00:02:00.000morning welcome to the cory morrigan show friday june 4th i know it's asking a lot of people to
00:02:25.320tune in when the weather's so nice outside and it seems like there might be better things to do
00:02:30.160than listen to me go on for a day but I'll try and make it worth your while tuning in. I got a couple
00:02:35.220of great guests coming on. Shane Wenzel from Shane Holmes is going to be coming on in about 15
00:02:40.920minutes. We're going to talk a bit about the housing market that's just kind of gone insane
00:02:45.660lately. You know some of the reasons for what we might have to look forward to maybe some of the
00:02:50.980pitfalls of jumping in on it right now or not jumping in on it right now. It's a complex area,
00:02:56.900but it's really been making the news. It's been interesting to watch in these depressed times,
00:03:00.660yet houses are going crazy right now. After that, I'm going to talk to Jacob McGregor.
00:03:05.880He's a young fellow who's running for Ward 1 in the municipal election in Calgary up there. I know
00:03:12.140it seems like a long ways away, but the election's coming. There's going to be so many candidates.
00:03:17.760There's so many openings. I mean, the mayoral's office is open. I believe over five sitting
00:03:22.920councillors are now not running for their council seats again. So there is going to be a turnover
00:03:27.300one way or another. And there's so many candidates that, to be honest, they may as well get in early
00:03:31.860rather than late and find out what they're all about and what they're putting forward so that
00:03:35.280in this rare chance for a big council turnover, we take advantage of it and get the best people
00:03:42.320we can because, you know, turnouts in municipal elections are typically terribly low, embarrassingly
00:03:47.160low and uh we really need to pay attention to them because that's the closest level of government we
00:03:50.760got to ourselves and we ignore these candidates at our peril so it'll be interesting to talk to
00:03:56.020jacob he's running as i said in ward one that's where ward sutherland is right now he's going
00:04:00.140against an incumbent candidate and uh we'll see what he has to say on it so things are going well
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00:07:16.140Where do you begin with the news lately, right?
00:07:20.300Jody Wilson-Raybould has been in the news.
00:07:23.060She came up last night on a show, and I guess she outright called for the repealing of the Indian Act.
00:07:29.320I just want to mention that because I wrote a column recently.
00:07:32.420It's in the westernstandardonline.com saying the same thing.
00:07:38.140People can give it more weight from, you know, Mrs. Wilson-Raybould since she's a First Nations person who did come up, you know, through the system and became a lawyer and a successful yet controversial politician.
00:07:50.980She's been a successful person who's worked very hard.
00:07:52.780And you've got to take what she talks about with First Nations issues seriously.
00:07:56.420And, of course, those issues are top of mind right now with that horrific discovery in Kamloops of the bodies from that residential school.
00:08:06.460So, you know, again, it's worth listening to what Jody's got to say.
00:08:10.960And that's part of what, you know, I get frustrated with.
00:08:14.380Like there's more to this than just lowering flags, virtue signaling, doing things, expressing our grief or shame, whatever you want to with that whole issue.
00:08:25.460but we really need to change some stuff and nobody's got the courage to actually change it
00:08:31.180uh wilson raybold pointed out quite clearly the indian act is the act that facilitated
00:08:35.740residential schools that's where it was packed into i mean they've pulled that
00:08:38.520clause out of it but that big 140 year old ugly racist document is still what governs first
00:08:48.580nations today. It's still what guides our governance, our actions, the reserve system,
00:08:55.440the whole ugly mess. You know, there's no repairing a bill that ugly. We've got to work
00:09:00.960on throwing it in the garbage. Now, it can be very debatable on what you replace the bill with.
00:09:05.000Personally, I think nothing. I don't think race-based policy has any place in a modern
00:09:10.060society or a democratic system. But at least, you know, if people need to be replaced by something,
00:09:15.580it's time to start the discussion. But the first step is pointing out that the Indian Act is garbage
00:09:20.300and put it in the garbage where it belongs. So I was happy to see Jody Wilson-Raybould come out0.95
00:09:25.000and say that. Of course, she is sitting as an independent member of parliament. You don't see
00:09:28.420them coming out that boldly, unfortunately, with policy statements or ideas when they're members
00:09:34.520of a party. It takes until they lose those partisan constraints before they can speak
00:09:39.580their mind and go after these issues. Because we know that the Liberal government, more than
00:09:43.800likely they'll strike more commissions. They'll throw more money at some things. They'll certainly
00:09:46.980apologize over and over again. And I'm certain many of the apologies are genuine, but it doesn't
00:09:52.100change anything. We've got to change things. We've got this system of apartheid. We've got this
00:09:57.420reserve system. It's failing. It's in trouble. People are suffering on every level on those
00:10:03.100reserves. And the Indian Act is the core document that keeps that separation going. So I was just
00:10:08.880very happy to see Jody Wilson-Raybould speak up about it. Hopefully she takes that up as a cause
00:10:13.340because people do watch her they listen to her she's got a platform she's got a voice1.00
00:10:17.500and maybe we can finally start chipping at you know this this uh intractable old antiquated racist
00:10:25.900system was which really is what we have right now uh we talked a bit about it on the pipeline you
00:10:30.380know and derek and i it was it was a fun debate because derek kind of agrees but he thinks it's0.97
00:10:33.820completely impossible to get rid of the indian act that it'll never happen you know i i'm not one to
00:10:38.460say never say never and it won't be easy it won't be easy by any means but a good step towards it's0.99
00:10:42.860It's when you get people like Jody Wilson-Raybould coming out saying, we have to scrap that odious piece of legislation.
00:10:48.440So that's kind of good news on a front of a terrible, tragic, bad news story.
00:10:55.900So getting on to independent MLAs, actually, that can speak their minds now.
00:11:00.320I noticed Drew Barnes and Todd Lowen have done their first action in the independent corner of the legislature.
00:11:06.780They're taking the UCP to task on their democratic reform policies, which, again, is great.
00:11:12.580You know, again, when these guys get unrestrained by the partisan gag, they can speak up because, you know, Jason Kenney and the UCP did a terrible bait and switch with us when it came to democratic reform.
00:11:23.460They sold us as party members when I was a member of parties in the past as voters, still a voter, on democratic reform.
00:11:31.300They said, we're going to get citizens initiated referenda and we're going to get recall legislation.
