Western Standard - The Cory Morgan Show June 7, 2021

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00:02:30.000 Hey there, good morning. Welcome to the Cory Morgan Show, Monday, June 7th. We got a good

00:02:41.840 one today. In a little while, I'm going to have Clinton DeVoe come on. He's going to

00:02:45.520 talk, you know, we usually go on about federal politics, but this time we're going to be

00:02:48.900 talking about, it seems to be a trend actually, of UFOs being reported and spotted by military,

00:02:55.540 by commercial pilots. This has been happening for a lot of years, actually, and these reports now

00:03:00.940 are becoming public. We're seeing more of it coming out of the States and we're seeing it

00:03:03.660 out of Canadian documents and records. Now, whether or not it's Little Green Men from Mars

00:03:09.780 is questionable or doubtful, but really there is something going on. These guys are seeing things

00:03:14.940 and some of the questions are actually, is this a safety issue? Are there things that are putting

00:03:20.520 people at risk while they fly? So that's going to be a different sort of conversation. We'll get

00:03:24.520 away from our usual political ranting that I typically have with Clinton, though there'll be

00:03:30.520 lots of politics on today as well. I'm going to have Greg Renouf come on after that. I'm not sure

00:03:36.900 if you're familiar with him on social media. He's been very busy over the years. He reports on

00:03:41.320 protesters, protests, almost like a Canadian Andy. No, in a sense, but he doesn't get right in and

00:03:48.760 get beaten up, as poor Andy did, but he tracks these protests, these protesters, he reports on

00:03:54.940 on social media, because there's a lot that goes on that the mainstream media barely touches with

00:03:59.280 these extremists and these lunatics that block legal developments and projects. So we've been

00:04:05.420 hearing a little bit of news from the Ferry Creek protests that are going on in BC, where they're

00:04:09.380 trying to do a logging project on Vancouver Island. Good old Tezora Berman, now that she's

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00:08:03.180 Western Standard, all one word. So before I get into, yes, talking about the UFOs, what's this,

00:08:10.460 Ruthann? A year ago, people said they would use UFOs to explain the rapture of Christ followers.

00:08:17.480 That's an interesting one. If we see the people going up in rapture, they could appear as UFO

00:08:23.860 that would be uh one explanation of things i guess and then that's some of the fun you know

00:08:29.040 so be sure to comment they'll bring things in as a with when it comes to ufos we've got a whole lot

00:08:33.380 of theories and people with uh ideas on what those might be let's have a discussion let's talk about

00:08:40.080 it you know are they aliens is it rapture is it uh governments testing out new aircraft um

00:08:45.360 there are a number of things it could be and uh let's chat about it so i mean i you know and i

00:08:53.720 wanted to start out, I get tired of beating on Jason Kenney. It's just that the man can't seem

00:09:02.500 to get it together. I guess when you take the big chair, you're going to take some of the troubles

00:09:06.080 that come with it, but I can't help. I've got to address it again. I mean, things are looking

00:09:09.880 really ugly. It just keeps developing. We're clearly going into an outright caucus revolt now.

00:09:17.380 Before we'd seen, okay, Drew's been uncomfortable. Drew Barnes has been

00:09:21.300 under, uncomfortable under Jason Kenney's leadership for some time. So that wasn't that

00:09:24.200 shocking. Todd Lowen, you know, more restrained, but it has always certainly been a small C

00:09:31.780 conservative of the Wildrose bent. Not too shocking. But now we've got Leela here coming

00:09:36.280 out. That's a senior cabinet minister, critical of Premier Kenney's actions and behaviors,

00:09:42.580 as well as Rajan Sawney. He's another cabinet minister. And then now just breaking,

00:09:48.500 We have Richard Gottfried has resigned as caucus chair.

00:09:52.780 That's the second caucus chair.

00:09:54.420 Todd Lowen was the last one in protest of Jason Kenney's leadership,

00:09:59.640 particularly on the hypocrisy of the Sky Palace incident.

00:10:03.280 You know, I just, I want to be positive with you guys.

00:10:07.100 I was looking forward to the opening.

00:10:08.180 Things were looking good.

00:10:09.540 You know, we've been beating on you guys all winter.

00:10:11.640 And, hey, you've given us lots of stuff to beat you over the head with.

00:10:14.560 But, hey, you know, let's celebrate having a good summer coming,

00:10:16.800 maybe get some recovery uh you know get get your feet under you start perhaps beginning to become

00:10:22.160 the government that you campaign to us that you would be and no no it's just one reactive crisis

00:10:28.640 to another so the sky palace thing of course everybody watching is familiar with it you know

00:10:35.600 people politicians often as well they underestimate what symbolism can do how powerful symbolism is it

00:10:42.640 It can tear you down.

00:10:43.640 The people dismissing and saying it's just minor.

00:10:45.440 Hey, you went out with 10 people in your patio, you know, at home last week perhaps or something.

00:10:50.860 Yeah, okay, but your average person isn't telling everybody else to lock down.

00:10:54.780 Your average person hasn't made it illegal for other people to do business.

00:10:58.420 They haven't made it illegal for people to go to church.

00:11:01.080 They haven't made it illegal to sit down at a bar with a friend and have a drink.

00:11:05.580 The Kenny government did.

00:11:07.460 Now, it's debatable as to whether or not they should have illegalized that.

00:11:10.240 That's a whole separate discussion too.

00:11:11.700 I certainly think they've locked down far more and there's not much evidence that these lockdowns have really been that effective.

00:11:17.540 But if you're going to go through those actions, you've got to walk the bloody talk and to be seen of all places.

00:11:25.440 Like, do you guys come up with things to shit yourselves in the feet?

00:11:29.400 What more elitist spot could you possibly comprehend than the Sky Palace to be seen with a white tablecloth, table service meal you're having out on the patio for an afternoon?

00:11:42.080 People say, oh, it's just a working supper.

00:11:43.520 Look, we don't have working suppers like that.

00:11:45.620 That, again, is where you're forgetting what your average person is dealing with right now.

00:11:50.380 Our bosses, if we're working at all, aren't giving us table service on a patio.

00:11:55.440 And lots of people have critiqued it.

00:11:57.120 I mean, it's minor stuff.

00:11:57.900 I don't think they're putting people at risk.

00:11:58.880 people are going to die, but they were getting up, coming, going. They weren't masking. I mean,

00:12:02.500 they've been kind of cherry picking on which rules were and weren't broken.

00:12:07.080 Not a huge deal in the whole scope of things, but it's a massive deal in the optics

00:12:12.400 and in the impression and just in the feel. And it's cost them dearly, not only them doing it,

00:12:20.900 but the response, no apologies. We did nothing wrong when we could see that they did something

00:12:26.500 wrong. I mean, guys, it's the age of video. We see it. We saw the pictures. We feel you did something

00:12:33.720 wrong. Don't tell us we saw something else. Now that just pisses us off more. Kind of brings to

00:12:39.860 mind way back to the, you know, date myself a little in the early 90s when, you know, the video

00:12:44.840 things really started with that horrific Rodney King beating where that poor man was just beaten

00:12:49.380 half to death on the street and somebody videotaped it and it went out to the world. But as if that

00:12:53.920 wasn't horrifying enough, all of the officers who took part in that beating were acquitted.

00:13:00.320 And that, again, is when all the apologists and excuses came out and said, no, no, you see,

00:13:05.520 your eyes deceived you. You did not see cops misbehaving. They obviously didn't deserve the

00:13:09.640 charges. We should let them go. Well, people didn't accept that and LA burned for it. And

00:13:14.900 it was horrible. Don't tell us our eyes are deceiving us. Fix your crap. Get it together,

00:13:20.900 you guys. I just don't know what else you guys can do to sink yourself. So, and I'm not the only

00:13:29.600 one who feels this, and you know, don't get too worked up with me about it, but your caucus is

00:13:33.080 feeling it, Premier Kenney, obviously. I mean, how out of control is it getting when cabinet ministers

00:13:38.700 are now critiquing you? They're not calling for your resignation yet. You know, something else

00:13:44.360 interesting out of Leela, one of the things Kenney's been lacking, he really has been a contender

00:13:48.580 for the throne so far. I'm just going to guess here. And my guess, though, is that Leela's got

00:13:55.620 aspirations. She's an ambitious lady. And, you know, if Kenny's out of the way, there's going 0.99

00:14:03.220 to be a leadership race. And whether or not I'm barking up the wrong tree or not with that,

00:14:10.380 I suspect there's a little bit of that going on. So that's going to change the whole dynamic for

00:14:14.280 Kenny too. This has gone now from grumbling backbench MLAs to outright critical cabinet

00:14:21.400 ministers criticizing the premier. He is in a lot of trouble. And what we're going to see now,

00:14:28.020 if they're starting to feel confident that Kenny is going to be pulled out of that leadership role

00:14:31.660 within six months, a year, is the unofficial backroom leadership jockeying is going to start.

00:14:37.260 And that's it. He's done. I mean, caucus will all be focused on building their alliances,

00:14:42.720 making their plans and trying to figure out who they're going to replace Kenny with.

00:14:47.280 Leela here, she's one of the more progressive in caucus, to say the least. But I mean, that may be

00:14:55.580 the way that some people might want to go with things. That's something that's interesting too.

00:14:59.640 Most of the critique of Jason Kenny from within the caucus has been coming from the more right

00:15:05.900 leaning end of it. Now it's coming from the left. He's getting it from both sides. The UCP

00:15:12.300 government is in grave, grave trouble. I don't know. I'll leave it at that. We'll move on to

00:15:19.560 some more hypocrisy. Kenny's certainly got no monopoly on it. An interesting thing to watch

00:15:25.580 over the last week, old Justin Trudeau was jaunting around the planet. He was out in the

00:15:31.760 UK. I don't know if he's returned yet or if he's about to return. But there's a couple of things,

00:15:38.480 And it's in Justin's power.

