oh this project has gone six months a year over

00:53:51.880 time and another 10 or 20 million or 100 million over budget you've got to cough up more and it

00:53:57.640 seems to me that the reaction from city hall consistently is well we need more taxes because

00:54:02.360 we got to pay for things it's always you know pay more get less and as soon as we threaten to push

00:54:07.880 back on taxes they come at us with oh well then that means we're going to cut servicing to the

00:54:12.280 fire department and cps i mean that's a really easy stick to beat people up with because what

00:54:17.800 do you want to do you want to feel safe and secure as a citizen of this city and this goes back to

00:54:23.240 your earlier question of i mean i've had numerous vehicles stolen in the city i've had numerous

00:54:28.040 vehicles broken into in this city in the last few months i've had uh well in the last few years

00:54:33.320 vehicles stolen i've had vehicles broken into on almost a monthly basis in this city

00:54:41.320 and then we realize when you start peeling that onion back some of the things that we're lacking

00:54:47.640 and we don't realize as calgarians number one everybody knows we don't get seemed we don't

00:54:52.840 seem to get snow removal anymore we went like six weeks without snow removal my daughter lives in

00:54:58.520 bank view on bus route number six it was at least six or seven days the bus didn't even run i mean

00:55:04.120 how because they won't put winter tires on them and they won't plow the streets so how are we

00:55:09.000 servicing our citizens and this goes back even like the fire department you know you talk to

00:55:14.360 the fire department you realize that you know there's a fire uh code it's kind of a code it's

00:55:19.960 it's not implemented, but it's a recommendation

00:55:21.500 by the National Fire Protection Association,

00:55:23.720 NFPA 1710, which recommends in a square kilometer,

00:55:29.300 based on density of population,

00:55:31.420 how many fire trucks should be there,

00:55:33.100 how many rescue trucks, how many ladder trucks,

00:55:34.800 and how many staff should be on them.

00:55:36.560 Well, Calgary typically runs at 50% staffing levels.

00:55:41.120 Lots of times there'll be a fire

00:55:42.460 and they can't hook up the hose

00:55:43.580 till the second truck arrives,

00:55:44.800 so they have an extra person to come out

00:55:46.600 to hook up the hose for the first truck

00:55:48.040 to start fighting the fire.

00:55:49.540 But yet Edmonton, who actually, if you do the math,

00:55:52.160 and you divide it out, their costs per citizen

00:55:55.540 are 20% less than Calgary.

00:55:58.140 Now they're a city of 973,000.

00:56:01.900 We're a city of about 1.5 million.

00:56:04.320 So normally in business,

00:56:05.420 you would think scale of economics would work.

00:56:08.200 And that's why big companies merge with big companies

00:56:10.580 so that the cost per unit goes down.

00:56:12.580 Well, obviously it doesn't work in Calgary

00:56:13.920 because even though we're half again larger than Edmonton,

00:56:17.280 we pay 20% more per citizen.

00:56:21.880 But yet Edmonton has figured out a way,

00:56:23.480 A, to plow its streets,

00:56:24.520 and B, how to be fully compliant with NFPA 1710

00:56:27.580 and have fully staffed fire halls.

00:56:32.060 I mean, these are some of the questions we have to ask.

00:56:34.340 And I mean, I'm running against three individuals

00:56:36.200 who've been voting on all of these things

00:56:38.000 and been in City Hall.

00:56:40.280 And now they're going to segue from being a councillor

00:56:44.580 to being the leader of this city,

00:56:45.900 but yet they're the ones that have implemented these budgets where we're all hurting and we're

00:56:49.980 actually not being serviced. I mean, we have eight precincts for CPS and standard staffing

00:56:57.240 to recommended levels is 75%. That's standard. That's what's recommended. That's what we're

00:57:02.840 getting compared to what's recommended. And that doesn't take into account things such as

00:57:07.380 holidays, training, sick leave. So I think we need to address all of these things and figure out

00:57:13.900 where the money's really going in comparison to where it should be going.

00:57:18.340 And that comes back to the homeless thing and drug addiction and all of those

00:57:21.960 things that need to be dealt with.

00:57:24.400 Well, and coming into a lot of those issues, we hear about them quite often,

00:57:27.760 but as soon as city council wants to address it,

00:57:29.740 they often retreat in and go into in-camera there and we don't hear about it.

00:57:34.740 And I think that's a lot of the area where we're having a lot of difficulty with

00:57:37.180 the public trusting city council or trusting their efforts on things as a

00:57:41.160 mayor how could you address perhaps having a little more i mean everybody always talks about

00:57:45.000 transparency and then they get in and calgary's got i i think record-breaking numbers of in

00:57:49.560 in-camera meetings going on it really shouldn't be that many uh where where could you go with

00:57:54.040 that because the mayor does uh control a good deal of the amount of time it goes in camera

00:57:58.440 well i think a lot of work has to be done in each of our individual offices

00:58:03.000 i think that when emotions coming together you know if you believe in emotion you should be

00:58:07.960 talking to your peers about why that motion should pass.