00:11:36.420We thought, great, we'll go ahead with that. It's going to be fantastic. Somehow it took them
00:11:39.800two years and before their poll numbers were swirling the toilet, before they finally got
00:11:44.480around to actually tabling such legislation, at least they got to it. But then what they did is
00:11:49.380they created it and set the thresholds so high on both that they're never going to be met. It was a
00:11:55.440joke. It's an insult, really. So you've drafted and say, there, you see, I gave you what you're
00:11:59.920asking for, but you can't use it. It's like promising somebody a meal, but it's locked
00:12:05.520under a glass dish. All you can do is look at it. You can't actually eat it. So in other words,
00:12:10.420it's not good for anything. It was a waste of time and it was a deception. So to see Todd and
00:12:17.720Drew speaking up against that in an unrestrained and constructive manner. I'll lay out a little
00:12:24.320of what I'm talking about. With the recall legislation, for example, you've got to set
00:12:27.820the threshold rather high because you don't want people frivolously doing it. We don't want people
00:12:33.040starting a recall petition the day after somebody gets elected. I mean, it should be used
00:12:37.240only in extreme circumstances when somebody in elected office has done something so odious that
00:12:42.760we just don't feel we can wait to have them finish up their term before getting rid of them.
00:12:48.200And while I say it's rare, we've seen that a number of times with a number of elected officials
00:12:52.300over the years. We need some sort of mechanism in those extreme examples, but you need to set a bar
00:12:56.500relatively high so it's not done frivolously. Now, typically with these sorts of things,
00:13:00.820you would set it based on petitioning and getting signatures from the number of people who voted in
00:13:08.460the last election like if you want to get a party registered in Alberta for example I can't remember
00:13:12.220what it is I believe it's five percent or something like that but it's five percent of those who voted
00:13:16.380in the last election that's where they set that threshold in that bar and that's the number you
00:13:21.700got to get and if nobody's ever actually petitioned door-to-door before you got to understand it's
00:13:25.660very very difficult it's hard work like real petitioning not online petitions not all that
00:13:30.000stuff. I can throw a petition up on Twitter and probably get 5,000 signatures in half an hour over
00:13:35.160something ridiculous and stupid just because that's what we do on Twitter. But a real one where
00:13:39.320you've got to get somebody to commit to putting their phone number, their address and their
00:13:43.380signature on it. A good petitioner working their butt off would be lucky to get 100 signatures a
00:13:48.960day. Like that's really hard work to go to somebody's door and do that. And they've set
00:13:52.680the bar at I believe it's 40% of registered voters in the last election. Registered, not just those
00:14:00.260who came out to vote. So you understand if you had a low turnout constituency where you're trying
00:14:04.680for a recall, you might actually need to get signatures from more people than actually voted.
00:14:09.800That's never going to happen. And they knew that when they brought this legislation forward. They
00:14:14.320knew that very well. So I'm happy to see Drew Barnes and Todd Lowen bringing it up. And again,
00:14:20.640that, you know, we've got kind of a dysfunctional, very polarized legislature right now. You know,
00:14:26.780Rachel Notley, I mean, as people have said, if Kenny said the sky was blue, she would be screaming
00:14:31.660from the hilltops that absolutely not, it's purple. That it's just blind opposition rather
00:14:36.060than constructive opposition. And we need constructive stuff. So Drew and Todd, and boy,
00:14:42.220you know, we know they're cranky with the UCP and Kenny right now, but still, they're taking
00:14:45.640legislation and they're saying these are ways we can improve upon it let's get it forward and fix
00:14:51.680it up now whether or not it'll pass probably not but we're seeing at least some constructive voices
00:14:56.400in opposition because opposition is important it's very important but we need it to be nuanced we
00:15:02.080need it to have a goal not just a case of rage or constantly just opposing everything that the
00:15:08.420government says or does I mean the role is to pick at the government and see where they've gone wrong
00:15:13.200and to expose things absolutely and it can make you a little grumpy when it's the the team you
00:15:18.580like that's getting exposed doing something but it's a very important role and if that role though
00:15:23.360is taken to the extreme as unfortunately i think it is right now it's not being utilized correctly
00:15:27.980and we're not seeing the benefits of it that we could so um i i am a supporter of pizza parliament
00:15:33.540sort of things the more voices you can get in there that are unrestrained to speak up
00:15:36.580the better we all are for it so judy wilson rabel is up there now speaking about the indian act and
00:15:42.240she's very well qualified to do so. She never would have been allowed to do so or able to do
00:15:46.760so when she was under the Liberal Party banner. Todd and Drew are now up there speaking on the
00:15:52.300Democratic reform bills. Again, they wouldn't have been able to do so when they were still
00:15:56.600technically UCP members. So in some ways, we've got some good news happening in the legislature.
00:16:02.680It feels futile. It feels like you're just screaming in the wind because the majority
00:16:05.860is still going to crush you when the vote comes. But it was brought up and voters remember it.
00:16:09.820And I think, you know, I mean, Kenny is by no means a fool.
00:16:13.660That's why we're so disappointed in him at a lot of levels, because he is a smart man and he is principled in many ways.
00:16:20.400They understand that they're in a lot of trouble in the polls and they're having some difficulty.
00:16:23.740So when they get these pressures put against them, you know, reasonably, it's possible the government can shift a little bit.
00:16:39.440Thank you, Drew. Thank you, Todd. Good politics to all. So I'm going to bring in on to something
00:16:46.320a little different now is Shane Wenzel. He's from Shane Holmes, the namesake of it from his father,
00:16:52.500Cal. The housing market has been big in the news lately, and a lot of it is kind of, it's a huge
00:16:57.620issue. It's confusing. There's a lot of odd trends happening. I'd just like to speak to somebody who
00:17:03.500knows more on those issues than myself. And there's many people that know more than myself,
00:17:07.260uh but particularly in this Shane's got some some good stuff to say I'm sure so thank you very much
00:17:12.140for joining me Shane oh I'm not hearing you there um is that better oh there we go you're coming in
00:17:23.200excellent yeah yeah the two-tiered system of mic making okay it's better than what happens if you
00:17:31.560get an embarrassing hot mic when you're saying you're doing something absolutely better to have
00:17:37.040some checks and balances so thanks for coming on good to see you by the way it's been a while of
00:17:41.760these these things nobody gets out anymore um actually i wanted to start i was hoping i i threw
00:17:48.400that out in the tweet as well you know you've been really active lately uh you've always been
00:17:51.920politically outspoken and things and you put out a great youtube video on cancel culture and uh
00:17:56.960and an article in uh business calgary i believe it was yes yes so maybe we could expand in a bit
00:18:03.760of that in a little bit here if you like too um if you've got some time to chat on those things but
00:18:08.640i i do want to start on housing like this is something it's it's been kind of strange you
00:18:14.320know i i've seen it in my neighborhood down in prittis like houses have gone up for sale and
00:18:18.480they're literally gone in eight hours they're getting what they asked or they're getting into
00:18:21.520bidding wars for these things like we're in an economic almost depression right now most people
00:18:26.960are in a hard way why on earth are we seeing people going into bidding wars and paying much
00:18:31.920much, much more for a house all of a sudden that they never would have imagined a year ago.
