Western Standard - The Cory Morgan Show, May 10, 2021

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00:02:00.000 morning welcome to the cory morgan show for this may 10th monday it's hard to tell it's mid-may

00:02:24.700 since there's snow on the ground that global warming is really getting to us but i guess

00:02:28.320 it melts faster this time of year uh if anything this weather was a godsend to the rcmp and others

00:02:36.340 who wanted to make sure that any counter protests around mirror alberta and such were kept as low as

00:02:43.300 possible because nobody really wanted to go out in that miserable sleet and rain and weather and

00:02:48.760 uh stand up for our rights well nobody wanted to but about 1500 did uh good morning jake and

00:02:55.140 Laura out in Saskatchewan and Jackie, Heather. Yeah, quite a weekend. Some crazy looking scenes,

00:03:03.280 you know, of people being handcuffed, arrested for the crimes of holding religious services

00:03:09.460 and for the other crime of trying to open a cafe. It's just such a bizarre, bizarre time and things

00:03:17.760 aren't getting any better. So I'm going to give a heads up on a warning and I see Colin DeWolf in

00:03:22.220 the waiting area there too, which is great. I'm going to have a panel on today with some small

00:03:26.640 business owners in Alberta who've been impacted by lockdown restrictions. Because again, we keep

00:03:31.280 going into the restrictions, going into the lockdowns, and we don't seem to be measuring

00:03:36.260 the impact that it's having on those who are shut down. You don't see that reported. You don't hear

00:03:40.500 nearly as much about it as we should. Because really, before you do anything as intrusive as a

00:03:46.460 lockdown, a government regulation, something like that, you should do a full cost benefit analysis

00:03:51.100 of some sort. And we're really lacking that. Some of the benefits are questionable, to be honest,

00:03:56.620 with lockdowns. And the cost, though, is undeniable, particularly with small businesses

00:04:01.100 who are just getting crushed. I mean, this is the third round of this. It's, you know,

00:04:05.320 the two weeks to flatten the curve has turned into 14 months. It's insufferable. So we're

00:04:10.340 going to get to them and have some great discussions later on. And it'll be something

00:04:16.340 to look forward to. I'll show you some of the scenes. You know what? I want to go into some

00:04:20.080 good news, actually. I'll start that because I tend to complain and go on about the bad stuff.

00:04:24.340 I want to thank Peter McCaffrey for grabbing this. If there's nothing else that

00:04:28.420 Alberta Health Services has done, they do have excellent data on the website. You can go on

00:04:34.240 there. You can see infections, vaccinations, deaths, ICU levels as well. I mean, some stats

00:04:40.800 I showed with the massive spike in opioid deaths that started by no small coincidence at the same

00:04:47.100 time as the pandemic and has stayed up there. But you can look for yourself. People keep saying do

00:04:52.240 the research, do the research. Well, we've been doing it and Peter did it. So this chart, if you

00:04:55.740 look, this is over like a whole year here. I know it's a little faint, but the lines make it so nice

00:05:00.200 and distinct. You can see the first wave way back. It really lets us know how relatively small that

00:05:06.300 was, but it was concerning. We didn't know what the heck this thing was. We didn't know what was

00:05:09.220 going on. You can see the spikes. The red line is deaths. The blue line are cases. Okay. So there

00:05:16.080 was a rise there and then early fall there was another rise then we saw the big one in December

00:05:19.760 that's that big giant mountain in the middle and you can see the the terrible correlation I mean

00:05:24.740 this thing is real okay the cases spiked up heavily and then you know shortly after that

00:05:30.560 just following that the deaths followed but now look at this latest wave look how striking that

00:05:36.780 is deaths not only are not following the cases the cases are shooting up there's no doubt about it

00:05:42.400 it's going around, but people aren't dying. And that is the most important part. People aren't

00:05:49.040 dying. In fact, the deaths are dropping. The last report yesterday was of two people in Alberta

00:05:54.600 dying out of 4.4 million people. It's tragic for those two people, but I mean, there's a long

00:06:01.140 stretch to say if we close enough cafes and hairstylists and gyms that those two people

00:06:04.800 even would have been saved. But look at that number. I mean, so now we're getting onto even

00:06:10.920 if even if and that's a big stretch the lockdowns would stop those little amounts of deaths that are

00:06:14.920 still happening would it be worth the cost we've really got to start having that discussion

00:06:20.440 now two months ago texas uh fully opened up they said we're done it's trending the right way we got

00:06:27.560 the vaccines coming we're opening up no more mask legislations no more business restrictions nothing

00:06:32.520 we're doing the full works 100 open that's a tweet right there from the governor of texas yesterday

00:06:37.720 the experts went wild. I mean, we watched them on social media. We watched them on CNN. Oh,

00:06:44.140 Texas, they're so irresponsible. They're reckless. They're crazy. They're going to kill people by the 0.99

00:06:48.360 hundreds of thousands. It's going to be a disaster. It didn't happen. It didn't happen. 0.99

00:06:53.020 And now people are making the excuses, well, it's because Texas had vaccinations. No, no, don't,

00:06:56.660 don't start rewriting this, guys. They were 14% vaccinated when they opened up,

00:07:01.200 far less than we are today. So again, we've got to look at real working examples. This isn't a new

00:07:08.960 pandemic anymore. This thing's an agonizing 14 months old, and we're seeing some very interesting

00:07:14.900 numbers coming out, a lot of which, you know, it's nice being next door to the United States

00:07:19.620 for a number of reasons. But one of the big ones is we've got a big working example of all sorts

00:07:25.140 of different levels and types of lockdowns and restrictions. And nobody can really find a good

00:07:33.940 correlation between government lockdowns and reducing the deaths and infections. It's been

00:07:39.460 striking. I mean, you can make a correlation between the lockdowns and crushing the economy,

00:07:44.180 and you can make it between the correlation between that and suicides and that and opioid

00:07:48.820 addictions, but doing the lockdowns has not necessarily made much of an impact on infections

00:07:56.860 and deaths. And we've got to keep that in mind. And people say, oh, look at New Zealand. Well,

00:07:59.960 great. If we were a tropical island that had shut our borders right off the bat and imprisoned our

00:08:03.620 citizens on there for a year, we could have pulled that off, but we aren't. We've got to get realistic

00:08:08.180 here. We're a country with a big border. This stuff's already here. And it's just unavoidable.

00:08:16.480 Let's work with what we've got. So, I mean, it was reported just today out of England, Ireland,

00:08:22.920 and Scotland. They had zero deaths today out of all three of them, zero deaths. And, you know,

00:08:27.700 I just want to go back to that chart again. I'm going to go to where I know some people are going

00:08:31.280 to get a little upset with me because what it does tell us is a few things though.

00:08:35.260 The infections are going up. They're spiking. I know some people might feel otherwise,

00:08:40.120 but the pandemic is real. The infections are really going around and it's really rising right

00:08:43.780 now. The deaths are going down. That's undeniable. The reasoning for it is because we vaccinated the

00:08:49.300 vulnerable. That's the bottom line. People are still getting, catching COVID-19, but we know

00:08:55.080 things we've learned out of 14 months of this. We're lucky as far as diseases and pandemics go.

00:09:00.180 This leaves 99.9% of the population alone, or it doesn't leave them alone, but they recovered just

00:09:04.860 fine. And the long hauler thing, there's not much medical evidence to show that it has that much

00:09:09.220 long-term effects more than any other sickness. I mean, some people will get long-term effects.

00:09:13.500 some people will get long-term effects from a flu. Every type of sickness can be potentially

00:09:17.900 dangerous. What we're seeing now are younger outliers. Again, often with prior conditions, 1.00

00:09:23.100 it's not saying they should be dead, but we've got to get to a point of understanding

00:09:29.020 whether or not the lockdowns are worth it. But the vaccinations are important and that's in my view.

00:09:33.740 Now, you know, that's a big contentious area. I'm vaccinated. I'm going to follow through with it.

00:09:38.860 I, the only thing that would keep me from getting vaccinated, I said it before,

00:09:41.900 is if the government made it mandatory then i get ticked off i dig my heels in and say no

00:09:45.260 forget it i'm not doing it but i do not want to see it mandatory i will never support it being

00:09:49.580 mandatory i respect other people's choices in choosing not to get vaccinated if you don't want

00:09:54.300 to that's fine just as long as enough of us do i'm okay with it you know if you're concerned about it

00:09:59.340 so be it i don't want to go into the extended discussions on on vaccines i see some numbers

00:10:03.340 that are pretty stark um i believe and i'm online with the others that the reason we're seeing those

00:10:08.220 deaths drop down again is because we vaccinated the vulnerable. What we messed up with very early

00:10:13.340 in this pandemic, what we didn't know was realizing that we need to isolate. I mean,

00:10:19.100 prior to vaccinations, we needed to isolate the vulnerable. We need to separate them,

00:10:24.300 but instead we tried to quarantine the healthy. We tried to separate the healthy and then people 0.92

00:10:30.220 whine and can't watch this bullshit. Well, go away, Jody. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm not here to 1.00

00:10:36.060 agree with everybody all the time i'll put out what i do you don't have to agree with me i'm

00:10:40.700 sorry if it doesn't work out for you i'm certain there's somewhere where you can find an echo

00:10:44.620 chamber that will soothe your feelings a little more as it stands i wanted to put out what i do

00:10:50.220 feel is good news though because what we're seeing too then is less and less reason for the state to

00:10:55.580 continue with these restrictions there's really not much uh reasoning for it there's no excuse

00:11:01.020 it's not making much difference on the the pandemic itself but it's making a heck of a

00:11:07.840 difference against our economy uh so last weekend uh we we did have some great things we've got

00:11:13.540 nadine wellwood going around she's been doing um video interviews she covered things over at the

00:11:18.500 whistle stop cafe there where uh we saw again yeah a cafe owner you know handcuffed taken away

00:11:24.760 arrested for trying to serve cheeseburgers that's the bottom line this is what we're down to 0.98

00:11:30.020 This is ridiculous. I mean, he knew it was coming. Chris knew what he was getting himself into, but it's still, what a scene. What a place we're in when restaurant owners are being arrested. Artur Pawlowski, again, you know, he's a known, very vocal street preacher. He has his congregation. He got arrested out in the middle of the road in Calgary somewhere. That was another striking scene. 0.96

00:11:55.960 I'm not a big fan of Arter, but he's got every right to put on his services. Of course, he made

00:12:02.680 quite a dramatic scene of his arrest. At least Chris was peaceful about it. But again, he shouldn't

00:12:07.120 have been arrested in the first place. And this is just going on and on. But we need to push back.

