00:19:24.780And again, you know, the climate activists see things in very simplistic terms, and I'm sure that many of them are very well meaning, honestly. I mean, many times I think people on our side tend to sort of bash the climate advocates as if, you know, they're mean or malicious, but I think they're just misinformed and energy illiterate is what I basically call them. And most people are energy illiterate.
00:19:50.220It took me four or five years to learn what I know today about the power grid, and I don't even know enough to make, you know, professional comments on it, of course.
00:20:58.080So Kent said, you know, if you use 80 kilowatt hour battery, which is the standard today,
00:21:04.980and you said that all of them would need at least 50 percent charge a day,
00:21:08.580the annual requirement would be 600,000 times 80 kilowatts times 50 percent times 200 days a year
00:21:16.080or so and so on that basis you would end up with 2400 megawatt hours a day additional power and
00:21:27.080if we're generous and say the load is spread out over 12 hours at night the grid would need an
00:21:31.900additional load of 2,000 megawatts. So not the 400 megawatts that was talked about by the ISO
00:21:38.500spokesman in the CTV article. And the only way that 400 megawatts works in the CTV story is if
00:21:46.100the usage pattern, which was described by the NMAX spokesperson, Jana Mosley, no commuting,
00:21:53.380no great distances, and the vehicle is a sometimes convenience. In other words, that is not the
00:21:58.780average worth user so you know here we have the problem that I see here is that we have a you
00:22:07.720know a major media outlet misleading the public perhaps with good intention but you know policies
00:22:14.000are going to be set by this because people who want EVs who want to decarbonize you know they'll
00:22:20.140be phoning their MLA and saying we need EV chargers in every part of the city all the way up and down
00:22:26.320the qe2 now because we're going to have 600 000 evs in the next five years and people take this
00:22:33.760as gospel because it came from a major media outlet and from kpmg but i remind people kpmg's
00:22:42.160survey was an opinion survey and it's it's one thing for people to say well i'd love the world
00:22:48.480to be decarbonized you know i would love it to be decarbonized because then we'd stop all this
00:22:53.680craziness about climate change, but that's not going to happen. And we have to look at the facts
00:23:01.700and cost benefit analysis and not rely on opinions of people. So that's that one story. Sorry, I kind
00:23:08.740of went on and on there, Corey. That's okay. Cause it's a big one and it's one that's costly. I
00:23:13.480mean, we've got huge demands for subsidies towards these vehicles and some, you know,
00:23:18.280some are subsidizing these vehicles. I mean, if they come naturally, if they are affordable and
00:23:22.660become better, fine. It's an evolution of power and transportation. I'm okay with it. It's this
00:23:27.600trying to force it before it's ready, which is the problem. And I think, as you said, a lot of
00:23:32.780people don't think of the whole energy grid. I mean, they got better things to think of. I understand.
00:23:37.620But the same comes to economics. And that's an area that gets me with these electric vehicles
00:23:41.640and some of the discourse is supply and demand, which is an area where it's a simple, simple rule,
00:23:46.740but it's as solid as the law of gravity. And people keep talking, oh, look at the money we'll
00:23:51.720save because my electric bill is only this. And if I could charge my vehicle, well, they don't
00:23:55.740think if you put that many vehicles on the grid, even if somehow we've upgraded all of our generating
00:24:00.820capacity and upgraded all of those houses and apartments and everything to be capable of
00:24:05.360charging these vehicles, what do you think is going to happen to your power bill? Even if you
00:24:09.500don't drive a car, your house electricity bill is going to go through the roof.
00:24:14.900Right. Yes. And as Jenna Mosley said from NMAX, you know, that at the residential level,
00:24:20.260the grid can presently the distribution grid can presently stand having two or
00:24:24.880three vehicles on a street and then it's kaput they have to upgrade their
00:24:29.160transformer they may have to upgrade the wiring you know and then at some point
00:24:37.900you have to run more transmission lines you probably have to build more power
00:24:43.060generation facilities which will be natural gas probably which is a market
00:24:49.000commodity and subject to extremely wild spikes I don't know if people remember
00:24:52.900but back in 2008 or so natural gas spiked dramatically and a lot of people
00:24:59.240in Alberta could not pay their utility bill and at the time I was a subcontractor
00:25:04.120to Alberta environment Alberta employment as a career counselor and we
00:25:10.480were paying people's gas bills so they wouldn't get evicted and so that they
00:25:15.500wouldn't be cold like we were paying $800 bills a month you know people would
00:25:19.260come in and say I don't know what to do I'm gonna get evicted I can't have you
00:25:23.480know so get natural gas is you know a great energy provider but if you have to
00:25:29.660build more natural gas plants more transmission lines more distribution
00:25:33.920lines upgrade the transformers and you're going to be losing all of the
00:25:39.560taxes associated with conventional cars that pay for some of the things like
00:25:45.080road maintenance you know all of your bills are going to go up dramatically
00:25:49.520it's not going to be small and it's funny because in that CTD report they
00:25:54.060interviewed a woman who said well you know even though I plug in my electric
00:25:57.440vehicle my electricity power bill has not gone up much yeah because you know
00:26:03.340the rest of us are paying for it so so but that's gonna change that'll be
00:26:08.540upside down now Robert Lyman has three reports that he's written and they're
00:26:13.400linked in our blog post. So he's written one called exposing the EV fantasy, assessing the alleged benefits of EVs and the false assumptions about EV benefits to the environment. So, you know, it's worth a read.