00:18:36.460You know what? If I had all the answers, you know, I'd probably be on every talk show from
00:18:40.880coast to coast. I would have predicted that it would have slowed down. And that's where we were
00:18:44.740a year ago, Corey. You know, we were locked down and people just weren't getting out. I mean,
00:18:51.440they were scared. They didn't know what to expect from COVID. And we actually had a relatively
00:18:55.760decent year last year. And this year, where you think things should logically slow down,
00:19:01.920again. Here they are. They've ramped up once again. Yeah. So we're a bit baffled ourselves,
00:19:08.540but I mean, we're happy to go along with what's happening out there. But when you look at what's
00:19:14.240happening in the market, though, I mean, prices have gone out of whack. And honestly, for the
00:19:18.620first time, at least in my career, all of North America has really exploded for housing. Now,
00:19:26.600what can you tie that back to well there's a few things i think uh you know one i mean you're
00:19:31.900seeing a product of the lockdown when it uh when it comes to uh to a lot of the pricing out there
00:19:37.040and lumber seems to be the hot button right now uh and and you know just to give people a comparison
00:19:43.300uh you know because they they i know that there's some people who said well really you builders you're
00:19:47.420going for a margin grab well no it's not a margin grab trust me uh since september of 2020 on an
00:19:54.780average 2,000 square foot single family front drive home, lumber has gone up $44,000. And that
00:20:02.660is the largest increase I have seen in my entire career. But it's working its way throughout the
00:20:08.680entire chain. And again, I go back to the lockdowns when you see your production should
00:20:13.840run in a straight line like this, your buying should run in a straight line like this. And
00:20:19.000And then all of a sudden, you know, buying drops off, production drops down hard.
00:20:24.180And it's just created backups from everything right down to tubs, appliances, absolutely everything.
00:20:34.080And I think that's creating a lot of what you're asking is, you know, why are people out there buying like crazy?
00:20:40.600In your case, why is Prittis exploding?
00:20:42.500Well, housing availability, the stock out there is short.
00:20:47.300and you know people are uh you know whether you want to call it a trend i call it more of a fad
00:20:52.440people are panic buying in a way they're panic buying because you know the the interest rates
00:20:59.620are as low as they could possibly be right now although uh qualifying through cmhc is much more
00:21:04.940of a challenge with uh with the increases in the stress test but at the same time you know you're
00:21:11.280seeing products again like lumber go up you know 44 000 in a matter of seven eight months you know
00:21:17.180your appliances are going up your tubs are going up uh believe it or not labor is very little of
00:21:22.940all of that so they're trying to get in before you know the pricing goes too far out of whack that
00:21:27.180they can't afford a home yeah well there's some dangers in this as you said it's almost a a fad
00:21:33.420like some people again none of us has a crystal ball to know for sure but it's like everything
00:21:38.220whether it's a cryptocurrency bubbles or others uh you better watch it if you buy at the top just
00:21:43.180before the bottom falls out you can be in a in a pretty precarious position of negative equity
00:21:48.060and if interest rates suddenly raise you you could be in a whole world of trouble
00:21:52.300sure you could and i think we've seen that already uh where calgary had reached its peak
00:21:58.060uh probably about seven eight years ago even uh even in condominiums downtown where you have
00:22:03.500people paying 450 000 for 950 square foot apartment now they're able to sell it for 380 390.
00:22:10.620you know so those people are backwards and uh you know it's no different in suburbia where
00:22:15.680you get people who purchased homes for 450 000 and right now the the top value might be four
00:22:22.860but you know with a bit of the craziness out there they uh you know they might get up to about
00:22:26.820430 000 so it does come back a lot to the uh to the timing yeah and of course in your home builder
00:22:34.160i don't want to be out here discouraging people from investing and buying a home at this point
00:22:37.600But we're just seeing, I'm sure everybody prefers just to see some steady, predictable, to a degree, trending happening rather than panic buys or spikes because kind of everybody can lose in that sense.
00:22:50.000So what we, we've experienced it once before where, you know, you saw a Calgary go right out of sight and people panic buying and then, oh, they decide, well, I'm not going to take the house.
00:23:01.460Well, you know, there's a downside to that as well.
00:23:05.340Yeah. Well, and then I'm guessing, I mean, you know, as I said, there's different people to
00:23:10.700play all sorts of roles in the market. You know, there's realtors who would have other things to
00:23:14.360add and things such as that and people involved in things. But I believe this is the theory of
00:23:19.540my part that there's a bit of an exodus from downtown density. I mean, it's just due to this
00:23:24.460bizarre year we've already had. People aren't as inclined to be in tight quarters with their
00:23:28.960neighbors as they used to be. And a lot of people aren't working in the core as they used to be,
00:23:32.900they may never go back so i mean it's driving a bit of a demand to move kind of outward i imagine
00:23:39.860in some cases yeah i uh you know i know how tough i i could butt heads with some of my
00:23:45.300counterparts on this i don't know if we've seen that as an actual trend yet or if it's more of
00:23:49.220just a a fad but uh yeah you do have people moving out uh moving out of the core uh you know they're
00:23:55.540looking for more space between them and their neighbor they're looking for more space in general
00:23:59.380because now they've really had to live in their home and it's not sufficient for the way they
00:24:05.720live or even the way they work, which is another reason that they might be making the move. They
00:24:11.100want a separate home office, you know, because they're being allowed to work from home or they
00:24:16.640may continue that work from home in the near future. You know, so it's an interesting one
00:24:23.760to kind of track, but, you know, ask me the same question a year from now and I'll be able to
00:24:28.260verify, you know, what's real and what's not.
00:24:31.260Yeah, well, and it's, again, I mean, all we can do is speculate, but that's, you know,
00:26:24.860Do you want to expand on what kind of inspired you and what you were getting at with that there?
00:26:29.880Well, you know, I think the title says it all.
00:26:34.420You know, I think that's all we've seen is a bunch of empty rhetoric over the last 14 months.
00:26:38.300And, you know, again, tail end of 14 months, I mean, that's enough.
00:26:42.240You know, you have a lot of the unions out there posturing for, you know, for positioning and for raises.
00:26:51.380And yet, you know, you come to the private sector where people have been flapped, losing their jobs.
00:26:57.100And that frustration has really taken over.
00:27:00.080You have politicians who are posturing for position.
00:27:04.000I mean, you had mentioned just earlier on about the opposition, you know, claiming, you know, if the UCP said the sky was blue, they would argue that it's red.