00:12:14.520 You see, there are people, I'm already seeing the CBC stories. I'm seeing the other stuff.

00:12:19.100 They're saying the fourth wave is coming now. Like, guys, people aren't even dying anymore.

00:12:22.680 and you're already trying to scare people about the fourth wave they're warning us about opening

00:12:26.120 up too early well that's why i showed texas because you guys sound just like they did

00:12:31.720 when texas opened up and you were wrong texas is doing just fine some people say oh they're

00:12:35.880 still getting 2 000 infections today they're not dying guys texas has a population the size of

00:12:40.200 canada almost i mean we can't stay locked down forever some people really do seem to feel that

00:12:45.640 we got to get to zero it's not going to happen it's never going to happen so we got to get it

00:12:50.520 to a manageable level which i contend we're already at the manageable level we need to be

00:12:53.880 lightening up in the restrictions you know we had the rodeo two weeks ago everybody said oh you wait

00:12:57.880 two more weeks two more weeks everybody's gonna die well it's been nine days now or something

00:13:01.240 nobody's uh the infections haven't taken off from the rodeo no connections it's not the super

00:13:05.400 spreader that everybody lit their hair on fire about but the rhetoric the rhetoric is something

00:13:11.480 else and uh you know but again we got to push back we got to be rational i mean we don't need people 1.00

00:13:16.200 goose stepping around with tiki torches we don't need idiots walking around with nazi flags and 1.00

00:13:19.560 And we've seen that. Unfortunately, that feeds the real jerks in the mix here. 1.00

00:13:24.640 So yeah, Nahed Nenshi decided to go off on one of his rants. 0.99

00:13:28.740 You know, we're not going to be ridden ahead when he's done as mayor.

00:13:31.520 Rest assured, he's arranging a soft landing somewhere.

00:13:34.920 Something that might be Senate, something he might run for member of parliament, wherever it might be.

00:13:41.080 I'm afraid we're not getting ridden ahead as easily as you might think.

00:13:43.820 He's just not going to be the mayor anymore.

00:13:45.200 But he's calling it white nationalist supremacists protesting lockdowns. Really? You know, why? Why do you have to go there? What is this? It's nothing to do with any of that crap. You know, I'm getting sick and tired of that. I think just about everybody's sick and tired of that. But that's where it ends up. Is this the best case you've got? You try to just make it so shameful to appear at one of these because you're going to accuse everybody who's there of being a white nationalist.

00:14:13.060 list. I've been to these protests. I've been to the rodeo. I've been to ones in Calgary.

00:14:18.100 I had questions about them. That's for sure. I found that there are a number of some pretty

00:14:22.460 out there folks who attend some of those things. Some of the speakers go off in some crazy tangents,

00:14:27.500 but they aren't white supremacists. It's BS. It's divisive inflammatory crap. I guess it's

00:14:34.400 kind of par for the course for Ninchy, but it's just insufferable, intolerable.

00:14:39.700 you know you're in the head you're calling a number of people and there were people of every

00:14:44.720 race at those functions you're calling them white nationalists that's what you're doing that's how 0.92

00:14:49.540 irrational and sick what you're doing is how insulting is that to some of the individuals 0.83

00:14:54.720 who attended those protests who were people of color who have endured some real racism to have 1.00

00:15:00.200 a jackass like you say that they're a white nationalist you know it's as bad as the left 0.99

00:15:04.320 when they're calling Jewish people Nazis. Stop it. Let's tone this down. Let's look at the 1.00

00:15:10.200 numbers. People keep saying, follow the science. Well, that's why I'm showing the charts. That's

00:15:13.700 why I'm showing the numbers in Texas. The science says this thing is going down. The science says

00:15:17.860 the vaccines are working. The vulnerable have been protected. People aren't dying, but people

00:15:22.600 are going broke. People are stressed out. People are losing their houses. People are losing their

00:15:28.740 businesses. That's real. And we have to look at these costs as we evaluate whether or not we're

00:15:36.600 going to keep going with these restrictions. So as I said, Nadine Wilwood's been on the ground.

00:15:40.960 She did some fantastic videos. She interviewed Chris Scott shortly before he was arrested. So

00:15:45.860 I mean, if you go to our YouTube page, you know, look up the Western Standard on YouTube,

00:15:51.160 make sure to subscribe. You know, that's when you'll catch these live broadcasts. Plus we

00:15:53.880 upload those specials when we do go out and cover things in person. She interviewed Chris Scott

00:16:00.700 shortly before he was arrested, and she interviewed Ty Northcott, who held the rodeo last week.

00:16:05.600 The RCMP had been trying to get a hold of Ty for some time, and they did get a hold of him. They're

00:16:10.320 going to come by his place apparently at 1.20 this afternoon and formally have him charged for having

00:16:17.060 held that rodeo. It's going to be interesting to see when these things, if and when these things

00:16:22.020 ever actually get to court and full examination and discovery to really get that evidence. I mean,

00:16:29.980 John Carpe has been pretty clear about that and a number of the lawyers. Let's get this

00:16:34.640 light shining on it then. Let's talk about it. Let's get this in front of a judge in a controlled

00:16:39.340 atmosphere with real legal debate, using some stats and numbers and see if it's justified

00:16:45.500 stepping on people's individual rights. And they are. The charter says we have the rights to gather

00:16:50.560 to do this commerce, to go from province to province. Those are charter protected rights.

00:16:55.740 Under section one, it could be suspended in a case of such a dire circumstance, such a huge

00:17:01.280 emergency. They can suspend those charter rights. And that has to be justified. You know, it's

00:17:08.300 backwards. The government should be coming to us and asking if they can suspend those rights

00:17:12.040 and then doing it, not to the case of putting it in there. And then we have to fight

00:17:15.660 to get our rights back. It's backwards. And I think the government knows that. I do think that's

00:17:21.280 why they keep charging people, dragging it out, dragging it out, and then dropping the charges

00:17:24.800 when it actually is about to get into a courthouse. But hopefully we're coming to the tail end of

00:17:29.620 this thing. The leaves will come out in another few weeks at the rate they're going. The snow

00:17:33.720 will stop here in Calgary within a few days with any luck. And maybe we'll have some remnants of a

00:17:38.740 decent summer. So I've got a couple of the panelists here. I'm going to bring them into

00:17:42.780 the show. We've got Colin DeWolf and Rob Patton. I could be destroying the pronunciation.

00:17:53.900 I believe Colin, you run a gym out in Medicine Hat? Yes, I do. Yeah.

00:17:59.500 Yeah. And Rob is running a metropolitan bartending school, I believe.

00:18:03.740 That's correct. Yeah. And I was going to have Natalie Klein. She hasn't quite popped in yet.

00:18:08.140 she's a hairstylist from up in Innisfil. She may come into the show here yet. Sometimes things get

00:18:15.420 delayed. That's the way things go in their life. But I'm glad I have both of you guys on. I really

00:18:19.380 appreciate it because I want to talk to people who've been directly impacted and then different

00:18:26.420 businesses, you know, some that have been hit harder than others, particularly direct services.

00:18:31.780 So like Colin, Jim's, you know, we don't hear enough about them. And I know they've just been

00:18:36.380 devastated by the restrictions and here you are again you're barely hanging in

00:18:40.520 there how things been going for you well for us we're kind of at that point

00:18:45.640 where eight months under the last 14 we've effectively been virtually closed

00:18:51.700 with no options to really gain income or revenue into the business right so with

00:18:59.780 my gym we've rented equipment you've got all the online programs but still that's

00:19:03.700 just a fraction of what we normally make in that window right so um i'll give you some i guess some

00:19:12.340 financial numbers there so we just applied for the alberta grant that was released the ten thousand

00:19:17.140 dollar grant in april there uh and they based it off our january 2020 numbers to january 2021 so

00:19:23.860 for gyms that's the big month that's where we pay like multiple months rent things like that so

00:19:29.700 January 2020, we had about $34,000 on the books. January 2021, because of the restrictions,

00:19:36.580 we had $1,300 on the books. So that was a $32,000 revenue loss, or effectively 96% of what my

00:19:44.340 business makes in one month. And we only qualified for up to 50% of the $10,000 grant. So $32,000

00:19:53.220 lots and at most we will get up to five thousand dollars at some point i don't know we've applied

00:19:59.540 for it but we haven't seen the money yet right um and with the current restrictions now it's

00:20:05.220 back to the same boat where it's just no option to work with our clients to allow people access

00:20:11.620 to our services really right and the online services aren't going to cut it for most businesses

00:20:17.700 Because our business is a physical business that is predicated upon letting you in to utilize our equipment to do your thing, right?