00:26:33.780Yeah, well, and again, and expanding, you know, when people realize that the cost actually will kick them in their own butt, that's when they seem to finally wake up. It's unfortunate, though, we're trying to warn them in advance before it
00:26:43.380becomes that far. Some years ago I used to own a diesel truck when I left the oil field actually
00:26:48.600and then I bought a restaurant which was a terrible masochistic endeavor but I followed a forum because
00:26:55.300I looked at something interesting they're talking you know these people are taking deep fryer oil
00:26:59.080used stuff from restaurants and cleaning it up and converting it and you can burn it in a diesel
00:27:02.700vehicle. I thought well that's kind of cool you know my restaurant generates a lot of that oil
00:27:06.740out back that I take to the bin and maybe I could do it but I never got around to it it's just a lot
00:27:10.480trouble for for relatively little savings but i followed that forum and it was funny to watch the
00:27:14.800progression of it because at first these guys were going out there knocking on doors and asking
00:27:18.800restaurants to for their oil and the rest was sure you'll get rid of it i need to dispose of it
00:27:23.200anyways but once they realized it was a commodity uh then they started saying well you know what i
00:27:28.320want a little money for this and these guys lost it but they don't understand that's the same with
00:27:33.200the electricity anything else it's not free i mean sure when it was just a trash product it wasn't
00:27:37.840worth anything and now actually at the end redux was a company they would come pick up my used oil
00:27:42.400and pay me 10 bucks or 10 cents a liter for it whereas before i used to pay them to take it away
00:27:47.840so it's changed and that's just reality again it's that supply and demand sort of thing
00:27:52.320and that will apply with electric cars and people seem to be forgetting that you know the power has
00:27:57.360to come from somewhere meanwhile they're trying to shut down site c dam and they're trying to
00:28:00.400shut down every possible means of new generation nuclear is out of the question bc's got a huge
00:28:04.400campaign against natural gas going on now. Well, guys, it's going to have to come from somewhere
00:28:09.660and we can't get it from damming the Elbow River in Calgary. Right. Well, you know, Kent Zare did
00:28:15.340an analysis of the conversion from conventional fuel to electricity in Canada. And we would,
00:28:22.780according to his estimate, we would have to build 10,000 megawatts more power in Canada. So that
00:28:29.760would be like eight Shepherd Energy centers that we have in Calgary which is
00:28:34.200a combined cycle natural gas plant or it would be several sightsee dams or
00:28:39.580muskrat Falls both of which are way over budget and you know way behind schedule
00:28:44.700and for each one of these kinds of facilities you need a 20 to 30 year
00:28:51.840horizon for each one because you have to get the land you have to get the plans
00:28:56.520You have to do the environmentally impact assessment. You have to get the financing
00:29:00.980You have to commission the parts to build it then you have to build the thing then you have to put it into operation
00:29:08.180You know and test it out build any additional transmission lines to and from install various forms of
00:29:17.160Integration systems, especially if you're adding more wind and solar wind and solar run on DC
00:29:22.840uh the grid runs on ac so there's you know a conversion that's required there so 20 to 30
00:29:30.040years for each one and there's not one new generation project on the table right now
00:29:36.280not one so you know they want us to go all ev by by what 2040 or something like that like it's
00:29:43.240absurd and the problem is we'll be bankrupt and sitting in the dark because we'll just run out
00:29:49.320of power if they continue down this path yeah and affordable energy i mean it is so critical to our
00:29:56.520well-being i mean um it just people just do not realize how to impact every aspect of our lives
00:30:04.040whether north or south yet here we are kicking it and just not realizing how that's going to come
00:30:08.840back so we'll move along there was a uh something you mentioned earlier you've been uh talking about
00:30:14.120was with the city of calgary uh and their special uh group i guess you could say getting together
00:30:19.400on the climate issue uh let me expand right now the city of calgary is running in their climate
00:30:24.280symposium and so they've got tons of online virtual events going on uh one thing that you'll
00:30:31.000notice is they're all on the green side there's no dissenting voices and um um one of the people
00:30:38.840who opened the sessions was Bruce Laurie. He was on yesterday, and he was talking a lot about the
00:30:46.280federal government's five bold moves, how he'd been part of planning that, and the five bold moves
00:30:53.320that were presented by the Task Force for Resilient Recovery, which includes Gerald Butts as one of
00:30:59.080the members, they effectively became part of the throne speech last fall. So we had written a
00:31:06.440rebuttal report to that called penury versus prosperity and again we have these very optimistic
00:31:13.400very enthusiastic climate advocates um making up all kinds of stuff you know and blithely saying
00:31:20.280well hydrogen can replace um conventional fuels you know as if that's easy but hydrogen is a very