00:31:07.820I mean, this is negative stuff as well, but it's a counterpoint.
00:31:11.000You know, we want to look at all of it.
00:31:12.520It's not saying that you're going to get out and strip all the restrictions and let the
00:31:15.680world go, but we've got to talk about the whole thing.
00:31:18.220and the media seems to be all on one side right now and that's been the challenge and you know
00:31:22.700again that's where i think the rhetoric comes in there the unqualified uh opinions is you know
00:31:27.820really i mean let's talk about mental health uh you know and i don't have the stat for canada but
00:31:32.060i do know in the united states it's gone up you know mental health issues have gone up five to
00:31:35.860six hundred percent so if we could relate that even to canada i mean that's significant that's
00:31:41.300a hell of a lot of damage uh you know you talk about businesses you talk about suicides you know
00:31:47.340I'm starting to find that, you know, I know more people who have gone broke or bankrupt out of their business and even suicides more so than I know of anybody who's had COVID.
00:32:05.700And there's been some positive work done, but we don't get that view.
00:32:10.000I'm just with recent events, for example, and I'll give some credit to somebody I really give credit to in a moment.
00:32:15.320But Jason Kenney announced or UCP announced they're going to close the safe consumption site down at the center, down in the Beltline there.
00:32:27.120But that caused, of course, everybody to go off their handle.
00:32:30.180And it turned out that there were some overdoses in Edmonton Park.
00:32:32.620And the media is rushing right out to talk to Mayor Iveson and activists and others.
00:32:37.940And the rhetoric was Jason Kenney is going to kill people.
00:32:43.260And when you read further through the release, they have plans to open actually two more centers.
00:32:48.220They just want to position them in better spots. And even Mayor Neheden and Enchi backed off because
00:32:53.100at first he was critical. And he said, No, now that I've looked at it, actually, I think they
00:32:56.220might be going somewhere in the right direction here. But that's always kind of the small print
00:33:00.860at the end of the article, not the headline, you know, where it's just to kill people. Well,
00:33:06.140Jason Kenney has come up with 4000 beds as a plan for treatment for, you know,
00:33:11.740that's not a heartless act. That's terribly expensive, though I think it'll pay for us all
00:33:15.980if we can get some people treated and fixed up. I mean, mental health and addiction has been
00:33:20.300ignored for so long, but our headlines don't seem to allow us to change the status quo on that
00:33:25.740sometimes. And that's the challenge, isn't it? Yeah. So something else you've recently put up,
00:33:33.020it's been fun watching you on social media. I think it's therapeutic for some of us to get
00:33:37.820out there and get things off our chest uh if only uh and it's productive to talk about things you
00:33:42.620called it a rant that you put on youtube now your your rant for on of a far different level than my
00:33:47.740levels of rants but that's quite all right uh you're very measured and reasoned i like to think
00:33:53.660of reason i just like to get worked up and crabby get my vein pulsing when i rant but uh
00:33:59.660it it was a a good four minute video there on on cancel culture because that's something again
00:34:05.020that that's a trend that's an ugly one and an odious one uh what kind of inspired you to get
00:34:11.260it off your chest and get out there and talk about that well a lot of what kind of the same things
00:34:17.320that inspired me to you know to do the column for business in calgary uh you know it's another
00:34:21.380frustration out there because it seemed you know and i'm not kidding myself i mean i know cancel
00:34:26.080culture has been around since long before i was alive but it just seems to be amplified lately
00:34:31.740And I think that's, you know, it's almost a new thing for people since they're locked down that, you know, they need to find something to do with their time and, you know, jump on the cancel culture train or the mob bus, as I like to call it.
00:34:44.520You know, and it's getting to the point where I think it's absolutely ridiculous because we're canceling out books, we're canceling out sports teams' names, we're canceling out, you know, statues, and we're trying to erase history because somebody's offended, somebody's upset.
00:35:01.740You know, and I just, I get to the point where I think this is absolutely ridiculous.
00:35:06.360I mean, there's much worse issues in the world to have to deal with.
00:35:10.220But I mean, you know, if a statue infuriates some people so much, then, you know, maybe just don't look at the damn statue anymore.
00:35:18.600You know, but I mean, you can't erase history.
00:35:22.260And you have to, you know, at least, you know, acknowledge the existence and, you know, and the fact that those were the times.
00:35:30.960And you may not agree with it now, but I mean, it's something to learn from and it's something to to ensure never happens again.
00:35:36.980You know, so I think that's that's where the the mild rant of my video came from was just that that pure frustration of, oh, God, every day, another thing.
00:35:49.620And we can learn like we can take the negative and the positive.
00:35:53.360You know, you can take a historic statue and you can have a couple of plaques you can have.
00:35:57.620okay, here's all the things that the Famous Five did that were great.
00:36:01.360I mean, you know, bringing women the right to vote
00:36:03.200and, you know, pushing for rights and becoming people, for crying out loud.
00:36:08.220And there's, you know, this was only a couple of years before my grandmother was born.
00:36:56.620These are the successes that these people had, you know, and granted, you know,
00:37:00.700they, they might've been bigoted, but you know, at the same time, I mean,
00:37:03.660this is history. This is, this is the way it was back then. Uh, you know,
00:37:07.960we can at least acknowledge that part of it, but you know, you can,
00:37:11.860you can shake your head at the remainder, but you know, don't erase it. I mean,
00:37:16.640that's part of your history right off the bat.
00:37:19.960Yeah. Well, and then some people throw the extremes open. That's usual straw man.
00:37:23.740They say, well, would you support a Hitler statue going up somewhere?
00:37:26.620you know and somebody with my heritage yeah i would find that to be a pretty odious person to
00:37:31.780see out there but you know what it depends on the context if that was placed outside of a
00:37:36.720museum that's talking about some of the horrific dictatorial leaders we had you know you wouldn't
00:37:41.660even have the two plaques that are talking about the good and the bad all we could see from this
00:37:45.880man is nothing but bad bad bad it helps educate we're not celebrating the man we're recognizing
00:37:51.560the horrible things this person did and it'll help us watch for those sorts of things and hope
00:37:58.020that it never ever happens again and that's exactly the point you know so how come we can't
00:38:02.680do that yeah why do we have to come to the uh to the cancel culture mob and that was where the
00:38:08.480frustration comes from it's again you know it's it's me just being me and uh and talking about
00:38:14.540what frustrates me and uh and and doing it in the most you know kind of professional manner i know
00:38:20.020Well, and I'm glad to see people speak up, though. I mean, that's part of it. We can't just keep giving up on it. And we do have to speak up because the easier route is just to say, throw up your hands. Ah, fine. It's just another school. It's just another statue. But this runs further and deeper and troublesome.