00:58:11.260 It doesn't always have to be in camera,

00:58:12.840 it just really comes to good communication on a team.

00:58:16.460 You know yourself in investing in a company.

00:58:19.160 If you have read the reports and you see that the C-suite,

00:58:22.940 you know, the CEO, the CFO, the COO,

00:58:25.180 and all of that group are infighting continually

00:58:27.560 and do not have a good working relationship or a dialogue,

00:58:31.180 or if the board is in the middle of a hostile takeover

00:58:35.480 or all that kind of stuff,

00:58:36.880 You're not going to invest in that company.

00:58:38.780 Well, that's really what Calgary has been for a long time.

00:58:41.420 We have a leadership group that is never working collaboratively together.

00:58:46.380 And I think that, you know, you could probably, I mean, I've worked on lots of different boards.

00:58:49.920 And I've worked on boards that are very stressed.

00:58:52.260 And there's different agendas.

00:58:53.500 And there's different egos.

00:58:54.780 And those organizations pay the price for the way that board acts.

00:58:59.000 Calgary is no different.

00:59:00.020 Then I've been on boards where you get a team.

00:59:02.560 You see the common goal.

00:59:04.040 Yeah, you have, you bring different strengths.

00:59:05.600 You bring different perspectives.

00:59:06.620 that's good because you need that dialogue and you need to be challenged to make sure that you're

00:59:10.620 going on the right track but you work together to get the right outcomes and then you can see

00:59:15.820 those organizations that are underneath that board they just flourish and they grow so city hall is

00:59:21.340 no different i i'm really hoping at this election that all calgarians take the time you know they

00:59:28.940 always say get out and vote get out and vote get out or get out to vote get out to vote get out to

00:59:33.100 to vote. I always say get informed, go vote. A vote is a powerful thing and if you're not informed

00:59:41.060 and not properly researched, the vote you cast is like firing an errant gun. It can create

00:59:47.660 terrible damage. A vote is a powerful thing and you need to be informed before you vote.

00:59:53.060 We're having probably nine new positions on city council between the mayor's office and

00:59:58.980 new councillors coming in I really hope the Calgarians get engaged do their research find

01:00:05.000 out those who are willing to take a stand and make a difference so that exactly what you said

01:00:09.320 Corey we can get some transparency we can get some harmony in City Hall and we can start to

01:00:14.660 move these projects forward or kill them if that's what need be but done on information and not

01:00:20.660 emotion and ego I think that that is so crucial that we get a team in City Hall that can work

01:00:25.880 together not with a four-year plan but with a 30-year plan. I only intend on running two terms

01:00:32.080 that's it because I do not believe that career politicians are beneficial for their constituencies

01:00:38.560 and their constituents. I think that it shouldn't be a career it should be a job with a specific

01:00:44.100 purpose to get enacted. I want to be in for the first term to really understand the situation

01:00:48.960 and the system and my second term I'm not running for re-election I'm running to get the things done

01:00:53.820 that I stood at the very first day of this campaign to do so if we have a good unified

01:01:01.700 group in city hall I think we can do it I think we can we have to do it if we don't do it this

01:01:06.560 city's in big trouble I mean they talk about 30 vacancy rate downtown but I'm downtown every day

01:01:11.000 and you talk to the people that are in those offices there's less than 30 of those seats

01:01:14.760 filled 70 of the office space is vacant because a lot of companies have signed 30-year leases on

01:01:20.620 on those properties when the market was hot,

01:01:22.580 but they've laid off 60% of their staff.

01:01:25.080 We have a downtown core with about 35% occupancy

01:01:30.300 on a good day during the week,

01:01:32.020 and probably about a 10% occupancy on the weekend.

01:01:35.520 We don't take the steps to turn this train around.

01:01:39.900 We're in a dire situation.

01:01:43.100 Oh, absolutely.

01:01:43.940 And not enough people understand that

01:01:45.620 because if you don't go downtown, you don't see it.

01:01:47.720 Like I go down to the Western Standard offices

01:01:50.080 regularly downtown. And it's ghostly. I mean, I don't have to worry about social distancing.