00:20:28.600 If you don't have that equipment, what are you paying for?

00:20:31.460 So it effectively eliminates the option of us to do business, right?

00:20:37.480 So one of the ways we were looking at kind of getting through this, because obviously, you know, the writing was on the wall.

00:20:43.800 we went out and we spent a bunch of money setting up because we have a fenced off

00:20:48.120 backyard area at our gym so i went out and i spent a bunch of money getting outdoor speakers

00:20:54.600 and you know rubber mats for the outdoor area because you know according to the science being

00:21:01.280 outdoors is safe right there's very little instances of outdoor transmission and i can't

00:21:08.180 train someone one-on-one in a 2500 square foot backyard so that's kind of some of that right

00:21:16.340 so like our ability to provide for ourselves has literally been taken away yeah they've made it

00:21:23.300 illegal for us to earn a living is what they've done and uh thrown out uh you know programs and

00:21:29.540 things and said well we can help you through it well again it's been 14 months i mean the fixed

00:21:33.380 costs aren't going away. The lost traffic isn't going away. The staff on standby, I mean, they

00:21:38.820 might be moving along. I mean, there's just so many levels. These band-aids aren't even coming

00:21:42.560 close to repairing the damage caused. At best, the few businesses remaining are just on life

00:21:47.980 support. Rob, you know, I'm trying to remember where I took my bartending courses when I bought

00:21:53.360 the pub seven years ago in a masochistic endeavor. I ran that for five years. And, you know, and

00:21:58.880 that's part of why I feel so much for small businesses because I've been through it. I

00:22:03.120 that's a tough, tough industry at the best of times. And in the case of during this pandemic,

00:22:08.800 it's just a horror story. I can't imagine. So when you're training people for the service industry,

00:22:14.480 I imagine that demand for your services are rather down right now.

00:22:18.800 Yeah. I mean, basically the bottom has fallen out. And I think we face two big challenges.

00:22:26.240 One is we want to run a marketing campaign to get more students. But if we're going to be closed in

00:22:31.200 a month then that's a waste of money the other challenge is i think students don't want to

00:22:36.960 register just now because they're afraid they might not have a job when they graduate

00:22:41.360 and those are you know so we get that and to colin's point you know there's businesses out

00:22:47.040 there spending all this money to adapt and evolve and then they get shut down we purchased the

00:22:53.200 metropolitan school of bartending december 2019 so literally months before the pandemic hit

00:22:59.760 and and so we've been closed about as much time as we've been open so it's it's terrible and i

00:23:07.140 come from the hospitality industry so we've revamped the curriculum we've added a bunch of

00:23:12.880 stuff we've added table service in there as well not just bartending so when you graduate you're

00:23:18.020 going to be well trained to to work in any venue regardless if they hire you on as a server first

00:23:24.180 and then bartender or go right to bartender you'll have all the skills you need and yet we can't open

00:23:28.860 the doors. Yeah, well, and I understand. I mean, you know, when people go drive down the street

00:23:34.320 and they see every second restaurant with a for lease sign out front of it, it's just not a trade

00:23:38.540 you're going to focus on training yourself in, which is terrible. And as you pointed out,

00:23:45.640 as others are, I say with Colin, you know, it's not just a loss. It's not just loss of revenue,

00:23:50.020 but so many businesses have invested a whole pile of money in order to become compliant,

00:23:55.400 you know, compliant with new regulations.

00:23:57.980 I mean, all those wooden patios built all across the city

00:24:01.280 outside of breweries and things like that.

00:24:04.140 I mean, the cost of wood these days alone,

00:24:06.300 I mean, these are really expensive expansions

00:24:08.300 and they were open for, what, two weeks in that state

00:24:11.780 and now they've been shut down.

00:24:12.920 They can't even put people on those patios

00:24:14.680 and they're just out that much more money.

00:24:18.400 So like Colin, you know, Jim,

00:24:20.100 you said they've been trying to expand and moving along,

00:24:22.400 but I guess your options are just really limited, right?

00:24:24.380 yeah like our business much like what rocks is is predicated off people having the ability to come

00:24:32.880 in the door right um so you've taken that away and like yeah the online stuff our community likes

00:24:38.900 it it keeps them engaged but it's not something that they're willing to pay very much money for

00:24:44.000 right um and like even at that like our community is feeling the effects of this right so in my

00:24:52.120 location so i'm in medicine we've had uh you know about like 19 18 19 coping deaths at this point

00:24:59.480 well we have had a just immense amount of like suicides and stuff like that so a bunch of guys

00:25:06.220 from my gym actually started an organization called the inner man project which is basically

00:25:12.580 promoting like men's mental health and stuff like that right because it was something that

00:25:17.440 absolutely had to be done out of my location specifically we've had two gym members that have

00:25:23.280 you know either overdosed or committed suicide in this process right and that's a very small

00:25:29.540 community so it's something where i very personally felt the effects and seen the effects on our

00:25:35.300 community right the conversations i'm having with our gym members uh you know they're crying they're

00:25:40.220 upset you know their mental health is diminishing they don't agree with a lot of this and it's

00:25:47.060 it's something that like physical fitness and moving your body in a way you know how to do it

00:25:53.160 is very important to your health and wellness overall right um it gives you that sense of

00:25:59.460 wellness and that's basically been robbed from people multiple times through this right and

00:26:05.640 it's at the point now where like you can see the look on people's faces and like how discouraged

00:26:10.520 they are and how you know this is impactful right you have those conversations with people and it's

00:26:16.800 just absolutely heartbreaking right so i don't know yeah i would say by nature as humans we're

00:26:24.960 fundamentally social creatures right we want that interaction so this is for the extroverts among us

00:26:31.520 this is this is a very serious impact you know the introverts are like oh fine i'll just hang

00:26:36.100 up by myself but the extroverts are like what do i do no it's very important and i mean one of the

00:26:42.740 The areas, again, getting back to Ninchy, who I was ranting about earlier, it doesn't

00:26:46.180 take me much to get ranting about Ninchy, but some might remember some statements he

00:26:49.900 made a little while back talking about saying there's no measurable benefits from workouts

00:26:53.380 or gyms and we're not losing anything from them.

00:26:55.360 He actually said that.

00:26:57.380 Now, I can only guess, but he doesn't look like one who takes advantage of gyms terribly

00:27:02.160 often, so perhaps he doesn't understand.

00:27:05.160 But there is, I mean, I know that for stress relief, you know, I'm not much of a gym goer,

00:27:10.620 But if I'll go out hiking and get some serious physical exercise, you feel better afterwards.

00:27:15.080 You relax afterwards.

00:27:16.260 It's an improvement.

00:27:17.160 And people don't have hiking at their disposal sometimes, or they prefer getting into a gym,

00:27:22.680 getting around others, or they might need training to work out correctly.

00:27:25.700 I mean, we are losing, you know, getting back to that cost benefit.

00:27:29.420 When people can't get out and get that sort of exercise, they are going to suffer a physical

00:27:34.820 and a mental cost from it.

00:27:36.240 And we haven't been talking about that.

00:27:39.660 Yeah.

00:27:40.060 Like to back that point up, there is an immense body of scientific literature that goes over the benefits of physical exercise as being just as effective as antidepressants in a lot of cases.

00:27:54.980 You know, the hormonal response from exercise rate, the proper cortisol and endorphin responses leveling out the way your system works.

00:28:03.660 it actually promotes a general sensation of wellness long after you've exercised right so

00:28:10.800 for all those people that set their day up by working out at the start or in the middle after

00:28:14.940 you know or at the end after a stressful day at work you're you're stealing that sense of

00:28:20.400 wellness from people that is just garnered by the exercise right like it's it's very disheartening

00:28:29.460 to see people kind of crap on our industry when everyone that's in this industry knows how much

00:28:37.080 we touch people's lives and it's it's one of those things where you get people that are 0.76

00:28:41.660 not well they have health conditions they you know diabetic all sorts of things and then over

00:28:48.740 the course of the year so like the length of this pandemic you could have radically changed your

00:28:54.020 health status for the better you know feeling better about yourself and contributing to society

00:29:00.260 better because of it and also protecting yourself from covid and you know in the fitness industry

00:29:06.500 there's a huge amount of stigma and barriers for people to get right which is one of the reasons

00:29:11.940 why we are dealing with like the obesity epidemic in north america right so we have this general

00:29:18.100 sense of like we're going to promote all these unhealthy things and it's very stigmatic for

00:29:23.940 people to even walk in a gym at times to start working on bettering themselves and that's

00:29:29.540 essentially all we do is better ourselves at the gym right health mentality uh you know just

00:29:37.140 everything right so it's very disheartening to see our industry constantly under attack through this

00:29:43.940 and i can speak as as being a bartender on the mental health side of that so often people would

00:29:49.460 come in and and dump their problems talk to the bartender and say what i what do you think i

00:29:52.820 should do right so we're like unofficial counselors in a way helping people to get through their day

00:29:58.660 more on a mental side and calling more on the on the physical side right so we're we're losing a

00:30:04.180 whole bunch of support systems that people had and they no longer have that in place

00:30:08.820 Well, absolutely. And as you said earlier, Rob, you know, it's in our nature. We're social animals. We get together. Different people choose different areas where they're going to socialize. Like, I'm not a religious man, but I understand that the faith community for some people might not even be the spiritual aspect so much as this is the weekly gathering with their social peers. That's what's valuable to them. They've lost that. Like, there's so many things you can't replace online.