00:38:38.440I was talking to Kaylin Ford the other week, and she'd been talking about charter schools.
00:39:33.040I mean, that's exactly what you want your kids learning is, you know, here's this and, you know, here's here's the the ugly underbelly of it all.
00:43:56.400How do you move forward if you can't have a constructive conversation about it?
00:44:00.480Yeah, and I do hope we do at some point. Like I said, the first step at least is just to get some people, people with a bit of profile to speak up. You know, I mean, people are afraid. They don't want to be the next one on the cancellation chopping block. You know, some of the most innocuous things that a person said or perhaps out of date. There's one that's recently hitting in the, I believe in the UK, some prominent cricket player had tweeted some stuff in 2012, I guess, and he was 18 at the time and they're ripping.
00:44:29.920he's done he's finished you're ruined you know wow hold on yeah this was social media this was
00:44:37.120when somebody was in their teens boy some of the stuff i did when i was 18 i was lucky enough to
00:44:40.960survive it uh any conversations and crap i put out i'm sure was terrible sometimes at that time
00:44:47.680do i have to live by today is that saying it's impossible for a person to grow and learn with
00:44:52.400their thought and get better well absolutely i mean you and i have had lots of discussions on
00:44:57.920that and i mean you know what what we what we miss what we uh what our views were rather
00:45:04.240back uh back around our teens back around that era far far different than what we subscribe to
00:45:08.880now why because we've taken the time to uh to learn we've uh we've grown uh emotionally physically and
00:45:15.680intelligently and i think that's the thing that uh you know well it goes back to the cancel culture
00:45:21.680comment again is you know if you're going to use something on me or about me that i said maybe
00:45:26.64020 30 years ago then you have no perspective as to who i am as a person today
00:45:33.920but automatically you're cancelled no and it's just so wrong and we can lose so much i mean we're
00:45:40.480losing speakers upcoming political figures i mean some of these young people being cancelled we
00:45:46.160don't know what their potential might have been uh maybe they did something wrong maybe what they did
00:45:52.240really was yeah pretty unforgivable for the moment but i mean this is scorched earth this
00:45:58.960is the swarm this is we are going to drive you from the public sphere for life it brings to
00:46:04.960my human nature thing you know of the old witch burnings and tarings and featherings like we just
00:46:10.000seem to have a degree of that in our nature that we've got to single somebody out
00:46:14.320and run them out of town on a rail and we haven't grown that instinct yet
00:46:18.880feed the outrage just keep feeding the outrage yeah it's a frustrating thing i'll let you go
00:46:28.360soon i know you're quite busy i appreciate you coming on i'll throw something out a comment
00:46:32.420you threw out i doubt uh any of that is uh uh in the cards here but rose is asking says i like
00:46:38.120him is shane running for any political seat uh yeah i thought that might be either response but
00:47:12.920Yeah, never say never. As I said, we change as we go. Maybe it'll seem like a good idea in 10
00:47:18.980years or maybe it never will. We'll see. You never know. 10, 15 years from now, it might be
00:47:24.300something I'd rather do because home building is a wonderful thing and the business is ever
00:47:31.000growing and I have a chance to put my mark on it now. But down the line, I might grow bored of it
00:47:37.340And, you know, I'd rather step back as the chair and let somebody else do that.
00:47:42.300Yeah, then you can get elected somewhere and I'll still have my show and I'll start ripping into you for all your bad decisions as an elected official.
00:47:54.380Well, that's great. And I just like to, you know, when listeners have questions and that I like to respond and that.
00:47:59.580So, again, I appreciate you sitting down.
00:48:02.020they, you know, I know that the housing market, as I said, it's complex and there's people in
00:48:05.060different portions, you know, or aspects of it too. I mean, it's hard to give specific answers
00:48:11.780on, on a fluid situation and people have their different, you know, areas of expertise, but
00:48:16.980it's just been in the news a lot and everybody's scratching their heads on it. So, you know,
00:48:19.860the more information we can get in that, the better to try and kind of see what's going on.
00:48:24.740Well, like I said, it's a, it's a challenge. I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean,
00:48:28.020And it's fun to have sales, you know, it keeps people employed and it keeps the economy going.
00:48:32.600It's just the supply chain issues are what's really eating up our time now and just trying to figure out, you know, how do you build these things?
00:48:42.100Like we're actually moving some people in with temporary appliances now and that has never happened in my career.
00:48:48.320You know, the odd time you might get a fridge that doesn't show up for a couple of weeks, but when it's two, three months out, yeah, I can see where people get frustrated.
00:48:58.020Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Well, I know somebody spent, you know, a couple of decades in the oil field. I mean, one of the hardest aspects of the oil field, there were a number of them, but was just that roller coaster nature of the industry. And I mean, in 2006 and seven, oh, I was getting paid an amount to work in the Arctic that I would call obscene. I was gouging. But I mean, that was the demand for a nice thickness, you know, a ground pedestrian radar data processor at that time.
00:49:24.440But I mean, you know, once 2008 passed, suddenly I was willing to work for a quarter of that
00:49:31.920because I couldn't find work anywhere.
00:49:33.920We were all fighting for the same jobs.
00:49:35.420I mean, if we'd had a little more stability, we'd all have been better for it, you know,
00:49:42.360So when you guys are trying to build, I guess, and keep up with demand on a roller coaster
00:49:46.840market as well, it comes with those challenges on top of that, too.
00:49:49.940sure but challenges are you know they're challenging obviously but they're even fun at
00:49:54.840the same time because now i've had to learn a little bit more about the supply chain and that's
00:49:59.240been interesting been very interesting uh you know because we you know just one last thing i guess
00:50:04.700you know you talk about the resin uh for for uh for tubs uh you know for vinyl siding for a lot
00:50:11.540of different products that actually go into the home i had no idea that the resin manufacturing
00:50:17.960manufacturing facility is in Texas. And when that snowstorm rolled through in Texas, that screwed
00:50:23.900that up, that shut that down 100% for two, three, four weeks until they were back up and running.
00:50:30.940And that ultimately delayed all the production for all those different products because there
00:50:37.220was no resin available. Now, it seems odd in today's world that, you know, that is the only
00:50:41.100place in North America where they make resin. And, you know, I mean, that's just one of those
00:50:46.680interesting little facts that I nerd out on when, when I'm trying to understand more about these
00:50:50.960supply chain issues. I also look at that and say, Hey, there's a great opportunity for someone in
00:50:55.640Alberta to open up a manufacturing plant. Well, yeah, throw that out there. We've got our
00:50:59.840petrochemical industry. If Texas can do it, I'm sure we can. That's the point. Yeah. And it's
00:51:05.940funny things. Yeah. You just never really think of until the time hits. I mean, resin, it just,
00:51:11.960it's way at back of mind. In this bizarre year, we're learning lots of good lessons. I mean,
00:51:15.780who would have thought that the biggest disaster of a generation,
00:51:18.020the first shortage we would have is toilet paper.