01:01:54.480 I've never had to share an elevator with somebody in that building. I don't know how empty the

01:01:59.200 building is. As you said, it's probably more like 30% of capacity. This is a disaster and people

01:02:03.540 don't, I think a lot of people don't quite realize it's there. Getting a little higher level though

01:02:08.020 and I like the concept of that. Yeah, no career politicians, two terms perhaps. That means you're

01:02:14.280 going to have a high level vision though. You've got some things in mind and that's part of what

01:02:17.380 I want to tie into this there's a lot of dispute there's there's differing visions we've had the

01:02:21.220 guidebook for communities uh you know it's a lot to pack into one but I mean where could you see

01:02:26.400 the downtown going as it evolves because we're in a big changing turning point right now and what

01:02:31.020 about the inner city areas where the infills and developments are going or the the suburbs where

01:02:35.700 again a lot of population is moving but that's putting pressures on infrastructure maintenance

01:02:40.000 and such so in the whole development scheme of things I guess what's more your high level vision

01:02:44.860 on that well it's really a multi-faceted thing for instance our downtown space we have the most

01:02:50.780 connected downtown in the world and we need to make sure that the cost of entry for businesses

01:02:55.580 into that is low so i really worry about the new program they have coming out spend 200 million

01:03:01.020 dollars initially and a billion in total who's going to pay for that that will have to be

01:03:05.260 transferred on to those who take up those spaces and we all know when i meet with tons of businesses

01:03:11.500 downtown we know even if oil is a hundred dollars a barrel we're never going to go back to the

01:03:15.100 staffing levels that it was you know five years ago eight years ago 15 years ago these companies

01:03:21.660 have learned how to stay alive when a year ago we were in negative numbers on oil and gas

01:03:27.500 they're never going to go back to the free will spending that they had so we're never going to

01:03:30.940 fill those spaces so to fill those spaces we need to appeal to you know the small business startups

01:03:36.140 the entrepreneurial individuals and for all of them to get going it's cost of entry it's about

01:03:43.180 cheap cheap cheap to get established and get going because they're you know working on a

01:03:46.700 dream and a shoestring budget so we start putting 200 million dollars then a billion dollars into

01:03:51.580 the downtown who's paying for that i think we're just actually we you know if it made fiscal sense

01:03:58.940 to take some of these old businesses and towers downtown and put them into a low income and low

01:04:05.340 cost housing i think the private sector we've already jumped on that i think the only reason

01:04:09.860 they're doing it or will do it now is because there'll be government money and they'll get

01:04:13.380 their 100 million dollars to convert a building and they've made their money up front and i worry

01:04:18.120 that you know by turning these buildings downtown into uh low-income housing then how do we attract

01:04:27.440 dynamic businesses to take office space in the building next to a low-income housing unit and

01:04:33.880 their employees walk past that clientele every day like we're competing with

01:04:38.860 Vancouver, we're competing with Toronto, we're competing with San Francisco, we're competing with

01:04:42.100 Austin, Houston, we're competing with all these markets and your employees come

01:04:46.060 here and they go okay well you know Vancouver I got the ocean, Toronto I got

01:04:49.500 you know mega city, Calgary what do we have? Oh you're gonna put me in an

01:04:53.140 office building next to the low-income housing. That may not be the way to go.

01:04:57.400 I think that we need to first of all carry the narrative for this city to

01:05:03.820 rest of Alberta and Canada and the world that we really are an entrepreneurial city.

01:05:09.660 We have the highest percentage of post-secondary graduates of any urban place in Canada.

01:05:15.100 Over 90% of all businesses in Calgary are small businesses.

01:05:22.380 We go and we spend millions and millions of dollars chasing these unicorns like Amazon

01:05:27.740 or Google to get 1,000 jobs, 700 jobs, which is great.

01:05:31.940 But in truth, we have so many dynamic businesses in this city, I've toured a few of them.

01:05:36.700 I was at a place called AirSniper, they have this unbelievable ultraviolet system to kill

01:05:43.660 all bacteria in the air.

01:05:45.700 You know, I met with another gentleman, he meets this ECMO, which takes your blood basically

01:05:50.740 if you've died, they put a port in, takes your blood out, it bypasses your heart, lungs,

01:05:56.280 takes the CO2 out, re-oxidates it, and actually brings people back to life after drowning.

01:06:00.700 We have all these businesses here,

01:06:03.160 but we get no municipal support.

01:06:04.940 We get no provincial support.

01:06:06.620 The individual with the ECMO,

01:06:07.720 he actually had to go to China to get it built

01:06:09.640 and to get it funded.

01:06:11.780 Stuart Henley with Air Sniper.

01:06:15.060 You know, he's selling those units, not to AHS,

01:06:17.860 not to anybody in Alberta.

01:06:19.280 No, he can't fill enough orders going to Ontario

01:06:22.580 to fill those schools with these Air Sniper units 0.76

01:06:25.040 to clean the bacteria out of the air.

01:06:26.800 Why are we not showcasing these businesses?

01:06:28.900 Why are we not supporting these businesses?

01:06:31.460 I mean, I think that our solution to a lot

01:06:34.520 of filling these spaces is right under our nose.

01:06:36.660 Let's start supporting the small businesses.

01:06:39.460 We need to look at agricultural technologies.

01:06:44.000 I mean, agriculture is our second largest resource

01:06:45.940 in this province.

01:06:46.940 We need to look at clean energy.

01:06:48.860 Our oil and gas industry for all its flaws

01:06:52.500 is still what funds most of this country.