00:15:42.480 It's in Trudeau's ability.

00:15:44.100 There are a couple of things, one of which is people are saying, why won't you open the bloody American border?

00:15:48.180 They're not putting us at risk.

00:15:49.380 Come on.

00:15:49.800 I mean, they're doing far better than we are, ironically, even though they've opened up much earlier, which gets back to how effective these lockdowns are.

00:15:57.480 So we're all stuck at home.

00:15:59.060 We can't travel.

00:16:00.040 We can't do anything.

00:16:01.160 He's got government business that apparently he couldn't do with a Zoom call.

00:16:04.180 So he flies overseas.

00:16:05.320 but the most jolly of all is he comes back and we've been locking people up in quarantine hotels.

00:16:12.020 We've had issues. Literally a woman was sexually assaulted in one of these quarantine hotels

00:16:19.740 and this is what we're being enduring and Justin's coming back and he's not staying in the quarantine

00:16:25.620 hotel. He's going to a separate little spot away from everybody else. Now I understand that you

00:16:29.780 can't stick a sitting prime minister in a super eight, but he should stay in the same bloody

00:16:34.780 hotel as the rest of us. If he's going to go through that, even if you've got our paid security

00:16:39.560 to stand outside the door and make sure nobody comes in and harms you. So the hypocrisy of that

00:16:44.560 is pretty bloody galling as usual. Hypocrisy always is galling, but we've got that coming

00:16:51.280 from the Trudeau government. So Michelle Ripple put a motion forward trying to push to have Trudeau 0.98

00:16:56.800 stay in one of the hotels like the rest. I don't think it'll happen, but at least it does put them

00:17:03.980 on the spot and expose a bit more of just how ugly things are getting. More of that do, as I say,

00:17:10.920 but not as I do. We really got to start firing these people. Really got to get on it. So I see

00:17:17.960 Clinton there in the lobby. Let's get on away from hypocrisy and get on to the never controversial

00:17:24.520 subject in a nice simple one of ufo sightings because you know how passive could that be how

00:17:31.020 you doing clinton good after good morning i should say to uh your viewers in western canada how are

00:17:37.800 you today good thanks yeah i should remind everybody who haven't if you haven't seen

00:17:41.500 clinton on here before he's coming to us from uh nova scotia uh again we usually am on talking

00:17:47.680 about uh the the federal politics but we'll give that a break for a day i've been beating on kenny

00:17:52.720 we always beat on O'Toole. We'll let O'Toole have a day off. And let's talk about what you brought

00:17:58.340 to my attention. You know, there's been a series of Vice articles. I explained it a little bit in

00:18:02.760 the show opening. We're hearing that the state side, we're hearing it here, is all these reports

00:18:07.100 of UFOs, particularly with commercial airliners and some military ones. What do we got going on

00:18:12.720 out there, Clinton? Yeah, so look, first of all, I just want to let your audience know that this

00:18:19.240 is not really a discussion about little green men from Mars when we're talking

00:18:24.220 about UFOs we're literally talking about unidentified flying objects and so one

00:18:32.440 of the concerns is there's this great journalist in Canada that you touch base

00:18:35.860 on his name is Daniel Otis and he's written a series of articles for vice

00:18:40.540 and he's been interviewing various people connected to the Canadian

00:18:47.380 commercial airline industry and digging up reports and military personnel and all of that kind of

00:18:54.920 stuff and so what he's uncovered is that over x number of years there have been some really close

00:19:04.320 calls where for example an airline that you're very familiar with in Alberta WestJet where they

00:19:12.120 have reported on multiple occasions in british columbia and saskatchewan and manitoba where

00:19:18.840 cabin crews call air traffic control and say hey you know something has dropped down from

00:19:25.320 60 70 80 000 feet above us and whatever this object is it's zigzagging uh back and forth

00:19:35.160 in sort of uh you know dangerous directions and obviously you know cabin crews and airlines their

00:19:42.520 their number one job is to ensure that people like you and myself and your audience that we

00:19:49.400 get from point a to point b safely and the last thing we want in canada is a potential mid-air

00:19:59.080 collision and so you know there's been uh another airline uh porter airlines uh it's obviously it's

00:20:07.320 a smaller airline that's based out of ontario out of the toronto area and they were so concerned

00:20:14.520 that they actually had to take evasive maneuvers and their cabin crew ended up getting injured

00:20:23.720 in the process in order to avoid hitting uh another one of these ufos an unidentified flying

00:20:32.120 object and we've seen the same reports come out of air canada all thanks to daniel otis

00:20:38.920 and look this past week i've sent out uh some communications uh some email requests

00:20:49.880 to members of parliament uh in our nation's capital uh and there are three committees in

00:20:55.960 particular so one of them and forgive me i'm reading this off of a piece of paper because

00:21:00.440 this is all new kind of information to me yeah so uh one of them is called the national security

00:21:07.400 and intelligence committee of parliamentarians and i wrote to this committee as well as the

00:21:14.680 standing committee on public safety and national security and a third committee the national

00:21:21.880 committee on transport and so what i did was i sent each one of our elected members of parliament

00:21:29.160 that are on these three respective committees a link to uh this story that daniel otis had written

00:21:36.280 on commercial airlines uh getting into some potential collisions with unidentified flying

00:21:42.600 objects and you know i said look as a as a concerned uh private citizen in this country

00:21:49.720 who flies commercial airlines on a regular basis um you know i would like to know what you are doing

00:21:59.560 to ensure that our skies are safe that the chances of a mid-air collision are minimized

00:22:05.960 and uh our our various government departments sharing information with you and so that's what

00:22:14.520 caused me to reach out to you cory and i thought you know what i'll mention this to you because

00:22:19.060 uh commercial uh you know air uh transport safety you know that passenger safety this is a really

00:22:29.320 important issue there are thousands of aircraft flying over canada like from other countries

00:22:35.300 around the world from within canada every day 24 hours a day during normal uh you know uh pre and

00:22:43.620 post pandemic times if you will um so you know i consider this to be something that our mps should

00:22:51.860 be made aware of and um look i'll give you another example again this is from these reports that that

00:22:59.620 I had read from this journalist so there was a Boeing 747 so for your listeners

00:23:06.640 that may or may not know a Boeing 747 is like the it's either the first or second

00:23:13.600 or third largest airplane in the world and depending on its configuration

00:23:19.540 whether it's carrying cargo for example or let's say it's just carrying nothing

00:23:25.480 but passengers you know you can have 520 people on board one of these airplanes and uh do we wait

00:23:33.660 until there's a mid-air collision or some sort of really serious disaster before uh our elected

00:23:43.240 officials and our security and defense officials take this issue more seriously and um and so that's

00:23:51.560 what caused me to reach out to you yeah well and it's an interesting subject you know and people

00:23:56.460 have a lot of fun with it I mean it's worthwhile going into the speculation of what all these are

00:24:01.100 the main thing and you said when you talked to me you know was the you we've got to remember these

00:24:04.200 are unidentified it could be any number of things and I would guess that chances are a number of

00:24:09.800 these issues were different objects different things that may or may not have a an explanation

00:24:14.280 that we could find but when we have thousands thousands and thousands of flights per day it's

00:24:19.880 it's a matter of time before something dangerous could perhaps occur if we got

00:24:23.000 things flying through the air we don't know what the heck they are it's worth

00:24:26.720 mentioning it and as you said there why so so little discussion almost secrecy

00:24:31.220 on this issue well look to your point to me that is the real concern is that you

00:24:38.240 know and I'm gonna circle this back again to our elected members of Parliament you

00:24:41.940 know we have these committees that make up multiple political parties across the

00:24:46.080 spectrum that represent our House of Commons the Parliament of Canada and I

00:24:51.780 find it concerning that when a whether it's myself or a journalist like Daniel

00:24:59.200 Otis or whoever asks our MPs basic questions like are you aware of these

00:25:04.000 issues if so how long have you been aware of them what are you doing to to

00:25:10.240 find out more information about this where can we get more information on

00:25:14.320 this and when all you get back is silence i consider that quite worrisome so for example uh

00:25:20.960 one of the things that we've discovered recently and when i say we i mean society as a whole thanks

00:25:27.680 to this journalist um is that if we use norad for example the north american you know air defense

00:25:35.920 folks they don't have to release uh files to access the information requests in canada

00:25:43.920 nor do they have to release anything uh in the united states on freedom of information requests

00:25:50.400 so they can if they choose to but they're not obligated uh under any sort of legislation in

00:25:57.680 either uh the parliament of canada or capitol hill in washington so you know that to me is

00:26:04.560 concerning around this issue um we know for example that nav canada that they have something

00:26:13.360 called the service uh reports which stands for communications instructions for vital sightings

00:26:21.840 or sorry uh yeah for vital sightings so intelligence reports on vital sightings related to commercial

00:26:28.080 aircraft and uh hi mark how are you i'm excellent can you hear me all right we we can hear you

00:26:36.800 can you hear me yeah we hear you okay excellent yeah so uh mark what i was saying was uh

00:26:46.480 oh that's all right so but you know these are some of the concerns that i have uh and then the other

00:26:52.000 thing that that's been uncovered recently is that there has been an unclassified intelligence report

00:26:59.520 that actually links the royal canadian air force with norad transport canada and canadian air

00:27:06.800 traffic controllers that are it's essentially a canadian ufo alert system and again we're not

00:27:13.280 talking necessarily about little green men from mars we're literally talking about unidentified