00:31:30.040problematic molecule it's the lightest and the smallest but it can escape any
00:31:36.340kind of metal it can in brittle metal and when it escapes is invisible and it
00:31:42.000doesn't have a smell and unlike natural gas you can't add smell to it because
00:31:46.480then it kind of defeats the qualities of the of the material so it's very
00:31:53.260explosive as well and when it's escaping through a crack in an
00:31:58.300embrittled metal container which is highly pressurized because of the nature of the molecule
00:32:05.580it can create electrostatic charge which will ignite it and the blast range of hydrogen is
00:32:13.420about 200 meters which is about the size of a football field so you know you have many people
00:32:19.100saying oh we're going to put hydrogen in homes for heating we're going to put hydrogen in cars
00:32:24.780and there are fuel cells for hydrogen cars and hydrogen buses they haven't been widely adopted
00:32:31.900for some of these reasons and particularly with cars you know lots of people love to tinker with
00:32:38.760their car and up the performance well you don't want to have anybody doing that with a hydrogen
00:32:44.200vehicle so there are lots of problems that they're not talking about and they're treating hydrogen as
00:32:49.900if it's the new miracle substance, and, you know, this is a consistent part of climate advocate
00:32:55.000thinking, always a magic bullet, always a single factor, the single factor of CO2,
00:33:01.160the magic bullet, hydrogen, because when you use it, the only outcome is oxygen release, right?
00:33:09.560So it's very problematic that influential people like Bruce Laurie are presenting this to the city
00:33:15.260of Calgary and all of the climate advocates who are online and none of these factors are being
00:33:20.340mentioned. So that's just one element and that doesn't mean that we shouldn't produce hydrogen
00:33:26.420by the way like Alberta is actually positioned to produce a lot of hydrogen which is very important
00:33:31.180for agriculture but it's not really a consumer product and there are many dangers associated
00:33:37.920with that and lots of dangerous thinking assuming that you know it's an easy fix it's not.
00:33:45.260No, well, and getting to municipal government. So we have trouble with government on all level
00:33:50.660and the city of Calgary has been very particularly odious in my view in that regard. I mean,
00:33:57.180they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to bring in the Pembina Institute as a consultant
00:34:02.720on issues. I mean, these are an anti-conventional energy organization. Why are they? I mean,
00:34:09.280they have the right to speak and perhaps even present to certain meetings and so on,
00:37:19.720and there is some evidence to suggest that
00:37:22.200in some of our reports or they want to get elected again so you have these
00:37:26.100hugely fat rich e NGOs getting subsidized by certain governments so
00:37:32.340obviously they're going to support it and that group also has a huge number
00:37:36.240of subscribers and followers and so they're going to be on board with
00:37:41.280whatever party that NGO directs them to like this is a third party of our sort
00:37:48.660a fifth column if you like of unelected unaccountable individuals and organizations
00:37:55.940and what we really need to do is to unfriend engos and cut this off right now yeah well and
00:38:03.380it's such an interwoven group of people you start seeing some of the names surfacing all over the
00:38:07.540the place and um boy i'm forgetting her name but uh a very hardcore activist that rachel
00:38:14.500not libra and is one of her consultants there uh well tippy support vermin that's the one there we
00:38:21.060go i mean you're you're actually on the payroll to come in and oppose our industries are of course
00:38:25.700even bigger is gerald butts who's been very influential on on of course federal policy
00:38:30.500he's been trudeau's right hand man it's only scandal that got him formally out of the pmo's
00:38:35.380office which i think is worse because now he's informally influencing it and i mean i saw
00:38:40.580something recently there's a consultancy i wasn't prepared for this but a group and i believe they're
00:38:45.620new york based but they're for uh uh political communications and messaging and the provincial
00:38:51.940government of alberta has spent a couple hundred thousand dollars because they're having some
00:38:55.300communications nightmares there's no doubt about that but i look at one of the principles of this
00:38:59.380group and it's gerald butts so alberta has given some of their tax dollars to a group that employs
00:39:03.540the guy who's been shutting us down because these guys are everywhere and i mean
00:39:08.340how do we stop this it's my understanding that they contracted that group before he was part
00:39:15.400of that group and um you know i i can kind of see why they would want to talk with people like that
00:39:23.120because what a lot of people don't know is that there's an organization called the united nations
00:39:29.600principles for responsible investment this is a group of most of the institutional investors in
00:39:36.340the world it's voluntary but their fiduciary guru is Al Gore so there's
00:39:43.480about a thousand people signed up to her group signed up to it and this would be
00:39:47.920groups like AIMCO is part of it CPP is part of it