01:06:56.540 And we have created most

01:06:57.620 of the leading edge technology in the world.

01:07:00.120 I defy you to go to any major hydrocarbon play in the world

01:07:03.220 and not find Alberta technology there,

01:07:04.860 but we never talked about it.

01:07:06.120 We don't showcase it.

01:07:07.640 You know, we need to start showcasing these things

01:07:09.480 along with solar and wind and all the alternatives,

01:07:11.840 but we need to start showing the world what we actually do

01:07:14.380 and we do it well.

01:07:15.620 And I think Calgary can be the hub

01:07:17.100 for that developmental industry.

01:07:19.440 I think there's things even in the cannabis

01:07:21.060 and CDB oil industry that we're totally missing the bus on.

01:07:24.640 And that's ridiculous.

01:07:25.680 Alberta took the lead in putting retail

01:07:29.120 into the cannabis industry.

01:07:30.880 Canada is the first country really from ocean to ocean

01:07:34.440 where it's legalized and the US soon will be,

01:07:37.080 I believe there's 33 states it's already legal

01:07:39.380 and 50 the oil is legal.

01:07:41.560 We should be showcasing how to commercialize

01:07:44.100 and monetize that and export that technology to the US.

01:07:48.120 We're missing the boat.

01:07:49.100 Winnipeg's ahead of us on that.

01:07:50.460 How is that possible?

01:07:52.960 No, and it's good to hear that and it's refreshing

01:07:55.080 Because there's been an attitude and it's driven a lot of Calgarian business owners

01:07:59.560 mad for some time.

01:08:00.580 And we've seen some insane small business tax increases, literally 300, 400% tax increases

01:08:06.580 that small business owners actually had to rally outside of City Hall a couple of years

01:08:10.420 ago to give them a reality check.

01:08:12.720 That money was being given to Calgary Economic Development, who was taking that money to

01:08:17.040 try and draw in outside businesses through subsidies.

01:08:19.920 So they're getting taxed to try and draw in competitors.

01:08:23.140 and you know we've got so much talent that we could foster domestically but our city hall

01:08:28.540 really doesn't seem to appreciate the people we've already got here and they're too busy with

01:08:32.560 pie in the sky projects overseas that they feel that they can pull in here so I like hearing from

01:08:37.160 somebody realizing that yeah we have a lot here and with that space we can have opportunity and

01:08:42.240 if we could lower the parking prices downtown below those in Manhattan that might help drop

01:08:45.980 people down there a little bit as well exactly like who's going to come downtown for a $20 meal

01:08:52.240 when you got $40 in parking I mean it's ludicrous we have to start doing things

01:08:57.520 that create lower boundaries of entry into the business and into the

01:09:01.600 marketplace and by spending $200 million revitalizing by spending millions of

01:09:07.240 dollars and thousands and thousands of person hours trying to attract the Amazon

01:09:12.100 the Google's and we know you know yeah if we give them everything for free they

01:09:15.620 will eventually come here but as soon as we stop giving everything free they're

01:09:19.240 gonna go back to market and they're gonna relocate to Winnipeg or Toronto

01:09:22.220 or wherever that at the same time i really think the solution is right in front of us i also have

01:09:27.580 another thing called the participatory budgeting program that i want to roll out to help support

01:09:31.820 geographic and demographic communities i think that you know we have so many strong uh ethnic

01:09:38.700 communities here yesterday i was at prairie winds park and there was a dedication to where they're

01:09:43.740 going to erect a statue for a filipino hero from back in the 1800s jose rizal and i mean that

01:09:51.340 community is so strong and so dynamic there's 80 to 100 000 filipinos here and they've worked for

01:09:57.340 how many years years to just try to get a statue put up they don't have a community hall they have

01:10:02.700 nothing that they can claim as their own why are we not working with these communities through

01:10:07.740 social enterprise so they create their own vision yeah we give them the seed money but then it's a

01:10:13.340 social enterprise so it isn't continual uh sinkhole of cash where they do their parades they do their

01:10:19.420 festivals they have their community halls and they share that it's done in a way that they share that

01:10:23.900 with other communities so it doesn't create a silo of isolation for this community of that community

01:10:29.100 but it's a shared uh understanding of cultures i think that you know we talk so much about systemic

01:10:34.780 racism which is an issue but i think one of the best ways instead of you know when something

01:10:38.460 happens there's a hate crime that happens we've had them here you know everybody gets the microphone

01:10:42.060 they scream and they yell for five minutes and then next week they're on to another topic why

01:10:47.180 Why are we not taking a position of longer solutions?