00:30:32.820 online and as i owned my bar and back in my drinking days uh you know i i there are certain

00:30:40.100 people you call them the bar flies they're the regulars or call the chronics whatever you want

00:30:43.940 but they show up and they will line the bar you know almost every day and uh these are people

00:30:50.660 there because that's their outlet that's when they get out of the house like i'm really worried for

00:30:54.500 some of the ones who used to come to my past bar i know that was the only social outlet they had

00:30:59.220 And since the pandemic began, bar front service has not been allowed. We've had on and off table

00:31:06.660 service and things, but not that sitting with some camaraderie around others, talking to the

00:31:11.060 bartender, talking to the other fellow who came to the bar or whatnot. And again, this is a serious

00:31:16.820 social cost as well. I mean, we're talking about bettering ourselves, as Colin said,

00:31:22.980 training ourselves. I mean, this is an opportunity. If people are changing jobs,

00:31:25.860 if things are happening you know bartending is a trade it's a you've got to know what you're doing

00:31:29.860 to do it well and uh this would be an ideal time for people to increase their their levels so they

00:31:35.940 could get into a new line of work but uh right now the schools are are shut down yeah schools

00:31:41.140 and pubs and i mean we get lots of that oh i'm recently laid off or i'm retired i want to do

00:31:45.780 something else try a different thing uh for some of them it's their new social thing to do is to

00:31:51.940 become a bartender right and now you're in you're the middle of that social arena right for others

00:31:56.980 it's like i just got laid off i i need to do something else i've always wanted to be a bartender

00:32:00.740 so let's give it a go um yeah and uh so so corey to your point we used to call them orphans because

00:32:07.140 they have nowhere else to go they come to the pub and they hang out and they interact with each

00:32:10.500 other they interact with the bartender and and that's their that's their social event yeah well

00:32:16.020 yeah i mean go back to that old billy joel song you know the piano man but when you listen to it

00:32:20.580 But it's a whole tune just kind of laying out the whole different regulars and types of people who hang around in a bar.

00:32:26.560 And, you know, that final line, it's not much, but it's better than drinking alone.

00:32:31.140 And, you know, that's always been.

00:32:34.020 That's why since medieval days, there were pubs and gathering places, public houses.

00:32:39.060 And again, if people have lost that ability, if they can't comfortably go to a bar, I'm still comfortable with them.

00:32:46.700 But I can't drink any longer due to abusing my privileges for too long.

00:32:49.600 uh you know what it took me a lot of time and that's another thing with aa meetings you know

00:32:53.300 addicts and people in trouble with that like i i don't i don't think uh zoom meetings for my aa

00:33:00.140 would have been as effective for me as they were when i was i was working in the states mostly and

00:33:04.320 traveling to get into that community hall or that church basement or whatever drink that crappy

00:33:08.500 coffee but be with a bunch of people in the same circumstances myself and have a healthy night and

00:33:14.020 for other people i know from working in the oil field because we had a lot of addiction issues

00:33:17.400 guys take up healthy habits at night to get away from it and gyms actually as they traveled were

00:33:22.940 a large part of it if they get back from the field when normally they'd go to the bar they're

00:33:27.240 going to go work out instead and again they've lost that ability yeah that's that's actually

00:33:33.800 something that we've seen a lot of too right because like being in an industry typically

00:33:39.120 people that suffer from addiction in one regard will replace it with another addiction right so

00:33:44.580 we actually have quite a few people at our facility or like other you know just being in

00:33:49.800 the industry for a decade you've seen those people that were alcoholics were you know had

00:33:55.000 drug addiction issues and they supplemented it they decided that was not for them and they

00:34:02.320 swapped that addiction for leading a healthy lifestyle which you know betters themselves

00:34:07.580 and betters their community around them right um you know strong people confident people people

00:34:14.220 that are doing good for themselves tend to pull everyone around them up right so on that that's

00:34:19.580 something that we've seen kind of missing right like you have those conversations with people and

00:34:23.580 it's that actively working as a group to be better as a group is good for your community right so

00:34:31.820 and that's something that we definitely feel in our community and the economy as well right so

00:34:36.060 now you're you're positive and you're productive as opposed to being you know you could say a drain

00:34:40.540 on the economy and costing resources, whether it be police or EMS or any of those things,

00:34:47.180 now you're taking that stress off of those services and becoming productive.

00:34:51.760 That's benefiting the way around.

00:34:54.460 And, you know, we've been showing a lot of the healthy aspects.

00:34:57.620 And I mean, it's something that's been neat talking to you guys getting into because it's

00:35:00.860 just these don't get discussed, you know, the social impacts on people that aren't getting

00:35:04.820 out.

00:35:05.120 And it's too bad Natalie couldn't make it today. 1.00

00:35:07.200 But, you know, she runs a hair salon.

00:35:08.700 And as we know, actually, those are social spots for a number of people, too.

00:35:13.500 You see that, you know, whether it's the old classic barbershop where the old fellas will sit in circles and talk BS all day or, you know, get stereotypical.

00:35:22.520 Sometimes it'll be ladies sitting around, but it's the hub to chat and see others and socialize. 0.86

00:35:28.900 It's more than just getting the hair done.

00:35:30.540 Go to the gym is more than just working out and going to the bar is more than just consuming booze.

00:35:34.860 Because we can do just about all of those things at our homes, yet we've developed entire industries to do them outside, and there's a reason for that.

00:35:42.220 And those industries are all in terrible, terrible trouble.

00:35:46.540 So, Colin, would you know, though, like, I know we can see the closed restaurants everywhere.

00:35:51.760 It's just devastation and more that are coming.

00:35:54.200 How many in your industry have you seen gyms that have just thrown out their hands and given up?

00:35:58.720 Well, I personally had a few friends that have closed their facilities.

00:36:04.860 And then within that, like I know one of Alberta's oldest, biggest fitness company, International

00:36:13.520 Fitness Holdings, the Old World Health and Spa Ladies, their parent company, their investor

00:36:20.020 group just declared bankruptcy a week or two ago, which, you know, the record was kind

00:36:25.520 of on the wall for that.

00:36:27.100 But I think they had about like 17 locations across Calgary, right?

00:36:32.280 So they're looking for new investors and stuff like that.

00:36:35.820 So it's happening.

00:36:37.280 People are at their limit.

00:36:38.920 And even us, we're kind of at the limit.

00:36:41.720 What I would kind of say to people is,

00:36:44.560 consider being in a position where for eight months in the last year,

00:36:50.400 you have had zero household income.

00:36:52.900 Explain to me how, but you're still responsible for your bills.

00:36:56.900 How do you think your household would be doing at that point?

00:37:00.400 right and that's apply that to the business now right so all the restaurants that have been

00:37:05.120 operating at losses all year and then you know with the brief windows where they can actually

00:37:10.640 you know have people come in and make a little little bit of money you're just kind of recovering

00:37:15.600 losses you know covering your debts that you've improved right so like coming out of this

00:37:21.280 basically this is my last opportunity um we've actually had some members of our community step

00:37:26.400 up and help us out right we had a local uh a local guy that his business hasn't been impacted

00:37:32.560 offered to pay one month's rent for us which was you know very heartwarming because it we announced

00:37:38.000 that we were essentially going to close um and we've been in the community for about like our

00:37:43.520 karate club because we also own a karate club he's been in the community for about three decades

00:37:47.680 almost uh and our gym has been there for almost a decade now um so it's it's one of those things

00:37:55.200 that we've been stressed like i haven't been able to pull income i actually have a second full-time

00:37:59.360 job now working for an online an american company online um doing training and nutrition because

00:38:05.280 throughout the states i can actually reach people there um but yeah i know it's like we've done

00:38:11.920 everything so like while i'm open i have two full-time jobs that i'm working because i can't

00:38:16.240 pay myself i you know i haven't had income out of my business for quite some time so i've had to

00:38:21.920 take that second job. My wife has as well because we're in this together, right? This is our sole

00:38:26.960 source of income and it's not like we're fabulously wealthy. We have a small home in

00:38:32.320 Medicine Hat. It's really sad and our community has been taken away from us essentially is what

00:38:39.840 it is as well. I think, Colin, you raise a great point. A small business owner is not all,

00:38:45.200 not only are we not able to hire and employ people, we are now in the marketplace taking

00:38:50.800 jobs that would have otherwise gone to other individuals right and so that's the choice we

00:38:55.760 have because we're trying to to support our keep our business afloat and put food on the table

00:39:01.200 so you know we're we're losing employment and we're taking other jobs that we would like to

00:39:06.880 see go to other people it's because i'm in the same boat i work full time and i have this business

00:39:12.400 that is closed yeah it's it's rippling everywhere so in the areas of like private education

00:39:18.560 specialized things such as what you do rob have you has your industry qualified for some of the

00:39:23.120 subsidies or aids or loans yeah we do qualify for the rental subsidy so we've been getting that

00:39:30.800 so that covers our rent we still have utilities and taxes and you know all of the other things

00:39:35.760 that are associated with running a business you still need to buy supplies even though you're

00:39:40.000 closed it's like well at some point you're going to reopen and you know you can't you can't run a

00:39:44.480 business with zero supplies so uh so there's a lot of that um it's just i mean and our our facility

00:39:53.040 is downtown calgary and so we pay downtown calgary rent unfortunately commercial rent so

00:40:01.040 that's it's brutal yeah well and there's the subsidies and aids you know it's funny you