00:39:51.640Kesta depot is part of it so all the big pension funds are part of it and they
00:39:59.160signed on to six principles and one of them is to comply or explain they have
00:40:05.340combined at least 90 trillion dollars in assets under management and in 2014
00:40:11.280they signed that many of their members signed the Montreal pledge to become
00:40:15.420activist investors so the NEI investments which is a combination of
00:40:23.520Desjardins out of Quebec and the central credit unions of the rest of Canada they
00:40:32.760went to Rachel Notley at the time and they presented her with a letter that
00:40:38.340said we represent 120 signatories and all of those signatories are signatories
00:40:44.080to the UN PRI and here's what we think that you should do have a carbon tax
00:40:48.560phase out coal you know charge large emitters and all the things that
00:40:54.420happened in the climate plan in Alberta were basically delivered on a platter
00:40:58.080from NEI investments and they said we have 120 signatories on this letter and
00:41:03.420we have 4.6 trillion dollars in assets under management and here's what we
00:41:08.800think you should do so you know that's kind of an ultimatum because probably
00:41:12.720some of those organizations were investors in different companies in
00:41:17.460Alberta on top of that though oak foundation was one of the signatories and
00:41:22.620oak is identified as one of the tar sands campaign funders so you know as you
00:41:27.780said before there's this like marriage of all these incestuous relationships
00:41:34.440between the NGOs and the big funders so you know it's very problematic because
00:41:39.780now these guys are very proudly the UN PRI in 2016 issued a list of 22 activist
00:41:46.920investors who had gone out there to mobilize Canada corporations in Canada
00:41:52.140Australia and the United States to be more climate activists right so that's
00:41:59.540that's completely outside the whole principle of democracy we're supposed to
00:42:03.660have representatives in Ottawa representing our interests and instead
00:42:07.320we have the the pension funds for CUPE and Ontario teachers pension plan
00:42:14.980telling people this is what you should do and at the same time they have at the
00:42:20.280click of a button access to all of their constituents right so Ontario
00:42:26.340teachers pension plan one of the biggest pensions in the world has something like
00:42:30.420300,000 people QP 600,000 and QP was the actually even running QPVC was
00:42:37.720running a petition to Barack Obama against Keystone XL this is a Canadian
00:42:42.760union of public employees right so how can this be it's insane yeah well and it's so but we we try
00:42:51.800to expose it there's groups that come out vivian krauss did a lot of work the other report now
00:42:55.800we're waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for the allen report uh that apparently has a lot
00:43:01.720of detail on these sorts of things and and the usual suspects are already lining up and saying
00:43:05.800oh the stuff allen's been speaking of is you know they're dismissing it it's not much money it doesn't
00:43:10.760mean much i mean i'm the executive director of suits and boots if i could get just a fraction
00:43:15.400of what some of these groups get as an organization you know as mines are defending a you know
00:43:20.840conventional uh resource extraction uh boy the things i could do but we don't have that kind of
00:43:26.280money behind us we don't have those kinds of hidden groups cutting us big checks contrary to
00:43:30.680what uh conspiracy theorists may feel uh no shell isn't giving us uh six-figure checks or chevron
00:43:36.520or anything like that but this is where it also gets difficult because we are a free society we
00:43:43.160should allow groups to lobby to you know put forth their view whether we agree with them or not to
00:43:48.760to be activists to uh lobby elected officials or spread information whether again we agree
00:43:55.080or not with the public but at the same time when it's this destructive how do we counter it i think
00:44:00.840transparency might be part of the answer but but how can we do that without imposing uh you know
00:44:05.480infringing on rights well you know it's interesting we wrote a letter to the
00:44:10.280ontario securities commission which is effectively the securities commission for all of canada i think
00:44:15.240that was in 2017 and the unpri was then wanting all corporations to have to do climate reporting
00:44:21.960climate risk reporting and we pointed out to the ontario securities commission that this
00:44:28.520breaches sovereignty of canada unpri is an unaccountable unelected organization
00:44:34.280And that, you know, if you look on their website, they're completely climate addled. So, you know, how can it be that this group, voluntary group is following Al Gore's tenets of investing?
00:44:50.720Basically, the investments, the ESG investments have been put in place because no investment in wind and solar makes any sense whatsoever, unless you have all these subsidies. So you can justify those investments by framing it under, well, we're environmentally friendly, we're doing the socially good thing, we're working with, look, we put up a wind farm for First Nations, aren't we great?
00:45:15.020And governance, you know, look at all the swell people we have on the board, you know, and those are issues that corporations were normally taking care of themselves.