01:10:50.280 And I think things like participatory budgeting

01:10:52.380 where we can help them,

01:10:53.800 whether it's a festival in there for their community,

01:10:56.440 whether it's utilization of the Stampede grounds,

01:10:59.180 which sees Stampede in a normal year for two weeks,

01:11:03.640 but then could be utilized for other festivals,

01:11:05.900 other events for the other 350 days of the year,

01:11:09.080 showcasing those communities there,

01:11:11.120 maybe even working with CBE,

01:11:12.940 I understand it's in their president's goal

01:11:15.280 to work along with this,

01:11:16.660 we start showcasing these different cultures through our school their dress their food their

01:11:22.820 dance their history all of these cultural things i really think if you want to you know minimize

01:11:31.140 racism that that comes when you're walking down the street and you view someone as a neighbor

01:11:35.780 and not a foreigner so we have to take long-term goals to make that happen and not just stand in

01:11:42.180 the soapbox and scream at everybody else or open up city hall council meeting with a half an hour

01:11:48.020 lecture to everybody which is good it's needed but we need to have longer goals and longer plans we

01:11:53.380 have to have a structure in place just like with our homelessness you can't i don't believe the

01:11:58.100 success to solving homelessness is giving out a kit with needles and naloxone and all of that

01:12:04.740 it's about creating a program where they can get themselves out of that situation into a better

01:12:08.420 situation and i think with racism with our filling our downtown these are long-term goals and

01:12:14.500 commitments and so many of the solutions i believe are right under our nose let's start working with

01:12:19.860 what we have here we have visionary people you know corey for many years we had that saying in

01:12:25.060 alberta the alberta advantage but i think what created the alberta advantage was the alberta

01:12:29.620 solution we are a city and a province of resourceful people i mean how many times you know guys let's

01:12:36.820 Let's say, for instance, out on a rig, it's 35 below,

01:12:39.320 you got a tool stuck in a $4 million drill,

01:12:43.140 in a hole that costs $4 million drill,

01:12:44.840 are you gonna ban it, are you gonna figure out

01:12:46.120 how to solve it?

01:12:46.960 We solved it.

01:12:47.900 And those things became our Alberta advantage.

01:12:50.440 And we've gotten away from that.

01:12:52.440 We need to get back to that.

01:12:54.020 I think that we have the visionary people in this city

01:12:56.980 to lead that charge, not just me,

01:12:58.720 but people I work with, people I associate with,

01:13:01.140 advisory boards I wanna put together,

01:13:02.860 whether that's in the small business sector,

01:13:06.080 whether that's in the housing sector,

01:13:07.840 whether that's in the transit sector,

01:13:09.700 whether that's in the homelessness sector.

01:13:12.260 We have so many skills here,

01:13:13.700 and City Hall has never looked outward.

01:13:16.520 They've always looked inward,

01:13:17.500 and the only time they look outward, it seems,

01:13:19.400 is to blame the premier, the economy, the opposite,

01:13:23.560 like whoever it is, to blame them for our problems.

01:13:26.640 You know, it makes me so sad.

01:13:28.760 I often hear other Canadians speak

01:13:31.140 disparagingly of Calgary and that, you know,

01:13:33.700 we're becoming a city of complainers.

01:13:35.800 I'll tell you what, I know thousands of Albertans

01:13:38.640 and I know thousands of Calgarians

01:13:41.160 and we're not complainers, we're not whiners, we're doers.

01:13:44.160 But we need some guidance and we need some direction to do.

01:13:47.040 And I think that that's where City Hall really,

01:13:50.180 I don't think it's City Hall

01:13:51.400 or government's job to create jobs. 0.84

01:13:53.660 I think they do a terrible thing of it.

01:13:54.920 I think the WE program is the character

01:13:57.140 of how bad that ideology goes.

01:13:59.780 But I think what a government should do

01:14:01.840 is create a structure and a process

01:14:04.700 where people can create prosperous jobs and that's what's beneficial for this

01:14:08.480 city. And that's the vision that I have part of the vision I have.

01:14:12.740 I appreciate that. I think a lot of what has to change too.

01:14:15.520 It's just, yeah, it's attitude and cultural even. I mean,

01:14:18.080 these are not, you know, physical things to be pointed at,

01:14:21.960 but we've had a rough one for some time now. And some of that, yes,

01:14:26.220 constantly just making excuses or blaming somebody else when perhaps, Hey,

01:14:30.020 well, you've got the job, look to what you can do on your own,

01:14:32.460 rather than shooting outwards all the time.

01:14:35.660 Because as you say, it gets tiresome and people are seeing that.

01:14:38.180 And it's giving a culture of defeat, I think,

01:14:40.700 or what it looks like if people are considering relocating towards Calgary.

01:14:43.820 So you're into campaign mode for the summer.

01:14:46.820 What are you going to be getting up to?

01:14:48.360 I know it's limited.

01:14:49.180 We don't know week by week what's open and what's not.

01:14:51.620 But it's looking pretty good so far.

01:14:54.020 Where can we look forward to seeing you in the next couple of months here?

01:14:56.840 So what my campaign team and myself are working on,

01:15:00.840 We're working at reaching out to the community and holding events at, you know, smaller venues, little restaurants, coffee shops throughout all the communities so that we can engage with people.