00:27:18.720 flying objects um and so the other thing that's worrisome is we know this report this reporting

00:27:26.480 mechanism exists between norad the canadian military the air traffic controllers and yet

00:27:32.560 they're not giving out any information to the public at large uh you know it's we're dependent

00:27:38.320 on a on a great journalist who is dedicating all kinds of time traveling all over the country and

00:27:45.120 meeting with individuals and in fact mark can touch on this i believe he interviewed uh daniel

00:27:51.760 otis on his program recently sure well and i'll introduce mark we i think we've got him there this

00:27:57.120 is mark petroni from uh saga 960 out in mississauga ontario he's come on before as i said with clinton

00:28:04.640 and usually we're busy beating up on poor aaron o'toole today we're gonna you know we're going

00:28:10.320 into uh ufos instead uh so aaron can rest easy today and it's it is a fascinating subject and

00:28:16.240 something that that's been been coming up um and you know people don't really think about so uh

00:28:21.360 mark uh you know you've caught a bit of where where clinton's been speaking and what he's going

00:28:25.280 on and you'd have the other uh journalist on as a guest use it yeah i spoke with daniel uh otis

00:28:31.840 recently uh intelligent guy serious guy somebody who's not prepared to venture into the realm of

00:28:39.600 the woo-woo, like others are. I mean, he is careful, as a lot of journalists are when they

00:28:46.600 venture into the realm of UFOs, unidentified flying objects, aerial phenomena, the rest of

00:28:54.300 whatever you want to call it, because they're worried that their own reputations will take a

00:28:58.000 hit, that they'll be ridiculed by their colleagues. That's one of the reasons why I suspect,

00:29:03.920 gentlemen, that we're not seeing maybe some of the questions that we might have otherwise been

00:29:08.500 hearing from from other members of the media. CTV recently spoke with a high-ranking official

00:29:14.140 south of the border about this issue, and it really didn't go beyond, you know, is it aliens

00:29:20.040 or is it not aliens? You know, there's a lot of serious questions. Many of them have been raised

00:29:24.700 by Clinton over the course of this program, Corey, and that is, you know, how dangerous a

00:29:30.780 threat is this? Now, Clinton and I had a bit of a discussion around this, and I can understand in a

00:29:36.180 way why government doesn't want to go there because as far as we know there's no communication

00:29:41.220 with these things wherever they are from and whatever they happen to be so how do you tell

00:29:45.980 them to pick a lane you know what i'm saying i mean their uh their technology is so far ahead

00:29:52.240 i guess you're hoping that they are into their own self-preservation as much as we are and they

00:29:58.680 don't want to any kind of a mid-air collision as much as we do so they want to be careful hopefully

00:30:06.340 But the idea that we can somehow fix this thing through regulatory action or anything that we can do, I just don't know about that.

00:30:15.900 And maybe that's why governments have been reluctant to open up about this subject, maybe because they feel there really isn't a whole lot that they can do about it besides talk about it and maybe try to converse with other members of the international community, whether it's the United States or our friends in NATO.

00:30:36.140 europe elsewhere china russia you know we could talk to these people about what's going on

00:30:42.780 but beyond that what do you do about it i don't really know yeah well and i i used to fly a lot

00:30:49.020 in my my old work on oil exploration and go around i got a bit i've never been a good flyer i got

00:30:54.460 comfortable with it i accepted it but you know every time you hit a bit of turbulence i was

00:30:58.220 gripping that that seat arm and i uh i was always breathing a sigh of relief once we came to a halt

00:31:04.300 on the tarmac at the end of the flight and yeah to be honest if i was thinking about things flying

00:31:08.860 around that may put me at risk that's going to make me all the more nervous but at the same time

00:31:12.540 i'm not the type of person who likes government uh the concept the government might be hiding things

00:31:17.020 that put me at risk uh for the sake of my own comfort i i think maybe make me a little

00:31:21.260 uncomfortable let me know what's going on out there well look i just want to throw something

00:31:26.060 else in there so in regards to this uh communications uh instructions for vital intelligence sightings

00:31:35.580 that nav canada has uh they're not all like we this journalist has been putting in requests now

00:31:43.740 for goodness knows how long and saying can we see these archives can we see this database we'd like

00:31:50.380 to see what's in here and all this journalist has received is complete silence so nav canada

00:31:57.660 is isn't saying anything um this communication with norad between canada and the united states

00:32:04.380 isn't obligated to release anything to citizens in either country and look look under normal um

00:32:12.380 And like pre-pandemic and hopefully soon, like when COVID stuff has subsided, like I normally fly on a very regular basis, like multiple times a month throughout the year.

00:32:26.620 And I want to know when I climb on board an Air Canada flight or a WestJet flight or a Porter Air, you know, whoever it is, I want to know that when I'm getting on that plane in Halifax or Ottawa or Calgary, wherever I am, that I'm going to land at my destination.

00:32:46.420 And, you know, I consider this worrisome.

00:32:49.520 And so, you know, there are other things going on as well.

00:32:52.700 So, for example, Canada has the National Research Council.

00:32:55.540 So the question, some of the questions I have is, are these committees, these parliamentary committees, as far as I know, they haven't done any public consultation with the commercial airline industry, with the air traffic controllers.

00:33:14.400 You know, what are they not sharing with us?

00:33:18.620 What is it that we should know that we don't know?

00:33:21.480 And, you know, we have a sub sort of government department with the National Research Council, which, you know, uses scientists and this kind of thing to study, you know, various things related to transportation and communications.

00:33:45.180 We have the aerospace research division within there.

00:33:49.460 you know what are we doing here um we've even had american-based airliners flying over canada

00:33:58.840 that have actually reported objects uh you know basically interfering with their their flight path

00:34:06.960 you know you're in a plane and this thing just drops down in front of an airplane

00:34:10.860 what are our members of parliament doing uh so look i'd like to encourage

00:34:16.920 all of your your viewers and listeners to your podcast to contact the national security and

00:34:25.520 intelligence committee of parliamentarians contact the standing committee on public safety

00:34:31.180 and national security and contact the standing committee on transport and say hey we want some

00:34:37.920 answers to these questions it's not good enough to have a wall of silence especially when we're

00:34:42.980 dealing with such an important issue of safety um you know it's unacceptable the same thing with

00:34:51.540 with nav canada you know they should be releasing these files and if it's if it's nothing if it's

00:34:58.340 simply a some sort of a weather phenomenon well that's fine we can all deal with that and we can

00:35:05.620 comfortably travel without any worries if something may happen but if there are or if

00:35:12.100 If there is some sort of physical object, whatever that object is, whether it's a weather balloon or whether it's another aircraft or it's a drone or something else, our government flight agencies, they have a responsibility to ensure Canadians that they will get to the bottom of it and that they will share that information with Canadians at large.

00:35:42.100 And there's another issue on this as well, and this is an issue of national security and defense.

00:35:49.080 So this great journalist, and Daniel touched on this, I believe, with Mark Petroni when he spoke with him,

00:35:56.720 was that there are military bases in Canada that are reporting these sightings on a regular basis.

00:36:03.620 And if this is a foreign government of some sort, whichever government it is, most people would agree that the primary reason that the sovereign state exists is to provide security to the geographical boundaries of the citizens that live within that sovereign state.

00:36:30.940 and so if our military uh isn't doing anything about this then that's also very concerning as

00:36:39.740 well so sorry i didn't mean to hog all of the the air time i'm sure mark you have something to say

00:36:44.280 in youtube court yeah i mean um everything that you say is true i don't know how any regulatory

00:36:50.720 body is going to intervene in a matter where these craft are not anything that we understand or know

00:36:59.640 And I do know that there's a report coming out on June the 25th out of the United States

00:37:06.260 that is supposed to be a massive document dump.

00:37:09.600 And this report hopefully is going to shed some light on what these things are.

00:37:14.760 There's already been a leak.

00:37:16.100 The New York Times published a story recently saying that the only thing the government is going to tell us

00:37:21.500 is that they don't know what these things are.

00:37:24.520 They're not saying they're alien, but they're not saying that they are alien.

00:37:28.800 So in other words, they don't know. All they know is it's not theirs. That's it. That's the one conclusion they have come to. And that's all that's going to come out on June the 25th when these reports come out.

00:37:40.820 I mean, I see no problem with discussing this, but I mean, at the end of the day, if you're worried about UFOs before you get on a plane, nobody's going to guarantee that nothing's going to happen like that before you get on a plane because they don't have that kind of power.

00:37:55.980 Nobody in government, no regulatory body can say, you know, before you get on an airplane, you know, there's a possibility that you may encounter something outside your window that you don't understand or see something that appears to be out of this world.

00:38:12.580 And so, you know, if you're that worried about it, then you shouldn't get on an airplane.

00:38:19.180 There's always going to be risks.

00:38:20.500 Nobody's ever going to guarantee that you're not going to run into some kind of issues, whether it's weather related, mechanical related, or something that we don't even understand.

00:38:29.380 So that's one way to look at it from my vantage point.

00:38:33.020 I don't expect government.

00:38:34.540 I guess that's what I'm saying here.

00:38:35.920 I don't expect government.

00:38:37.220 I don't expect any members of parliament.

00:38:38.640 I don't expect any agency or NAVCAN or anybody else to say to me, we guarantee you that when you get on this plane, that you're going to get off on the other side and everything's going to be fine.

00:38:48.220 I don't expect them to do that because I know that's not something that they can do.

00:38:54.180 They don't have the power to do that.

00:38:56.380 And so, I don't know, that's my take on it.

00:38:59.580 I mean, I'm not saying don't delve into it.

00:39:01.880 Don't ask questions.

00:39:02.920 Absolutely, 100%.