00:40:05.440 listen to uh the leader of the opposition in alberta who screamed and screamed and screamed

00:40:09.840 lockdown lockdown lockdown and then once the lockdown came why aren't you supporting businesses

00:40:12.800 enough. Okay. And the thing is too, it's our own money. I mean, a lot of people seem to

00:40:18.640 forget that there really is that myth in people's minds that the government just has this big money

00:40:23.360 bin and they can just dig out and feed it to us at will when they need to. No, they're using our

00:40:28.000 credit cards to hold us up here. There's going to be a cost for this later. And these businesses

00:40:33.440 are hanging by a thread. Like I know what the restaurants and bars, they're open, but I believe

00:40:38.640 it was the cfib they said it was something like over in alberta over 300 000 that was the average

00:40:43.680 that restaurants took on in debt last year um oh you know the subsidies have to end for the wages

00:40:49.760 soon the subsidies for the rent have to end soon and a lot of these businesses won't be in a

00:40:54.640 position to keep operating when those subsidies are gone and people don't realize there's going

00:40:58.080 to be another wave and i don't think it's going to be pandemic it's going to be business closures

00:41:02.320 when those subsidies stop because you know if we can't get it rolling again fast enough that

00:41:06.240 well they won't be able to recover from it but i think i think a lot of times what's happening is

00:41:14.480 is like you said corey the all these businesses are taking on additional debt to stay afloat

00:41:19.200 that they'll never get out of they're just digging a deeper hole and i'm sure you can attest to this

00:41:24.000 as a pub owner as a restaurant uh operator a lot of times those margins are very thin

00:41:31.040 and so you go two three four months with no revenue it's like we're done that's it it's over

00:41:37.200 well yeah you've got to keep a good bunch of money in the bank just for cash flow you got

00:41:41.360 to keep it for payroll you've got to keep liquor stock you've got to keep food stock i mean

00:41:45.600 you can't just come from a dead stop and get rolling again it takes a big chunk of money

00:41:49.760 every time you do that and as i said the average margin in canada according to stats canada it's

00:41:55.120 just not my anecdote from being in the pub business is five percent you think how many

00:41:59.760 frigging burgers you got to sell to make a living on a five percent margin you know you're getting

00:42:04.660 better margins on the liquor but i mean you're going to take loss leaders and food it's it's

00:42:08.360 just a tough tough tough industry and i i listen to some folks and i know it makes the vein in my

00:42:14.060 head pulse it doesn't take a lot to get me going but you listen to business experts online saying

00:42:18.740 well you know you can just do takeout that's fine that'll hold you in there and and you know you can

00:42:23.220 no guys that's a band-aid that keeps your cook rolling perhaps and but you're not making much

00:42:28.960 money off that stuff um the other problem with with getting back up from zero if you're closed

00:42:35.080 now there's an enormous amount of stress put on the distribution network so you might not be able

00:42:40.340 to get your full food delivery once you reopen because they have to supply all the people in

00:42:45.880 their delivery route so you'll get half a delivery next guy gets half a delivery and then next week

00:42:50.660 you'll get the other half because they they can't give everyone their full order a they don't have

00:42:55.900 in the fridge in the warehouse and b they don't have the the capacity in the trucks to make those

00:43:00.940 deliveries yeah no it's the supply chains are going to be stressed uh again whenever the heck

00:43:07.100 we open up uh and again those fixed costs so i mean and so your slow season's approaching with

00:43:14.620 the gyms though i guess calling you're saying because you make the bulk during the winter when

00:43:17.900 people are kind of cooped up right yeah well typically when it's nice so people go outside

00:43:22.060 a little bit more right um you know and that was the one thing too like because this has been closed

00:43:28.060 a lot through the winter uh we set up the outdoor area right and it was people were excited like oh

00:43:34.540 you know what like cool we'll work outside in the sun we'll get to enjoy the outdoors while we do

00:43:39.580 this and um yeah that it was just kind of kiboshed right and like i definitely you know looking

00:43:45.740 around uh medicine hand here all of our pubs cafes everything like that just set up outdoor

00:43:51.980 patios and i'm like thinking like my cost was this i know theirs was more because they set

00:43:57.260 up these really nice fancy wood patios and then they're it just it breaks my heart to know that

00:44:04.460 everybody's trying their hardest and like they're still getting it doesn't matter what you do at

00:44:10.140 this point it is kind of what the message the government said to people right we don't care

00:44:14.620 how hard you're willing to try we're still going to shut you down no matter what right and no fault

00:44:20.140 through your own like i i've had direct contact tracing a couple times in my facility never had

00:44:25.660 a case of transmission within the facility and still shut down right um you know and every time

00:44:33.580 ahs phones me about it the person that found out they were positive has already reached out to me

00:44:40.460 because it's a small community i know everybody in my facility um i've run contact tracing already

00:44:45.740 like the last instance everybody was already tested before hs even before right so they're

00:44:51.100 already isolating a test anyone that might have come in contact with that person so like we've

00:44:55.820 been doing our best and it still doesn't happen yeah that's part of the the frustration too i

00:45:02.140 mean they're cracking down on those who have been stringently following the rules i imagine there

00:45:06.860 were restrictions in your schools as well rob you know to sanitize things wear masks keep people

00:45:12.780 separate from each other. And have we seen any evidence that there's been spread from

00:45:18.460 schools or learning institutions of any sort? We've had no instance of even contact tracing,

00:45:25.260 so we're lucky in that regard. I mean, primarily our main demographic is 18 to 24,

00:45:31.820 which I believe hasn't been affected as significantly as the older folks, even 35

00:45:37.020 and over 55 and over i don't really keep track of the stats but my understanding is that the younger

00:45:43.660 ages haven't been affected as heavily but at the school we have 10 stations so during this we've

00:45:51.180 only been offering every other station to give that that six foot distance between each other

00:45:56.300 so we're only operating at 50 capacity for for a while and then lockdowns come so we're closed

00:46:02.780 and then reopen at 50 capacity so you know how would how would your pub operate if it can only

00:46:08.380 generate 50 of revenue right i mean like you said it's only so now you're relying on two and a half

00:46:15.180 percent based on the specific you mentioned earlier to to survive that's that's brutal

00:46:21.420 yeah a lot of your fixed costs don't come down and likewise in the gyms like you're kind of

00:46:25.500 starting to call it so there's not been nearly evidence that gyms have been a hot point of

00:46:28.780 spread or transmission or anything is it so um there was an organization that did a foip request

00:46:36.620 out of doug schweitzer's office back in january and so for the six months of operation they came

00:46:43.020 back and they linked 45 cases total over six months of operation to every gym in albert

00:46:49.820 um so like 45 out of what are we at like almost 200 000 now something like that uh like that's

00:46:59.440 i think you're kind of missing the forest through the trees when you shut that down

00:47:02.600 and you know the whole thing is like all these are super spread spreader places because they're

00:47:07.180 doing this and the data doesn't support that the only one that i've ever seen uh where there's been

00:47:12.340 a long chain of transmission right which they follow it not just within the facility but going

00:47:18.000 on and they tack all those cases onto it is the one out of quebec so there was a quebec city gym

00:47:24.080 that had right and then you have gyms like down in new jersey uh they've been open the whole time

00:47:30.080 to define borders and no cases out of place right um you know the uh one of the alberta fitness

00:47:38.880 institutions basically did a check-in analysis so out of all the check-ins like 4.5 million check-ins

00:47:47.200 there was this many cases of coping which was you know like point zero zero zero zero four chance

00:47:53.920 of contracting in the facility you know which is insane right like so the instance has been

00:48:00.560 so small and yet we're heavily penalized and i don't like heatherville well here's here's some

00:48:08.160 like you know if you want a personal note so while my gym was closed in february i watched

00:48:13.520 the news report 50 new cases of the variant flying in one week right so i'm closed i have

00:48:22.960 no option to work and they're allowed to just keep flying people in you know not that not that

00:48:30.080 anybody should lose their job and i think we're kind of looking at you know very minimal things

00:48:35.360 and blowing them up to be these big things i'm like how is that even possible that you can actively

00:48:41.360 be flying in these more deadly more contagious variants and i can earn a living right because i

00:48:48.000 think people miss the boat as well it's like you know we're talking lives and livelihoods

00:48:53.040 your livelihood is your ability to provide the necessities of life for yourself and your family

00:48:59.440 and we have actively decided that some people do not deserve that right right now and that is a

00:49:05.200 very scary premise where like could you imagine if someone walked into your house and said story

00:49:10.560 you're not allowed to feed your family you you can't earn a living to feed your family

00:49:15.120 with what we do so too bad right and you know like many business owners like my life savings

00:49:21.280 is tied up in that business that's my retirement plan that's my everything so if someone is like

00:49:26.640 walking in and telling me i just need to be okay with giving it away right and that's incredibly

00:49:34.000 scale. Unfortunately, it's a much bigger, longer discussion, but we have a large segment of the

00:49:41.520 population that have guaranteed tax funded incomes. They're civil servants. They have jobs,

00:49:48.480 some important, some we can talk about as a separate discussion as well, but they haven't

00:49:53.200 been directly impacted. These are a lot of the people who are supportive of these restrictions

00:49:56.880 and lockdowns because they aren't looking outside of their own. I've stayed at home. I've had a full

00:50:01.520 salary throughout in fact it's been kind of a nice vacation for a year but they aren't

00:50:06.080 looking outside of their bubble to realize no but some people are getting crushed just crushed