00:51:26.220There we were no economist or survivalist or plan or anybody writing a book five
00:51:31.380years ago saying what's going to happen when a pandemic hit would say,
00:51:34.660we're going to run out of toilet paper.
00:51:40.960Well, we had a little bit of a run on bidets for a while there, but yeah.
00:51:43.980Yeah. Leaves were getting torn off trees and who knows what else was happening out there, but
00:51:49.740it's an interesting world, if nothing else. I appreciate your outlook at looking at their
00:51:53.980challenges to be overcome. It keeps it interesting. And if this ever happened again, we'll know to
00:51:59.100watch out for the toilet paper and you guys would know, you know what, we might want to stack up on
00:52:03.100our resin based products that we need because we might have a problem coming up again.
00:52:08.700Exactly. Or we're just going to be turning over houses without vinyl siding and cabinets and
00:52:13.340in windows yeah well and another trend i i just wonder how much that's a bit of a contributor0.73
00:52:19.820as a side note at the end i've got a uh my wife you know my poor long-suffering jane who deals1.00
00:52:25.420with the the crap i put her through and but but she's a maniac with home reno projects loves1.00
00:52:31.340tearing stuff down you know pulls the the thread on the sweater and suddenly we've got it a whole0.51
00:52:35.340basement we're rebuilding and i i still feel that those all those home renovation shows that i do
00:52:40.620like watching or dangerous because they make it look so easy on there until you try it at home
00:52:44.300but i mean when we go to home depot places like that you know uh materials i mean and and they're
00:52:50.540they're not being taken up by home builders so much they're being taken up by lunatics like us
00:52:53.800doing home projects yeah that has to impact the entire thing in a sense as well though i mean it
00:52:59.380doesn't matter where all the materials are getting taken from you know if all the joist hangers are
00:53:03.620gone uh whether it's a professional home building company or hobbyists uh we're still short of the
00:53:08.780darn things. Well, sure. Obvious renovators, you know, I mean, they're having a hell of a run as
00:53:13.740well. You know, but basement developments, you know, based on, you know, again, people living
00:53:18.660in their home and, you know, wanting different space, you know, for either working out of the
00:53:23.640home or for themselves. But, you know, decks still get built, you know, renovations still
00:53:30.040happen in houses. And, you know, that's putting an additional strain on things because it's all
00:53:35.640happening at once yeah well they've got to come in and fix the stuff we messed up to begin with
00:53:41.200but uh pure credit jane does great stuff our own was turned around jane is the one who operates
00:53:48.080the saws and power equipment i just carry heavy things and do what i'm told uh until we get to
00:53:53.040fight and she chases me out and i'll go drive uber or something but but all the same it's you
00:53:57.860know and we still pull the electricians and all that maybe some of that will change this year
00:54:01.160that people can actually get out rather than taking on home projects and do some hiking or
00:54:04.880travel or or social activities and you know what i think is uh as we move to uh to opening i think
00:54:11.440uh you know one of the favorite terms that i have now and i read it somewhere was that uh you know
00:54:15.700revenge vacations meaning simply that you know people if they would take one vacation during
00:54:21.120the summer with the family are now considering taking two vacations two big vacations with the
00:54:25.840family because they lost last year they've been locked up long enough they're uh they're going
00:54:30.580uh, going crazy and, you know, home renovation projects or, you know, new hobbies can only,
00:54:35.520uh, can only fill the void for so long. So let's get on that. Let's, uh, let's go out and enjoy
00:54:41.060the world again. Yeah. Well, and if they got the budget good on them, I know I wanted to get
00:54:45.240somewhere warm last winter and it turned out to be impossible. So the best I could do is, you know,
00:54:48.760turn on the heat light in the bathroom. There's nothing keeping me from getting across that
00:54:54.240border, uh, this winter, darn it. If I have to sneak down and cut a fence by Milk River,
00:54:59.160i'm going to do it but oh i have every intention of doing it i'm uh i'm going away i miss you know
00:55:05.080we got a little cabin down in montana that we've had for years and uh you know what it's been
00:55:10.360a year and a half since we've been there i'm not sure if the thing is still standing but hopefully
00:55:14.520it is well yeah my mother lives in just sandpoint idaho i mean again one of the west's i think
00:55:20.600best hidden gems you know only five and a half hours away we've got an incredible lake and resort
00:55:25.720area hiding down there and i've got that good opportunity of cheap accommodations
00:55:29.160and i haven't been able to take advantage of well not to mention mom if you're watching yes i want
00:55:32.440to see you too but we're all suffering under that and maybe this year we'll have a big turn around
00:55:41.240you know i mean if they suddenly open the borders you know for all of us who've been vaccinated or
00:55:45.560not or whatnot uh i could see it being some pretty long lineups and uh quite a bit of a
00:55:51.800boom in the uh travel areas as well pretty soon so some things to look forward to and also have
00:55:55.880challenges i guess we'll suffer through them but we'll make them happen i'm sure yes you bet all
00:56:02.920right well thank you very much again shane i'm looking forward to more of your uh your your
00:56:07.000polite rants and i'll keep up my crabby power counterpoint rants and uh well if we keep speaking
00:56:13.000up we can make things better in little ways as we push along through things so that's all we can
00:56:17.720hope to do right on well all right again soon i'm sure shane you bet cory take care
00:56:29.080uh so that was a great chat and i i always like chatting with shane like i said he stays so uh
00:56:33.880well and measured and controlled uh though i know i mean he can get upset and takes politics
00:56:39.000seriously like everybody else but uh people have different approaches to it and and covering some
00:56:44.440some subjects that are a little different i've always got our elected types on and our career
00:56:49.160politician sorts and as shane made clear who knows he may consider going down that road in the future
00:56:55.640he's not there right now and uh he'll uh go where he's gonna go so we'll keep watching that and and
00:57:03.720shane holmes has been uh you know i'll throw some politics into it you know there's been some uh
00:57:09.960sparks between uh cal wenzel and mayor ninche in the past and things like that but as far as a
00:57:15.240a community business uh entrenched within the city they've been a good player uh involved
00:57:21.720in a lot of causes and charities i mean they've been a fantastic uh business community member
00:57:27.000and as you can see shane's gonna continue that tradition as a great calgarian and
00:57:31.960person speaking on political issues so i'm gonna move on now a little more political for sure well
00:57:36.680as political as it gets i'm going to speak to somebody who's running for office in calgary
00:57:42.280as i said earlier at the start of the opening some people might think it feels a little premature
00:57:46.360uh the election is still you know some months away we're getting on to this october for those
00:57:50.760who missed the opening monologue though i think this is going to be an election like we haven't
00:57:54.120seen in over 10 years like in the in city hall things don't turn over that much quite often you
00:58:01.400know that the mayor will stay in typically as long as they want to stay in uh incumbents tend to have
00:58:06.520quite an advantage in council as well. We've got a lot of incumbents who aren't running again.