00:39:03.980 We need to find out everything that we can.

00:39:06.280 But then to extend it further, to try and get some kind of guarantees from our federal officials that everything is fine, that these things that pilots are encountering are not from another world and they don't mean as harm.

00:39:20.380 I don't expect our governments or anybody else to make that guarantee.

00:39:24.360 That's my take on it.

00:39:25.400 well one of the things i also want to touch on is that uh this journalist like one of the stories

00:39:32.200 he reported was there was a a jumbo jet flying in the sky and the the pilot and the co-pilot

00:39:39.480 experienced pilot with thousands of hours behind the cockpit they had reported an object dropping

00:39:46.520 down from above 80 000 feet interfering with their flight path then taking off in some crazy

00:39:53.880 direction and according to the pilot he calculated that they were whatever this thing was it was

00:40:00.200 flying somewhere in the vicinity of mach 4. and uh there was some criticism directed at the pilot

00:40:07.560 and the and the co-pilot how would you know what's mach 4 and there are you know there actually is

00:40:13.160 ways to calculate that so experienced military pilots they can actually calculate based off of

00:40:18.520 the altitude that they are from the earth and based off of their air speed that they're going

00:40:22.760 and based off of uh the object that they're seeing and guesstimating an altitude and then

00:40:30.920 timing the altitude or sorry and then timing the the distance that whatever the object is that's

00:40:38.160 moved from a particular point on their radar to another point on their radar they can actually

00:40:44.000 calculate the speed that way now you know i know we're getting into the weeds there but the point

00:40:49.380 is is that if this pilot was correct and that he had seen something moving at Mach 4 look the

00:40:59.400 world's fastest airplane was the SR 71 Lockheed Blackbird which was capable of flying about Mach

00:41:07.800 3.2 so whatever this object was that interfered with a Boeing 747 was flying faster than a than

00:41:16.320 a sr-71 blackbird and so this to me it's not just a matter of uh commercial air passenger safety

00:41:25.680 but it's also a matter of national security uh you know are there objects that are that have

00:41:33.440 controlled flight that are able to out accelerate uh the most sophisticated uh military aircraft

00:41:43.680 uh to be developed in north america and if there is then that tells me that uh you know that we

00:41:51.440 need to do a better job as as canada as the united states as as the the norad body

00:41:59.040 of ensuring that our technology our capability is able to keep up with potential technologies

00:42:07.120 from other nations yeah well i don't think i'm not sure it's other nations we're talking about

00:42:11.760 you that's the problem there was no there was no sonic booms as well i mean this thing dropped

00:42:16.160 80 000 feet and you know a fraction of a second or whatever it was and there was no sonic booms 0.92

00:42:24.160 i mean it's the chinese don't have that technology the russians don't have it i mean let's face facts

00:42:30.320 here um we don't know what it is where it's from but and by all means ask the questions

00:42:36.720 that needs to that need to be asked but i wouldn't expect any answers i guess that's

00:42:42.640 you know what i mean like it's like it's like an ant saying well i really don't like the way

00:42:48.260 that elephant over there is walking over me and i think we should raise the issue with somebody

00:42:53.020 i mean there is nothing who do you talk to do you raise it with the federation intergalactic

00:43:00.240 there is no intergalactic federation that you can raise with i mean i don't mean to i don't

00:43:05.440 me to mock this issue but they don't seem to give a shit rats ass what we

00:43:09.740 think it's an area where you know I can understand I don't see any level of

00:43:17.020 government motivated to want to publicly address this on every level you look at

00:43:22.480 it's like Mark said if you don't have an answer well you don't want to stand

00:43:24.580 there and say well yeah there's something happening and yeah we think

00:43:27.340 it's dangerous but no we don't know what it is we can't do anything about it it's

00:43:30.880 nothing they want to say but hold on sorry go ahead oh no i was saying and on the other levels

00:43:37.200 like whether it's an airline too at the same sense okay they've got a concern they want to talk about

00:43:41.440 these things but we don't want to be having our passengers all freaked out all the time when they

00:43:45.360 get on uh and if it is a military thing if indeed there is something going on with a foreign nation

00:43:50.960 well that's national security and maybe china did have some bizarre breakthrough or russia or israel

00:43:56.880 or who knows what and they uh don't really want to go into that with the public yet

00:44:01.120 um it's just a pretty big rabbit hole though it's worth still trying to discuss this for sure

00:44:06.080 well look i would argue that uh the reason that we have uh you know military organizations within

00:44:15.360 our respective countries intelligence organizations like look we have access to satellite information

00:44:22.640 we have uh access to air traffic control uh radar information that commercial uh airlines use

00:44:32.080 every minute of the day 365 days of the year uh i would argue that the first step to uh

00:44:40.800 to finding a solution to this potential problem is to actually gather all of that data you know

00:44:47.600 it's to gather that radar data it's it's to gather that satellite information and bring some of our

00:44:54.000 brightest minds together within our intelligence community within the private sector within the

00:44:59.360 academic setting and to figure out what it what are these things that are interfering with

00:45:05.920 commercial air traffic and which are potentially threats to our national security and i i don't

00:45:14.240 think i don't and i agree that look we'll never get to the bottom of it if if we don't ask the

00:45:21.600 questions but i think yeah we we can't dismiss to be honest even if it's a launch of these when you

00:45:28.080 got secretism secretiveness then you do have speculation is going to come up and and i don't

00:45:34.240 think you can fully dismiss that this might be something from out there i mean we're pretty vain

00:45:38.000 to think that in an infinite universe we're the only ones here though we might be a little vain

00:45:41.760 think we're worth bothering with if any other uh alien life form comes up with the technology to

00:45:46.560 get here maybe that's why they just kind of poke in they have a look and say these aren't worth

00:45:50.000 bothering with and they leave again but uh you know it's an area i mean the u is an unknown

00:45:56.480 and uh that means you can't really rule anything out any more than you can point at something

00:46:01.280 definitively and say what it is we just know something is going on yeah and it's pretty and

00:46:07.280 it's weird who knows how far this rabbit hole goes you know to what degree are uh abductions

00:46:15.840 alleged alien abductions real we've been hearing about these for years the fact that people

00:46:21.760 claim they've been used as lab rats by things we don't understand and so

00:46:28.560 So whatever these things are, assuming they exist, they don't seem to care too much about whether we're bothered by what they're doing or not any more than insects are when we put them in a jar or take a frog and dissect it.

00:46:48.920 Look, I get that. But I mean, surely we can all agree that when journalists ask our elected officials that are on these respective committees connected to national defense and security to commercial air traffic.

00:47:09.940 I mean, surely there's an obligation on the part of our members of parliament to actually respond and to actually ask questions.

00:47:18.580 I mean, we elect individuals, right?

00:47:21.100 Like the bureaucracy.

00:47:22.300 I mean, assuming for a minute that the answer is, I don't know what these things are.

00:47:27.920 We don't know where they're from.

00:47:30.380 And that's it.

00:47:31.660 We don't know.

00:47:32.620 We've never spoken to these things.

00:47:34.660 We've caught them on radar.

00:47:36.180 We've seen pictures of things we don't understand.

00:47:39.040 But assuming that it hits that point and it doesn't go any further, then where do you go from there?

00:47:43.860 But no, but hold on a minute.

00:47:45.020 This is my point.

00:47:45.880 look we as citizens right we don't work for the bureaucracy right the our elected officials work

00:47:56.560 for us and the bureaucracy works for the elected officials in response to us yeah so clearly our

00:48:04.940 elected officials have some responsibility to reach out to the national research council to

00:48:10.860 reach out to the Canadian Air Force you know to reach out to the air traffic

00:48:16.500 controllers to reach out to the aerospace research division within the National

00:48:21.780 Research Council and to what end Clinton what are you expecting to get out of

00:48:26.460 these bodies they're hiding something no they can do something they can get on

00:48:33.580 the horn and call you know the Klingons and say hey you guys pick along pick a 0.50

00:48:38.760 lane no i'm just i'm just honestly asking what are you expecting to get back from these people

00:48:43.640 well i mean the first thing i would like to see them do is ask questions to these various uh

00:48:49.160 bureaucratic uh agencies what information that they have that they can share with our members

00:48:56.040 of parliament i mean that's the first thing and the second thing is if they come back to our

00:49:00.200 members of parliament and they say well we don't have anything and you know we've never bothered

00:49:04.680 to look at what object a is that's interfering with a boeing 747 flying at 40 000 feet well

00:49:13.000 surely our elected representatives can then instruct the bureaucracy to gather data to

00:49:19.480 collect information to come up with a hypothesis to analyze what whatever this is they've been

00:49:26.760 looking at it for years and as far as i know they don't know what it is i mean they they might know

00:49:31.240 things that we don't know they might be hiding stuff maybe they're saying well look there's no

00:49:35.800 point telling the public this stuff because it's just they're just going to get alarmed and at the

00:49:40.840 end of the day there's nothing we can do about it but i agree with you ask the question but i'm just

00:49:45.960 trying to imagine once you get an answer back from people that say all right yeah we we know things

00:49:53.320 are out there we don't know what they are where they're from and we don't know what to do about

00:49:57.320 it then what well then then one of the things i guess you could say i mean if there is a valid

00:50:02.760 concern i mean to get uh back to it though i mean that one report did have two uh flight attendants

00:50:07.960 get injured uh you know there was a risk um maybe i i don't know i again i always get nervous about

00:50:14.200 talking to asking government to strike more committees or investigations but perhaps it's worth

00:50:18.840 getting a few of them even if they say we don't have an answer but we'll gather these five people

00:50:23.800 and give a modest budget and task them in the next three months

00:50:26.440 to actually dig into this, though,

00:50:28.160 so we can see whether there is an answer or a hazard or a risk going on.