00:45:26.620Corporations, certainly in Alberta, have been very compliant and very proactive in all areas of environment, social and governance.
00:45:36.540In fact, we see that, you know, all the arts charities are screaming bloody murder that now they all need UBI.
00:45:43.220Well, they're part of the group that drove big oil out of Canada, right?
00:45:48.140Universities are screaming, oh, you cut our funding,
00:45:50.840and all the kids are running around building penguins.
00:45:53.480You cut our funding, you know, don't freeze us out.
00:45:57.640Your professors were the ones who were driving big oil out of Alberta,
00:46:01.540and big oil was a very proactive contributor to the society here.
00:46:08.120It was part of the requirement, actually, the legal and regulatory requirements for most major oil development or oil sands development had a specific socioeconomic component where they had to contribute something practical and helpful to the community that would remain behind.
00:46:26.460So you have, you know, ice hockey rinks that were built, partly funded by these groups, theaters that were funded.
00:46:34.640You know, of course, in some cases, they also got some tax benefit for it, too.
00:46:38.240It wasn't they're not all, you know, wonderful just from the heart of people.
00:46:43.040But that was a huge amount of support for the arts, community associations, hospitals, all kinds of things.
01:00:37.040but this is the rhetorical equivalent of sucking and blowing at the same time.
01:00:41.500and the effect of the carbon tax will be to shut down whole segments of the economy especially in
01:00:48.480the resource intensive regions myth number six carbon pricing is a cash grab it is a cash grab
01:00:55.240the only question is how high of a percentage of the revenue is raised will be used to serve a
01:01:00.740wide range of the politicians favorite projects number seven people cannot change their behaviors
01:01:06.960in response to carbon pricing and the fact is that if hundreds of measures are
01:01:13.380not working yet and we have about 600 different carbon tax or GHG reduction
01:01:20.580regulations laws incentives in place already so if those are not working why
01:01:27.720would this one thing work the carbon tax so myth number eight there's no point to
01:01:34.200carbon pricing if governments rebate the revenues that's from ecofiscal saying
01:01:39.240that that's a myth and the fact is that rebates are a distraction to fool
01:01:43.380Canadians by putting money back into their left pocket portion of the money
01:01:49.320that was removed from the right pocket we can use a myth number nine we can use
01:01:56.040other better policies to reduce our emissions the fact is governments are
01:02:00.360already throwing everything but the kitchen sink at this issue so we're
01:02:06.240clearly on track to miss the 2020 target it would take a miracle and ironically
01:02:11.700this is almost prescient today or the worst recession since the Great
01:02:16.080Depression for Canada to make the 2030 target and it gets worse after that it's
01:02:21.120a long time past that we should recast our objectives and myth number ten the
01:02:26.440final one there's no need to reduce Canada's emission the fact Robert Lyman
01:02:31.360writes the fact is Canada is not the problem so you know China emits in one
01:02:38.440month what Canada emits in a year and a half so any action taken by Canada to
01:02:45.840reduce emissions will have a negligible or nil effect on average global
01:02:50.680temperatures. So the carbon tax is really a bad idea. It's a terrible idea and it won't accomplish
01:02:58.940what people think it will. And it will just be used to pay off green crony capitalists and more
01:03:05.340of these ENGOs. Well, and as some commenters have been pointing out, I mean, it does tie in,
01:03:12.040it certainly is a fine way for wealth redistribution. I mean, if we're taking it out
01:03:15.540of people's pockets, you could put them towards whatever other ideological goals or projects you
01:03:19.900you may have. So, I mean, if your interest isn't in the environment, you can certainly still see
01:03:24.020what an ideologue might feel as a benefit to pulling this out. Again, the maddening thing is
01:03:29.460if they really want us to shift, they keep attacking the supply, but they aren't offering
01:03:35.880a rational alternative. And that's what makes me fear some of these NGOs and that they really
01:03:40.360aren't actually looking at environmentalists interests at their base. I mean, you know,
01:03:44.740horses evolved into cars not because we banned horses but because cars became a better manner
01:03:50.740of transporting people more cost-effective efficient and in fact there i mean the old days
01:03:56.020there were uh uh horse manure through city streets and uh you know a number of pollution issues uh
01:04:05.140right now we're trying to ban conventional energy in favor one that hasn't been
01:04:08.740been created to replace it yet. Right, and one that relies 100% on oil, natural gas, and coal.