01:15:11.700 We know that social distancing and all that is still a priority and a concern.

01:15:15.840 And we need we want to be respectful.

01:15:17.800 One of the things we're doing, too, that we've initiated, we have a hashtag program.

01:15:21.980 One of the things I've never, ever resonated with is lawn signs.

01:15:26.160 Long before I ever thought I'd have anything to do with politics.

01:15:29.380 I've always disliked them.

01:15:30.540 I thought that they were ugly, unattractive,

01:15:34.980 not complimentary to our beautiful city.

01:15:37.400 And the other thing that really has always rankled me

01:15:39.960 about them is that coroplast they're made out of

01:15:41.960 literally will live for centuries in a landfill.

01:15:45.260 A single use purpose to put someone's face out there

01:15:49.060 and then it lives in a landfill for centuries.

01:15:51.540 Now my team, we will have to at some point in time

01:15:54.160 get a few of them, but we're trying our best

01:15:55.980 not to get ourselves in that race.

01:15:59.080 So what we're doing is we're using biodegradable

01:16:01.320 and chalk paint and all those kinds of things.

01:16:03.140 And we're hashtagging the city, you know,

01:16:04.920 not just Zane for mayor, but other hashtags like,

01:16:07.340 you know, waste energy.

01:16:08.520 We have, I already have an advisory board put together

01:16:11.080 of how we can take our waste and our landfills

01:16:13.840 and turn it into energy.

01:16:15.000 I mean, other cities do it.

01:16:15.900 There's like 400 of them in Europe

01:16:17.300 where they don't have the land like we do here.

01:16:20.380 So that's one of the things, you know,

01:16:22.260 recycle your plastic, not your politicians.

01:16:25.620 We need new politicians in office.

01:16:27.700 We have all these different hashtags about Calgary.

01:16:30.020 And so that's part of our advertising marketing campaign that we're doing to get awareness out there.

01:16:34.360 And they're biodegradable.

01:16:35.800 They're going to disappear with very, very little environmental impact at the end of this campaign.

01:16:41.100 So that's some of the things, reaching out to the community, making sure that we're being heard and that we're listening.

01:16:46.280 Because I actually started this campaign over two years ago under a platform called Calgary 2.0.

01:16:51.760 We have a website and everything.

01:16:52.960 At that point in time, I was still very involved in the nonprofit world.

01:16:55.720 so I could not really be running for an elected office it could have been construed as a conflict

01:17:01.140 I've obviously retired from all those board positions now but I wanted to start this search

01:17:05.820 and starting to reach out to Calgarians and learn from Calgarians you know two three years ago so we

01:17:11.580 still want to do that we want to hear from Calgarians I mean I always say I know what's in my

01:17:15.620 bubble but Corey I don't know what's in yours and I certainly don't know you know it's in all of the

01:17:20.460 northeast, the southeast, the northwest, the southwest, we need to hear what those Calgarians

01:17:26.480 have as issues and concerns. And so that's what we're doing this summer. We're learning from

01:17:31.880 our neighbors and we're getting our word out there. And we are really trying to make people

01:17:37.300 realize that there is a different direction the city can go that will lead us to far more

01:17:42.880 prosperity in the direction it's going right now. Great. Well, thank you very much for coming on

01:17:48.580 and sharing some of what you're about, what your campaign's doing.

01:17:51.620 So where can people reach you to get more questions answered or take part or help with

01:17:56.360 the campaign?

01:17:57.340 I would recommend they go to my webpage, which is www.zane4mayor.ca.

01:18:06.120 And you can read, I actually just posted a thing on there called my vision because people

01:18:10.620 ask me about, you know, what I see for the future and what would I like to do?

01:18:13.660 so trying to be a little utopian I wrote a document called my vision and what I did is I

01:18:19.560 just transported the readers to eight years and like three months from now which would be the end

01:18:25.100 of September of 2029 like I mentioned I only plan on running two terms so that would take us to a

01:18:30.640 few weeks before another municipal election which I would not be running in I would not be a

01:18:34.700 participant but I walk people the reader through a day in my life of what I would see if I could

01:18:41.160 you know bring to fruition my dream what the city would be like what the meetings would be that i

01:18:46.360 would be having and how that would look for calgarians eight years and three months from now

01:18:51.160 so i really recommend go to zaneformayor.ca uh read my vision reach out to volunteer we can use

01:18:58.600 more volunteers we can use more donations uh we plan we're going to win this but we need the

01:19:05.160 support of calgarians to do it great well thank you very much for coming on i look forward to

01:19:10.440 watching your campaign unfold over the summer and hopefully we'll touch base again once we get a

01:19:14.280 little closer to voting day i really appreciate your inviting me cory uh my my phone is always

01:19:19.320 open for you so is my website my email you know how to get a hold of me happy to participate

01:19:23.720 again thanks for the time all right thanks thank you so there's our municipal politics segment for