00:58:10.900One way or another, we're going to have a very different looking city council after the next
00:58:14.920election than we do today. Hopefully it's for the better because there's going to be such a big
00:58:21.020change. There's a whole lot of people running for those council seats as well. And that's why I want
00:58:25.880to start talking to them now because we've only got so much time and there's so many people to
00:58:30.740go through with good ideas and campaign platforms. The sooner the better. And imagine once we get
00:58:36.140closer to election time, we'll have more shows and more coverage and cover that a bit more.
00:58:40.060So I talked to Jacob McGregor. He's running in Ward 1. That one's, I believe it's being held
00:58:46.320currently by Ward Sutherland. He's an incumbent candidate up there as well. So it takes some
00:58:52.840courage to take a run against an incumbent candidate. They're tough to take down, but it
00:58:57.960also means that he's got to be motivated. Then you want to make some change. So I see Jacob's
00:59:02.340joining me here hey thanks for joining me today so i'll um kind of start right off the bat then
00:59:09.460you know you're you're taking on a tough challenge here you're going against the guy who's already
00:59:13.540settled into his seat up there what what made you decide that you've got to get up and and
00:59:19.140make some changes well i felt very sort of taken for granted as a constituent up here in ward one
00:59:28.660uh i didn't feel communicated to or even really that listened to and i i actually didn't vote for
00:59:37.940war last time around either myself and that that's because the only campaign that um
00:59:47.220came and actually talked to me and engaged with me was a was one of his opponents so
00:59:55.460And you mentioned right before I came on that he sort of feels settled into his position, and that's sort of the problem, isn't it? When these incumbents feel like that's their seat, we end up with a disconnected council that's not doing what's best for their constituents.
01:00:21.260Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. And that's, as I was saying, why I feel it's such an important election. This is one of these times that hopefully we can, you know, make these guys work for it, if not replace them. So I do appreciate your, you're getting up and then making a push. So we'll start with, if you could list a few of the top issues, what you would like to see addressed as a candidate, what would you do as a, as a counselor?
01:00:45.460well one of the main things i've stressed since i got into the race is that council needs to
01:00:54.020start leading by example and so many calvarians are struggling at the moment and we hear platitudes
01:01:04.340about making the city more affordable to live in.
01:01:09.600And we get these plans from administration and council
01:01:17.500that are amorphous and oftentimes won't help people
01:03:06.320And another thing I'd like to touch on is this year's shown us the absolutely devastating effect that things can have on our mental health.
01:03:21.760And I'm dedicated to doing things to make sure there are fewer people reaching that crisis point.
01:03:33.000And what I'd like to see is an online portal curated by the city where you can search service
01:03:43.300providers by condition, program availability, and cost, and in addition perhaps a partnership
01:03:55.520with the province to come up with a way to make cost less of a barrier for low-income
01:04:03.760calgarians this will make sure more people get help and get our police and our firefighters
01:04:14.640having to deal with fewer of these mental health and wellness checks yeah we've seen some of these
01:04:23.120wellness checks unfortunately end in tragedy in the past a law enforcement officer i mean they're
01:04:29.360they're very you know heavily trained for for certain circumstances and situations but it may
01:04:33.920not be uh the best person for the job to for somebody who's having a mental health health
01:04:38.720crisis in a household so i i again i appreciate your approach with that i mean in addictions
01:04:45.040treatment and mental health these are areas that uh we've had a lot of shortcomings i think it's
01:04:49.520costing all of us on on many levels if we can treat people treat mental health like we treat
01:04:54.000any other ailment uh we could bring people back into you know functional roles in society and
01:04:59.920we're all going to benefit from it so you're not talking then about a sweeping program though
01:05:05.360you're just talking about at least facilitating and easy aiding in the direction of where people
01:05:09.840can go for help i i'm very much about practical solutions these big sweeping programs there
01:05:18.720they can have great outcomes but you also need to take these smaller visible steps
01:05:30.160absolutely so i'm going to get on a a few more uh direct issues something that's been big and
01:05:35.840every counselor has to deal with it even if it's whether it's in their constituency or not
01:05:40.080is the green line it seems that it keeps to getting smaller and smaller in scope while
01:05:44.720the budget stays high uh where do you stand on that project i mean it's kind of the largest
01:05:49.040mega project approaching right now um i i have been a little ambivalent towards the green line
01:05:57.520been for a while now. As you said, the costs keep going up and the actual scope and effectiveness
01:06:06.780of the project either doesn't change or becomes less noticeable. I was interested to see that
01:06:19.340south leg got the go-ahead the other day, whereas we changed procurement strategies
01:06:32.560for the north leg. I personally, when it comes to the north leg, one, would like to see
01:06:43.660an airport link included if we do go forward as well as at the start of the north leg process
01:06:53.820um probably fewer stations and more bus rapid transit to have more direct outcomes in a less
01:07:03.260costly manner okay so some some common sense transit uh approaches uh and and need based
01:07:12.060um something i i should get into uh one of our challenges with city council has has been they're
01:07:18.780always fighting with each other i mean there's going to be a degree of uh that's natural and
01:07:22.940normal for a number of politicians in one room but we've had a very very dysfunctional council uh
01:07:28.540you know more uh so than usual this last few years as a council member what could you do
01:07:34.220to help contribute to perhaps a more conducive and cooperative sort of uh environment in the chambers
01:07:38.940I had an interesting conversation about this with another candidate, Ted Knutson of Ward 8, and he was actually of the opinion that this sort of level of debate was sort of the normal functioning of democracy.
01:07:59.660I'm more in line with yourself in thinking, yes, there's obviously going to be some contention.
01:08:09.340I mean, we're 15 people in a room making decisions about issues that affect a million people.
01:08:15.700However, there does seem to be this attitude of if we don't do it the way I want to do it,
01:08:26.700then that person is actively trying to make life worse for calgarians whereas instead how we need
01:08:37.340to be looking at things is okay we don't agree on this issue but here are some things we we can work
01:08:48.700because even people you fundamentally ideologically disagree with, you're going to have some areas where you're able to work together.