00:50:31.720 Because otherwise, it'll be people like us speculating about it.

00:50:35.180 Yeah, I think, you know, it has dawned on me,

00:50:38.040 just listening to you there, Corey, and Clinton,

00:50:41.540 you know, maybe one of the reasons why these organizations

00:50:44.080 have not been very forthcoming about what they know

00:50:46.800 is that once they give us what they know,

00:50:50.600 which is, yeah, we've seen this and we've seen that,

00:50:53.800 then people are going to demand the very things that Clinton is demanding from these people,

00:50:58.300 which is, well, what are you going to do about it?

00:50:59.980 And they know that there's nothing that they can do about it.

00:51:03.000 All they can do is observe, because we don't have the technology or anything else to be able to communicate or to stop what is going on.

00:51:15.600 Assuming that it's something that we don't understand, even from an intergalactic vantage point,

00:51:21.060 at the end of the day, there really is nothing we can do about it.

00:51:23.680 and so maybe these various bodies regulatory governmental and military know there's nothing

00:51:30.560 they can do about it so they keep the stuff to themselves because they know that the that at the

00:51:36.240 end of the day they are powerless to do anything about it and they don't have to deal with that

00:51:40.720 from a public that's going to be demanding action well look i mean to corey's point we have we know

00:51:47.680 we have agencies that are connected to science to aviation to security they these agencies exist

00:51:56.000 and we pay them so i mean corey like i would argue that there's nothing wrong with asking

00:52:03.280 departments the bureaucracies that work for us already that are employed by us

00:52:09.360 to look after these issues to ask them what is it that you know you know and if you know nothing

00:52:16.000 Can you help us find answers to some of these questions?

00:52:21.080 I mean, do we wait until, God forbid, a Boeing 737 flying from Halifax to Calgary is involved in a midair collision?

00:52:30.060 Is that when every journalist across Canada starts asking questions?

00:52:36.520 Do we wait for something like that to happen?

00:52:39.520 Or do we start asking questions before something were to happen?

00:52:42.080 I think there's a way to avoid a mid-air collision with a UFO.

00:52:47.920 You think that there's – tell me, what would be the preventative measures for that?

00:52:53.600 Well, look, I'm not an expert on this matter.

00:52:56.500 I'm not a pilot.

00:52:57.340 What would be the preventative – apart from not flying, I mean, how would you ever ensure that something like that wouldn't happen?

00:53:06.800 Okay, well, I'll give a quick example.

00:53:08.760 Let's say, for example, that there's 100 cases that are reported, let's say, hypothetically, every year to the air traffic controllers of Canada.

00:53:24.540 And of those 100 cases that happen every year, let's say, hypothetically, that 50 of them happen in one particular geographical footprint.

00:53:34.620 Let's say they happen above the border of Manitoba and Ontario at an altitude of, let's say, 35,000 feet.

00:53:47.900 And we know that there's a recurring pattern where it's happening every X number of days at a particular altitude over a particular geographical footprint.

00:53:58.400 Well, we could instruct our aviation authorities to, you know, we could then look at that data and say, you know what, let's avoid this piece of airspace on these particular days to minimize a potential risk.

00:54:17.660 So you're saying a UFO no-go zone.

00:54:20.880 So we say this area of Canada has a UFO no-go zone.

00:54:27.060 We're relinquishing that to the aliens.

00:54:29.960 No, I'm not saying aliens at all.

00:54:32.760 What I'm saying is let's say there's somebody on the ground that's releasing weather balloons like some other agencies.

00:54:39.820 I think if they were weather balloons, we'd know about it.

00:54:42.640 I mean, we could deal with weather balloons.

00:54:44.520 These things are not behaving like weather balloons.

00:54:47.660 but what i'm saying is we don't know if it's a weather balloon and i'm using that as an example

00:54:56.120 like if we know that there's something in a particular piece of airspace well that gives

00:55:01.080 us something to investigate or to cory's earlier point that allows the the civil aviation authorities

00:55:08.700 to say you know what let's avoid this for because of the threat of a mid-air collision

00:55:15.220 But to simply stick our heads in the sand and say we're not going to look at this.

00:55:18.760 A UFO hotspot, don't go there.

00:55:20.360 Avoid UFO hotspots.

00:55:22.660 So planes would be instructed to avoid certain areas.

00:55:23.980 Yeah, well, again, when we see UFOs, like for your audience,

00:55:28.100 we're talking about unidentified flying objects.

00:55:32.640 I know.

00:55:33.060 That's what a UFO is.

00:55:34.320 But that's fine.

00:55:35.080 Okay, so I asked you for a preventative, and you've offered me one.

00:55:39.600 That's an interesting suggestion.

00:55:41.100 I never thought of that.

00:55:41.880 UFO no-go zones, I would never recommend something like that, but at least it's a suggestion.

00:55:51.740 It's something. I mean, again, to look into it, though, I mean, to Clinton's point a bit,

00:55:55.920 if there's patterns, if there's areas, like if we could get a little more communication on what

00:55:59.500 these reports are, perhaps there's something we could start investigating, or perhaps it gets

00:56:04.480 back to not seeing anything. The one thing that seems to be a pattern, though, I guess, is this

00:56:08.040 always at a high elevation like uh one of the things that made bigfoot disappear in the ogopogo

00:56:14.520 and the loch ness monster was the proliferation of smartphones because suddenly you know you would

00:56:19.720 think when we've got billions of people with a camera in their hand all the time we'll finally

00:56:23.480 be able to prove all these things and they've all vanished uh you know the so these whatever these

00:56:29.080 items are though they we're not getting an increase in in um you know people seeing it from the ground

00:56:35.720 or while they're traveling or at the beach this is predominantly among pilots and other aircrafts i

00:56:40.360 guess yeah i mean i don't want you to think that i'm suggesting we do nothing except just shrug

00:56:45.400 our shoulders and say well that's the way it is i'm not saying that and and what i am saying is

00:56:51.640 yeah by all means monitor by all means observe and report observe and report right uh and let

00:56:59.400 us know what the hell's going on and stop treating us like children you know that our regular if our

00:57:03.560 regulatory bodies if our military knows things they should absolutely level with the people

00:57:08.600 and not treat us as if we're too stupid to understand or that we can't handle the truth

00:57:14.920 okay so i'm all in favor of observing and reporting i guess my expectations of being

00:57:20.760 able to do anything about any of these sightings pretty much ends there i don't i don't think

00:57:26.680 there's anything we can do it's been going on for decades well hold on i'll give another example so

00:57:32.040 to go back to the idea of potential patterns okay yeah well just similar sorts of things so let's

00:57:39.240 say for example that by figuring out a particular pattern and by gathering satellite uh data and

00:57:47.560 radar data and all of this kind of stuff that they go you know what there is someone in toronto let's

00:57:53.880 say that is flying drones aerial photography drones you know within a

00:58:01.260 certain distance of whatever air traffic it is well we may be able to actually

00:58:08.160 figure out the day in the time and then we could actually actually I hate to say

00:58:15.060 but we could send authorities to visit whoever this person is and to say to

00:58:19.800 to that person you know what we understand you want to use your drone that's perfectly fine we're

00:58:25.800 okay with that the problem is is where you're using this drone you're directly interfering

00:58:31.800 with a passenger aircraft but that's not a ufo though that is an identified flying object we

00:58:38.800 know what that is and we know that there are people involved i'm talking about things that

00:58:43.700 we don't know that are being reported. And the other thing is that these sightings have been

00:58:50.600 around military sites. So a lot of times they've been reported around missile silos, for instance.

00:58:56.960 There have been reports that these things have actually, and I don't know if you believe it or

00:59:01.220 not, but they come from on high, that they've actually turned off missiles. They've actually

00:59:06.440 turned off like nuclear missile sites.

00:59:11.480 They've actually, and then it precipitated communication

00:59:13.800 between then President Reagan and the Soviet Union

00:59:19.080 because there was threats of war that came out of that.

00:59:22.960 So Reagan and whoever it was at the time,

00:59:27.240 Gorbachev or whomever, had to communicate with each other

00:59:30.640 and say, do you know, you guys, are you guys doing this?

00:59:33.820 Because if you are, stop it.

00:59:36.440 And they're saying, no, we thought you were doing it to us.

00:59:40.580 So that's handy.

00:59:42.680 I mean, that kind of communication is important.

00:59:44.940 And I'm getting up against the clock here.

00:59:47.000 But I mean, something to Mark's point, though, is that, yeah, this has been happening.

00:59:51.600 There might be some high atmosphere things that happen that we still just haven't figured out quite yet, you know, since the 70s, 80s, military aircraft getting to higher elevations.

01:00:00.960 But, you know, I'm just glad you came on.

01:00:04.420 We can talk about something, like I said, a little less political, and it's worth talking about, and it's worth looking into.

01:00:09.180 I appreciate that Clinton actually is communicating with the people, though, and we'll see if we get an answer, you know, that they're valid questions.

01:00:17.840 And we'll, you know, again, I think the part of the problem is it's probably unlikely to get an answer, but you'll never find out without asking.

01:00:24.420 That's very true.

01:00:26.040 So I'll let you guys kind of wrap up here.

01:00:28.100 I'm going to get on to Greg and on to some more drier political stuff.

01:00:31.200 But it's refreshing to get away from, you know, the politics now and then.

01:00:35.560 So I appreciate that.

01:00:36.220 Thanks, guys.

01:00:37.160 Well, listen, I'd like to thank you for having me on.

01:00:40.340 And I enjoyed this.