01:19:33.800 the day and again as i was saying at the start when i was going into the intro and the internet

01:19:38.520 was misbehaving but we have so many candidates uh but it is going to be such a turning point uh

01:19:44.200 i mean this election for so many reasons i mean we're changing a number of people who are going

01:19:49.080 to be in office no matter what happens we're in an economic crisis as we sit there there's

01:19:54.600 no getting around that i mean this pandemic is just beating us down so the more candidates and

01:20:00.600 the more people we can listen to and talk to the better i mean one of the things that does resonate

01:20:04.760 was in for shows you get that informed vote out there we've got people have got to research they

01:20:09.880 got to make up their minds and and choose wisely um so there was interesting thing and like the

01:20:15.640 bird was talking about with the arts signs yeah that's something i've read about before though um

01:20:22.040 which is uh i don't like the science so much either as somebody who has uh managed a couple

01:20:26.840 or off a number of campaigns now over the years you spend so much money i mean i'm going outside

01:20:32.360 of the environmental and i'm just talking the fiscal conservative end you know you've got a

01:20:35.320 campaign you've got a budget of you know so many thousands of dollars and you go and spend five

01:20:40.680 six thousand dollars on these signs that you stick on public land all over the place my issue isn't

01:20:45.160 so much lawn signs i i there's a lot of value i think in people demonstrating their support and

01:20:49.480 showing their neighbors and it also encourages candidates to actually get out there and knock

01:20:53.320 on that door rather than just drive to street corners and pound signs in on them i wouldn't

01:20:57.640 mind just seeing the signs gone from the public land we don't need them they don't have much effect

01:21:01.720 they cost a bunch of money that could be better spent on other things it might be pizza and beer

01:21:05.640 for the volunteers or another brochure drop or anything but those signs are just so wasteful

01:21:11.720 and you do only use them once i mean i'm not a sierra club member by a long shot but it is

01:21:16.520 pretty wasteful to see that corplast all made up like that used for a month with very very little

01:21:21.880 effect on the campaign and then dumped into the garbage at the at the end of it it's a wasteful

01:21:27.080 practice but it's hard to get out of because of course you don't want to be the candidate who

01:21:29.960 backs down signs and it looks like the other candidates got more signs than you and the race

01:21:34.020 to the end carries on. So I don't know the full solution, but I do think they are a real wasteful

01:21:38.060 way of campaigning that really don't do a heck of a lot of good. I see somebody saying they're

01:21:44.680 only going to stay for two terms is good as well, but we'll see, you know, term limits,

01:21:49.480 they come with a good and a bad. I mean, yeah, I get tired of those ones who've been sitting

01:21:53.940 in their 20, 30 years in there. But at the same time, there's something frightening with a

01:22:01.600 politician when they're reaching the end of their term. You know, when they got one more year left,

01:22:05.300 they got nothing to lose. And then you can really start to see the bad side. I mean,

01:22:09.280 if there's an actual term limit, if there's something saying they can't run for that office

01:22:14.860 again. I like term limits in general, but everything comes with a good and a bad. So

01:22:20.800 yeah, I'm going to get it rolling. We're coming in

01:22:23.860 and it's going to be a summer break and we're going to change

01:22:25.880 some of our digital stuff. As we've seen

01:22:27.900 it's had some challenges with the live feed

01:22:29.880 lately. You know, it limits

01:22:31.900 us, well for one, this internet is driving

01:22:33.720 bananas today.

01:22:35.480 Getting guests in and on. I'm going to be doing another one on

01:22:37.360 Friday. I'm going to have Tim Mullen as a guest.

01:22:40.540 He's the leader of the Libertarian

01:22:41.840 Party of Canada. He's just resigned

01:22:43.880 as the leader of the Libertarian Party of Canada, so

01:22:45.320 we'll be

01:22:46.300 moving on to bigger

01:22:49.920 better things we'll see what happens with the party and then what's happened with this time

01:22:53.120 but then it's gonna be really good conversation tim's a really bright guy and really fun to chat

01:22:57.760 with uh as patricia saying the audio adjustments needed again yeah so as i said that'll be my last

01:23:04.000 show my last live show on friday we're gonna do live specials we're gonna do the pipeline

01:23:08.720 i'm gonna do interviews but we're gonna record them and get them up there and we're gonna keep

01:23:12.720 them up regularly keep this guest format but the live experiment we've been trying it just seems

01:23:16.720 the the we don't quite have the infrastructure there to do it quite right yet but we're moving

01:23:22.100 along the standards doing great getting a lot of subscribers we're getting a lot of viewers and

01:23:26.440 listeners uh so it'll be a good summer break to kind of re-gear and and get into a recorded format

01:23:31.160 and get some guests on and move from there so I'm just giving the heads up on that uh I'm not sure

01:23:36.140 I'd have to ask Derek to check with some of the others if we're doing the pipeline on Wednesday