00:50:12.160 and uh yeah so even on that like i know within our our city of medicine had here there's been

00:50:19.440 a tax shortfall because of you know everything so our city's getting 15 million dollars less tax

00:50:26.160 taxes sent to the city this year so i know people you know city workers that utilize my facility

00:50:31.600 that have lost their jobs that are taking other people's jobs because the union-based seniority

00:50:36.560 right so they're actively you know flushing people out from the bottom end which are the people that

00:50:41.520 just got in um and then i've been told that next year we're also looking at possibly another 10

00:50:47.040 million right so that's a whole bunch of these government security income jobs that aren't

00:50:52.800 security right like our taxes as business owners as people you know pay for those jobs well you

00:51:00.320 know if you put the restaurant industry out of work like you know it's 200 000 people in the

00:51:05.040 province that's a lot of over tax that's a lot of personal tax that is going to fund those government

00:51:10.560 jobs right that's going to fund your hospital system right like you want to talk about you

00:51:15.280 know protecting the health care of people well we need these people working to pay those tax

00:51:19.840 sellers because otherwise we're just printing money and it's going to

00:51:23.020 exasperate the issue any longer right so you want the healthcare system be

00:51:26.740 functioning in two years you need people working to pay for that right and that's

00:51:31.780 a lot of money and to add to that Colin all of those people that 200,000 people

00:51:36.640 who work in hospitality are out spending their money in other small businesses so

00:51:40.960 they're in effect supporting all of these other businesses so we're I mean

00:51:45.260 we're taking a huge chunk of the economy basically throwing it away which is

00:51:49.520 gonna have a ripple effect through all of these other businesses where they

00:51:52.420 consume goods yeah exactly right like we have a lot of nurses in our facility

00:51:58.700 and even that they're like oh well you know there's layoffs coming and I'm like

00:52:02.980 in a medical emergency we're looking at layoff nurses and like that's that's

00:52:07.040 insane like you should be training more hiring more and keeping the whole system

00:52:11.940 up slow right and then you got companies like Amazon that are you know benefiting

00:52:16.740 like crazy and all that is is taking canadian money sending it to the united states of america

00:52:22.260 so you want to talk about helping our country spend that at home spend that at your local

00:52:26.420 businesses right because that's what's going to keep our system here afloat yeah and it's

00:52:33.140 crushing local retail that's a separate area and i wish i'd gotten a retail store owner on

00:52:37.940 uh i've talked to a couple like one fella says it's just killing them you know even with clothing

00:52:41.540 it doesn't matter as people come into the store it's a great spot to try it on check it out

00:52:45.620 then they put it back on the rack they go home and they order it online because they can get it

00:52:48.820 delivered cheaper uh that's a little bigger different issue you know that's just been kind

00:52:53.700 of a shift on how things are done i think around the world but this pandemic has exacerbated that

00:52:58.180 dramatically because of people staying in their homes and learning and getting into the habits

00:53:01.780 of getting things delivered and they're not going to go back to going out again after this

00:53:05.380 A frustrating thing too, with people pointing out what's an essential business and what's not.

00:53:16.240 And yeah, you know, as we're saying, a business is essential to the people who own it. I can

00:53:21.460 guarantee you that. And it's essential to a lot of the people who work there. And again,

00:53:25.720 people forget where it contributes elsewhere. I mean, hospitality has been very, you know,

00:53:31.940 competitive. So, I mean, you're integrated, you're sponsoring kids, uh, soccer teams,

00:53:36.340 and you're involved in the community. At least if you're a good business person,

00:53:39.620 you're going to do that because that's, uh, you know, how you, you just keep your good clientele

00:53:43.760 and good relationships and all that going. We're losing that. We're losing those relationships

00:53:47.720 with the business and the communities, you know, the, the, the, the ones that are going to make

00:53:51.760 it. And I think that's probably the same with the gyms and that too, unfortunately are the monsters,

00:53:56.060 the mega ones, the ones that can take economies of scale, you know, so it's, it's the huge

00:54:00.720 restaurant chains it's the huge gym chains uh because they can do that but we lose those nice

00:54:06.640 smaller community-based businesses that again the relationship between the business and the

00:54:10.640 person is another aspect that gets lost so right now place to go where to go then chris like or

00:54:20.800 colin where what should the government do in your view right now then with where things are standing

00:54:26.720 so uh like looking at the situation from a distance like obviously we need to do something

00:54:35.440 right so we need to protect our healthcare system to some extent right so if outdoor transmission

00:54:40.880 hasn't been seen to be a big factor allow that to happen right like because you know it's something

00:54:48.480 like the science on it is pretty clear and if you look through other jurisdictions too right like

00:54:53.440 so i have friends in the gym community in bc they've been allowed to operate this whole time

00:54:58.640 indoors no issues right like you know you have your spacing you do all that right um and it's

00:55:05.760 just like it's been effective in other jurisdictions so i feel like well and even in ours like i would

00:55:11.520 argue that are you know less than 50 cases or about 50. even if it was 100 let's double the cases

00:55:17.120 that is not a major driver for transmission right so i would say we have to look at

00:55:23.040 reasonable ways to allow people to earn a living right because like i said that's how they provide

00:55:28.480 the necessities of life and when you start deciding who gets to you know provide the

00:55:33.680 necessities of life for themselves that's a very very morally scary position right like yeah i

00:55:41.360 don't know i find it terrifying um but i would say we need to bolster our healthcare system like why

00:55:48.240 hasn't that been enhanced why would we not increase capacities we have 14 months rather than dumping

00:55:53.840 the millions of dollars you know billions of dollars into our you know industries that we

00:55:58.800 decide should close why not dump that into healthcare why not come up with a simple rule

00:56:04.720 of guidelines like other places have done uh you know and just keep it consistent across the board

00:56:10.640 right um you know let's i feel like the government would get a lot more buy-in as well if it was

00:56:16.960 consistent right if you had you know even if it's 10 occupancy for every business you know two meters

00:56:23.520 distancing you know the masking whatever it happens to be keep it consistent across the board

00:56:29.440 and allow those businesses the same opportunity right because right now they're picking winners

00:56:33.680 and losers and it's it's disgusting it's honestly disgusting yeah it is it really is to watch and

00:56:40.880 rob likewise in your industry you know what things do you think the state could do aside 0.98

00:56:43.920 from you know just backing off a bit yeah i mean to me like being outside getting exercise getting

00:56:51.840 sunlight right that's going to be that's going to be a huge help for your immune system uh so

00:56:58.000 for the hospitality industry i mean i know a lot of our uh our partners in the industry

00:57:02.720 pubs restaurants all that they've already installed the the plexiglass barriers and

00:57:06.800 they sanitize and all those things so uh and now with patio season i mean now you're outside you're

00:57:12.960 getting that sunlight you know you're you're socially distanced uh so for me i mean i would

00:57:18.240 really like to see the data behind the what they're doing shutting everything down and all those

00:57:24.240 things right so those calls said okay well you've had you know less than 50 occurrences within the

00:57:29.280 gyms well i want to see the data behind pubs and restaurants how many or which locations

00:57:35.520 specifically are the hot spots so close them sanitize them make sure they're following all

00:57:42.160 of the guidelines plexiglass barriers and all those things and sanitization and the ones that

00:57:47.280 have had no instances open up and just make sure they follow all of the recommendations uh i i i

00:57:55.440 shake my head at what's going on right now it baffles me yeah well you don't shut down every

00:58:00.320 pub in the city because two pubs were serving miners you crack down on the ones that were

00:58:03.920 serving miners absolutely but part of our problem it's great and it's a good idea when we see the

00:58:10.640 hot spots we haven't seen really good reporting on well what went wrong what fell through how did

00:58:16.400 that happen in those places so what can we do make sure it doesn't happen in others aside from

00:58:20.720 shutting places down so on that too right like we're looking at controlling something that is

00:58:26.320 quite frankly incredibly hard to control right uh an example that i would use like you if you're

00:58:33.680 following logical processes um we have had an immense amount of outbreaks in care homes in

00:58:40.560 hospitals in all those settings and we're talking medical professionals that you know know all the

00:58:46.960 policies procedures and they still can't manage to keep it under control in their in their house

00:58:52.880 right so that's where we kind of get into the territory of like does this even work and if not

00:59:00.400 why are we doing it and i don't know if you can see corey but i linked uh in the private chat there

00:59:06.560 uh a study that was just published out of uh simon frazier valley university uh in burnaby

00:59:14.320 uh that goes over the lockdown fbc so this is the meta-analysis that goes over 80 other studies

00:59:19.920 so this is a lot of studies scientific studies compile the data and the conclusion in there

00:59:26.480 is basically this does not work and this is the most recent one published

00:59:30.480 in april so if you want to talk science and data

00:59:34.400 right this is the most recent data uh out of their university in bird

00:59:40.960 right that was compiled and it for me it's just like if it's been

00:59:46.160 shown 80 times because the conclusion of

00:59:48.880 after 80 studies is it does not work it does not yeah

00:59:53.520 And I just, yeah, it's funny you were just ahead of me.

00:59:55.780 I just opened it up my side screen here and I've pasted it into the comment link, people.

00:59:59.680 So if you're watching and you look in the comments, you'll see the link to that document.

01:00:04.000 It's a 55-page report.

01:00:06.080 And it's right back to where I started because, yeah, we've really got to look at the cost benefit.

01:00:09.820 And somebody has broken it down.

01:00:11.900 It's worth digging into and reading that.

01:00:14.160 And, yeah, it's not the Fraser Institute.