01:00:42.560 And just to wrap this up, to your listeners, I mean, please contact our National Security

01:00:48.800 and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, the Standing Committee on Public Safety,

01:00:54.000 and the Standing Committee on Transport, and ask them these questions.

01:00:57.600 We'll never know unless we ask questions.

01:00:59.980 Very true.

01:01:01.200 An excellent point, Clinton.

01:01:02.820 Thanks, guys.

01:01:03.840 Great job.

01:01:04.280 Great thing.

01:01:05.340 And Mark, you're on Saga 960.

01:01:08.920 That's right.

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01:01:11.120 Check it out.

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01:01:12.640 You can find me on Twitter at Clinton DeVoe.

01:01:15.340 Right on.

01:01:15.840 Thanks a lot, guys.

01:01:16.620 It's always fun getting you on.

01:01:17.660 I'll talk to you later.

01:01:18.640 Thank you.

01:01:22.000 Okay.

01:01:23.140 So, yeah, I know some people got frustrated.

01:01:25.580 We talked about UFOs and things, but there was a valid point, you know,

01:01:29.820 to some degree of that again is there a safety risk is there something going on i mean it doesn't 0.95

01:01:34.220 mean you're speculating necessarily about uh you know living long and prospering as cindy's

01:01:39.500 pointing out or little green men coming but there are real reports there have been real uh incidents

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01:03:07.420 it helps for all of us now i'll get on to greg renew i've spoken to uh greg before in the past

01:03:14.380 um on my podcast with with uh just uh audio there and uh greg has uh as i said before at the start

01:03:23.260 of the show he really is focused and likes covering uh protesters protests those organizations

01:03:29.580 things like that as i've said he's almost like the uh andy no of uh canada in some senses digging

01:03:35.340 into those those things where all you really typically see is a headline and uh don't really

01:03:40.540 get to see a little more on what's actually going on with it. So thanks for joining me today, Greg.

01:03:45.100 Hi, thanks for having me. Apologies for the video quality today. I had a water accident.

01:03:51.260 So, okay. Yeah, I won't go into it, but I've got some laptop issues due to dropping mine on the

01:03:56.700 floor. It's still functional though. We can hear you and that's what's most important. So I appreciate

01:04:01.500 you coming on. I've seen you on Twitter pointing out some things, talking about things. And one

01:04:07.020 has been again we see snippets of in the news and it's been ongoing for quite a while is that the

01:04:12.300 fairy creek logging project um can you lay on lay out a bit of what's what's been happening out there

01:04:19.100 yeah the uh fair creek logging protest started last year and it's a group of what i would call

01:04:25.500 the usual suspects of um anti-logging and environmental groups who set up a camp up near

01:04:32.860 the two First Nations, the Pachidat and the Dididat, who have agreements with the provincial

01:04:41.460 government, and they've signed, and to log the local area. The protesters say it's old

01:04:48.840 growth logging, and that that should be stopped. There's a, I guess there's a lot of different

01:04:54.480 numbers I've heard. They say that many things, there's 1% of old growth logs left, 20% old

01:05:00.260 growth logs left in bc but the interesting part is every part the protesters do they will have

01:05:08.500 a land acknowledgement so they will say we are on the unceded land of the patina and the unceded

01:05:14.340 land of the bd dot and they've gone as far as setting up a teepee on their town they're uh

01:05:21.540 on their protest to show that they are pro first nations there's a couple problems with this though

01:05:26.980 the first is that we don't use teepees in the west coast they use longhouses so they're completely

01:05:33.940 appropriating the culture of the eastern the first nations and bringing it to the west

01:05:38.900 and and the two first nations in question actually want the logging to go on and so

01:05:46.100 the protesters are putting up this show that they are pro-first nations and they are helping the

01:05:52.100 first nations and they're fighting for first nation sovereignty but the truth of the matter

01:05:56.500 is they're actually fighting against them.

01:06:00.660 Yeah, we've seen that before.

01:06:02.500 I mean, that's happened with the coastal gas link line.

01:06:06.820 You know, very controversial on some of the people we found

01:06:09.180 and some of the protests that happened over that in Vancouver and B.C.,

01:06:12.760 people self-identifying as natives, it turned out,

01:06:15.160 that actually weren't even First Nations whatsoever.

01:06:17.500 But, well, I mean, it's difficult.

01:06:20.040 Media won't necessarily ask somebody to back up their credentials

01:06:22.780 on what their genetic background may be.

01:06:26.040 but but we see the first nations identity being abused sometimes for these environmental causes

01:06:31.480 yeah it's been happening a lot more lately than in the past but if you look at the pachi dot first

01:06:37.960 nation is about 290 people in population the dd dot first nations about 350 people

01:06:46.600 and and there's about a thousand people out there protesting against the two

01:06:51.480 and they have thousands of people around the world spending the money they've raised a half

01:06:55.320 half a million dollars so far so not just fighting against the first nation they're

01:07:01.720 crafting the first nation and there's how can a small community of 290 people fight against

01:07:08.440 thousands of people around the world sending money and resources to stop them from earning a living

01:07:15.320 yeah and i noticed they've pulled in some of the usual suspects and uh celebrity fronts uh

01:07:20.040 to come out against this ones who've probably never set foot you know outside of the major

01:07:24.280 centers in Canada if they visited at all. And it's frustrating to watch these things. Like right now,

01:07:29.280 one of the things we're seeing that's impacting cost of living and is harming a lot of people

01:07:32.560 is the high cost of lumber. And I've worked a lot in oil field exploration, things like that,

01:07:40.640 but I traveled a lot. And there was a lot of old growth forest. I mean, none of us want to see it

01:07:44.840 leveled or ruined or turned into a desert or anything. But with responsible harvesting,

01:07:50.040 that we can definitely be utilizing some of these,

01:07:52.660 but these protesters are basically

01:07:54.380 kind of an all or nothing approach on these issues.

01:08:01.400 Oh, you're breaking up.

01:08:02.640 I didn't hear that last part.

01:08:04.400 Oh, that's quite all right.

01:08:05.760 I was saying it's,

01:08:06.780 we're not getting a nuanced approach from protesters

01:08:09.600 when it comes to these logging projects.

01:08:11.440 They're not asking to have logging happen

01:08:14.700 in a different area

01:08:15.920 or they don't feel that it could be done

01:08:18.020 in a responsible way.

01:08:19.080 John Gormley is a radio host.

01:08:21.720 I love out of Saskatchewan.

01:08:22.600 I'm pretty sure he's the one who coined the term.

01:08:24.180 He used to call them paves, which are people against virtually everything.

01:08:28.140 And when you get this group, there's not really any way to reason with them because they're going to oppose any development whatsoever.

01:08:37.240 Do we still have you there, Greg?

01:08:41.700 I might be having some technical difficulties with Greg, I'm afraid, over there.

01:08:46.920 Hopefully he can kind of reconnect and get back in with us here.

01:08:51.420 But for those who have been watching it, yeah, it's an ongoing trend.

01:08:55.460 As I said at the start of the show, you know, Sampora, Berman,

01:08:59.800 I don't know if these are birth names for some of these protesters

01:09:03.400 or if they just get their hippie name later on in life or whatever it is.

01:09:07.280 It's the same old people who show up at these protests.

01:09:10.740 They just won't give any ground.

01:09:12.480 and something of an irony yes these are tend to be uh quite left-wing these are the social justice

01:09:19.120 warriors yet they won't hesitate for a second to appropriate culture as he pointed out they

01:09:23.380 got a teepee on vancouver island you know that is a plains native device uh and and home it has

01:09:30.260 nothing to do with what's going on out there if anybody done it in any other context in fact

01:09:34.140 they'd be canceled rather quickly by the cancel culture bunch but these guys feel i guess if

01:09:38.600 They're saving the world. They're saving the trees and the fluffy bunnies and such that, you know, they're justified in utilizing whatever means are at their disposal.

01:09:48.980 But it's also unfair to the many, many First Nations people who do rely on these projects, who are working on these.

01:09:55.680 I mean, we saw that in the oil field as well. You know, another irony, these social justice warriors, these protesters love to call anybody and everybody a racist.

01:10:05.840 Yet at the same time, they speak for First Nations as if First Nations all are of hive mind, as if they all think the same way, as if First Nations are all just one entity.

01:10:16.120 You know, that bloodline means they're all going to have the same kind of thought.

01:10:18.800 And when you think of it that way, these social justice warriors are actually, that's racism at its most base definition.

01:10:25.200 That's saying if you have these genetics, you automatically think this way.

01:10:29.180 That's absolutely wrong. 0.61

01:10:31.420 And they're using First Nations people as a shield for their actions.

01:10:35.160 which is actually odious and they need to be called out more for this i mean certainly there's

01:10:39.320 some first nation individuals concerned about that logging but you can't say that they're all in the

01:10:43.720 same uh boat like that they obviously aren't some of them want to make a living out there some of

01:10:48.920 them want to see some responsible harvesting of a resource in their area now i think we've got

01:10:54.680 greg back how you doing there greg hi i'm back i'm sorry about that oh quite all right so uh yeah i

01:11:01.560 I was just going on a bit more on how the protesters kind of pull out all the stops and almost a bit hypocritical, as you said, when they take on a cultural appropriation of things like teepees and put up First Nations issues as a shield in front of them.

01:11:15.960 You know, we don't hear enough about the First Nations people are being put out of work when these projects get shut down like this.

01:11:23.120 Yeah, absolutely.

01:11:24.000 It's the same thing happening here that we see happening up in the Wet'suwet'en gas pipeline

01:11:31.360 protests. They're just crushing the local communities and we don't get to hear from the

01:11:37.600 local communities. The media doesn't talk to the people who want the pipeline or the people who

01:11:42.640 want to cut the logs. They only talk to the people who don't. In this case, it's also the politicians

01:11:49.760 which I find particularly disturbing, the Green Party has taken a really large place in this

01:11:56.720 protest. They've had politicians up there. They're making statements of support. The Green Party

01:12:02.160 prides itself on its support of First Nations and support of First Nations sovereignty.