01:23:38.960 I'm guessing not because usually we all go downtown but that's going to be Canada day and

01:23:43.660 things will be all tied up. There's your reminder. One thing I want to throw out in the municipal

01:23:48.240 politics, Canada Day is coming. Calgary will be the lone major municipality that's still

01:23:54.860 maintaining a mask by law during it. So you'll be gagging as you get up from the patio to go to the

01:24:01.040 washroom, at least if you're following the law. You'll be gagging under that mask as you step into

01:24:06.220 a store or do other things. So bear in mind that the entire rest of the province doesn't have to

01:24:10.840 do that crap. And the reason for it was Mayor Nahed Nenshi wanted to score a political point

01:24:18.220 with Jason Kenney. It was funny watching Nenshi have a tantrum, and he has a lot of those.

01:24:23.540 I mean, it was definitely him and Iverson wanted to do the one-two punch on Kenney with the mask

01:24:28.420 bylaws. But unfortunately for Nenshi, Edmonton City Council told Iverson to get stuffed. They're

01:24:35.420 dumping their mask bylaws by

01:24:37.420 Canada Day. Lethbridge City

01:24:39.400 Council looks like they're going to be dumping their

01:24:41.020 bylaws on Tuesday. And as Mikey's point,

01:24:43.360 yes, just take them off. And I believe

01:24:45.520 that for the individual. But what we've got

01:24:47.440 to watch is the business owners. This is the

01:24:49.280 unfortunate thing about authoritarians

01:24:50.660 and statists and the bloody government does. 1.00

01:24:53.960 I know from being a bar owner,

01:24:55.380 is they got you by the regulatory

01:24:57.140 balls. And

01:24:59.140 it's the business owner who gets in trouble. They make

01:25:01.340 them the enforcement one. And if a business owner

01:25:03.280 has let people in, maskless,

01:25:05.420 without trying to do anything they're the ones who can end up with the fines and and it's wrong

01:25:11.340 and it's a bunch of bs um i don't mind i'm never going to report anybody i see without masks it's

01:25:16.920 stupid it's done it's over and i think most people feel that way but if a business is still demanding 0.64

01:25:21.420 it i'm going to respect that i'll either go to another business which is what's going to happen

01:25:25.320 in calgary a lot people are just going to go outside the city for canada day and for this

01:25:28.240 heat wave and shopping and doing other things uh but uh aside from that anywhere you don't have to

01:25:34.500 wear one well again leave it to the individual as mikey's saying you know it's it's the choice

01:25:38.400 that's the thing if you want to wear one wear it if you don't want to wear one leave me alone

01:25:42.220 and uh we'll go from there but it was funny watching nichi with the egg on the face

01:25:47.400 and i like to remind everybody and remind people of the ones who were running again for office who

01:25:51.960 did vote for that mass bylaw jody gondek who's running for mayor she's nenshi's chosen successor

01:25:58.440 she's just uh little mini nenshi as other people say or nenshi the second or many other things so

01:26:03.060 If you want four more years of Ninchy in another version, Jody Gondek is the one.

01:26:09.820 She voted, along with others, to keep you masked up.

01:26:13.920 Others, Giancarlo Carra voted to keep you masked up.

01:26:16.680 He's running for re-election.

01:26:17.840 Make sure he doesn't get your vote.

01:26:20.780 Who else did we have in the vote?

01:26:21.820 Diane Colley Urquhart.

01:26:23.240 Yes, well beyond her political best before date, she voted to keep you masked up.

01:26:28.900 And Woolley and a few others voted for it too, but of course they're not running again,

01:26:32.400 so they won't have to face you on that one but I'm going to keep reminding people which ones

01:26:37.780 and uh yeah those are the ones don't vote for them and as Mikey's pointing out yeah medicine

01:26:43.660 hat they've been reasonable yeah and most of the province has been reasonable this is just

01:26:48.440 political game playing and we're the ones who suffer and some people say oh it's just a mask

01:26:53.040 it's no big deal I kiss my ass it is a big deal it's dehumanizing it covers my face I can't see

01:27:00.200 other people's facial expressions. They can't see mine. Can't see my beautiful smile. I do smile

01:27:04.740 occasionally. It's rare, but it happens now and then. So no, and it's my bloody choice. Don't tell

01:27:11.360 me whether I should be indifferent about being forced to wear a mask or not. If I don't want to,

01:27:16.080 I bloody well shouldn't have to. We certainly don't see the infection numbers to justify it.

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01:29:25.540 supports Western independence, I also support history and recognize it and appreciate it.

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01:29:37.020 but I respect his role in history. Canada, far from perfect. In fact, I want to see the

01:29:41.820 constitution torn down rebuilt rewritten with uh western independence as being the catalyst that

01:29:46.580 leads to it but it doesn't mean i can't sit out on canada today and appreciate the things that

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01:30:11.820 Thank you.

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The Cory Morgan Show June 28 2021

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