01:00:15.940 It's Simon Fraser University.

01:00:17.440 So don't dismiss it.

01:00:19.560 This is real stuff.

01:00:20.980 So I appreciate that, Colin, because we need to just really look at the bigger picture here.

01:00:25.500 And I think, as we're saying, part of it's people are panicked.

01:00:28.660 People are afraid.

01:00:30.400 And it's they've been yelling at the government to do something, you know, do anything.

01:00:37.240 Just do something.

01:00:38.220 I think that's a large part of it.

01:00:39.460 You know, they respond and will bring in arbitrary sorts of rules and regulations just to at least look like they're doing something.

01:00:47.980 But they're doing that.

01:00:48.940 exactly where i feel we are is we're in a position where the government is doing things to seem like

01:00:54.540 they're doing things because it might help because we do not want to be accused of doing nothing and

01:01:00.140 that's exactly where we are right so they're doubling down on the same things that have been

01:01:04.140 shown time and time again to not necessarily be effective right and if you take a look at the

01:01:09.820 science and there's a reason why we haven't been provided with the science is because a lot of it

01:01:14.140 is the opposite of what they've done right someone pointed out to me that the

01:01:21.360 World Health Organization guidelines for fitness was one meter distancing not

01:01:26.240 two not the three that we're under right now but one and no mask and so I was

01:01:33.320 like that is very odd and again I looked up another study that went over 200

01:01:37.300 other studies and sure as crap that data would support one meter distancing not

01:01:42.100 two not three uh but one meter right it's a diminishing returns right after three meters 0.94

01:01:48.280 you might as well be five kilometers away it doesn't matter you might as well be in a different

01:01:51.600 continent right um so yeah but anyways that's my take on the science that i've actually spent the

01:01:59.560 time working on yeah no i appreciate that like i said i pasted the link for those listening just

01:02:04.600 to the audio on the podcast i'm certain if you if you did a google um search and it's lockdown

01:02:09.220 report and it's it's with uh simon fraser university and it's a coveted lockdown cost

01:02:14.240 benefits a critical assessment by uh of the literature by douglas allen so uh look it up

01:02:19.920 there's a lot of great information packed in there um you know that that just matches with

01:02:25.960 what we've been been talking about so i'll let you guys get going back here to try and do what

01:02:31.640 you can with your businesses or your jobs and whatnot and just uh hopefully very soon you know

01:02:36.780 some common sense prevails i mean uh as i showed at the start of this show you know cases are still

01:02:42.220 rising but the the deaths are just actually very minimal which is good it's very good news hopefully

01:02:48.300 that trend keeps going and the pressure i mean the governments respond to pressure as we were saying

01:02:52.940 they're they're responding right now in a panicked way to try and lock things down just to look like

01:02:57.900 they're doing something hopefully if we can get more rational pressure pushing back at the government

01:03:02.540 say open up you're crushing us they will budge and move eventually we can just

01:03:06.860 start getting back to a reasonable normal world again

01:03:10.860 so thank you both for uh coming on with me is there anything you'd like to say

01:03:14.140 about your business there colin before you go or where to find you or what

01:03:16.540 you're up to uh well you can look us up back at the

01:03:19.820 fitness medicine cats um but yeah no we're just trying to make

01:03:23.740 it through man which like at this point um

01:03:27.820 you know my we have to make the decision on whether we're going to fully stick it

01:03:31.980 out or whatnot because like personally i can be okay with my other job right so i'm doing this for

01:03:37.660 my community right now um we kind of made a facebook post saying we may close our doors and

01:03:43.720 then we had about like 120 comments on that uh it was a very tearful uh tear-filled evening reading

01:03:51.480 those comments and what that gym actually meant to them uh so at this point we're absolutely 100%

01:03:57.640 just fighting for our community right because personally i can go do my other job and i can be

01:04:02.680 in the same position i am personally um without it right but it's important to be part of this

01:04:08.860 community right we've been told that time and time again so yeah no it's very personal people put

01:04:14.940 their heart and soul into their business you've got everything in it invested in we're not just

01:04:19.280 talking about money and uh it's just the the pressures and damage are unreal so i'm glad

01:04:25.260 people have been supportive of you and i really hope you know everything comes through and uh

01:04:29.000 we'll chat again and when we do it's when you're up and running again and uh everybody's coming

01:04:33.880 in and droves and signing up to get rid of that covet fat they built up from sitting around this

01:04:37.800 long yeah and uh rob with with your school as a you know people do uh hopefully we'll see i think

01:04:43.880 a hospitality sort of micro boom that'll take a while because but people will get back in i mean

01:04:48.800 we do need these businesses people want them boy there sure is certainly enough space to fill

01:04:54.240 So there will be opportunities if you're looking at the long game

01:04:56.980 and if people want to change.

01:04:58.100 I mean, bartending really has a lot of fun aspects to it,

01:05:01.260 those crazy hours.

01:05:02.380 So where can you find your business there?

01:05:04.660 So we're on the web, MetropolitanSchoolOfBartending.com.

01:05:08.620 We're also on Facebook, same handle.

01:05:11.140 And we take all the safety precautions.

01:05:12.940 We sanitize before and after every class.

01:05:14.880 We offer daytime class, evening classes, and weekend classes.

01:05:18.120 So lots of opportunities.

01:05:20.500 And then once this everything reopens,

01:05:22.760 we also offer mixology seminars and those are a ton of fun a ton of laughs you learn some stuff

01:05:28.440 you have a few drinks lots of laughs so hopefully we can start running those again and get people

01:05:32.920 out and and having a laugh i think now more than ever we need to just have a laugh and enjoy

01:05:37.480 ourselves and have a drink so i'm looking forward to everything reopening again and and supplying

01:05:43.720 our industry with very well trained new workers in hospitality great well thank you both for coming

01:05:50.920 on because i mean it's important just to get it out there get the other voices because people

01:05:54.280 don't understand you know it doesn't mean that they're being uh you know malignant or being

01:05:59.780 wanting to be cruel they just don't necessarily know they haven't been in that circumstance they

01:06:03.300 haven't owned a business um and maybe sometimes they're forgetting just the impacts that these

01:06:07.640 have uh they don't see it and the more they can hear from people and see that there really are

01:06:12.100 downstream impacts on people very serious ones through these restrictions and lockdowns it just

01:06:16.520 helps everybody get a bit more understanding we're not all just greedy monsters who want to reopen

01:06:20.720 and kill your grandma we're people who are suffering terribly uh under these restrictions

01:06:26.240 and we're at a point where we think we can safely carry these businesses on without uh 0.72

01:06:31.120 you know locking down further so i look forward to talking to you guys again and in better

01:06:35.360 circumstances i'm sure uh let's hope it'll be a better summer guys absolutely love to be back

01:06:39.840 thanks for having me cory have a great day thanks rob thanks colin

01:06:44.000 so yeah that was a good you know chat just to look and i mean that's just two out of

01:06:52.400 thousands and thousands of business owners little things we don't think about we don't remember 0.59

01:06:57.080 uh i had the last time i had a panel on with some other individuals and there was a lady who owned

01:07:01.780 a uh a dog kennel you know a pet hotel and of course their business is a terrible risk because

01:07:08.440 you know people aren't traveling they're putting their dogs up for boarding and uh again you say

01:07:13.800 well, that's not necessary. Well, no, but do we really want to get into a world where the only 0.99

01:07:19.380 things we're allowed to do are what is determined to be an absolute need? I mean, if you look at

01:07:24.060 the very basic needs we have, you know, it's food, shelter, water, and that's about it.

01:07:31.560 Yeah, we could exist with that, but what a life that would be. What a miserable,

01:07:36.380 pointless, sour existence. I mean, you might as well be a prisoner. All of these things combined 1.00

01:07:44.820 in our world, in our lives, those are needs. We need to get out. We need to socialize. We need to

01:07:51.540 enjoy different types of foods. We need to work out outside of our homes. We're not farmers and 0.53

01:07:57.040 ranchers anymore getting our exercise in the fields. Don't tell me what's a need and what's

01:08:02.040 not a need. We'll determine for ourselves what's essential and what's not

01:08:05.760 essential. The government can't determine a bloody thing at the best of times.

01:08:32.040 .

01:09:02.040 .

01:09:32.040 Okay, nothing ruins a good rant better than a computer crash in the middle of it.

01:10:00.880 thank you to you folks are still hanging in there. There's every reminder, I got to get some better

01:10:06.020 equipment here. And that's why we need sponsors and subscribers. So there's where I'll put my

01:10:10.860 plug in for the standard before I get back to ranting. You know, we don't take any tax funding.