01:12:06.320 I think we may have lost Greg again, I'm afraid. But yeah, the Wet'suwesson issue that Greg brought

01:12:21.320 up was a very similar thing. We're environmentalists, let's dawn to the concept of hereditary chiefs,

01:12:29.320 you know, which again, there's traditions with hereditary chiefs, but they're going to kind of

01:12:38.540 utilize the rules and bend them to whatever their own personal agenda and need is. And they feel

01:12:44.560 justified in doing so as long as they feel it's worthwhile for their cause. Now, in the case of

01:12:50.600 that, with the coastal gas link, I mean, every single First Nations band along that pipeline

01:12:57.660 right away had given consent and permission for development along that line. They were looking

01:13:02.380 forward and are looking forward to, and they're taking advantage of the opportunities that brought

01:13:07.380 them for work, for making a living and things such as that. And I mean, you know, something I

01:13:12.020 wish more media would ask these protesters who get their money from foreign funding quite often

01:13:17.800 from large corporations or organizations or some well-funded people in Canada even,

01:13:24.480 What do they want these people who live in isolated areas to do then?

01:13:28.980 What is their vision? 0.95

01:13:30.080 What do they feel that these First Nations people are going to do to pay their bills? 1.00

01:13:33.660 I mean, hunting and trapping is done. 1.00

01:13:35.160 Sustenance living is done.

01:13:36.340 We're in the modern world, and in doing responsible timber harvesting, there's an opportunity.

01:13:43.240 Greg, do you ever hear these protesters talk about what the plan would be then if these projects that they want shut down actually get shut down?

01:13:50.040 No, but that leads to an interesting thing I've observed. The money that's been raised

01:13:56.160 by the protest is over half a million dollars so far. The money raising is done by a guy

01:14:02.040 named Yogi Shambu, who's a new age guru who teaches like tantric sex courses and such.

01:14:14.200 But he's brought in a half a million dollars. There's been this conversation within the

01:14:18.420 protest of maybe we can rather than fight against the first nation we can take that money we've

01:14:24.260 earned and give it to them and the interesting thing was that the protesters who want to have

01:14:29.620 a protest they don't really care they got really angry they started cutting people off to suggest

01:14:35.300 that they could have positive movements to help the community personally in my opinion they're

01:14:41.540 not there to help the community they're there to help themselves well yeah these protesters came

01:14:47.460 in from outside. I mean, that's an isolated area of Vancouver Island. They don't live

01:14:52.760 in the neighborhood. They came out there with the express purpose of stopping what's going

01:14:56.600 on. I find it pretty insulting to those citizens of those areas and those First Nations people

01:15:02.720 that these outsiders are coming in and telling them what's good for their area and what isn't. 1.00

01:15:06.300 Absolutely. The other thing that I've noticed watching these protests and from my understanding

01:15:14.920 the history of British colonialism is the British didn't take over India, for example, by

01:15:21.480 shooting guns and biting people and killing them. The British took over India by making agreements

01:15:27.400 with disaffected members of communities and bringing them on to be leaders and to elevate

01:15:33.160 people who were on their side. This is exactly the same sort of colonialism that's going on with

01:15:39.000 these protesters. You look, there's mainly two visible locals at the protest from the

01:15:47.800 Pachydat First Nation. There's Bill Jones, who's been called, they call him their spiritual leader,

01:15:55.960 and there's Victor Peter, a young man who's here calling him hereditary chief. There are

01:16:03.240 no hereditary chiefs in the FATCHI.First Nation. That tradition had died. Bill Jones, who's their

01:16:10.840 person they're showing on all of their advertisements and all their promotions,

01:16:16.360 he's not a hereditary chief. And he's being pushed by the protesters and no one is talking to anyone

01:16:25.880 but him the media isn't talking to the people in the first nation

01:16:32.680 but his his um niece who is his spokesperson for him she's actually the indigenous community

01:16:40.200 engagement facilitator for the sierra club so like the sierra club and the ngos are going in

01:16:47.400 the community and they're recruiting people who are disaffected and bringing them on their side

01:16:53.640 and fighting the entire community well and some of these names that you you know you've mentioned

01:17:00.680 and you called them the usual suspects that's the term i use as well uh you can tell that they're

01:17:05.720 familiar with them you know you're familiar with them so you know these names from other protests

01:17:09.960 and in other areas over the years as well haven't you yeah absolutely like one of the more visible

01:17:15.720 protesters there is um barbie arbos and saw arbos they're our father and son team bobby arbos was

01:17:23.560 named on the injunction at the um at the Burnaby mountain protests against the uh the Chinese

01:17:29.720 mountain pipeline we had um Tespora Berman show up for her of um stand.org or stand.earth 0.75

01:17:39.720 to do her traditional arrest we have the same traditional ngos we have the uh stand.earth

01:17:46.760 the bc civil liberties association is helping them

01:17:49.320 Sierra Club, Suzuki Foundation, Wilderness Committee, and it's all the who's who in the

01:17:55.960 same protest that happened across the province. There's a whole industry in this, right?

01:18:01.360 Yeah, and some of the spokespeople at these things, you know, they're well-organized,

01:18:05.220 they're often well-educated, well-funded, but these protests and these encampments,

01:18:10.000 they tend to populate them. We've seen that across the country, whether it was all the

01:18:13.760 back to Occupy or Idle No More or other areas with sometimes some very disturbed or distressed

01:18:20.000 people you see those ones surfacing all over the place too but they don't necessarily even

01:18:23.760 always know what the cause is they just kind of travel from from protest to protest to

01:18:28.000 I guess gain a sense of purpose it's also a lot of fun right setting up a camp in the woods and

01:18:34.960 having a big protest it's a good time there's a lot of people who follow the protest circuit

01:18:40.800 like a party circuit that's very similar yeah and i've seen that from attending you know occupy

01:18:46.800 camps the camp cloud thing they had going on in burnaby for a while till they pushed it too far

01:18:53.120 and even to a degree on the coastal gas link protest sites and we're going to see more of this

01:18:59.040 but is there much will on the part of the authorities to break these things up though it

01:19:03.520 just seems that as much as there seems to be no legal basis for blocking these projects

01:19:08.240 that we can't seem to find the will to just get in and say that's enough guys you've expressed

01:19:12.640 yourself things are moving ahead yeah to be fair to be fair to the rcmp they have a really hard

01:19:20.080 job trying to arrest a thousand people in the middle of nowhere when they're tying themselves

01:19:24.640 up to trees and making it very difficult to be arrested the courts aren't really responding very

01:19:31.680 strongly though and they probably should there are people who are getting arrested and going

01:19:36.240 right back up to the camp. The protesters who put themselves up in the trees or build

01:19:42.480 tripods so they're difficult to be arrested. In America that's treated as an as a aggravating

01:19:49.280 factor in a criminal trial. So people don't make it more difficult to get arrested because

01:19:55.360 that all that effort that the police will have to take to take them down from the tree

01:19:59.520 or to dig them up from the ground is they're held responsible for that but in canada

01:20:06.400 so you get arrested and you go back and you do it again and nobody cares

01:20:11.920 yeah you can't fault the police too much i mean how many times do you want to arrest

01:20:14.960 the same person over again particularly in dangerous arrests and at height and things

01:20:18.640 like that it's funny we saw that with parallel protests uh the the head of alberta greenpeace 0.54

01:20:25.200 and a number of others all went and strung themselves like a bunch of idiotic pinatas

01:20:28.880 off a bridge in Vancouver and they had to do high level, very dangerous rescue work with emergency

01:20:35.360 services officials, taking their time and their resources. They charged all these guys and they

01:20:39.920 dropped all the charges. So who won? You know, I mean, you put emergency personnel at risk,

01:20:46.400 you blocked a major important thoroughfare, but what message does it send it to these protesters

01:20:52.080 that says you can you do have impunity

01:20:56.480 absolutely and the media kind of plays into this too

01:21:00.400 they help out the protesters in getting lower treatment i guess i'm

01:21:04.960 remember that the protesters when they're getting arrested

01:21:09.760 let me jump back a step years ago when i i was in movement i went through

01:21:15.760 training on how to run a protest and a direct action

01:21:20.000 one of the things they teach you in this protest and course is how to get arrested right how to

01:21:27.760 get arrested is not how to put your hands behind your arms and make sure that you do everything

01:21:31.760 properly it's how to scream like a banshee and act like you're being beaten up and roughed and

01:21:37.520 brutalized by the police if you look at some of the videos here of the protests they're doing

01:21:44.640 the same thing they're acting and they're screaming and they're acting like the police

01:21:48.480 are beating them up but they're not and the media just takes that clip of video and shows it

01:21:54.480 and and turns them into heroes

01:21:59.120 yeah that's a frustrating thing

01:22:03.680 okay no problem but yeah it's a frustrating thing the media does take it selectively again if it

01:22:10.320 bleeds it leads let's make this controversial but i i've seen that i watched a case i know exactly

01:22:15.920 what you're talking about in occupy calgary and there was this woman who had warrants and they

01:22:20.240 they took her and they put her into the van and oh the screaming and yelling you'd think they'd

01:22:24.000 snapped half the bones of her body but she was a terrible actress anybody standing there would

01:22:28.880 realize this was a bunch of baloney on her part but the thing was with that the only place you

01:22:33.040 could see it was youtube because the media was all around but none of that made the media's

01:22:37.120 news that night yeah i think half the problem we have here is the media is just not reporting on

01:22:44.560 what's happening properly so we've got a lot of levels of problem you know we're not people aren't

01:22:53.840 quite getting a proper picture and and we aren't perhaps having follow-through with some of these

01:22:58.160 protests i mean it's a right to protest it's a right but eventually that line gets crossed

01:23:02.560 um you know same with hanging off bridges and that i know a bunch of protesters pulled that stunt down

01:23:07.120 in texas too and those texas police had them off of there so fast and they were charged heavily i

01:23:12.160 think they might still be in jail and you know what it hasn't happened since it seems it works

01:23:16.240 if you follow through with charging for these guys yeah i think it would if there was some reason to

01:23:23.280 fear behaving the way they do they would probably not do that so as you've been watching the the

01:23:30.960 protesters and everything in some senses you know the the pandemic really quiet and down uh a year

01:23:35.600 of well the blm stuff exploded so they expended a lot of energy on that last summer because again

01:23:40.400 Again, it's usually the same people at these, just that they latch on to whatever cause is coming month by month.