01:04:17.060So, you know, it's like when people say, oh, we're going to build wind farms. Well,
01:04:20.900what are you going to build them from? I mean, we actually had some of Elizabeth May's supporters
01:04:25.340tweeting us during the election campaign saying, are you sure that wind turbines and solar panels
01:04:33.240are made from oil gas and coal because we don't think so like you know that's
01:04:38.040how energy literate people are people just don't know how things are made so
01:04:44.240you know it's it's very complex we try in our reports to take these very
01:04:50.280complex issues and explain them in more or less plain language and give people
01:04:54.400some practical examples of what has worked and what doesn't work so you know
01:05:00.800I hope that people would go to our blog and read penury or prosperity what is
01:05:06.900Canada's future it's a two-part report it's critiquing the five bold moves and
01:05:12.640the elements of the speech from the throne and it's explaining why some of
01:05:17.920these things that sound good on the surface won't work like for instance the
01:05:22.740big tree planting plant the problem is there's not enough land in Canada the
01:05:28.980second-largest country in the world there's not enough land to plant all
01:05:32.640those trees so you may say what how can that be well the only place would be
01:05:38.340what's called the white zone which is an area that sort of parallels the burial
01:05:43.020forest and the plains and as Sheila Gunn-Reed said to me one time on the
01:05:47.340rebel she said you mean all that land that my ancestors cleared for agriculture
01:05:52.860and it's like yeah so we'd be planting trees to replace agriculture well then
01:05:57.840where do we have food from? So, you know, lots of these ideas that sound great on the surface
01:06:02.540are totally ridiculous when you look at it in any depth. So I hope people will read that report,
01:06:08.560Penury vs. Prosperity. Robert Lyman did another report recently called Pick Your Poison on Climate
01:06:17.480Policies or Cap and Trade. They're both deadly to the economy. And he has another great report
01:06:22.740called when giants arise and this really puts it in perspective you know the West
01:06:28.620is very busy with climate change but Asia is not and Asia is where all the
01:06:34.920growth and development will be all the use of fossil fuels all the emissions
01:06:39.360and there's a couple of billion people in the South Asian corridor there and
01:06:44.760they're not going to fall for the climate change hysteria of the West we
01:06:50.800represent maybe 19% of the population on the planet. And that area represents about 60%.
01:06:59.840So, you know, we're not going to be able to tell the rest of the world what to do
01:07:05.440in their economies. And we should be pretty cognizant of that fact and wake up,
01:07:12.160we got to wake up people. Yeah, they don't feel to be as
01:07:15.360compelled to be trying to be the World Boy Scouts that we are at their own expense. So
01:07:19.840Thank you very much, Michelle. It was a great chat. I'm sure hopefully we can have you on again soon. There's just so much to cover on this whole file. And one common thing I've seen from a lot of people in the comments scroll there is asking, you know, where to get the links, where to get the information. I know your site's very deep and has a great deal of information on it. So if you could remind everybody, where can we find more information and what you guys are up to?
01:07:42.480well we're at friendsofscience.org and our blog is linked on the left-hand
01:07:49.500navigation bar or you can just go to blog friendsofscience.org and you'll
01:07:55.280find us there and our blog is kind of old-fashioned when you have to scroll
01:08:00.240down to see all the different reports that are there you can also send an
01:08:04.720inquiry to me at media at friendsofscience.org or on our Twitter feed
01:08:10.980or our Facebook feed or LinkedIn you'll find most of the postings of our report
01:08:15.600and we also have very active friends of science YouTube channel where again we
01:08:21.480try to take these complex issues put some visuals on them explain them in
01:08:26.400more plain language and we do also have very specific scientific references you
01:08:32.360know a lot of people are not up to that but if you go to our event page on our
01:08:37.200website, you'll find all of our annual speakers and under climate science, you'll find all of
01:08:42.480our climate science reference material. Great. Well, thank you again. It's very
01:08:48.300valuable information that you share and you do it encapsulated in a way that, you know,
01:08:52.780those of us who don't want to dig through a pile of reports and studies and committee hearings and
01:08:57.620so on, you know, you put it together in a way that we can appreciate it and digest it. So
01:09:03.260So thanks again, and I'm certain we'll be talking again soon, Michelle.
01:09:15.880You know, you could just go on and on because there's just so much to the whole climate change file and issue and how it's impacting policies, how it's impacting us.
01:09:26.200I mean, there really are concerns how it's impacting the environment.
01:09:28.920that's fine, but we just, it's such a convoluted, tied up realm of NGOs, people with different
01:09:35.380political interests using that potential crisis as a means to crack down in other areas of freedoms
01:09:41.820or perhaps to benefit their own interests and companies. It's just an ugly thing. And this
01:09:46.720is the sort of thing that sometimes I'm afraid sours people on political activism or getting
01:09:51.460forward and they just throw up their hands and say, there's nothing we can do about it and move
01:09:56.000but we can't afford to do that we do have to push back we got to keep up with it even if it feels
01:10:00.720futile and that's where again michelle and the great work the friends of science do keep ourselves
01:10:05.200educated share it get it out there you know share michelle's link talk to her on twitter or whoever
01:10:10.640else is running that account they're very responsive they answer questions and uh you know
01:10:15.600we don't have to lose this battle we're just uh getting beaten up terribly right now on it though
01:10:20.560so let's learn from these activists rather than uh throw up our hands and dismiss them
01:10:25.120So getting on to somebody else now who has been a fantastic voice out there and pushing back, particularly critical of our federal liberal government, which I'm quite critical of as well.