01:09:04.160Yeah, no, that's good. And it kind of ties into something that's been an issue.
01:09:09.080I think that a lot of candidates or even people who won, I don't expect you to go after individuals,
01:09:14.860but what there was a lot of campaigning on transparency we're going to have transparency
01:09:18.460in city hall unfortunately we have now more closed door meetings uh in camera than pretty
01:09:25.420much any other city in the country uh you know as you said 15 people are coming up with policy
01:09:31.340for a million people you think more often than not we should be able to view and watch these uh
01:09:36.300deliberations and conversations as much as possible i talk a lot about closed sessions
01:09:42.060actually yes um anybody who has uh listened to my podcast or even my some of my other um
01:09:52.860platform materials will know that i i am as i said i felt not communicated to
01:10:00.780or listened to by the current council um and i do think a lot of that does stem from
01:10:10.540from these closed-door sessions because you end up with a vacuum of information
01:10:18.540that people fill in a lot of cases with the worst possible scenario they can come up with.
01:10:26.540Now, I understand that these sessions are sometimes necessary when we're dealing with the FOIP Act
01:10:36.540I'm negotiating interests of the city and other things like this but there are a lot of times
01:10:45.580where the reasoning feels pretty tacked on yeah so something that since you've mentioned it there
01:10:53.020as Shane's asking where can he find your podcast like things have been you know with the pandemic
01:10:59.500you can't do door knocking and town hall meetings and things like that so using digital means to
01:11:04.380reach out to people and communicate with them has been very important so where can people find what
01:11:09.100you've gone through oh yeah i i should mention that i guess while i go on and on about the podcast
01:11:16.060um my podcast is called your neck of the woods um we talk about the issues of the election
01:11:25.820different community events in ward one and we're having a series where we have guests from
01:11:33.900the races outside of ward one so take a listen to that you can find it anywhere you get um
01:11:43.900your podcast be it apple podcast spotify things like these on my youtube channel jacob for ward
01:11:51.660one things like that great yeah and we'll repeat that at the end i i'm quite excited about you
01:11:58.060know the new options from way back when i was insane enough to run for office uh voters were
01:12:03.100wise enough not to put me in there but we didn't have the means to really communicate like that
01:12:07.820we've got so many other mechanisms now and to interact uh it's just uh important to to get
01:12:13.100those there so even doing something like this um remotely isn't something that was an option until
01:12:21.580a few years ago right yeah that's right and then it's uh particularly in times like now when we
01:12:27.500haven't been able to get out we're fortunate at least to be able to have these alternatives to
01:12:31.180rely on otherwise it would just be i guess flyer deliveries and hoping for the best
01:12:36.540so getting back to some policy talk a very controversial issue that came up for a little
01:12:41.660while was the guidebook on communities there's definitely some some different points of views
01:12:46.940on how i mean calgary is still going to be a growing city and an evolving city communities
01:12:51.580are changing new communities are coming in the guidebook sounds like it was a little more
01:12:56.540prescriptive than it was uh prescriptive than it was initially modeled to be and there was a lot
01:13:01.740of battling over uh visions for the city uh what were your views on where things went with that or
01:13:07.260with development plans well we i've talked a lot about the guidebook both outdoors and online and
01:13:14.780um the uh the original document the guidebook for great community started as the big battle
01:13:24.620we've sort of had here about identification i i read it it was a dense um dense breed let me tell
01:13:34.780you and um it struck me both as too prescriptive and also having a lot of wishy-washy may and
01:13:46.700shit language with regards to actual engagement and when you have a planning document like this
01:13:55.900for one it needs to have when you're calling something a guidebook
01:14:02.140it that original document read a lot more like a policy book um and then when you're talking about
01:14:13.740this engagement piece which is obviously um one of the primary problems people had with this process
01:14:24.300it needs to be will and must not may and should yeah well that was a lot of the debates and i
01:14:33.660think some people kind of played it a little both ways uh if something came up that seemed a little
01:14:37.820controversial they could say well it was just a suggestion in the guidebook but then if somebody
01:14:41.020says we need this done they say oh well we have it in the guidebook well you've got to take aside
01:14:45.740funny you mention that and i'll i'll um again we won't go at it too hard but you heard a lot of
01:14:54.540that in in committee where they would be like this is just just a guidebook it's just a reference
01:15:05.900and then in the actual public hearing sessions and the votes um it was dealt with much more as
01:15:16.220the by-line of policy yeah so almost a deceptive sort of practice in in my view but but uh that's
01:15:25.260what happens when we don't have uh um transparency and again you see you know it's it's hard things
01:15:31.660a mayoral candidates as well they've got to speak to broad issues but they are just one vote on
01:15:35.900council so it's important to ask the council candidates and members to to speak to the
01:15:39.900broader issues as well um i live actually just outside of the city in prittis and there's been
01:15:45.820it's been very controversial with the the county of foothills where i live uh the the regional
01:15:50.780municipal development plan and and uh the committee which is basically uh we feel as as as neighbors
01:15:58.220of the city to be in rocky view has been feeling the same like we're getting kind of bullied and
01:16:01.900pushed around by city planners um and and having development standards imposed upon us that that
01:16:07.660are more fitting for an urban environment uh i'm not sure if this is much of an issue you've looked
01:16:11.900into but where would you land on i guess dealing with your your rural neighbors uh if you were
01:16:16.540council well even if you look at this adam it's the same sort of issue we're having at the council
01:16:26.060level we're working against each other rather than together and it's the same with these uh rural mds
01:16:36.700where they're saying planning at least is saying you got to do it calgary's way or the province
01:16:45.820doesn't move forward whereas what works here in a city of a million people
01:16:52.380obviously doesn't translate to Rocky View or places like Piretis and we're missing potential
01:17:05.540solutions to things like I've heard from some of my Ward 12 guests like the orphaned
01:17:17.320Wells over in Ward 12 where the smaller MDs have proposed some emergency preparedness
01:17:28.860measures and we're ignoring them because we feel like we know best and even going back
01:17:38.900to the guidebook it seems to be a syndrome that calgary has where it's this very top-down mother
01:17:48.740knows best attitude yeah and it just i'm hoping to see some more cooperative approach i mean the
01:17:56.820the counties we can't dig our heels in and stubbornly say okay that's it you guys you
01:18:00.820know we don't want to hear anything you want to do i mean the reality is the city's growing
01:18:04.740eventually there's going to be new land taken and expropriated and we're going to be neighbors
01:18:08.900We have to face that and there's got to be a little bit of give and take.
01:18:13.100I just haven't seen, I've just seen a lot more taken than giving these days.