01:23:46.560 We've got Trans Mountain approaching, you know, this keeps getting in fits and stalls, whatever it gets done or not.

01:23:53.740 But there's some very vigorous opposition to it.

01:23:56.500 Are you seeing other protest groups like getting ready for this year now that they can legally or non-pandemic restriction wise get back out in the streets and start doing what they like doing again?

01:24:06.880 Is there going to be more of this coming soon, do you think?

01:24:08.660 I think there are more protests coming up in the East Coast with the lobsters, the lobster fisheries that seems to be getting ready to heat up again.

01:24:17.660 In Toronto this week, they tore down the statue of Ryerson yesterday.

01:24:22.660 Yeah.

01:24:23.660 At Ryerson University.

01:24:25.660 I don't know if you saw my postings on Twitter, but I found the people who cut the head off bragging about tearing apart the statues.

01:24:33.660 statues and uh arguing that they're going to um start tearing down more statues across the city

01:24:42.300 so i think we're going to be more statue tearing down this year yeah they will keep tearing them

01:24:47.100 down until we do something about it that's the bottom line yeah i was here in montreal when

01:24:52.860 they tore down the um donald statue no one did a thing about it no it's just uh an unfortunate

01:25:01.900 state disorder especially when we're in a year of of attempted recovery but well you know we'll keep

01:25:07.100 an eye on things i guess and uh hopefully some reason can prevail at some time um where can

01:25:14.140 people find you know more information on what you're up to and what you're reporting on because

01:25:18.220 i do appreciate you getting out there because you're you're watching these closely and uh

01:25:22.700 letting us know we don't all have time to cut through the protesters baloney uh we need to

01:25:26.380 just keep up from folks like you helping see what's going on there well for right now there's

01:25:31.900 my um twitter account g renew t-r-e-n-o-u-f uh which i uh put out most of where i'm finding

01:25:41.420 i i'm trying to start another website in the short term but i haven't got to that yet

01:25:45.980 My current website is GenuineWitty.com, G-E-N-U-I-N-E-W-I-T-T-Y.com, which is a good archive of my work in the past.

01:25:58.540 Yeah, you had some great videos there, just to remind people that GenuineWitty, it's a good site.

01:26:04.980 Even if it's past protests, you've got some great work on there.

01:26:08.480 It really helps give people insight into some of these protesters and how it's the same people over and over again and in some of the tactics they use.

01:26:15.980 Yeah, that was the greatest revolution. The greatest thing I learned out of the Occupy

01:26:21.480 movement was it's the same people running the same protest, coast to coast to coast.

01:26:28.380 Just one of my more interesting finds recently is the person I knew from Occupy Toronto who

01:26:35.200 was organizing protests there, she was organizing the lobster sales in New Brunswick. They moved

01:26:44.860 across the country the same people doing the same things yeah well and social media has given them

01:26:49.420 a whole new means to to organize but it also gives us a whole new means to uh expose these guys and

01:26:55.180 in what they're doing so uh we'll keep on them and uh hopefully again we get some rationality

01:27:00.380 as the season progresses there so thanks for joining me greg and uh a lot more people can

01:27:04.620 And we got you there. Thank you. Yeah, you bet. I'll talk to you later. Great. Okay. Thanks.

01:27:19.980 So, yeah, I don't, you know, last year was a summer of protests with BLM, uh, the, the, uh,

01:27:28.060 uh, things with the, the coastal gas link again, the pandemic almost brought that to an end,

01:27:32.840 you know, rather than authorities, I think some authorities were gasping a sigh of relief when

01:27:37.560 they didn't have to intervene with blocked railroad tracks and other issues that were

01:27:43.260 happening across the country. But these protesters don't stop. And as I said earlier,

01:27:47.460 they aren't rational, they aren't reasonable. And we do have to push back on them. As Pamela

01:27:54.120 is saying here, yeah, you know, we're going to see vigilante justice soon. And you know what,

01:27:58.320 if the state doesn't shape up and start doing something about this, then people will get up.

01:28:03.500 And that's dangerous, you know. And I mean, people got on my case because I organized people to go

01:28:07.760 out and potentially go after Camp Cloud to clean it up. That did help prompt the RCMP to go in and

01:28:14.280 do it. They didn't want to. It's a messy, ugly job. As Greg was pointing out, the charges tend

01:28:19.500 not to stick. And, you know, how much time can they dedicate towards it? But we can't just keep

01:28:23.500 letting this go on. We've got to let our economy get rolling here. We've got to quit bending over

01:28:29.960 for these protesters. There's a thousand of them up there in the Ferry Creek area. And yeah,

01:28:34.840 they got half a million dollars. Like this money is pouring into these guys, but a thousand people

01:28:39.780 out of all of Canada, like these are just in the whole scope of things. It's a small minority of

01:28:45.840 extremists, but we let them call the shots and we have to stop doing that. We're all paying

01:28:52.060 a terrible economic price, and it's not good for society. Free expression is one thing, but this

01:28:57.800 chronic undercutting of our industries is hurting people all over the place, and we've got to push

01:29:04.520 back. So Greg's been doing a bit of that. I'm going to finish up here with speaking on the

01:29:11.540 UCP. They've been having a difficult time. As I said, Kenny has got definitely a caucus revolt

01:29:18.780 going on. We'll see if he can manage to quell this or not. It's really not looking very good.

01:29:23.160 But something that again has been coming up is I'm seeing the rhetoric because they've talked

01:29:29.320 about shutting down the Tumir safe injection site in downtown Calgary. And the rhetoric has been

01:29:36.560 heated. The usual activists and arseholes. One professor I saw saying this is the equivalent

01:29:41.660 of Kenny shutting down a COVID testing site. No, it's not. Cut it out. The opioid epidemic

01:29:48.680 is a crisis. It's a big one. And what they didn't overlook, and I said it, I believe on Friday as

01:29:54.700 well, I give credit where it's due. And I had Nenshi jumped in upset about that pending closure,

01:29:58.960 but then said, I looked, he looked farther into it and realized that no, this wasn't known as

01:30:02.940 spite. In fact, there's two more locations are going to be opened to make up for the closure

01:30:08.960 of that one, which will be more appropriate areas. And it's not NIMBYism. It's not minor

01:30:13.520 stuff we're talking about the numbers that are going on in the last year in that area where the

01:30:19.600 safe consumption site was down in beltline calgary the sheldon chubier center police have had a 286

01:30:26.480 rise in calls just that little area you're asking a heck of a lot of citizens residents people with

01:30:32.800 children when you're going to take their neighborhood and flood it with addicts and dealers

01:30:38.080 because that's what happens when you bring these centers in you draw them in

01:30:42.200 They're not buying their drugs from a pharmacy. The dealers follow the addicts, and the dealers

01:30:48.220 are usually scumbags. They're dangerous people, and the addicts are desperate, so they steal

01:30:54.020 things. That's what happens. Now, Kenny, again, I've talked about that in the past. He's looking

01:31:00.020 at getting 4,000 treatment beds to try and reduce the number of addicts, and they've also expanded

01:31:05.060 two more of those treatment centers to make up for what's going to happen when the Schumacher

01:31:09.060 center closes. Because of course, if they do overdose and die, we can't treat them and we

01:31:12.220 can't get them better. We do want to mitigate harm and hopefully get these people back into the world.

01:31:19.200 But the Albertans say one or two good decisions doesn't erase all those harms. No, no, it doesn't.

01:31:25.160 I just like to try and cover a bit of everything. Even I get tired of constantly going on about the

01:31:31.200 harms. There's other parties, we talk to them. I just want to point out sometimes they get things

01:31:37.420 right. And when they do, I want to speak to it when it happens, because I spent so much time

01:31:43.780 on what they're doing wrong. So the one of the other thing they're doing right again,

01:31:50.060 again, better late than never. I don't know. I mean, we've spent a year on it. We'll be spending

01:31:53.920 years talking about it. But the reopening is coming. Too late? Yeah. Well, I wouldn't say

01:31:59.680 too late. I mean, it's got to happen eventually. It could be later. By the sounds of Notley,

01:32:03.440 It would be another six months if she were still in power. So it could be worse, but it could most definitely better. I think we should have been open months ago. We've seen in Texas, Florida, around the world, areas of less vaccination, fewer vaccinations than we do opened up and they were fine.

01:32:18.160 the impact that lockdowns have on pandemic spread are clearly negligible. You see those patterns,

01:32:25.760 you see those graphs when you lay out jurisdictions around the world, some with strong

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01:32:36.880 is pretty much exactly the same. It's just human vanity that makes them think that government can

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Western Standard - June 08, 2021

The Cory Morgan Show June 7, 2021

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