01:10:37.540I focus a lot more on provincial issues, though, and it's Spencer Fernando, and he's very prolific online.
01:10:43.720He's got a fantastic website where he puts his articles up.
01:10:47.040I've seen him in the Postmillennial and I believe in a number of other publications.
01:10:51.500And during these times, as we're getting into an election year, his voice is going to be more important than ever and much appreciated.
01:11:00.080So there we go. Hi, Spencer. Thank you very much for joining me today.
01:27:08.680I mean, sure, I mean, you're growing great in Vancouver because, you know, people from China, in many cases, you know, billionaires and millionaires from China are pumping tons of money into the housing market there.
01:27:17.580Sure, yeah, that looks great for a while.
01:27:19.420The U.S. economy looked great in 2006 and 2007 for a bit.
01:27:23.740So I think the disconnection of our economy from real productivity growth, you know, actual growth, you know, you get better at, you know, producing oil, you sell the oil, you make more money, your profit margins go up.
01:30:47.080You know, they mean well, but they're just super naive, right?
01:30:50.220It's like, and Trudeau seems to have that attitude.
01:30:53.160He just doesn't understand that dealing with other countries sometimes means it's going to be pretty ugly, right?
01:30:58.400China's not a country that's going around saying, how can we be nice to other people?
01:31:01.680How can we come to mutually beneficial agreements?
01:31:04.180It's not just trying to bully people and trying to dominate the world.
01:31:07.260And sometimes being tough and being a little aggressive in response to that is the only way you can respond and actually protect your country.
01:31:14.160And Trudeau, he seems unable to do that.
01:31:15.960It's just whether it's too mean or whether it goes against who he thinks he is, he just doesn't have the edge it takes to stand up for Canada.
01:31:23.180Yeah, well, diplomacy, I mean, that is an entire art form in and of itself.
01:31:27.040I think one of the things that I really miss the most out of the Harper government, they didn't do everything perfectly.
01:31:32.640But we were respected. He was respected on the world stage when there would be G8 summits, things such as that.
01:31:38.680Stephen Harper was there. He was considered a player and an equal among those discussions.
01:31:43.460And it had a degree of influence. Justin Trudeau just can't seem to find his feet there.
01:31:50.240I mean, we've seen from even when he had a majority at those meetings, he was literally the kid standing outside of the circle of discussion.
01:31:56.440He would try and interject and, you know, even with the best of intentions, perhaps, but most often embarrass himself.
01:32:03.860You know, the India debacle, we just can't forget that.
01:32:06.980And that annoyed the heck out of me so badly just because it is such a great and growing nation.
01:32:12.200We have such a huge and productive, you know, Indian Canadian population.
01:32:16.760This really is a country we should be tightening our ties with and our relationships with.
01:32:21.640and to have him go over there and bungle it like that, you know, what sort of diplomacy is this
01:32:28.440from a majority government? So, I mean, this handicap of diplomacy you feel is perhaps part
01:32:33.980of what's still leading to today's lack of confidence maybe in dealing with China?
01:32:38.900I think so. You know, it's also about understanding values, right? I think you see a lot of the woke
01:32:44.520people, you could call them, Trudeau among them, who they kind of, they think the West is just bad
01:32:50.740And not Western Canada specifically, but Western civilization itself, right?
01:32:55.500They say, oh, it's just one of many civilizations.
01:32:59.220It's mostly just oppression and colonialism.
01:33:01.580So they have no confidence in the values of the West, which, look, no civilization is perfect.
01:33:06.580But the West, compared to other parts of history, the best on individual rights, best on individual freedoms, best on welcoming people from around the world.
01:33:17.900And there seems to be no confidence in that.