01:10:16.560 Advertising revenue is coming in, but it's not as great as it used to be. If you want to get your

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01:10:29.240 the regular uh print edition of course the online edition all that uh subscribe to the youtube

01:10:35.000 subscribe to western standard online you know it keeps us stable and solid that reporting getting

01:10:40.700 people like nadine wellwood by the way i was talking before she went out for those who didn't

01:10:44.480 catch the first part of the show and interviewed ty northcott and uh chris scott you know ty's

01:10:51.340 getting charged this afternoon chris got arrested last weekend there's exclusive interviews on our

01:10:55.480 YouTube channel. So have a look at that. So getting back to that, talking with our businesses

01:11:01.520 again, though, and our owners, we need to humanize them. You know, we need to make people realize

01:11:07.780 there's people behind there. It's when you when you shut these things down, when you lock them

01:11:12.160 down, you there's a serious, serious cost to those individuals. And we got to look at that. So I

01:11:18.460 really appreciate that link to show that that cost benefit thing. So I'll go into a couple more news

01:11:24.060 items here as we're going. Things just to get some more steam out of me and ranting because

01:11:29.180 our freedoms are under threat all over the place. And here we go, Gabel. Warning that popular social

01:11:34.480 media accounts could face censorship because this is something that's sliding under the radar,

01:11:38.280 everybody. C10. You might have heard a bit of it in the news, but not nearly enough. C10,

01:11:43.500 that's the government trying to regulate the internet. They want the CRTC to take over the

01:11:48.960 internet. They keep giving us double speak. They keep saying it's not going to impact small

01:11:54.200 content producers. It's not going to impact individuals. BS. And we keep seeing that with

01:11:59.980 those quotes that slip out. It's those small producers, those small individuals are exactly

01:12:04.020 who the way that they want to go after. These are the individuals they want to shut up. These are

01:12:08.380 who the people that they want to gag. So stand up, call your MP, get them on this. You know,

01:12:14.200 O'Toole has been bloody well useless. I hate to say it as a federal leader, but there's an issue 0.98

01:12:18.780 he can sink his teeth into hopefully. This is a freedom issue. We got enough freedom issues as it

01:12:22.960 is with the pandemic going on and the government's crushing us all over the place and then to have

01:12:27.860 them going after our free speech while they're at it. Speaking of economic recovery, here's

01:12:33.360 something our provincial government can get on because Jason Kenney's certainly been having

01:12:36.380 trouble and treading water for some time. Here's a story from the standard regulatory quicksand

01:12:42.400 holds back clean tech in Alberta. Things like well reclamation, new energy generation projects,

01:12:49.600 things like that. People talk about it all the time, but they're still stuck under that gross,

01:12:53.840 horrible regulatory mess and mire that we have in our province and federal government.

01:13:00.460 Bureaucrats destroy business faster than anything else. The amount of approvals and processes and

01:13:04.880 time drags out. We're sitting on all these resources. We can't get them out of the ground.

01:13:09.000 We can't always just blame Justin Trudeau for it or the B.C. government or protesters because Alberta actually has got some terrible, terrible regulations and red tape here, too.

01:13:20.560 We actually have a ministry for cutting red tape run by Grant Hunter.

01:13:25.380 Not a bad guy, but I don't know if he's doing a really good job.

01:13:28.100 First thing you should do is get rid of his ministry.

01:13:30.060 How much more bureaucracy do we need?

01:13:31.440 But this is Alberta. So let's not forget, we're prone to having bad government as well and capable of it, even if you want to put a conservative label in front of it. Patricia here said to sign Pierre Polyev's petition regarding Bill C-10. It's on his page. Yeah, Pierre Polyev is the effective leader of the opposition. O'Toole is just the one who actually holds the title.

01:13:54.500 but Pierre has been 10 times the leader of that party that O'Toole has to date and I don't believe

01:14:00.600 Pierre has been supporting a carbon tax but unfortunately we are probably moving towards

01:14:05.500 a Trudeau majority this is a time again why we got to be working to entrench our rights learning

01:14:10.420 to stand up for ourselves you you think they're stepping on us now well a little Pierre Jr. there

01:14:16.560 gets a majority just imagine what he's going to do with us I hate to imagine what he's going to do

01:14:20.300 this. We got a pretty good idea. So it's been a lively discussion in the comment section. I knew

01:14:27.180 it would be, you know, again, there's a lot of points of views on the vaccinations, lockdowns,

01:14:32.220 whether the pandemic exists, whether it doesn't. Everybody, and I respect free speech, so get it

01:14:36.620 rolling. But if you start really getting vicious with each other on there, I'd rather, well, I'll

01:14:41.660 have to block some folks. I mean, I love watching the interaction between viewers and listeners as

01:14:45.420 we do these live shows, but please, you know, let's keep it somewhat civil. We don't have to

01:14:49.420 agree on there. Of course not. That's no fun, but you know, no, no, no really attacking each other

01:14:54.520 guys. Um, save it for Twitter. That's what that place is for. And rest assured if you want to

01:14:59.480 come after me, that's a great place where I'm more than happy to take it on a Corey B Morgan

01:15:04.500 on Twitter. So another aspect that does not get talked about nearly enough. Um, I'm going to be

01:15:10.920 cutting the show off bitterly today because I've got to drive for a few hours. I'm going to be

01:15:14.780 interviewing a doctor, a physician, you know, a medical practitioner, not,

01:15:20.780 you know, of the many other types of doctors and so on,

01:15:26.300 insists on full anonymity because this doctor has been

01:15:31.220 treating with ivermectin people apparently with

01:15:36.500 COVID-19 and is examining other alternative treatments.

01:15:39.500 Cause we're not talking about treatment, you know, and ivermectin, for example,

01:15:43.140 It's not a new drug. It's not one that doesn't get used on people. It's used on people all the time. It's just for parasite control. It's used in the veterinary business massively. It's not a dangerous drug. I mean, anything can be dangerous if you take too much of it or you do it wrong.

01:15:58.360 But we've got this strange polarized discussion where we don't even talk about treatment.

01:16:03.720 Apparently, everything with the pandemic comes down to either vaccination or dying.

01:16:08.740 Well, in between, there are a whole number of people who actually catch this and recover.

01:16:13.380 There are some who catch it and don't.

01:16:15.040 Some who do catch it and die.

01:16:16.440 Was there a treatment that could have saved them?

01:16:18.920 Can we look a little more into this?

01:16:20.540 I mean, we don't hear a lot about it.

01:16:22.020 And I don't know a lot about it, to be honest.

01:16:24.640 So talking to a practicing physician on this is going to be very enlightening.

01:16:30.320 And the scary thing is that this physician is fearful that they will lose their license if

01:16:35.360 it's found out that they're using an unapproved treatment for COVID. Now, not a dangerous

01:16:39.920 treatment. Again, we're not, you know, not injecting bleach or any insanity like that.

01:16:45.440 It's a known drug. Maybe it doesn't even do any good. I don't know, but it's not doing harm.

01:16:51.200 So why can't this be discussed? I think part of it is that it gets back to the, you know,

01:16:56.700 respect for other opinions. We got into such a polarized world last year with Trump and

01:17:00.400 everything else. And I'm not going to blame Trump. I'm going to blame the polarity. But Trump

01:17:05.480 actually spoke of alternative treatments in the early part of the pandemic. And immediately that

01:17:10.780 got the media and the academics and the left wing and everybody else screaming and piling on

01:17:14.960 and basically demonized any discussion of alternative treatments. Daniel Smith

01:17:19.980 for retweeting something got crapped all over when she was still with QR 77 because she retweeted

01:17:25.940 something that was talking about alternative treatment. Why? Shouldn't we be talking about

01:17:32.000 these things? I mean, if it's causing danger or harm, well, that's a problem. Absolutely. But

01:17:36.000 that's not the case. It wasn't the case. But was it just this overwhelming, massive hatred? And it

01:17:41.640 was hatred. And there's still a bunch of it. Of Trump is stopping people from looking, you know,

01:17:47.600 you can't, you don't have to like the guy, but sometimes something he said might've been right.

01:17:53.620 So don't dismiss it. If we've got things that increase the chances of people coming out of

01:17:59.880 COVID without consequences, let's look at them. So I'm going to drive out and I'm going to meet

01:18:05.240 with this doctor. And as I said, it's, yeah, the anonymity is critical. I mean, that's brutal. A

01:18:10.860 person shouldn't lose their license unless they're really crossing a line somewhere. And that's not

01:18:14.440 the case. So I'm going to be recording an interview with that doctor and I'll be writing

01:18:18.220 up on it. It'll be interesting to see what we learn and find out from that. Um, so keep

01:18:23.800 watching. And then, uh, tomorrow as well, we've got, uh, uh, Nathan Gita. He's been

01:18:28.120 doing those fantastic shows out of Prince George. Uh, it's called, uh, mountain standard

01:18:32.800 time. He's on between 10 and noon. He's on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays, Wednesday

01:18:38.120 at noon. I'll be jumping on with, uh, Derek and, uh, maybe Dave, you know, we do the pipeline

01:18:43.760 every Wednesday at noon. We chat and talk about the stories of the week. It's usually a fun chat,

01:18:48.160 about a half an hour. Make sure to turn in for that. If you can't catch these full episodes,

01:18:51.860 you know, search out the Pipeline or the Western Standard on any of your regular podcast sites. You

01:18:56.240 can download the audio and listen to this at your leisure. That's really been a growth area.

01:18:59.880 You know, speaking of Daniel Smith and talk radio, I mean, most of us know talk radio has

01:19:03.040 become pretty unlistenable these days. You can make a great substitute for that. Download these

01:19:08.000 shows, give it a listen in your spare time. You don't always have to catch them when they're live.

01:19:12.580 so make sure to get in on those. And yeah, feel free to contact me if there's any guests or

01:19:17.160 subject you want me to cover. There's always so much, but we want to remain focused. So I'm going

01:19:21.620 to be back with the full show on Friday at 10 o'clock. We'll see who we round up. And that's

01:19:28.160 enough for today. So thank you all for tuning in. I want to thank those guests again. The weather

01:19:33.660 looks good today. It's supposed to be a little rainy later, but eventually we will get into a

01:19:36.660 spring and summer. Hopefully it's legal for us to get outside and enjoy each other's company soon.

01:19:41.260 I will see you on Wednesday.

Western Standard - May 11, 2021

The Cory Morgan Show, May 10, 2021

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