01:33:20.440where by contrast, China is extremely confident in themselves, despite obviously the many crimes
01:33:25.520it seems the government there is committing in the present day. So Trudeau doesn't have that
01:33:29.840confidence in Western civilization, in the values that Canada's built upon. And then he can't make
01:33:35.380strategic moves based on that, right? So you saw even before China was getting really aggressive,
01:33:40.120this kind of attitude of, you know, we'll hedge our bets between the US and China, you know,
01:33:44.620we'll kind of be in between them, we're not going to pick a side, you know. And then I think we're
01:33:49.380finding out the hard way, first of all, we're right next to the United States. So we're always
01:33:52.720going to be closer to them. Our values are much closer to the US than China. And that's always
01:33:57.780going to be the case. And then our allies and our history, you know, means we're going to be
01:34:01.740allied with, you know, fellow democratic countries, not countries like China. And so with India, I
01:34:07.000mean, India is a large democracy, right? The biggest democracy in the world. Its economic
01:34:11.920prospects are massive. It's also in some ways a military competitor with China. So there's
01:34:16.400the strategic benefit of, you know, helping India become stronger as well. And Trudeau just, he
01:34:21.700seems to have, he doesn't even care about that. He just all wins some votes with some domestic
01:34:25.480political gains when I go to India, you know, and that's all he cares about. And then he tries to
01:34:29.460reach out to China and then we saw how that worked out. So at some point you think even he'd get a
01:34:34.020little tired of being humiliated by China over and over again, but it seems like he, I guess,
01:34:38.580has a little further to go there. No, he doesn't seem to be quick on a number of uptakes, you know,
01:34:43.960and that whole woke culture that he has really, you know, cloaked himself within and embraced.
01:34:49.780It is frustrating to watch considering how insane it has been getting.
01:34:54.240I mean, I think that the people who are most inclined to self-flagellate in Canada and talk about our evil colonial history
01:35:00.920and how we're inherently racist and we're all white supremacists haven't gotten out much.
01:35:06.880You know, they haven't traveled. I mean, there were some benefits I had in my own life.
01:35:38.500And Trudeau seems to be one of the main drivers for it.
01:35:41.480Yeah, I mean, it's amazing to see the hypocrisy, right?
01:35:44.220I mean, Canada is very racially diverse.
01:35:46.960And the other thing is when you see, you know, stories about racism in Canada, well, you don't see anyone defending it, right?
01:35:53.300I mean, it's a story because it goes against the values most people have.
01:35:56.800That's the reason, you know, racism would get attention in the first place, you know, in a country like China.
01:36:01.820Yeah, you're not going to see many stories about racism because the country is in many ways extremely racist and it's just perpetuated everywhere.
01:36:08.500Right. I mean, you had, I think, stores in China putting up signs like no Africans allowed during the coronavirus, the early part of it.
01:36:17.140And China was trying to blame Africa for it. They blamed a bunch of other people.
01:36:22.140So, you know, this attitude that we in the West should be apologizing all the time.
01:36:27.420It's just foolish. Right. And I think we should acknowledge history, acknowledge things that weren't done well.
01:36:31.820And that's part of the story, too, is we've moved on and we've improved and we've constantly tried to make our society better.
01:36:38.500that's something to be proud of but the idea that oh we're just going to crap all over our history
01:36:42.660because it wasn't perfect and then and then what i mean go as you say go to other parts of the world
01:36:48.420you think the west has a bunch of racism yeah yeah try visiting basically anywhere else in the world
01:36:53.460so yeah i think uh and this is the problem you know history you know shows that confident
01:36:58.900civilizations win and ones that lose confidence in themselves lose and right now the the western
01:37:04.420world is losing confidence in itself, and China is extremely confident. You see how their diplomats
01:37:09.120are acting. They go around the world. They basically threaten and bully people in every
01:37:13.060country they're in. They seem to think they're on the way up, and I think we have to prove them
01:37:17.300wrong. Well, and a lot of it is, in my view, mainstream media fed. I mean, we get hysterical
01:37:23.280stories. I mean, okay, white supremacists exist. They're really out there. There's not a hell of
01:37:28.520a lot of them. They're as rare as hen's teeth, but when you do find one of them, I mean, when we got
01:37:56.480stating on a CBC panel that we weren't
01:37:59.020systemically racist because we bloody well aren't.
01:38:01.240You know, I mean, there's people with issues, there's things we had to grow that the treatment of the Chinese in Canada at the start of last century was abhorrent.
01:38:09.300You know, the residential schools were a terrible concept, but to keep going on as if currently we're in this state of racism is ridiculous.
01:38:18.100But we have our leadership and our media constantly driving that into our heads.
01:38:22.240You should be hanging your head low because you're part of this racist system.
01:41:45.140And then with people coming into the country at the beginning, you know, they had flights coming in and the government said, yeah, we're forcing people to quarantine when they get here.
01:41:52.340Well, they lost track of two thirds of those people, right?
01:41:54.540They only actually tracked down one third to see if they were quarantining.
01:41:57.960So it's as we saw, you know, when it could have been stopped from getting into the country or at least mitigated, the government didn't take it seriously enough and didn't do anything about it.
01:46:19.600And then, as you say, he's talking about green issues quite a lot.
01:46:21.880So there's the other problem of, you know, playing into the narrative of the other party.
01:46:26.540He's very much playing on the field that the liberals like to play on.
01:46:30.320And they're always going to win an election based on if the choice is, who do you trust to intervene more in the economy from the central government?
01:46:38.700Well, yeah, that's going to be the liberals.
01:46:40.300So if you fight them on that, you're not going to win if you try to be more like them.